23.Jan.2012 General Discussion

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Well, that was a fun few hours. I have a feeling the Kelly stuff isn't done, but for now it's time to move on. Heck, I almost want him to stay because it just highlights how archaic OSU is, and also how passive Riley is…it's good to be reminded of this every day because it builds pressure for change. That being said, part of me was glad to see Kelly go because it would be nice to beat Oregon again at some point. The schadenfreude argument has some merit. That I need to eat some crow today has some merit. That I'm going to move on for now yet still believe something stinks in Eugene has merit, too. 

That's all I have to say on that topic. Discuss anything you wish here. Chris Young's commit was glossed over. He's a good get. Hasty, too. Wallace has OSU in the lead still (pretty surprised at this one, actually). Caleb Smith set to decide soon, and he also received a 4th star from Rivals recently. In short, there's a lot going on with recruiting. Home stretch. If Riley can keep the class intact I'll be highly impressed. Right now, skeptical but optimistic.

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  • Joe_Avezzano says:
    January 23, 2012 at 9:23 am
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    I’ve got the phone right here but if Rob Mullens wants to make me wait as a negotiating ploy, well, two can play at that game.

    My mad skillz will transfer nicely to the UO program. Opponents will never see my “slow down” offense coming.

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    • Kenny Beaver says:
      January 23, 2012 at 10:12 am
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      Joe, you will not be coming back. The last time that you were here, you spent way too much time screwing the cheerleaders and not enough time doing game preparation. The only play that you know how to execute was the end around and that was up on Mary’s Peak with you know who. You are Persona Non Grata!

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    • mckalk says:
      January 23, 2012 at 10:54 am
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      Joe,
      I’m too lazy to find the link (SB Nation article), but you were selected as the worst coach in OSU history. No other way to slice 6-47-1. Don Read was the Duck pick.

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      • slamadam says:
        January 23, 2012 at 11:22 am
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        my dad was president of the portland beaver huddle for a few years when avezzano was head coach. he doesn’t have many nice things to say about him to say the least

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      • rsteve503 says:
        January 24, 2012 at 1:17 pm
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        My opinion is that Craig Fertig was the worst, because he took the high stature for the program that Andros had achieved, and ran it right into the fuuking ground. But once it was there, then Joe ran with it…lol.

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        • boycat says:
          January 24, 2012 at 7:27 pm
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          Andros had the luxury of picking up and carrying on with what Tommy Prothero had started, but after the Fred Milton incident in 1968-69 the program was headed straight down the loo. Enter Fertig, who had the misfortune to be a rat boarding a rapidly sinking ship. Avezzano IMHO knew how to coach (his career as a Dallas assistant attests to that), but what he didn’t know was how to recruit.

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  • sparkyd73 says:
    January 23, 2012 at 9:50 am
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    The Chris Young news is exciting. Does anyone have anything else from this weekend’s visits?

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  • ObjCritic says:
    January 23, 2012 at 9:55 am
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    A little background on Chris Young, former ****

    http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2012/01/23/recruiting-weekend-fallout/

    Pretty impressive.

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  • Kenny Beaver says:
    January 23, 2012 at 10:04 am
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    I can’t let this Chip Kelly thing go. I was so giddy last night that I could not sleep as I had visions of the Beavs beating the Ducks sooner rather than later. Now I feel the whole thing was a ruse to inflict cruel and unusual punishment on Beaver Nation. I am so sick to my stomach that I can’t eat breakfast. This situation points out how our program is so lackluster that the NFL won’t come after any of our coaches even if they have NFL and CFL experience. Riley never is named in any of the coaching searches which has to tell us something. We need an upgrade across the board or it is more years of losing to the Ducks.
    Who broke the mirror in Reser stadium and they are to blame for all of the bad luck. I know it was BDC!

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    • NCAA_viOlation says:
      January 23, 2012 at 10:15 am
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      Kelly has shown he’s willing to leave for the right price. Tampa didn’t offer the right price, but somebody will. Gotta think Chip was feeling pressure last night having this news break during the stretch run of the recruiting period. Pretty sure the Chip to NFL stories will start up again after letter of intent day. Remember, it’s a long off season…

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      • Jack says:
        January 23, 2012 at 10:19 am
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        I’m thinking his agent told him to hold off for a day or two. There’s still another job open where he might have a perennial pro-bowl QB running the show for years.

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        • BeaverFever says:
          January 23, 2012 at 11:05 am
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          Is it possible that he is gone and just won’t say anything until after the 2/1 deadline?

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          • Jack says:
            January 23, 2012 at 11:23 am
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            I doubt it. I think he’s either eyeing the Indy job, or he’s stuck at Nikegon until they are forced to fire him.

            It’s interesting that Tressel is now being mentioned for that job. The Irsays certainly don’t set the hiring bar too high.

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    • sparkyd73 says:
      January 23, 2012 at 10:15 am
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      Really? If Riley was offered an NFL job, BDC would double the extension on his existing contract.

      But seriously, even if OS won a National Championship next year, nobody is coming after Riley. He has clearly stated that this is dream job and he will retire from here. With some guys you could say that is just talk, but I fully believe that is Riley’s position.

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    • Jack says:
      January 23, 2012 at 10:16 am
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      You’re pathetic.

      Chip needs to stay so I can hear those words… show-cause.

      It will be a beautiful thing.

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      • Kenny Beaver says:
        January 23, 2012 at 10:28 am
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        Jack
        I think you are grasping at straws. All of the rumor outside of Beaver Nation is that there will be only minor infractions and I tend to agree with that. Ohio State had lots of info out there that could not be disputed. So did USC and Miami. There were players that came out publicly, early and often,about what happened. There have been no players at Oregon doing this and it has been over a year. Look at what happened at Auburn and they did not get any penalty. You can keep on wishing but I think that the impact is so small that we are still in for trouble as long as they have Kelly.

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        • Jack says:
          January 23, 2012 at 10:35 am
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          Naive much?

          tOSU self-reported in a hurry once things became apparent. Nikegon hid behind someone nick-named “The Cleaner.”

          Boise and USC ran away from the truth… ignored it… said there was nothing to see behind the curtain.

          UNC and South Carolina admitted all quickly and suffered light sanctions as a result.

          The Ducks will be beat down for multiple violations in multiple sports.

          If you doubt that, then you’re just ignoring life.

          And I want Chipster to be there when it all comes down. Nothing pisses me off more than a coward who runs away from his own actions.

          Well… maybe if that coward then runs to my favorite NFL team and proceeds to make them in the mold of his .500 NFL career.

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        • rsteve503 says:
          January 23, 2012 at 1:43 pm
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          One prominent sports blogger said Kelley WILL be fired…..that it is always the school who is the last to realize what has to be done.

          It has all died down while the NCAA does its investigation. That takes a long time. UO attempted to cover up the Lyles thing, by making a last second desperation request of Lyles to provide them with SOMETHING, anything, to show as paperwork for the 25k they paid him. Then they released it as the product of that payment,and it was outdated material. NCAA doesnt like coverups.

          The NCAA seems to be out for blood these days. I am making no prediction, but the duck fans wishing for mild sanctions are, I think, just whistling in the dark. We will see.

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    • mckalk says:
      January 23, 2012 at 10:17 am
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      You realize Riley’s NFL record was 14-34 in three seasons, right? He had his NFL HC chance and it ain’t coming around again even if he wanted it. Calm down, it’s just a game. I think it’s funny that Duck Nation collectively shit their pants for an evening. Now, they have to chew on the fact that Chippy is not a lifer.
      Look their program has been good to great for the last 25 years and you just have to learn to live with it. They most likely will never have a three win season again with their support and resources. The onus is on OSU to get back to at least being competitive now and then. That has nothing to do with Oregon.

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    • rsteve503 says:
      January 23, 2012 at 1:31 pm
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      LOL … punishment on BeaverNation?? I dont think UO worries much about us. Imagine how the Duck fans felt, hearing their genius coach was taking off.

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  • ObjCritic says:
    January 23, 2012 at 10:27 am
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    The odds of UO taking a serious step backwards, even if Kelly leaves, seems very slim. I could see some coach coming in having a forgettable, short go of it a la Rich Rod and Michigan, but such an individual would quickly be jettisoned and they’d get a better replacement. They have the resources, and attracting talented coaches, even if they have to find them like they did Chip, is NOT going to be a problem.

    We are back to the same old issues at OSU – how are Riley and staff going to improve off-season programs to get early season results (e.g. the first month of the season), learn to defend spread option teams, and make the CW competitive again? How are they going to get to an Alamo (now the Pac-12 #2 bowl right?) or Holiday bowl, and then the Rose? How is OSU going to improve the game-day atmosphere at Reser?

    The current staff doesn’t have answers to these questions.

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  • BeavMonkey says:
    January 23, 2012 at 10:27 am
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    Meh, I’m not in on the duck hate with what seems to be the rest of you. I mean I’m all for them getting sanctions if they broke rules but I’m not hoping they get the death penalty or anything…

    does everyone hate a successful rival or is it just us?

    Because that would make us sore losers.

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    • BeavsFan says:
      January 23, 2012 at 10:35 am
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      Every team’s fanbase root against their rival and hope they fail. It’s been like that for a long time. Not sure how that isn’t already known.

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      • BeavMonkey says:
        January 23, 2012 at 10:39 am
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        yeah, I mean the common people do…

        But usually, the slightly intelligent folks that watch tend to be less polarized in their opinion.

        As in they only root for other teams to lose when WE are playing against them. Perhaps we could learn from them instead of hating them so much… I mean they are obviously doing something right.

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        • Jack says:
          January 23, 2012 at 10:46 am
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          Who hates? Where are you getting this nonsense?

          It is what it is. In Nikegon’s case, “it” is sanctions soon to come. It’s just reality.

          I find your naivete to be the polar thinking undone here.

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        • mckalk says:
          January 23, 2012 at 10:49 am
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          Thanks, Gandhi!

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        • sparkyd73 says:
          January 23, 2012 at 11:25 am
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          BM, you are doing what I see alot of people doing that comment on these topics. I think you are losing sight of what a fans job is vs. what a coach/program needs to do. When it is all said and done, sports are entertainment for 99% of us, the other 1% either are getting paid for it or are nutjobs. So, “hating” your rival is all in fun. Again there are that .1% of nutjobs out there (like the Dodger fans that beat the crap out of the Giants fan last year) that truly HATE their rivals.

          You choosing to root for the Ducks when they face anyone other than the Beavs is fine for you, but don’t think you are elite because you have come to this way of thinking. Maybe rooting against the Ducks makes that game a little more entertaining for me, maybe joking with my Duck friends when thing are going bad for them is fun. “Hating” the Ducks doesn’t exclude me from being able to admire some of the things they do well, but regardless of how much I learn from that program down south it doesn’t change anything.

          That is the job of our coaches and administration, they are the ones with the power to change things. They are part of that 1% that doesn’t get to look at sports as entertainment. For them it is their livelihood and they don’t have the luxury to “hate” their opponents (although they should try to use that “hate” if they can gain an emotional advantage with the players). Their job should always be to learn from the successful programs and even those programs that are not successful.

          Why would you want to make every other fan live by your rules? Just enjoy the sport as the entertainment it is and let others do the same.

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          • BeavMonkey says:
            January 23, 2012 at 12:16 pm
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            I rarely ever root for the ducks and I was rooting against them in the Rose Bowl because I like Wisconsin.

            but I mean, how often do you get a team from your state in the National championship unless you’re in the SEC?

            not very often.

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          • presleydog says:
            January 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm
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            I hate everything about the U of O and hope they loose at every sport there is. If they had a ping pong team I would hope they lost.

            I’m hoping for some vicious santions for football and basketball, but honestly/realistically they probably get a slap on the wrist though its pretty obvious they were paying for players and SHOULD get lit up by the NCAA.

            For the most part the NCAA does little to punish even the biggest cheaters.

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      • Jack says:
        January 23, 2012 at 10:43 am
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        BM sees more than there is to see… except apparently the obvious violations Nikegon has committed across their whole athletic department.

        I’m not thrilled to see Duck apologists in Beav’s clothing. More appalling is the thought that only Beavs fans think sanctions are coming. What moron thinks this? EVERYONE EXCEPT DUCK FANS know that sanctions are coming. It’s a byline now.

        Wake up Duck fan.

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        • rsteve503 says:
          January 23, 2012 at 1:48 pm
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          Didnt Mike Bellotti say that he thought sanctions would come….

          ….and he should know what has gone on.

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    • Jack says:
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      I don’t care if they have success or not. And there is no “if” when it comes to them cheating.

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    • sparkyd73 says:
      January 23, 2012 at 10:45 am
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      I hate the Ducks, but that is not what fuels my wanting to see them get sanctions. I wanted to see USC get sanctioned and I grew up an SC fan (my dad was an SC Alumn). I just hate cheaters getting away with things because it just makes others want to give a try also and makes it harder for the clean programs to succeed. If UofO did minor infractions only, then give them minor sanctions. If they are proven to have done more, throw the book at them.

      One of the beauties of College Football is the rivalry aspect. Most fans hate their rivals as part of the fun. About being “sore losers”, I wouldn’t like UofO more if they went 0-11 next season.

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      • Jack says:
        January 23, 2012 at 10:47 am
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        Ok… so someone actually does hate the Ducks. I stand corrected.

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        • sparkyd73 says:
          January 23, 2012 at 11:03 am
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          “Hate” in this context is a funny word. I use it quite flippantly. I have more friends that are Duck fans than I do Beaver fans. I say I hate the Ducks, but the reality is that I very rarely ever go out of my way to read anything or spend any time actively “hating” the Ducks. But, I certainly get more of a tickle out of their program experiencing pain. Probably as much as anything because it gives me the opportunity to jab my friends a little.

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          • mckalk says:
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            I like elite college football programs to fall on their asses once in awhile. It’s good for their fans to get just a small taste of the hell-hole that was OSU football for 28 years. It builds character. It seems like ever since the scholarship limits went in to effect, the playing field has evened out just enough that some of the big schools feel the pressure to cheat in order to keep their edge. I don’t want Alabama to be like their were under Mike Shula every year, but I like it to happen just enough to burst their bubble now and then.

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        • GreatWhiteHunter says:
          January 24, 2012 at 3:35 pm
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          Count me in, if we’re counting now.

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    • mckalk says:
      January 23, 2012 at 10:47 am
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      “Sore losers”…I haven’t heard that since junior high. I think it’s fun to hate other teams, it makes the games fun if you are not into gambling. You wouldn’t last long in the SEC…. I righteous anger cleanses the soul!

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    • BeavMonkey says:
      January 23, 2012 at 10:51 am
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      I’m not exactly a duck fan any more than I am a UCLA fan or any random team for that matter, but the sanctions aren’t the matter.

      They may have committed multiple violations across their athletic department, but they have also made ingenious decisions across their athletic department. sure, breaking rules gets you punished. I’m just wondering why everyone is hoping that they get such a rough penalty.

      I’m just wondering why we are hoping the ducks get thrown under a bus. I mean them going from top to bottom won’t make us any better except by one standing. I doubt Riley will get any of the fallout that is worth a damn.

      And you’re right. I wouldn’t get along well in the SEC. I am not white, and I am an agnostic. Both things that are not welcome in those areas.

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      • mckalk says:
        January 23, 2012 at 10:58 am
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        I was referring to the fan enthusiasm/mental illness towards their rivals in the SEC. Pretty much set from birth that you hate your rival. Weird, thing though they all bond together over SEC pride during bowl season.

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      • brownale9000 says:
        January 23, 2012 at 1:16 pm
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        “I’m just wondering why we are hoping the ducks get thrown under a bus. I mean them going from top to bottom won’t make us any better except by one standing.”

        Their cheating kept us out of 2 Rose Bowl games and cost us one Rose Bowl win.

        Isn’t that enough?

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  • Kenny Beaver says:
    January 23, 2012 at 10:36 am
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    I will admit that I am a sore loser and tired of the Ducks winning so much. The last 2 years have been brutal. If they win the CW at Reser this year and go to a good bowl, I will throw up in my seat!

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  • silverstream055 says:
    January 23, 2012 at 10:44 am
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    “Home stretch. If Riley can keep the class intact I’ll be highly impressed. Right now, skeptical but optimistic.”

    Agreed.

    BDC and Riley have made clear that it’s going to be status quo in all other areas of the program so long as they are in charge (that is, no significant changes in coaching staff, schemes, etc.) So the only way that OSU football is going to improve — near term — is through better recruiting. Fingers crossed that this promising class of recruits stays more or less intact thru signing day….

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  • Kenny Beaver says:
    January 23, 2012 at 10:59 am
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    Jack you make grandious statements when someone questions you and you never provide any facts to back up your assertion.
    “The Ducks will be beat down for multiple violations in multiple sports.” Where did you get this? Show us something to make us believe that you know something that the rest of the world doesn’t.

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    • Jack says:
      January 23, 2012 at 11:07 am
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      Look… we live in a world where Penn State was celebrated early last year as a program that had never had any major violations… a world that thought Joe Pa self-reporting his stopping to watch his players work out while he was walking between buildings was just a novelty.

      Your Ducks will be hit hard.

      Live with it.

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      • Kenny Beaver says:
        January 23, 2012 at 11:11 am
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        Jack, just as we all thought. “Blow Hard”. Nice try but you failed to convince anyone that you know what you are talking about with that response. We ask for some data and you gave us crap. Want to give it another try? And stop trying to play the troll card, big baby.

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  • Kenny Beaver says:
    January 23, 2012 at 11:15 am
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    Jack, that is strike two. One more and you are out. Come on Man Up and admit you are not the not it all that you profess to be.

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  • Kenny Beaver says:
    January 23, 2012 at 11:22 am
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    OK Jack, that is the third response where you did not provide data to back up your assertion noted above. Strike Three You are OUT. You are now off the Varsity and being demoted to JV. Hit the showers. To make it back up to the Varsity you need to hand in all of your homework and remember to show all of your work. Your posts from now on will be titled “speculative at best”.

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    • Jack says:
      January 23, 2012 at 11:26 am
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      I thought I was clear. Poor sports metaphors are for the birds.

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    • sparkyd73 says:
      January 23, 2012 at 11:36 am
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      Is Jack now being paid for his posts? If he is, I think I will start spending more time doing research so I too can get paid for my workbreaks.

      Seriously, I have seen Jack come up with some very interesting info since I’ve been reading this blog. Sometimes, he has been able to “scoop” the professionals. But, ultimately this is a free fan site, everything that you see on here should be thought of as “speculative”. You judge the degree of speculation based on the number of times that they are correct vs. the number of times they fall flat.

      Either way, it is not his JOB to provide you detail of how he knows what he knows. If you don’t believe him, that is cool, it will eventually be resolved when the NCAA decides to rule.

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  • Occupy Angry Beav says:
    January 23, 2012 at 11:42 am
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    Jackie what makes you think the duckies aren’t playing ball with the NCAA. Just cause The Cleaner keeps “know it all’s” in the dark doesn’t mean your right. Lawyers don’t like to share their defense.

    Keep up the Smartest Guy in the room act going though, someone may belive?

    Anyway, back to recruiting talk people and let the duckies worry about their problems. We have enough of our own.

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    • beavers4life says:
      January 23, 2012 at 2:18 pm
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      If you have to have a lawyer to defend you, then to me that screams guilty.

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      • beavers4life says:
        January 23, 2012 at 6:06 pm
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        I should clarify my statement. What I mean by that is when a person needs to spend top dollar for a “Brilliant Lawyer” vs. getting a reasonably priced lawyer to defend you, then that tells me that you are worried about your case and you’re paying your lawyer top dollar to make sure they have an idea of what the prosecution side will say if taken to court. Now, with the NCAA, they are NOT the judicial system. They are in charge of keeping order in the Collegiate world to make sure that everyone follows a set of rules/guidelines to the letter. When guidelines are broken, such as allowing your top donor to be a part of the hiring, firing, and recruiting process, that is a direct violation in the eyes of the NCAA. That is the only one I know for a fact that is going on, but why it took the NCAA so long to look at this case? You give people slack on the leash/reigns, they will see how far you can go before they yank on that leash. That’s EXACTLY what U$C did and Oregon is doing. Don’t compare Auburn in this mix because that is different. That was a 1 time deal involving 1 player…not the entire Athletic Department. You can compare tOSU and U$C though. They demonstrate recruiting violations and 2 different types of punishments. If Oregon keeps playing the “innocence until proven guilty” card….they will have another thing coming because the NCAA is not part of the Legal system. They are a part of something else entirely that does not involve judges…unless you call the investigative board members the “Detectives” and the “prosecutors” are the ones who are defending the NCAA, and the “jurors” are the same people that are the “Detectives”. Hmmmmmm….

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    • rsteve503 says:
      January 24, 2012 at 2:10 pm
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      Because they didnt, from the start. When the story broke, they didnt just fess up to the NCAA, they fired off a desperate request to Lyles to shoot them something on paper…so they would have something to show for the 25k they had paid him. This is an attempt to cover up what was really going on. What that is, we dont really know, but it wasnt for normal recruiting services. And anything else, is illegal.

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  • Kenny Beaver says:
    January 23, 2012 at 11:43 am
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    It is not a job to provide details if you have them. He doesn’t seem to be able to show us anything and until he does, he will remain Blow Hard Jack. (Not that I want any proof that he can blow hard)

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    • Jack says:
      January 23, 2012 at 11:51 am
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      You’re just being silly now.

      Go regroup and come back with something even slightly biting. The world doesn’t appreciate your weak slant.

      Maybe can come back as something other than a Duck troll. It would require at least a third grade education. But we can wait for you.

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      • Kenny Beaver says:
        January 23, 2012 at 11:56 am
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        Blow Hard Jack, when asked to produce you can’t . That is a fact so far. You are the true definition of weak.

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        • Jack says:
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          Nice comeback. I stand in awe of your supremacy.

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          • Jack says:
            January 23, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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            Are you going to say something about sticks and stones or rubber and glue now?

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            • Jack says:
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              Because that would certainly devastate me.

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              • Kenny Beaver says:
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                Blow Hard Jack, if you can’t produce then we will understand. We can see that your inflated ego has taken a beating. You probably have suffered enough for one day. Take a break and tell your cat how smart you are. It may believe you, but that is speculative.

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              • jasonthebeaver says:
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                Really Jack, you seem to thrive on conflict. Even when someone is wrong you point out their mistake in such an abrasive way. Just chillax man!
                In the past few months what is the most common thread of arguments on angrybeavs that blow up into something ridiculous? It’s Jack.
                Come on man!

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  • BeaverBill says:
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    Here is an article stating Chip is not going to the NFL. Haven’t had time to read through yet to see if already posted:

    http://www2.registerguard.com/cms/index.php/duck-football/comments/source-chip-kelly-changes-his-mind-will-stay-at-oregon/

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  • Jack says:
    January 23, 2012 at 12:02 pm
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    I love troll season!

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    • Kenny Beaver says:
      January 23, 2012 at 12:23 pm
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      Now we know why some people say Corvallis is racist, It is because people like you post that crap. Take a bow Blow Hard Jack for being an imbecile.

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      • Jack says:
        January 23, 2012 at 12:36 pm
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        Sorry….

        I apologize to the whole race of trolls for my un-PC language.

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        • Kenny Beaver says:
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          There is nothing un-PC about it as it showed your true colors.

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          • Jack says:
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            I get it… you don’t like that trolls even have a season.

            My poor… true… colors?

            Wait… what the hell are you talking about now numb-nuts?

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            • Kenny Beaver says:
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              Blow Hard Jack, don’t play ignorant about being outed. People like you give a bad name to OSU.
              Enough said.

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              • Jack says:
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                Wow… you really take this troll thing seriously.

                I have to complement your dedication, stupid as it is.

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              • Jack says:
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                Here you go. When words escape you (as I’m sure they do far too often in your pathetic life), you can always turn to your life story.

                Your faux sanctimony about trolls garners one.

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              • Jack says:
                January 23, 2012 at 1:35 pm
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                Kenny,
                I’m getting bored with you, and I’m sure others are just annoyed at this point.

                Besides, trolling is a art, and you got no soul.

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                • Gman says:
                  January 23, 2012 at 4:29 pm
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                  Actually, we are annoyed with you Jack. If you don’t have something constructive to add to this site, then please, I’ll show you the exit.

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                • Jack says:
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                  A little late to the party Gman.

                  You’re the only one reliving KB’s stupidity, which is hours old now. Go back and look at his contributions, and you will find nothing nice about OSU. According to him, OSU sucks at everything, and football is all that matters. But even that doesn’t matter, because OSU sucks at that too. The campus sucks… Corvallis sucks… there’s just a lot of suck coming from KB.

                  And then he has the balls to go all Duck Love and play the “hear no evil” card on Nikegon’s impending doom?

                  If it walks like a Duck and talks like a Duck….

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      • WFO says:
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        holy shit what the fuck are you babbling about?

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  • slamadam says:
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    your’e far from the only one who needs to eat crow today, angry. as far as chip’s concerned i really can’t say that i’m all that suprised. he’s got a pretty nice gig all things considered, and he has to know he’ll have other chances in the future. guys like him (no prior nfl experience, offense style still unproven at that level) have a very limited opportunity to succeed before they’re canned and deemed not capable of being a head coach in the nfl. riley is a decent example, the big difference between he and chip though is that as soon as his nfl head coaching time is over he’ll take over a traditional powerhouse in the ncaa and riley stuck around as an assistant. it’s possible too that he’s also aware of how bad pete carroll looked because of the timing in which he left sc and wants to avoid coming across as a slimey doucher. who knows.

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  • Beav05 says:
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    What’s left for recruiting? We have 24 commits of which, 3 are soft (Shelton, Wallace and Smith) and one possible silent(Lawler).

    Do we pick up anyone else? Sounds like we are just holding on for now. Any of the commits a possible academic casualty?

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    • Jack says:
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      NU boards rumored Shelton to be an academic casualty. I’m not sure what their angle was though. It felt like they were preparing to soften the blow should he not choose them, but that was in the middle of his visit there. Last I heard, he was good for grades with just spring classes to pass.

      This is just a nice class.

      Did I see that Saulo was already enrolled? I know angry isn’t impressed by him, but I like his game.

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  • Kenny Beaver says:
    January 23, 2012 at 12:16 pm
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    For everyone but Blow Hard Jack.
    The stock market closes in 45 minutes and will have a run up in the closing hour in case anyone wants to make some money today.

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    • progressivebeav says:
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      Go away.

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    • Jack says:
      January 23, 2012 at 12:22 pm
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      Since I’m not talking to Jack, can someone tell him that I’m not talking to him?

      I guess I shouldn’t have bought those CHK stocks last Friday. Poor me.

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    • rsteve503 says:
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      LOL …. Kenney, you seem to have a problem. I actually scanned thru your almost endless requests for Jack to supply you with all the info on the UO potential violations, and if he didnt, he was a “blowhard”. This subject occupied a bunch of long threads, way last spring when the Lyles story really got going. Jack did supply a lot of info, but no one can give any “proof”, as it is all in the form of second hand incidents. Go back and read up.

      There seems to be stuff in both basketball and football. So I agree with Jack. It doesnt look good for them. And remember that the NCAA doesnt have to prove anything.

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    • angry says:
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      Robo-trading

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  • slamadam says:
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    recruiting question- it sounds like this is shaping up to be a great class, though i try not to follow the recruits a whole lot until they actually make it to corvallis. (still waiting on that paea kuli suh defensive front) i wanted to specifically ask about chris miller though. i remember at the time he committed angry said he was a zero star guy who i’m pretty sure didn’t have any other offers, at least not in the pac 12. i watched the film posted and to me at least he looked pretty damn impressive at safety. (his rb highlights didn’t impress me so much) so i was left thinking he could be a great diamond in the rough. more recently though i see in an osu recruiting update from the oregonian that he was a three star. is that inaccurate or did his stock dramatically rise?

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  • NCAA_viOlation says:
    January 23, 2012 at 12:50 pm
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    Angry, can you make a separate blog entry for Kenny and Jack to go “play” in so they don’t completely destroy the comments section of this post with garbage? Seriously guys, quit wasting everybody’s time, including your own.

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  • progressivebeav says:
    January 23, 2012 at 12:52 pm
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    It’s a great day to be a Beaver!

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  • HopefulBeav says:
    January 23, 2012 at 1:38 pm
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    I like this class a lot like everybody else does, but for me the icing on the cake would be if we land Hasiak at OG. He seems like the type of guy that could play on the offensive line immediately next year. If that were the case we’d have 3/5 starting o-lineman rated as 4-5 star players (Hasiak, Seumalo, Philipp), plus a healthy Josh Andrews (our most aggressive blocker last year). That would quite the upgrade from two years ago when we had four walk-on players starting and last year when we had three walk-ons.

    Call me naive, but I really think if we can put a solid offensive line on the field next year a lot of people will be surprised by the Beavers. I’m hoping within the next year or two there will actually be legitimate competition for the five offensive line spots and not simply a who-sucks-the-least competition.

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    • Mud&Sticks says:
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      Saying that “everybody” likes this class a lot is making a wrong assumption.

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      • beaverkman says:
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        I think many people like this class a lot better than in the past years for sure. This kinda of class is where the program should average, in my opinion. It’s probably the best class in the Riley era, maybe the first year back was slightly better (although it didn’t produce in the end once the players qualified or didn’t qualify). I do like this class, IF they hold onto everybody, and I am like Jack a bit pleasantly surprised by it.

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      • HopefulBeav says:
        January 23, 2012 at 4:05 pm
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        Are you serious? The class is ranked #28 right now and I believe somebody else said Riley has never even had a class in the top 40 before this. If Lawler and Hasiak commit then that’s two more four star recruits. This class is stacked with offensive lineman and defensive backs, two spots we badly need depth at. Do I wish we had more DT’s? Sure. But at least the vast majority of these guys are legitimate D1 players and not “projects” that we may or may not see three or four years from now.

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      • sparkyd73 says:
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        Mud & Sticks, I gotta believe that you are just a joy to be around at a party. Good grief man, why would you still be a Beaver fan if you can’t even allow yourself to “like” this recruiting class. Thank you for spreading your cheer.

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  • SadBeaver says:
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    Man, I feel like I got hit with a ton of bricks today. What a letdown seeing my 49′er give the superbowl birth away through mental mistakes, and then the Kelly news reversing. Hoping these recruits are better news then it feels like right now.

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    • Jack says:
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      Both Harbaugh losses were tough. It’s too bad. I would rather see Baltimore against the Niners than the snooze-fest it will be.

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      • StarcraftSquall says:
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        Glad to see the 49ers have been outed, that team has absolutely no class. They were yelling Merry Christmas! at Seahawks coaches after winning in week 16 and their players were picking fights with the fans. They are quickly becoming the new Raiders, the difference is they actually play football.

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  • Jack says:
    January 23, 2012 at 2:05 pm
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    Sweet! More swagger please!
    https://twitter.com/#!/C_Noland02/status/161267422974844928

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  • helmsley says:
    January 23, 2012 at 2:16 pm
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    I just skimmed the posts – Kenny& Jack, not so much – I can’t believe no one suggested that PK might have had something to do with CK’s decision to stay at UO. Match Tampa Bay money? I guess I’m the only paranoid one.

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  • SadBeaver says:
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    Maybe Chip got a call from Dungy and that the Indy job will be taken after the signing day… guess we will see.

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    • Jack says:
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      Someone dropped Tressel’s name for that job, and Indy fan had a fit for a couple hours about the denigration he would be as their coach. That was quick. No Tressel for them.

      I think Kelly would be a great fit for Indy with his speed game. He likely wouldn’t take his offense to the NFL, since it would have too many of his players leaving the field on stretchers. But his mentality as a coach is perfect for the pros. And he would definitely eschew the huddle. Manning does so as much as he can already, and I imagine Luck would buy in as well.

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  • NCAA_viOlation says:
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    OT- I’m watching Dan Patrick’s show on tv right now. Haven’t seen the guy in quite some time because I don’t normally like his show, but from what I’m watching right now, it sort of looks like the guy is going through the early stages of Parkinson’s disease. Is this common knowledge and I’m just late to find out?

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    • Jack says:
      January 23, 2012 at 2:34 pm
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      You’re not the first to notice this. I’ve heard rumors since last summer, but nothing official has been released from his camp.

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  • KC says:
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    Doesn’t this usually mean a commit on the way: https://twitter.com/#!/Coach_Riley/status/161547553878450177

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  • silverstream055 says:
    January 23, 2012 at 4:15 pm
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    Angie Machado is reporting that Isaac Seumalo confirmed that he will sign with the Beavers on February 1.

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    • silverstream055 says:
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      https://twitter.com/#!/angiemachado1

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      • BeavsFan says:
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        Just as I predicted. If the Beavers hold on to Shelton this recruiting class is gonna be looking real good.

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        • NCAA_viOlation says:
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          Nice work on that prediction.

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        • Mud&Sticks says:
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          Real good as in 7th out of 12? If that’s really the case then perhaps “real good” for a bottom dweller but not much more than that.

          Let’s evaluate this class when they’re actually enrolled and on campus and then again when this class is in its senior year.

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          • Beavergopher says:
            January 23, 2012 at 5:18 pm
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            Don’t be a stick in the mud, Mud and Sticks. It is a pretty good group. Please allow us to have our brief moment of optimism.

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          • GoBeavs90 says:
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            28th recruiting class and there is a chance it can be a top 25 class. Haven’t heard about academic “casualties”. You can look at it as they’re being 7th out of 12 teams in recruiting rankings or you can look at it as they’re nearly a top 25 recruiting class. I don’t care who you are, a top 25 recruiting class is pretty. Would be the best ranked recruiting class in program history I believe. Feels like you’re unnecessarily negative.

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            • GoBeavs90 says:
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              25 class is pretty good*

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            • Mud&Sticks says:
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              How in the hell can they have a top 25 recruiting class and still be 7th out of 12 in the Pac-12? Let’s see, we have the ACC, the SEC, the Big 10 (or is it 11), etc., etc.

              Tell me what you’re smoking I’d like to get some of that. Who needs reality anyway!

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              • GoBeavs90 says:
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                Pac-12 programs are having a great year when it comes to recruiting. Beavers are 6th now and the Pac-12 has 5 teams in the top 20 in recruiting class rankings. Beavers are 27th, 1 ahead of Utah.

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                • beavers4life says:
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                  I’m wondering if the new Pac-12 TV deal has any part in it? All games will be televised nationally. That’s a good sell to recruits and their families who can’t make it to every home/road game! :)

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              • Beavergopher says:
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                The six with higher rankings would also be in the top 25. You can have the 10th rated class in the nation and be the only the fifth best in the SEC.

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  • beaverkman says:
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    Caleb Smith will enroll in Spring term into Oregon State!

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  • brownale9000 says:
    January 23, 2012 at 5:24 pm
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    “Let’s evaluate this class when they’re actually enrolled and on campus and then again when this class is in its senior year.”

    I agree.

    No need to be negative yet with the comments like ’7th out of 12′ and ‘good for a bottom dweller’.

    On paper, this is our best recruiting class ever. I’m not sure why everything needs a negative slant.

    *meant for Mud & Sticks above.

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    • Mud&Sticks says:
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      7th out of 12 in the Pac-12 is how Rivals is rating them. Can’t move up very far in the standings if you don’t recruit top notch kids.

      OSU was the door mat for years and I’d just as soon they didn’t return to that status.

      Fans are living in fantasy land if they think OSU can compete with the ‘ucks, Trojans, etc. on a consistent basis with recruiting classes ranked like that (7th out of 12).

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      • sparkyd73 says:
        January 23, 2012 at 7:37 pm
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        6th out of 12 is actually where it is. Those are the same ratings agencies that ranked D. Shelton a **** and on another site he is rated a **. But let’s throw in the towel and hang our heads. M&S, do you really think that a 28th rated class is a guaranteed 6th place finish in 3 yrs? Your negativity is as silly as the those polyannas that think that the highest ranked class in the Riley era guarantees a Rose Bowl. Enjoy the moment, it is a very solid class for a team that has had 2 losing seasons in a row. If your expectations are that the Beavers should have a top 5 recruiting class right now, you are an idiot.

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        • brownale9000 says:
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          “Your negativity is as silly as the those polyannas that think that the highest ranked class in the Riley era guarantees a Rose Bowl.”

          People who think that: population zero.

          I love these straw man arguments.

          Nobody. Not even Mike Riley thinks that this class means we’re guaranteed a Rose Bowl.

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      • brownale9000 says:
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        “OSU was the door mat for years and I’d just as soon they didn’t return to that status.”

        I’d prefer that we avoided doormat status as well.

        Bitching and moaning about the best recruiting class we’ve ever had doesn’t help.

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      • rsteve503 says:
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        M&S. … God, man, you are missing a big point. The last two years and exp last year, we SUCKED. Getting even a decent recruiting class is a sign of the coaches working harder on that aspect. Hope for the future.

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        • SadBeaver says:
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          Why the sudden change of heart rsteve503. You were one of the biggest pessimists until the last few days. I welcome the change, but did you get a piece of news that changed your tune a bit? I like the class, and any improvement is good in my mind. Although that will not probably hasten any coaching change.

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          • rsteve503 says:
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            Well, when the bb team went to 1-5, it really got to me. Now my mood has recovered a bit. I stopped kicking the dog, and yelling at everyone. And reading that our recruiting class doesnt look bad, and in comes that damn devil…hope!

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    • angry says:
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      It’s the best class right now. Let’s see if they can close.

      Agree there is no need to be negative about the class.

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  • BeaverFever says:
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    We have competed with them with far worse classes. Not the last couple of years obviously. If you don’t think this class is impressive then you don’t know what your talking about. Our classes will always be ranked lower because we are not highly regarded. Recruits choose us and their ranking drops immediately.

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  • BeaverFever says:
    January 23, 2012 at 7:26 pm
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    Cal has had some of the best recruiting classes over the past several years and how has that worked?

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  • angry says:
    January 23, 2012 at 7:55 pm
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    I was out all day, just got home. I see a lot of posts about guys bickering. Guys who are bickering–just stop bickering. Nobody is going to “win” the internet. Ever.

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    • jasonthebeaver says:
      January 23, 2012 at 7:57 pm
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      Shit, Dad’s back, everyone behave.
      See what happens when you leave us alone for too long?

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      • angry says:
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        I remember watching elf porn in the 90s, with the tagline “when Santa’s away, the elves come out and play”.

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        • BeaverFever says:
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          Really, “I remember watching elf porn…”. Sounds like the beginning of a suicide note. How am I the first to comment on that?

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  • angry says:
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    Nice, some big names reaffirmed their commitments. Missed the live notifications, but I’m still not buying a smart phone.

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  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Rumors of Kelly going to the NFL woke me from hibernation. Then I just wanted to go back to sleep. But then the thought came to me that since Riley and Kelly have become such good friends would it be too much to ask that WHEN Kelly bolts for the colts that he take Riley with him to be the QB coach?

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    • mckalk says:
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      I forgot that they are buddies now…Riley probably shared his NFL experiences with Chipster and talked him out of it….why go through all of that hassle in the NFL when you can stay here and bit the shit out of my program for the rest of this decade.

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  • NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Cyril Noland is trying to recruit OSU twitter users to follow Kenny Lawler and convince him to come to OSU. If you check out Lawler’s page, there are already quite a few WSU fans doing the same.

    Cyril Noland
    @C_Noland02 Cyril Noland
    Attention: Beaver Nation, PLEASE help me bring in @K_Law2nice ! GOOO FOLLOW!!
    4 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone

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  • ObjCritic says:
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    Angry – I have a suggestion for a future topic that is spurred by the overall (apparent) success of this recruiting class (DT excepted), and that is, what is wrong with OSU’s off-season programs and how do insightful posters here suggest it be improved. I pose this question for two reasons:

    1) Empirically, OSU has been unable to turn the the extra practices associated with bowl practices into improved player development/performance the subsequent season. Even with the extra bowl practices of say, a Sun Bowl, OSU would generally come out the next season and go 1-3, maybe 2-2 to start the season. These early season losses end up costing OSU in bowl placement at the end of the year. As a program, the coaches and players never seem to take the “pre-season” seriously. Its easy to say that OSU tends to put at least one tough opponent on the pre-conference schedule, but at some time, as experience accrues, a program ought to be able to prepare for those games and at least make them competitive, and go 3-1 once in a while.

    2) This is shaping up to be one of OSU’s better classes in sometime. There was no bowl game from this season. How did OSU get a solid recruiting class in the absence of a bowl game and the appearance of success? Sell players on the potential of early playing time? Was it that OSU had more time to recruit BECAUSE there was no bowl? I want to know why OSU can’t recruit when it has moderate success?

    Both of these deficiencies have, in my mind, kept OSU from reaching the next levels – a second place bowl, and obviously, a rose bowl. Therefore, they seem like obvious, programmatic areas to improve. Why can’t OSU solve their own riddle here? Why can’t they come out at least in the second game of the season, looking like they’ve had both spring and fall camps? Riley promised to “evaluate everything we do” after this dismal season. I took his statement as shallow rhetoric, and am unconvinced he’s going to do an objective, systematic evaluation of his program. The theme of the season seemed to be “its the players fault,” and more specifically “its the young players’ faults.”

    This class is encouraging, now that OSU has a solid class, I’d like to know how they can capitalize better on the experience of last year’s youngsters and this year’s talent.I suspect SilverStream and others have ideas.

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    • angry says:
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      With regard to #2, I think it’s because Riley feels the heat and turned up his recruiting effort. Beavs have playing time to sell, too.

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    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Good post, ObjC, I would add a third item to your list: Are there things which should change with the conditioning program which would increase the stamina of players while reducing the incidence of injuries? Is the new trainer having a significant impact on the off season activities?

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  • ObjCritic says:
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    On Skotte, this film makes me feel a little better, though I still wonder about the level of competition and how that translates to Pac-12 play. He also sounds like an injury machine in Buker’s summary. Maybe he puts on 20 pounds and is serviceable at Pac-12 level?

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/01/oregon_state_recruiting_a_snap_2.html

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    • angry says:
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      A few guys here love Skotte.
      I can’t get into the signing.

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      • ObjCritic says:
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        If BeavMonkey is accurate, its seems like a strategically poor offer considering the needs of this class. I was hoping the interest of Air Force and Boise State indicated something – they seem to have discplined, good-tackling lb’s, if not the fastest guys around.

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    • BeavMonkey says:
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      He has good size. Won’t need to add massive amounts of size.

      Might need to get faster. I doubt the guys in HS in bend are anything close to the players in the Pac-12.

      To be honest, he does not come in ready to play, and post redshirt year plus spot duties RS fr/So year, I think he will be serviceable Junior and Senior year. That is the optimistic view.

      But for the complainers…There are players like Skotte, and then there are real wastes of scholarships. Skottes aren’t the problems. the problems are the players we recruit who don’t learn anything for 4 years and end up costing 1 scholarship with nothing to show.

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    • orangejulius says:
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      I’m not particularly sold on this kid either, but, the level of competition has been solid, for the state of Oregon. I mean the same argument could be used against Seaumalo, they both play OSAA 5A. And Skotte’s team played longer and against the better 5A teams this year, winning the 5A championship.

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  • ObjCritic says:
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    Curious if Chris Young stays at safety or if the plan is to move him to LB? If he stays at safety, it seems like OSU is going to be able to field some fast, effective LB and S combos next year.

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  • matt b says:
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    Can Riley learn a lesson from Harbaugh and Bellichek? They sometimes play guys both ways in order to keep the best or most physical players on the field. Everyone here agrees that the Beavers need more physical dts. The scouts all agree that Isaac is great on both sides of the ball and has excellent stamina. How about using him as a situational substitution as a dt in short yardage and goal line in addition to starting at og? Heck, in the Under Armour game he was the best ot on the field for either side.

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    • ObjCritic says:
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      They are apparently considering implementing some wildcat packages for Poyer this spring, something I have been hoping for for over a year now. Poyer apparently wanted to run it this past season, and Riley wouldn’t do it, but indicated a willingness to put in some packages in spring ball.

      I also like Wynn as a fullback to block occasionally – I think he could be devastating in that role.

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      • silverstream055 says:
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        Agree about Wynn. I’d love to see the Beavers use Wynn as a lead blocking fullback in short yardage situations.

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        • Beavergopher says:
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          That would take creativity. Danny don’t do creative! Last new thing was the fly sweep in 07. I loved some of the Stanford sets with what seemed like a QB, a RB, and the rest O-line/Big TE’s. We haven’t done the real physical inside running since Bernard.

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        • capitalcause says:
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          I’d too like to see Wynn at fullback on occasion based on his HS film…He killed it at guard and fullback in short yardage..and he did it with a snarl..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwSm1OE71ps fast forward to 2:15

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  • silverstream055 says:
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    If one accepts the team recruiting rankings published by Rivals (a big “if”), Oregon State (at #27) had a more successful recruiting year than Arkansas (#29), Mississippi State (#30), Nebraska (#34), Oklahoma State (#37), Penn State (#39), Iowa (#41), Mississippi (#42), Michigan State (#45) and Wisconsin (#46). Pretty good!

    A big part of this — I suspect — is the increasing prominence of the PAC-12 under Larry Scott (including the new, lucrative media deals). Five PAC-12 teams made Rivals’ Top 20 (Cal #12, Stanford #16, USC #17, UCLA #18, Oregon #19). Ten PAC-12 schools made Rivals’ Top 50. A rising tide appears to be lifting all PAC-12 boats.

    But why did OSU do better in recruiting this year than six other PAC-12 schools (at least according to Rivals)? I’m guessing it’s a combination of increased time and effort by Riley and his staff (undistracted by bowl game preparation and motivated by pressure to move past a dismal 2011 season), the promise of early playing time for top recruits, and the fact that OSU did actually put a lot of young players on the field this past season (which gives credibility to OSU promises of early playing time). The unsettled coaching situations at ASU, AZ, and Washington State also hurt recruiting at those schools, and thereby probably helped all the other PAC-12 schools, including the Beavers.

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    • HopefulBeav says:
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      The better recruiting could also have to do with a lot of the promising looking young players that played last year (especially Mannion on offense). It’s probably nice for an offensive player at any position to be able to already know who his QB will be for the next few years. Likewise on defense guys may be excited about playing with high energy guys like Wynn, Crichton, and Welch for the next couple of seasons. Whatever the reason for the better recruits it is definitely a welcome upgrade.

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    • Mud&Sticks says:
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      “…But why did OSU do better in recruiting this year than six other PAC-12 schools (at least according to Rivals)?…”

      Perhaps it was because he spent less time in Hawaii and also hired some guys who are better recruiters.

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    • NCAA_viOlation says:
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      I think a big part of the reason Oregon State was more successful at recruiting this year than others is Coach Seumalo. Without him, his son Isaac doesn’t go to Corvallis high and eventually decide to go to Oregon State. I think he’s directly responsible for keeping Caleb Smith on board. Is it a coincidence that Smith re-commited within an hour of when Seumalo re-committed. Take those 2 guys out of the class and suddenly our ranking drops to typical Riley status at the bottom of the Pac. Bad news is, I don’t see any other coaches on our staff with 5 star all american high school senior sons in the next few years, so you’d have to assume the future Riley classes will drop back down to their average.

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      • Beavergopher says:
        January 24, 2012 at 10:31 am
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        Fire and hire every year based on their progeny’s rankings. This could be our path to the top.

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    • matt b says:
      January 24, 2012 at 9:45 am
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      This has nothing to do with Larry Scott. Recruiting rankings, even after signing day are hypothetical rankings filled with fluff and pr bs. Look, just the other day Michigan State signed an unranked defensive lineman from Portland. The kid is from Canada and was only in the USA a short time. He was missed by the camp followers who invent rankings from clouds of hot air. OSU is recruiting better because their backs are to the wall and they know that with another year of bad results they will be gone. The work ethic has been reborn. There are more players with better skills for many positions this year for all teams. The coaching changes in the league have also produced more competition. To give Larry Scott credit for this is to worship a false god.

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      • Beavergopher says:
        January 24, 2012 at 10:24 am
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        What he said. The natives are restless and the coaches have the motivational incentive of a possible pink slip.

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    • Jack says:
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      I have to agree with Tom Luginbill’s assessment of ranking recruiting classes.

      He says that there is validity in ranking a top ten list. And he can make an argument for a “next five” to be added to that list. He also allows for a grouping of another 20-25 schools for a general top 40. But he says that once you get to about 12-15 schools on the list, there are too many moving parts to make any credible attempts to rank these classes.

      He thinks anyone who ranks classes past 15 are just blowing smoke. There is a definite top ten. There are a handful of schools who just miss the top ten. And there are a bunch of schools who are clearly better than the mean.

      OSU broke back into that latter category a couple years ago after several years of wandering in the wilderness. And they’ve made enough progress in each class to move further from the mean. I think it’s unimportant to be considered one of the elites when it comes to recruiting. But we should at least be rubbing shoulders with them on the recruiting trail. And we should be able to take about as much as we give in the end.

      If this class is our saturation point, I can live with that. I think the players we have on board and on the hook are some outstanding talents who like to win more than they don’t like to lose. We just need to start seeing this level of recruiting across all positions rather than just at four or five.

      But if you would have asked me a couple years ago, I would have said we need to see this level of recruiting across all positions, not just two or three.

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      • matt b says:
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        It would be interesting to see a statisitical analysis for the last ten years on how many total 5 stars, 4 stars, 3 stars and two stars are awarded each year. How many total kids are evaluated from year to year over a period of time? How has the number of evaluators changed over the years and the number of services offering ratings? There is a lot of black magic in this game.

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  • Mud&Sticks says:
    January 24, 2012 at 9:35 am
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    Based on the Trib story and what Jack posted, during this past week the gross pay of my “heroes” were as follows:

    Bobby D ~ $9,615.00 ($500K annual)
    Mike R ~$22,000.00 ($1,151,667. annual)
    Mark B ~ $6,933.00 ($360.5K annual)
    Craig R ~$18,269.00 ($950K annual)

    http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=130212662027395500

    Are OSU and the fans getting their money’s worth?

    I’ve seen reference to Dr. Ray giving an outline as to what will be done with the windfall TV package and if what I saw was correct (pay down the debt) my hat’s off to him. Does anyone have a link to what he said? TIA

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    • Jack says:
      January 24, 2012 at 10:39 am
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      I remember the story you’re talking about, but I can’t find it. He said the AD’s debt would be paid off in five years, and the dept. would be contributing back to the academic side after that. I’ll keep looking. It has to be in one of the recent papers.

      Meanwhile, this was largely ignored by onlookers.
      http://staterblog.com/2012/01/rays-annual-address-no-whining-just-plenty-of-progress-and-a-huge-economic-impact-for-osu/

      I shouldn’t say it was largely ignored. Oregon and NW businesses know full well the value of OSU and its mission. That’s why the Moore’s gave a nice chunk of change to the school. But this side of our school doesn’t get the press and sustained praise it deserves.

      Ray set a goal to make OSU a top ten APLU institution, and I’ll be damned if he isn’t doing it.

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  • sparkyd73 says:
    January 24, 2012 at 9:44 am
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    Can anyone explain to me the rating system for JC recruits? I don’t understand why Chris Young was named JC Defensive POY and is a three star. He was also a 4 star out of HS. Do they lose stars for eligibility?

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    • NCAA_viOlation says:
      January 24, 2012 at 10:15 am
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      They lose stars when Oregon State starts recruiting them….

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    • matt b says:
      January 24, 2012 at 11:31 am
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      The evaluators follow the spring/summer camp circuit for high schoolers. They get measurables and then rub shoulders with college scouts to cross check opinions. Some jc guys have been thru the circuit but did not have the grades. Many other jc players matured late or just got into a system where they have exposure late in the game. But since many of these guys weren’t on any camp circuit, the evaluators (for the paid services) do not have enough data on forty time, shuttle and flag football with other comparable recruits. There is just not enough data for guys that come out of nowhere. No offenseive to the player of the year award for the Beaver jc recruit but this award is somewhat suspect. The best two jc teams in the country were CCSF and Mt Sac. The offensive and defensive players of the year were probably on their rosters or come from the leagues that they played in. Again, no offense to the Beaver recruit, but when you have the Technical Institute of Monterrey Mexico on your schedule, you cannot really be the player of the year for the entire US.

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  • homefry says:
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    From ESPN today: “Five recruiting overachievers”

    There wasn’t much to celebrate this past season as the Beavers limped to a 3-win season and a second-to-last-place finish in the Pac-12 North division. But Oregon State won 23 conference games in the previous four seasons, and most of those wins came against conference foes with stronger recruiting successes. The Arizona Wildcats, California Golden Bears and Washington Huskies have each out-recruited Oregon State year-in and year-out, but the Beavers have four wins against each of those programs in the last five seasons.

    Head coach Mike Riley is one of the longest-tenured coaches in the conference and Corvallis has been a challenging place for more talented teams to visit. The Beavers may never ascend to the top of the Pac-12, but they should be able to consistently contend and thrive in their giant-killer role.

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    • HopefulBeav says:
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      It’s nice to get national coverage like that from ESPN, but it’d be nice to eventually grow out of our “upset alert” role and actually become the team-to-beat. Guess we have to crawl before we can walk though.

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    • Jack says:
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      There’s nothing like having the expectation of mediocrity foisted upon you. Some are going to look at this back-handed compliment as reason to think we’ve arrived.

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      • slamadam says:
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        well it beats the shit out of being a joke to all of college football for 28 years. espn isn’t “foisting mediocrity” on the beavs’ football program, they’re doing it to themselves in too many ways right now. if whoever wrote that really has that perception of the beavers, it’s not like it’s unreasonable.

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  • NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Joe Burton is pissed off right now. Glad we’re playing Oregon this week.

    http://yfrog.com/09dgjz

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  • BeavMonkey says:
    January 24, 2012 at 11:35 am
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    Guys who think we recruited better than a lot of the SEC schools.

    We oversign. They do too, but no longer can oversign obscenely. They are limited to 25 incoming each year.

    Thus, the rivals rankings give average stars ratings and sum number of “points”.

    Just because we have more points than Arkansas doesn’t mean our class is better. we just recruited more people.

    If you look at the average star rating, there are a ton of schools ahead of us.

    Ark/MSU have higher average star ratings than us.

    But actually, a funny thing happens. We can actually sort by average star ratings. If you do this, our recruiting class is ranked 42nd.

    So I understand that stars aren’t everything, and a lot of our players play above what their rankings are. But you can’t disagree that a team composed of mostly 4-stars with some 3-stars is better than a team of mostly 3-stars along with some walk-ons.

    And also of note, even though we are currently ranked 4th in recruiting for OL and 9th for DB, we can’t guarantee that we will keep our class intact.

    So I still wouldn’t say we’re as bad as 42nd, but I wouldn’t say we’re as good as 27th either. Maybe somewhere in the middle.

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    • angry says:
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      Yep, number of signees skews the rankings. That being said, if they can hold it together, this is a great class by Beaver standards.

      I don’t think the Beavs ever signed three 4-star guys who would all actually qualify. They have a few other guys who should be 4-stars, too, and Gilmore lost his 4-star status earlier.

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      • Warren says:
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        Don’t forget we’re in good shape with Lawler. Also, Hasiak was a top 100 recruit coming out of HS and was recruited nationally.

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        • Beavergopher says:
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          Those two would make it a great class, assuming Hasiak has grown up and put the behavior issues behind him.

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      • Jack says:
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        Commits who should be four star or higher IMO:
        Seumalo, Smith, Shelton, Wallace, Gilmore, Weinreich, Andrews, Bays, Young, Hasty and Brown.

        Those really close:
        Brice, Noland, Mitchell, Skotte and Stanton

        Brice reportedly gone according to one recruit who tripped with him to Ole Miss. Shelton and Wallace still soft?

        And apparently if your name is Caleb you’re a good enough student to graduate early and enroll in college.

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        • NCAA_viOlation says:
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          Where does Hasiak belong? I would add him to the four star list. I know he’s not technically a commit yet, but from all accounts it sounds like he’ll be a Beav.

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          • Jack says:
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            I would say the four we have on the hook still are all four star plus. We’re looking at Lawler, Hasiak, Martin and Pierce-Brewster.

            I’m guessing all others are greyshirts. Anyone know what that list is? I’ve heard McCaskill is one.

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        • angry says:
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          I think all of those CBs should be 4-stars, but I’d put Wallace and Brice ahead of Shelton.
          As noted, Brice is staying closer to home. Wouldn’t be surprised if he changes his mind again, but I would be surprised if he recommits to OSU.

          I pretty much agree with your 4+ star list. Bays is so underrated. Andrews and Brown could easily be 4-stars.

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          • Jack says:
            January 24, 2012 at 1:24 pm
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            Credit Nolan with putting the press on Brice and Lawler. That kid’s fighting hard for OSU right now.

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            • alex says:
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              We saw that with Cooks last year too….

              I wonder how much thought has been given to use kids as a recruiting tactic? Put a ton of resources early on into wooing a charismatic, persuasive, passionate kid in an area with a lot of other good prospects, and then let them help you when the recruiting struggle heats up?

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    • beaverkman says:
      January 24, 2012 at 12:21 pm
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      Hey, I get what your saying, but even average stars doesn’t tell the whole story. Just look at number 1 and 2 on that list. USC has the highest avg stars, but thats because they have only 12 committs, so that skews their class as well, meanwhile Fla St has three times as many 5 star committs, one less 4star committ and twice as many 3 star recruits, yet they come in second. So, the points system is designed to not overvalue a small class. If you look the number of committs per star ranking it might tell you a little more.

      According to Rivals we don’t have a 5 star recruit, Fla St has three, but Isaac Seumalo is a close to a 5 star as you can get, and I don’t recall OSU ever getting a higher recruit (anyone?). We have three 4 star committs and that ranks 24th, but five teams have double digits. We have eighteen 3 star commits and that ranks 6th overall, Cinncy leads with 26, and I don’t remember a class ever with that many 3 star committs since I have followed OSU football. In fact, I don’t think we have ever had an average of 3 stars ever either (currently 3.0). So, just like alot of things stats don’t lie but they don’t tell the truth either.

      I think this is one of the best classes (if it stays as is) we have ever signed, and that is a step in the right direction. Where we ranked right now is about where we should be ever year, in my opinion. We are not going to have a 5 star kid of the coach every year.

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      • Ackrite says:
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        the class that was signed in 2001 (after Fiesta bowl) was a better class according to the rankings. Some sites had Derek Anderson as the top rated QB in the Nation.(which I believe was a higher ranking than Seumalo) I believe he was choosing between us and Florida State. That class also had Steven Jackson.

        My memory maybe incorrect but I think that was are highest rated class… (according to internet rankings) This looks like Reilys best class.

        Recruiting website have changed greatly in the last ten years so comparing classes may not be that accurate.

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    • Mud&Sticks says:
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      @ BeavMonkey (and others) – Thank you, thank you, thank you. I knew there had to be a logical explanation for this situation.

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  • Beaver Byte says:
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    If we land Shelton and Lawler it will be an easy Top 25 class. We need atleast one but hopefully both.

    Tinker explains his design philosophy at TEDx Portland:
    http://beaverbyte.com

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    • NCAA_viOlation says:
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      Does anybody watch Breaking Bad here? No spoilers, but I just finished Season 2 and have come to the following analogy.

      Angrybeavs : Beaverbyte :: Walter : Walter Jr.

      The website Walter Jr. is working on was making me think of this.

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  • matt b says:
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    Could it be that rivals/scout are giving more stars to everyone as the years go by so as not to hurt our self esteem and to feather their beds? This is kind of like counting how many trophies you get as a youth soccer player.

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    • BeavMonkey says:
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      I don’t really think that star inflation is happening on rivals.

      some classes are better than others. the 2011 was a GREAT class of RB.

      This class is not so good for RB, but better for OL’s.

      Unsure on scout, but rivals has had about the same number of 5* blue-chips throughout the years. 25-35, of which about 15-25 actually ever make a 5* quality difference for a team.

      However, I am concerned about you all being as happy about lawler as you are about shelton. ARE YOU NUTS? or did you just never learn about marginal utility?

      Put into perspective, Kenny Lawler is a miniature upgrade over the guy he will be replacing. Devian Shelton is miles above and beyond the guy he will replace(RR). I mean, Seriously… it isn’t even a competition about who we need more.

      After 2 years of losing due to poorly recruited personnel, we can be compared to a man dying of thirst in a desert.

      It is a diamond water paradox and Shelton is our water and Lawler is our diamond. Lawler would be nice to have in the future, but Shelton’s position is a necessity now or we are doomed.

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    • beaverkman says:
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      I would think it has more to do with recruiting becoming a bigger business. With the internet, youtube, and more camps I think more and more kids are getting evaluated and looked at so the industry has grown with more recruiting sites, more street agents, etc

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  • Jack says:
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    I brought up McCaskill and greyshirts earlier. Here we go.
    http://northwesteliteindex.com/articles/jordan/jan12/sam.html

    I think I remember Malik Watson getting a similar offer too?

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    • Jack says:
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      I’ve been watching him for a while, since he’s down here in Eugene. But I have to wonder why McCaskill doesn’t get any love. Every year, there are players who are left out of the recruiting process/hype, yet they are good enough to play at the next level. He’s just another high motor baller who nobody sees… except that he was a consensus defensive POY in Oregon. I still think JJ Fisher should get the greyshirt offer as well.

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      • KC says:
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        240 pounds and a 34 inch vert = so much power/athleticism. I like it!

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      • KC says:
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        240 pounds and a 34 inch vert = so much power/athleticism. I like it!

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      • matt b says:
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        Do you think that it could be as simple as prejudice? Here is a line of thinking. He is from Eugene and if the Ducks are not recruiting him hot and heavy then he must not be any good. Sometimes guys get branded for the wrong reasons. Look what happened to the Rogers brothers. Texas was not interested. And if Texas wasn’t interested, why should A&M be interested. And if A&M wasn’t interested, why would Houston be interested. Sometimes we worry more about what the other guy is thinking or what other folks think of us rather than forging our own identity. I am pleased with the recruiting effort and the projected results of Beaver recruiting. I am optimistic about the future, but not because our stars are better than someone else’s stars,

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    • Jack says:
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      Size, speed, motor, talent… all seem to be there. Am I missing something with this kid?

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      • sparkyd73 says:
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        I’m impressed with his discipline, he doesn’t just overcommit and run up the field every time. He needs some size but a greyshirt year should do that quite well. I like to see us keep the local lines open as well.

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      • NCAA_viOlation says:
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        I like on the few occasions where he does get beat by his man, he doesn’t give up on the play and chases down the ball carrier from behind. I’m all for bringing in smart (but possibly undersized) defensive players like this rather than boneheaded athletes who can’t stick to their assignments.

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        • Jack says:
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          My favorite play was at 4:10, where he gets leverage on his blocker and bends him back into the hole, tackling the RB with the blocker. I gave an audible chuckle at that one.

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    • ObjCritic says:
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      Can’t see the video (at work, permissions denied!). Could the kid be moved to MLB if he’s undersized for Pac-12 DE? Many have suggested Wynn could move there (which I think would be great), how about this kid?

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      • Jack says:
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        A lot of the same skills as Wynn. But he looks more natural on the edge. And he has more frame than Wynn to put on another 30-40 pounds.

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        • progressivebeav says:
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          Does look like he can bulk up. Maybe a Brennan Olander type DT down the road? Maybe that’s selling him short though.

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          • Jack says:
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            Think Swanny. He has that same rangy look Bill did coming out of high school… long arms, broad shoulders and hips.

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  • angry says:
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    Riley tweeted. Not sure who committed, though.

    Maybe Lawler?

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    • KC says:
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      Looks like he’s supposed to announce tonight, so that would make sense. Nice get if it’s true!

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  • KC says:
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    Great day to be a Beaver!
    https://twitter.com/#!/Coach_Riley/status/161942832976887812

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  • sparkyd73 says:
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    As I have been reading this blog the last few weeks I’m reminded of a story I once heard:

    A man goes into a store in a town he has just moved into. The store-keeper begins to converse with the man to be neighborly. The man asks the store-keeper what are the people like around here. The store-keeper asked the man, “well, what were the people like from where you moved from?” The man answered, “they were all very nice, would help you whenever you needed it and just were great all-around”. The store-keeper responded, “well I think you will find that the people around here are very much the same way.”

    Later that same day another man came into the same store. As he was talking with the store-keeper he asked him, “I’m new to the area, what should I expect from the people around here?” The storekeeper asked, “well, how were the people from where you came from? The man said, “they were awaful, they all were spiteful and gossipers and they just didn’t care about anyone but themselves.” The storekeeper responded, “I think you will find that the people around here are very much the same way.”

    Normally the complaint around beaver nation at this time of the year is that the Polyannas are saying stars don’t matter and our recruiting class will be just fine because Riley can find the diamond. This year, our recruiting class has a higher rating and some of you people are saying that the stars don’t matter because the rating agencies must be screwed up. As is always the case, it is easy to slice and dice numbers to say whatever you want them to. I’ve said this before and apparently I’ll say it again, there is plenty around OSU to be negative about that you don’t have to manufacture any.

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    • locusimperium says:
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      You are correct in many ways. Regardless, i still feel good about the uptick in recruiting.

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    • rsteve503 says:
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      That’s about the dumbest story ever….. and wouldnt happen. The storekeeper is going to trash his customers?? Not likely.

      And you didnt say anything. Yes, there are different opinions on what ratings mean, and everyone has one. So?

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      • sparkyd73 says:
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        OK, let me dumb it down for you, the meaning of the story is that people are going to find what they are looking for. Specifically, if you expect to find positive improvement at OSU you will look at this year’s class and see all of the talent that is coming in. If you are looking for the negative you will notice the lack of DT, or will say that the rating system has given OS to much credit.

        I wasn’t trying to talk in riddles, I just find that a story can sometimes illustrate something better than just telling it directly. But, since you prefer it directly I will say it directly – the people on here that are always incredibly negative need to evaluate themselves. At the end of the day, for us fans NCAA Football is still just a game. If it causes you so much grief to be a Beaver fan because there is never anything good that you can see in the program, get out while you still can.

        This recruiting class is a good one for OSU. Yes, it could always be better. Yes, another coach may be able to get it done. Yes, (fill in the blank). But the people on here that are always complaining about the Polyannas, but then are exactly the same with their negativity make me just as annoyed.

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        • NCAA_viOlation says:
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          I don’t get it. Are you saying Riley should get a job as a storekeeper?

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        • rsteve503 says:
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          You still havent said anything. People are going to find what they are looking for? How does that moronic story illustrate that? You think the guy actuall believes one person (the storekeeper) knows all?

          And even that “truism” means nothing. So what? People see the world according to their mood of the day. This isnt some sort of deep wisdom.

          You are annoyed at “negativity”. Fine, –go to O-live! Thats where you find most of the “polyannas”. This site is devoted to a CRITICAL view of OSU athletics. If you dont like that, go away.

          Critical thinking is what can lead to improvement, beyond the improvement expected of simple evolution. If no critical word is spoken, why in hell should anything in the world, improve? So the NEGATIVE statemenst are much more potentially beneficial than the statements of any polyanna. You should applaud the negativity, and be annoyed by the positivity, at least in the face of the current mediocre state of OSU football.

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  • angry says:
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    Hearing this guy might be the new coach.

    http://www.colts.com/team/coaches/rod-perry/2d65e339-e1fa-489c-8543-2dfe33bcc13f

    Good: played for the LA Rams, coached with Riley in San Diego. So, SoCal ties. Now, does that translate to recruiting success? Maybe. As a coach, I have no idea if he’s any good. Colts always seemed really soft in the secondary…

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    • SadBeaver says:
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      Looks like he was with Carolina for a few years as well. Hopefully he can translate his experience into the college level. I think recruits respect coaches that have been nfl players just because they have been the the show. So I guess we will see.

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    • sparkyd73 says:
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      Doesn’t look like a recruiting juggernaut.

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  • NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Machado tweeting that we’ve offered Chans Cox

    Lakeside (Ariz.) Blue Ridge LB Chans Cox has been offered by

    From what i’ve hear, Cox and Beavers go well together.

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    • NCAA_viOlation says:
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      Class of 2013

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      • Pettibonehead says:
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        No spoiler… You won’t believe where BBad is going to go. Shot me an update as you progress.

        Two others we enjoyed on a catch-up basis. Mad Men and The Tudors. JB

        PS: I can’t wait to get to Signing Day and see what really pans out.

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        • NCAA_viOlation says:
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          I’m all caught up on MadMen and am looking forward to Season 5 (which I think we should be seeing in the next few months)

          Haven’t gotten into the Tudors yet but hear it’s good.

          So far I’m finished with the first 4 episodes of BBad Season 3 and am hooked.

          Justified Season 2 is in the mail too. So much good tv to catch up on.

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          • Pettibonehead says:
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            What is Justified… haven’t heard of that one. Wait until Angry notices that we’re doing entertainment reviews.

            I’ve heard good things about Dexter?? JB

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            • Dwill03 says:
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              Dexter is phenomenal! Shameless on Showtime just entered it’s second season and it’s a good one two. William H. Macy plays about the best jackass of all time.

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              • Jack says:
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                I thought Dexter was best in the first couple seasons, then they got caught up with some star power for the antagonists, and it got a little weird. But it was still outstanding… just best when the plot was front and center rather than who was playing in the plot.

                Homeland is great too. But I’m a sucker for anything Damian Lewis is in since BOB.

                By far my favorite is Game of Thrones. I thought it was going to be another Camelot knock-off. But it hits you like a freight train, and it doesn’t let go. The serial treatment on HBO is outstanding enough for me to wait to read the books until after I see it. I hear they are outstanding as well.

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            • NCAA_viOlation says:
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              Justified is sortof like a modern day western. Stars Timothy Olyphant. Maybe if we can relate these shows to Angrybeavs (see Walter/Walter Jr. analogy above), Angry will be ok with it. Otherwise, I’ll stop.

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        • angry says:
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          I’m friends with one of the guys on Mad Men.

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          • NCAA_viOlation says:
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            which character?

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            • angry says:
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              I can’t say, dude. Too creepy giving out personal info.

              Funny thing, though: I went to a Hollywood party with him a few years ago. Gotta say, it was preettty lame. Bunch of theater dorks patting themselves on the back over bit parts. Not a single one talked about the Beavs… I mean come on. Some cute girls, though. I’ll give them that. I pandered my novel to Charlie from Sunny in Philly most of the night. Then I listened to this 5’5 dude talk about how he nailed Lindsay Lohan. I think this was in ’09 when she was a mess.

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              • NCAA_viOlation says:
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                Was it E, from Entourage? Sounds like a typical plot line on that show.

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  • Beaver Byte says:
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    I have an article up on Oregon State vs. Minnesota Design Objectives. What Minnesota did with their redesigns won’t be far enough for OSU to compete with Oregon and also be seen as an attractive destination program for top recruits.

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  • Gman says:
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    Tyner on Sunday tweeted, “Questioning where I will be in a couple years now that this story is going around. Looks legit.”

    Seems if the Ducks don’t play their cards right he will be elsewhere, I wish OSU.

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    • BeavMonkey says:
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      He is an Olympic level track athlete. I hope for his sake he doesn’t choose us. I hope for our sake he doesn’t choose a school in the Pac-12.

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      • Gman says:
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        If I gave two shits about track or the olympics, then I would have to agree.

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      • FedUpBeav says:
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        Oregon State has had multiple Olympic track and field athletes. Tyner could be very successful in track at Oregon State. He could relaunch the men’s program with huge hype and provide OSU an athlete that would regularly beat the Ducks in big meets. Tyner loves this state so I see no reason to hope he leaves it.

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        • BeavMonkey says:
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          Don’t use our history, athletes don’t really want to factor anything past 5 years ago in for good reason. Just because Terry Baker won a heisman being a dual threat QB at OSU doesn’t mean the next Cam Newton will look at OSU when deciding. Thomas will compare the track programs and football programs as they stand today. And academics-wise, we are a science and engineering school and Tyner wants to be a journalist or something like that. So as it stands today,

          90% chance he goes to O.

          10% OSU.

          With those odds, I would certainly hope he leaves the state

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