21.Jan.2011 Basketball: Civil War

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It feels like we're all just waiting around for football recruiting news to break. It's been awfully quiet and frustrating, so maybe it's time to think about something else, like the Civil War (hoops style) that tips off tomorrow at 3pm.

This should be an interesting battle. Oregon has developed a reputation for playing cheap and trash talking, but I'm not sure that's true; I've watched a bunch of their games and see a team that plays hard. They just can't make many shots. I remember a few years ago when Beaver fans were upset over losing in-state talent Garret Sim. He's been horrible from behind the arc, but if anything is going to get him out of that funk it's the focus that comes from playing an arch rival. Watch out for him. Oregon also has a couple guys inside who clean up on the glass pretty well, but they're undersized, and the Beavers should be able to have their way in there with Brandt, Collier, and Johnson on the floor. Expect to see that trio getting major minutes in this game.

On the flip side, OSU's offense, especially at guard, is too quick for Oregon. Cunningham should score at least 25, with most of those points coming in the paint off drives. There's simply nobody on Oregon's roster who is quick enough to defend him. I expect him and Brandt to be the top scorers.

Both these teams like to run, neither is very good at it, but Oregon State has more momentum and identity right now. They also have more to play for…when was the last time they were above .500 in conference play? I'm not sure, but it's probably been a while. A win on Saturday could kick start a positive second half. Oh, and one more thing: while the UCLA lose was disappointing, the Beavers did come back to win a game we thought they'd lose versus USC. At 3-3 in conference, that's exactly what we expected (i.e. lose to both Washington schools, split with the LA schools).

The SC game was so promising that I might steal Lamar Hurd's thoughts and suggest the Beavers are in the process of learning how to become a good team, and with more positive experiences they will have the potential to be very good by year's end. Let's hope the one step forward, two step backward phase is now behind them and they can build upon their last victory. I expect a win on Saturday, and so should the Beavers.

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  • ean says:
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    I am still puzzled by your Brandt love affair. Not sure if a physical game fits his style. He might struggle with JoeVan.

    • angry angry says:
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      Who is my other option?

      Burton?

      I’d take Brandt.

      Does that sound like a love affair or simply being pragmatic?

      My love affair is with Collier and Coach Robinson. Cunningham is earning my love, but it’s taken a while since he had such an out of control freshman season.

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    This one should be a romp. If Omari does what he did last game goes into the post and scores against the height challenged Ducks then I can see him having a big game. Jared should put up at least 20 and I would also like to see Roberto have a 20 point game. This has 25 point victory written all over it.

    • angry angry says:
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      They played UCLA exactly the same as we did. 25 points victory seems really optimistic. I was thinking 9. 74-65ish.

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        Yeah that was also the game when the Beavers played a horrific first half. UCLA also had size. Oregon has no size so I just don’t see it being close at all.

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      I’m not so sure. The Beavs must hit their 3-point shots or . . . Also, I wish I’d kept tally of Mike Parker saying, “he missed the layup” – – – SOMETIMES followed by “but he was fouled.”

  • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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    I got some tickets to this game, I am hoping its a good one. Anyone else going to be there?

  • mw2 says:
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    Does anyone have confirmation that Moala and/or Sample are in Corvallis right now with Lopa?

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      I read somewhere that Moala is coming.

      • angry angry says:
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        If he’s on campus we’ll know…that guy can’t hide easily. Especially if he goes to the basketball game.

        I’ve had a gut feeling all along he’ll take a secret unofficial–I think he’s too curious to not check it out. No info, just a hunch. We’ll see. Could be way off.

        Maybe we should stop talking about football recruiting and just wait and see. We’re all a little obsessed, and we have a big hoops game tomorrow.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    I’m in Corvallis but don’t have tickets. I thought I had to work on Saturday only to find out today that I will indeed have the night off.

    Fuck my life.

    Oh well, I’m happy to hear that a big crowd is coming to see the Beavs.

  • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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    Ill be at the game, I will keep my eyes open for a 6’3 330# Samoan. If I see him I’ll let you know. I am heading to PaPa’s Pizza afterword, some of the best pizza in town πŸ™‚

  • OS_Beaver says:
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    Jared Cunningham is morphing into a star. Plenty of good role palyers on the team and good overall flow with Nelson, Cunningham and Collier. Hayne splayed well and smart off the bench. Keep it going guys! Starting to look like a well coached team! Be nice to go deeper into the Pac-10 tourney this year or actually earn an NIT bid. Slow but steady progress. NCAA isn’t a dream at some point under Robinson with a few more solid recruits. Nice to see us have confidence out there and playing with some swagger.

  • JR says:
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    Not sure which statement is bolder: Brandt will be one of the top scorers or Cunningham will score a career high a game after setting it.

    I agree though, if Cunningham hits his lay ups there will be no stopping him from getting 20+

    I’m very interested in the Haynes-Nelson dynamic. The SC game showed that they can both thrive.

    Hopefully Omari saved some threes from last year for this game. That 1st half of his last year was crazy.

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    What concerns me about this game is that someone on the Beavs is going to have to knock down some open threes as I believe the Ducks play exclusively zone. I hope the Beavs can play smart and blow open the Ducks full court zone press with Cunningham getting some easy break aways. This team is so inconsistent, who the hell knows what is going to happen.

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      Beavers have plenty of guys to knock down threes. Jared Cunningham is their best outside shooter and best player so that’s always nice. Roberto Nelson will bounce back and I think hit some threes in the game. Brandt can hit them and so can Haynes. They shot it tremendously well in practice they just got to carry it over to the game.

  • mw2 says:
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    The weather is currently awesome for this time of year in the Northwest.

    I hope to God Moala is in town!

    Too bad the weather wasn’t like this last weekend… maybe we would still be in the mix for Byron Moore.

    However, Torian White is OSU’s biggest need right now. Brandin Cooks needs to be in his ear all weekend!

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    I’m really looking forward to the game today, I haven’t been this excited for Beavers basketball in maybe 6 years or so.

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    Appears construction on a new practice facility will probably start in the summer. Thank god.

    http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindbeaversbeat/2011/01/oregon_state_basketball_that_l.html

    • mw2 says:
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      They need to tear down Gill, make it a parking lot, and build a new arena adjacent to where it is now on the other side of the weight center if there’s room.

      • mw2 says:
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        …or takeover the large intramural field up the street a little further next to the forestry building.

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    Not liking this performance today. Guys are just launching shots when they touch it. Nelson needs to step closer. No reason to be shooting so deep.

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    Might be time to sit Starks. He’s playing horrible basketball.

    • angry angry says:
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      He’s too short…his passes over defenders almost get intercepted every time.

      Beavs better start driving to the hoop. That’s their advantage, and they’re shooting jumpers.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Just back from a bicycle ride, bring up channel surfing and I see ‘ucks 18 & Beavs 12. Burton and Haynes are in. WTF is going on? Who started?

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    This is painful to watch.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    I guess it would be too much to ask for the Beavs to PLAY during the first half. Fuckin’ Robinson, try coaching the fucking game!!

    there…now I got my frustration out I can remember that I’m a Beaver fan and shouldn’t expect competitive play for an entire game.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    and the first play I see is Haynes throwing the frigging ball away.

    Who the hell is this announcer? He sure sounds like a ‘uck to me.

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    This is embarrassing. Beavers playing down to competition. Team is just going through the motions.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Is it necessary for me to say that the few minutes I’ve seen it looks to me like the ‘ucks are a better coached team.

    God Damn it!!!

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    Nelson is just horrible. Everybody on the team is playing horrible basketball. I just don’t get it.

    • Max says:
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      Add everyone except Cunningham and Collier to that list. Coach Rob that includes you.

  • Max says:
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    We can’t play man to man against the worst team in the Pac-10? What a joke Coach Rob.

  • angry angry says:
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    The ol’ one step forward, two steps back in full swing?

    I was worried about Sim for a reason–he’s been a sleeping dog, and nothing like a rivalry (and zone defense) to wake him.

    On offense, Beavs have a height advantage they’re not using. Collier is back in there; he should be able to do some things, but at this point they’re so far behind they’ll exert too much energy catching up to pull out a win.

  • OSU4Life says:
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    Beavs should put a fork in it, they’re done! I HATE losing to whoregon!!!

  • progressivebeav says:
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    Gill and the crowd look great. Burton, Haynes… not so much.

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    Imagine that, the Beavers go man-to-man on defense and suddenly they’re suffocating Oregon and causing turnovers.

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    Why – just when Angus Brandt seems to settle in – is he replaced with Joe Burton?

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      I have no idea. Craig loves Burton for whatever reason. Even though Brandt is a better shooter, rebounder and plays smarter. Brandt has the shortest leash in history. he makes the slightest mistake and gets yanked, Burton won’t get taken out unless he makes a series of mistakes over 10 minutes.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    They just showed the Beaver huddle and it looked pretty chaotic to me.

    For those of you who go to games or are able to see the games on TV – – are the Beav huddles always like a bunch of guys playing street basketball?

    Wallace is hot so Haynes thinks he has to cast off. Shit!!

  • Max says:
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    Haynes has to be one of the dumbest basketball players I have ever watched. Wallace is the only guy who is hot, feed him the ball!

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    Can’t believe Lathen Wallace is the only player that came to play. Trying to understand that. Btw that last offensive possession by Haynes was extremely selfish. Wallace was actually shooting well and he was wide open for a little bit and Haynes saw him on his left but wouldn’t give him the ball.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    Seriously- I’ve seen more fight in the women’s basketball program. What a wasted half.

    Thank you Lathen Wallace, at least you’re playing like a Senior should.

    OSU Athletics is becoming defined by cowardice and we have retarded fans to thank.

  • pdx10 says:
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    9 point deficit isn’t much to overcome. What’s with Burton(?) tying his shoe?

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      If someone other than Lathen Wallace wants to win the game they will win. Calvin Haynes should get very few minutes in the 2nd half with how selfish he’s been.

      • angry says:
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        A big problem (and why we see so much Starks/Haynes) is Cunningham’s foul trouble.

        Starks is showing his warts…if he’s not hitting threes he is pretty worthless. He is not a true point guard as advertised.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    It seems like players are playing out of control because CR does not have control of the team.

    During his first year it seemed like he was in contol and the team played that way.

    Why did he change or am I full of it?

    • angry says:
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      This has been answered a lot by Robinson. The first year he felt he didn’t have the horses. Now he does, but they’re young and making mistakes. What we’re seeing is the frustrations of a young, talented team. Ups and downs.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    BRANT HAS MADE TWO BUCKETS, TIME TO PULL HIM!

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    Collier misses a layup that could’ve brought OSU within 4. sigh. However, no Starks, Haynes or Burton on the floor and the team looks pretty good.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Wallace is still hot. Time for Haynes to start casting off. That guy loves the spot light.

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    Well, here’s the team we thought we would see from the opening tip. When they actually try and play like their ability says they can they’re pretty good. Oregon can’t handle this Beavers team in any capacity when they give the full effort. I would like to see this Beavers team for a full 40 minutes.

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    I’ve never seen Wallace play better. He’s rebounding aggressively, making nice passes and red hot from deep….who is this guy?

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    Cunningham since that big time dunk vs Arizona has become obsessed with making highlight reel plays.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Crunch time so who do we see on the floor?

    Burton, Haynes, etc.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Go back to the 1-3-1 and put in Burton & Haynes. Are we surprised the Beavs are now behind? Not me.

  • angry says:
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    Beavs up 4. Haynes enters game. Beavs down 4. Just saying…

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Burton is trying his best to turn it over and Haynes is trying to be the star. And I’m trying to keep from puking.

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    Nelson and Cunningham are becoming irritating to watch play. They try for the spectacular play way too much. They’re outta control far too often.

    Btw is there anyone on the team who actually makes layups? Haynes has blown at least 2 uncontested tonight and Collier and Brandt have blown some. It’s the easiest shot and they can’t make it. Unbelievable.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Suddenly Beavs down by 7.

    CR is giving some of his guys this message. It’s crunch time so you’re out because you can’t be trusted. Way to go CR.

    Imo he should put the guys in who brought them back and LET THEM PLAY.

    BURTON TURN OVER!!!

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Way to friggin go CR!

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    Game over.

    Jesus.

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    Craig made some truly stupid substitutions. This Beavers team should never lose to this untalented Ducks team. Pathetic loss.

  • angry angry says:
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    This is the worst loss this season.

    I’m tired of the pattern where the Beavers are down double digits early in the game, expend all their energy coming back, then are burnt out and can’t finish. It’s the same pattern every game.

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      That happens. Also, the wrong guys are in at the wrong time. Today players such as Nelson, and Cunningham didn’t play to the level they should be playing.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    I don’t buy the burnt out theory. Some guys who brought them back are setting on the frigging bench AND CR has gone back to that frigging zone.

    Piss poor coaching if you ask me and you didn’t. πŸ™‚

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    And to think I delayed my post game shower for THIS.

    HAYNES TURN OVER.

    Way to go CR.

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    Craig needs to start sharing a lot of blame now. His team is never ready to play and that’s on the coach.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      Going to a man to man at the end of the half was brillant, but then they do not use it again???? Are they not capable of playing it for more than 4 minutes? When they went to man to man they cleary showed they were the better team.

      I agree, CR has to be accountable for these continued poor starts and his random substitution patterns. No practice facility for you, bad coach!!!!

      • angry angry says:
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        Did you read the article on the practice facility? Apparently basketball players have nowhere to shoot/improve because the volleyball team, women’s hoops, etc etc are always using Gill.

        A practice facility will not only make us land better recruits, but once those recruits are on campus they’ll be able to practice and improve in their spare time.

        • mckalk mckalk says:
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          I was being sarcastic. Detailed article on Oregon Live today. Sounds like a done deal.

  • OSU4Life says:
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    Will we ever beat the fumb ducks in anything???? DAMN IT!!!!!!!

  • Max says:
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    Soooooo. Any word on recruiting?

  • angry angry says:
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    Was this outcome really that surprising? Oregon has played scrappy all year. If you don’t play all 40 minutes–like with any opponent–you will lose. What’s amazing is the early double digit deficits continue. You would think at some point they’d realize that is when and why they are losing these games.

    Cunningham let me down in this one. That was the lone big surprise. He should have driven a lot more to the basket and put up at least 20 in this game.

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    I’ve thought for a long time Craig was the answer as the head coach but is he? We’ve blamed the seniors for losses which they have earned but Craig is the one who puts them on the floor in crucial times. He never has them ready to play and rarely takes accountability. I’m really fed up at this point.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    Wake me up when baseball starts.

    • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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      I feel you on that. Baseball the one significant sport where we know we will see a winner and has the potential to make deep postseason runs.

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      I don’t know about that…the baseball team has been in a slow decline since the championships. The Ducks poaching a lot of NW talent isn’t helping. As they rise, we sink. We should have a solid team this year, but there will probably be a lot of frustration as well, and I imagine we’ll be a bubble team come the final days.

      I hear Susac’s power and consistency is much improved. We really need more big bats. Romero leaving early was a huge blow.

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        Actually this team will be a lot better and can challenge for the conference title. Susac is a lot better, as is Bell. Pitchers who were hurt are back and should play a decent role.

        • angry angry says:
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          I love that “KRhod” is gone. Big time addition by attrition. Kind of like how the football team would have been better if Pankey would have stayed injured.

          (I’ll never get over Pankey…he was just so bad).

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    Btw the last 23 minutes of this game or so did Omari Johnson play at all? I don’t remember seeing him in there. I don’t think he played that terrible.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      Good point, what was that all about? Earlier in the week CR was praising his talents in the paper. Another, head scratching substition pattern.

  • pdx10 says:
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    Great comments on Oregonlive by criticalbeav. They say a cynic is an optimist with experience. Keep beating the drum.

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    That was a clear case of a team that was tight not executing the little things…sometimes you see that in a rivalry game – one team (or both) come out so hyped for the game, you couldn’t shove a greased BB up their collective assess. Seriously, 1 FG for Cunningham? Good grief.

    I hate the ducks so much I think I’m going to spray Roundup on my lawn this spring so it never turns green.

  • Hahahaha says:
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    BeaverBeliever20 said at 2:53 pm on January 21st, 2011:
    This one should be a romp. If Omari does what he did last game goes into the post and scores against the height challenged Ducks then I can see him having a big game. Jared should put up at least 20 and I would also like to see Roberto have a 20 point game. This has 25 point victory written all over it.

    25 Point win! Wooops… Barkrat overconfidence never ceases to amaze me!

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      Fuck off little duckie. Don’t you have a NC game loss celebration to ejaculate over?

    • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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      If Craig had them to play it would’ve been a blowout. For the first 12 minutes of the 2nd half it was clear who the better team was and it wasn’t close. Ducks got this one gift wrapped to them. The Beavers just played like shit for too long in the game. It wasn’t overconfidence I’e seen both teams play and looking at the talent Oregon doesn’t match up well. Only games Oregon can win conference they need the other team to not show up and spot them a big lead otherwise they don’t got a chance.

  • angry angry says:
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    I’m mad about any loss, but I’m just not sure what you guys expect. The Beavs to win the conference?

    Unless you care a lot about the NIT, these loses mean very little. Beavs aren’t winning the conference or going to the dance unless they win the conference tourny. Since the early OOC loses, all that has mattered is getting better, learning, and playing the best basketball come the conference tournament.

    What we have right now is this: a young team that doesn’t know how to close games or deal with success. Therefore, they play better from behind when there is no pressure on them. Isn’t this obvious? It’s been (very) slowly improving.

    From this point on, instead of wins and loses, we should probably care more about whether they’re playing (a) complete games and (b) learning how to close. Those humps are hard to get over for young teams, and way more important than the W/L in the ledger. A win where they learn nothing might as well be a loss.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      So, that would no and no for your criteria.

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      I expected them to play better against a really bad team.
      What makes me the most mad about this team is the effort.
      I can deal with this team losing but what i can’t stand is not trying your hardest. They come out so lethargic and go through the motions that just shouldn’t happen. If they just give the effort but struggle to close out games I can deal with that.

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        I agree, but they’re young…most of these guys aren’t far removed from HS where they just had to show up to win the game.

        The ones who are (the seniors) aren’t natural leaders or very good players.

        Is this loss on Robinson? I’m sure partially. I saw the team playing great and earning a 4 point lead with McShane in the game. Then I saw Calvin Haynes enter, miss a layup, throw a ball out of bounds, and the next thing you knew the Beavs were down 4. Is that on Robinson or Haynes?

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          I would say both. Robinson knows Haynes is not a good player and is prone to make critical mistakes and errors but Haynes can’t be missing layups. It is just getting to the point where Haynes just can’t play a second of meaningful time. He will find a way to screw it up.

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      Angry,
      Are you really saying that losing to the Ducks doesn’t matter? As a 30-yr oregon resident, I can definitively say, it fucking matters. Until this year, we’ve beat the Duck more than any team has bean any other team, ever. We should not lose to the Ducks. They are the ducks, we are the Beavers. The Beavers beat the Ducks. That is the natural order of things. We can’t wait for a system to mature. We shouldn’t have to accept excuses.

      We lost to the Ducks at Gill.

      Unacceptable. Fuck all of the excuses. This can’t happen.

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        Are you really saying that losing to the Ducks doesn’t matter?

        It matters for bragging rights and feeling good/building confidence, but in the big picture this team needs to be playing its best basketball come the conference tournament.

        What I am saying is that it’s not like the Ducks just ruined our shot at a conference title or anything. What they did is rub salt in the wounds of this past football season.

  • Gotmilk says:
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    Anyone who likes well coached fundamental bb will not be able to stomach much more cr. It is more than obvious he is absolutely clueless. Another wasted regime at beaver basketball. He pisses me off more than jj ever did.
    At least you could see the pain in nj. Cr has never gave a shit about osu and never will.

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    Angry says above, “they play better …when there is no pressure on them.”
    Believer says “they come out so lethargic…”

    Seems like the same problems seen in football, why? This lack of full time effort is getting to me.

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    Did anyone hear what Craig said after the game though? I doubt he had a single tough question but I would like to know what his thoughts were.

  • Gotmilk says:
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    Cr’s thoughts about basketball? Maybe Jared’s dunk made sports center.

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    So, what I read from all of this banter, is that we are OK losing to a shitty UO team, because:
    1) CR recruits well.
    2) We’re young.
    3) We have an inferiority complex.

    Fuck all of that. The time for excuses has passed. Shitty teams can play hard; play with passion and desire. I cannot stand quietly by while we piss away possessions like there’s no tomorrow. Why does Craig get a pass for this when we all crucify Riley/Banker/Langsdorf? Because he’s black? Because he’s Ivy League? Because he’s the President’s BIL? Please, some one explain why mediocrity is OK!? We are still in the top 20 of all-time winningest programs in NCAA history – why do we settle for losing to the fucking Oregon Ducks?! Ralph Miller would be so embarrassed. Hell, I’m embarrassed.

    Oh, and Jared/Joe/Calvin/et al..make a goddam layup for fuck sake. You’re not in the pee-wee league anymore, dick wads.

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      A fricken Men!

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      It is a brutal process right now, but you have to give CR his five years to do something. I personally have my doubts about him as a motivator and a strategist (and we will have plenty of time to debate that point) but in the end time will tell. I certainly hope at the end of the 2012/13 season the Portland Pilots are not the best program in the state anymore!

      • angry angry says:
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        Jim Anderson 1990–1995 79–90 .467
        Eddie Payne 1996–2000 52–88 .371
        Ritchie McKay 2001–2002 22–37 .372
        Jay John 2003–2007 72–97 .426
        Kevin Mouton 2007 0–13 .000
        Craig Robinson 2008β€” 32-36 .471

        Since Ralph Miller retired, CR has the best winning % record of any OSU coach. This is with Jay John’s leftovers. Again, give the guy a chance.

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          I miss Ralph Miller tonight more than I have in a long time. Do you think Coach Robinson could starting smoking More extra-longs and drinking a Scotch neat after every game?

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        The way CR was outcoached last night and considering the facility he has I’d say it will be the UO coach who will have the best BB program in the state by the end of 2012/2013.

  • FatDog says:
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    One thing that may help for some of you during this period of chartreuse and black (supposed to be green and yellow) juggernaut a is a great blog about UO: http://uomatters.blogspot.com/.
    It is maintained by a UO faculty member. Looking at it you’ll see some of the shady deals that go on there (in addition to some Eugene-centric crap). For example, apparently Kilkenny (omg they killed kenney!) owns a new high rent apartment complex across the street from the arena he had build with nearly $250 million taxpayer bonds and is still on the UO payroll. Remember, out new PAC 10/16/12 commissioner flew around on this guy’s jet. Some day the boys club they have been running down there will come home to roost.

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      As always, it’s the profession of the shady deal guys to propogate their shady deals. Usually, the people who sense the wrong have other jobs, lives, etc., so whilst the shady deal guys leave the office after a day of fooling or defrauding people, the folks who see the wrong and seek a remedy are just beginning their work – going to hearings, blogging, spending late internet hours fact-finding, trying to keep hope. Unfortunately, the good guys usually lose.

      Re: bb – I fear the players are losing (speaking of losing) confidence in CR and that it will be a long (er) season.

      Does anyone know if any coaches or players read this blog?

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      That blog is interesting.
      The author actually wrote me this morning; he must have seen referral links from this site. I’m a sucker for exposΓ©. We should post that blog everywhere and send it to the NCAA.

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    Fans are upset with the football team taking a step back and have vigourously called for some kind of change and a sense of urgency from the Athletic Dept. Instead, we get the impression that last year fits the norm of thr program. A little down but nothing to take notice of. They pay BDC 420,000 as base salary so he better frickin’ listen to tha fans. We wre right about Valley View and filling Reser and we are right that change is needed.

    Now BDC though wants to be the enxt Riley and is looking for a possible 10 year extension to his AD duties. Mediocrity is not difficult to come by but at OSU we are expected to belive we are exceeding expectations. BULLHONKY! Riley has an awful record against ranked teams on TV. Somethging like won 2 games out of 25 or something like that. Usually we have padded our record against WSU, UW and the UCLAs of the Pac-10. We lost to ALL of them last year. I was frustrated with the basketball Civil War for sure and Craig definitely has to win some more big Pac-10 games and the last matchup with Oregon. But football is the bigger issue now and the overall apathy at OSU that mediocrity is par for the course and a job well done. If BDC doesn’t have that new west side done by 2015 and OSU football having 8-4 seasons than we are behind the curve. As far as I am concerned BDC can get 2 year contracts until we are in a BCS bowl. I don’t mind paying or rewarding actual impressive results. I hate though being told average is good or even more that being average should be rewarded like greatness.

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    Lady Beavs losing to Oregon…not surprising, but it keeps the “can we beat Oregon at anything” streak alive…

    On a side note, is is possible to hire Rueck as the men’s coach if CR doesn’t work out? His team plays fundamentally sound, and he seems in control of the game. Has a women’s coach ever transitioned to men’s in the NCAA?

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      Man, Rueck is great. Calls a timeout with 52 seconds left, down by ten because he “wants to finish strong”…the guy is a genius getting 7 wins out of this team and hanging around in PAC-10 games. These girls play hard.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Thanks for the uo matters link FatDog.

    Makes me wonder if OSU has skeletons in its closets?

    It would seem that during the cold war the U.S. became as bad as the Russians. Hopefully OSU isn’t becoming like the ‘ucks in order to compete with them.

    As an aside imo our entire system of government, business and values have become too predicated on money. And we’re going down the tubes because of it.

    bwdik

  • Jonathan says:
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    Are loyal OSU fans actually bringing up CR’s race and his family in order to criticize him? You guys are whack.

    Angrybeav analyzed it perfectly. The program has improved significantly since CR took over, and there’s no way you can make a final judgement on him when the team is basically pure underclassmen. He deserves five years, lets see what he does with his own seniors. But I’d say overall he’s already on a good track.

    And if you need to bring up the fact that he’s Black or he’s related to Obama, then you need to STFU. We care about the basketball team, the other stuff has no place in the conversation.

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