01.Jun.2015 On Critical Thinking, Moving Toward Football Season, (General Thread)

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I came across this quote today by physicist Richard Feynman

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself – and you are the easiest person to fool.

It applies to sports fans. It applies to myself. We all want to be better critical thinkers. That requires removing as much bias as possible to strip things down to the core. There are barriers to being a good critical thinker. For example, if you emotionally invest (ego) into a conclusion, motivated reasoning kicks in and distorts and biases critical thinking towards fooling one’s self. It is very possible to have your critical thinking skills lead you to the wrong answer, only to find your more confident than ever in this error because you’re so heavily invested. This results in a “sophisticated rationalization” that feels like truth, making the pattern harder to break. Admitting I/we/you were wrong is part of critical thinking and removing bias. Just keep that in mind. People get mad when new data comes in, and I change my mind. They view it as inconsistency. I view it as discovery. As if changing one’s mind, in the face of overwhelming evidence, is a bad thing. That should be applauded not chided. For example, Johnny Hekker is now a great punter (to my amazement). Great critical thinking should be flexible and not afraid to change.

Anyway, this very human issue is something to be aware of moving forward. It is the curse of Beaverblitz and PureOrange readers. Think how it made them staunchly back Riley for years, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

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Moving on…

Fall practice doesn’t begin until August 10th (9am precisely), and will go almost through opening day. So what to discuss between now and then? Well, like above, let’s try to all improve our critical thinking for this massive coaching change. Setting reasonable goals for season one is probably a good idea. I’d say 6 wins would be a success. Though, I do think more or fewer are possible, as there are so many variables for which to account.

I don’t have the time to analyze each position right now. Between now and camp I will. I need to familiarize myself with the roster after all the changes, and just haven’t done it yet because I’m not in the football mindset. Now that we’re in June, that will slowly set in. If anyone wants an opinion on a player I’ll give that, etc. Or, just use this as a general thread. I really want to make sure our mindset is right and not make an embarrassment out of AB. Many fans who read this site only knew Riley, so this is going to be a big deal. It’s like breaking up with your first and only girlfriend and going out into the scary world of dating…many emotions, biases, and such. So get that all in check and prepare yourself for the season. Try to set reasonable goals, try to think critically without bias and emotion, try to add a little humor into the mix, etc. Have at it.

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  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    A few names to watch in recruiting over the next week or so:

    -2016 4*(5*) O-lineman, Michael Eletise, will be trimming his list down to a top 10 after the Maximum Exposure camp which is held in Hawaii June 5th-7th. He’s been rumored to have OSU high on his list of offers, which is saying something because his list is at around 50+ offers with new offers coming almost daily.

    -Oregon State has offers to two other Hawaiian O-lineman in Toleafoa Sean Auwae and Nate Herbig. Auwae is listed as a 4* talent on some sites, and Herbig is a 2*/3* guy who has seen his stock rise over the past few weeks. Would be impressive if the Beavs could land all 3 big Hawaiians, who all know each other. Keep an eye out for news regarding these 3 in the next couple of weeks as some of the coaches will be back on the islands.

    -June is full of sattelite camps with some that the Beavs will be hosting, as well as a local camp on campus. Sattelite camps will be in Washington, Texas, 2 sites in Cali and 2 sites in Utah. A large number of athletes are signed up to attend, and it will be a good chance for the coaches to see some guys up close, who normally wouldn’t be able to visit the Corvallis camp.

    -3* OLB, Dallas Jaenty, had Beavs high on his list. Hopes to commit soon, although no timeline has been set. Bright kid from Ft Lauderdale who has been on Andersen’s radar since the beginning.

    -Nobody seems to be talking about it, but 4* TE/DE Darel Middleton from Oak Ridge, TN has the Beavs in his top 6. (ASU, Bama, S.Carolina, Florida among the others) He’s hoping for an offer from Oregon/Georgia/LSU, but plans to make his commitment some time soon. He’s close friends with current WR Xavier Hawkins.

    • angry angry says:
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      Eletise loves the Beavs. If he commits, it could be a snowball effect. They need a huge signing to get things rolling.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      One other name to watch is current commit Trevon Bradfor from Oregon City. Oregon State was his first D1 offer last month and he committed shortly after. Several fans questioned that the Beavs were “reaching” on an unranked guy, just because he was local. Now he also has a WSU offer and has been visited on campus by Oregon, Michigan and USC. He now says he’s waiting to see if better offers come his way. Still a Beaver commit, but they’ll have to work to keep him as other programs are starting to become aware of his talent. Long ways to go till commitement day of course, so alot can change.

      • angry angry says:
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        He now says he’s waiting to see if better offers come his way.

        He actually said that?

        If so, Andersen should revoke the offer. That’s something that, even if you’re thinking it, you don’t say it. I wouldn’t want that guy on my team.

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          Quoted from an Andrew Nemec story. Hard to say how the question was presented to him but this is what he said:

          “I like Oregon State a lot, but if a better opportunity were to present itself I would look into it,”

          • angry angry says:
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            I guess Andersen can’t really fault the guy since he felt OSU was better than Wisconsin and bailed.

          • Corey says:
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            For whatever reason, “better opportunity” doesn’t sound as damning as “better offer” to me. I see him as just weighing his options, but I still don’t understand why he “committed” so early if he isn’t sure it’s the best fit.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            He also mentioned playing for Coach Brennan as being what interests him in Oregon State. Talked about how Brennan coached Brandin Cooks plays a factor.

            “It’s a big factor, because that is who I’m going to be with every day for the next four or five years,” Bradford said. “If he could develop me into something like that, that’d be huge. But I’ve got to work on it and see what happens.”

    • The Dude says:
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      Good stuff on Blitz regarding the 3 OL you mentioned above (Eletise, Auwae and Herbig). Quotes are from an interview with the newest offer of the 3, Herbig. Looks like the idea of having all 3 on the line isn’t totally far fetched.

      “I’ve been talking with the coaches and they came to my practice and I just made sure to work my hardest,” Herbig said. “I really like Coach TJ who told me about the type of offense they want. He said they want to be more of a power team and have a stout offensive line.”

      Hawaii looks to be an important part of the Beavers recruiting puzzle as they currently have extended offers to at least five players from the Islands for the 2016 recruiting cycle.

      “Oregon State has already offered Michael (Eletise) and Sean (Toleafo Auwae) and we always hangout and have talked about playing together in college,” Herbig said. “I definitely want to see the campus and visit hopefully later this summer.”

      “Coach Chad said he loves Corvallis and that it is a great community and it feels a lot like home,” he said.

      Recruiting has been picking up for the 6-foot-4, 320 pound lineman, who told BeaverBlitz that besides Oregon State, BYU, Hawaii, Colorado and Texas Tech have been recruiting him the hardest. Is he waiting for an offer from a ‘dream school’ however?

      “I don’t really have a dream school,” Herbig laughed. “I really liked Oregon State when I was young though.”

  • wannabeav says:
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    Critical thinking in the late Riley era (I discovered this site in 2011) was and has been easy; there was just so much to, well, think about. Thinking critically about the baseball team is a harder assignment because there isn’t as much low hanging fruit to seize upon. I think the most interesting angle in Angry’s recent depositions is the down-side from signing higher level recruits(counter intuitive as it may appear, especially with football in mind); the three-year factor, and what that portends in terms of windows of opportunity and concomitantly team chemistry. This is why the 2014 #1 seed bungle is so painful and why next year is so important because, nominally speaking, Casey should be in his sweet spot again with a junior-laden team. By the way, did Ellsbury leave after his junior year?

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Might be a good chance for some Riley vs Andersen quotes….

    @OSU_BeaverDam

    Jordan Villamin (@villythebeaver) will be answering all your questions on this account tonight from 6:00-7:00! http://t.co/YqKU7EjdtL

  • scotty says:
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    BeavRecruiting asks if he feels sorry for Nebraska fans. Villamin replies “@BeavRecruiting no they got a great coacgj”

    Let it be known he couldn’t bring himself to say Riley was great “coach” but makes it look like a typo to be diplomatic. This guy is genius ; )

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    OT; Mark May out! TFG.
    Image for the news result
    ESPN’s Mark May moved off college football studio show – College Football – SI.com
    Sports Illustrated? – 9 hours ago
    Mark May will no longer appear on ESPN’s studio show “College Football Final,” reports …

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      Maybe they hire that fat slob from SI, uh, what’s her name…

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      as grumpy cat would say…….GOOD! That guy was horrible. It will be quite refreshing not to have to listen to him and Lou Holtsch this fall/winter

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Amen to that.

      • Jack says:
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        What show were they on? Did anyone watch it? As I understand, it was the after-show? Does anyone really need to be watching a show about a game we just saw? Pre-game shows are hard to watch as it is. But at least they have the ability to show the passion and fun that surround college football.

        I’m guessing this show is just a ratings dump, and that’s why people are getting fired. It will still be a ratings dump because it is what it is. Personnel won’t make a bad idea suddenly a good one… unless they maybe had a panel of comedians choose any number of highlights and presser comments and fan clips and comment on those for a while.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          ESPN has announced its announcing lineups for the bowl season that starts Saturday and here’s what Oregon State and Oregon fans can expect:

          Hawaii Bowl: Oregon State vs. Boise State at 5 p.m. on Dec. 24 on ESPN
          TV: Steve Levy, Lou Holtz, Mark May and Maria Taylor

          http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2013/12/espn_sets_announcers_for_orego.html

          Either you didn’t watch or forgot. I didn’t forget. I watched the 2nd half with the tv muted

          • Jack says:
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            I usually watch football games muted with music playing instead. The crowd dulls to a hum and puts me to sleep. The announcers are usually horrible and (obviously) redundant. And the volume on commercials ends up being twice what the volume is on the actual content. So instead of being irritated by announcers while falling asleep, only to be woken when a commercial starts blaring something about erectile dysfunction, I can relax and just watch the game.

          • Jack says:
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            Besides, isn’t he only removed from the one show? It doesn’t look like he’s gone from game broadcasts. In fact, I would guess he’ll do more now.

    • angry angry says:
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      Why are you watching ESPN to begin with?

  • Craig R. says:
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    Oooooh mama got the good grits tonight! She made the pork sliders with onions and crawfish pie 2.

    • scotty says:
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      K

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      don’t you have some talented players to go teach how to not play defense? Oh, that’s right. Shit, my bad

      • Jack says:
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        Until I just now read your comment, I did not correlate this guy’s handle with our former coach. Now his comment on the other thread makes a little bit more sense… and takes on an ugly, racist tone.

        I feel dense sometimes. How did I miss that? I just thought it was some guy named Craig who was blurbing weird non sequiturs to be a disrupting, unfunny Duck troll. And now I can’t blame Duck fan because they’re not non sequiturs.

        That sucks.

        • jacksanass says:
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          Get a grip. He wasn’t racist, just not complimtary. Anyone that isn’t complimentary to obama and his extended family is racist to you. Your white guilt is suffocating.

          • Jack says:
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            Nope. That’s what I thought when I thought he was just making fun of AAVE as some annoying Duck. Now that I realize he’s taking on the persona of a black man, every single post he’s made with that vernacular has been a racist fucking post.

            There’s are no two ways around this one.

            And it has nothing to do with Obama until today for me. The only reason it does is because you bring him up, and I am giving you more respect than you deserve by answering that dumb as fuck conclusion. White guilt? Obama’s a white man too.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            So do you only swing on his black testicle?

          • Jack says:
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            Go back through all my posts and find one that pretends to swing on any part of the man. And again, he’s a white man.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            He’s half black you Fucking racist.

          • Jack says:
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            Actually, he’s not. He’s a little more white than he is black. But if I’m to be charged with white guilt, whatever it is, then the accuser can at least bring up someone who is more black than white. Never mind that I was just bashing a racist post that made fun of all blacks.

            Isn’t that how white guilt works? Isn’t there some quantitative amount of heritage involved in order for one person to be viewed as being whatever white guilt makes them?

          • Jack says:
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            Here… if you think he has the brains to improve that lect, I have a school he can attend.

          • whatever says:
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            I need to watch that whole movie again.

          • whatever says:
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            “Oooooh mama got the good grits tonight! She made the pork sliders with onions and crawfish pie 2.”

            Not racist? You’re an idiot.

          • Jack says:
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            Yeah… just imagine if dood used the handle Thomas Sowell instead, and I still called bullshit… which I would do.

            Would I then be labeled as a proponent of the Chicago School and someone sucking one of his body parts?

  • AndersenEra says:
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    Villamin says strength workouts during the summer have been about a 7 out of 10 as far as intensity level. Have to assume that means they were a 4 under Riley. Crank that up to an 8 by the middle of July and these guys should be ready for fall camp.

    • Jim says:
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      Why do you have to assume that? Maybe they were 10 out of 10 under Riley. I’m guessing not, but who knows.

      • Jack says:
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        Agreed. I have no idea whether or not Woods even knows what a 10 is, let alone whether I can try to derive a comparison from what he says.

        I do know a good coach will see that and assume that he can give at least 3 more… whatever that may be… and will likely do something about that.

        • Jack says:
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          And, in the end, the workout you get is equal to the workout you give.

      • scotty says:
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        Do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts that aw shucks Riley ran a 10/10 intensity regime? Bahahaha!

        • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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          I bet they cooled off with a nice water balloon fight afterwards.

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        I’d have to look it up but it seems like Andersen made several comments about the team not being strong enough and needing more work, especially in the immediate time frame after his hire. It seems reasonable to connect the dots that the Riles regime was less than a ‘7 of 10.’

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    A little OT, but I met Storm Woods going to the movies last Friday night. Great guy, and he said Andersen was working them hard. His date was great, too.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      “His date was great, too”

      And he was ok with this?

  • thebeaverman says:
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    anyone have beaverblitz? i want to know who is not in from their recent article

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      I think by out it just means mission bound, which means Simo Moala, Lopini Katoa, and Christian Folau are “out” and the rest are “in”(paul lucas included)

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Cal and UCLA both bite the dust tonight. Zero Pac-12 teams get out of regionals.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Conference of Champions! That is amazing. First time since ’99 that no PAC team is in the super regionals. Anybody but the SEC.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    So when do we start the Peko countdown?

    • Jack says:
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      I think we just did.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        “One more O-line class to pass……”

      • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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        is there a peko countdown widget that could be added to the angrybeavs page? Similar to the twitter feed?

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Peko is gonna play this Fall.
        I understand that Andersen is keeping him on a short chain. Spring practice reps wouldn’t have been wasted on him if there wasn’t a firm belief by this staff that they could see that he gains eligibility.
        The goofy old bike ridin’ laid back coaching approach is gone, this new staff has some backbone and pride.

        If you read Quick’s piece on how Casey motivated Nobach I think you have somewhat of an idea of the kind of approach Andersen is using with Peko, especially with respect to ridin’ his butt about classwork.

  • BeaverJuice says:
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    I have a couple of thoughts I would like to throw out there. Personally I believe the chainsaw needs to go. It is obnoxious and doesn’t really fit the personality of the university or the football team. It sounds more like a weed whacker during 3rd downs and just reminds me that my lawn still needs to be cut. I would rather have anything on third down; even the sound of wood splitting or a tree falling would be better than the chainsaw.

    The inflatable football helmet also needs to go. It does not bring a tough attitude but more of a hip hip hooray kind of feeling if anything. The way the player entrance ramp is set up, a dark lit run down beaver dam with water pooling on the sides when it reaches the bottom would have a better fit. These are some ideas that could create a consistent tough national identity.

    (Dam Example)

    https://garciamedialife.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/average-beaver-dam.jpg

    • angry angry says:
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      The chainsaw and inflatable helmet both need to go.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Yes.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        we always thought the chainsaw sounded like a dying cow

        • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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          I’ve had people sitting near me from visiting schools wonder the same thing. Last year against PSU i was in the visitor’s section and the fans thought it was a cow. The year before vs Stanford, a bunch of Stanford fans were in my section and the first time we fired up the cow….er…chainsaw….i could hear them saying “what is that?” and laughing…

          Yeah, it’s time to change things up when you’re being laughed at by visiting fans, and your own fans as well.

    • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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      I love the chainsaw.

    • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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      The chainsaw always felt like it was done because the Timbers were doing it. Get rid of it.

      As for the inflatable football helmet, I have no real opinion either for or against it.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        They should go with an inflatable beaver.

        • Jack says:
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          Sheesh! Just make a giant paper print of a different Georgia O’Keefe painting for each game and have them crash through it instead.

    • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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      How in the world do you guys expect me to know that it is third down while raiding the fridge during the game! 🙂

  • Jack says:
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    OT… this is high comedy.
    http://www.itv.com/news/story/2015-06-02/sepp-blatter-resigns-as-fifa-president/

  • JockItch JockItch says:
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    Gents….I got into an argument with a guy regarding PAC 12 baseball teams having to travel for the tournament ….if you want to see the numbers….check-out the baseball vent thread previous to this thread. Please have at it, and check my numbers.

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      …..I had to reiterate to him that this wasn’t an excuse for the PAC’s poor showing this year, but was interesting to chew on. This is the second year in a row that the PAC-12 will not have a team in the CWS. Something is wrong for our “Power” conference in baseball and the PAC is unfairly made to travel, and statistically the SEC/ACC have a huge numbers advantage going into the tournament, coupled with home field advantage for many of their teams. Anything we can do about this….write the commissioner?

      • Craig R. says:
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        Good luck. I wrote the commissioner several times with no reply. Typical although you better believe he’ll be there on selection Sunday while the rest of us get left in socks & slippers. Totally unfair

    • JockItch JockItch says:
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      Per wikipedia,

      Since 2010 to 2015 the PAC has had to travel (greater than 2,000 miles) to a regional in the East, 10 times (WSU, Cal, OR, OSU in 2010, OSU in 2011/2012, and WA, OR, Stanford in 2014). The SEC has had to travel to the West coast 3 times (Ole Missx2, LSU), the ACC has had to travel to the West coast 4 times (Virginax2, and Clemsonx2). If you want, you can check wikipedia, and check my numbers. The PAC-12 has averaged about 5 let into the tournament, ACC about 7, and the SEC about 9. The PAC-12 with less as many teams into the tournament to begin with, has travelled twice as much as the ACC, or SEC — for that matter, more than the ACC and SEC combined. This is my argument. The PAC-12 sucked it up this year, but for some reason the PAC is made to travel more than the other power conferences….not sure why this is so. I’m questioning the imbalance in the regional selections, and therefore the propensity to make the West coast travel….that is all.

  • Jack says:
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    Here’s an interesting take for our critical thinking process. I had a conversation with a friend about the fall, and he says a bowl game is a low bar for GA’s first year. But he couldn’t make any of his arguments without bringing up the past. Would that be emotion/self/hope? These are the points he brings up.

    1. The offense will be more successful regardless of QB or QB experience. By any metric, we were near the bottom of the pile in offense over the last five or six years. Yards mean nothing without correlating first downs and points. When we have been good at one thing or another, it was because we had stellar athletes creating those numbers. It was not the system. In fact, the system was too cutesy at too many crucial times. It was so much so that you, me, opposing teams and everyone else knew what was coming in those situations. The new system is designed to keep defenses with superior athletes off balance. A good coach can make the new system work a majority of the time by stressing the success of the team as a whole instead of relying on the athleticism of a few. A great coach can do more.

    2. The defense will be better for two reasons. First, they will be playing against a faster, more unified and more common offensive system. This is where QB experience will be a factor which helps them. An inexperienced QB learns the game by making a majority of mistakes in practice. The defense learns how to see and take advantage of those mistakes, and hopefully learn to force some of them as well. They will be in better condition, and they will be able to play on the fly if need be. Better is still a low bar compared to our past defenses. But it is what it is. Second, shifting to a three man front is more beneficial in today’s college game for many reasons. Like the offense, there will always be a dearth of NFL caliber talent on the defensive side. But with more offenses going to speed and misdirection, lesser bulk is necessary up front. LBs will be asked to make more athletic plays. But the down men can relax and play a simpler game. And even LB play may be overstated with he more common nickel (or cover 3) with that three man front.Speed on the edges is the equalizer on offense. Speed is necessary to counter that (given good fundamentals).

    3. The coaching will be better. Yes, Mike Riley is the greatest football coach on earth and can do more with less. In fact, here’s a list of the coaches who consistently do more with less. Note that Mike Riley is number nine on that list. We would be stupid to get rid of anyone like that where we have recruiting disadvantages like beautiful landscapes, an intelligent and entrepreneurial populace, safe streets, temperate weather and a college-centric town. In fact, every time you look at one of these lists measuring more with less, be sure to not look at the coach sitting at number one on those lists while coaching at two different schools over the past three seasons. He doesn’t count any more because he’s at a different school than either of the two schools you see there.

    4. Injuries and academics seem to be taking a lesser role in daily stories about the program. We won’t know until games are played if this is because there is less to report or if it’s because of the difference between the openness of the last staff and the policies of the new one. But my gut says the team is just better at caring for themselves than they have been in the past. And even if they are the train wreck they have been, a majority of the replacements for players who graduated last year are better football players than their predecessors. At full strength, our front three could be Grimble, Peko and Tago, with some pretty decent depth (compared to starters from years past) behind them. The coaches think the secondary is very strong. The LBs would be the question mark for now.

    5. The schedule lines up decently. Michigan will have a new coach and system. While that coach is Harbaugh, we get them early. Two untested new coaches with new systems is a toss-up which should be given to the home team. But we’ll see. There’s a world of tape on Harbaugh’s system. GA’s system will be a mystery until we finally see it. Stanford at home on a short week and the week after they travel to USC. A bye before we go to Zony, and after they travel to SU. UCLA and UW at home. Many question marks at QB–not just us.

    Nine wins (not including bowl game) would be a complete surprise. Eight would be great and a slight surprise. Seven is the number I like. Six would be acceptable. Five would be disappointing, but it would still be acceptable for the first year (only). Four wins would be a dumpster fire and about as likely as nine.

    If Vegas gives me an over/under of 6.5, I think they’d be about right. And I would take the over.

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      Vegas is currently offering OSU at 4.5, I believe. Time to put your money where your mouth is.

      • angry angry says:
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        That’s seems too low, but given the QB situation it makes sense.

        If one of these QBs steps up in the fall they’ll be over 4.5.

      • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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        4.5 seems right to me.

        Outside of Weber State, San Jose State, Colorado, and WSU the other teams seem like losses more likely than not.

    • wannabeav says:
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      Great analysis, Jack. See what you can do when you apply yourself? 🙂

      With the late-Riley trajectory 3 wins, +/- 1, was the likely outcome for 2015. I think 5 wins with this coaching staff is easily in reach, and if I had to forecast now with Andersen at coach, I think it is 7 wins, +/- 1.

      • Jack says:
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        Don’t think I stepped out of dork mode just yet. I just cut-n-pasted this from correspondence.

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        Need to go back and read the first paragraph, “These are the points he brings up.”

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Not sure about the OL and the D (then there’s the untested QB) so anything over 4 wins is gravy in my book.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    I see no list for no. 3. Teaser.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    This could be fun….

    OSU BeaverDam ?@OSU_BeaverDam 2m2 minutes ago
    Tonight at 7pm (Pacific Time) @JHekker will be taking over our account and answering your questions! #GoBeavs

    Gary Payton II will be on tomorrow

    • Jack says:
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      Will Keith Kostol be his sidekick?

      • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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        Maybe he should offer to do a Q&A for the Beaver Dam 😉

        • Jack says:
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          He could share duties with Mary-OH-tah’s mom.

          • Jack says:
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            Or was it Mary-oh-TAH? Still one of the best pranks ever.

          • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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            Bandwagon duck fans showing stupidity and ignorance. Or as everyone else calls it, everyday

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    Way off topic but why did US go after FIFA? Millionaire/Billionaire team owners did not want their meal tickets playing for national teams during league play Nov/Dec in Quatar. All sports are entertainment and entertainment means money. Does anyone alive actually believe that Nike is less crooked then Sepp Blatter?

    • whatever says:
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      FIFA was bribing people while physically located in the US. When they questioned one particular FIFA official, Chuck Blazer, they asked him if he’d paid taxes on this ‘income’. He said no. He was arrested for tax evasion and he sang like a canary on all his buddies in FIFA so the IRS would go easy on him. Those people he exposed are now about to be accused of racketeering and extortion.

      So, basically it’s the same as what was done to Al Capone.

      And no, Nike is every bit as crooked as Sepp Blatter. Well, close anyway.

      • whatever says:
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        But as far as the billionaire owner aspect, I disagree. This is about the US government wanting their cut of any illicit income they find out about. I doubt that could could give two fucks about whether Qatar got the world cup or what owners of Premier League teams wanted to be done.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    ran in to coach Baldwin at safeway this evening. Seems like a decent dude. I told him we’re glad they’re here

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      How come everyone runs into coaches now? I was in Corvallis for 20 years and didn’t have any encounters outside of an OSU bookstore book signing.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        first time I’ve ever encountered one out and about around town. They’re normal people away from coaching that have to grocery shop and go out to eat too

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    If you’re bored this is an amazing story.

    Cliff notes: Marine pilot has a fire in his F8 Crusader. Tries to punch out and the seat malfunctions so he manually releases the canopy and bails out. Then his parachute doesn’t open so he falls 15,000 feet into the Pacific ocean and lives. Holy Fuck.

    http://tailspinstales.blogspot.com/2009/05/i-fell-15000-feet-and-lived.html?m=1

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      wow. lucky to survive. Good read, thanks.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        I was in that squadron for four years and never heard that story until today.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          thank you for your service!

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          AMEs and PRs know it well. AFCA 323 on a Trans-Pac… June, 1963. The squadron has two groups head out the day before, and one of the group leaders had the same thing happen to him in refueling… but his seat pan and chute did work.

          Things not in this article that made the rescue just as impressive:
          He was lucky he had decelerated enough to jump. At speeds north of 240k a person blacks out due to the force.
          His chute did finally open just before he hit the water, probably saving him. But then it bacame a water sail that almost sucked him under.
          He had no markers, but his fueling partner stayed on him, marking his location.
          The Coastie plane couldn’t land, so he went off to a minesweeper for help. But he couldn’t access the right RF to comm, so he bounced a rescue hook off the bow of the sweeper, and the captain realized it was a distress call.
          Nobody knows how his life preserver opened. He said he never opened it, and hydrostatic activators weren’t in place until two decades later.

          An amazing story with all of the worst and best luck ever. That one’s engrained in the brain like the video of the Forrestal fire. And I can never forget this one. I remember the safety meetings after it happened.

          • Jack says:
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            Ftr… this kid had only a dislocated shoulder, a bald patch on his head and brown skivvy syndrome to show for all this. I heard from a friend that he had extreme PTSD and was discharged with disability a couple years later. But it’s still just amazing.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            The story we heard was that kid in the A6 intake caught his float coat on a pitot tube, and his cranial got sucked off and fodded the motor. Any idea if that’s accurate?

          • Jack says:
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            Cranial did fod the intake first, and the pilot shut it down because of that, even before the plane captain waved shut-down. All of his PPE got sucked in too, including the MK. But I think it was pulled up over his head, which is what dislocated his shoulder (and maybe broke a collar bone?). I think the only thing that got close to the pitot was his head. And that’s halfway up the intake. He should have know better than to walk in like that after the shuttle was set.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Dude that suction is incredible even at idle. Fucking A6 has small intakes compared to an F18 or F14 too. I’ve final checked a million jets and you couldn’t pay me to get near those intakes.

          • Jack says:
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            How about a War Hoover?

            Yeah… I would rather go looking for a BT punch than find myself wearing a green shirt on the flight deck.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            I lived on the flight deck for 10 months. White shirt, final checker. Night crew for most of it. Couldn’t tell you how many pad eyes I’ve grabbed on to to keep from getting blown off the roof.

            Is the Hoover the S3?

          • Jack says:
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            S3 is Hoover because it sounds like a vacuum cleaner. A War Hoover is an S3 loaded for pigboat.

            Seen plenty of deck crew get blown around because they can’t have the sense to keep their heads down when the shot goes… pad eye be damned.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            VMF-323.

            Yeah when I made it back to the hangar I’d be walking into seat shop and shutting the door.

          • Jack says:
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            Responsible parties would probably be hanging upside down in the loft waiting for you.

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      Thanks for sharing, just followed the link, what a great way to start the day!

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Oregon State and OK State both have made HULK edits for michael eletise. Ive made the vote for the best artwork official (aka shameless angrybeavs promotion). Please have a look and vote. Viral marketing…

    BeavRecruiting (@BeavRecruiting) tweeted at 7:51 AM on Wed, Jun 03, 2015:
    By popular demand, let’s make the @MichaelEletise HULK vote official

    Retweet for Oregon State
    Fav for OK State http://t.co/2Wh8ifESgO
    (https://twitter.com/BeavRecruiting/status/606110880804147200?s=03)

    • Jack says:
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      Wtf? Okie St. just took a picture of the Hulk and pasted a bunch of stuff on it? They gotta try harder than that.

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    WSU baseball has hired former Beaver assistant Marty Lees to take over as their new head coach.

    https://twitter.com/WSUCougars/status/606150991797452800

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    Lees is a great hire. There hasn’t been much talk about him here unfortunately. I think we have perhaps too much group think on Scott Brosius in case Casey is chosen for AD. Lees had a big part in those championship runs. He also is younger than Brosius who isn’t much younger than Casey. For the next 7 years Lees could be the better coach pick than Brosius and has potential for longer.

    Wish there was more talk of him here. Cougs make a great hire.

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    UCLA loses a 4* Dual threat QB to transfer. Asiantii Woulard was one of the top rated QB’s to come out of Florida a couple years ago. He’s the 4th dual threat qb to leave a program in the past few weeks. Not sure where they all plan to land. Woulard is being rumored to be transferring to Florida, where Luke del Rio recently transferred. Maybe Luke will be on the move again?

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    We have a new QB commit for 2016. Mason Moran from Chandler, AZ. Has a few talented teammates in AZ who would make good gets too, including Chase Lucas

    • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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      Looking at his Hudl footage, I like how he’s got real legs and gets the ball out quickly.

      His work at Safety isn’t bad, either. Wonder where he’ll get played.

      • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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        They want him at QB. Had a senior playing ahead of him last year but will be full time qb for chandler next season

        • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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          Just got home and saw the news. Got a QB, looking over his tape he looks good, but all tape looks good.

          This staff really seems active. Thanks Blaze

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            Not to toot any horns, but angrybeavs/beavrecruiting broke the commitment news before any other site on the whole interwebs

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    Here is a scouting report
    OVERALL TRAITS
    Size-Strength-Speed
    Long, lanky, wiry late bloomer that is still developing his frame. Is only going to get bigger and stronger over time. Needs to add bulk to his frame, particularly if he ends up on defense. He is very athletic and flexible with good quickness, feet and top end speed as either a QB or safety.

    Ball Skills
    Displays competent ball skills from his safety position and puts himself in position to make plays on the ball. Is a very good ball handler offensively and is comfortable handing the ball under center.

    Versatility
    Is a viable candidate as a dual-threat quarterback for the right program. He is a competent thrower, but with technical quirks. He can be a very good runner and zone-read operator. He is really athletic with the ball in his hands for a QB. Defensively, he is a hash and high point safety with range and instincts. Does not possess the physical stature to be a consistent force near the box at this stage.

    Big Play Ability
    This kid is a good football player in many ways, but not a dynamic, game-changing type. Possesses a live arm and quick release, but pushes the ball with a low delivery point. Has enough arm talent to make the necessary throws and is dangerous when things break down. He can run well and makes plays on his own. Will surprise you with his open field speed and elusiveness. Defensively, he is always around the football in some way. Positions himself well pre and post snap and is quick to react to what he sees. Times hits and while he doesn’t carry much weight, he will pack a punch. Shows toughness and willingness in run support to run the alley and make the proper fits.

    Bottom Line
    Moran is a developmental player whose future position may still be up in the air. He needs maturity and physical development and is a few years away as a prospect. Is likely to see some mid-level power five and significant group of five attention and depending on the program he could remain under center.

    Underclassman Eval
    STRENGTHS: Moran is an athletic prospect with a competitive edge on either side of the football. Is an athlete at QB with the ability to effectively run the zone read with the speed to press north. As a Safety, shows the range to cover ground and make plays as a back end defender. … AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT: Will need to continue to fill out and add more strength. Shows some tightness in his hips when forced to quickly make a 180 degree turn as a safety. … BOTTOM LINE: Moran is a player and will only continue to mold and develop his skill set. Most likely a safety at the college level.

  • the dude says:
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    Cliff notes from the Blitz interview.

    Mcgiven offered him while visiting a practice. Said he can play at the next level and offered him on the spot.
    Andersen told him he is their #1 QB target while on his corvallis visit last weekend.
    He fell in love with oregon state and corvallis on his visit and cant wait to get back up here.
    Coaches told him after he committed that now it’s his turn to help recruit some talent to come play up here with him (plays with 4* Chase lucas and 5*N’keal Henry, both with Beaver offers.)

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    OT: ESPN picks the best players for each jersey number. Two rodents.
    Isaac S #56 Oregon State.
    Jonah Pirsig #79, 6’9″ 325 Jr. RT Minnesota. Yes, he is one big M’fer.
    Play2:32
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    3h
    College football’s best players — by jersey number

    From No. 1 — Florida CB Vernon Hargreaves III — to No. 99 — Penn State DT Austin Johnson — here are the top players in the country to wear every single jersey number.
    + By conference: Players who just missed being the best at their number

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