27.Jan.2015 Oregon State @ Arizona State

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Wednesday, 5pm on Pac-12 network.

I don’t care for all this talk about the NCAA tournament or automatic NIT bid. Hopefully tinkle is doing a good job of blocking out all that noise.

ASU isn’t a great team, but road wins are always tough. With all the chatter about NCAA/NIT combined with a road game and @Arizona looming, Beavs are setup perfectly to be looking ahead and drop this game. I’m expecting a loss.

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  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Not sure how much he played for ASU, but Whiskey mentioned they lost their freshman PG for the season. Hoping that throws their rotation off this week and OSU squeaks out a win. Go Beavs

  • Bill says:
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    Tinkle has a lot of experience managing expectations. His Montana teams only got a bid if they won the conference tournament. Hard to see this team looking ahead of any teams with the low margin of error they have in each game. I expect a split. Beat ASU but lose to Arizona.

    Good defense beats ASU every time. ASU will only win if they can hit a lot of threes or get OSU into foul trouble early.

    Arizona will be looking for revenge and on their home court, where they are unbeaten. Can’t see any scenario where OSU pulls one out.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      not to mention the +3 home court advantage factor the Cats always seem to get where they shoot way more FT’s than their opponent, are allowed to basically mug anyone that takes the ball to the rim and ticky tack, touch fouls are called on the opponent.

      • scotty says:
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        Gotta protect the conference darling so they can get that high seed. The football quacks understand.

  • scotty says:
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    On today’s episode of Cornhusker Comedy Corner:

    http://forum.huskermax.com/vbbs/showthread.php?71303-More-good-news-for-Rileyshouldntofbeenhireders

    Husker fans contort their brains – and logic itself – in an attempt to talk themselves into believing Biley is a home-run hire!

    “Belichick’s coaching record at Cleveland, was 37-45 with one playoff win! He was FIRED and with justification but he didn’t have the resources he eventually wound up with at New England. Anyone want to argue he hasn’t been pretty successful at New England? Based on his Cleveland record you’d say NE was hiring a failed coach? Pete Carroll was barely a .500 coach BEFORE hired by USC! Looks like he’s done pretty well since then?”

    This is what I call the “exception as the rule” fallacy. Going by Husker logic, someone should snatch Craig Robinson for their basketball team ASAP! After all, his failure at Oregon State indicates he will be a huge success at another program! Also, are you thinking about dropping out of college? Do it! Bill Gates did it and look where he is now! Woo hoo!

    Also on today’s episode, the Lincoln media gets their darling, and the fans know it:

    http://forum.huskermax.com/vbbs/showthread.php?71264-Who-s-more-excited-about-the-new-staff

    “Who’s more excited about the new staff? Husker fans or Nebraska Sportswriters and reporters?”

    He is indeed the Anti-Pelini!

    Pelini: raving swearing lunatic…….. Riley: might let a “gee, that’s not a neat deal” rip if you lit his bike on fire while he rides it

    Pelini: says what’s on his mind…….. Riley: full of docile coachspeak (at least I hope that’s not truly what’s on his mind, but now that I think about it…)

    Pelini: 9+ wins per year……… Riley: LOL

    But the media will love him and he’s a nice guy… so good luck getting rid of Rile E. when he chokes the big one away! (and the little ones too)

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Pelini: 9+ wins per year……… RiLLLLey: Guaranteed four losses per year

      FTFY

      • youngorst says:
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        The difference is that Belicheck and Carroll were both in their first job (Carroll didn’t really get a chance to fail with the Jets) and were relatively young when they failed. Those could be deemed learning experiences. Riley has had many jobs and has a clearly established record.

        I do think its possible Riley busts through his 4 loss ceiling given the weakness of Nebraska’s division but I’d be shocked if he wins a conference title. Its just not who he is.

        • scotty says:
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          Agreed, it’s not who he is. Except for in Canada. He’s a beast in Canada.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Belichick also turned down the Jets job when Bill Parcells retired to take the Patriots job instead. He has New York fans hating him for all of eternity.

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        I got a chuckle out of one husker fans comment yesterday, showing this logic. I think I was at cornnation.com. He was saying about Harbaugh’s swipe of one of the recruits, that since Riley is such a good evaluator or talent, he was just monitoring who Riley takes interest in and goes in for the steal.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Those poor bastards!

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    how does this affect ASU, whiskey?

    Doug Haller (@DougHaller) tweeted at 3:44 PM on Tue, Jan 27, 2015:
    Arizona State coach Herb Sendek says G Roosevelt Scott and F Connor MacDougall remain suspended for Wednesday’s game vs Oregon State.
    (https://twitter.com/DougHaller/status/560221845530492928?s=03)

    Get the official Twitter app at https://twitter.com/download?s=13

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      dropping like flies. Is the great beaver in the sky smiling down upon us?

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Beaver or Lady Beaver?

        • Jack says:
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          I think “beaver” is gender neutral, which is what I think GOBeav was trying to say. It was just hilarious to watch that tit for whatever.

          Oops!

    • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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      You’d think with the injuries and suspensions they’re playing the Ducks tomorrow

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        I’m afraid it’s just going to force them to play their top guys more minutes, which is probably a good thing for them.

        • Jack says:
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          Their top guy is Justice. He’s raw enough to not be spoiled by Sendek’s coaching. And he’s really creative. And… he’s a good shot.

          I would miss him if he were on my team.

          • Jack says:
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            Should say top guard. He would be their #3 threat behind Gilling and Goodman due to his versatility and creativity. McKissic and Jacobson are the glue guys.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          just means they have a shorter bench. Also of note ASU is 17-2 in their past 19 home games. Care to guess who those 2 losses are to???? Without looking it up???

          I’m guessing Arizona is one. Utah the other. Now I’ll go look it up

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            well I was half right. The other was actually kind of shocking

          • GoBeavs90 says:
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            Yup, Lehigh. ASU was playing like absolute garbage at the time. That 17-2 mark is about to be 17-3 though.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            right on! I hope so

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      I think with the injury and suspension ASU is losing at 10ppg scoring. None of the 3 were solid points contributors

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      Wasn’t it against ASU that half of OSU’s team was suspended in the CR era and Roberto had to shoot the ball 30 times? Turnabout is fair play!

      • Jack says:
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        That was probably the downturn for CR… that and all the players snubbing Jahii when he visited.

        The inherited players really fucked OSU hoops for at least another four years.

  • Jack says:
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    Good:
    https://twitter.com/coachbrennan/status/560174383667216384

    Better:
    https://twitter.com/OSU_BeaverDam/status/560145641452490752

    Think of how good a prez Lincoln would have been if he just had an airport.

    • helmsley says:
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      Any long-term cost analysis for OSU having its own small plane for what seem to be a lot of recruiting trips vs. charters?

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        I’m sure theses are donated uses of booster planes. Very common.

      • Jack says:
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        It’s more cost effective to charter. Leave the ownership to a fleet service, and they can maintain and hangar their birds as any larger operation would do, bulk discounts, service discounts, depreciation write-offs, etc.

        If we were a business with those tax write-offs, we might fly enough hours to justify ownership. But it’s my understanding that the costs are much less up front, especially for a contract which stays nowhere for more than a couple hours and returns home in the end.

    • Numbers says:
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      Need at least 300 hours annually to cover the fixed costs with the lower marginal costs. 500 is better. And thats for one airplane at a time. Sending multiple out in different directions, i think charter is the way to go here.

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Sheldrick Redwine decommitted from Louisville. Anyone know who he recently visited and if our coaching staff is still on him? Electric Eye? Bueller? Bueller?

  • helmsley says:
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    I recently learned more about OSU’s club sports – I thought they were like intramurals – but no. The teams wear OSU uniforms – rugby, for instance (women’s rugby – who knew??), compete with other schools and travel afar representing OSU. Lacrosse, too, to name a couple.

    I realize that’s nothing new to you alums – but I intend to put it on my list of things to go to when I’m next in Corvallis. I think it’s y’know -neat.

    • homefry homefry says:
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      and we even earned letters! Got my “O” somewhere in the house.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Probably got your “O” in the bedroom, unless you like to spice it up on the kitchen table!

  • mckalk says:
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    It’s kind of interesting that the Portland Tribune hasn’t given the Beavs success story one word (that I could find) so far this season. Seems like Eggers covered CR quite a bit. I guess he hasn’t developed any relationship with WT so far? I like Eggers attention to detail.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Go Gentleman Beavs!

  • angry angry says:
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    Sounds like Mifi Hunt will be a Beaver, but 2 year mission..ugh.

    • scotty says:
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      2 extra years to beef up! Think BYU

    • Electric Eye says:
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      Nice! I don’t mind the mission guys. Hunt and Katoa seem like 2 kids who would still come to OSU when the mission is done.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        Would be nice to add Folau to that list too. Hopefully all of those guys sign, but we could see half of our class take off on missions and then never come back. This Utah pipeline seems like a risky route.

        Saw that Folau and Simmons are slated to visit this weekend, and Hunt is there today. Know of any other final visitors for this weekend?

        • Electric Eye says:
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          Is Folau a mission guy? I actually like OSU’s chances with him.

          Only other guy I’d heard of visiting was Deltron Sands. If the staff doesn’t bring in more than 4-5, then they must feel pretty comfortable and/or confident with the recruits who have already visited.

      • Numbers says:
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        Those two years are a crapshoot too. Some end up fat, some end up skinny, how many actually end up better athletes after two years away?

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Hunt would be a good get. Has several good offers. What’s your source? Or is this what you’re inferring?

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Don’t know about going on mission. A couple years back there was and extended discussion (on another message board) about guys coming back from mission way out of shape and at least some of them had lost the fire required to be good at football.

    The other thing I’m concerned about is the “D” needs help now, not 2 years from now.

    • angry angry says:
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      Exactly. Mission is definitely a (net) negative. In terms of football.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      So one Riley guy ends up at Western Kentucky (Faaiu), another at New Mexico (Hott) and another at Hawaii (Matautia). Not exactly steps up. Thought Riley was an excellent talent evaluator? Surprised no other Pac-12 teams tried to snag these guys.

      • Beav11 says:
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        Meanwhile, Harbaugh is trying to flip Snyder from Nebraska…

      • angry angry says:
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        GA tried to keep Hott, from what I heard. Weird he’d leave. I never even looked at his film, so I’m not sure if this is a big loss.

        • mexibeav mexibeav says:
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          I looked at his film and wasn’t impressed at all. Pretty sure he was a project OL for Riley & Co. 2* sounds about right. Also, GA was trying to minimize the OL we have on scholarships.

      • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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        I thought Tavita Faaiu was GA’s first commit. Not a Riley guy.

        Also seems obvious Riley recruited the guys he thought had talent from his OSU class to Nebraska. The other guys were his “low hanging fruit” type guys.

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          You’re right about Faaiu. forgot he was GA’s first commit.

          Read somewhere (blitz maybe?) that GA was asking Hott to greyshirt?

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Surprised Harbaugh didn’t make a play for any of them.

  • Gobeavs82 says:
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    2015 Recruiting Tracker is updated –

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/4hc13528owoofli/2015%20FB%20Recruitment%20Tracker.xlsx?dl=0

    it opens up as a spreadsheet viewer on chrome. How’s is working for others?

  • Jack says:
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    Am I reading the line correctly?

    ASU -7 and 116.5 o/u?

  • Jack says:
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    When Riley was here, we would see whole articles like this which somehow forgot to even mention OSU.
    http://pac-12.com/article/2015/01/28/roundup-oregon-state-wayne-tinkle-utah-larry-krystkowiak-running-coach-year-honors

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    EWU’s Vernon Adams is visiting Oregon this week. Their QB situation must not be very good next year if they’re bringing in a 1 year guy to plug the hole.

    • angry angry says:
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      Weren’t they on the cusp of poaching a 5-star from Texas AM?

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Those bastages have already gotten a 2016 commit from a four star QB from one of the burbs here.

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        • Jack says:
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          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            Movie still holds up after all these years. Joe Piscopo’s finest work….

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            “it’s an .88 magnum. It shoots thru schools.” Oh man I haven’t seen that movie in years. I may have to see if it’s on netflix after the game tonight

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Deltron Sands is visiting this weekend. Funny, I talked about this guy about a month ago when he was first getting contact form Telly Lockette. Small but speedy 2* running back with some decent offers. Doesn’t seem like a position of need with Thomas Taylor essentially being the same player. The big positive though is he plays for a powerhouse in the state of Florida, St Thomas Aquina. Lots of talent at that school so would be good to have connections there for future classes.

    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1407038/highlights/217116388

    http://sports.yahoo.com/maryland/football/recruiting/player-Deltron-Sands-155536

  • calibeav says:
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    Being the huge Heiroglyphics fan that I am I’m not sure I would be able to contain my excitement if we have a dude named Deltron on the squad!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMjuxbYW2KM

    Plus you can never have too much speed.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      Heard it was between OSU and the Handsome Boy Modeling School for him. crossing fingers

    • Jack says:
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      I thought Deltron was an electronic parts manufacturer.

  • Bill says:
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    One of the things I noticed about the guys coming in next year is that they have had a lot of team success in high school. Tinkle, Thompson, and Bruce have led their teams to state tournaments. With Thompson winning it all last year. Tinkle lost in the finals.

    That’s something the Rueck brought in with his recruits. Not only good players but they played on good teams in HS. Makes me less worried about egos since these guys know what it takes to win titles and that’s team play.

    • Jack says:
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      Mattison probably told him they would have to gain an academic board waiver for the kid since his numbers across the board wouldn’t get him into school. Too bad he had to freak out about that. But the coach has to be honest this close to signing day. What if it took two weeks for their regents to NOT clear the kid, NSD passes and all the slots for schools he would have gone to are filled?

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        In total agreement with you on this. Coaches just don’t show up unannounced to recruits homes for in-home visits. Dad and kid just didn’t hear what they wanted to hear, now they’re “ALL IN” for Nebraska.

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    Something I found interesting about the Faaiu situation. I read an article shortly after he committed to OSU about his wanting to stay out west and in the PAC-12. Either he wasn’t going to have the grades to get in, or something else happened. Because WKU isn’t “out west” or in the PAC-12.

    I think the OSU coaches are clearing space where they need to get kids they like better into the 2015 class. Jimenez was not only a commit, but a fan of just about everything of the school. In the last two weeks Jimenez, a non-LDS kid btw, just happens to develop an overwhelming urge to attend BYU? Doubtful.

  • scotty says:
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    Are we officially in panic mode now?

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Saw that David Moore has now been offered by Illinois. But what caught my eye is those new illinois uniforms. they look familiar….

    https://twitter.com/David_Moore5/status/560540242508537856/photo/1

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Paul Lucas, looking to pay someone to help him with an online class. Not a good sign. (the icons that don’t show up here are of little stacks of money with wings)

    Pablo ?@plucas3221 7m7 minutes ago
    Looking for someone to help me with an online class ????????

    • scotty says:
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      Where’s Tosh Lupoi when you need him?

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Paging Peko.

    • Electric Eye says:
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      That is pretty interesting. It’s a long way out from end of school for him. ASU goes on semesters, right? Wonder if he’s trying to get eligible to get into OSU during spring quarter. One advantage of quarters over semesters.

  • scotty says:
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    ASU’s stadium is empty!

  • angry angry says:
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    I change my mind. Beavs are going to win. ASU has zero fans.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    The zone is looking awfully shaky again. Need to just play straight up man to man.

  • scotty says:
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    This is pretty sad tonight… Is there a 3 the devils can’t make now?

  • mckalk says:
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    I hate those stupid “I Love Logistics” commercials from UPS. If signing up for a shipping company is the “Gunderman Groups” major decision, then they are in a shitload of trouble.

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      Especially since they don’t work, choosing to spend all their time in a parking garage verbally circle-jerking about UPS

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        In the real world companies use all of the different shippers depending on their needs and this idiot comes to the meeting like she’s discovered a life changing business decision.

        • Jack says:
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          Except for freight. UPS and FedEx pricing on variable shipping schedules absolutely suck. If you have room to park one of their trailers, consistent outflow and static pick-up schedules… they come close, and are better than term to term shippers at getting product to the end user… if it’s small freight.

          Question: Back in 2007 and 2008 when shippers tacked on a fuel surcharge, we accepted it and the subsequent price adjustments afterward. Now that fuel is low, shouldn’t we be getting a rebate followed by a downward adjustment?

  • angry angry says:
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    This game is going to be over first half. Beavs aren’t built for comebacks.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    ASU is going to regress to the mean, but they’ll win this game if LMW doesn’t give the Beavers anything. He’s been invisible the last couple games. Payton looks really good offensively tonight and Duvivier is playing okay. That’s it

  • angry angry says:
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    This telecaster loves ASU and hates the Beavs. Shocker

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      I doubt Montgomery hates either team. He’s just stating the obvious. All he really said was the Beavers don’t really have any 1 on 1 guys which is true

  • mckalk says:
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    Not playing according to Wayne’s plan tonight.

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    This isn’t inspiring tonight 🙁

    Uninspired effort was supposed to be saved for Arizona, not Arizona State

  • Dansen says:
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    ASU cooling off a bit, but OSU can only muster to match them miss for miss.

  • mckalk says:
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    Wasn’t Montgomery the one who laughed when a reporter asked him if he was interested in the OSU job after Jay John was fired?

    • angry angry says:
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      He clearly hates OSU. GoBeav90 just likes to argue with everything I write.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      pretty much. Monty said he had zero interest in the OSU job and he was not coaching anywhere at the time. Also recall his wife HATES the rain and pacific northwest weather. Which since she has the pussy probably made up his mind

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    Wow. This is going to get ugly. Tinkle has two walk-ons in.

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    LMW is bricking everything and I think they’ve missed 4 or 5 from point blank tonight. I guess we will see what they are made of.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    The enornemity of the situation is getting to them

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Other than GP II, no one else is contributing much tonight

    • Dansen says:
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      Payton seems to be the only one relatively not affected by not playing at home.

  • mckalk says:
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    At some point not having Victor Robbins is going to come in to play. He was averaging over 19 points per 40 minutes of play.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    This is the level of play that I was expecting from the players that were left from last year.

    • mckalk says:
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      It’s tough to watch, but if this form holds it will be the first blow out defeat in 20 games. I don’t think any of us expected that from this team.

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    Game sucks…but those damn Wendy’s “Asiago” commercials make me want to walk in to a Wendy’s and punch some poor employee.

    • mckalk says:
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      The “Gunderman Group” can visit Wendy’s for Asiago Chicken and hopefully someone beats the shit out of all them and puts us out of our annoying commericials misery.

      • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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        Don’t forget. According to Jack’s logic Wendy’s is “telling” us to extemely dislike their annoying ad. Marketing genius, not to mention Jack’s obvious genius. JB

        • Jack says:
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          I don’t remember that conversation.

          But their commercials have you wanting to walk into one of their stores. I’d say it’s working.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        The Gunderman group needs to whack Jake from state farm and his bitch wife. Then Flo from Progressive. And finish it by burning every state farm and progressive office to the ground

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          Don’t forgot that after the Gunderman Group does all that, they need to commit mass suicide.

    • angry angry says:
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      That Asiago girl is pretty cute, though.

      • scotty says:
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        Why does everyone like her so much?! I just can’t see it

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          the redhead? She’s hot as fuck!

          • scotty says:
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            Not you too!

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            I can imagine myself in a three way with the wendy’s redhead and Lily from AT&T. But that’s as far as it goes since I’m spoken for. And old. And I know what it feels like to disappoint one woman so I don’t need to know what it feels like to disappoint two

          • angry angry says:
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            Whilst eating a burger and filming it on your phone?

          • angry angry says:
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            I agree, though, Lily is a cutie, even without the makeup. Time to cue up some:

          • Beavis 24 says:
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            She’s a 4 at best, dude. Besides, redheads have stinky pussies.

          • angry angry says:
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            In that commercial she looks better. Must be the makeup and sheer joy she gets from that burger.

        • angry angry says:
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          Probably because she looks like she’s having an orgasm when she’s eating that burger. Plus she’s pretty cute. Just a guess it has something to do with both of those…

  • Electric Eye says:
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    Beavblazer (or anybody)- can you do me a favor and find Sleeper Athletes on twitter, and send them a tweet that says something like…”Where is Adrienne Talan committed?” I should just start an account, but if you could do that it would be appreciated. Thanks.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    at least we’re not Texas Tech. Oklahoma leads them 66-27 in the 2nd half. Yikes

    • mckalk says:
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      Tech just beat Top 10 Iowa St. at home in their last game. Some teams just go to complete shit on the road.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Tubby time.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        Umm, Texas Tech may have beaten Iowa St but they blow. That is their only conference win. Now 1-7. Lost 81-36 at OU tonight. Like I said, at least we’re not Texas Tech

  • CraigBeav says:
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    Dream on little chicken.

  • angry angry says:
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    Bo Barnes has date rape face.

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    Every time you think Gomis has an easy basket he somehow turns it into something else.

  • scotty says:
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    Man, that upset of Arizona coming Friday will be SUPER MEGA EPIC now!

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Nice brick

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    Oregon State is not a very good road team yet. Tinkle & Crew need to better overcome this and get the team playing with more confidence on the road. Team will have a very tough time making the NCAA now and have to keep winning at home for NIT. Defense dipping some this game is what needs to turn around first.

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      Lead feet… no confidence… almost zero experience on the road.

      Not very good is an overstatement.

      Break out the trap!

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    you know it’s not your night when an ASU player passes up an open 3, drives to the basket, travels, takes a piss poor shot with 2 seconds on the shot clock and the refs bail him out by calling a foul on OSU

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    For some reason I’m craving a chicken sandwich.

  • mckalk says:
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    I think LMW and Schaft have no points.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    This looks like a CR special minus the really bad shot selection.

  • mckalk says:
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    How was Payton not fouled on that drive?

  • Beavlover69 says:
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    http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2322488-the-best-football-prospect-nobodys-ever-heard-of?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national?is_shared=true

    Does anyone know what the deal is with this guy? Seth Collins is better than him? Am I missing something? Someone with recruiting knowledge please make sense of this for me!

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Payton II and Duvivier need some help. Other than those two, rest of the team has brought nothing tonight

  • Wrigg3 says:
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    You know… I’m not one to really complain buy these refs… It’s like they want the Sun Devils to win…

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      They’re atrocious

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      welcome to college basketball. where you don’t get those calls on the road unless you happen to have Duke, Arizona, Kansas, etc across the front of your jersey. I do agree though

    • Jack says:
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      Might as well have crappy refs for a game where we never show up. They’re more upsetting when a game is close or when we play lights out but can’t get separation because of calls.

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    I’m disappointed because good defense should be a constant. They hung in there on the road against UW and defeated Wazzu. This was over after 8 minutes, but it’s going to happen.

    Look at what the Beavs did to DePaul at home. That’s just not going to happen if the Beavs are playing in Chicago. Like many have said, there are few good road teams in college hoops.

  • MB says:
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    I know that I am not very smart. But how could guys get so far ahead of the story to plan final four tickets and such with all the dang NCAA and NIT talk? Everyone wants to be first. Hence twitter. Do we assume that other teams never learn or get better? Do we just assume the other guys act like the Washington Generals and fall for the same tricks every night? The season was always going to have ups and downs. Take it one day at a time. Get up off the canvas. It is still better than it should have been. And quit freakin projecting! Shouda couda wouda.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      no one said book tickets to the final four. It’s one game. Anyone with a brain knew it was going to happen at some point when the margin for error is as small as it is with these guys. Still plenty of winnable games on the schedule ahead. No one said they’re going to win them all. Sleep it off, forget about this one and get ready for Arizona on Friday night boys

    • helmsley says:
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      “and quit freakin projecting!” Thank you.

  • Quatre Quatre says:
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    The problem is the win at WSU suddenly made everyone think this team was going to win on the road. I’ve been saying it since the beginning of the Pac-12 slate, this team shouldn’t win on the road and any time it does is an outlier.

  • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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    Bill Walton calling the Zona game. Time to change the channel. Idk which one is worse. Walton or Vitale

    • OSU97 says:
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      Vitale gets my vote.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        IDK, it’s a toss up for me. Walton just comes off as a blathering idiot and Vitale comes off as a blathering idiot with his nose in Mike Krzyzewski’s b hole

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    Kinda surprised. Maybe too early for expectations, but I thought we were past shellackings like tonight. I felt like we’ve been overachieving due to the better coaching but getting boat-raced by a lower tier also ran like ASU shows we still have some holes to fill.

    Oh well, still got plenty of chances for wins this year starting with AZ!

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      I don’t think ASU is an also ran. They are coming off a 21 win season, finished 3rd last year and made the NCAA tournament. They are a middle of the road team this season. Good at home, mediocre on the road. They are better than their 3-5 conference record. 3 of their 5 losses are to the 3 best teams in the conference. Arizona, Utah and Stanford.

  • thatguy says:
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    Expected some games like this. Teams are comfortable at home, they have their fans going, and ASU was hungry and firing on all cylinders. Am I disappointed? Sure, but not really sad. There’s plenty of chances for this team to win some more games. We need depth and consistency. Didn’t have either tonight.

    Just keep playing men. Keep playing and keep improving. I still believe in this team.

    • angry angry says:
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      I don’t think anyone is bailing on the team or what a good season it has been so far.

      It’s always tough to win on the road. It’s why I penciled this as a loss, and probably why Vegas had the Beavs +7. Every game is different. AZ went to OSU and got beaten…winning on the road is hard. They will lose to Arizona and be 14-7 heading into an important final stretch. Good news is Robbins will be right around the corner once they return home.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        Robbins is eligible to return for the Utah game. 5 more games without him. @ Zona, WSU and UW, then at USC and UCLA. I would imagine the Beavs will be favored in both home games and they are both very winnable.

      • helmsley says:
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        You are more optimistic than I am. I think the short rotation is wearing, opposing coaches and teams are paying more attention and I see only a win against Cal. I haven’t liked the early season hype – except agree that GP2 is a terrific player and Olaf has improved.

        I only hope wbb continues on its merry way – Stanford game will be interesting.

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          I think they have realistic chance of finishing out 4-6, maybe 3-7 and end up on the NIT bubble. I don’t think they beat Utah at home, but they could get Cal on the road. UW at home is not a given because I’m not sure they can take full advantage of the Huskies not having Upshaw unless Jarmal steps up and has a big game. I’m hoping for more, but looking at wins being Wazzu, UW, Cal and Oregon.

  • Dansen says:
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    When you get essentially nothing from Olaf, Morris-Walker, and Gomis, this is the expected result. Mostly though, I was very disappointed with the defense. Left ASU players wide open most of the game.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      you get essentially nothing from Gomis offensively every game.

      • Dansen says:
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        True. I meant more on the defensive end in regards to Gomis. I should have been more clear on that.

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          It does highlight the necessity of having a post up big man who is a real and consistent threat to score. I saw a couple plays tonight where Gomis had nice inside position and Payton just ignored him.

          Gomis may end up as a limited minutes banger next year if the Euro Freshmen is skilled enough to compete in the P-12. Jarmal is nice option in the post also, but he does not have Gomis length on the defensive end. Maybe you do offense/defense with Gomis and Jarmal with 10 fouls between the two of them next year. Tinkle should have a lot of options next season.

  • scotty says:
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    Why is it THAT much harder to win on the road? And should it really be?

    • thatguy says:
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      The home team is rested, their fans are egging them on, egging on the referees to make calls that slight their own teams’ way, and when you have 6-10000 people reinforcing your behavior negatively, that affects your game. When you’re at home, that group of 10000 is positively reinforcing you. Plus your body is in its normal routine so performing on game day is a bit easier.

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        And this is the part that bothers me: “egging on the referees to make calls that slight their own teams’ way”

        Why does everyone just accept homer reffing?

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Arizona just forcefully bent the ducks over and gave them tip, shaft and balls. 90-56 final. I have a bad feeling Friday night is not going to be good for the beavs

    • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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      Much like those former Duck basketball players…

    • mckalk says:
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      Whiskey, do you earn a living writing scripts for porn movies?

      • scotty says:
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        He had to give up on his dream of starring in them due to a chronic case of whiskey-napkin

  • mckalk says:
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    I kind of look at it this way….if Tinkle can just get 4 more conference wins out of the schedule, he will have achieved something CR could not do in six seasons….a .500 record in league play.

  • NorCalBeaver NorCalBeaver says:
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    I blame myself…superstitious. First game I watched this year. I’m sorry.

    • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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      Phew…I thought it was me…donated a $125 to my Nigerian off shore betting account. Figured we’d cover the +7 no problem!

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Tuesday I dropped and cracked my retro Benny plastic travel coffee mug. Assumed it was me.

    • mckalk says:
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      I thought it was me, I invested 1k in Gunderman Group stock and just realized they don’t exist.

    • Jack says:
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      I apologize for all these BIRGing fans.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    “Asiago, …….stop.”
    For those having chicken withdrawal from last night.
    Wendy’s Asiago Chicken Commercial: “Wish Upon a Sandwich …
    ? 0:35? 0:35
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKiNe-L5hfs
    Feb 17, 2014 – Uploaded by ThePreviews842
    Wendy’s Asiago Chicken Commercial: “Wish Upon a Sandwich” … Asiago, stop!? … Wendy’s …

    • scotty says:
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      I’d rather be taking minutes at a Gunderman Group garage meeting while Larry Culpepper serves me Dr. Peppers than watch that commercial again

      • mckalk says:
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        That is a bad commercial, but I don’t think Wendy’s ever recovered from “Where’s the Beef”.

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          If you did a shot for every time they play that during a game, you could die of alcohol poisoning.

  • CraigBeav says:
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    Though we’re collectively being terrorized by the commercials on the Pac-12 network, none ofthem have pissed me off so badly as the WatchESPN commercial for the Amazon Firephone. It’s the Wolverine mother fuckers!

  • ObjCritic says:
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    EWUs Vernon Adams to visit UO. Too funny.

    Low confidence in on-roster options?

    • scotty says:
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      No more Chipster to pay shady recruiters

      • CraigBeav says:
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        Meh, shady. The only rule Willie Lyles broke is the one that says only white people are allowed to profit from college football. I’m one to shit on the ducks as much as possible, but even so, that entire thing was BS.

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          Rules are rules

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            here’s what inquiring minds want to know. How in the fuck does LaMichael Jackson become a freshman academic all american in his FIRST term at UO when he couldn’t even pass a Texas state HS math equivalency exam. So Willie moves him to a relative in a different state so he doesn’t have to take said exam. Explain that one to me

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            Just read the police report!

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Beav coaches trying to establish an identity……before week 10 of the season??? This must have been a printing error.

    https://twitter.com/ginamizell/status/560857818761154560

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      Wtf?

      Isn’t that sign, or a variation thereof, posted in every locker room everywhere? We’re the previous coaches’ expectations so low they couldn’t set these basic goals?

      • angry angry says:
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        Riley? Goals?

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          Riley’s had :
          Horde time outs
          Limit false starts to ten per game
          Run five yard crossing routes on third and fifteen
          Stay away from the sheep pens
          And
          KNOCK UP SOMEBODY ELSES DAUGHTER

      • angry angry says:
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        Riley’s goal:

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          Can our new nickname for Riley be paperboy? I was playing it last night and couldn’t stop laughing thinking the guy’s posture looked a lot like Riley’s. I could see him retiring, getting dementia, and delivering papers around Corvallis. Missing the mailbox, throwing the paper through someone’s window, chased by a dog, public complaints filed against him…finally putting the Oregonian subscription list out of business. lolol

        • scotty says:
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          Riley didn’t coach that paperboy – dude’s got wheels and none of the papers got intercepted

          • Jack says:
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            Riley’s offense always looks good in training. That’s because he goes up against Banker and his iMaginO Line.

    • scotty says:
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      Good values, but how about “Treat *people* with respect”?

      • CraigBeav says:
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        Agreed, the way that’s couched is very strange. I get that we’re dealing with mostly dumb teenagers here, but I feel like you start the conversation from a negative position when half your core values are: 1) Don’t do illegal shit, 2) Be nice to women. Specifying those as core value implies that not breaking the law and and not beating up women isn’t the default state of affairs but rather are things to aspire to. The top four values there might as well be summarized up to one big overarching one: Don’t be a scumbag.

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          sounds like you’re confusing values with goals.these arent aspirations, theyre expectations

          • CraigBeav says:
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            Fair enough, and I do see the difference. It still just feels like the expectation should be to go above and beyond the call of duty. To be more respectful than the average person. To be more conscious of one’s actions than might otherwise be the case. Even for expectations, as opposed to aspirations, the bar is being set pretty damn low there with values 2, 3, and 4.

          • CraigBeav says:
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            If those are the bar we’re shooting for around here, lets add a few more to the list:

            No murdering.
            No assaulting.
            No evading taxes.
            No bribing.
            Call your gramma often.

            Are these really what the program’s core values should be? Anyone that needs to be actively reminded not to steal shit doesn’t belong at OSU in the first place.

          • Jack says:
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            With religious types come conservatism. The first four are probably good ideas as well.

          • Jack says:
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            The basic goals are the second placard.

      • Jack says:
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        Remember that most people in college football are religious. That brings with it a patriarchal attitude. And even those who post things like this in order to combat that ingrained thought, are responding to, and usually coming from within, that culture

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        at least they didn’t go with “Respect bitches”

        • scotty says:
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          Sun Devils have Fear the Fork. We can have Respect the Beaver!

          • Jack says:
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            SInce ASU calls a trident a fork, we can always call our beaver a weasel. So instead of Respect the Beaver, we have free license to go with Watch the Weasel.

          • scotty says:
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            I do watch him on Pac 12 network during football season 🙂

            jk I like neuheisel

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            Or combine them to Fork the Beaver?

        • CraigBeav says:
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          I read that with Dave Chappelle’s voice.

  • progressivebeav progressivebeav says:
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    Mannion on ESPN tomorrow night:
    http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=209868430

  • Friend of a friend says:
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    FYI- A friend of a friend who knows a guy told me that Logan Tago is sticking with WSU

  • Friend of a friend says:
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    This recruiting cycle continues to blow. Even the “surprise” recruit they were talking about on blitz (but wouldn’t reveal to subscribers until after signing day) has turned out to be an afterthought who is likely not going to flip. The only silver lining with this class now is Paul Lucas is supposedly 50/50 between us and ASU. Yay? Sounds like more wishful thinking.
    The best player in this class (Fifita) is a Riley guy. I’m completely underwhelmed, especially with the lack of any news this week, other than a mission guy who will probably never bother coming to campus.

    • Jack says:
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      Don’t get so down. Blitz is way behind on this class. There are four or five kids nobody knows about ready to send in NLIs or leaning our way. And a couple will surprise us.

      • Jack says:
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        And… the recruiting cycle blew chunks before Riley up and made loyalty his primary lie. We had a couple kids who were good. We had a bunch of kids who were not. We had a sub-standard coach with a garbage staff convincing lazy people that losing was just fine.

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    Of the remaining targets, really only Folau looks promising. But that’s really it. Unless they are still in the hunt for Alston.

    Deltron Sands, 5’8″, 178 and only a 4.77 time?
    Markell Simmons – JC guy.
    Mufi Hunt – Is he really going to play bball too?

    • Jack says:
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      I will take Hunt in a heartbeat. That sapling is all trunk right now.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Folau looks promising, but he’ll go on a mission so you won’t see him.

    Simmons is interesting too, but I can’t get too excited about a JC guy unless I think the rest of the team is already solid and he’s just filling in for a weakness. Before you know it, he would be gone.

    Sands, doesn’t even have an offer yet. Has said he’ll commit if offered, but you’d think they would have offered him BEFORE coming to Corvallis if he was a top target. Seems like a Plan B or C guy.

    Hunt- hadn’t heard he wanted to play bball. That 2015 bball class would be huge if he and Togiai both walked on. Half the team would be freshman next year.

    • Bill says:
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      Looking at a few websites, I have no idea who is really committed anymore. I don’t feel the least bit of excitement over this recruiting cycle. Maybe I expected too much. I thought Andersen would be able to flip a top guy or two from Wisconsin. It’s been 1 guy and I think that’s going to be it. He said he’d pursue all the ones he thought were relationship based. So I guess the rest were really committed to the school and not him.

      • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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        Just saw a tweet from Kievonnis Davis saying he’s taking an official visit to Florida this weekend? Is this new, or was it already scheduled? I don’t like that sounds of that considering he’s from the state, and Florida is scrambling to put together a class, just like the Beavs. I’m afraid we’re going to lose him.

        • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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          Doesn’t currently hold an offer from Florida. Not feeling good about this one. Saw him a few days ago talking about how he really likes Corvallis, but his girlfriend wants him to play somewhere in florida.

          • angry angry says:
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            Why would Florida want a 2-star?!

            If they offer he’ll probably accept. Then get buried on the depth chart and never play a game there.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            Florida’s class is currently ranked lower than even the Beavs on Rivals. Only 10 guys all 3* and lower. Fucking Florida pipeline already cracking. Figures, why would guys want to play across the country in a town they’ve never heard of when there are plenty of in-state options?

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            I don’t know… there’s Florida, FSU, Miami and a bunch of smaller schools…if the choice were one of the former, maybe the same goes there over OSU, if its a choice of one of the latter or OSU (or any PAC school frankly) it should also be easy.

          • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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            has an offer too, according to this guy

            Corey Bender ?@Corey_Bender 2m2 minutes ago
            #OregonState commit & Miami Central DE Keivonnis Davis tells me #Florida offered. Here’s more on his official visit: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=168&f=3600&t=13615332

          • Jack says:
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            Well… we know he likes orange.

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