03.Jan.2011 Quizz is Staying; Quizz is Going…

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Nobody knows, but one thing we know for sure is that Quizz is a drama queen who likes to toy with the fan base. His behavior reminds me of Brett Favre, who needed constant reinforcement, love, praise, etc from fans and media alike for him to return from retirement time and time again. What these men both have in common is size. Is this need for love "short man syndrome"? I do not know.

If Quizz leaves, the team takes a hit. No doubt about that. An average running back sauntering behind this year's brutal offensive line would probably go for 700 yards and 5tds. He creates yardage on his own. On the flip side, Riley is on the record saying he's playing the same offensive linemen next year, so unless an underclassman blows the coaches away in camp, it's the status quo. In such light, one would expect and encourage Quizz to leave for the NFL and completely understand the decision. If I were him, I would not take another 350 hits unless my coach and teammates were more both willing and able to support and surround me with the talent necessary to maintain my goals, body, health, and labor value.

Quizz leaving for the NFL brings up another interesting point. Would the odds of him leaving be diminished had he shared carries with McCant's over the past three seasons? I cannot say, but logic tells me the answer is yes. Being a running back, he knows the average carries one can take in a career and maintain production. This highlights once again the stupidity of Mike Riley's one back system. For those who rationalize it (i.e. to reduce their inner tension, also known as cognitive dissonance), try to come to grips with the fact that Riley might just lose his best player, and your favorite Beaver, because of it.

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  • angry angry says:
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    By the way, the consensus rumor is that he is leaving and will be drafted somewhere in the 3rd-4th round, and this will break within a day.

    I’m sure a lot of this has to do with his kid, but I’m also sure a lot has to do with his offensive line and the system as a whole.

    • mw2 says:
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      From what I’ve seen, Jacquizz is predicted to be a low 1st rounder to 2nd rounder because of his ability to catch and a move by the NFL toward smaller, more compact RBs.

  • Warren says:
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    Any chance we say any freshmen get PT next year? I think Woods has a shot.

  • mw2 says:
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    Shane Vereen is entering the NFL draft and Jacquizz is better than him.

    I would not be surprised if Jacquizz left for the NFL.

    If he does go, Riley MUST give Terron Ward and Storm Woods an equal shot to compete for the starting spot and not just play McCants and/or Stevenson out of seniority.

    A time-share of Ward and Woods would give OSU the best chance to replace the production of Jacquizz. Besides, with all of our WRs who needs a premier RB… right?

  • ean says:
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    He probably should leave. I don’t really see him improving his draft stock any. Then again Locker and Lamike came back so maybe Quizz just likes being in college like them. James Rodgers is pretty much going to have to come back which is great for OSU if he is fully recovered by then. Quizz will be a solid 10-15 carry back in the NFL.

    Also I agree we need to run multiple backs and have always agreed a multiple back system is better than a 1 back system but a lot of it is personnel. I mean McCants wasn’t good and he couldn’t hold on to the ball. A tired Quizz going for touch no. 30 is better than an amped up fresh McCants. Hopefully with Ward, the two Malcoms, and Woods we can get two guys to share the rock. I don’t hear anyone questioning Chip Kelly for giving LaMike 30+ carries in Barner’s absence. Kelly plays the best back. Sometimes the best back is LaMike going for carry No. 30, sometimes it is a fresh Alston but he primarily ran a single back offense when Barner went down. So I don’t think it is as cut and dry as you want to make it.

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      I don’t understand your point. You say Oregon uses one back, then say sometimes they use Barner and Alston. Barner and Alston had 143 carries and 11 touchdowns between them. James had 281 carries.

      Anyway, Oregon never uses 1 back. You can’t find a game where they do. So I just don’t understand your point.

      Quiz had 98% of carries (234/240). McCants and Jenkins combined for 6 carries the entire year.

      I’m not counting WR or QB carries for each team, but if you want those stats, James Rodgers, Wheaton, and Katz had 106 carries for 477 yards and 4tds. The Ducks’ Thomas, Huff, Costa, Reed, Hawkins, and Clay combined for 1112 yards and 10tds.

      One team is in the title game, another is on the couch. Enough said?

  • angry angry says:
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    It’s extremely difficult to argue that it’s smart to give one running back the ball 98% of the time. I’d say that argument is futile and would be disproven in seconds with a few simple database queries of school records versus RB workload.

    • Warren says:
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      Maybe since we have some talented RB’s Riley will spread it out and not leave it to one guy. I mean, our depth was a walk-on and a butterfinger. I’d contribute it more to the lack of good RB recruiting up until the past year or so.

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        I agree with Warren. Bottom line is a tired Quizz is better than the No. 2 guy. I wish we had a better back-up because then this would be a real argument. Might as well just pass more to minimize the load on Quizz then hand it off to the guy that is going to get dropped for a loss. If you want to get angry get mad at the recruiting.

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    Today Quizz was tweeting about the first day of classes. If it was me, I wouldn’t attend the first day of class if i knew i was leaving. 🙂 Just tossing that out there, fwiw.

    If he does bail maybe he knows something about James Rodgers’ injury and his chances of playing again.

    I wish him the best regardless.

    • ean says:
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      Wouldn’t surprise me if James is done for. He had to have multiple surgeries and said he tore multiple ligaments. Of course with his work ethic it wouldn’t surprise me to see him back near full force either. But some guys never play again after that severe of a knee surgery.

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        Yeah,wasnt there an article from Cliff or someone kind of hinting that it was not a given that James would be ready to compete in September. Apparently, very serious ligament damage.
        I agree with Angry, I dont get the one back deal either. Kind of hurts recruiting, right? The only thing I would say in Rileys defense from a game managment standpoint is that it is hard to give up that other worldly ball security that Quizz possesses. The Beavs have had a slim margin of error lately and a fumble hear or there and you get a different result.

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          Agreed, his fumbling record (0) is astounding. I don’t consider that BYU play a fumble…nobody does really.

          The question needs to be asked: why recruit McCants? That’s an out of state kid. Meaning $80,000 in scholarship funds. For what? 4 carries? Again, the waste in this program…

          Smart plan: Make McCants a LB, sure could have used him there, and emergency RB. It beats the hell of an out of state guy riding the pine sucking up resources. This is called “opportunity cost” in economics, and can be a big source of loss/waste.

          An $80,000 backup plan for 4 carries? Seriously?

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            I am surprised McCants has stayed unless he had decided that he is just in it for the education at this point. Before Quizz appeared McCants was going to be the second coming of Steven Jackson. I do not see why he could not get 5-7 carries a game next year unless he starts fumbling. He probably should have cut his loses and gone to a 1aa school when he had a chance.

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    If I were Quizz, I’d stay.

    Despite what the so-called “experts” say, I think Quizz has a chance to improve his NFL stock significantly by playing better next season. He also has a chance to greatly enhance his legacy at OSU, in the PAC 10/12, and in the NCAA record books. And he could graduate from college with a degree, and with his brother and best friend, James Rodgers.

    Perhaps Quizz has family and personal pressures (including but not limited to financial pressures) that require him to jump to the NFL now. If Quizz goes, I wish him the best. But unless there are hidden factors at work here (see the first sentence in this paragraph), I think the smarter move by Quizz would be to come back for his fourth and final season at OSU. I guess we’ll find out soon enough….

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      Well, he has a kid (though, for whatever reason the media has kept this hush hush)…so that’s a big reason to leave.

      If I were him I’d take out a million dollar insurance policy and return. The cost/benefit is greatest in that scenario. He can improve his stock and have something to fall back on (degree + insurance policy) to support his family in the event of injury.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        +1

        I’ll show my cog-dis. Gotta believe Riley will not bring back the O-line but will let competition make some changes; that said, Quiz will have a better showing next year. So Angry’s point about an insurance policy makes sense to me.

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        The insurance policy is a really good idea! Shouldn’t be terribly expensive, and would take the biggest, baddest risk off the table (the risk of long-term or career-ending injury during his senior season).

        By returning, Quizz would of course still run other risks, such as the risk of playing badly (and hurting his NFL value) or the risk of lesser but still significant injuries (the kind of injuries that would let him play in the NFL, but less effectively). And of course Quizz would also absorb hundreds of hits that would, inevitably, shorten his NFL career to some degree — that’s a guaranteed cost of returning.

        But those risks and costs, it seems to me, would be worth it. Meanwhile, insurance would cover the one huge risk that probably scares Quizz the most (a career-ending injury in his senior season). Hope Quizz is reading this blog!

  • CastorNation says:
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    I really don’t have a clue as to what Quizz does. I side with going pro and getting paid for those hits. If they bring back the same line, he’ll take a beating. If the line improves he has to deal with one dimensional play calling. I have very low expectations for next year. Unless some of the coaching staff starts to frequent this site.

  • mw2 says:
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    If OSU gets Nowicki and White, do you think them starting right away would make the O-Line better than the people they have currenty?

    Phillip, Nowicki, White, Remmers, Andrews?

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    BTW, I love the current headline for BeaverBlitz right now: “Recruiting gets interesting for Sample: Arizona State, Washington and Oregon State are the final three for Sample”

    Sample has been a Washington lock for a while now. Why do they insist on misleading people by getting their hopes up?

    Riley has a 4% chance in swaying Sample.

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      I also love how Moala will commit to CAL soon but lists OSU as his #2 choice. Can Riley really not use our win streak over their underachieving program to try and sway him…. or use the fact that OSU has a gaping hole at DT left behind by an All-American and 1st round NFL draft choice? … or the fact that CAL has already recruited some nice DTs already and that playing time is not guaranteed there like it is at OSU?

      Oh, but it doesn’t matter because Moala needs to stay close to home for family…. but wait, doesn’t Riley run the football program with the most family atmosphere in the nation and one with a close samoan/polynesian group? Can we really not sell better than CAL? Really?

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        Moala will commit to Cal because he has a close personal/family friend who would be his coach, and his immediate family will be at every home game.

        I’m sure Riley and Co. have talked about all the selling points you mentioned. Unfortunately every football team on the west coast has close-knit samoan/polynesian players, and every team has a great family atmosphere. That OSU is known for its family like football program only means we have little else going for us recruiting-wise.

  • mw2 says:
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    Also this re: BYRON MOORE via Buckeye message board fwiw:

    “Moore has dropped the Buckeyes from consideration.”
    –>
    “Trust me, buckeye fans you caught a break! Major Head Case! Will cause ‘problems’ whichever West Coast school, Moore finally chooses.”
    –>
    “I bet you he ends up playing for Oregon…………”
    –>
    “Actually I am hearing that it will be between Miami (Fla.) and Tennessee for Moore with the Canes in the lead right now.

    “Byron Moore, Jr. = Miami (Fla.) = A match made in heaven. They deserve each other!”

  • OS_Beaver says:
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    Quizz can cement a great legacy if he stays. He also will likely improve his stock about 20-30 spots is my guess as long as he exceeds this year by a little. earning a dgree and finishing with your brother next year are both big positives for staying. Guess we shall see. I see him as a 3rd rounder if he goes and am confident he could be an early 2nd rounder if he stayed and has a solid year.

    • mw2 says:
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      Quizz has 1st round potential (despite his top-end speed) just based on the fact he can catch anything thrown to him and he doesn’t fumble. Two of the main things NFL scouts look for in RBs is ball security and ability to catch out of the backfield…. not to mention he is great at picking up his blocks.

  • ace0099 says:
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    Buker tweet :

    receiver Kevan Walker leaving OSU, going to Southern Ill

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      I guess this is a good thing. He never played anyway and it opens up a scholarship. I say look for WR Michael Thomas (Taft) to fill it.

  • Alex says:
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    Ugh, Devin Unga is being poached by BYU

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    FYI, Eggers reporting Quizz didn’t even look into being evaluated for the draft.

    http://portlandtribune.com/sports/story_2nd.php?story_id=129411435659557200

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      Eggers uses the term “commit” when referring to Davon Moreland. When did this happen? Was I living under a rock over the holidays? If Eggers says it, it must be true.

      Also on Moala is now a pipe dream. Have to hope Cal’s D-line coach, Tosh Lupoi, leaves for Texas (fingers crossed). Tedford did throw him under the bus after the Oregon game as the mastermind of the whole fake injury fiasco. Funny because the D-line is the strength of the Cal team and kept them in the Oregon game until their kicker blew it. Looks like Bellotti taught Tedford everything he knows about diverting blame to everyone but himself.

      Hopefully Gill is rocking for the Civil War when the Grant 4 come to visit. Should be a good atmosphere if the bball team continues to play well. Should be a rout.

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        Moreland will probably commit, but he won’t qualify academically. It will be a lot like 4-star DT, Thomas Molesi, from last year. Looks good on paper but it’s meaningless news.

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          That’s the part of college football recruiting that just sucks. Some guys have great talent but don’t get it done academically and a lot of times they end up somewhere else. Do you think Molesi and Moreland will ever end up at OSU?

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            Beavs are keeping tabs on Molesi at his C.C., and if he can do his part there’s mutual interest. I’m not sure how dire Moreland’s situation is.

            Short answer: no. These things rarely pan out. But I am negative…so…maybe…

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            Yeah, I hope they end up getting them both but it’s doubtful they will ever get them on the football field for the Beavers. It’s tough, the Beavers get a really talented guy like Moreland but then he won’t qualify academically. ugh.

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        Ps. Cal’s kicker did not cost them that game. If you remember, Oregon took a knee inside the Cal 10 to end the game, and could have easily put up more points there. If he makes the kick, maybe it doesn’t play out that way or maybe it does, but what I saw was Oregon taking a knee near the Cal 10 to end the game.

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          You gotta think the Ducks would have gutted out a winning drive (the Cal D looked tired), but I would have loved to see them play from behind in the 4th quarter. Chip was hyping the run out the clock drive which is great, but not quit the same as when you are actually behind on the scoreboard.

          To win a NC you have to have some fluke plays go your way, how often does a placekicker false start?

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      I always take Eggers with a grain of salt because he is going to spin any Beav football story so that Riley appears in the best light as possible.

  • mw2 says:
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    The Beavers can take ~8 more people in this class.

    Here is my revised prediction of who the Beavers will get to fill out the rest of the class:

    1. Michael Thomas (WR)
    2. Rahmel Dockery (WR/DB)
    3. Marvin Hall (WR)
    4. Juda Parker (DE)
    5. Akeem Gonzales (OT)
    6. Torian White (OT)
    7. Ryan Nowicki (OT)
    8. Byron Moore (DB)

  • OSU4Life says:
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    On a side note: Is there a chance OSU can borrow Stanford’s offensive line next season? Ok, I know it’s not possible, but it would be nice! Man, are they impressive or what? I love Harbaughs goal for the team, to be Champions! This should be the goal at OSU as well, instead of just 6 wins. I love how Stanford pounded the ball, and then went vericle through the air! Andrew Luck is a stud! But, so is his offensive line!!! Do you think Stanford has limitations with their recruiting? But some how they’re able to recruit an awesome offensive line! Let’s hope that Riley and crew can sign some stellar recruits during the next month! Recruiting is the key for Oregon State’s future success!

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    Been hearing some interesting rumors about the Beavers coaching staff. Rumor has it that Riley will take Langsdorf off play calling duties. If this happens this would be the best news I’ve heard in quite some time.

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      Yes, that would be great.
      Where did you hear this?

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        My Dad said he heard Kerry Eggers say it during an interview. Not sure whether it’s true or not just yet but I sure hope it’s true. I will be ecstatic if this actually happens.

    • OSU4Life says:
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      Is this just wishful thinking, or is this legit? If it’s true I’ll be jumping for joy, if not I’ll be very disappointed! As will 99% of Beaver Nation.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Count me in with the 99% and post more details please.

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    In other news James Rodgers got his medical hardship surprised it happened so soon.

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    Unrelated to play calling or Jacquizz Rodgers, but…

    You ever just get a good feeling from a recruit by looking at his picture? Even if said recruit is but a lowly walk on?

    David Vieru from a couple years ago: http://prepprofiles.com/blog/?p=23

    This kid is big. 6’4″ 285# right now and looks to have the kind of frame that could soak up 20-30 more fairly easily. Allegedly benches 450#. He’s athletic enough to be the 285# wrestling champion.

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      Crazy… seems like he should have 2 or 3 stars. I think sometimes the gap between a walk-on and a 2 or 3 star lineman is minimal.

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    Quote from James Rodgers in GT today: “I’m thankful for this opportunity and that I have another chance to play at Oregon State,” Rodgers said in a released statement. “I want to thank the fans and everyone for their support.” Link to GT article: http://goo.gl/txWoD

    My 16 year old daughter claims she is in love with James Rodgers. Can’t blame her. James is the real deal — a very high quality person, as well as a great football player.

    Got to think that this news (along with the report that Quizz apparently has not yet applied for NFL pre-draft eval) bodes well for the return of both Quizz and James next season.

    Fingers crossed that this also motivates the key people (OSU staff and others) to finish the recruiting season strong and land some top recruits.

    Do that, and also take play-calling duties away from Langsdorf, and I’ll consider this off-season a big success!

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    I’m all for Langsdorf losing his play calling duties. But why would you still keep him around at all? I know he is a good guy and all, but if he has lost the confidence of the head coach wouldn’t he have to go?

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      Not necessarily. He could still help game plan, coach and work with the QB’s, recruit, etc. Just not have the final say on offense for the games. To draw more fans, sell more tickets, expand exposure, OSU must be more exciting on offense! Put teams away instead of playing not to lose. Come from behind and win instead of just saving face. Win the games we are supposed to instead of constantly laying eggs on National TV! Do we even have an automatic 5 yard play? We seem to cross our fingers, cringe, and hope for the best, way too often. And this is huge….. actually starting a football season hot, instead of waiting until November to play football! Because it does matter how you start, not just finish! No more slow starts. No more accepting 6 win/crappy bowl games as a successful season or a tremendous accomplishment. No more losing to our rival. A line must be drawn, I say the time is now!

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      Personally, I don’t think Langsdorf is a bad coach. He is decent he just doesn’t have a great feel for the game while he’s calling the plays. He shows this when a particular play works really well a couple times and he won’t call it again for almost the rest of the game. It has always frustrated me when the coaching staff goes away from what’s worked for them.

      Riley should call the plays but Langsdorf can still help them with recruiting and coaching during the practices.

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        Was this year Langsdorf’s first time calling plays? At any level? Does anyone know?
        I too was severely disappointed with the calling but I wonder if Riley will address that this offseason and work with Langs on that to help him improve.

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          I think he took over in 2007.

        • OSU4Life says:
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          I don’t think this was his 1st year calling the plays. I think it’s been all Langsdorf since 2007? If OSU’s offense is so complicated, how come it isn’t very good? The yucks offense is pretty basic, yet very good! Go figure. But, it all starts upfront with the O-Line. Stanford, Auburn, TCU, oregon, Wisconsin, Ohio State, all have outstanding O-Lines! We do not. I’m tired of excuses. OSU Must improve on the O-Line to be successful!

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    I think the key to all of beaver nation’s wants and needs is to get rid of Bobby D. Just the way he handled the Women’s basketball team fiasco screamed incompetence. Have Charlie Sitton or some other OSU business guy come in and run the athletic department for a year or two. Hire a hotshot coordinator (hc in waiting) push Riley into the AD job and the OC becomes the new HC. His first order of business is re-brand OS football. Sound familar??

  • mw2 says:
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    OK, Nowicki is now going to Penn State and Moala is a verbal to CAL. Torian White is visiting but loves USC.

    Players I thought OSU could get are headed elsewhere.

    Is Nowicki a lost cause now?

    Is there any chance Moala could be swayed and choose OSU?

    Are we going to lose out on Byron Moore to Miami?

    OSU is running out of blue chippers to recruit.

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    Wow. Saw that Andrew Luck is returning to school. This most likely means Jim Harbaugh will be back as well. Pac 12 North will be pretty tough next season.

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      Weird, espn radio announced Harbaugh to the Dolphins.

    • mw2 says:
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      Maybe Luck didn’t like the prospect of playing for the Carolina Panthers.

      Good news for Jake Locker.

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        I think Luck (a) puts a high priority on eduction (obvious) and (b) has a wealthy family, so if he is injured no big deal, he’ll do architecture and collect his insurance policy.

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    When do fans start holding the players accountable for performing in a game? OS played one of the toughest schedules in America with a new QB and a banged up O-line and we are asking for heads to roll??

    Langsdorf has been calling plays since 2007 – first game as a play-caller was the “upset” against USC. He converted Canfield into the Beavers first ever member of the all PAC 10 team in 2009. And the OS offense has been in the top 10 in total yards during the last 4 years.

    It seems you all forgot who brought the Rodgers brothers to OS?

    I noticed no one is talking about defensive play on here?

    One bad year of mediocre play in the last 4 and you throw daggers. Hate to be married to you and your what have you done for me lately attitude.

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