21.Feb.2012 General Discussion

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There's not much going on right now, so discuss anything you wish, or have fun sifting through the wonderful archives here at angrybeavs. :D

The only thing bugging me right now is that it's a shame more fans aren't into baseball.

Oh, and for those who missed it, Sean Martin has been suspended indefinitely.

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  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    I wonder how much of a punishment it is to be suspended this time of year. He can lift weights and work out on his own or with friends. Play pick up basketball in the rec center. I guess we will see if he plays in the Spring Game.

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    The Kamloops Rainbows are beginning their march up the river…soon I’ll be hammering 3-20 lb trout on the weekends.

    I love baseball, but it is really tough to follow. It takes quite a bit of effort to really be on the pulse of the team or the CB landscape. Interest picks up after the tourney too.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    So Cummings, another Corner Back, was suspended too right? Maybe they think “CB” stands for “Cold Beers?”

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Now Cummings and Martin suspended, correct? Two CB’s. Sounds like position groups are sticking together.

  • silverstream055 says:
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    It’s an interesting question — why does football seem to be the college sport that gets the lion’s share of the love and attention from fans? It’s true at OSU, and it’s true at most other schools (with the exception of places like Duke, where the basketball program is super strong, while the football program has been surprisingly weak for years).

    Personally, I’m really into baseball. Of the three sports I played in high school (football, basketball, baseball), baseball was my favorite. I spent countless hours with my oldest son, teaching him how to pitch (and he is now one of the top pitchers for his college club team, following a successful high school and American Legion career). I make sure to go to a few OSU baseball games each year, and always enjoy watching the team. Same for OSU basketball, which I also enjoy watching (now that Calvin Haynes is gone…)

    Still, for me (and apparently for many other fans) OSU baseball and basketball don’t get the juices flowing in the same way as does OSU football. Not sure exactly why, but there’s just something special about college football….

    • Kenny Beaver says:
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      I think when people refer to baseball as America’s pastime that they really mean that baseball is past its time. The game is OK to watch in person, but can’t be enjoyed by following it on a computer. OK as background on the radio or TV. Too slow for most of the current male generation who want immediate gratification. That is why women say the sex is also lousy from them. Heres to a Sunday at the ball park and then playing ball at home to make it good ole fashion double header! Nothing like hitting the home run on a full count.

      • rsteve503 says:
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        The pastime label is from when baseball was in fact the major US pro sport. The label carries on, while it has been replaced by football and basketball.

    • StarcraftSquall says:
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      That’s an easy answer. Because football IS the king sport in America. The ratings numbers are through the roof. Just look at the pro sports. An NFL regular season game averages better ratings than the World Series, or any NBA game. Football has left EVERY sport in America in the dust.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Baseball is my favorite sport and I enjoy college baseball more than college basketball and then college football. I think part of the reason people don’t get as into it is because it is marketed like the other two sports. Not enough games are on tv and ESPN couldn’t care less about until selection Monday to be honest. With the Pac-12 Network starting up and many more baseball games being on tv, more Beaver fans will pay more attention during the regular season and as college baseball grows as a whole and has many more games on tv, fanbases will grow.

    I’m young and I find baseball to be highly entertaining. It’s been my favorite sport since I was about 7. Most people don’t give the sport the love it deserves. Never understand how someone can say it’s boring. It’s awesome to watch in person and I love watching it on tv and nothing like playing the sport. I always look forward to college baseball season more than college basketball and college football season. College football to me is a little overrated. Hate the postseason. College basketball and college baseball do the postseason perfectly.

    I plan on going to the College World Series this year. I’ve never been and it should be fun this year. Hopefully the Beavers make it.

  • wannabeav says:
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    It’s especially too bad that more Oregon State fans aren’t into baseball as much as they could or should be because it’s the only one of the major sports where the Beavs have established a national reputation and identity. I guess that makes us a baseball school. I go to all the football games, none for basketball, and as many baseball games as I can; especially in Aprill when you can double up with football practice. The new network promises to give the game more exposure and it would be nice if ESPN would give the game more exposure before Labor Day. It is significant that Root is picking up games every year; it all helps.

    • StarcraftSquall says:
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      You know ESPN won’t give us any exposure unless we make the World Series. They only care about the SEC.

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    Baseball is a sport with plots and sub-plots happening all at once. The problem is the average person has no idea the little games going on between the pitcher and the batter, the pitcher and the baserunner, the catcher and the baserunner, the coach with the other coach, etc… If you don’t understand those games within the game – baseball is slow.

    The other problem for college baseball is the minor leagues for baseball. College is not the only route to the Big Leagues, in fact it may not even be the most popular route.

    • Ackrite says:
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      The best part of college baseball is that your subplots you speak of are magnifed by 10 due to the diluted talent levels. If you only watch MLB those subplots are greatly diminished due to the increase in talent and the game is slow.. Defense is awful in the college game and pitching depth is rare. The Beavs won 2 National Title because Casey was able to eliminate those weakness plus timely hitting.

      • rsteve503 says:
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        And in MLB, the money is so huge that a lot of players just cruise. So you see an outfielder in the world series, under the ball and it hits his glove and bounces off. He could easily make the catch but doesnt give a shit. At the lower levels that wouldnt be tolerated, but in the majors, all kinds of errors are commonplace.

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          because UNC didn’t commit any errors in the final game of the 2006 world series…oh wait they committed 4.

          I agree with you that a large portion of MLB players are lazy and that is why the game is slow but don’t use the world series as an example I don’t believe that errors made in playoff games are because players don’t care. In the the 162 game regular season, yes but no in the playoffs

    • FatDog says:
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      I agree on the interest to the game of plots and sub-plots. That is why is so much nicer watching one in person. You can see defensive adjustments, etc. On TV they only focus on the pitcher and batter.

      • sparkyd73 says:
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        Agreed. But I think OSU charges more than they should to go see a game. I like to take the kids and share with them why I love the game. But, hard to swallow $100 for my family. And if I go to a game I usually like to take in the whole weekend and with hotel and games – turns into big money.

  • homefry says:
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    I think one of the issues is the non-continuity of rosters…between those who go pro midstream, recruits that don’t elect college, and general turnover, it’s tough to identify with a college team. The World Series teams had enough time and interest for the average fan access to the backstory.

    I’m a huge baseball fan, still playing multiple fantasy teams at age 53. Combined with my West Coast Senior Softball travelling team, you would think I’d fit the demographic to be more interested.

  • Ackrite says:
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    Purest think college baseball is sloppy (lack of talent) and the causel fan thinks baseball is slow due to watching MLB. College is much more watchable because the “sloppiness” leads to more action.

    • rsteve503 says:
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      I find MLB to be sloppy nowdays, with no excuse. I have seen world series games decided on who makes the last error. The talent is there, but al least some players no longer care.

  • beaverkman says:
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    Cliff’s report on the changes in Recruting with Mr. Perry.

    http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2012/02/21/recruiting-realignment/

  • hellobeavers says:
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    I thought I would share this with you guys. I found it somewhat interesting and I look forward to hearing more about it as his research progresses.

    A friend of mine sent me an email a few weeks ago to let me know that his firm was approached by the PAC-12 to do some market reasearch for the new network. He pulled some data on the Portland market for Oregon and Oregon State fans who have identified themselves as “heavy watchers” of either colleges’ football or basketball games in the past year. Below are a few of the results from his research.

    Oregon fans who attend their games in person have a higher median household income of $102,971 compared to OSU HHI of $80,027

    Those who attend Oregon’s major sporting events have a slightly higher age (mean)

    Both schools’ fans are equally as employed FT/PT, but OSU fans are slightly more likely to attend grad or post/grad school.

    Oregon’s fans have heavier television consumption levels, whereas OSU fans are heavier internet users.

    This sort of ties in with the earlier blog entry on OSU’s worth to the PAC-12. I recently read that the most difficult market to reach is men between the ages of 18 and 34. Companies will pay a premium to reach this group if it’s their target. That is why College Football is so valuable and that is why Oregon State is valuable to the PAC-12. We’re not even close to as valuable as USC or UCLA, but we are certainly not blown out of the water by the other schools.

  • beaverkman says:
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    Cliff Kirkpatrick @CliffGT
    Oregon State football player Malcolm Marable cited for speeding http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/?p=14453 He was going really fast.

    • Afghanbeav says:
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      104 in a 65, no insurance, no proof of registration. Yikes. Here come the duck trolls.

      • rsteve503 says:
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        Yep….we cant even match them in speeding on a highway.

        Oh god….what LOSERS we are…..

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Coach Perry said he wanted to work with young people. Here we go, hopefully his maturity will be an asset in dealing with the three CB’s who have been in the news for the wrong reasons lately.

      Very often a person in a new position doesn’t establish themselves until some sort of crises occurs “on their watch”. The current situation will likely go far in establishing the foundational relationships between this new coach and each of his charges. Dealing with these things is beyond the Recruiter vs Position Coach discussions we have had here, but just as much a part of the job. Welcome to your new world, coach, good luck and GO BEAVS !!

    • NCAA_viOlation says:
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      Apparently Mannion was getting baked in the passenger seat when they were pulled over. Riley is scheduled to announce later today that Mannion is a great leader and will be the team captain in the upcoming season.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    After reading about the progress of the new track it impressed me how football can complement track and having a track team could compliment football, read to the end.
    http://democratherald.com/sports/beavers-sports/track/osu-track-construction-on-the-track-going-well-big-plans/article_0c8be0cc-5777-5c37-bafe-24a68b952ccd.html

    On another topic Larry Scott pointed out that the PAC-12 has collected over 1,000 medals in the modern era of the Olympics. If the PAC-12 were a sovereign nation it would rank 4th behind the US, Soviet Union and Germany.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OSU’s mediocre CB’s (what riley calls “depth”) falling like ripe grain before the scythe this off-season….

    If its proven Marable was drunk or high, I hope he gets kicked off the team. Free up a schollie for one of the incoming freshmen.

    • Jack says:
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      I can’t feel anything beyond disappointment for these numbskulls. DUI’s should get at least four games suspension on the first, and bounced off the team on the second offense of a “serious variety.” No Kiko Alonso’s here.

      And no more of this selective “we’ll play him in the first game then suspend him for the second” crap. That was just a joke.

      Speeding? First violation? Meh. It’s serious, but I want to know more about whose car it was and why it didn’t have insurance or registration. It’s one thing to speed. It’s another to do it while you’re just plain illegal in the first place. Pay the fines and check yourself Malcolm. Now you’re on the “one strike” list.

      One thing I noticed… he was pulled over at milepost 226 on I-5 North?

      That’s two miles south of the exit for Hwy 34. I would suggest to Malcolm that he not go visit people down in this direction lest he catch the stupidity bug again.

      • JoshDuck says:
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        If by”no Kiko Alonso’s here” you mean no future Rose Bowl MVP’s, you are correct. If you’re talking about players getting in trouble, this is the one area where the beavs have been more productive than the Ducks.

        • sparkyd73 says:
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          Idiot troll. Typical Duckfan response. All that matters is that Kiko came back and played well. Don’t worry about the message that it sends to all the 10 year olds sitting in the stands cheering with their fairy wings on their shoulders.

          He means that the penalty should not take into effect whether or not the team needs the player or not. A player should not get more than a second chance on drug/alcohol related incidences, period. And the first offense should include a severe penalty.

          The Beavers and Ducks have been fairly equal on getting into trouble, but that is typical when you are dealing with 18-22 year old males living on their own for the first time. The key is how you deal with it. Prior to the suspending for game 3 instead of 1 incident last year – I think Riley has done better than Chip by treating all players with a standard regardless how much the team needs them.

          • BeavMonkey says:
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            I think Riley has done better than Chip by treating all players with a standard regardless how much the team needs them

            ———————————————————————————————————————–

            Explain Masaniai?

            • sparkyd73 says:
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              Was Masanai’s suspension delayed? If he was part of that (I thought it was the TE’s), it was addressed in my post.

              If you are saying that Masanai should have gotten more of a suspension than 1 game, I don’t think that was due to him being a “starter” but rather what Riley felt the offense was worth and that was consistent with the policy.

              I really think the one major blunder for Riley was with the TE’s (and Masanai if he was in that group) that he delayed suspensions on. I understand his reasoning for doing it, and I think he was wrong.

              Maybe the difference is that the Duck players that seem to cause the most trouble are their higher profile guys and with the Beavers it has been spot contributors. But, I think Chip has varied his punishment based on the athletic ability of the player more than the severity of the “crime”. I think L. Blount, J. Masoli, C. Harris and K. Alonso should have been kicked off of the team for their patterns of bad decisions. Masoli and Harris both couldn’t even survive with the extreme grace extended by Chip and he eventually was forced to let them go.

              • JoshDuck says:
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                Extreme grace? Chip gave Cliff a second chance after his first offense (118mph) he was cited for no seat belt a month later and was kicked off the team.

                Masoli stole a laptop, and while suspended, was pulled over, cited for failure to stop and marijuana possesion, and was immediately kicked off the team.

                The only incident Blount had was the right cross after the Boise game, for which he received a 10 game suspension. He was not a factor for the Ducks that season, except for the late TD in the Civil War, and his costly fumble in the ’09 Rose Bowl came at a key time. (Note for beavs: The Rose Bowl is what the Pac 10/12 champs play in)

                • SadBeaver says:
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                  For every incident that is reported there are probably 10 that are not. I am sure Masoli and Cliff both had done much more off the public record. These things don’t often go on for long without knowledge of the coaches. Public embarrassment seems to have been the drivers in those two cases and there seems to have been a long buildup(IE previous undisclosed team punishments, incidents covered up, etc.). Don’t get all high and mighty on us Mr. Duck.. your past is significantly more dark that ours. Take a look at the Pay for Play scandal in the previous posts for case in point. Go Beavs!

                • sparkyd73 says:
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                  Do you actually follow the Ducks? That was not Cliff’s first issue while at UofO, he was driving a car rented by a UofO employee, he was driving with a suspended license, marijuana smoke bellowed out of the car when the cop stopped him. So yes extreme grace.

                  Masoli also had other issues prior to stealing the laptop and you forget also that Blount was also going into the stands looking for people to punch after that game. With Blount, I would have been more in the Chip camp if he had said from the beginning that he would get a 10 game suspension, but as it was he was given an “until we need him suspension”.

                  • JoshDuck says:
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                    The instances you refer to with Cliff and Blount were part of the incidents I mentioned. What did Masoli do before the laptop at Oregon? He had been in trouble in high school, but he came to Oregon from a junior college nearly 4 years later.

                    And for the record, We didn’t need Blount (less than 300 yards total), as LMJ was shattering your boy Quizz’s freshman records that year.

            • JoshDuck says:
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              Yes, about Castro aka “the body snatcher” and his unique delayed suspension program?? Kiko got an MIP of alcohol his redshirt year, and then got hammered, forced entry into the wrong house, where he passed out in the wrong bed.

              Both instances he showed a severe lack of judgement. The worst rap sheet ever? Hardly.

              I would still put stealing the gay sheep thing, naked 3 point stances at cops, and alluding police/DUI’s, and driving in excess of 100 mph, even on the most boring of I-5 stretches, ahead of Alonso’s mishaps.

              • sparkyd73 says:
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                You forgot about Kiko’s DUII added to your list. That is a pattern, my friend.

                I agree the 3 point stance was as bad (kicked off team immediately after it happened), sheep thing happened how long ago (2005 I think?) but still a drunk incident, DUII’s with alluding police – are equal as one time events and should all have been treated severely. But Kiko did it multiple times, he has a pattern of a drinking problem. The bottom line is that once a player gets drunk he no longer is in control and the severity of the outcome is more a factor of his surroundings.

                I disagree on the speeding, unless there is drugs/alcohol involved (ie… “no officer, we smoked it all”), but even if I don’t think that it is as big of an issue, I do think that every coach should have established a list of offenses and the consequences and stick to them.

                • JoshDuck says:
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                  Kiko had a DUI his redshirt year, not an MIP, my mistake. However, his drunken Goldy Locks impression was his 2nd incident.

                  • JoshDuck says:
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                    The Sheep deal was a long time ago, but was so bizarre, it still retains its perch. Bottom line? No program comprised of 17-2x year olds (meaning ALL of them) will ever be completely free of these incidents.

                    Chances are, the back to back to back conference champions will have a player or two slip up this offseason as well. When/if that happens, I’m sure we will get our message board jabs as well.

                    But, this has been an ugly week for the beav secondary no matter how you look at it..

                  • sparkyd73 says:
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                    Agreed, bad week for the Beavers. And I think punishment should be just and swift. I hope Marable was just driving fast without the aid of any substances. And I hope that Sean Martin can learn from this mistake and be a better person going forward.

                  • slamadam says:
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                    i don’t get your point… that the beavers are worse than the ducks when it comes to off the field issues? there are better uses of time josh

                  • JoshDuck says:
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                    Slamadam, my only point has been stating the facts, nothing more. And you’re right, there were probably better things you could have done with your time, but you chose to read the comments and reply as well.

                  • slamadam says:
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                    joshduck, you do realize this is a site for oregon state fans, right? i’m not saying its a poor use of time to be on a blog talking sports, i do that a fair deal myself. its a dumb use of time because this site’s material isn’t for someone such as yourself, who seems to root against the success of the beavers. (if that’s the case, then congratulations) therefore you engaging in a debate on this site downplaying your team’s recent off field incidents, crimes and what have you while arguing that the beavers have been worse and/or more embarrassing is, in my eyes, fucking stupid. im sure you’re aware that there are plenty of websites for duck fans where you can go talk about what a great story kiko alonso is.

                  • JoshDuck says:
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                    Thanks, slama. It just wouldn’t feel like Civil War week without a few jabs back & forth, and at least one beav F bomb! I’m sure I will hear more of them during/after the game at gill this weekend…

              • SadBeaver says:
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                Really? Cliff had passengers which certainly were in mortal danger. He also publicly admitted to smoking an illegal substance. For me publicly declaring a total lack of respect for others lives and blatant disregard for the law seems to me to be the far more offensive. I agree on the DUI’s, but assuming there were no passengers and it doesn’t reocurr, I think that is a teachable moment. It is happening more and more, not due to increases in activity, but increases in patrol activity. This is a good thing, but its better to reform these kids, instead of kicking them out of school.

        • rsteve503 says:
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          The players in trouble scenario record for UO and OSU is yet to play out. The NCAA will have the last say on that, as they are currently investigating UO but not OSU. So the final result may be very different from the current ratio.

          Duck fans are the last ones who should get holier than thou with OSU.

    • sparkyd73 says:
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      I’m right with Jack on this. If there are no other factors in the Marable thing, so be it. Make the kid pay for the shame he brought to the program by running until he pukes. If he does it again – that is a pattern and should be dealt with accordingly.

      I think the DUII incident is a much bigger deal. Anytime you add drugs or alcohol with the immaturity of a 20 year old – only bad things happen. And rarely does someone get caught the only time they do it. Suspensions for multiple games for first offense and gone for 2nd. Make a policy, make it severe, then follow through with the punishment. There should be no doubt in a players mind before they take that first drink that there could be severe consequences for this “party” and let them decide if it is still worth it.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I think the public safety issue is totally underplayed in these examples (both UO and OSU). When the UO players were speeding (measured value) after smoking pot (their admission), they were putting themselves and innocent public at risk, I don’t care if early in the morning when traffic is light. IF Marable was under the influence while speeding, he’s doing the same thing.Its one thing to be a college athlete and do college kid things on campus and get suspended, its another (in my view) to compound the issue by creating risk of significant injury or death for others.

        And I hope I don’t hear this is a “teachable moment” thing a la Chip Kelly and his girl John Canzano. Every “teachable moment” is a “learnable moment” and that always seems to get lost in the cliche-rich world of sport reporting and commentary. The university is responsible for creating an environment that facilitates learning, kids have a responsibility to learn and demonstrate learning. If they don’t demonstrate the ability to learn (e.g. Masoli, Harris), you get rid of them.

        • BeavMonkey says:
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          Is it seriously better if I run over a lady while sober and going 104 or if I am drunk and going 104?

          sure, I am more likely to be going 104 and driving erratically if I am drunk, but if I can do it sober, I am just as much a danger.

          • ObjCritic says:
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            I suggest most, if not all drivers, are less likely to do 100+ when sober, and if they do, are likely to be able to better control their vehicle. Sure, a Nissan Altima doesn’t have 15″ brembro disc brakes, and a sober driver is likely to respond like Andretti, but still, I give that person better odds to be able to operate the vehicle more safely than someone whose perception, reflexes and reaction time are all likely compromised by drugs or alcohol.

            • BeavMonkey says:
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              yes, I said that. I said “sure, I am more likely to be going 104 and driving erratically if I am drunk”

              Then I qualified it with “but if I can do it sober, I am just as much a danger”.

              Here is an example. If I turned into a bear randomly, and started mauling people, I would be a threat to society. However, if I mauled people anyway, even being human, I would be no less of a threat to society.

          • sparkyd73 says:
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            Do lady’s typically walk on I-5?

            • BeavMonkey says:
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              hit an old lady’s car.

              Are you seriously asking such a ridiculous question? “run over a lady” is a figure of speech. There are many other ways you could kill a lady, a man, or a child if you are driving 104 miles per hour down I-5(And here you’re thinking about pulling something so totally clever and saying “they weren’t driving down I-5 they were driving up it”).

              I tried to make that clear to everyone who is not an Engineering student at OSU like myself. I guess I was unclear. Let me know if you need equations and whatnot to explain how death/permanent injury can happen.

              • sparkyd73 says:
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                Lighten up there little fella, it was just a little joke to lighten the mood. You need to get some perspective, most of on here are OSU grads which since it is an engineering school means that many of us went through those same classes that you are now – so don’t think you have a superior intellect.

                To use Angry’s words, “we can disagree”, but I don’t believe that a driver going 100+ sober is AS dangerous as someone DUII. That doesn’t mean I’m right that the offense should be treated differently, just my opinion.

                • BeavMonkey says:
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                  ehh, yeah, thats fine. I am sorry that I came off as seeming like a “superior intellect”. Not my intention, and I never claim to be particularly bright myself.

                  Anyways, Someone going DUI 100+ probably(definitely) IS more dangerous than someone going 100+ sober. I never argued that.

                  Someone that is DUI in general vs. someone going 100+ sober is a toss-up.

                  • sparkyd73 says:
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                    My turn to clarify what I was saying. I was arguing that a person, at any speed, that is driving under the influence is more dangerous. Again, we can disagree about that, however I believe the law is on my side. I don’t think that 100+ is an automatic license loss, but DUII is.

                  • JoshDuck says:
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                    Those who say driving under the influence is worse than 100+ mph are %100 correct. I’ve driven and been in cars at 100+ lots of times. At the Woodburn dragstrip. Another way to look at it is the fine for DUI is nearly double the 100+ mph fine.

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                    Tests done by Dept of Transportation show some folks have faster reflexes after a couple drinks. The effect of drugs on folks is not universal.

                    As to excessive speed, it also depends on the person. Some are dangerous at normal speeds….others are safe at “excessive” speeds. Germany had no speed limit for a long time and there were not excessive deaths or accidents.

                    So get off the high horses.

                    That said, being actually drunk (impaired thinking) and a lot over the speed limit….should get heavy penalties, as is done.

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    “suspended indefinitely” means very little to me.

    “Kicked off the team to set an example” says something better. Especially considering Sean Martin has been suspended before if I am not mistaken.

    I don’t know what to think of Marable. I suppose driving at 104 mph sans insurance is nearly as dangerous as driving drunk in terms of harm you could cause. On the other hand, giving him the benefit of the doubt, he just showed bad judgment in a series of unfortunate events?

    • sparkyd73 says:
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      “suspended indefinitely” means simply – we’ve got to gather all the facts before we decide what to do. Usually gathering all the facts coincides with the legal investigation. I think it is important for coaches to not just jump to conclusions before they know the facts. Sean Martin’s case seems easy to judge as the police don’t just hand out DUII’s without cause. If it is indeed his first offense, multiple game suspension, if it is his second – gone.

      • ean says:
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        “Sean Martin’s case seems easy to judge as the police don’t just hand out DUII’s without cause.”

        have you ever been to Corvallis? ever heard of officer Cox?

    • SadBeaver says:
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      It was not his car, so why would he have the insurance? I hope the cars owner had it insured and MM was just was unable to produce the insurance card. Probably because it was in the owners wallet. Do read the information before you post my Duck troll friend.

  • ean says:
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    The most ridiculous thing about the Cliff Harris thing to me was how star struck the cop was. I hope he was reprimanded for that. I have a feeling if a common person admitted to driving while high they would get a DUI.

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    Now we know why Riley did not feel a need to quickly fill the CB coaching position. The defense next year will not use any CBs. The new scheme is 4-5-2 with the 2 being safeties.
    Both the Oregon and OSU speeding violations were in Nissan Altimas, maybe I should check these cars out.

  • BeavMonkey says:
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    A very informative story I read about the UW football team, specifically regarding their Tight End Jerramy Stevens and his escapades(rape and whatnot) under Rick Neuheisel’s watch. Somewhat off-topic, but still a good read.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004147443_rboverview27m0.html

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      BMonkey, thanks for the link.

      The article says, “Players “were confused about their direction, their leadership, the expectations people had of them,” he said. “They were confused about their responsibilities.””

      Any chance that is the case with the Beavs? Especially with the CB’s who were/are without a position coach. Not sure if Perry is in Corvallis yet but being involved in the treatment of these CB’s (and formulating contingency plans) has to be “Job #1″ for him at this stage.

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        I certainly think that this is happening. I think that the CB’s are lacking in terms of guidance, and they are losing faith in the team, and in football in general. Usually, when a position coach works closely with one group of players, he makes them feel like they are all part of a collective group, and that they should strive to work harder to earn a spot on the field.

        Now, you’ll see that the CB’s who aren’t starting are in a period of time when there is no schedule to their lives, and they are quickly beginning to feel like the team isn’t a large part of their identity anymore.

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    I think driving inebriated is much worst than driving fast. Heck, I’ve gone 85 when in a rush, and felt totally in control of my vehicle. The speed limit in many western States is up to 75mph. I drove high once in my entire life and ran a red light. The depth/judgment just isn’t there.

    • Kenny Beaver says:
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      I agree with Angry that driving drunk at any speed is much worse than driving at an accelerated speed.
      I have driven on the Autobahn in Germany where traffic routinely goes over 100 MPH. There are very few accidents and you are required to move over if a faster car approaches you from behind. Our freeways and the Autobahn are of the design that faster speed can be accommodated if everyone would actually “drive” their car and not “guide” it.
      The speeding tickets on freeways during the middle of the night do not bother me as much as driving drunk at any speed at any hour.

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        ….an accelerated speed…..

        LOL…. speed is one thing, acceleration is quite another. Sorry, I couldnt resist that.

        Just driving fast is not necessarily dangerous or threatening to others. Esp on a freeway. The current speed limits are nonsense, given the capability of cars. The speed limits for semis, is way too high, though. Dept of trans tests showed all configurations of semis take half again as far to stop as any car. Speed limit for big trucks should be about 50.

        In the old days, with bias ply tires and drum brakes (both of which were shit for control), and cars that weighed up to 5000lb or maybe more, the speed limit was 70 on the Oregon freeways. And there were not excessive deaths.

        I have hit over 140 (actual speed, with calibrated speedometer ) on a freeway a couple times, and never felt that I was endangering anyone else. But that kind of speed impressed me that if anything haopened, like a dog running in front of me, and it could all be over.

        Driving drunk is quite another matter.

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      Yep, how many of us floored our cars as young drivers, and the need for speed is there. I regularly pushed my RX 7 to 120+ on the autobahns and it is a rush.

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    funny that a college sports blog should lead to a discussion about driving inebriated.

  • Gabriel says:
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    I received a speeding ticket from the Corvallis cops about 9 years ago. I was just entering town through the main entrance (the gates of the city) on HWY 210 (34) coming over the bridge on the Williamette river, its kind of a tricky spot, because the bridge blocks your view of the street lights, while you have all the momentum from coming down over the curvature of the bridge. I saw the light (it was yellow) realized I had too much momentum to stop, and punched it through (+10 miles over the speed limit). I was pulled over and the officer said that I had been speeding, gave me the news, and gave me a ticket for the 10+ over the speed limit (I think it was 25, and I was going ~35). The funny thing was, was that it was 11pm at night in the middle of the summer — so nobody’s around. Not that that validates or justifies my speeding, but then the officer told me something interesting. He told me the intersection was the 2nd most dangerous intersection in the state. I didn’t believe him, and I still don’t because as far as I can tell the city hasn’t done a damn thing to correct the situation, the road hasn’t changed (maybe some minor rework of the pavement, and the city welcome sign)….but nothing to make it safer for the public. Makes me think he was earning his wages that night, or he was trying to scare some sense into me….I still don’t quite understand.

  • rsteve503 says:
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    I drove like a maniac back in the days I went to OSU, but never got a ticket from the city cops….in fact, never got a ticket anywhere, now that I think about it, but that was the days before radar guns.

    Those old days were special for fast drivers. No one growing up since then has any real idea how good it was, and how much fun you could have on the highways. I had a cheap sports car that would do 105 flat out, redlined in top gear and I often drove that on the highways. In fact I would race friends or even folks I just encountered on the road. On fridays, get out of class and race to Portland for an evening out, commonly getting there in under an hour. I once went to Grants Pass in just 2 hours.

    Funny thing was, the more expensive the car, the less inclined to race. Never could get a Corvette to race with me.

    Great days for fast drivers….

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    The ESPN bias is showing, OSU’s Marable is mentioned on their college football page.

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    For the duck troll(s) that keeps posting here…

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/02/oregon_state_beavers_football_67.html

    A comparison of Cliff Harris and Malcolm Marable.

  • bowdowntooregon says:
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    lmfao at the beavos. i’d try to get kicked out from osu too if I had to have to live in Corn Valley!

    • Afghanbeav says:
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      Haha! That sould offend me, but I’ve been to Eugene and Springfield. Please tell me what makes your city superior to Corvallis? Spare me no detail.

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        Parts of Springfield look like a third world country, but I like Eugene and Corvallis both. As for all of this drunk/speeding crap……don’t break the f-ing law and you won’t have a problem.

        • Jack says:
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          Actually, Springfield is probably the better place on average. There are parts of Eugene you don’t go to at night anymore. There are some parks you can’t play in. And a lot of houses in what were once nice neighborhoods (nice achitecture, big lots, etc.) are run down shit holes with jungles for yards. And the streets are the worst in terms of disrepair. How can a city who is constantly blocking traffic with road crews have such crappy roads?

          There are only about three “pockets of affluence” in Springfield (where the wealthy live). And there’s one swath between Roseboro/Weyerhaeuser and Weyerhaeuser/Kingsford where I would say the population is a little sketchy. But I wouldn’t fear for my life, health or property anywhere over there.

          And the “triad’ of Eugene (two families and one investment group who own the town) has run the town into the dirt as best they can with the intent of tearing down and re-developing downtown and the areas near the university for their own enrichment. Everything that has been proposed to alleviate the problems (congestion, crime, mass transit, city services) has been blocked by the monied interests in this town for almost two decades now.

          Springfield has been steadily building throughout W’s economy. They welcomed mass transit, and they make zoning concessions for businesses. Oh, and their roads are smooth. What’s up with that? What I don’t like is driving over there at night in certain areas. They have these funky yellow street lights that screw with my color vision. I already have a hard enough time with red and green lights. Those yellow suckers kill all color in my vision.

      • Timber! says:
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        Springfield. I live in it. They say there’s a “downtown”. Shall I say more.
        Eugene. They’ve been trying to “develop” a “downtown” since I’ve lived here. (a long time). Shall I say more. It’s still a little town with an out of place Nike influence over on campus.

        • Jack says:
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          Springfield’s “downtown” has looked better over the years. Their one-way Main and A Streets are weird. On Main there are businesses. On A there’s the lumber industry on one side for ten blocks, followed by the rental places… then what I think is just a lesser strip mall than West 11th for about 40 blocks more (more mom & pops than chain stores).

          They probably need to raze the place and start over if they want to call that first ten blocks “downtown.” I thought I heard recently that they were going to end the one-ways on Main and A.

          Where they’ve put a lot of effort into drawing business is Gateway/River Bend. That place is nothing like it was five years ago, let alone ten.

        • Timber! says:
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          …and as for the recent Beav thuggery trip ups…aren’t we just trying to live up to our Big Sisters in Eugene in *every* way. I realize we have a LONG way to go, even in the thuggery.

          • Jack says:
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            Little sister school. They’re younger and slightly smaller in population (and a lot smaller in their non-athletic footprint).

    • Jack says:
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      And hey puppy troll… who’s Regon, and why does s/he have to bow down to hear you too?

  • SalemBeav says:
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    I think Angry needs to implement a NO Fowl language policy. This site has been an oasis away from the middle school trolls of O’Live. There has been a Duck on here that was a class act. These kids are not. Costco started carrying Duck jerky, and my dog loves it, except she has been creating Duck trolls in the yard that I will have to clean up. Duck Trolls: We really don’t care what you think, and if you actually read this site you would understand this site Adults. So finish your homework, so you can get to bed and be rested for 7th grade tomorrow.

    • angry says:
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      Yes. Duck trolls, either add something or shut your bills.
      Consider this an admonition.

      • presleydog says:
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        why do we have duck trolls on a beaver site- that’s why I come here so I don’t have to put up with their bs. dirty ass ducks.

        • BeavMonkey says:
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          presley, don’t stoop to their level.

          • Jack says:
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            Wait… if we don’t bow down to their level… wait… that’s a duck troll? Why is duck troll emulating puppy troll?

            Now I’ve seen everything… a duck troll who wants to be a puppy troll.

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    I expect the forthcoming quote from MR… “I hate it when my players do bad stuff.” “it would be neat if they didn’t” JB

    PS: When do the CBI tickets go on sale?…. I’m getting a bad case of CBI Madness.

    PPS: In honor of our CB’s…. “cheers”

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    Actually the last one wasn’t drinking, and no word what the infraction of the first was. And personally, I have ridden a bike faster on the freeways in CA, than Marable. I did some work for a Chiropractor that had one of his Vipers at 180 just outside of Jefferson. I had 10 tickets and 2 accidents by the time I was 18, so maybe OSU is holding the bar a little higher. Anyway, we have a flotilla of RB’s that can convert to CB’s.

  • beaverkman says:
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    Cliff’s update on off=season workouts and whose standing out

    http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2012/02/23/whos-having-a-strong-offseason/

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      That’d be great if Seumalo (the other one) really did step up as the sleeper on the defensive line.

      • Jack says:
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        I think he was technically the best we had at DT last year. He was just light in the rear and got handled too much. If he’s playing at 295 this fall, he could be a nice sleeper.

        Still, he should be our depth at the position, not the starter of record before spring ball.

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          Not saying much. Hope the offseason helps him We are thin at that position.

    • Jack says:
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      Just saw angry’s comment on Welch. For the record, we’ve talked about him before, and I think he was one of those kids who should have been more highly recruited. But he played 2A ball in Washington, and that seems to kill dreams right there.

      He was a state champ at 285# in wrestling his senior year, and he threw a pretty good shot (56′ I think). He was going to AFA in 2010, but I hear he’s such a Beav fan that he abandoned that plan and enrolled at OSU in 2011 instead… like Vieru did with PSU.

  • Beavergopher says:
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    Maybe Marable was practicing his looking back for the ball drill and didn’t notice the speedometer climbing?

    Looks like the boneheads are dealing with the excess player vs schollies problems. Kick them off to send a message. Last year was a joke with Castro and the TE’s. Riley lost a lot of cred with me and I
    ‘m sure with his players. If the punishment also punishes the team the upperclassmen leaders should kick some ass internally so that more of this crap does not happen.

  • Ackrite says:
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    Thought is was interesting from Ted Miller this morning when writing about Spring Ball. This has been brought up multiply times here during Isaac recruitment

    “Elite recruit Isaac Seumalo arrives in the fall and could immediately contend for playing time. If he doesn’t end up on defense, where he might be needed more (just saying). “

    • angry says:
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      It will gain merit and momentum (on the other sites) now that Ted Miller said it. ;)

      • Ackrite says:
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        I mostly posted it because a seemed like a majority of the comments thought this was Ridiculous and how could you even suggest it. I not a huge fan of the idea in general but given the fact the Riley refused to recruit DT I’m not sure what use you do.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      It’s not going to happen, nor do I like the idea anyways. While the DT play was less than spectacular last year, it’s not the major reason we went 3-9. The primary reason was the atrocious offensive line play that resulted in us not being able to keep our offense on the field. I think it would be a horrible idea to move the best recruit we’ve ever gotten, at the biggest position of need our team has, to a new position simply because we don’t like the DT candidates. Not to mention Issac has said he wants to play on the offensive line anyways.

      • Jack says:
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        Besides, we went through this discussion months ago. It’s not a terrible idea. It’s just old and settled.

  • locusimperium says:
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    any of you hear about this regarding former OSU baseball player Rob Summers?

    http://www.spiritmag.com/features/article/luck_and_desire/

    • Jack says:
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      I remember the accident. And I remember reading about the surgery he had. But I had no idea the breadth and depth of his organization or the success it’s played in what he’s done since. That’s a really well written article.

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