01.Jun.2015 Baseball Vent Thread

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Someone suggested this, and it’s a good idea. My vent from the old thread, to get things rolling:

I miss the chemistry and bulldog mentality [of the championship teams]. They had leaders + players.

For almost a decade now they’ve had good recruits who never seem to be great leaders or gel. I think the Beavs have become a minor league breeding ground. Groom players for the majors/minor leagues, players set individual goals, etc. I don’t see a lot of team mindset or clear goals anymore.

I wish we had more guys like Canham and Dallas Buck, who had little shot at the majors, yet were great leaders and bulldogs who wanted to win NCAA titles first and foremost. Maybe I’m wrong. It’s from memory. But it just seems that way. They began recruiting higher profile players and the goals and chemistry changed. KRod was a great example of it. He clearly just wanted to get to the pros and was not into NCAA baseball except as a means to make the pros/money. Dude pitched with zero heart.

Andrew Moore is the closest thing to the old style. It’s probably why we all like him. There have been a few here and there (e.g. Tyler Smith) who fit the old style, but it would be nice to get a team of those types who can also play well, instead of just signing highly ranked guys. The windfall in recruiting after the titles hurt chemistry. It’s a double edged sword because the talent is nice…what I am saying is I wish Casey would screen the talent a bit better, and maybe sign a guy rated slightly worse if if that player has that better mindset.

And on Casey retiring:

If Casey retires baseball won’t be any good. If he moves to AD and hires SB, there’s a chance it remains competitive, but SB would have to learn how to recruit and handle the draft. One miscalculation there and you could ruin a program. Casey has done excellent at managing that complex issue. I think he’s better at that than in-game management, tbh. And I think it’s the most important aspect of coaching college.

I think that’s lost on people…managing a baseball game is pretty easy. Managing the roster with a year draft is extremely difficult. The higher the recruit the Beavs sign, the more likely they lose the player early. This is another reason chemistry has not been that good — they simply don’t spend 4 years with one another in many cases.

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  • Jack says:
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    It just occurred to me this is Bobby D’s final month. It’s been a mixed bag, but I wish him well.

    And Bobby, if it sometimes seems like a strain, like not being an AD leaves you lost or stressed, then just think good thoughts. Here’s one to get you started.

    You don’t live in Nebraska.

    • angry angry says:
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      Why does everyone hate Nebraska? It’s pretty.

      • scotty says:
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        It’s also Nebraska

      • Jack says:
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        It’s a running gag.

        At least… that’s what I thought. Sure, it’s pretty along 80. I don’t know if I’d really stop in the state for anything but gas. The Arbor Day place is kinda cool, I guess.

        • Jack says:
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          Oh… and Nebraskans think they invented steak and bieroks… but at least they’re humble.

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            and for some reason, Nebraskan’s drink Mountain Dew like it’s the nectar of life. I have several relatives there, and the one time I visited, nearly every one of them was drinking that shit with most of their meals.

          • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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            Worked with a re-hab factory in Kentucky once, everyone drank MtnDew. The manager said it was because that is the only pop ex-meth heads can taste.

            No reflection on Bb’s relatives!

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            This was years ago, before meth had really taken over communities. I haven’t been back that way in quite awhile. I’m wouldn’t doubt that some of my relatives have gone that route.

          • angry angry says:
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            Why does Oregon have so much meth?

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            I blame the pawn shops. Sounds ridiculous, but those places are meth addict heaven when it comes to needing a few quick bucks to get your tweak on.

          • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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            Does Oregon have “so much meth”?

            Anecdotal evidence from LEO’s in two counties with which I am somewhat familiar is that encounters with meth users have gone WAY down in the last several years. Here is a 2010 study of positive drug tests among U.S. workers which shows California among the top 5 states at 140% of the national average. http://www.safetynewsalert.com/top-9-states-for-methamphetamine-use/

            Of course, numbers of labs isn’t the same as users. However, reports from OSP show a downward trend since PSE has come under more and more strict controls. eg. lab “incidents” in 2003 and 04 averaged over 450/year; in 2012 and 13 that figure was 8, a reduction of over 98%.

            Anyway, it’s bad stuff. And, yeah, pawn shops (and CraigsList) figure in……some reports show 78% of property crimes are to support addictions of various kinds.

          • angry angry says:
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            If the pawn shops didn’t exist, wouldn’t they just sell stuff on craigslist or to someone on the street? I don’t see how pawn shops are to blame for meth. There are also pawn shops in most States/towns and not all of them have meth problems.

          • Jack says:
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            Oregon?

            You’re about a decade late with that question.
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/07/meth-states_n_4057372.html

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            My brother spent the better part of his 20’s hooked on that shit. He became a thief and ripped off pretty much anything that wasnt tied down any chance he got, and headed straight for the pawn shops. No, they arent to blame, but they are enablers and they know it. And if you want to retrieve any stolen property from them you can either pay their jacked up prices, or file a police report, and jail time does not fix the problem. Pawn shops are so much more quick when an addict needs that cash, vs using craigslist or stealing identities.

          • mckalk says:
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            From what I learned watching a documentary in Utah about the increase in Meth usage there, I guess Meth addiction causes intense sugar cravings and Mountain Dew is the obvious drink of choice to satisfy. Several years back, the Utah Prison systems dental budget was blown up because of all of the dentures they were having to make for the Meth patients whose teeth were bombed out from their sugared drink usage before they were busted.

        • angry angry says:
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          I did my boat training in the Lewis and Clark/Missouri River basin region. It was so peaceful and beautiful. Omaha is really nice. I don’t get the jokes.

      • wannabeav says:
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        agree; the sections along the Missouri River and west of North Platte out toward all those Oregon Trail monuments (Chimney Rock, etc.) the landscape is very compelling. Lincoln stinks.

        • angry angry says:
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          The Platte is awesome. I think it’s highly polluted now due to fracking, though…

          Lincoln is pretty shitty, but Omaha is great.

          • mckalk says:
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            Some of my ancestors are from the Alliance area. I find the Sand Hills beautiful and unique. Also, the Wildcat Hills around Scottsbluff/Gering area provide landscape very unexpected for the Midwest. Chimney Rock is worth a vist. I need a llttle elevation here and there. I actually liked downtown LIncoln, the suburbs were kind of ugly and random.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Lincoln is not bad.

  • Ackrite says:
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    I think it is a young team that will grow over the next 2 years. I think the 1st CWS team in a lot of ways was the most talented of any of the CWS teams, Ellsbury + a young core of talent that went on to win championships after they gained experience/toughness. I went and found your preseason write up and I think you were spot on for the most part but missed on “experience is overrated”

    “In terms of whether this will be a good year for the Beavers, I think so. They have a lot of talent and a great coach, so what is not to like? Experience is overrated. We see 10 year old prodigies playing Beethoven behind their backs, and of course there are the Doogie Howser MDs who are graduating college with Doctorates at 12. Point being, if a guy can play he will be fine no matter his experience or age. I’m not worried about that at all. I’m worried about them gelling quickly/finding good chemistry, finding defined roles, and getting over the inevitable jitters sooner rather than later. Once all that happens, I expect to see good baseball. Hopefully it happens quickly. I don’t see a championship, but I can see a good season where they finish 3rd in the Pac.”

  • scotty says:
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    USCB’s host privilege should have been ours, Dallas Baptist’s schedule was a cupcake-filled joke, Scotland Church kicks Tagg Deuce’s butt in the name department, quacks shouldn’t have gotten into the postseason, the bullpen was crappy this year, I hate Mississippi State and UC Irvine, the Phillies can go screw themselves for the Wetzler/Holmes BS they pulled, Altman still looks creepy, Ken needs to Goe, and Texas can kiss my ass!

    I feel better now : )

    • angry angry says:
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      Dallas Baptist’s schedule was a cupcake-filled joke

      Including the Beavs.

      • scotty says:
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        Nah, played like the Oregon series Bad Beavers at regionals but we had a good record with good wins.

    • cj cj says:
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      How do you really feel?

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    As far as team leaders go you missed Matt Boyd and Ben Wetzler. It’s always good to have a dominant thrower but it’s best to have your leader be an everyday player.

    Did you see Casey’s reaction in the dugout when Howard was picked off, livid is too weak a word to describe it.

    I noticed that the two leftys we faced just dominated, was that an anomaly or was that a theme of the season. It didn’t strike me until after the second game.

    Not a great day to be a Beaver but it sure is better than being associated with Nike U.

    USC loses to Virginia in extras 14-10 after leading 9-6 at the end of 6 before 1,065 fans. And there were only 2,200 for the DBU OSU game yesterday.

    • angry angry says:
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      Matt Boyd for sure. I didn’t take time to think of each guy, so I bet I missed a bunch. I disagree on Ben Wetzler, and his shenanigans with the Phillies doesn’t help that perception.

    • tim318 says:
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      I’m pretty sure 2,200 is capacity for Pioneer Stadium (of Field or whatever).

  • Angry@angry says:
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    Dallas Buck had little shot at the majors? You don’t know baseball that well

    • angry angry says:
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      Derp.

      • Angry@angry says:
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        Again, angry won’t say why he thinks what he thinks. Like, how was Buck someone with little shot at Majors… Keep talkin angry

        • angry angry says:
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          Why do I think he had little shot at the majors? Because he was a low round draft pick out of high school, didn’t throw 95mph, and just in general didn’t have a lot of buzz around him. Obviously by his final year things changed due to his performance, but he was still a tweener and probably a career minor leaguer even without injury.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            Projected first round pick before his junior year. First team all-American. Fastball was 90-92 with movement. Still a 3rd round pick even with his nagging arm problems. Look nobody is a lock for the major leagues, but Buck was a real talent.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            By the way, he was drafted higher than Ellsbury. So the not much buzz in high school theory isn’t working. How many no-hitters did he have in high school anyway??

            And Buck was a two sport athlete, only focusing on baseball for maybe 2 years.

          • angry angry says:
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            Okay he was awesome and a future MLB star, and you’re awesome. Are you done now?

          • Angry@angry says:
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            You still haven’t admitted when you’re wrong?

  • youngorst says:
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    I don’t see the need to vent. Sure they lost but that wasn’t exactly unexpected.

    This was a rebuilding year and they did more than was expected during the regular season, got hosed by the selection committee and placed in arguably the toughest regional once they arrived they made several mistakes like young teams tend to do, ran into a buzz saw in VCU, and got knocked out by the host who happens to be a sting baseball team.

    Its baseball, anything can happen in such a small sample. Tip your cap, learn from the experience, and come back stronger next year. Don’t give the committee a reason to send you to Texas next year.

    • mckalk says:
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      Rooting for a college sports team almost always ends in disappointment. In baseball and basketball almost every team ends the year with a loss. There’s only one champion in football. It’s a fools game in some ways, that’s why as long as my teams play well and are coached well, I’m ok with where the results fall. With two national championships in baseball, I feel like we already won the lottery and it probably ain’t happening again in our lifetime.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Can we ever have a lock down bullpen or does PC’s habit of riding his starters preclude this from happening?
    I’m starting to think Yeskie is not such a great coach. The same issue year after year.

  • JockItch JockItch says:
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    OK guys….I did a little research and found the following per Wikipedia as my reference

    Per wikipedia,

    Since 2010 to 2015 the PAC has had to travel (greater than 2,000 miles) to a regional in the East, 10 times (WSU, Cal, OR, OSU in 2010, OSU in 2011/2012, and WA, OR, Stanford in 2014). The SEC has had to travel to the West coast 3 times (Ole Missx2, LSU), the ACC has had to travel to the West coast 4 times (Virginax2, and Clemsonx2). If you want, you can check wikipedia, and check my numbers. The PAC-12 has averaged about 5 let into the tournament, ACC about 7, and the SEC about 9. The PAC-12 with less as many teams into the tournament to begin with, has travelled twice as much as the ACC, or SEC — for that matter, more than the ACC and SEC combined. This is my argument. The PAC-12 sucked it up this year, but for some reason the PAC is made to travel more than the other power conferences….not sure why this is so. I’m questioning the imbalance in the regional selections, and therefore the propensity to make the West coast travel….that is all.

  • tim318 says:
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    OSU will have a disadvantage recruiting in baseball vs. other states (TX, AZ, CA, FL, LA) where the weather is better in the late winter/spring. Beaver players don’t get much outdoor practice before the season starts. But they are competitive year in, year out. Made the post-season 10 of 11 years. Made CWS 4 times. Earned a national reputation.

    OSU is completing against MLB for recruits (losing players out of HS to the draft). A lot happens in college developmentally. Injuries happen.

    I wouldn’t exactly say that OSU is a hot-bed for major league players. Most guys are career minor leaguers.

    OSU has great fan support.

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