10.Feb.2010 Pankey Tears Achilles; Beavers Become a Better Team

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Yes, I know it sounds ridiculous that an injury to a senior LB would make the Beavers a better team, but the reality is that Keith Pankey is so bad, that his departure from the squad makes the Beavers better. That is, of course, assuming the guys behind him are at least average, and they are.

Tony Wilson was having a fantastic spring last year before he suffered his own season-ending injury. Then there is the prize of this year’s class, Shaydon Akuna. Akuna will likely start in Pankey’s place. Why?

1. Riley has been getting more precocial talent the past few years. Therefore, he’s been starting guys more and more as freshman. See Markus Wheaton, Michael Phillip, James and Quizz, etc.

2. The alternatives are Robinson, Tony Wilson, or Keo Camat. Wilson will be a good player, and he’s the main challenge here. However, his skill set is more suited for middle linebacker.

3. Pankey started as a true freshman, and he was (and still is) a below average defender who wouldn’t start on any other Pac-10 squad, not even Washington State. If Riley was willing to put Pankey in that position, surely he will give Akuna every opportunity to win the job.

Of course, Riley will make it an open competition to dissuade complacency, but right now we’re likely going to see another 4-star gem starting as a freshman. Do you think Akuna was over-nighted the playbook? You never want to cheer an injury, but this one is a blessing in disguise and the type of divine intervention that makes me wonder if the Beavers are in for a big year.

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  • FreddyBeav says:
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    1. You forgot about one of the Unga bros. could take his place.

    2. This doesn’t make the team better at all. You may think he’s bad, but PAc-10 coaches disagree as he was named All Pac-10 Honorable Mention this year. He defeinetley made improvement from the 2008 season.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      1. I did forget them, partially because they’re forgettable players.

      2. He’s not even average. He’s a bad player. I don’t care if he was voted all-conference first team. Kristick had many accolades as well, and those who watched him closely knew he was just a good player, nothing more.

      • FreddyBeav says:
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        1. Hardly. They went from just coming back from a 2 year LDS mission to playing as true freshmen as back-up LBs.

        2. You’re saying you can tell who is a better football player better than college football coaches, which isn’t even close to true and just arrogant to think so. Pankey is better than “bad” pretty sad you can’t admit that.

      • angrybeaver says:
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        1. You’ll see what happens on the field if Ungas start.

        2. He is bad. You’ll see a better defense and more active LB corp if Akuna, Welch, Doctor, or Wilson take that job.

        Remember this convo and talk to me in the fall.

        • FreddyBeav says:
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          You think Akuna, Welch, or Docotor will do better based on what? Just HS tape? Wilson also hasn’t really played because of an ACL injury. Your statements just make no sense and really based on nothing substantial.

          Even if one of the Ungas brothers starts and doesn’t do well it doesn’t mean any of those you guys lsited would’ve done any better. Whoever wins the job will win because they’re the better player.

        • angrybeaver says:
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          “Whoever wins the job will win because they’re the better player”

          Was #28 a better player than Cam Collins? What about Hardin? He sure played better than Dockery.

          The coaches are on the record saying that the vocal/leader plays. That is not necessarily the best player. So…

          • FreddyBeav says:
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            No Hardin didn’t really play better than Dockery.

            “The coaches are on the record saying that the vocal/leader plays. That is not necessarily the best player. So…”

            When was this? I think you’re reffering to something about Hardin.

            http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindbeaversbeat/2009/10/oregon_state_cornerback_brando.html

            It doesn’t say anything about him not starting because he wasn’t vocal or any playing time for that matter. They just told him they’d like him to be more vocal and aggressive.

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            Where are they on record as having said this? Also, to your point above, where does it state that Robinson is a middle linebacker. He played outside linebacker against Arizona this year. The coaches are also on record as saying he could play all three.

            As for Tui and Collins or Hardin and Dockery, Hardin never replaced Dockery, he replaced Tim Clark and only because of injury and tooth issues. So I am not sure why you are comparing Dockery and Hardin.

            Tui did great in practice and sturggled in games. Had Collins done better than Tui in practice he would have started. The fact is that there was not much film on either of them and Collins had some struggles in the spring. As did the entire defense.

            Anyway, you can have your opinion on Pankey, lots of people share your opinion. It just is ironic that you end your blog post with “You never want to cheer an injury” and yet the whole article you cheer the loss of a player you call terrible.

            Good times.

            Enjoy your five minutes of fame, I won’t be reading this ever again.

          • angrybeaver says:
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            I’m not “comparing” Hardin to Dockery, but Hardin should have started over Dockery. He’s slightly better and faster. I don’t think Hardin let’s that slow Duck (can’t remember his name, Maehl?) get behind him in the Civil War.

            I don’t think Dockery is complete garbage, but Hardin is just better.

  • gotmilk says:
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    Wow dude, that is somebody’s kid.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      He’s a grown man, not a kid. He’s getting paid (via scholarship/opportunity cost). Let’s not treat these guys as if they’re 12 year old babies and innocent victim’s of my tongue lashing. This is college football, man, not pop warner.

      • gotmilk says:
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        well i have kids his age and if you spoke about them that way i would kick your ass. For all you know Pankey is trying his best, and starting as a freshamn shows to me he earned his scholarship.

        He is not a pro. These guys ain’t the steelers.

      • angrybeaver says:
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        In other words, you are biased/emotional about this subject.

        I never said Pankey didn’t try his best; I said his best is pretty bad. If he can’t take criticism he shouldn’t get on the field–that goes for any hobby or profession performed in front of people, including myself and this blog.

        • gotmilk says:
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          Not biased just see no reason to call out a college kid. Thats all, the coaches, A.D. are all fair game the indviduals who make up the team are not.

          • angrybeaver says:
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            What is this based on? You can’t criticize a player???

            Do you criticize other team’s players? What about when pundits on national television say that Tim Tebow doesn’t have NFL skills–is that okay?

            And on the flip side, is praise okay? Your philosophy is that you can say good things about a player but not bad?

            Maybe a light will go on after seeing such absurdity in print.

        • BeavGirl says:
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          I don’t see why this is such a “mean” post. Pankey’s injury allows a better player to play. I could be wrong but i don’t think Angry is saying he’s “glad” he got injured–just that this injury is providing opportunities for better players.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Precocious indeed: http://gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/article_c660aefc-1677-11df-9100-001cc4c03286.html

    The fact that Riley has recruited several players with enough speed and ability to form a small track team is indicative of OSU’s progress. Read the article and think about how long since OSU had enough young men in track to do that.

    I hope one of the young lb’s really gets a chance this spring and fall. Akuna obviously, but if Doctor shows the ability this spring, maybe he’ll get the chance.

    I have to agree Pankey has always seemed overrated to me, and I’ve never understood why he gets so much playing time. I think the Unga brothers seem similarly overrated. In both cases its like people are talking them up because people talk them up, not because of extraordinary play.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Beaver fans like to talk them up because they’re all effort/blue collar guys who are “good stories”. Forgot about Doctor, too. Between Doctor, Akuna, and Welch…one of them should take the job. All are more talented than the current crop, which is a good thing–shows progress in recruiting.

  • jacobbeam says:
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    Have to disagree. I actually enjoy the open discussion here normally, I just think you are reaching a bit here, maybe trying to make a splash. Pankey is not great, but I trust that the coaches play him because he is the best option – maybe some combination of skill/expierence/leadership.

    I doubt you have an inside endge or any special football knowledge that would grant you the ability to make qualifying statements about a players ability. I don’t know how to quantify whether he is below average or not, but to write it as if it was a given truth and not just your opinion is a little strange.

    I do agree that these are men, and having their abilities complimented or shredded is part of their choice.

    • BeavGirl says:
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      “but to write it as if it was a given truth and not just your opinion is a little strange.”

      Angrybeavers: A Cynical VIEW of Oregon State Athletics

  • FreddyBeav says:
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    also a correction wheaton wasn’t really a starter. He started 1 game as a true freshmen and that was it.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Semantics really. He started as a freshman, but yes, it was one game.

  • JackBeav says:
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    I also think Pankey was overrated to start the season. But the last two games of the season he FINALLY started taking good angles and making sure tackles. I don’t know why he was given as much opportunity as he was in the past, but he was. He is a natural leader, so maybe that gets him on the field. But it didn’t happen that way for Gundy… did it? Would anyone question this post if it was about an unproven Moevao being better than an in-system Gundy?

    I think when you face a direct statement you shouldn’t read emotion into it. I believe angry thinks Pankey’s a good kid just by virtue of him being in the OSU system and all that system requires in camaraderie. But that doesn’t save him from being scrutinized for his on-field play. Let’s face it. He has been known to take some terrible angles and miss some flailing arm tackles. Until very late in this past season he was playing to the same level he was as a true frosh. Where does that put his learning curve?

    I got news for you all. Doctor, Welch, Bibbee and especially Akuna all play well above that level–and Storey did as well his junior year in HS.

    What happens to all the ‘Fire Riley’ fans at the beginning of every season? Are they forgiven their manic depression because they’re on the bandwagon at the end of the year?

    I was at my brother’s home last week, and I tried an experiment. Since he’s a rabid Beavs fan, I threw out the statement, “McCants is too good a back to be on the bench next year.”

    The conversation ended with a stare that read, “I hope your insanity is not contagious” and a quick “No.”

    The point is that reality doesn’t make bad people out of bad football. It makes bad football out of bad football.

    For the record, I think Uani Unga is a fine OLB who will vie for time with Akuna next year, but he’ll most likely lose the starting position. Both he and Feti were outstanding on special teams, but Feti was a step slow and easily knocked off his line as a LB. Uani showed he could hit gaps with good angles and force the action inside. Maybe everyone raves about these two because they’re comparing them to Pankey, Kristick and Robinson. We’ve had much better LB’s in the past, so it’s no surprise that there might be better in the future. Is there?

    *And Will Storey reminds me so much of Tony Wilson when he was at Sprague it’s scary. They even have the same long stride with a forward lean. Both were phenomenal LB’s in high school, and I have no doubt they can be at OSU also.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Good post. I’ll agree with all points except Unga. He’s an “effort” LB, but not necessarily a good one.

      Derrick Doggett and Joey Larocque were the last outstanding LBs to come through the system. Roberson is good, but not that level. Kristick was average to good, but a bonehead and highly inflated by the OSU media. Everyone else is not worth mentioning in the same discussion since they are/were average to below average.

      • FreddyBeav says:
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        Think it’s a bit early to tell if Unga is going to be a good since he was just a true freshmen coming off an LDS mission.

        “Kristick was average to good, but a bonehead and highly inflated by the OSU media”

        Showing more arrogance by thinking you know more than Pac-10 college coaches. He definetley a good LB and the recgonition he got for it was well deserved. Although he did do some bondheaded things in the USC game that were very costly. It was his INT in the UW that gave OSU the momentum and led to a TD.

      • JackBeav says:
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        Hey! I happen to think Bubba is pretty good and getting better.

    • FreddyBeav says:
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      “I got news for you all. Doctor, Welch, Bibbee and especially Akuna all play well above that level–and Storey did as well his junior year in HS.”

      This is based on what? Just HS tape? It’s way too early to say that any of those guys play above the level that Pankey before they even have 1 practice at the college level. It’s just arrogant to say otherwise.

      • JackBeav says:
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        Pankey didn’t play above the level of his HS tape until late this year. Why would I expect HS tapes that are leaps and bounds better to be lesser just because it’s college?

        • FreddyBeav says:
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          Because the college level of play is a lot higher than that of HS. Some players adapt to it well and some don’t. Pankey wasn’t one of those guys who did adapt to it that the most probably would;ve liked. If everybody played to the level they did in HS right away then there would be a lot more people playing as true freshmen and just becoming super stars right away.

        • FreddyBeav says:
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          It’d also mean that alot more of the highly rated recruits from the recruiting sites wouldn’t have much trouble adjusting to the college leve, which just isn’t true. If Bryce Brown or Darell Scott or Matt Barkley were as good as their tape looked then they would’ve had a huge impact right away and they would’ve just dominated right away, but they didn’t.

        • JackBeav says:
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          Now now…

          There are many things to consider… like measurables, level of competition and position played. I know Storey would have been a three and maybe a four star if he would have stayed at LB instead of QB… and sent tape out. But he still needs size.

  • angrybeaver says:
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    Oh, and one other thing: I like Pankey, the man. Good dude. I believe he majored in forestry, which is similar to my own profession.

  • beavfan4 says:
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    Regardless of how good pankey was its a good thing we get some young talent in there. And frankly, pankey seemed really undersized for a pac 10 linebacker and same with kristick. Im not sure if you noticed freddybeav but kristick was the one that was TRUCKED by blount in the civil war game (not a very all conference play). I like bubba, he made little mistakes in his first year starting and was really and upgrade from the last MLB. And i dont like akuna just because his film is great, I like him because he already has the size, speed and strength a pac-10 linebacker and doctor, bibbee, and welch will be in the same boat in atleast a year probably earlier where as pankey played 3 years and still isnt a pac-10 linebacker.

    • FreddyBeav says:
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      So one play defines his performance of the whole season?

      Colt Mccoy didn’t play very well for an entire game against Neb. and he still got a lot of awards.

      • angrybeaver says:
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        Can we get to the heart of the matter from your perspective?

        1. Why are you sticking up for Pankey, and would you stick up for him this much if he were on a different team?

        2. Can you think of 5 outstanding/all-conference plays that Pankey has made in his 3 years here?

        3. Can you think of 3 good plays Pankey has made?

        Because for the greats, I can think of plenty. And even for the really good (Doggett’s INT in the Civil War, etc) I can think of a handful. Every memory of Keith Pankey is him flailing at a guy 10 yards downfield, occasionally tackling someone, and tacking atrocious angles at running backs/getting bowled over.

        So, take off the oranges glasses, get your head out of your a**, and talk about the reality that IS rather than what you want Pankey to be.

        • FreddyBeav says:
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          1. I don’t think you or I would care if he was on another team so that’s pretty irrelevant. I’m not even trying to defend him I’m just saying it’s completley ridiculous to assume some true freshmen are going to be better right away before they even have 1 practice at the college level.

          I’m not saying he’s great. Obviously he’s a back-up for a reason and lost his starting job for a reason, but I also know he’s not a bad player and got recgonition from Pac-10 coaches for a reason as well.

          “Every memory of Keith Pankey is him flailing at a guy 10 yards downfield, occasionally tackling someone, and tacking atrocious angles at running backs/getting bowled over.”

          As BeavGirl pointed out this is a cynical view of OSU athletics so it’s no suprise that this is what you post as your memories of him.

          “…get your head out of your a**, and talk about the reality…”

          This is obviously some advise you should follow yourself.

        • angrybeaver says:
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          “I’m just saying it’s completley ridiculous to assume some true freshmen are going to be better right away before they even have 1 practice at the college level.”

          Is it? Because last year we all assumed this exact thing with Michael Phillip, and it turned true. Experience means very little compared to talent. Think of a guitarist who’s played poorly for 30 years vs a musical prodigy. Some people are just naturally superior, and the bevy of LBs we’re discussing (Welch, Akuna, Doctor) trump Pankey.

          How do I know? I don’t, but I have a really great hunch after watching Keith for 3 years.

          • FreddyBeav says:
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            Phillipp was once case where that was true, but that was just one case. That doesn’t mean it’s going to be the norm.

            Just to get my point across. I’m not saying that none of those guys you’ve listed won’t be better than Pankey when it’s all said and done. I just don’t think that it’s going to be that way right away.

          • angrybeaver says:
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            Phillip wasn’t a one time case. Quiz did the same thing. James, too, though he was a little less effective. There are plenty of true freshmen who excel in this conference.

            Anyway, you can have you opinion. I apologize for being a prick. I expect an apology if Akuna, Welch, or Doctor is starting (and playing better than Pankey) come September.

          • FreddyBeav says:
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            I wasn’t even saying true freshmen don’t make an impact. Obviously the Rodgers bros. prove otherwise. I’m just saying that just assuming a true freshmen is going to do really well right away probably won’t hapen.

            Definetley hope whoever starts in place of him, and bye the way it sounds like he might still be able to be ready be the beginning of the season but he’ll have to really dedicate himself to his rehab, does a great job. Pankey still has a redshirt to use so he’s still going to play for OSU the question is just when. It’d also be nice to be able to redshirt all the true freshmen LBs as well.

        • FreddyBeav says:
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          Seriously though you shouldn’t complain about posters that you think aren’t realistic when the title of your blog points out that it’s not going to be realistic.

          • angrybeaver says:
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            Cynicism is many times realistic, so I’m not sure why you made the deduction that you did.

          • FreddyBeav says:
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            I mean cynanicism in the kind pessimistic negative side to it. That isn’t realistic.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      +1, Beavfan4

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT Angry, but if your profession is close to forestry, what is it? I received my wildlife science degree from OSU.

  • OSBeavs says:
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    I do not necessarily cheer on an injury but I agree with Angry about possible improvement at the LB position without Pankey. After three years I think we have seen most of what Pankey can provide, if he had a flash of brilliance he would have already shown it. Akuna, Welch, Doctor and Uani all provide a fresh look (I like Uani from what I have seen, he has nice angles). I think an open competition would force the cream to rise to the top. It is a pretty nice situation that we have where the coaches can pick the best of four players for a single position. I do believe that whoever takes the spot will show growing pains in the early part of the season but will look great the at the end.

    As far as Pankey returning this season from the achilles tendon rupture, I think that is a terrible idea. That is an injury that takes a very long time to heal. The injury could potentially be a place for soreness all season if it does not heal correctly. It might delay his entrance to fall camp leaving him without valuable time in pads to get in playing shape. Finally, think about all of the time he will miss in the weight room and speed training. He may be able to do upper body work but we all know that the heart of a linebacker is in hip movement/explosion and footwork. His body will at best be where it was at the end of this recent season and retarded a few seasons of growth at worse.

  • JackBeav says:
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    We can also look at it this way…

    This injury may be a blessing for Pankey. I’m hoping he’s finally turned the corner. I think he played well in the Civil War. I was actually surprised to hear his name called as much as it was. But he still let James and Masoli escape from their own backfield a couple times. My brain hurts when I think that Miller, Pankey and Kristick all had hands on James or Masoli in the backfield and still let them get away. That’s probably the one thing that will put Akuna in the starting spot. He has extremely strong hands and will not let go of future rag dolls like James.

    But I digress.

    The reason this injury may be a blessing for Pankey is that he never did get a red shirt season. He’s still undersized, and that probably lends to his lack of development more than anything. He can take a year to enjoy being a student and learning the system that much more… all the while putting on another 10-15 pounds.

    Maybe he becomes something none of us ever believed he would be… an NFL prospect. More likely he gets to be a kid for once. He can still lead from the practice squad. It’s not uncommon at OSU. The one thing that is for sure is that he’s high quality off the field. And I don’t mind a scholarship being taken by a leader of his quality even if that’s all he does from here on out. He can only provide good direction for the younger kids.

    I just don’t think returning within a year of an achilles rupture is very smart. I can understand the wont, but there’s only so much rehab that can be done while laid up. He should go ahead and graduate if he’s on schedule then come back in 2011 as a post bacc to finish out his career with reckless abandon.

    Besides… I think next year might be pretty good, but I think 2011 is going to be a special year. He might want to stick around for that season if nothing else.

    • OSBeavs says:
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      Where does the “high quality” come from? I would tend to disagree on this athlete. I am personally ready to move on.

    • JackBeav says:
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      Let’s read the comment above to see what it might say.

      “…he’s high quality off the field.”

      Hmmm…. Maybe that’s where it comes from.

      ?

      • OSBeavs says:
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        That is what I am talking about. I would disagree with his high quality character off the field. I think he is a bit of an ass with an unfounded arrogance.

      • JackBeav says:
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        That might be your personal association with him. I can’t speak to his personality. I can only speak to his actions.

        Hell… I’m a bit of an ass with an unfounded arrogance… and my wife would sometimes call me humble.

        • OSBeavs says:
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          I suppose that can be. I guess the fact that I know a solid chunk of the football team skews me opinion of some of them. There are a handful of players that I don’t like because they are jerks to those around them. Keith is one of those that falls into that category.

        • JackBeav says:
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          I’m not saying he’s perfect by any means. I would expect him to be at least somewhat guarded and seemingly stand-offish due to his early HS experiences.

          angry might know more about this since it’s in his neck of the woods. The new Burbank super of schools is under fire for the method of his hire as well as his handling of the Pankey case.

          • OSBeavs says:
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            I know what you are talking about. I would say that the things I don’t like about him are not related to him being standoffish. I also knew his twin brother Kevin. Kevin was a very different individual, very cool actually. It is more just about Keith being Keith.

          • JackBeav says:
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            Some people just are who they are.

            I had problems in HS because I was so aggressive on the court and in academics but extremely shy socially. I found out years later that people thought I was a snob when in fact I was just afraid of social situations.

            I can still seem abrasive because I lived a nerd’s life outside athletics. I survived my teen years because of Monty Python, DOS programming, ATARI, ColecoVision, fishing, running and basketball.

            I learned to socialize from those who are direct, competitive, dry and sardonic.

            Look where that got me. 🙂

  • angrybeaver says:
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    Isn’t it nice to be able to make this type of comment?

    Jack, you (and I) would have been banned from every other Beaver forum for our comments, and if/when Akuna outshines Pankey, they wouldn’t reinstate us.

    • JackBeav says:
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      Eh… That’s probably why I wouldn’t be good on those sites… especially the pay sites. I’m sure there are good people on them. But I don’t get the pay aspect.

      Why would I pay premium for a car that I can’t drive fast? Why promise track access if I can only follow the pace car?

  • JackBeav says:
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    Well, I can understand the shock of reading the post from some who think being a fan means you never put a bag over your head.

    How happy do we think ‘Aints fans are now?

    I think the best analogy is getting fired from a job. In trying to rationalize it people make it personal emotionally when sometimes it’s just business. It just happens. When my kids grow up and maybe get fired, I’m not going to get all blustery and threaten to rack the middle manager who makes the decision.

    But I also understand what Freddy is talking about. And he may be correct. I think what he’s saying is that Akuna may be Wheaton four-star and not Philipp four-star. It’s actually a safe assumption in a MR system.

    But WR is harder to learn than OL. And OL is harder to learn (well… adjust) than LB.

    I think that even if Akuna gets Wheaton opportunity to start the year he’s starting by the fourth or fifth game.

    The point of this post is that he’s now pretty much guaranteed to get that look, and now so is at least one other… probably Doctor.

    And I don’t think Akuna will start at OLB and get only 12 solo tackles his soph year… in 13 starts. That would be ridiculous. Wouldn’t it?

    I think a lot of things went into Pankey being where he is. He’s a smart kid with obvious skills, but he’s stuck in a SS body. He’s not strong enough to plow through blocks or hold his line against oncoming blockers.

    He drops coverage very well, but that only proves that he might have been a better safety than LB. Maybe we’re missing the real story here. Maybe our coaches incorrectly projected him into a position he was not suited to play at this level.

    I hear the same questions about maybe Akuna going to SS, and he would probably be great there too. But he will easily put on 20 pounds and retain what is just massively stupid strength. Remember when you’re watching him bench 400 pounds that he’s 6’3″.

  • ean says:
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    Akuna redshirts or sees minimal time and AngryBeav is a moron.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Looks like I offended this particular Pankey fan.

    • JackBeav says:
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      Akuna might red shirt. That’s been proposed as an option already.

      But if he sees the field he won’t be leaving any time soon. He’ll be seeing it because he’s just too good to red shirt.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Pretty much. It has the same feel as Phillip last year, doesn’t it?

  • JackBeav says:
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    Here’s an interesting write-up from Kerry Eggers:
    http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=126595743237878600

    Note three things…

    1. Riley’s–and by extension the staff’s–assessment of the RB recruits. It makes me wonder why we were so late to offer Ward even a gray shirt opportunity. Imagine… the OSU coaching staff thinks a true frosh will step in and back up an All-American over in-system backs… two seasons from now. Let’s write them letters and call them stupid.

    2. Page 2 tells us that Keith Pankey is suddenly the same size as his brother Kevin. If he were that size he wouldn’t have to take poor angles to avoid chips and punches. He could just blow them up. I seriously doubt he’s grown 3″ and 25# in the last six weeks.

    3. Gabe Miller not only gets another spring and fall at the DE position. He gets another year of conditioning away from two devastating injuries. Achilles injuries are like MCL/ACL injuries in that the athlete is unsure of his capabilities after rehab. It swallows more than a year for even the most dedicated hoopster in the NBA when conditioning and psyche are considered on top of rehab. Imagine what two injuries does to the psyche.

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Gabe Miller played great last year. He was probably one of the top two DEs we had. I’m not worried about him at all.

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        Agreed on Lagrone as well. He blew up Cincy’s OL and held his own versus conference foes. Every so often he wound up in the backfield. I like both DEs if they remain healthy. Henry will come on as a 3rd down specialist this year. We saw glimpses of that last season.

    • JackBeav says:
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      I’m not worried either. I love the progress he made in just one year of transition to the DE. I’m saying I wouldn’t be surprised to see him become a top flight DE. I think the injuries made him hold himself back. Now that he knows what he can do and conditions specifically for the DE he could be a wonderful surprise to start next year.

      I think LaGrone does the same. Some of his inside power moves looked like he could be a good DT as well.

      Seumalo is a genius in my book. Taking a WR and putting him on a NFL practice squad as a DE was impressive in itself. I

  • JackBeav says:
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    And here’s another story near to my heart:
    http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=126595606487571700

    OSU’s very rich track and field history is coming out of the woodwork like a fairy tale.

  • moz says:
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    Frankly, Mr Pankey, this position you’ve held
    it pays your way and it corrodes your soul
    I want you to leave we will not miss you
    I want you to go down in beaver history

  • subjective beaver fan says:
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    Your enjoyment over the injury of one of our players is just disgusting. I am fully aware of who you are and what your goal is. I hope you are just trying to get a rise out of people, and that you don’t actually believe what you write. I find it funny that you write so that what you say is perceived as fact and not the poorly informed opinion that it really is.

    A couple other notes that don’t make sense. You think Wilson is the leader to take over Pankey’s position??? Wilson is an Middle Linebacker, he will never play on the outside for the Beavers. Keo Camat may be the starter during the spring but he will get surpassed by the young guys very quickly. Robinson and the Unga’s will get the first shot and don’t count out Michael Doctor who you only mentioned once. I like Akuna’s potential, but I highly doubt that he will come in during the fall and start. Riley only plays true freshman when there is an absolute need at the position. We are stacked at LB so unless Akuna comes in as a world beater, which he may well do, it is more likely that we redshirt him.

    Do you attend practices regularly? If you do then I would be up for a friendly chat during one of them. I always enjoy a good discussion. It would also help put a face to this cowardly blog.

  • terryjrh says:
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    wow, do you really have any idea on what you are blogging about? Have you been to any games or practices? Well I have been to all of them and I can say without a doubt Pankey is a beast! I have played football most of my life and unlike you I understand the game. You are wrong in your observation and you have been in many of your posts. I am starting to assume you are a Duck fan or UofO alumni by your approach towards OSU athletics. I am an OSU alumni and avid fan. I can say without a doubt you are an embarrassment to OSU fans everywhere if in fact you are a fan, there is no room for people like you in Beaver Nation and if you think I am the only person who feels this way you are dead wrong. I will never visit this site again and if you want real educated OSU athletic conversation then go to http://www.beaverblitz.com

    • angrybeaver says:
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      Pankey has girly arms, hardly a beast. He also gets bowled over and takes bad angles. Those are facts, easily observable with a set of organs we call “eyes”…open them.

    • BeavGirl says:
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      “I will never visit this site again and if you want real educated OSU athletic conversation then go to http://www.beaverblitz.com

      haha okay slater. nobody cares about your shitty opinions here

  • BeavFan says:
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    Well, I can admit that I agree with you on one point. Pankey isn’t anything more than a serviceable linebacker. I’ve never been a big fan and don’t see what the coaches see, but I have to believe his is in the game for a reason. We must have nothing else behind him that can play the position any better. If that is the case, then having him hurt is actually a bad thing. It is hilarious to suggest that a true freshman is going to come in and play the position any better. That’s a pipe dream and you know it. We’ll have to find out how the backups do during spring and summe camp. Maybe they’ll rise to the occasion like former Beavers have when given an opportunity like this. Still, can’t join you in celebrating a players injury like this…

  • JackBeav says:
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    Who the hell is celebrating an injury?

    What kind of sick mind even projects enjoyment onto a blog post which carefully states no such enjoyment several times over?

    I went to beaverblitz.com since the link was provided. Except for the blah blah AP reports and links to actual news sites I already have I see nothing but someone begging for my money.

    So I go to BBall Recruiting on the site to see if they know even a hint of hoops. Devon Collier is rated a three-star. The 2010 targets are a hodge-podge of names that have little to do with Beavs hoops. The real targets for 2010 are nowhere to be found. The articles are way out of date… in the middle of basketball season. And the headline article has nothing to do with hoops.

    So since I know they not only know nothing about Beavs hoops, but they also don’t care… tell me why I should spend my money to read what I can only expect to be equally ignorant and apathetic?

    • angrybeaver says:
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      You should see their baseball coverage, it’s even worse.

      • Kelly Pankey says:
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        Poor little angry beavlet. You’re one of those people who are jealous of other people’s success. You never made it and you’re angry about it. We’ve fought fights like this before, so your crappy words mean little to me. People like you hide behind screen names because you’re too cowardly to identify yourself. You’re nothing but a turd who spews horrible things about other people. Your inference that Keith’s injury is a good thing proves my point. What a nasty little being you are. Someday you’ll be riding a coattail saying “I know him personally. We’re great friends.” Here’s my email, I’m not afraid to identify myself! pankey75@aol.com

        • JackBeav says:
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          I want to take this opportunity to educate the red-necked Blitz fans once again about committing illegal acts on this and other blogs. It is highly illegal to represent yourself as someone else whether it be expressly by name or indirectly–hijacking a handle for any reason. It is also very unwise if not an invasion of privacy to post someone’s personal information on some random blog.

          While I don’t doubt that Mrs. Pankey would be taken aback by the tone of the original post, I do not believe for a second that she would read joy between the many lines of this thread praising Keith personally and many times lamenting injury both specifically and generally.

          It would be highly unfortunate if one of you interlopers not only invaded her privacy, but decided to do it in a manner which portrayed her as both highly unwise and unable to comprehend the written word.

      • angrybeaver says:
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        I assume you’re his mother, Kelly Pankey? I hope you weren’t born in 1975 as your aol names suggests? In that case you had Keith when you were…13 and any life lecture becomes invalid due to your poor choices.

        But, assuming that’s not the case, I “never made it” as what exactly? Sure, I wanted to be a rock star when I was 21 and president when I was 8, but I think that’s every male in this country.

        It hurts having to think of someone close to you not being that great at what they do. Sorry that this blog is making you deal with those emotions. Didn’t come after you or Keith, but simply stated that the players behind him are better. That reality and the pain that comes with it is something for you to deal with and has nothing to do with me.

    • JackBeav says:
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      Wow!

      It’s a good resource if you want to know the final top 25 rankings of the 2007 NCAA baseball season.

  • OSUing says:
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    Angry Beav, I don’t disagree with much of what you posted. I think it sounded insensitive at times, but you are right these are not 12 year old boys playing Pop Warner. Maybe a different choice of words at times and you don’t get slammed.

    That said, here‘s the way I see it. I too believe we have better players at the LB spot then Pankey. I thought Roberson was getting cheated out’a reps with the rotation. I hate to see a young man get hurt and lose his spot.

    I think Akuna is a good get for us, but give me a break. His highlight was filled with a bunch of arm whips to the ground. I can assure you he needs a least a year to learn how to tackle. He pulls that crap in practice and Newhouse pulls his ass out. The kid is strong, but he can not bench 400 pds! I graduated HS in 87, I pressed 315pds, clean. If I had a spot like the one he got from his coach, I could have done close to 400pds. That was the silliest display of a max BP I have ever seen. Akuna is strong, does not know how to tackle and needs time with Newhouse.

    KK is a very LB, he needed to put on more weight. KK has amazing instincts, but lacks size. From what O heard he wasn’t one to put in much time in the weight room until his Sr. year. I think he goes undrafted and plays in the NFL as a long term special teamer and 3rd string LB.

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