27.Jan.2011 Beaver Fans Who Mock Jeff Tedford…

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Can be summed in two words: jealousy and misinformed.

You might wonder why I'm discussing Jeff Teford on a day when the Men's Basketball team hopes to continue their impressive romp through the Pac-10 schedule. Well, tonight the Beavers play Cal, so there's that connection, but moreover because every recruiting cycle I hear the same talk about how Tedford can't translate his highly recruited talent into wins.

I'd always roll my eyes when reading such comments, but I finally decided to put in some work to see if they're founded in fact. They aren't. Below is a summary of both coaches' resumes:

So, there you have it. Do I even need to expound?

Beaver fans making fun of Tedford are like the homeless scoffing at snickering passersby. "Angry, Riley is 7-2 versus Tedford!" So what? Do you base your program's success on head-to-head record versus Cal, or the body of work and final standings? To talk about head-to-head battles or the number of players drafted into the NFL would be to bring into play a logical fallacy known as an "irreverent conclusion." Do not turn down that dead end road.

In short, Beaver fans, in their jealous rage–which always seems high during the recruiting season–once again prove that envy and uncontrollable emotion rules the day. Here is some advice for delusional Beaver fan: instead of displacing blame for your team's mediocrity onto Jeff Tedford, look in the mirror and place blame where it is due.

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  • ean says:
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    No doubt Tedford is better than he gets credit for. I think a lot of it has to do with expectations. Cal seems to choke whenever the “experts” predict them to do well. I think Riley has done a better job developing QB’s though. Rodgers kind of just fell into Tedford’s lap and other than that he hasn’t exactly lived up to his QB guru title.

    The real question should be if Riley and Tedford switched schools what would it look like? Could Tedford recruit to OSU better than Riley? Could Riley recruit better with the better city and academics of Cal?

    • angry angry says:
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      With McClure just committing to Cal, this post has suddenly become topical.

      A quote from a guy on Rivals: No surprise there. Cal class continues to impress from an athletic standpoint. Its almost hard to believe it doesn’t translate to the field. Well, McClure can enjoy getting owned by OSU for the next four years…

      Lol.

      Anyway, to address Ean’s post. Cal was not a recruiting powerhouse before Tedford arrived, so I’m sure he’d recruit well to Corvallis. But again, this kind of conjecture borders on irreverent conclusion. The point is that Tedford is better than Riley. There is no reason for Beaver fans to make fun of Tedford. They should buy a punching bag, or they should join a cause to improve their own team.

      Oh, I should also add that Tedford is 7-2 in The Big Game. Riley is now 4-6 in the Civil War. Since beating Oregon is all most fans care about I figured I should throw that nugget out there.

      • NAGoBeavs says:
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        Generally great posts on your site angry. But you are striking out all over this thread. I am surprised you don’t see the obvious flaw in comparing Tedford’s record in the “big game” (written in lower case because honestly, when is this game ever BIG?) versus Riley’s record in the CW. Stanford has been a doormat in the Pac-10 for the majority of those nine years – a joke compared to the uckies. The ucks have consistently been a much tougher opponent than Stanford.

      • ean says:
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        I don’t know that you can just assume Tedford would recruit better than Riley in Corvallis. There are a ton of advantages to Cal over OSU. Of course UofO is working with the same disadvantages as OSU and they are doing great. I guess there is no real way to answer that question as you can’t look at it in a vacuum.

        • angry angry says:
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          Correct, nobody could possibly know for sure unless we hired Tedford.

          But, I have seen a basketball and baseball coach able to recruit to Corvallis. And, I saw the state of the Cal program before Tedford arrived. They were not landing top 20 classes despite having the same advantages then that they do now.

          Ps. Wasn’t Tedford known as a pretty good recruiter while OC for Oregon? They also had the best record in the Pac-10 (38–10) during his tenure as their OC.

          • ean says:
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            Yeah but has the basketball recruiting really been that much better than the football recruiting? I see mostly 3-star guys. Nelson who was 4-star had academic issues (sounds like a Riley recruit) and Gomis was off the radar when we got him to commit and he still isn’t producing that much, granted he plays for a guard dominant team but still.

          • angry angry says:
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            Cunningham was a 4-star as well.

            Robinson’s first recruiting class was a top 20 class. The 3 stars were highly regarded by most services.

            His second class wasn’t very good, but he didn’t have playing time to sell recruits. He needs to win with that heralded first group so he can sell the fruits of their labor and parlay them into better classes.

          • ean says:
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            Class rankings are a little deceptive in basketball because some teams take in 5 guys some take in 2. The reason the class was top 25 is because there were 5 recruits in it. Collier and Starks are probably on par with the first 5 Robinson guys but they came in a class of 2 so they are not rated as high. In football every school takes in closer to the same amount of recruits. Robinson is getting mostly 3 star guys which is maybe a little better than Riley but not much.

  • NAGoBeavs says:
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    You are supporting the argument you are trying to disprove.

    Cal consistently recruits better, actually much better, talent than Oregon State. But depsite the talent differential they consistently perform at a level consistent with that of Oregon State. Effectively doing less with more.

    Better question for this debate: If Mike Riley was able to recruit the same talent to Oregon State that Jeff Tedford gets at Cal, would he be able to translate that into 3-5 more wins a year and an average national ranking in the top 10?

    • angry angry says:
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      How do they perform at a level consistent with Oregon State?

      Cal averages 1.1 more wins per year, have been to two Holiday Bowl, were ranked #2 in the country, have finished 9th in the country, and have won 7% more games. How is that comparable with OSU? Please read the chart I provided.

      To answer your second point: of course Riley could do more if he had better talent, but part of running a football program is landing good talent. Tedford does this well, and don’t act like it was always easy to recruit to Cal. Tedford took their recruiting to a new level. In 1999 Cal was 0-11, in 2001 they were 1-10!!!

      • NAGoBeavs says:
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        Okay, close your eyes, take a few deep breaths, and give those stats you posted a fresh look. Tedford has 3 more total wins than Riley, 1 more conference win, 1 more bowl game appearance, and the same number of bowl wins. He’s taken his team to the Holiday Bowl which is on bowl above the Sun – you’re giving that way to much weight. And the #2 ranking you referenced is completely based on pre-season rankings and media hype – you are well aware that OSU knocked them out of that #2 spot when they beat Tedford’s team in Berkley. And you also know that they finished that season somewhere around .500. Cal hasn’t sniffed a Rose Bowl. And they have been dominated by Oregon State. Arrange those facts however you want and you will get the answer that these programs are very close in terms of success, very close. The only thing that seperates them is perception in the media.

        • angry angry says:
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          Tedford has 3 more total wins than Riley

          Open your eyes: he has 3 more wins, but in one less year. If Tedford averaged his usual 8 wins, that would be 11 more wins over the same span as Riley. Winning % is even more important, and that would jump as well.

          Even if you think the teams are close, can you at least admit that Beaver fans who make fun of Tedford are off-base and jealous? Because, I mean, that is my original point and all.

          McClure just signed with Cal, and now I’m going to have to hear how bad Tedford is/how great Riley is all day.

          • Tim says:
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            The table included Riley’s first two years at OSU, as well as the last eight. Clearly, his first stint skews the numbers a tad (4-7 and 5-6 those years). Yes, Cal wasn’t a football power before Tedford took over, but I think most would agree that OSU was in worse shape when Riley first came in.

            Both schools have had quality QBs and RBs in recent years. I think they programs are pretty even, though I’m of the opinion that Cal has recruiting advantages due to location. That’s up for debate though. California has loads of talent, whereas Oregon produces a handful of D-1 football players each year.

        • sparkyd73 says:
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          I’m not a Tedford basher but I think I agree with NAGoBeavs. Part of Riley’s record though includes taking a program that was in absolute shambles. Berkeley is much easier to recruit to and certainly much closer to the recruiting hot beds. I think Riley is a better coach but Tedford is certainly a better recruiter.

          Another thing about those numbers you are using, the Beavs haven’t been to a Holiday Bowl, but they were in line for it more than once and got bumped because other schools are better draws.

          I think Tedford gets made fun of because the expectations are very high when you get so much love from the media and when the pre-league play is so promising and then they fall flat in conference. Riley’s teams do the opposite, start slow get little hype from their recruiting classes then finish with a bang.

          • angry angry says:
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            If it’s easy to recruit to Cal, why did they have 4 wins total in the three years before Tedford took over?

            Nobody has yet to explain this great Cal recruiting advantage (that didn’t exist until Tedford took over).

            Also, being a good recruiter (and hiring great recruiters on your staff) is part of being a great head coach. You can’t take away from Tedford because he’s hired great recruiters. That is what he is supposed to do.

            Riley has Greg Newhouse out there recruiting, yet you guys want to remove blame from people and put it on things, like location or weather.

          • JackBeav says:
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            Cal had 5, 4, 3 and 1 win(s) in Holmoe’s last four years. He is the only Cal coach since Kapp (mid-80’s) to not have a winning record at Cal.

            I would also submit that Riley’s first two season’s were miraculous compared to Tedford’s first two because not only was Riley taking over a team that had inferior talent to run even a triple option wishbone offense, he was taking over at OSU.

            So throw out his first year at the very least. Say that he got some of his own players in for his second year (which he did). Then we can begin to compare the two.

            It’s not like Tedford stepped into a similar situation at Cal. He had very good players to work with when he got there. In fact, Holmoe may have been a horrible coach, but he was widely regarded as one of the best recruiters in the country. He left Tedford with players like Kyle Boller and Aaron Rodgers on the roster.

            Maybe that’s why Holmoe’s so successful as the BYU AD.

            Since recruiting is a part of being a coach, the end result is all that matters. It doesn’t matter who does what with less or more. What matters is the final score. Who’s to say that Riley would recruit any better at Cal? If he had Tosh Lupoi on his staff, then I would guess he would be four times the recruiter he is now. But that’s all if’s.

          • angry angry says:
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            I’m looking through the record book now.
            I realize Cal’s overall record looks good (638 wins), but they also started playing football in 1882. Post WWII they’ve ranged from horrible to inconsistent. They have dozens of 3 and 4 win seasons. Occasionally they’d blow up for a 9 win season, but it was never sustained, and the following year they’d go back down to 3 or 4 wins.

            Here’s a modern example.

            1992: 4-7-0
            1993: 9-4-0
            1994: 4-7-0
            1995: 3-8-0
            Coach: Keith Gilbertson

            If you go back through the 40s the pattern is pretty much identical.

          • angry angry says:
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            Wow, they were almost as bad as the Beavs in the 80s.

            1980: 3-8-0
            1981: 2-9-0
            1982: 7-4-0
            1983: 5-5-1
            1984: 2-9-0
            1985: 4-7-0
            1986: 2-9-0
            1987: 3-6-2
            1988: 5-5-1
            1989: 4-7-0

            70s and forward were not much better. I’m trying to understand how they have 638 wins. Looks like the teams from 1882-1910 were pretty good.

          • JackBeav says:
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            They didn’t have a team from 1902-1910. They dropped it because rugby was going to be the next big thing, not football.

          • angry angry says:
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            Yes, actually it says 1906-1914.

          • JackBeav says:
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            I was running off the top of my head on that one. I just saw the dates myself.

          • JackBeav says:
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            And that’s not nearly as bad as the Beavs were in the 80’s. They were 37-69-4 with three non-losing seasons. They were 58-52-1 with seven non-losing seasons in the 70’s.

            The Beavs were 22-84-4 in the 80’s and 27-82-1 in the 70’s with a winning record in 1970.

          • JackBeav says:
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            And they were 55-54-1 in the 90’s to OSU’s 29-80-1.

            So over those three decades we were 78-246-6. Cal was 150-175-6 in that time period, due mostly to a poor showing in the 80’s.

          • angry angry says:
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            Yeah, I tend to use hyperbole and say things like “they were nearly as bad as us!” when really they weren’t. It’s mostly from the shock of seeing how bad they were. They were so much worse than I thought that I felt compelled to mention them in the same breath as the Beavers. But no, now that I have calmed down: the Beavs were way worse.

          • JackBeav says:
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            Yeah, I’m not saying they were good. I went to some games at Memorial in the late 70’s and saw them get trounced by teams like UCLA and USC.

            It just scares me that OSU was that much worse.

          • mckalk mckalk says:
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            Yeah, when the Beavs would get the rare conference win back in the day it came against Cal and sometimes Stanford for the most part. Cal will always have a special place in my heart as the team that the Beavs defeated in 1999 to finally guarantee a winning season after 28 years. Smith to Tompkins, baby!

          • Beavocalypse says:
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            Ahhh…but this idea that OSU will finish with a “bang” is the perception that screwed us. Our fan base expected it and it looked at times that our players expected it..and we got punched right in the face and we were dropped like Glass Joe.

            At least the expectations at Cal are high. At OSU you just need to say “gee golly” and people will like you despite your perpetual failure in the non conference season.

            Wisconsin is going to fuck us right in the hole that was loosened by Penn State, all because of this perception that OSU is awesome because we came back from getting our asses handed to us. Eventually Rocky Balboa gets old and has to go to the retirement home..

  • Warren says:
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    While they have done better than us, it’s not by a whole lot. With the talent they have been bringing in, they should be doing much better than they have been. Also, those rankings are purely based on hype and they never prove to be worthy of them.

    • angry angry says:
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      So are recruiting rankings accurate or not?

      Because when I prove the point that Cal is a much better program than OSU, people say it’s because Cal lands 4-star athletes. However, when the Beavers land 2 and 3 star athletes, I hear that rankings don’t matter. When OSU beat USC all I heard was that it disproved star rankings once and for all.

      It can’t be both ways. The rankings either matter or they don’t.

      • NAGoBeavs says:
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        Bottom line, rankings matter. Yeah OSU might beat USC a few times, but they won’t consistently be great. There are a lot of variables in college football, but consistently landing top rated athletes will lead to a lot of victories if a school has a good coaching staff.

        Yes, anyone from Oregon State that rips Tedford is jealous. We should be looking at inwards at our program and pushing for better results instead of making ourselves feel better by pointing out the flaws in other programs.

  • ean says:
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    Breaking news: Beavers just signed 5 more 1 star DE’s to round out the class.

    • angry angry says:
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      Funny you mention that. Did you hear Rudolf Fifita committed? 0-star DE.

      We have crushed New Mexico State in recruiting this year!!

      • ean says:
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        We did get a 2012 basketball commit. Maika Ostling, a 6’9″ post from Dayton, Oregon. Looks like he still has to grow into his body a bit but he should be a solid prospect.

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    Have people here picked on Tedford? I just see them as fairly close in their careers. I would think you could make the case that both of them have stagnated in their programs and need to do something to push forward or them will be joining the guys like Wannsedt in the next couple of years.

  • brownale9000 says:
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    A fairer comparison, in my opinion, is the 8 year run since Riley returned from the NFL. The years where we could actually quasi-compete in terms of recruiting, since the program was finally off the floor and at least moving toward respectable facilities.

    Run those numbers and it’s a dead heat, in my opinion.

    Riley 61-40 overall. 41-28 in conference.

    • angry angry says:
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      1. Cal’s record the three years before Tedford took over: 0-11, 3-8, 1-10.

      2. I haven’t been to Cal, but reports are they have worse facilities than we do.

  • mw2 says:
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    I love how BeaverBlitz is running a series of “solid in committment” cover stories on their site.

    There’s been no feel-good news on the recruiting front, so they are resorting to telling us that Kellen Clute is firm in his committment to OSU… WHEW! (wipes brow)

    Sleep easy, my friends.

    • angry angry says:
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      This might be my favorite comment ever.

      • mw2 says:
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        Haha- Now I’m waiting for JackBeav to come along and get on our cases for mocking Clute again and telling us that he’s a big-time player and good get.

        • ean says:
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          Clute is going to be solid. It doesn’t make up for the fact we had so many misses in recruiting. Did you bash on the Halahuni or Poyer signings too?

          • mw2 says:
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            I use Clute to reference this class as lackluster…

            Beyond 2 intriguing WR prospects, a RB, and Barnett, it’s pretty much same’ole Las Vegas bowl talent coming in.

            If this recruiting class was my date, I would not buy it dinner and I would make damn sure it was on some sort of birth control… cause Lord knows I wouldn’t want offspring from it.

          • angry angry says:
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            Bahaha.

            There are 4 great WR prospects in this class, though, if you’re being fair. Wynn is promising, too. Then there’s Darrly Jackson and Jabral Johnson. So, 8 good recruits.

            Yeah. Watch out Ducks.

        • angry angry says:
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          He really does love Clute.

          • JackBeav says:
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            I don’t know about loving him, but I do get irritated when people talk about him as if nobody in the state of Washington has any idea what they’re talking about in terms of football.

            Would we say the same things if Charlie Hopkins was one of our commits? Because Clute is a much better football player than Hopkins is at like positions. Hopkins would have maybe (MAYBE) made all-region second team if he hadn’t been hurt halfway through the 2010 season. But he did get to play against Mt. Spokane early on, and Clute and Sankey were the stars of that game (which Mt. Spokane won fairly easily).

            The problem with Clute is that he played FB and MLB before this year. He just likes to hit people. He became an H-back this year, and he showed that he can do the job with ease. Second team all-state in a state with Austin Sefarian-Jenkins and Jarett Finau isn’t too bad in my book.

          • JackBeav says:
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            P.S. The all-state rating is a hypothetical by prep writers in Washington who combined all classifications. Clute and AS-J were both first team in their classifications.

            Poyer is a prime example of the same mentality. I saw the kid play in high school, and I thought he was a spectacular football player. I was excited to get him at OSU, but a lot of people made fun of me for talking him up.

          • angry angry says:
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            I liked Poyer, too.
            Clute just seems…so…ordinary.

          • JackBeav says:
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            If 6’5″, 230# and a 4.65 40 are ordinary, then I want some. That time, btw, is from the only camp he went to last summer. Can you guess which one it was?

            He is such a violent player with such good football skills that scouts like him at OLB, MLB, DE, TE, FB and OT on the D-1 level.

  • mw2 says:
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    So are there any DB propects left?

    I guess we still have a shot with Earl Foster, although he’s a safety.

    Another year of Hardin is going to make me bleed internally, I just know it.

    • Warren says:
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      At least we don’t have to see #28 anymore!

    • OSU4Life says:
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      Hardin is playing the wrong position, he needs to be moved to safety or OLB. With Hardin playing CB, he is an easy 1st down, or easy 6 points, he NEVER turns his head to look for the ball!

      • mw2 says:
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        Why can’t they use Poyer is place of Hardin (I’d trust him more even tho he’s not a CB) and Reynolds to replace Dockery?

        Move Hardin back to safety with Mitchell

        • angry angry says:
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          Because Hardin has experience. lol

          Remember when Hardin couldn’t get on the field because he wasn’t vocal enough? Now he can’t get off the field unless he gives up a TD.

          Reynolds looked promising. Who is the nickle back in that scenario? Parker? Depth is a big issue at CB. It’s why Hardin will remain there.

          The only incoming DB is Larry Scott, who is listed as an “athlete” and mostly played WR in high school.

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            Hardin should be the nickle back really.

          • mw2 says:
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            I’m surprised Parker hasn’t transferred.

            Out of high school, he was touted for his speed, and he hasn’t even sniffed the field.

            Hopefully Rahmel Dockery commits soon to add depth in seconday, and to give another WR threat (yay!).

            I believe Marable played a little secondary in HS… same with Agnew.

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        Hardin being so bad at CB has a lot to with Banker. He gets a ton of PI penalties but that’s because Banker tells him not to look back for the ball. I feel Hardin wouldn’t be so bad if he actually a good coach. Don’t get me wrong he’s still not a good CB but having the coaches he does only makes him worse.

  • OSU4Life says:
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    Off topic, my apologies. But, regarding recruiting……. I would be happy if OSU recruited lots of speed on both sides of the ball! (I can’t believe I’m saying this, considering 10 years ago they were in the Big Sky,) But look at Boise State and how they recruit, and they style of football they play. They rarely get any recruit over a 3 star, yet they are fast, and play very well as a team, they are focused and play inspired. Their offense puts them in the best position to win games. Count how many seconds it takes for Kellen Moore to snap the ball and throw it, 3 maybe 4 seconds at most. He rarely gets sacked, not because he is extremely mobile, but because he gets rid of the ball before the pass rush can get to him. They also put up around 40 points per game. It’s hard to lose games if you score more points than the other team! They score that many points with lower ranked recruiting classes than OSU. This past year the only other D-1 football program that OSU is better than is Idaho. We lost to UW, WSU, uo, and Boise State. ouch!

    • OSU4Life says:
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      I meant “This past year the only other D-1 football program that OSU is better than IN THE NORTHWEST is Idaho. We lost to UW, WSU, uo, and Boise State.” oops.

    • angry angry says:
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      Boise State is the product of (a) a plan and (b) players taking on the personality of the head coach.

      Oregon State has no plan, and Riley is passive, so that’s how his players play. That’s all there is too it.

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        Amen to that, although it does not take much to beat up on the WAC year after year. Most of the WAC games were blow outs, so starters get rested, less injuries. The WAC was a perfect fit for Boise to rise nationally. Mountain West may be more of the same with Utah, BYU and TCU gone.

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      Boise State puts up 40 points a game in the WAC… doesn’t mean they will have same success if they play BCS schools more than twice a season.

      “I would be happy if OSU recruited lots of speed on both sides of the ball!”
      …..

      I would be happy if scantily-clad women drove into my driveway with Aston Martins and Ferraris, gave me the keys, then proceeded into my bedroom where they become even more scantily-clad.

      • JackBeav says:
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        Wouldn’t you worry about strangers being in your house while you were off driving?

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          See, I would already have the keys…. I could drive the cars after.

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            It follows that you would drive a car after you get the keys. What doesn’t follow is that you would ignore the cars for something you would probably get tired of after owning the cars for some time.

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        Do scantily-clad women exist in Oregon?

  • mw2 says:
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    Earl Foster, Justin Rogers, Keaston Walker, and Torian White should be the highest priorities for Riley right now….

    Although, Rogers and Walker may be ghosts, idk.

  • mw2 says:
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    HAHA JackBeav….

    You need to buy up some corner endzone season tickets and throw a bedsheet banner over the railing calling it “CLUTE CORNER” with you and your buddies wearing Clute’s jersey number, high-fiving eachother when he looks your way from the sidelines or when he grabs Joe H’s helmet for him… I think you’d develop a cult following and get profiled in the Barometer,.

  • OSU4Life says:
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    The Pac-12 North is going to be tough. Everyone in the North is getting better, and improving their recruiting and facilities. If OSU isn’t careful, we will be left behind in a cloud of dust! UW won’t stay down for long, Utah has great facilities, and their recruiting will improve moving to the Pac-12, Stanford is signing a top 15 recruiting class, Cal appears to be signing a top 15-20 class as well, and is improving their facilities, uo has the best owner in college athletics and went to the BCS championship game, and WSU, is improving their facilities and might even sign a better recruiting class than OSU.

    I’m not trying to be synical or negative, but it is what it is. OSU needs to complete Reser, increase their fanbase, improve its image (in more ways than one), take the program to new heights starting with another BCS Bowl, or Alamo/Holiday Bowls, and Market the program better!

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      Washington will be down for a long time. They only mustered 7 wins with Locker at QB. If they get Tate Forcier I’d be concerned, but their QB depth and experience are horrible. They also have bad character/academic issues.

      I’m not sold on David Shaw at Stanford. Stanford was successful because of Harbaugh’s attitude. Shaw won’t be able to be someone he’s not. Stanford also won’t have a QB like Andrew Luck in the next 20 years.

      Oregon is the main problem. They are going nowhere, and have all the cogs in their correct place. Hate to have to think this way, but I’m hoping the injury bug bites them–it’s the only thing that will slow ’em down.

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      Is that all?

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    Does anybody have any new recruiting information? Maybe some of the Beaver Blitz mombers could copy and paste the player interviews here and get more info. I know most of it’s crap but always interested in what the players have to say.

    Thanks in advance!

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    As far as the Tedford and Riley debate goes, let’s look at the comparison in recent years.

    2007 through 2010 Records

    Tedford Overall: 29-22 Conference: 17-19

    Riley Overall: 31-20 Conference: 23-13

    Best Tedford bowl in that time was the Emerald Bowl.

    Best Riley bowl in that time is the Sun Bowl.

    So prior to 2007 sure Tedford had the edge by a decent margin as far as records and success go but recently Riley has had more success.

    Tedford is the better recruiter but has trouble developing talent, especially at QB, where he was supposed to be a “QB Guru” .

    Also a knock on Tedford has to be his teams consistently underachieve. He has a great recruiting class but I still think Cal will ultimately underachieve for years to come.

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    I hope the staff offers a walk-on opportunity to Jordan Talley. He’s talented, and he’s a guy that truly loves OSU. Plus, it doesn’t hurt the Jesuit pipeline either.

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      He looks good, actually. Reminds me of Marshal Faulk…
      He put up similar numbers to Sankey, who is 4-stars, and I think he looks better on film.

      Would he be willing to walk-on given that he has scholarships? I doubt it…maybe a greyshirt deal.

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    He is an athlete and had great stats. He was being recruited by Boise State I believe.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    I love the entitlement some Beaver fans have. A program that once had 28 seasons of failure should be a little more humble, and a little more hungry for actual results. Instead, they take shots at guys like Tedford, who has actually gotten them to a halfway decent (Holiday) bowl and a #2 ranking, something OSU hasn’t enjoyed during Riley I and Riley II eras.

    Until OSU gets to a bowl game they should be spittin’ mad that they are a loser coming into the next season. Until OSU PLAYS in a Rose Bowl they shouldn’t shit on the Ducks. Until they get a #2 ranking again they shouldn’t shit on a coach that has managed despite “underachieving” to defeat our coaching staff in recruiting battles time and time again.

    Sorry, but if you mock Tedford, you’re a horse’s ass. Shit, we can’t even mock WSU because despite the fact they were the biggest loser this year they still kicked our ass. You need to respect your opponents until you’re actual in a position to dominate ALL of them…

    Beavers should demand actual, tangible progress instead of believing that they are some incredible force of nature because right now our efforts are laughable.

    Well said, Angry.

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    I’m not so sure OSU’s win/loss record over the last 3 or 4 years is indicative of the quality of the players on the team or of Riley’s recruiting ability or coaching ability.

    For one simple reason, no make that two simple reasons – the Rodgers brothers.

    Without them the OSU running game would have been non-existent and without a running game OSU’s offense would have been one dimensional and easier to defend against.

    Imo OSU’s wins over those years would have been cut in half without James and Quizz.

    As I recall James wasn’t being recruited by any big schools so being able to play in the Pac-10 looked pretty good to him.

    Imo Quizz fell in to Riley’s lap and he should get no credit for recruiting this great athlete.

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    Did you guys see Torian White “wants to be an actor”? He’s definitely going to pick an LA school in that case.

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    You know what will make this recruiting nad-punch even worse?… When we all find out that the better prospects in this class will fail to qualify.

    As Beaver fans, you all know it will happen…

    How the hell hard is it to pull in a damn 4-Star?!

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      Exactly. Last year’s class would have been a lot better if we kept Molesi. I guess he’s stashed away in Arizona right now and still in the mix for next year, but still…

      I haven’t heard any rumblings about NQs, though. I just want the dead period to arrive so we can keep what we have…big fear of mine is losing one of the 8 decent players we’ve landed.

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        I’ve not heard anything about NQ’s for who we have committed. Faitele Fa’afoi was almost surely one when I guess the Beavs abandoned his recruitment.

        Josh Williams still isn’t in… is he? But he was last year.

        UW loses Aubrey Coleman as a NQ, and Ma’ataua Brown has not taken the SAT yet. So there’s some NG going on somewhere.

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    I don’t know…I think having Tedford as my coach would be more frustrating than Riley. Tedford- especially over the past several years- has been shockingly inconsistent. Think of the many, many road losses to inferior teams, the many blowouts to conference opponents.

    By the numbers Cal has been doing OK, but their performance is just demoralizing. They don’t seem to have any mental toughness whatsoever.

  • angry angry says:
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    Lemar DeRego poached. Nice!

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      De Rego going elsewhere seemed awesome when we all thought we were still in it for the blue chippers… but now, who do we get to replace him? Another no-name player even worse than De Rego?

      No one of any significance wants to commit to OSU…

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        Oh man, good point. Slipped my mind we could actually get someone worse.

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          You know what I’ve been thinking that’s also funny….

          If a miracle occurs and Todd Peat chooses the Beavers, deprived fans will be jumping up and down proclaiming this to be a monster recruiting class, one of the best in OSU history….

          What it will really mean is that OSU got 6-9 potentially good recruits in the class instead of only 5-8 potentially good recruits… the rest of them are, well, the rest of them.

          Remember Simi Kuli?

          Just think if the Beavers would have closed on every blue chipper they came in 2nd or 3rd place for… now THAT would have been a stellar class.

  • OSU4Life says:
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    Will OSU be good in anything this year? We suck at football, we suck at basketball, we suck at recruiting, appear to be worse than whoregon in baseball (they’re ranked, we’re not). When will it end? Maybe OSU should change their colors to all black, it would be symbolic for the current state of OSU athletics.

    • mw2 says:
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      Women’s Gymnastics.

    • JackBeav says:
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      Nikegon is ranked higher than we are in baseball? They must have a stellar record, because I think we’re still undefeated.

      Or, to put it another way, fuck preseason rankings and the stupid people who create them.

      Or, to put it another way, play ball!

  • Beaveric says:
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    Angry, you mean “irrelevant conclusion”.

    Irreverent means lacking reverence.

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    oregon state should have signed keaston walker and gotten into the south area,,,,how stupid

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