31.Jan.2013 General Discussion

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Discuss recruiting, Cal hoops, JackBeav's Bengal Lancers memorabilia collection, etc.

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  • homefry says:
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    Recruiting = Feb. 6, Cal Hoops = tonight, Jack’s collection = timeless

  • helmsley says:
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    I’m being defeatist here, but if Cal talent is equal to or even somewhat less than OSU’s, CR won’t be able to counter Mike Montgomery’s coaching. I seem to recall, however, that I mentioned that last year and Jack gave a different perception of Montgomery’s ability. I don’t recall Jack’s take on it and I’m not going to the archives, but if he (Jack) could sound forth again . . .

    • Jack says:
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      Monty is an awesome regular season coach. I think only Tad Boyle might rival him (and I have to give a nod to Altman as well) in the Pac. Miller and Romar are good because of recruiting. They’re not particularly good coaches, but they can get the best talent and keep their egos in the form of a team long enough to be successful. That’s a different kind of coaching.

      Bone is a train wreck who wouldn’t survive if his entire team didn’t play like a poor man’s Bill Laimbeer or Rick Mahorn every game. If you were watching the Wazzu game, you would have seen one of the most brutal offensive fouls in the history of the game. I’m not talking about the BS calls those really really really… really shitty refs called throughout the game. I’m talking about Moreland’s foul about halfway through the second half. Nobody really said anything about the foul, but Moreland came into that lay-up with his knee lifting into the jaw of the defender intentionally. That’s how beyond “chippy” the refs let that game get. It was just a display of a bunch of thugs with police backing.

      Sendek sucks as a person and a coach. But he does get great talent every now and then. He’ll lose a ton of games with moderate talent, but he’ll win with it. Manic results signify poor coaching.

      I don’t know why O’Neill ever had a head coaching job. I remember him from Hoop Dreams, and I wondered then why anyone would ever play for that guy. Apparently nobody does.

      The jury’s still out on Coach K. He inherited a mess, so he gets a pass for now.

      Howland is one of the worst coaches out there. I would be a better, more successful coach at UCLA. He just rolls the ball out on the court and tells his players to go play. If he has moderate talent (relative to UCLA), then his teams roam somewhere near .500. If he has relatively good to great talent, his teams win. But it’s not because of him. I’m surprised the players even allow him to call time-outs.

      So that leaves Coach Rob and Dawkins. Both are “preparation” coaches who have raised the level of their programs from the cellar to just above average in terms of everything a coach does to lay a foundation where once there was only rubble. They’re able to get better than average talent to sign on. They’re good enough to understand the game and prepare their teams for the opposition. But they don’t really have the experience to go head to head with other coaches and/or teams on this level game in and game out.

      This type of coach is one who teaches throughout the year until his team finally gets it. The problem is that if you don’t have superior talent you don’t win out in early league games enough to bolster your record with a late-season run. And those early league losses are just on the edge. If the Beavs would have won their close losses last season, they would probably have gone to the Tourney after the UW win in the Pac Tourney… as an at-large in a weak league.

      Ifs and buts….

      Talent levels on both teams continue to rise slightly every year. Injury killed our floor, but depth is still greater than it was four, ten, fifteen years ago.

      We as Beav fans can either wait out our own coach’s development (which isn’t far off), or we can go back to the coaching-go-round and get another. I personally will wait until next year for results due to circumstance. But I will be at the forefront of dissenting voices if the program doesn’t take the next step next year. And if that happens I will also be screaming that we need to spend some coin to get an already developed coach, or we are just resetting the clock to five years ago.

  • osu2008 says:
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    I feel Monty doesn’t have his heart into Cal like he did with Stanford, IMHO. Good news, won’t have to see Jay John’s ugly face on the bench as he was “moved” into athletic administration over the summer at Cal.

    • Jack says:
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      I still don’t forgive Big Joe for missing JJ’s head when he lept out of bounds over the Cal bench to save a ball a couple years ago. It was an extreme athletic effort to miss him, but the story would have been so much better if he would have clocked the loser.

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    I think the Ducks forgot to lockup the honor bar on last yesterday’s charter flight. JB

    • beaver strikeforce says:
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      Too bad for the ducks that they couldn’t eliminate Stanford from the schedules this year.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    An argument for split carries, though one based primarily on elite backs with NFL futures:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130131/running-back-recruiting-reality-alabama/?sct=uk_t11_a4

    I think this argument is attractive to somebody like Tyner, who already seem injury prone and also wants to run track. In the UO offense, a back can still get in on big plays even with shared/few carries.

    OSU finally has the depth to rotate backs, and many here have advocated for a diversified approach in the running game. When Jacquizz Rodgers was here, Riley didn’t trust anyone else, and Quizz was the classic “feature” back.

    I suspect Woods will come back bigger, stronger, and maybe a little faster, Wards will be ready, Brown (some speed!) will hopefully get some touches, and after redshirting Mattison (one of my incoming faves) and Haskins will probably work their way into the conversation.

    • Jack says:
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      I agree, except I think Brown will make the most of his touches. That kid is soooooo good, it’s scary.

      I’m very happy with Ward’s progress. And I just have to say I saw it coming when he didn’t even have an offer. The kid works hard to be a team player, and it shows. He’s the type of depth we should have at every position… undervalued but skilled and competent… early in his career. His upside isn’t much more than what he did this past year, but he has great value as depth. And Anderson is the same. It turns out that kid probably should have been offered as well. I absolutely love the De la Salle kids and their work ethics.

      Woods, IMO, runs too upright. He has awesome feet which are better than his vision. I don’t see him getting much better than he was this past year unless he learns to lower his shoulders through the line. He’s going to continue to get his bell rung until he does so.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Quizz reportedly stays in contact with Woods and encourages/teases him to get stronger. Quoted as telliing Woods to hit the weights and that Woods “had arms like a wide receiver.” I expect Woods will be responsive to this and come back noticeably stronger.

        I agree on the upright running style though and wonder too if that will change. Some guys, Stevenson, Polk(?) – who was that RB that went for an even 100 yards against USC in the Moore-led upset? – seem to run upright but move well enough laterally that they remain effective. Guys like McCants and Woods (to a lesser degree) seem too upright and less agile and therefore less effective and prone to the hits you mention.

        • Jack says:
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          McCants went all tippie toes in the hole. Woods keeps his momentum and lifts his feet with purpose. So that’s not a fair comparison. Stevenson ran with lower pads (and lower power). Polk might be a good comparison. Polk wasn’t as good with the feet, but he was similar.

          I like Woods. I just thought he would retain his footwork and acceleration while learning to dip into the line like a Matt Forte or a Chris Brown (of Colorado and Titan fame). But the tape on Woods shows he doesn’t finish runs on the second level. He’s pretty much fine sifting through traffic in the hole. but he goes down after 10 or 15 yards with a high shot too often. The defenders in the hole go after legs and torso. The defenders on the second level go after whatever they can hit. Too often, Woods is running on the second level like he’s in the hole. And he gets hit in the head because of it.

          Chris Brown (of future OSU fame) has the same ability to hit the second level. But he also has extreme balance and vision once he gets therelothesline. He will duck a clothesline tackle and redirect for additional yards. But he can also take account of his position and just drive for everything he can get once the situation turns into a sure tackle. Woods doesn’t do this. He continues to dance until he gets hit in the head. I wonder if he has literal vision problems sometimes. It’s not like baseball where immortals like Gwynn and Boggs go get corrective lenses to bring their game back to the 20/10 vision they saw when they were younger. That’s not the “vision” I’m talking about. But it might have something to do with the vision to which I am referring.

          • Jason Barker says:
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            Good post Jack.
            I actually like Agnew’s running style and power better than Woods and he may still be the starter if he could hang on to the ball. So disappointing because his potential is high also.

            • Jack says:
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              I agree. He’s shifty and smooth. But the ball is a priority.

            • oneoldbeav says:
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              PAC12 recently rebroadcast the Badger game (’12) and I was surprised at how many carries Agnew had that I’d forgotten. I agree his potential is high. On that day the ball security thing didn’t seem to hold him back but one has to figure that it’s always in the back of his mind. That’s probably a good thing for his performance, but OTOH the initial perception that he has problems surely reduces his playing time.

              I am impressed with the ability to move the pile which Ward has demonstrated. Really do hope Riley takes advantage of the stable of RB’s he now has, there should be no excuse for not utilizing the Split Carries ObjCritic mentioned as well as running some two back sets.

          • mckalk says:
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            Do you remember Ryan Cole? He looked like he would be a beast, but every time he took a handoff he would find the pile, run straight in to it and fall down.

            • Jack says:
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              Cole was an integral part of our 2006 season.

              Well… ok… he was an integral part of the first game of that season.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    I like the attitude of Manase Hungalu and hope the assessment of his open space tackling ability is accurate.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/01/signing_day_countdown_oregon_s_4.html

  • bone says:
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    Go BEAVS!

  • Beavblazer says:
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    article with coaches giving feedback on the new recruiting rules which take effect Aug. 1st

    • Jack says:
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      Are you talking about this?
      http://oregonstate.scout.com/2/1262437.html

      I don’t know where anyone gets the idea there will be no dead/quiet/restricted periods. This article shows that even the supposedly smartest coaches out there are feeding the dumb jock stereotype.

      Yes, PSA’s will get no sleep if they choose to get no sleep. What this rule does is it allows college coaches to dump the Lyles and Yelvertons of the world. It allows them to contact the PSA directly ad nauseum. Someone like Chip Kelly doesn’t have to call a Willie Lyles once a day or more just to keep tabs on a kid because his once-a-week call was already used. And when calls are made to street agents like Lyles during the dead period, it will stand out that much more.

      Look at what Kelly did with LMJ and Seastrunk. He called Lyles quite a bit because Lyles was directing traffic under the old rules–once a week contact. When dead periods arrived, calls to Lyles increased and were obviously more concentrated. And that was under the old rules.

      Now there will be no reason to call a street agent except for the dead periods. Imagine going from five calls a week to none then hitting a dead period when the agent gets five calls a day. That’s as sore a thumb as you can show.

      This is all done to cut out the middle-man. Street agents suck. If you’re a school who doesn’t get on TV every week, those agents will tell coaches to fuck off… without the PSA even knowing you were even interested. They don’t “steer” PSA’s. What they do is restrict access so that only those coaches they approve of get to talk to the PSA’s. Normally, these agents get their cut on the back end when the PSA’s get drafted. You know this because the agents are sitting with the kids on draft day itself. i would be completely surprised if Yelverton was not sitting with Keenan Allen in this year’s NFL draft… even though he has a duty to be the softball coach at the Juco over the hill from Berkeley.

      This ruling takes out the white noise. It makes it all cut and dry. It will never keep Calipari types from having intermediaries do all the dirty work for them, keeping them in “plausible deniability” territory according to physical records. But it begins to cut into that and the more common street agent phenomenon.

      • Beavblazer says:
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        thanks for adding the link, somehow forgot to paste it.

        Agents sitting with draftees? like this?
        https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5KGCGQDEeK33guNbFiDcBf9fCEzliBP3q592wD6PmQ8IpDIdI

        Love how Oregon fans claims they never got any benefit from Will Lyles since Seastrunk never played. How come LaMichael James never comes up as the smoking gun?

        I get what you’re saying about the rules being there to help cut out the middle men, but I just don’t think the new rules will stop the cheaters from cheating. If anything, it just means the kids will get bombarded with phone calls at all hours of the day. I couldn’t imagine trying to concentrate on finals and SAT’s in high school with my phone ringing non-stop.

        • Jack says:
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          The cheaters won’t stop cheating. But they will be more obvious.

          Think about it this way. The NCAA has to sift through umpteen million calls to figure out if they’re fine. This rule is the equivalent of when the Baltimore Police forced drug trafficking below such and such street in The Wire.

          You know it’s going to happen. But make it happen in a concentrated area. Anyone who steps outside that area is easily nabbed.

          I know it’s hard to see from an outside view. We think these kids get no calls except for their “list of five.” That’s not true. And it’s worse if they have agents like a Lyles or Yelverton. These characters will call on a daily basis… and more. They are purportedly the PSA’s “friends,” but they are calling and taking hours out of the kids’ time to make sure their investment is vested on the back end… if they don’t get $25k checks to hold them over.

          The kids now will have the right to block any numbers they want. They won’t have to rely on a Lyles character the day after a call to hear that, “Coach Kelly really liked his talk with you yesterday. You’re his type of player.”

          I’m not being obtuse about this shit. This has happened in hoops forever. The gatekeepers don’t steer. They restrict access. And the limited calls have kept coaches from breaking that access down. If you’re Coach B, and you want to talk to PSA A, then you need to call Street Agent C first under the current rules. C will still exist in the future, but you have a chance to ignore C and go straight for A if you, as B, want the kid. B can always block you or ignore you on his own. But we all know what collectors and telemarketers do. All it takes is one contact to just get A to listen. Then C is out of the picture.

          That’s the goal. Coach K (Duke) broke the current rule on purpose this last summer. He knows what’s up. Who’s going to prosecute Coach K for a minor violation no matter how blatant and “in your face” it might be? He didn’t call the kid’s street agent, which would have been totally within NCAA rules. He called the fucking kid while he was sitting four rows behind him at an AAU game. And the kid answered the phone. Everyone who was anyone was there and saw it all happen.

          I like that Coach K guy.

          • Jack says:
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            B? A? Lost track. That’s how easy it is.

          • Beavblazer says:
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            Coach K also lost that kid. Wasn’t it Poythress who plays for Kentucky now? Is there a dirtier program than Kentucky?

            • Jack says:
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              That was the point.

            • Jack says:
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              Sorry… that was the point in that he could have dealt with the PSA’s street agent and probably landed him if he wanted to do so. Proythress was gone early, and Coach K knew it. Kentucky should vacate more than half their historical wins due to admitted violations… under past, much more lenient rules. Current standing is no different… except they’re so good at it they won’t ever admit it anymore… and they won’t have to.

              • Beavblazer says:
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                Gotta wonder if Mitch Barnhart were still here, would we have a similar culture in OSU athletics? He’s permitted it at Kentucky since he left OSU, and I wouldn’t exactly say OSU ran a “clean” program under Erickson while Barnhart was here.

                • Jack says:
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                  Don’t blame Barnhart. No AD at UK has any real power. Think of college sports with a K Street that has been there since WWII. That’s UK to a T. Barnhart is only required to round up the usual suspects every once in a while… and even they won’t get time.

                  • Jack says:
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                    And the same holds true for Barnhart if he would have stayed here… to a lesser degree since historical cheating isn’t a part of the fabric of OSU sports… obviously.

                    Reser was the man in the early 00’s. That’s not because he was the AD.

          • ace0099 says:
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            blocking a number is not as straight forward on a cellphone. And it varies with cell providers and type of phone you have. so just saying , just block an annoying incoming call is easier said than done

            • Beavblazer says:
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              very true. I had this really clingy chick named Lennay Kekua who kept calling me about a year ago. I tried to get her number blocked but T-Mobile wouldn’t let me. Luckily, she said she found another guy who she found more interesting.

            • Jack says:
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              Blocking a number is easy if you know where to look.

              I imagine google voice will become a popular tool in the next couple years.

              • Beavblazer says:
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                I’m already a big google voice fan. With a simple free Android app, you can make google voice calls free to anywhere when you have a wifi connection. Works great while in foreign countries and needing to call home, but the coolest part is being able to make phone calls while on an airplane (as long as their wifi has a decent connection). Pretty sure those fancy iphones can’t do it though.

                • Jack says:
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                  I was only talking about it in a recruiting context. But it is pretty cool.

                  Bad product doesn’t gain as much traction as awesome product. I think GV is the next wave.

        • Jack says:
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          Oh… and “agents sitting with draftees” is precisely what I’m talking about. That pic is typical in the hoops world. And less typical is that hoops has graduated to actual agents controlling the picture. They don’t even have to be in that draft day scenario. World Wide Wes is the best of them, but go ahead and look up the Pump Brothers and how they vowed to fuck up OSU hoops into the near future because OSU wouldn’t play ball.

          Fucksticks are fucksticks, and working with them doesn’t make them otherwise.

          Right Duckies?

  • Beavblazer says:
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    Reading that Bierria has canceled his visit to Oregon and that OSU is still the leader. Per Adam Gorney

  • Beavblazer says:
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    “Mama” is on the KEJO radio show live talking recruiting. Listen here:

    http://kejo-am.tritondigitalmedia.com/common/page.php?id=100

  • beaverkman says:
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    @LJGinger
    Oregon has moved away from Keishawn Bierria after offerin Johnny Ragin III…KB will choose between OS and UW.

    @HuskyNationESPN
    @jweedston Still working on some confirmations, but Robinsons twins and Keishawn Bierria are among the official visitors. #HuskyNationchat

    • Beavblazer says:
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      Hoping Ragin stays at CAL. Thought he was partially driven by academics? Why Oregon then?

      • Jack says:
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        Because he’s not driven by academics. Remember a couple years ago when Tyler Johnstone wanted to go somewhere he could become an engineer? A Duck friend of mineI had a good chuckle when he finally committed then signed with Nikegon.

        Since the syllabus for becoming an engineer at Nikegon is “major in physics then transfer to OSU” (in a nutshell), I think BS is the call on what PSA’s say when they’re being recruited.

        • beaverkman says:
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          I almos want him to go to uo, just so it would give me more pain, like a self inflicted razor cut. Just shows where we are in the recruiting ladder in the state and regional. It pains me to see how poorly we do with the in-state recruits. Not because I think we need Oregon players, but when there are top notched talent in the state we should get some of them, and because we are not it shows a huge problem in recruiting. BYU, UW, UO, Arizona have all got recruits from this state this year alone, yet we have NONE. This has been a problem for years.

          • Jack says:
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            I’m not bothered by the lack of chasing Ragin. I think the kid in Truckee (Zak Pettit) and Chad Bach are local targets who are undervalued. But I’m not buying Ragin on measurables alone. And if he’s shunned us up to now (not likely… not?), then he can gth.

            I don’t see anything special about Ragin that makes him a football player. I see more in lesser prospects like Dallin Leavitt or Evan Colorito. I do feel pain for our school since we couldn’t bring Kearsley home. He’s really the only premiere Oregon prospect I think has a chance beyond college… except for Bryson Sullivan if he ever stops being injured.

            I lie. I would like Doug Brenner as a DT prospect. He’ll be a good OL, but he’s a wrecker, not a protector.

            And who’s to say Tyner doesn’t make it to the next level to get a bencher’s paycheck? He’s fast. That counts for something. He’ll never have to block and only sometimes catch the ball. So holding a clipboard will be more productive than 50% of his time on the field. But that’s his choice.

            • beaverkman says:
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              Brenner, Kirkland, Tyner, Kearsley, and Ragin are all guys I think we should have been in on. Only Kearsley gave us any time of day. But its not just this year, Balducci, Barafo, Lowe, Lylera are all recruits we didn’t even have a sniff.

              Nevermind me I am just whining, this time of year brings that out in me. I just wish we would recruit a little bit better, I am not saying Top 20 class, but Top 30 is within reach, but we never can pull it off.

              • Jack says:
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                Drop Kirkland and Ragin… add Turituri and Bach.

                And drop Voeller if you think he should be added. I’m told Nikegon is looking for someone to replace him at his position but will take him if they must.

          • BeavItOrNot says:
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            If Ragin going to UO helps us land Bierria as those tweets suggest, I am all for it.

            • Jack says:
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              I am fully in support of our efforts to get Bierria. I love that kid’s game. angry has talked for ages about another Doggett. I think he’s the one.

              • ObjCritic says:
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                I wish there were a way to insert photos in our posts. There’s a great photo of Doggett scoring in the CW, about 2-3 ducks trying to stop him from reaching the goal line.

                THAT’s the kind of LBs OSU needs for the spread and read option offenses they face. Now that Bray’s a full time coach, it’d be nice to bring Doggett back in some capacity. What happened to him, did he end up playing in Canada for a while?

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    Go Beavs!

    • Jack says:
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      Isn’t that implied?

      • Jack says:
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        Apparently not to the blind?

        I apologize to the blind right now. I’m simply looking for a true answer.

    • Jack says:
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      See Jason?

      Easy peasy… right down the garden path… by their noses.

      And it’s funnier when you tell them you’re doing it.

  • Jack says:
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    I just heard a Lonnie Mack song on the radio… and it was a good one.

    I sit here stunned.

    • Jack says:
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      Yes. Fucktard says -1 to Lonnie Mack.

      I must submit.

      • Jack says:
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        Awesome!

        Can I get one more -1 from those I’m not manipulating?

        Please?

        • Jack says:
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          Perfection.

          Tool-la-tool-la-tool-la-tool-rah….

          • Jack says:
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            Fuck-tards become waste-tards?

            Do we not know I’m manipulating you moron(s)?

            Do we not care?

            • Jack says:
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              I’m going with apathy.

              I really want to go with stupidity. Ignorance is out of the question since I’ve spelled out my mastery of you all… albeit defaulted mastery.

  • slamadam says:
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    every time we play cal i’m reminded of when montgomery was doing color analysis for fsn (back when fsn was still a thing) and essentially called the beavers the biggest joke he’d ever seen. shit, five years later and the perception probably hasn’t changed a whole lot. crabbe’s gonna kill the 131, probably going to be a long night. go beavs.

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    Does anyone have a link to watch the game tonight? I’m not near a TV with ESPNU

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    Found one: http://www.firstrow1.eu/sport/basketball.html

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    good lord Allen Crabbe looks like yoda with those ears!

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    Beavers up 41-33 at the half. But again they need to keep the intensity and focus when they come out for the 2nd half. Winning a game like this would be huge for their confidence. Need to come out early in the 2nd half and extend this lead. Just need to keep getting the ball deep in the paint and they’ll win this game.

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    Eric Moreland misses so many dunks

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    Oregon State’s big men have had a pretty brutal 2nd half

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    I wonder if Roberto’s dad is at the game.

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    Moreland is having a really bad game. Can’t make a free throw.

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      Another turnover and then commits a foul. Almost to the point Craig Robinson has to bench him, he’s not helping the team tonight

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    Make f’ing free throw Moreland!

  • uncanny says:
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    We’d be unbeaten if games ended at halftime. This is a terrible second half team.

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    can the beavers snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again?

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Another Beavers loss. A game they were in complete control of and they lose. Yet again. Cal has outhustled Oregon State in the last 10 minutes and that’s what killed OSU on that possession.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Down 3 and they don’t get a shot. Holy fucking shit.

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      I was just thinking how rare it is for a team not to even get an attempt off these day. Sometimes you see a steal, but usually not five guys running around clueless.

      Luck O’ the Beavs.

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    Does CR know what time outs are for. Wow that was pathetic coaching again.

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      and it will always be this way until that fucktard has been shown the door. NIce adjustment by Cal a halftime. We continue to stand pat and continue to lose. Fuck you Robinson

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        You mean the yard ape?

        I mean that in the totally innocent sense… just like you did.

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          he isn’t deserving of a term of endearment. I will just call him fucktard

    • Jack says:
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      How so?

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    CR sucks. What a way to lose. Ralph Miller is spinning in his grave.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      CR accepts blame in postgame radio, then immediately mentions the players failure.
      Calls to mind Hillary accepting blame for Benghazi and then explaining how she did everything right.

      • Jack says:
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        Wtf does Benghazi have to do with anything?

        In fact, what stupid fucking moron thinks the USA is the all-powerful entity on this earth and can do no wrong? What dumb fuck thinks we can be the ultimate super hero for all our people overseas always?

        Maybe idiot boy with his “can’t find any WMD’s under here” jokes while FUCKING AMERICANS WERE DYING FOR HIS FUCKING LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        ?

        Yes? Is he your fucking hero?

        Lay off the Benghazi bullshit which has never had any merit, and I will lay off idiot boy and his lies and his war crimes and his KILLING OF AMERICANS, CHILDREN AND INNOCENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          YES WE CAN!

          • Jack says:
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            Yes you can what?

            • Jack says:
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              Or are you just informing us that you preserve jellies and pickled goods?

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                wasn’t that Obama’s slogan in 2008?

                • Jack says:
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                  Don’t know… don’t care.

                  Does it do anything?

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                    It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again

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                    Ahhh… those silly Exeter grads.

                    Hold on… idiot boy went to Andover… well… for a post-grad year to get his grades high enough for Yale to gift him his totally deserving legacy admission.

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                I would get into canning and pickling if I had the time and supplies. It could be a good discussion. But I haven’t gone there yet.

                Honestly, my can openers and lanced bengals take up too much space for me to take on that kind of project.

                What was I talking about?

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          Benghazi is just another example of a person in a leadership position “accepting blame” in a totally false and disingenuous manner, ala CR last night.

          One doesn’t have to believe the USA is “the all powerful entity” to know that contingency plans on the anniversary of 9/11, especially in the mideast, should be at a high level. The idea that an anti-muslem video sparked this sad event doesn’t even pass the smell test.

          heh, heh, did someone mention manipulation??

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            I think you think your logic follows through on itself. It doesn’t. Would the White House done better to just say, “We can’t comment on the specifics at this time,” like every other police investigation out there? Sure. But to put on our tinfoil hats and scream ALIENS IN AREA 51 is just silly. The tape of stupidity you reference caused a problem in more ways than one. Benghazi was not the only foreign US installation having a large angry crowd outside its doors that day. And it also was not the only hot spot where US personnel were on the move for safety.

            Would you like to hear the official truth from the WH? Would you like to hear that the US is spread far too thin to handle situations like this? Would that make you feel safer in the end? Or would that just endanger all of our personnel overseas and embolden the criminals?

            That would be the height of irresponsibility if the WH were to do that. They would represent our personnel better by stepping out from behind the dais, lifting their shirts, picking lint out of their belly buttons and eating it on camera.

            Yet you whine for the irresponsible.

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    another fine strategy by CR Joe Burton throws it away and we go for layin down 3 and only 3 team fouls. CR needs to invest in a white board so at least he can fake a last play! Very disappointed in another 2nd half collapse by the Beavs.

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      He prefers a blackboard.

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      Yeah, I was going to mention that also. What the hell does CR talk about in the huddle or if these guys aren’t listening they need to be called out. You cannot go for two down three with 7 seconds left and 4 fouls to give. There’s no time!

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    99.9% of college coaches call a TO at the end of the game to set up an in bounds play to get a good look. CR chooses to do nothing because he has no fucking clue what to do. I feel bad for these players because they deserve better.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Oregon State football and basketball is around solely to torture the fanbase. So many excruciating losses.

    • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      like I wrote the other day. being a beaver fan is a sure fire way to full blown alcoholism

  • Beavergopher says:
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    Back to football recruiting.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Thank god the baseball season starts in 2 weeks

    • Jack says:
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      Oh joy!

      I really hope we don’t have any road games which should be won if a certain third base coach would wave a runner home in a certain late inning.

      That might set me off.

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    We have Starks, the master of jacking up terrible 3’s, yet we can’t get one off at the end of the game. What the fuck is up with that?? Maybe CR knows a secret rule where unused T.O.’s get converted into points after the season and we actually won this game and clinched an NCAA tourney bid.

    This is so pathetic, all I can do is chuckle at the complete ineptitude of Beaver Basketball. The glory days of raising C.B.I. Championship banners into the rafters are long gone.

    • Jack says:
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      You are so right.

      We have a guy who shoots one for three from trey-land… or four for nine from the field overall, and it must be his fault.

      Meanwhile, that big who was one for four from the field and two for eight from the line was just friggin’ awesome.

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        Moreland was crap last night.

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        I’ll just ignore the second and third paragraphs because they have nothing to do with my original post. The first four words were nice.

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          You spoke to quality of shots, and nothing belies quality like percentages.

          The third paragraph illustrated someone who killed that final play on his own when he shouldn’t have been in the game anyway. The obvious coaching error was personnel who did touch the ball, not one who didn’t.

          Yes, still pathetic.

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    “Hooray…Hip…Hip!!!” Dyslexic Bengal Lancer 1873

  • uncanny says:
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    Just to add some more pessimistic fuel to the fire, Beavers Basketball and Football have gone 4-12 in their last 16 combined games. Most of those losses have come in excruciating fashion. Udub, Stanford, Texas, and the annual Civil War massacre in football and all the blown second half leads in basketball.

    We better be rewarded with a College World Series Title for having to put up with all this other shit.

  • Jack says:
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    I stand by what I wrote a couple threads ago. The youth are our future, and Barton should start.

    LMW has arrived. Kid is killer. I like him more now that he’s confident in his shot. I’m thinking he should start too.

    So… my starting line-up from here on out is Barton, Berto, LMW, Collier and Moreland… with Starks, Burton, Reid and Schaft playing quality minutes.

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      I have some nice swamp land you might be interested in.

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        I didn’t say it was going to happen any time soon. And that line-up would look a lot better with Angus in for Moreland.

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          Throw in a new head coach and an actual point guard who’s not named Challe and I’m with you. You’ve got me really excited about the 2016 season!

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            There’s nothing wrong with Barton so long as he’s feeding scorers. The Beavs are better with him on the floor.

            And I’m a little peeved at LMW only getting bench minutes. He’s found his stroke from outside, and that just opens up the floor for Collier and Berto.

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              Part of the blame goes to Tubby Smith for last nights loss. Cobbs should still be a Gopher.

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    Lj Moore gives his top 4. Trying to build up hype.

    http://instagram.com/p/VLcITsIlw1/

  • Beavblazer says:
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    Reading Corey Lawrence has committed! Looking for a solid link still.

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      http://oregonstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1467059

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        Not offered by the two instate BCS schools? Angry’s low hanging fruit theory.

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          No Feb surprises yet. If we can get through next Wed. with no decommits, I will be shocked.
          As a Beaver fan I am conditioned to expect the worst. Hoping for the best. Go Beavs!

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            He is a top level talent. I think he will be considered for the return game and maybe defense. I think this is reaction to Tatum Taylor most likely going to Asu for track. They look like they are looking for a return guy/special teams.

            The reason he doesn’t have a lot of offers are his grades. I don’t know where he stands but a scout from Oklahoma said that “his talent is not in question, but its all academics with him”

            Hope he gets in, or resigns after going to JC.

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            Kind of a let down that no one’s been arrested yet.

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        Well, he’s supposedly recruited by Rod Perry, so that’s encouraging. They sure are getting the DBs this year.

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          Kid played some wide receiver in high school, but his coach said he’s a “natural fit” at DB.

          Is that a subtle way of saying “kid can’t catch for shit”?

          Seems to have breakaway speed in his video. Repeatedly outrunning the entire defense in his highlight tape.

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    I am kind of doubting CR gets fired this year. Change is slow at OSU, there is not a ton of money there, and most of the team is coming back. I am kind of waffling between rooting for another debacle next year and CR getting shown the door and an actual good season. Not having Joe will be a plus… I am hoping that Moreland goes to Europe too, not having to watch his horrendous offense and overrated defense would be a plus.

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      he won’t. they’ll blame it on injuries and we’ll be stuck with the same old shit next year

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    A winning season now means winning six of the next ten. Will the CBI take the Beavs at 15-16 or 15-17? That would be some exciting post-season basketball, sign me up! JB

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      I think so… considering the Gazelle connection. It is more a matter of if they have enough self respect to turn the CBI down knowing that they are not worthy.

    • Jack says:
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      I’m not caring about wins and losses this year. I think the good come with better personnel decisions.

      The season was lost some time ago, so throw the youth out there.

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    Love this headline: “Beavers lose by 3 (but still have four timeouts left)”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/02/osu_basketball_by_the_numbers_6.html#incart_river

    Is Riley serving as a clock management consultant to CR?

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      “After the game, Robinson admitted he should have used one of his timeouts there and called it “inexcusable.””

      Wonder if Robinson berates himself publicly when he makes mistakes?

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        It’s a double-edged sword. If CR calls a TO, then Monty just tells his kids to foul on the inbound and put us on the line for two. Then time runs out as we have to still foul them four times just to get a FT parade started.

        That’s all I thought of regarding TO’s as I watched time run out. Then I turned to my wife:
        Me: That was special.
        Wife: *ha* At least you didn’t lose by 24.
        Me: Same difference.

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          Hate to agree with Jack on this one but it wasn’t CR’s fault. I’d bet good money that if you picked 5 people from this blog and said “Alright boys there’s 15 seconds on the clock, go shoot the fucking ball at the fucking hoop” we could probably manage to at least get a shot off. This one’s at least 75% on the players. If Coach Rob needs to use extra timeouts to go over the basics of shooting, then this team has bigger problems.

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            When Coach sees Burton having trouble in-bounding the ball-CALL A TIMEOUT! No time off the clock and you can reset. Moreland above the top of the key should never have been an option. In fact, having Moreland in there, you’re just begging CAL to foul him and send him to the line for 1 of 2 and game over since you don’t have time to foul for possession.

            If the game plan was to look for a 3, Moreland or Burton should have been replaced with Olaf. Maybe not the most consistent shooter on the team, but at least as a safety valve you know he’s going to get the ball in the air at worst. Burton and Moreland should not have been offensive options.

            “On the last play, Roberto Nelson tried to come off a double screen set by Eric Moreland and Devon Collier, but as Moreland popped out, Joe Burton could not inbound to Nelson and instead threw it to Moreland above the top of the key. Moreland didn’t see Ahmad Starks waving frantically for the ball, tried to get it to Nelson but instead tossed it to Burton. With Nelson still being denied the ball, Burton (0 for 1 from three-point range this season) searched for someone to pass to, then unloaded the ball toward Starks as time expired. “

  • Beavblazer says:
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    Is this what they mean by having a good “follow through” in basketball?

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    IAGDTBAB from Coach Cav just now. Not sure if this is for Lawrence earlier or another commit.

    Mike Cavanaugh ?@CoachCavOSU

    Great last week of recruiting. Cant wait until signing day. Having a great time in So Cal. It’s a great day to be a Beaver. #GoBeavs

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      He gets to be in warm weather on OSU’s dime……….great day to be a Beaver.
      Hope it is some stud OL recruit we had no idea we were in the game for.

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      Might be because he gets to stop at In-N-Out?

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      @MoschettiLM
      #OregonState assistant coach Matt Cavanaugh expected @ #LaMirada High School today to see #LaMiradaFootball prospects.. #LaMiradaFamily

      Lots 2014 kids

  • Jack says:
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    OT… if you missed it yesterday, Ray’s State of the University luncheon occurred. Some of the news is pretty awesome stuff.
    http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2013/01/31/oregon-state-gifts-for-engineering-arts.html

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Ahhh, if only BDC had been so bold…yeah I know, couldn’t afford to buy out Riley:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130201/texas-am-kevin-sumlin-recruiting-2013/?sct=uk_t11_a1

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/man-center-teo-hoax-says-145006683–ncaaf.html

    Can’t wait for the Onion follow-up:

    “Molestor who inspired Te’o Hoaxer says he was never Tebowed”

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      Ha, that writer kindof seems like a dick.

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      I don’t blame him, I would need an occasional shot to understand some of things bat shit crazy Leach tries to communicate. Maybe Leach went on another “fat little girlfriend” rant.

  • Bill says:
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    Mike Riley gets a shout out in the Harbaugh SuperBowl press conference.

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/The_Full_Harbaugh_Brothers_Press_Conference/67998679-f1f3-4e34-9675-71c4229fac4f

    At the 14:15 mark………….any recruits listening?

  • beavergopher says:
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    Question for Beaverkman. So is this our class? Any indications that some of the possibles will choose us or any surprises in the works?

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      I think this is pretty much it.
      If we get Keishawn Bierria then that would be needed. LJ Moore is still in play, both are announcing NSD, I think Moore goes somewhere else. Would be huge if we get both, best shot is Bierria. There are a couple others out there that may not sign on Wednesday. Ofa Hautau I heard might wait until March, probably to see if he has made grades. After NSD we should be offering walkons. Would love to see Edward Williams, but pretty sure we are too far away for his comfort, he would be a steal. I think he is between Tex Tech and La Tech.

      I don’t really see any verbals defecting, most seem real solid. In fact, I have not heard any getting any interest.

      I will wait to comment on the class until after NSD, but right now it seems average, and much like last years. It had the potential to be very strong but failed to close on some of top end talent. However get a few of the above and turns into above average class. Now the overall talent level is very good much much better than 3-4 years ago.

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    And now a new low in the Robinson era, Beavs are in the sole possession of last place as the Utes beat the Buffs on Rick Majerus Day in Salt Lake. Great day to be a Beaver!

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    Some notes from Eggers:

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/127503-beavers-land-d-end-eye-five-more-prospects-as-signing-date-nears

    I hadn’t heard about 6′-5″ 290 lb OT BlakenMuir. Played/started 12 games, had shoulder surgery and can’t play spring ball. “good player and guy” according to one reporter at Star-Advertiser. Muir may have been getting moved from LT to LG.

    http://warriorbeat.staradvertiserblogs.com/2013/01/15/muir-gets-release/

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      It’s not just Bellamy, that’s the other two official visitors for the weekend. And some hoes of course.

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      Maybe standard tobacco, legally available to anyone 18 and over, was in the bong.

      Maybe.

      Well, that should seal his commitment to Georgia…

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      “I didn’t even know it was there” HAHAHAHA

      The official visits are over for ESPN 300 defensive end Davin Bellamy (Chamblee, Ga./Chamblee). The 6-foot-4, 235 pound pass rusher has taken trips to Florida State, Tennessee, Georgia and Oregon, with the Ducks sneaking in for his last official over the weekend. The former Seminoles’ commitment said the trip went well, besides one small mishap.

      The talented recruit created quite the stir over the weekend when the recruit tweeted a photo of himself in an Oregon dorm room during his official. The photo, which he quickly deleted, showed Bellamy, along with several others, with what appears to be a water pipe. The device is commonly known for recreational drug use. When questioned about the incident, Bellamy’s tone quickly changed to regret and embarrassment.

      “I did not even know that was there,” Bellamy said. “These girls just told us to come in their room and take a pic and we were there for like 30 seconds tops. I deleted it as soon as I noticed, but it just blew up and I cannot believe that happened.”

      Aside from the incident, Bellamy said he enjoyed his time in Eugene.

      “It was a pretty good visit,” Bellamy said. “Facility wise, it was probably my best visit so far. They do a lot with their linebackers there with blitzing from all directions and sometimes they get free licks on the quarterback. It was better than I expected.”

      The in-state Bulldogs appear to have maintained the driver’s seat to land the four-star prospect on signing day.

      “Georgia is still my leader going into my decision,” Bellamy said. “I spoke to them on Friday before I left for my official. They told me to try not to fall in love with my last visit.”

      Bellamy says he plans to announce his decision at his high school at approximately 10:45 a.m on signing day, which is this Wednesday.

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    To me the point is more that these kids are stupid enough to be photographed like this.

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    I just don’t get that people can’t figure out – DON’T take cell phone or other pics.

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    Barton starting with Nelson and Starks. Interesting.

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    Any links? I can’t find any, looks like game is so inconsequential our Ukrainian friends can’t be bothered.

  • Jack says:
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    Tough day for online streaming.

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      Tell me about it! I’m down to using my old Sony Megabass with AM radio and watching the stats on Yahoo sports. I hate either Directv or the P-12 Network, no sure which.

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    For you old time Blazer fans, Lionel Hollins kid came up huge for the Gophs with the game winning three and a forced turnover on the subsequent Hogeye possession.

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    Check out that Stanford crowd! I play in front of more people at the club. But then again; sunny day in the beautiful Bay area, Super Bowl Sunday and, of course, its the last place Beavs. I get it…never mind. JB

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    close on an 11-3 run, down 2 at the half.

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    The Pac-12 Network not being on Directv is a joke

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    I love how you can almost hear the resignation in Parker’s voice when Stanford comes out and hits the bucket on their first possession of the 2nd half.

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    Eric Moreland hits back-to-back free throws, sure could have used that on Thursday.

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    They just took the lead, now execute and put someone away for once!

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    Roberto Nelson gets fouled shooting a three and misses all three throws because of course.

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    Nelson misses all three foul shots, then fouls on the other end. Earlier he missed a wide open three and Stanford came down and hit a three. It is these five or six point swings that have defined the Beavers season. Not picking on Roberto, it’s been different players at different times.

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    LMW should start playing more now that he can at least give OSU some shooting. Need somebody productive off the bench.

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    Stanford is 12 of 21 from three

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    Sounds like atrocious D, four straight threes by Stanford during crunch time, come on!

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Another Beavers loss where they’re ahead with under 5 minutes left

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    5 missed free throws for the Beavers, 4 point deficit

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    Yeah, CR, “nothing to be ashamed of” really, 1-8 and there’s nothing to be ashamed of? Man, does he get away without any criticism from the media.

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      I would think Roberto would be “ashamed” that he missed four free throws that his team needed. I would also think that the team would be “ashamed” that they played such poor defense down the stretch that their opponent made four three pointers in a row!

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    The Beavers can’t close games out and Stanford went 14 of 24 from three today

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    Not so great day to be a Beaver.

  • uncanny says:
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    Man, this teams does all the little things to lose games.

  • whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    1-8 and in dead last at the turn in conference play. Awesome job coach! At least we got a few moral victories in there. Man this team is a fucking joke. Robinson is a fucking job. OSU mens hoops program is a fucking joke. IF we all can see this what the hell is wrong with DeCareless????

    • Beaver Byte says:
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      De Care Less is the worst AD in a Power 6 conference. Sara Jean Underwood would probably have this team at atleast 3 Pac-12 wins at this point. Attendance would be higher and recruits would play better for her when she promises to bring more friends to an after party after they win. BDC is 30 years out of date. He needs to be pushed not asked out the door. If Robinson doesn’t beat Utah he needs to either publicly apologize to all Oregon State fans or resign.

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    Came across an alarming stat. This year marks the 20th anniversary of the last .500 conference record for OSU. That’s twenty, 20!!!!, straight seasons of having a losing record in conference play. The last time OSU had a winning conference record? Gary Payton’s senior season. Just a little perspective on that, GP retired from the NBA five years ago and will more than likely be entering the Hall of Fame this year. It’s been awhile.

    The Beavs have spent a lot of time rotting in futility, yet we’re still a Top-20 all-time winning program.

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    I haven’t watched Beaver basketball since the duck game but decided to tune in today. During my hiatus I watched alot of top 20 basketball and realized that even good college basketball teams make a bunch of stupid errors and even lay an egg or two (see Duke) but woe is the Beaver fan that has to watch this crap. As bad as they are offensively they are a putrid defensive team. I’ve never seen a team give their opponents more open 3’s than the Beavs (last in the conference in scoring defense and opp FG%). Starks has to work way too hard to get off his shot although he doesn’t help himself with his lazy off-ball effort. The Beavs’ offense just doesn’t work. I’ve never seen so few players cut to the hoop in my life. So it’s back to the top 20 games and no to Beaver basketball. I would be tempted to tune in again if CR took Jack’s advice and played the youngsters but history would bet against it. Less than 2 weeks to baseball.

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      Yeah, I have only watched 3 games. Saw everything I needed to know in those games so I started doing other things. Been super productive and have no regrets that I didn’t tune in. I read the comments and it seems like people are torturing themselves by watching these games.

      Beavs stink. It was obvious they’d stink this year when JC left–that guy was the heart and soul on D. ELITE defender. Should be better next year, but nowhere near a tourny team (unlikely even an NIT team).

      They need to recruit heady defenders and effort guys. CR is recruiting the wrong type of player…he’s getting tempted by athleticism. All these guys got by without effort in HS. Combine that with bad results and it’s a self-reinforcing, downward spiral.

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        It’s not like the D was any better last year with Jared. The difference this year is that with him and Angus we have nobody who can solely or in tandem take control of late game situations. I don’t know why anyone who does or doesn’t watch gets even remotely upset. There are things they can do better on either end, and personnel decisions are head-scratchers here and there. We have no consistency on personnel, and whichever assistant is responsible for the defensive scheme needs to do some soul-searching. They’re still competitive and playing with effort. But we all know that’s just not enough without leadership on the floor.

        Right now I’m looking at Starks as the guy who needs to sit at the beginning of the game and in crunch time unless FT’s are needed to pull away. Speaking of FT’s… Berto? Definitely not clutch shooting there.

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          “The difference this year is that with him and Angus we have nobody who can solely or in tandem take control of late game situations.”

          Jared and Angus maybe came up big in crunch time 2 times last year. MAYBE. We lost just as many close games last year as this year. The problem has always been Coach Rob’s laughable x’s and o’s coaching in late game situations.

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            Go back and look again. They won more than they lost.

            Not coincidentally, many of the games lost all had Starks as the heavy crunch time lean.

            But they also should not have been in most of those situations, win or lose. You’re going to have a bullshit ref game here or there, like the CW at home last year or Wazzu last Saturday. But poor defense is what allows other teams to be close or slightly ahead in crunch time. Frankly, our O was pretty damn good until we started trading two for three and Berto missed four of five FT’s. It’s the trading part that killed us, and that was due to defense.

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              I was looking forward to LJ Westbrook coming in soon to replace Starks. It’s too bad he’s taking the detour route to OSU.

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                I thought Barton ran the show pretty well to start yesterday. Starks was still a liability though. It was amazing to see one of our guards step into the fray to gather defensive rebounds and move to transition quickly. Barton and Burton worked well with passing sequences early. It’s not like hockey where the set-up guy also gets an assist, but I tend to look at it that way in hoops also. A nice entry or swing pass gets the guy open. It’s almost unfair sometimes that the last pass gets the assist.

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                  Starks should be a third guard off the bench like Vinnie Johnson back in the day. Can shoot his team in or out of a game. BDC should get corporate sponsorship from makers of antidepressants for Beaver B-ball.

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            I’ve seen only a couple of games and of course the camera isn’t always on CR. When it is, in the close games – which are most of them, he’s like a deer in the headlights. I appreciate Jack’s take on all this – but I would very much like to be the mouse in the corner when other coaches critique CR. George Dohrmann seems to think CR is almost laughable. It’s sad. We’ll never know if any of these players could’ve better performed with a different coach. And – I’ve said it b4 but once more . . . I cannot understand his time-outs i.e., when he calls a time-out after a score instead of letting the game flow.

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              I love reading Dohrmann’s tweets during the games that he watches. He goes after CR and Starks mercilessly.

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    Like I;ve said all along, this team is talented enough to be 500 in league but continously gets out coached every game. CR has no clue what he;s doing. Offense sucks and defense is non existent.

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    I like incoming commit Brandon Arnold’s attiitude:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/02/signing_day_countdown_oregon_s_7.html

    Doesn’t his number of tackles, solo and assisted, seem low for a safety’s season? I assume Schnell means “solo and assisted,” not “solo and unassisted.”

    Also, like the brown jersey. OSU could use some play on that, though not too much or they could end up looking like the Cleveland Browns…

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    @BrandonHuffman
    Harbor City (Calif.) Narbonne LB Keishawn Bierria Talks Final Visit to Washington http://recruiting.scout.com/2/1263581.html

    @traglia73
    @BrandonHuffman washington lean now?

    ?@BrandonHuffman
    @traglia73 yeah very much

    Looks like he will sign with the dawgs, not much of a surprise as he was looking for a another offer.
    I think that does it for this class unless we sign some greyshirts. Moore and Bierria were worth waiting , but I think they are signing elsewhere.

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      We were the girl with the nice personality. Oh well. Really needed some LB’s who could play soon.
      Swing and a miss by the staff at this position in this class. Some guys to develop, but no impact players for next season. Bray better coach um up!

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      Did UW even offer him? i havent seen confirmation of this anywhere

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    Based on comments I’ve seen from people who read the Rivals article about Bierria’s trip to UW, Bierria was offered by UW, he loved his time there, but didn’t commit and wants to discuss it with his family before he makes a decision. Sounds like depth at UW would keep him off the field for a couple years possibly, which may be a concern. I wouldn’t say it’s over yet.

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      posted an article on his UW visit.

      http://angrybeavs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=386

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        Based on his quotes, he gave OSU better reviews.

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        There’s that steak dinner I was talking about. Sark’s schtick is so predictable, it’s funny.

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          They took a visitor last weekend to Minnesota to the Hooters at Mall of America LOL.

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            They do know that there are decent (not to mention good and great) restaurant’s in the twin cities, do they not?

            At least Sark is giving them good food. He’s taking them to someplace like a Mancini’s or Manny’s, and UM is feeding their kids greasy mechanically separated meat product on baked paste.

            When anyone talks about recruiting costs, food shouldn’t be bottom of the barrel like that. I wonder if the trade-off for being cheap on food for visits is that the coaches get to fly business instead of coach.

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              I think it was with his student host not the official dinner. Usually it is Manny’s.

              • Jack says:
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                Good. That makes more sense.

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                  Not to most 18 y/o boys. A few years back we lost a high 4 star OL prospect from a small town west of the cities when the student hosts took him to a strip club. This kid had been a lock for a couple years and ended up at Nebraska. Know your audience!

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                    More sense in terms of official stuff.

                    Hooters still sucks for food, and there are quite a few much better mom and pops nearer to campus for the host hang-outs.

  • beaverkman says:
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    Here is a list of Scout’s top 150 in the West, we have (5) a few safeties.
    http://recruiting.scout.com/3/2013_fb_west_150.html

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      #61 Dane Crane……………..parents can be so cruel.

      I fear Mora will become Pete C 2.0. Hope he gets caught cheating sooner. Killer class fUCLA
      has put together.

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      Nice work in the forums bkm

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        Hey – question about the forums…is there a separate login? I can’t post after logging in on the main page, and my credentials don’t seem to work over there.

        • angry says:
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          Yes, it’s a separate login. The forums run PHPbb, this is wordpress. WordPress forums (bbpress) stinks, but they can be integrated. PHPbb is better, but there’s no way to integrate logins, which sucks.

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    possible new commit today?

    Mike Cavanaugh ?@CoachCavOSU

    It’s a great day to be a Beaver. Two more days! Can’t wait. The Beavs are on the rise. #GoBeavs

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    Here’s an article that attempts to get at the value of recruiting rankings, and concludes they may be more valuable for predicting team success than pre-season AP polls. Surprised?

    Remember, rankings are for entertainment purposes only, and not a genuine approach to strategic investment.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130204/recruiting-rankings-predictive-accuracy/?sct=uk_t11_a1

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      Interesting yes. This is a good example of the Rooster and Sunrise principle. There was a very low level of correlation between early preseason polls and polls at end of season in 2012. Most other predictions were probably better in 2012. So a comparison of final rankings with rankings based on recruiting star ratings in a season where the rated players received minimal playing time (2012), is coincidental. Cherry picking one year for a phenonema that has 4-5 year cycles is weak science as well. The rooster’s crowing does exactly cause the sunrise.

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        Fibbus likes your logic.

        I think this one is called abductive reasoning. That might be an easy call since all the predicates are all based on subjective analyses.

        But you’re completely correct. There isn’t even a coincidental correlation large enough to call any of it science. I wonder if the author/s have ever heard of Bartoo and seen the number crunching he does.

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          Bartoo rocks. I think he doesn’t get the recognition because his site isn’t quite as polished as the high budget guys. But it’s all about the numbers, and his numbers correlate to a very high accurate win prediction.
          http://cfbmatrix.com/2013-recruitnik-cheat-sheet/

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            And I dont kiss a$$ with stats from just sister corps like Rivals/SI. LOL

            Funny how a Stanford PH. D. is using one year and 63% correct to sell a point. Especially when Vegas favs won 76% this year and CFBMatrix faves from March picks won 77%. It is a poor effort to imitate a tiny portion of The College Football Matrix. I gotta log in and comment today and give that guy some crap about his article.

            While talent starts with recruiting, attrition and coaching ability are huge factors going forward. OSU has, in the Matrix, proven to have a great staff at coaching and player development. The attrition factor for OSU though is huge as it is always better than national averages.

            If I can input more in the future on angrybeavs dont hesitate to tweet @cfbmatrix email dave@cfbmatrix.com or just text

            -Bartoo

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    Meechicken has a recruit whose name is Taco Charlton LOL.

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    Baseball season has started down south. Yesterday Caltech beat Pacifica 9-7, why is this significant you might ask, well it’s been almost 10 years since their last win. Yes, that’s correct, they had a 228 game losing streak! Don’t you feel better now Beaver fans!

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      You mean the Caltech Beavers? Keep in mind, that losing streak ignores the victory over “alumni” last March!

      • steveEbeaver says:
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        Ha ha, I forgot they were the Beavers. But it gets worse, they haven’t won a conference game since 1988 and have a 463 game losing streak in the conference. Their men’s basketball team broke their 310 game losing streak in 2011. OSU has a long way to go to be the most unsuccessful collegiate team nicknamed the Beavers!

  • LaFumble James says:
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    Did y’all watch me in the big game yesterday? I was on the big stage while y’all were sitting on your couches watching me. Doesn’t get any bigger than that.

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      Two completely unlikable teams……two bat shit crazies in Jim Harbaugh and Ray Lewis.. Would have been better to have a deathmatch between the two with Goodell as the referee.

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        Don’t forget Randy Moss. I wish they both could have lost.

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          That’s right ….looked like Randy was stoned on the field. It was the delusional assholes bowl yesterday!

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            but but but, he’s the “greatest receiver of all time!” (his words not mine)

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              It was a classic misquote….Moss actually said, “I’ve had some of the greatest reefer of all time”. Make sense.

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      nice fumble LaToya

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    This is awesome. Dontre Wilson flips from Oregon to Ohio State on live tv. Makes viewers sit through nearly an hour of a news broadcast before announcing because he wanted to make it agony for Oregon fans. Still mad that Chip Kelly left the Ducks after he felt like he was going to stay.

    Jordan Whitley ?@JordanWhitley

    Wilson said Kelly leaving to NFL was “wrong.” So was making a conglomerate of Oregonians suffer through 52 minutes of Dallas local news

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      and now Ragin is announcing he’s solid with CAL and doesn’t want Oregon. Wonder if they’re gonna go hard after Bierria now after they dropped off him to concentrate on Ragin.

      Johnny Ragin III ?@Glory_IIIERA

      Oregon was the dream growin’ up, and I had a nice visit. But My Future’s at Cal, and I can’t wait to get there and go to work! #GoBears

    • ObjCritic says:
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      The Oregonian’s brief story on Wilson:

      http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2013/02/running_back_dontre_wilson_cho.html

      Interesting they are going after a 2* back from Texas. I know stars don’t tell the full story, and running in the space created by that offense makes things easier for a back, but it’s still a little surprising to me. His offer sheet has a number of unimpressive schools on it.

      http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Kani-Benoit-131429

      I think it will also be interesting to see how Tyner’s UO career pans out with his injury issues, and what could be at least a slight decline in program performance with any NCAA penalties and Kelly’s departure.

    • mckalk says:
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      Flips and puts down precious Nikegon in the process, very nice, but…………….Luck O’ The Beavs….Beavers will finally make a Rose Bowl, play Ohio St and Dontre will shred the Beavs for 200 yards. You heard it first here.

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    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Chidobe-Awuzie-140405

    According to rivals we started going after this guy recently and hes down to Colorado and OSU. 3* cb which has got to make you think theyre giving up on the idea Moore will pick us.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Attitudes like Kempt’s are needed at OSU:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/02/signing_day_countdown_oregon_s_9.html

    Kempt prides himself on leadership, and he plans to come in and be competitive and feisty from Day 1 in Corvallis. He understands that OSU has a habit of flying under the radar but as a former Oregon resident — Kempt played his freshman year at Aloha High School in Beaverton — he knows the Beavers are consistently capable of big things.

    “OSU kind of has that reputation of starting slow and finishing fast, but you look at this year and they had a hell of a season,” he said. “They’re a very solid program and when they have their extremely good years and they get rolling, they’re a force to be reckoned with.

    “I’m excited to be a part of that.”

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    http://helenair.com/sports/college/msu-football-hires-offensive-coordinator/article_e135f83c-6f60-11e2-9cd4-001a4bcf887a.html

    Would this guy have overlapped Chip Kelly at NH at some point?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Dashon Hunt checks in at #90 in Sporting News Top 125 recruits, 6 spots ahead of LJ Moore:

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2013-01-31/national-signing-day-2013-sporting-news-76-125-analysis-player-rankings

    UO picks up a couple of WRs in the top 125, as well as RB Tyner (obviously).

  • whatever says:
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    Ohio State rebranding effort.

    I hope ours is better.

    http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2013/2/4/3952290/ohio-state-updates-athletic-logo-ruins-everything

  • Jack says:
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    Just cruising tweets of many of the commits. It looks like all that are committed are solid. Harlow and Kempt are chatting it up like they’ve been together for years. I think I’m going to like both those kids.

    But I like this one best.
    https://twitter.com/kyle_peko65/status/298962414660104193

    • beaverkman says:
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      Sark is such a slimeball! Hope Bierria sees through that! He is the next midnight mike, gosh do we owe them an ass kicking next season.

  • Beavblazer says:
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    from Kyle Peko

    Kyle peko ?@kyle_peko65

    Just got off the phone with University of Washington coaches lmao trying to convince me to change my mind said I had 10hrs to rethink it ????

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      Doesn’t sound like UW is a threat for him! Any word on his grades status? Is he a lock to show up in the summer or do we still have to worry about his eligibility?

  • whatever says:
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    Charles Okonkwo is a Beav.

    • whatever says:
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      Which likely confirms what I’ve suspected for a while, LJ Moore will not be ours.

    • Jack says:
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      Wow. He must not have been admitted at Stanford. Maybe that’s why he committed to SDSU last week. I thought we had given up on him because he was a SU lock. I didn’t think we even offered him because of it.

    • Jack says:
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      I forgot

      • beaverkman says:
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        THANKS! This was a little bit out of left field?

        • Jack says:
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          He was viewed as a tweener because not many coaches saw him live. And he’s a nerd, so summer was filled with school/community service related projects. Everyone in the Mountain West wanted him, but he was holding out for:
          1. Stanford
          2. OSU

          He was thinking about going to Boise, but then he started to get responses from the two Pac schools he wanted. So he waited too long, and Boise filled that slot. SU wanted him but noted some deficiencies for admittance (AP courses I think). So he had to get those in and still apply. SU usually responds to these players in late January. And I think we backed off him without offering because of his priority list. So last week, he must not have been admitted to SU and jumped on SDSU in order to have a ship.

          I guess he got back in contact with Perry or whomever again and asked if he could be considered once again. Or maybe he had an offer standing all this time. Who knows?

          He’s pretty much a carbon copy of LJ Moore as far as I can tell. I’ve been told his highlight film is just about all the passes that were thrown his way this last year.

          • Jack says:
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            I think he did camp at Boise. But camps can get expensive.

          • beaverkman says:
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            Yeah in the article I posted in the forum, http://angrybeavs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=404
            he says that he got the offer tonight and took it, sight unseen. Said he will do a visit sometime after Signing Day.

            Guy looks to be very good, ESPN has him ranked as our 7th highest commit, and rates him a 78 in contrast his teammate and fellow commit Justin Strong is a 71.

            • Jack says:
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              The story I relayed was told to me by someone who is a friend of a friend. That means I trust about half of it to be true.

              But I do like the kid’s game, and I like even more that he’s a student first and a student of the game second.

  • beaverkman says:
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    @coachingsearch
    Dennis Erickson has confirmed to the Salt Lake Tribune that he interviewed today with Kyle Whittingham. http://bit.ly/sbcB2K

    • ObjCritic says:
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      that’s funny. Last week I was wondering if Erickson could be talked into becoming the offensive coordinator for Oregon State. Doesn’t have family member playing hs football nearby?

      • Jack says:
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        He was helping out his son at Albany (West?) last season. Then his son was hired on at Idaho a couple weeks ago.

        • Suburban_Cog says:
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          Erickson’s Son was the head coach for South Albany last year. Randy Nyquist is the head coach at West.

    • mckalk says:
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      Whittingham has been under some pressure to get the offense going after a 5-7 season. Looking at the schedule, it could be worse this year. Not sure where Erickson helps unless it is to develop quarterbacks.

  • whatever says:
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    There are rumors that Nico Falah has decommitted from USC. If that’s true, they have 10 verbals left, down from around 18-19 at one point a couple months ago.

    And you think Mike Riley can’t close?

    • beaverkman says:
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      @adamgorney
      #USC commit Nico Falah has denied any rumors he has decommitted from the Trojans.

      but where there is smoke there is fire? That class has been crumbling, still they have almost twice as many 5stars and the next best team.

      oregon has dropped all the way down to #34, just two in front of the Beavs. If they lose those twins tonight it would be a gut wrencher.

    • uncanny says:
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      As frustrating as Riley can be, he’s no Lane Kiffin. That guy is a complete joke. USC would do themselves a big favor by getting rid of him sooner rather than later.

  • Beavblazer says:
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    Angie Machado ?@AngieMachado1

    OSU RB commit Damien Haskins is killing it in the International Bowl tonight. @networkathletics

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Wonder how OSUs American Samoa OL recruit is faring there. Should be a different level of competition for him.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Not surprising. I’m really high on Haskins, I think he’s going to be really good

    • Jack says:
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      That game just started a replay on CBS SN (613 DTV).

  • Beav11 says:
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    It seems to me that Cliff K. is often wrong/misinformed, but he has Tua’ua committed and Solomon listed as a Linebacker (which I like). FWIW.

  • Beav11 says:
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    It seems to me that Cliff K. is often wrong/misinformed, but he has Tua’ua committed and Solomon listed as a Linebacker (which I like). FWIW.

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-expected-signing-class-should-hit-needs-and-build/article_d28533aa-6fb2-11e2-936d-001a4bcf887a.html

  • whatever says:
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    Damien Haskins:
    8 carries for 84 yards and a score

    For reference, Terrell Newby (#17 RB in the country according to scout.com and a Nebraska commit)
    12 carries for 88 yards.

    Darrell Songy: 2 unassisted tackles (tied for 2nd most on the team)

    Fred Lauina didn’t register a stat.

  • beaver strikeforce says:
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    This is a pretty neat article about 3 future teammates.

    http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/international-bowl-draws-future-teammates-from-afa/nWFDs/

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