Starts at 12 today. Link here for radio.
The big story will be if the umps are still hosing OSU/Heimlich. Make notes of all bad calls so the NCAA can be held accountable. They clearly have a vendetta since they didn’t put Luke on any of their pre-season stat leader boards. This could explain the especially atrocious calls in basketball this year, too.
Go Beavs!
My accustomed position #1 in your hearts. Off to Surprise for the first game of what should be a remarkable year for MBB.
I hope Casey plays Luke as much as possible to get all the haters over it by the time the world series comes. I also hope all this puts a fire in Luke to succeed instead of a fear.
So apparently the new board group think is the officials are cheaters and hate OSU. Got it. But yeah, being okay with 6-6 in 2018 football is the loser mentality…..
You have become insufferable. Get on meds or something.
Did you see Greg Street? Did you hear the guy in Omaha last year say OSU wasn’t welcome? Did you see the NCAA leave Heimlich off their pre-season lists? Yeah, wild conspiracy…lol
I never said the officiating wasn’t terrible vs. LSU last year in the CWS but at this point people on this board are claiming every sport is rigged. Its not. Last year was a rare occasion where the problem was obvious. You have no clue what umps will do this year nor does it make any difference if the NCAA puts Luke on the lists or not.
I find this constant harping on OSU fans being losers, refs hating OSU, and Riley is really the coach threads pretty damn insufferable.
The only wild conspiracy is that every ump/ref is out to get OSU.
Now that we’ve seen one do it without consequence, it’s possible. But we’re going to have to see each of them to judge each of them.
Fortunately, there are clearly defined rules which tell us if an ump is coloring outside the lines… or at least doing it inconsistently for both teams.
Wasn’t street the guy that was the home plate ump that had a horrible strike zone when beavs played LSU? he actually made that statement during the WS and they allowed him to ump a game with the beavs? That’s the first time I’ve heard that he made that statement…he should NEVER be allowed to ump another game…i still have video of those horrible strikes. Efff that guy and the nc2A for allowing him to ump.
The guy who made the comment did it prior to the WS…I think he was a NE local involved in the hosting, etc. Can’t remember exactly, but he made some comments that OSU wasn’t welcome because there were children in the ballpark.
I don’t recall anyone in any position of authority, power, etc saying that. Luke, being the “sex offender” didn’t go, so that comment doesn’t even make sense. It definitely was not an ump that said it either
Surely someone will remember the guy who said it. Not sure how to google it.
Being okay with 6-6 in 2018 is fine, despite your straw man.
Calling it a success is a lie. It’s mediocrity. It’s fine to like mediocrity if you can call it improvement. But don’t call it a success. Only a success is a success. And when you conflate it with mediocrity, you blur the lines so much that you also conflate it with failure.
Success is an objective term. I think you’re leaning on satisfaction to justify your improper use of it. In fact, the most successful people out there are rarely satisfied.
Remember, Murphy was an optimist.
I like mediocrity–it’s a step up from the current political system.
I like mediocrity-it’s an improvement over conveyor belt sushi.
I like mediocrity-it’s better than a 1-10 season.
I like mediocrity-it indicates that there is an ability to achieve success in the future. If you fail all the time, you’re going to continue to fail.
Go Beavs~
That is so far from correct, that I can’t believe you posted it.
Those who fail to know failure will also fail to know success. You can like improvement, but liking mediocrity is admitting that you’ve just checked out and don’t care about success.
That leaves a fan to wonder why you even bother. Is it just because of the socialization that occurs at tailgates and in the stands? Do you know you can do that without having to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a lost cause controlled by a subculture you thought left with the two-time mediocre quitter who has recently been re-rehired?
And I’m talking about knowing failure in the way a drunk admits he has a problem. Instead of being afraid of failure, we should embrace it and move forward, learning and knowing all the little things that led to it so we can hammer those details until we build a foundation solid enough to have success.
Pasting together a mediocre shanty on some rickety foundation is nice for a backyard fort… when you’re 10. It’s fun. It’s not failure. But one day you’re going to want to grow up and build something real.
And apparently, if you’re an American, you need several cup-holders for it to be real.
don’t know if that is in response to me…frankly as an alum from over 30 years ago–I enjoy watching my school play and hope for the best, but I really don’t give a fuck about it. Is this the moment I’m told I need to be either “all in” on the critical analysis of OSU athletics or get the fuck out?
Strangely, my concerns have evolved to more about this country–how the hell did the biggest POS/con man/fill in the blank become the “leader” of the kollective? What kind of shrooms did millions of voters have when they voted for him? The sad thing–as shitty as an individual he is; he continues to lower the bar daily.
Just keep sending those thoughts and prayers, comrades.
Dumbshit’s not the biggest POS out there. He’s just a trust fund POS who can afford to pay his lawyers first, his accountants second, his employees and subs sometimes, and then his lawyers again.
Yeah… he hates this country with a stupidity borne of weird fallacies… or plays it on twitter/TV. But there are far worse than him out there.
It also reminds me to wonder what the OSU Nazi in the student council thinks about free speech when he walks through the MU and discovers his beliefs already had their say, and we as a country said no.
Wasn’t Trump supposed to be free market? Another tariff proposal on steel and aluminum that would make it more expensive for U.S. consumers, and the antithesis of free market. All to try to win the rust belt next election. Sad.
On the other point, if you don’t care about the team’s success, don’t complain when you’re called out for not caring about the team’s success.
One glaring omission on our AD’s vision was in the first section. Yes, it’s redundant with the university’s mandate for all students. But what it didn’t mention was using the opportunity of sport to develop leaders, not just successful people.
Clearly, it’s going to happen anyway. Some people just can’t be held back. But when you don’t strive for that as a measure of success within your stated goals, you settle for a success short of short of real, sustainable success.
Trump’s a protectionist in his rhetoric. But he’s also greedy and pliable by the free-marketeers. So long as the Smeagol known as Miller is in his ear, he’s going to blurt out a bunch of stupid platitudes to sustain the con.
I don’t think he understands he just doesn’t have the numbers. This coming election will be segmented and probably remain status quo. So it won’t look like a loss to him. But when the consensus gets to speak about him a second time, he’s a duck.
I guess he’s hoping we have another 9/11 on his watch so he can jump up and down and say he was right. That might scare enough people into believing him . Or maybe the economy crashes, and he convinces enough people that it’s Mexico’s fault? I know it sounds ridiculous, but it’s what got him there in the first place.
I think homefry is dismayed (like I was) that there are enough stupid people in this country to buy his act as sincere given his long, public history. Yeah… I’m supposed to believe a six time loser (seven if you count the USFL) trust fund brat who couldn’t make money on casinos or football in America when he says he’s a successful businessman.
Come on!
Who’s that stupid?
It was cool to watch the SJWs so upset, but that’s long over, and now we’re stuck with this mess.
The SJWs won.
What election were you watching? Did you think one side wasn’t a bunch of whiny blamers crying about how other people were to blame for their lot in life? It’s just that one side wanted more, and the other side wanted to blame the State Department for a CIA safehouse incident and something to do with pizza.
Sure, both candidates were sucky and economically insincere in their rhetoric. But I will… and this is hard to do… I will give HRC credit for at least acting consistently to give children equality as best she can. I can find a lot of flaw in design and implementation, but I can at least point to that as one positive for her. It’s not nearly enough to get me to vote for her. But it’s not going to turn me into some moron who hates America and just wants to see it burn… but won’t even get that because I’m finding out how big a loser Dumbshit really is.
Mike? Is that you?
Success is NOT an objective term. Success is 100% subjective.
If your goal is to lose 100 pounds and you also set smaller goals along the way (like lose 10 pounds per month) than each month you lose 10 pounds is a successful month.
If the goal is to get to the Rose Bowl but a smaller goal along the way is to get back to being bowl eligible than achieving bowl eligibility in 2018 would be a successful year.
I see.
So if I lose 9 pounds per month over a year, I’ve failed twelve months in a row?
Cognitive dissonance was brought up in the last thread. Do you know what that is?
When you succeed at being mediocre, you are still not successful. You’re just mediocre.
Why is that so hard to understand?
There are subjective levels for success, but they’re nowhere near 6-6. Winning our division would be the minimum level acceptable to call a season a success. When evaluating the seasons that don’t attain success, we can find several uncontrollable reasons that give a pass to the coaching, injuries being the most clear. But when the coaching itself is only capable of being mediocre, don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.
When the culture is so scared of failure that it distorts the truth in order to create a weird narrative of success, you should know that culture is leading the organization to eventual failure.
Lol, so now you agree that there are subjective levels of success. Thank you for agreeing that success is subjective. That is all I ever claimed and you now appear to agree.
You don’t have to think 6-6 would be a success in 2018 but because (as you just agreed) success is subjective others can.
As for the 9 pound comment, that is up to you. If the goal was 10 pounds, yes you failed to achieve your goal. Most people wouldn’t fail 12 months in a row because most people would adjust their goal if they realize their original goal (10 pounds per month) was unrealistic. Goals should be challenging but achievable. If you set the goal too high it makes sense to adjust said goal, same thing if you set it too low.
Winning the division in 2018 would be setting the goal too high IMO.
Getting bowl eligible is a challenging yet achievable goal. OSU will most likely fail to meet that goal in 2018 but its achievable.
FYI, there is nothing wrong with failing. Most successful people fail often but if you set a truly unattainable goal not only will you fail but you will get discouraged.
If you set a goal of 10 pounds and lose 9 you are unlikely to get discouraged by that but if your goal is 100 pounds and you only lose 9 pounds you are very likely to give up altogether.
Spot on, Jack.
YoungOrSt, since it’s all subjective, just call 1 win successful and revel in bliss. I mean you are close to doing that anyway so take the full plunge.
I agree its all subjective. I have no issues with you guys saying 6-6 wouldn’t be successful. My issue is with calling any fan who would find 6-6 successful in 2018 a loser. Which is what you did.
Claiming you are better than other fans is unproductive.
There are subjective levels of satisfaction. They’re not your subjective levels with all this mish-mash of calling meeting/missing benchmarks success/failure. They’re arguments above a certain benchmark, and they also don’t have anything to do with much of anything related to success.
I read Twitter and see what fans write. They have a losing/feeble mindset and hamster wheel to justify poor outcomes. If I want to write about it, I’ll write about it.
I get what you’re saying.
But you then kill decent arguments by diving into straw men with only binary outcomes. Nobody said improvement isn’t welcome. But when improvement ends, what are we left with? Are we left with a culture who is satisfied with mediocrity so long as “the right people” are in place?
That culture will fail despite its fear of failure. Their cycle travels from the lows of failure to the highs of mediocrity. That’s just a miserable way to exist.
We haven’t lost to an FCS team in four years.
So we’ve had some success.
To put it at the lowest level, let’s say we go 7-2 in conference and win the North. If we lose the CCG and get a RB appearance as a consolation, then we can lose all other games, and I would call the season a success.
We could end up 7-7, and the season could be a success.
Again, that record bespeaks mediocrity, and the bowl system itself would amend the rules to keep this mediocrity from tainting their products… because mediocrity breeds antipathy. So that’s not a sustainable benchmark. But it exists as of now.
Why is it so hard to understand that success is not achieved overnight at programs like OSU? It took the ducks roughly from 1977 when they hired Brooks to 1994 to get to the rose bowl. During that same period and since, they have had some up and down seasons even with all of the resources and uncle Phil’s money. Anyone that thinks this rebuild at OSU will happen and happen quickly doesn’t understand what it takes to actually BUILD for success….and that doesn’t mean they’re building to be mediocre….if you believe that’s the ultimate goal of any coach including Smith or beaver nation…..mediocrity…..well, you’re mistaken…i think most fans if not all would love to see the beavs win the pac12 title and go to the playoffs but most of us understand it takes more than wishful thinking. And that doesn’t mean we are willing to accept mediocrity….for some that might be true but for the majority I don’t think so. Will JS achieve success at OSU and win a north title and conference title? That remains to be seen, but if he doesn’t and in 3-4.years starts producing consistent winning seasons a bowl appearances ten he will have a achieved a certain level of success…certainly not the level of ultimate success but it’s not failure or mediocrity either….after all, one could argue there’s only one team that attains that level of success every year but doesn’t mean other teams haven’t been successful.
We’re not far off from success. A proper QB is the main missing piece and would cover up a lot of the other problems.
Oh shut up. It’s not hard. It’s only hard for some to understand why OSU is one of the programs like OSU.
And before you roll out a comprehensive list of tartan excuses, first list the condition of the facilities in 2000.
It’s friggin’ football.
It doesn’t need to be arbitrarily difficult.
Jack, if it’s subjective as you say, wouldn’t immediately naming a “minimum acceptable” be inconsistent with that subjectivity — unless you clarified it as YOUR minimum acceptable?
Oh… and you can’t have watched Greg Street behind the plate in that game and come to the conclusion that he wasn’t calling an egregiously insultng strike zone for LSU but keeping it tight for OSU… until about the sixth when he started calling the inside for OSU… finally… but still not the outside… not 8, 10 or 14 inches outside… not outside at all.
And yet had Pat Casey been competent enough to challenge 1 double that was ruled foul OSU would have won and never even played that game. But we can’t put any blame on Casey right?
I don’t think so. It would have been ruled a GRD, and we only had a man on first. The 3B ump’s pretty bad mistake (if you watch it live) killed that rally. I’m not sure the 3B coach was watching the play, instead just waiting on the call.
I say that last because the runner at first was flying but stopped suddenly like he was held up by the coach. He looked confused at first then looked back to the corner to watch the play. So I’m guessing the 3B coach didn’t see it come off the bat and maybe caught the end of the play with a quick glance.
I’d have to go back and watch the play again but it wouldn’t have to be ruled a GRD, the umps have the ability to decide where to place the runners after a review. Either way. I still think they win that game if Casey simply challenges that call. Maybe I am wrong, I don’t think that gets Casey off the hook, you have to challenge there. If you don’t you failed to do your job.
Hmmm… I’m not sure it would have been a GRD now. I’ve never thought that far into the scenario.
It was just a bad call that jobbed us, and not going to replay jobbed us as well… if that was an option. It’s the CWS. Better safe than sorry.
Of course Casey was to blame for not reviewing it, and that was mentioned at the time (to A@A’s chagrin because Casey has no warts).
I’m not sure what exact logical error this is, but it is definitely a logical error:
(paraphrasing) “If Casey had challenged we wouldn’t have been in the game where Greg Street called a one way game for LSU.”
If X had done their job, Y not doing their job wouldn’t matter. Really?
That type of logic is like blaming Hiroshima on Einstein being born.
Post hoc.
As I recall, we had runners on first and second on Kwan’s double to left that would have made the score at minimum 3-2 but that call killed beavs momentum.
Angry,
My point is that losers blame officials. Winners accept their role in the process. The ump that called that 2nd game should have been fired, no doubt about it but that ump only got that opportunity because Casey fucked up in the previous game.
Moral of the story, don’t leave it up to the officials.
Agree losers blame umps and refs, but I’m not sure I ever did that. I’m curious to see if they continue to hose Luke, etc. And the NCAA leaving him off the list is a legit concern. It implies they’ve made a conscious decision that is anti-OSU.
There’s a difference between blaming refs for no reason and blaming them because they basically say they hate your team. The first should be ignored, and the latter should be noted at every occasion.
The latter hasn’t happened. Nor will it happen.
The NCAA likely made a PR decision to avoid the Heimlich story, that by no means indicates they hate OSU or plan to cheat to keep OSU (or Heimlich) from succeeding.
Well that’s why I’m curious to see what happens…
If they call good, fair games cool.
I don’t even think Heimlich (or the NCAA) was the reason the ump was so bad in the LSU game, he was just a shitty ump.
A shitty ump for one team, with the “child molester” on it, while he’s a cop. Okay…
You are so naive.
Lol, whatever…..
It was so bad that the announcers were talking about it for the majority of 4+ innings, until the game was out of hand.
That doesn’t happen with bad officials who are honest. Honest but bad officials make mistakes a machine wouldn’t make at about a 15-20% rate. He was that bad for us on anything painting the plate. But then he gave up 16 inches to them with zero framing by the C. He also gave up 8 inches to them on the inside but called it straight up for us. If you put a machine on him for us, his numbers say he’s an honest, bad official. I would say what he called for them was maybe 30% clean.
Since I don’t believe in coincidence….
Jack once again correct.
Hey Jack, you appear to be a little “off” today as in….Jack’s off a lot of days.
Luke gets the start today
http://radio.securenetsystems.net/v5/KQTM New Mexico Lobos radio. Introduction: talked about Luke’s ERA and that he didn’t play in the CWS but nothing more. Coach says they are ready and excited to be playing against the best.
No video for this one, correct?
Ooh!
I hadn’t thought about opposing players, coaches and schools not really being able to say anything abut this because they actually know the law and shit.
That could be entertaining over the course of the season.
A report direct from Arizona via the tightest possible string between two tin cans:
“Luke was the only player to get a loud sustained applause when the lineup was announced”
“Luke got another nice round of applause when he came in from the pen to start the game, shouts of “go get’em Luke” and hugs from teammates”
“The entire dugout came out to greet Luke after the third out”
Luke with a nice first inning.
anyone have a audio stream for the game?
It’s linked above.
I’ll add it to the main post.
Parker’s sidekick doing play-by-play here:
https://tunein.com/radio/Oregon-State-Beaver-Sports-Network-s206510/
The other guy is actually better, even though he isn’t a homer.
Indeed – I prefer real announcers.
thanks
Oh, oh – New Mexico announcer going into the story at great length –
At least he added that Heimlich denied the charges and only pleaded guilty to avoid a trial.
I found him to be fair
Yeah, same.
He messed up some terminology, but overall he was fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynfu6hSqViI
with a nice play to get the runner at 3rd
Beavs up 2-0 on Nick M HR.
what can’t Madrigal do a big two run home run 2-0 Beavers
Point guard or QB?
Madrigal with a 2 run dinger to put us up 2-0 in the bottom of the 4th
And Larnach follows up with a solo
Larnach with another jack 3-0 Beavers
5-2 good guys, middle of the 6th.
Luke at 87 pitches and just gave up 2 runs; will Casey pull him? Warts.
NewMex announcer in a completely different league than Parker’s sidekick, not even close.
And, no sooner than posted, he (NewMex announcer) remarks that “even the Oregon State fans” applauded the nice play by Lobo CF; class guy….or so it seems to me.
I think he should pull him after such a long lay off.
Is this radio guy NM or ESPN? The channel says it’s an ESPN station. Either way, he’s great.
I think he is with the local ESPN affiliate.
Yeah, no brainer at this point in the season to pull Luke.
His ERA sucks this year LOL…
As does Adley’s BA………LOL
He is a NM guy he knows too much about NM to be just an ESPN guy; I think the station is just an ESPN station
Eisert in for Luke, good move.
I almost figured Eisert had the chance to become a starter; because he has some nasty stuff.
I wondered about that also.
Seems he didn’t get a lot of love in pre-season discussions, did I miss something there? Maybe just the way it goes when the staff is so deep.
I thought Jake M would be a starter for sure this year because of his great control and composure.
Is he going to be the closer?
Beavers win 5-2 Eisert with the save
Above from youngorst:
“My point is that losers blame officials. Winners accept their role in the process.”
I guess that is why we never see Sean Miller, Coach K, Jim Boeheim, Calipari, whining to the refs, or guys like Bobby Knight, Dean Smith, Gene Keady, Lute Olson never berated refs either.
Don’t you mean to say that Hall of Fame coaches accept the refs as part of the process after they’ve gotten their desired effect, favorable calls?
It is much easier to accept their role in the process when you didn’t get robbed by said refs again and again.
My favorite response from an opposing coach (also a HoFer) when the other coach was berating the ref. As he walks over to get into the conversation:
Hey Bill! You know, if it helps, you can remind him about that rule where you can’t talk to a coach without both being present.
*nod & a wink… walks away*