12.May.2013 Is your State’s Highest Paid Employee a Coach?

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I thought this was funny, sad, and interesting. From Deadspin:

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  • Alex says:
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    From an annual compensation perspective, I am OK with this. After all, those highly paid coaches are generating enormous revenues by their continued success, and are generally supporting those extravagant wages.

     

    Where it gets really screwed up is when you start talking about pension and retirement plans, which are generally based on the highest salary earned over a career. This rules were made for teachers and policemen, not football coaches. Mik

    • angry angry says:
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      A lot of policemen would work overtime their final years.

      Clearly a pension should be the average wage, not highest year.

  • Alex says:
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    e Belotti is the prime example here, collecting 500K a year from the day he left Oregon.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    The cynic in me says I should start profiting from the growing mass of ignorarnt Romans before Rome falls. Again.  The analogy of athletes as "gladiators" isn't so far-fetched when you look at public policy; e.g. pro stadium deals or college coach salaries, construction; "Jerry World", and 20 year old stadiums being replaced at half a billion +.

    There's the apparent insatiable viewer – NFL, NCAA, now NCAA spring games televised, conference and school networks, and televising of high school football games – meanwhile the cost of education skyrockets and the any substantial economy seems distant.

    As somebody said in reply to one of my other rants, I'm "getting old and grumpy."

    What a disturbing map and commentary.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    …and some of the lowest paid public "employees" are the athletes we pay to watch.  Since the wealth doesn't need to get spread very thinly, the people at the top get hugely disproportionate shares. 

    I guess this is what happens when an organization is allowed to operate in a bubble with no direct competition.  The public universities have a monopoly on ameture athletics, and the kids need the universities if they wish to move on to the next level. Captive employees and captive audience.  Great business plan.

     

    • angry angry says:
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      The Ivy League has a better model (no athletic scholarships). If they had better passing attacks I'd only watch Ivy League. Service academies, too. This is a more pure form of NCAA football where guys play because they love the game. Yes, that's romanticizing, but in this era of corruption craving purity isn't necessarly a bad thing.

      On the TV and radio you’ll hear that more corruption (i.e. paying players) is the answer. So that is likely the path we’ll see.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        In the interest of better competition, I'd like to see some type of revenue cap, leading to revenue sharing.  Or a donor cap.  Could you imagine if athletic donations had to stop once they hit a certain threshold?  Too much money is pouring into college football and become a giant arms race.  The teams with deeper pockets and looser morals will always gain the upper hand.  It's essentially turned into a pro sports system, but with less restrictions on how the revenue is handled because the players don't even have a player's union. 

        • angry angry says:
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          Location location…

          Certain schools will always have an advantage. The only way I see parity is fewer scholarships for higher finishes. e.g. if you finish 1st, you get 10 less scholies. I realize that's penalzing greatness, which sucks, but this sport is unique in that location matters more than anything else. The only other idea would be for schools like OSU to open distance campuses in warm weather cities. Like an OSU in Gainsesville, Florida…fly the players to Corvallis for games, have them train down there during the week.

          Any type of player pay will destroy the sport and faster than the current pace, as it adds more complexity and corruption to a system loaded with both.

          A revenue cap would help curb facilities. I hate discouraging success like that, but what are the options…location advantages ruin this sport.

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            I’m all for the scholarship penalty. It already happens in pro sports with the draft process. Winning teams get lower draft picks. Sure, teams will always have a geographic advantage, but it can be limited for the greater good.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Location advantages?  Haven't you always said that it's an excuse if someone says you can't recruit kids to come to Corvallis?

          • angry angry says:
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            It is an excuse. By advantage I mean just that–those coaches have to put in little effort to get high 3 and 4 star guys, where as OSU has to put in more effort to land the same recruit. Less effort for a great recruit is an advantage. OSU apologists have been proven wrong on this, too. As OSU has stepped up EFFORT, the results have improved dramatically. Disadvantage =/ impossible.

          • krogercomplete says:
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            From the armchair, not sure how you tie all uptick in recent recruiting to EFFORT.  What are you relying on there?  Regardless, OSU is still pulling in comparatively bad recruiting classes, even with all this new effort.  Is that the coaching staff's fault for being bad salesmen, or is it the natural disadvantage posed by Corvallis? 

            I think the apologist stance has always been that Corvallis represents a recruiting disadvantage, and apparently no disagreement there.  

          • helmsley says:
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            Could you define or describe what is the "natural disadvantage?"

          • krogercomplete says:
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            In general terms, a small, rainy town in the middle of nowhere filled with mostly white people, lack luster facilities and perhaps less committment to football by the school than others around the country.

            I like Corvallis quite alot and like the school, but it seems fairly obvious what the disadvantages are.  Not insurmountable, but disadvantages nonetheless.      

          • angry angry says:
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            Some of those are self-impossed. For example, commitment. Even size…there are clear ways to grown the size of a town. I think weather could be played up (just start a campaign about how only the toughest guys play in bad weather…glorify it, embrace it, rather than use it as a crutch). My feeling is some highups at OSU like being the big fish in a small pond and thus are torn between status quo and changing things around. I also think a town that small is bound to lack creativity or "outside the box" thinking. In nature you see species that kick their young out of the nest, and not only that but make them travel miles away. It's to mix genes, get diversity, etc. Corvaills lacks that, some by it's origins and some by the status quo's choices.

          • krogercomplete says:
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            Just depends on who we are criticising.  I am trying to focus on Riley, not the athletic department or the school at large.  What does Riley have to work with when he hits the recruiting trail?  I highly doubt the coaching staff is using anything as a crutch, and when they talk to recruits, I assume they do everything they can to play up the positives and minimize the negatives, or put a positive spin on the negatives.  I don't think they go in there and say, hey I know this place sucks and we don't expect to get anyone good, but please come play for us.

            I think the weather is more powerful than people think, though the preoccupation with it by some (or many) annoys me.  Having grown up here, I really don't much care, but alot of people from other parts of the country have a remarkably difficult time adjusting.  Not sure it is the rain so much as the constant grey and general lack of sun.

          • angry angry says:
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            Not sure it is the rain so much as the constant grey and general lack of sun.

            Yeah, the SADD disorder. Play it up—"real men play SADD!" Football players love feeling manly and tough, I think it can be played up. Also, the sports psychologist we all crave could help with this. He'd perform double duty and be a value hire.

          • bone says:
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            One of the reasons we got Brandin Cooks is because the coaches sold the small town where he could focus football, rather than in LA.  Some people  are going to buy into that.

            I would be pretty shocked if when a coach is recruiting a player they use "crutches" when talking them.

          • angry angry says:
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            EFFORT.  What are you relying on there? 

            Hiring Gundy to scout the net/film, firing newhouse (zero effort) b/c he couldn't recruit and hiring a good recruiter (Brennen) in his place, hiring a second excellent recruiter (Brasfield), Riley has travelled more and done more in-home visits, embracing technology (texting recruits, email, Riley with a Twitter account, etc). Etc. Beavs were waaay behind the times and behind with effort.

          • Jack says:
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            Effort?

          • krogercomplete says:
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            I get what you're saying, though I interpreted "effort" differently in your initial post.  What you are describing is certainly the Beavs getting better at recruiting.  In any event, I think my second question is the more important question, and it all boils down to how much better you think other coaching staffs could do or should do, assuming they come into an identical set of circumstances as the current staff.  If we agree Corvallis poses a disadvantage to anyone, what is a reasonable set of recruiting expectations and is Riley currently underperforming?  If the Angryanna response to any claim that Riley does more with less is that Riley is the reason for having less to begin with, we need to unpack that some and get a handle on what it means to recruit to OSU.

            I think what you have said before, Angry, is that any coach worth his salt should be able to create success out of the kinds of classes that Riley is currently bringing in.  Maybe I a mistaken.  

             

            We've been over this all before, so may not be any need to get into it again.      

          • angry angry says:
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            The genius of this is that if OSU were to fix all their perceived or self-imposed disadvantages, their physical location suddenly becomes more attractive.

            This is like an ugly guy changing his mindset and becoming confident. Suddenly women flock to him. And not just women, but women of higher status, confidence, etc.

            I mean, we are seeing this with OSU football. Things have improved, and a lot of that has had to do with fixing their broken "woe is me" mindset. 

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            Regarding your questions:

            important question, and it all boils down to how much better you think other coaching staffs could do or should do,

            In Corvallis? If it were a high profile staff they'd probably recruit higher profile players and with less effort.

             

            is Riley currently underperforming?  

            Yes. He's improved a ton, and I think he can get to some bigger games with the last few classed, but his personality will always result in underperforming. For example, not using negative recruiting tactics. If a kid is 50/50, pointing out a flaw with another school is probably a good tactic.

             

            If the Angryanna response to any claim that Riley does more with less is that Riley is the reason for having less to begin with, we need to unpack that some and get a handle on what it means to recruit to OSU

            He does more with less and he's the reason OSU has less to begin with. They're not mutually exclusive. It's a big reason we focus on improving recruiting here and are actually excited about the progress with the past few classes.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Beavblazer, CEO's are grossly overpaid in the private sector with direct competition.  Maybe it's not a competition issue.

      • angry angry says:
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        It's two mouths sucking the same teet, just with different technique.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        apples and oranges.  they're not dipping into the PERS system, and they're paying their employees who are employed on an "at will" basis (although they still get funded by taxpayer dollars in other various ways, or they might have underpaid labor in a foreign country, which isn't all that different)

        It's not like the college football players have an alternative, similar to minor league baseball, out of high school.  If they want to become professional football players, they need to put in their time in the collegiate ranks prior to moving on.  The NCAA has the monopoly on minor league football and they reap huge financial benefits because of it.

         

         

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Baseball America poll is out, with OSU holding steady at #6.  Former #1 UNC dropped a series to GA Tech over the weekend and fell to #3.  Vandy took over the top spot. 

    Why is NC State still ranked ahead of us?  They got their asses handed to them by Florida State yesterday and play them again today to finish that series.  They're 39-12 overall while OSU is 41-8.  Also, Cal State Fullerton lost a game to UC Riverside yesterday, and has an identical record to OSU, but remains 2 spots ahead of us. 

    This weekend's Civil War series will likely end up as the Pac 12 champs.  Looking forward to it.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    New Hampshire's is a hockey coach, made me laugh. 

    To broaden the discussion, why is the NFL given tax exempt status? Seems like a good target for revenue enhancement. 

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Blake Harrah says adios:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/05/oregon_state_defensive_tackle_1.html

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      How many more to get to the proper #?

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    These guys claim they have a preview of the UO NCAA penalties, which they say are complete and soon to be released.

    http://www.duckstopshere.com/2013-articles/may/will-lyles-decision-imminent-oregon-will-avoid-the-hammer-free-to-go-back-to-the-business-of-winning.html

    As with any of this stuff, I’ll wait till I hear it from the NCAA, but this sure sounds like a minor slap on the wrist. Hard to believe this is all they could come up with in 2+ years.

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