08.Feb.2015 Victor Robbins

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I’m curious to hear what people think the penalty should be. This is what I wrote in the basketball thread:

Despite the scoring, he has to be kicked off the team. WT’s first tough decision. Let’s see what he does. As a fan I’d like to see Robbins stick on the team, but I don’t see how you can do that as a coach and not imply there are different rules for different players and/or basketball players are above the law.

I think he has to go. And the positives are the Beavs have already exceed expectations (icing on the cake here on out), are playing well without him, and have a great class coming in, so they won’t need him next year. I think the signing of Noah Toaigi under a football scholarship makes him more dispensable, too. Tinkle basically gets Noah as a walk-on.

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  • scotty says:
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    I don’t know the exact situation, other than he was arrested for DWI? Arrested doesn’t mean guilty, though for DWI it’s very likely. If the evidence is strong, I say cut him loose already. Otherwise, due process and all that.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      according to the article I won’t link he consented to a field sobriety test and failed. Also blew a .13. I’d say he’s pretty well fucked. At first I was all for kicking him to the curb. IMO, let him stay on the team but he is indefinitely suspended and needs to get into treatment or help for whatever the hell he’s doing. He’s not only fucking over the team, he’s pissing away his life. Dude doesn’t understand the golden opportunity that he is pissing away. This is his third incident in just over a year.

  • G Joubert says:
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    Or suspend him for the rest of the year, to be reevaluated again in the fall, all depending on how he does between now and then. How about that?

  • presleydog says:
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    Dude was already suspended twice. I don’t know what you have to do to get hit with a ten game suspension but I doubt it was showing up late for practice. Whether he sits for the remainder or gets booted I suppose depend on what the two previous issues were but really they should cut him loose.

  • FatDog says:
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    I posted this to the game thread. Others responded there.

    Robbins should be suspended indefinitely (it would look really bad to bring him back this season–something the UO would do/does. But I believe in redemption. If he cleans up, is a good student, changes, then maybe he has a place on the team. If he is kicked off, he could start a spiral and may end up in jail forever. Rehab time.

    If Robbins is not a fucked up violent person (like assault and sexual assault), then it is an opportunity for Tinkle to help. Nothing better than being part of a group to help with that.

  • thatguy says:
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    Like I said before, last year it was apparently for weed, the 10 game isn’t for substances from who I’ve talked to, and this time is a DUII. So three different offenses, but the kicker to me is that one of those is nested into another since he couldn’t even behave during the season WHILE suspended, and he put others’ lives in danger, all the while being underage still.

    He has to at the bare minimum be suspended for the rest of the year, and show progress off the court both in passing classes and not engaging in these activities that get him in trouble. Essentially he’d be on probation until 2015-16 basketball season.

    He’s really let his team down, and they probably win a game or two more with him in the lineup plus one more going forward. Like the first game against UDub we needed another scorer, and also Arizona State his style matched up better when we were struggling.

    It’s just so foolish that he’s pissing away his chances to do something great. He’s got immense talent, likely a future pro overseas, and this was his big shot to show his worth when we have guys like Togiai, Thompson, Tinkle, Eubanks, Rakocevic, Bruce all coming in wanting minutes. Jarmal has stepped up, Cheikh had a good game filling in today, Vic is really not doing what he needs to be doing.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Third offense, with apparently the first two also with drugs, so he’s done.

    • scotty says:
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      And so, one week before baseball even starts, the first beaver to strike out this year is Robbins 🙁

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    Suspend him from the team until the end of the season. Then, if he improves his behavior and conduct, maybe he can be let back on. If he doesn’t improve, keep him off the team.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    It was reported that Robbins was participating in practices during his 10 game suspension; brings up the question going forward if he is not kicked off the team.
    Three strikes is bad enough, and exacerbated by, as “thatguy” said, the fact that the last two were “nested”.
    Tinkle has a lot on his plate and a difficult decision to make. If he tries to re-hab this guy it might help if he was allowed to continue practicing. At a minimum, no more playing time this year and a very short leash. If Tinkle’s judgement is that he has become a distraction then being kicked completely off the team seems justifiable.

    A big part of the question is just how much does a HC owe someone with this track record.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Beavs up to 68th in RPI

    http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/rpi

    Also a shout out to the ladies team. 11-1 and all alone in first place. 3 of the last 4 home games have significant importance as they are against ASU (10-2), Cal (10-2) and Stanford (9-3). Win 2 of those and they should be Pac-12 champs. They should have no problems on the last road trip. Utah and Colorado are awful.

  • Bill says:
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    Oh what a little googling can do…

    OSU Athletes handbook that has the code of conduct written out, page 45 details the discipline levels.

    http://www.osubeavers.com/pdf9/2590185.pdf

    Looks like it’s an indefinite suspension and dismissal if he’s convicted.

    • mckalk says:
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      Was there some detail in the handbook about offenses in multiple “categories”? I’m assuming this is his first DUI or we would have heard something. If the discipline guidelines are followed to the letter it sounds like his first two offenses were maybe for MIP’s…..minimum one game suspension and then a 30% suspension. I guess I’m asking if it’s 3 strikes total or 3 strikes in one category? Can you have a DUI without a MIP?

      I hope he get’s help, but also it’s interesting that he had no issues his Sophomore season or else maybe he just didn’t get caught. I’m kind of on the fence about kicking him off or seeing if he can work his way back next year.

      • Bill says:
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        I’m assuming it’s three strikes overall. I don’t feel like he should be dismissed but he did have chances and he wasted them all.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    The other aspect is setting the culture and expectations. Usually the first offender in a new coaching regime gets more severe punishment to set an example. Since this is his third time, he will be a goner.

  • beavergrad says:
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    he’s wasting a scholarship. He should be dismissed from the team and allowed to get back in the pool with everyone else trying to get a bball scholarship. Tinkle will do the right thing and we are winning without him. Time to reiterate the standard and show other players and potential players that you are gonna do it the right way at Oregon State or you are gonna find another program.

  • mckalk says:
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    I’d play him against the Ducks and then kick him off the team! Altman would understand.

  • Bill says:
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    I think he’s done. If this is the code he signed up for, the athletic dept should follow through. Not sure that Tinkle has much say in the process.

    • Jack says:
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      This could be true. There might be a little leeway since it’s the second incident under Tinkle, not the third. But it’s hard to tell other athletes they can slide when, if for any reason, we let Robbins slide.

      On the one hand, I’d like to let Tinkle have a chance to save the kid, as would be his prerogative as the new coach. On the other, he signed up for and broke the rules in place.

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    I can confirm that Riley was in Corvallis over the weekend. We saw him at Block 15 Sunday evening. Maybe he has had second thoughts and wants his old job back?

    The only other reasons for him to be back in town would be:

    1.) Help Rod Perry move to assisted living facility.
    2.) Give BDC a good-bye wedgie.
    3.) Retrieve a case of Juicy Fruit gum from his old office that the movers missed.
    4.) Attend grandchild Stevenson’s birthday party, punch his dad.
    5.) Stand grinning in the rain at Reser one last time.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      I think you can safely cross off #4, at least the part about punching his dad.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      They brew a bubble gun flavored beer?

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      6.) Drinking real beer before moving to a hellhole.

    • Jack says:
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      Is Block 15 that restaurant that’s just across the bridge whose name I can’t remember?

      Ftr… the food there is decent, not great. I like the Alpha. I was disappointed with the Nebulas. The place is a little crammed, as in tight quarters. But the service is always excellent. I only go there when requested by the other party.

      It’s possible I’m a creature of comfort though. I end up at Squirrel’s most often. So I know service isn’t my priority… since Julian gives me a ration of shit every time I sit down in front of him… going on 25 years now.

      I never asked, but do they sell that “SLOW” sign with the peacock on one side and the squirrel on the other? Those were the days… that and walking home down the RR tracks.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      he was here for his daughter’s birthday

    • cj cj says:
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      He owns 2 houses in Corvallis and his wife is still here most of the time. Could be that they are packing up stuff for the move. I was at Flat tail yesterday and it was confirmed he was there having dinner with his wife like it was posted here a few days ago.

  • CraigBeav says:
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    Oregon it is! First off, I want to thank God for this amazing opportunity. I want to thank all of… http://t.co/yMkAHNt1f2— Vernon Adams Jr. (@vadams_qb) February 9, 2015

    • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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      I wasn’t expecting to beat the Ducks until 2016 anyways…

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Now he can break his own record.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Interesting. Shows lack of confidence in the depth chart.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        He’s not the most durable guy either. Last year missed a month due to broken bones in his foot. Not as dangerous as Mariota on his feet either, which means he’ll likely be forced to pass more than Mariota did.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I thought so too. Kind of a step down from the Braxton Miller rumors several weeks ago as well.

        I imagine Andersen et al are confident and strategic enough to focus on what they can control and what they can do.

    • angry angry says:
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      Doesn’t he have to sit out a year?

      • helmsley says:
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        nope – it’s like the Russell Wilson/Wisconsin deal. Only thing that needs to be in place is VAjr enrolling in a graduate degree program at Oregon that isn’t available at EWU, and that shouldn’t be any problem.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          He will need new retinas after playing on the god awful red field at EWU and now having to look at the glow in the dark duck uni’s.

        • angry angry says:
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          Adams has completed his undergrad?

          I’m not too worried about this signing. I know he tore up the Beavs, but that guy looked awkward back there, especially throwing.

          • GoBeavs90 says:
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            Nowhere near as good as Mariota. He’ll be good for Oregon but doesn’t provide the same type of threat as Mariota. This isn’t a Russell Wilson-type transfer. Oregon will be pretty good next year but don’t see a top 5 caliber team for them.

          • mckalk says:
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            Duck fandom is going crazy…….already proclaiming that he’s good enough to lead them to a natty. We will see. I kind of see it as a chink in the armor, perfect Nikegon with their vaunted offense doesn’t have a system QB ready to go? What happened to next man up? Sucks to be Jeff Lockie.

    • scotty says:
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      I’m not scared. Banker’s gone.

    • Jack says:
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      Ummm… isn’t this just a case of “if the shoe fits?”

      Maybe he’s trying to irritate every politician in the history of mankind?

      • Jack says:
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        Of course, to make the shoe fit… the returning hero would need to see his adversary, whose deceiving mistress is a nun, die on the battlefield.

        So I’m pretty sure that is a very small sample.

  • whatever says:
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    For his own good, he needs a fresh start somewhere else.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    I think they should kick him off the team, but he can stay enrolled at the University if he completes Alcohol/Drug dependency classes in addition. If he wants to play somewhere else let him transfer. Doesn’t matter if we are winning games or not, he has hurt the program and himself.

    Its really unfortunate, he is going down a path many young men do, and it never ends well. I hope he can get help and learn from his experiences.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      He’ll probably end up playing for Altman at Oregon, and somehow get the one year transfer waiting period waved.

  • angry angry says:
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    OT, but raising the creepiness bar: http://theweek.com/speedreads/538379/samsung-warns-customers-discuss-personal-information-front-smart-tvs

    Bullish for vintage gear.

    • scotty says:
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      The sad part is that we’ve resigned ourselves to all this.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      note to self. Do not buy Samsung TV

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        If you have Comcast, that will dumb down the TV in no time.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          I have refused to do bidness with commiecast for almost 15 years and will NEVER do bidness with them again after the shit they tried to pull on me

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Concerning Robbins, according to the post above it looks like the handbook is clear. But more important as a coach do you want a distraction on the team. Third time is a charm, get rid of the distraction.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    interesting….

    Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) tweeted at 5:43 PM on Mon, Feb 09, 2015:
    Chuckie Keeton has been granted an extra year eligibility. Expect rumors of an Oregon State transfer to heat up soon.
    (https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/564962754973282304?s=03)

    Get the official Twitter app at https://twitter.com/download?s=13

    • angry angry says:
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      Would this be a Vernon Adams situation where he could play right away if enrolled in a Graduate program?

      I wonder why Oregon wouldn’t pursue Keeton over Adams…

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        maybe because it was unknown he’d get another year of eligibility until now? I am unsure if Keeton has completed his degree at USU. I tried doing some interwebs research but failed

        • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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          I thought I had read that Keeton has not finished his degree.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            then he cannot transfer without sitting out a year. But, if he graduates at the end of spring, then I believe he could transfer and be eligible immediately just as Russel Wilson. Something about a graduate program his current school does not offer. Honestly I think Keeton just stays at USU

          • Calibeav says:
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            Yea Utah State isnt EWU .. He could just say there and get almost the same exposure that he would at OSU

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            Utah state has 2 guys who played well as starters last year besides Keeton, as well as Damion Hobbs who redshirted last year after transferring from Oregon. They have some serious depth at Qb. cant find any info on Keeton’s graduation status, but being in school for 4 years would make him likely due to graduate this spring.
            Baldwin did say he sees a more athletic version of Keeton in Seth Collins. Why not have Keeton show him how the system works?

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            also, Keeton just fodllowed our @Beavrecruiting twitter account in the last hour 😉

      • Mb says:
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        When Keeton initially enrolled at USU, his proposed major was Aeronautical Engineering. I don’t know if he stayed with that major , but he is still a smart kid. He has had a very interesting career though he has had major injuries that will limit his ability to run in the future. However, running and option really are not his deal. He was not,is not,never was a true read option qb. He is a field general that makes few mistakes, and is able to take off and run when needed. When Turbin and Williams were at USU, they ran way more than Keeton. Oregon would seem to be a poor stylistic fit for Keeton.

        • mckalk says:
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          I keep reading over and over that Keeton is not scheduled to graduate until December. I don’t know why this Albright guy would spread rumors that just are not plausible unless Keeton has done something drastic with his academics and he’s not telling anyone! Maybe he’s taking a “reverse Peko” course and it endlessly gives him credits online.

  • Victor Robbins says:
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    Hey GUYS!

    Just wanted to thank u for this artcle bc I fwd ur responces to bdc about keeping me on. I appreciate it but feel it can represent how fans feel.

    Look y’all, I’m sorry. I could show y’all exactly what happened but long story I guess. Anyways just wanna get back in the “GOOD GRACES” and try to keep my scholarship.

    My mom still don’t know about the DUI thing so I’m hoping I don’t lose my scholarship 2. Besides this lawyer they got me is from Portland and really good with high profile DUI. Dude even got a church! The truth will come out.

    I ain’t leaving this team or nobody! I wanted to be on the bench last night but guess I can’t now!!

    I’ll learn my lessons the hard way and use this fuel! I always knew the lord would challendge me and I will keep fighting and praising Jesus, the one true judge of what is write and wrong!!!!

  • Calibeav says:
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    Or someone else

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    OFF TOPIC: Football recruiting budget study from USA Today:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/02/03/college-football-recruiting-signing-day-sec-power-conferences/22813887/

    Percent change ’09-’13 interesting; Beavs up 45%. UW up 184%

  • Jack says:
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    Whiskey!

    Back to the chat!

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      you must be bored if you want to talk to me

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    How did Tinkle prepare his guys for a short rotation? “Summer workouts under the new coaching staff included heavy doses of conditioning, particularly sprints that the players weren’t used to in previous years.”

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/basketball/osu-men-s-basketball-finding-time-for-rest-recovery/article_94ac2b25-8aaf-552b-a54b-53a01d33bc36.html

    Hmmmmm, wonder if FB will be saying the same thing this Fall.

    • angry angry says:
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      Of course. Andersen already said the players were in poor condition/weak.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        EXACTLY
        And, right on cue, Gina reports:
        http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/02/oregon_state_beavers_introduce_1.html

        Good stuff, and good quotes from Storm.

        Now, who has an empirical method for evaluating success at injury prevention vs the last “conditioning” regime?

        • angry angry says:
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          “The main thing we’re trying to accomplish is to set the standard for the Coach Andersen era,” Simon said. ” … What I told the guys is what we do, it’s like a house, and strength’s the foundation of that house. The foundation only needs to be so big, but it needs to be so strong, as well.

          ———

          Combine that with players saying they like GA more than Andersen…you can read between the lines. Riley a big softy. I bet his workout program was “do what you want” lol

        • angry angry says:
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          Wow, third player to bash Riley:

          In all, the workout takes about an hour and 10 minutes to complete. But the tempo within that time frame is what Woods, a senior running back, cites as the biggest difference between this winter program and the ones under Riley’s staff.

          “It’s rigorous,” Woods said. “It’s more like a cardio. We’re lifting heavy and lifting fast. With the runs, we’re competing. It’s way more competition with everything, as it should be … That’s how you get the best out of everybody, in my opinion.”

  • angry angry says:
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    I keep hearing OSU has the #9 ranked recruiting class in basketball. On what service? I see them around 18 on the 3 I looked at.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      I think some other schools may have gotten some late signings that changed. But at this point, who gives a rip. OSU has some horses coming. And these aren’t one and done kids either

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        A legit top 20 class. The success this year hopefully translates to a very good follow up class in 2016.

    • Jack says:
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      Service?

      Really?

    • Jack says:
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      Thankfully, in hoops they play it out.

    • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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      It was a top 10 class back in the summer. It’s not now that other teams have filled up their classes.

  • Jack says:
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    Yup…

  • calibeav says:
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    Jack OF ALL Your brilliant post that is the best one! Lol these guys are my favorite.. They get me

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    For all the hoops fans, BTN has a show called A Taste for Coaching with Seth Davis. It is with some very accomplished coaches sitting and eating in a group and discussing topics related to college hoops. Most of the guys have some tie in to the B1G, but not all. Last nights installment included Larry Brown. Highly recommended for CBB fans. One interesting thing is how virtually all say that the basic skill level for the players has gone down hill. I know that has discussed ad nauseum on this blog.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Regarding the Keeton rumors, this SBnation blogger has updated his story saying Keeton isn’t scheduled to graduate until December, although he still doesn’t sound very sure about that statement.
    http://www.mwcconnection.com/2015/2/10/8010419/could-chuckie-keeton-transfer-to-oregon-state#comments

    First, Keeton needs to graduate from Utah State to be able to freely transfer. As of now he is not scheduled to graduate until December, so unless something changes with an extra workload or changing to a different major a transfer likely can’t happen.

    MWCConnection.com
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    @AggieUp I just assumed in first draft since he is entering fifth year, but was initially wrong. Assuming is not good

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Dana Altman could get him eligible to transfer yesterday.

    • Numbers says:
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      Does he have to graduate from Utah State to freely transfer? Or can he graduate from anywhere, and then freely transfer. Because there are some for profit online schools that I’m sure could get him done in time.

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    In bracketology predictions, the women’s team is projected as a #2 seed. Beating ASU will go a long ways in securing a high seed. Likely a 2 or 3 seed and hosting the first two rounds.

    The men’s team is on the far end of the bubble.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    latest NIT projections has the Beavs as a #3 seed

    http://www.nycbuckets.com/2015/02/nit-bracketology-feb-8/

  • angry angry says:
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    Hearing Robbins won’t ever play again for Beavs..

    • Jack says:
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      I hear the same.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        where are you hearing this?

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          a voice in my head…

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          Beaver Banter on the O. Connor cites precedent with Tinkle at Montana, speculates that Robbins is done but that Tinkle MAY find a way to keep him involved without allowing playing time.

          According to Connor, Tinkle really didn’t find out till after the game. Mark M. saw on twitter and had Robbins removed from the bench. Polar opposite of Ben Wetzler who went straight to Casey.

          • Jack says:
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            Tinks wants to save the kid… not necessarily the hoops career, but at least the kid.

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