This has all the makings of a trap game. Coming off a high against UO; Cal this weekend; a team the Beavs should beat…
Hopefully the young guys understand that no game is a gimme (vets too!).
from what I’ve seen so far, there are no “trap games” in conference play. Anyone can beat anyone on a given night. The Pac is very deep this year
I don’t think Coach Tinkle would allow for that to happen, but who knows….could have been significant post-CW revels by players…”We just didn’t have our legs tonight.”
It won’t happen. But you could tell GP2 was extremely happy, and gracious, in the win on Sunday. I’m thinking it’s more a springboard than anything.
I once read that defeating the Ducks was one of his reasons for returning to OSU. He always seems gracious and kind.
I think it has the makings of another win.
Talent > experience. These Beavs are gelled and ready to dominate.
Young players are always up and down. They could play like hell tonight, but Sunday was magnificent. Flashbacks to my days in Gill. Go Beav’s!
It’s ok if they are up and down, but not all down at the same time. STjr is down right now but Tinkle is up. Eubanks in the middle. STjr was playing better earlier in the year when Tinkle wasn’t. Very surprised Stjr hasn’t adjusted faster. There are times he looks overwhelmed and he’s certainly not used to that. Figured he’d be like Tinkle and start really putting it together by the start of the conference season.
Probably won’t be until next year that they really gel together and become very consistent.
I hope you guys are right.
Don’t think it’s a trap game. It’s conference play, they know all the games will be tough. The defense looked much more cohesive vs the ducks.
Keys to the game –
1. Pack the paint on defense, rebound. Stanford is not a great mid range or 3 point shooting.
2. Payton needs to keep coming. No games where he disappears for a half.
3. Young guys need to keep improving. Against lower teams, Thompson can really get going. This might be one of those games.
I expect a win. Stanford will keep it close at times but I think the Beavs will have spurts in each half where they pull away.
The timing in between games, Weds and Sunday, don’t make this much of a trap game especially early on in the season. If we were doing very well, Stanford poorly, and Cal well later in the year, maybe but not now. Coach will have them ready to play.
1. True to a point. Their strength is Rosco Allen and Humphrey (?) on the boards. If we can shut down Allen’s game, not scoring, then we do good. And if Drew clears the paint for others to rebound as he has been doing, we also succeed.
2. GP2 doesn’t disappear when he’s on the floor. He does so many things right that you have to know where he is whenever he’s there. The nice part is that we have depth enough to rest him or sit him for extended periods, keeping him fresh for crunch time.
3. Agreed. Stevie, I think, was shocked by not scoring from the floor (probably for the first time in his life) against KU. He went in a deep funk. Little Tinks came on during that time. Olaf and LMW understood their roles. I think Drew found a role where he could affect the game and still be on page one with his increased D effort. Even Bruce has settled into a conservative style which allows him to facilitate if he’s not the man–but he can be the man if hot.
Gomis will be key as games ratchet up. He’s lopsided to the D end. And he looks out of step and like the opposition is getting in his head right now. But he knows his role and what it takes to be successful in conference play. It’s a matter of him calming down and making them play his game. Cheikh has done well to adopt that manner so far. You can just tell the other team freaks out when they see a man that big protecting the rim… at first. THen you see him get out of position and not be focused on a couple plays, and you scheme away from him. But he’s worth that five or so minutes that gains you that one advantage.
And I can’t be more proud of the team than I am watching LMW and Malcolm on both ends. Malcolm sets the pace. He is who is responsible for getting the ball safely into the front court. And he did so very well on Sunday. He’s also a heat check guy. When he clears on top of the key, he can knock that shot down 50% of the time. That’s gold. He didn’t need to try again on Sunday. I think he had a second try from the wing or on a drive. But he’s able to drop double digits quickly if you don’t pay him that attention. LMW is finally showing a feel on the O side. I think his c-to-c lay-up was a perfect example of that. He felt the trail while stepping on the D in front of him. He had one later that was just goofy. But I’ll take that if I get the play he’s been producing.
Tonight will be a matter of how Olaf and Tinks play on Allen. Olaf was covered by Brooks at first on Sunday. That was a huge mistake. But Allen is a good player on both ends. If the sub pattern runs Tinks at Allen at the right times, I think we take him out of his game. He can get garbage points and make run once where it looks like he’s doing damage. But we have to take him out of everything else he does to affect the game.
Aren’t those the keys to every game?
Stanford is only strong in the paint. Yes, you still have to put a hand on any perimeter shot. But your focus changes from game to game depending on the opponent’s strengths. It’s not like college football where one team is just better than the other team at given times. It’s more like the NFl where match-ups to exploit weaknesses is the name of the game.
We shut down the paint, and they lose easily.
Doesn’t the team with the most points usually win? 😉
It would be nice if the Beavs jumped on them early so Payton could sit and let that hand heal.
Re-posting, from the previous thread:
Gina up with a story on the hiring of the new ideation guy. I got a two-fer by commenting on empty seats and promoting AB. Your upvote over there, if you so choose, might bring more visibility to both points.
Any word on Clune’s salary? Gina wrote “significant bump” from 200k. That would suck to overpay this guy. OSU isn’t broke, but they don’t have cash to throw around on unproven guys.
I thought we had that discussion.
What did you settle on for your angst of over-payment?
I’d agree up to 450k. I like him and expect great things from him. So that colors my expectations. I’ll raise an eyebrow at 500k+ but happily eat crow if he proves worth it. And I think GA is the kind of coach who makes a DC worth it.
I will also say that Woods is a hot commodity nobody is talking about. It wasn’t just McGiven who was promoted last month. Woods will be poached without GA convincing him of his worth right now. So that move also stabilized that element for the near future.
I think the tall and small promo is quite wonderful. Too bad mbb game is late on a school night or lots of kids would be going. Sure to be spitting in the wind here, but as Benny pointed out, there is also a swim meet earlier. Mostly boring – unless you know a participant – But Sammy Harrison has done well for OSU.
It’s not for tonight’s game. It’s for the men’s hoops game and gymnastics meet this weekend
Duh! Of course it would be then – good fun.
The swim meet is up on Circle at the city natatorium. That is a point. If we’re serious about fielding a swim team, maybe we can dedicate better facilities than that of the town of 60k provides (given that Corvallis is community, merit and service oriented)?
The pool at Dixon is a nice pool… for Dixon. I don’t even know if the pool in the Womens Building is functioning during all the construction next door. But that’s it for a community of 25k+?
Sheesh – no wonder they can’t field a truly competitive swim team – I had no idea.
What are they building next door? I didn’t notice anything over there last time I was on campus though admittedly haven’t gone by there in a while either?
The Learning Innovation Center and Austin Hall were built on the Womens Field.
OT.. but 360 camera view of last Sunday’s Civil war game
That’s some great technology.
That’s really cool. Now, hook it up to a pair of VR goggles that sense orientation and you have a pretty immersive experience. Not perfect but you can imagine being virtually able to walk along with someone and look in any direction you want.
from Gina’s twitter
?@ginamizell 5m5 minutes ago
OK. Here’s Oregon State’s newly shuffled defensive staff:
Clune: DC and ILBs
Chad K: OLBs
Andersen himself: DL
So it seems Coach GA will handle DL
So if the D Line sucks, who do we fire?
Mark Banker because reasons
Saw this technology on the news last night, pretty interesting look
I’m just glad the team’s at a level where a trap game is a possibility.
That’s a low bar.
per the twitter link above, Shurod Thompson has cancelled his Utah visit and is solid with OSU
But he was so angry Baldwin was demoted. 😉
He was, which is why he suddenly was looking at Utah. Dur.
But things changed and he changed with them.
No, he was worried about Sitake leaving. He stated it in an interview that he was worried about it and that he was taking the utah trip just to make sure OSU was the right school. Absolutely zero mention of Baldwin. But we can stick to unnamed sources BS if you want.
Yeah, this is correct. He specifically stated it was about Sitake.
He did say Sitake leaving was the question mark for him, but he started the reply with “kind of, kind of”
I suspect if they had asked him about Baldwin, the “kind of, kind of” part would have been explained.
“Kind of. Kind of. It’s the reason why I’m looking forward to taking a trip to Utah, because that’s the question mark for me,” Thompson said”
So is coach Kauha’aha’a being moved from the DL to the OLB’s a demotion?
No. If he had been moved to “inside receivers” then ‘yes.”
Seriously, I am surprised at the inside/outside designations for the coaching staff. Is that very common? I would think it would be “Receivers” coach and “Linebackers” coach….
Admittedly it is pretty non-traditional but it could be revealing about intention of scheme too. In our defense for instance OLB is very different from ILB and is not simply interchangeable so that could be some reasoning. Different techniques and skills required and this division may allow for more pointed coaching to the position.
In the 3-4 the OLB is essentially the DE so its not much different from the DL. It seems like a natural fit. Probably the same amount of players. GA will just have the interior NT
OT: Griffey and Piazza in the HOF. Griffey Jr. sets mark for highest vote percentage at 99.32 (437 out of 440).
What 3 morons didn’t vote for Griffey?
So no one voted for steroids? That would be a great bronze bust…a big ass with a hypodermic needle stuck in it.
And speaking of Griffey jr. He Always seemed like a stand up dude. Am I right on that?
If not I might as well sell all my Ken Griffey jr. Rookie cards now while the getting is good.
“angrybeavs.com is to Beaver Nation what those wackjobs in Burns are to the United States. The lunatic fringe.”…this per jacknomad
So far, that is the only comment in response to my suggestion that empty seats look bad on TV and that AB could provide the new “ideatiion” guy with the pulse of much of Beaver Nation.
They’d rather buy into the false narratives and worship Riley. Proud to be part of the beaver “fringe” then, if that’s the alternative!
(Or maybe they’re talking about Jack and the trolling morons, whose mental efficacies are fringe)
We’re right about almost everything, so it makes you wonder who the lunatic is.
There have been many shades of subjective interpretation re: OSU athletics on this site about which reasonable people can disagree (e.g., whether Baldwin’s “demotion” rocked the recruiting class) but the only broad or systemic projection/forecast (as opposed to some minor score prediction, say) that Angry has gotten wrong was the belief that Stanford would decline after Harbaugh left.
I take extreme umbrage with that statement. The thieves at Malheur are precisely this dude, common and dundering. How dare someone even pretend we here are so out of touch with reality that we might even post a response on an O-live reprint of an AP story?
I guess you are saying that you posted a comment there. So there’s that. But dude has a serious disconnection with reality. He’s got to be PO or Blitz and shoving a grudge for whatever tiny-brained reason they grudge.
Lets go Beavs!!!
Crowd looks as dead as the team they are watching.
Yeah no intensity.
What the hell happened? Pretty sad OSU fans only care if they’re playing the Ducks. That was a good atmosphere. Looks like it was a one game thing.
Civil War was against an archrival at 4 PM on a Sunday, premium time slot. This was a weeknight game at 8 PM. I’m not surprised at it to be honest. Expect the weekend games to be more hornet’s nest-y.
Oh yeah that fucking 1-3-1 defense. Reminds me of CR.
Weird, they’re not even trying to rebound. What the hell…
Getting out-rebounded 28-10. What is going on?
They were constantly getting shoved under the rim when jumping. It was an amazingly poor and lopsided effort by the refs… right down to the final violation on their last inbound play that was called incorrectly… after they had to have some mysterious conference about an obvious violation.
I’m assuming it will look worse on tape, but I didn’t see us get any calls that weren’t the fourth or fifth call that should have never happened because a competent ref would at least call the second foul.
I have a hard time thinking that any ref or ref crew can be that egregiously lopsided by accident or because they were just having a bad night. That was straight up Tim Donaghy bullshit… I think… until I calm down and watch the tape.
Speaking of… there was an article last summer in the New Yorker (?) about Donaghy running NBA picks on his own based on only the refs. And he outpaces all other handicappers by a ridiculous amount.
So it’s not all in our heads.
Garbage start so far but there’s plenty of time if the players decide to show up
Refs have been especially terrible tonight
The offensive foul calls have gotten out of hand these days. Fall over near a shooter and you’re getting the call these days.
I really am talking about this days.
Should probably proofread more.
The refs are making this unwatchable.
And geser row looks especially bored tonight.
Seems like all too often the Beavs loose track of their man or the part of the floor that they’re responsible for which results in the opposing player either having an open shot or an open lane to the basket.
Why are we down at the half? Didn’t we already win the conference championship and make the NCAA’s last week against Oregon?
The butt hurt is strong in this one.
Del Butthurt Duckz
Are you kidding? Beating a lowly butt hole like Nikegon was only a first step. It’s a long season.
Too much revels? AFO? No legs?
Get out of the zone already! Bad coaching by Tinkle for the first time
In a long while. We should be in man the rest of the way.
I’m no lip reader but I’m pretty sure that Stanford player just said “fuck them” quite a few times. They are playing with so much more intensity than the beavers, it’s sickening to watch.
Also saw that spoiled brat sportsmanship
Beavers have to get out of the zone now. Stanford is destroying it. Beavers can’t rebound out of it nor limit the wide open looks. Need to go man to man and take their chances
This ones over. No interest tonight in playing defense or rebounding
This is a bad loss. Zero effort until the final 10 minutes when they decide to turn it on. Those who called trap game where right.
That would have been me, sorry to say. Sometimes I hate being right.
I don’t like he lineup down the stretch.
I don’t like anything about this game. Not only a lack of effort, but stupid decisions.
They need to get more butts in seats at these games. And the crowd needs to wake up.
Painful game to watch. Stanford seemingly got every rebound and loose ball. This loss will hurt.
As good as Payton is, you don’t want to see him on the line at the end of the game when losing. He’s just a very poor FT shooter. Very odd that he’s so bad at it. You’d expect a guard with his frame and athleticism/coordination to make FTs.
One would like to see players at the D-1 be able to hit something like 80% at the line. Most of these kids have been playing a long time by now. Beavs probably gave up 8-10 pts at the line in this one.
As great as Gary Payton II is, him being the team’s best rebounder is a problem. Eubanks and Olaf have poor instincts when it comes to rebounds. They’re consistently out of position, so when they run into teams who can rebound well they will get killed on the glass more times than not. Stanford’s big men have pushed them around all night
Fts and 2nd Chance points…
Yes, and [lack of] first half effort, which was part of that and set the tone.
That Allen rebound off the missed ft with an minute left summed up the night
That’s a dumb shot by Tinkle. Gotta shoot a 3 there.
It’s unpredictable college basketball, so there will be losses like this, but damn it would be nice to see a lock down, bat shit crazy atmosphere at EVERY precious home game, but it was not there tonight. Now they need to steal a couple on the road.
Gill Coliseum: Where you usually get the spirit of Ralph Miller, sometimes are punked by the spirit of Craig Robinson
It hurts, especially after the tweets about the atmosphere against Oregon…..the “hornet’s nest” description. Tonight was a Butterfly cocoon.
Just got back home after the game, Jack posted this above…………………..
“They were constantly getting shoved under the rim when jumping. It was an amazingly poor and lopsided effort by the refs”
100 fucking percent spot on. I was a little on the grumpy side walking out of Gill for that reason alone. Poor FT shooting by the Beavs was also a factor. If I had been in Coach Tinkle’s shoes I would’ve been thrown out of the game after blasting those refs for allowing Stanford to do that all fucking night.
Yeah… no excuse for the FT shooting. That alone makes this game even. But there was not one single call I can recall that went our way. The one play where LMW knocked the ball off Stanford dude’s leg out of bounds then trotted down the court when the ref first correctly called the play was the epitome of all calls during the night… except that he bothered to call it right before he remembered who he was supposed to call it for.
Like I said, I haven’t watched the tape yet. But I can’t be wrong about everything.
And I can go for the rest of my life before having to watch Sanders or Humphrey play another game. Those two mouthy whiners are about the worst sportsmen I’ve witnessed in the Pac… not named Vontaze. Stanford is a crap team, and we had no business losing to them. The effort was not there in the first half. But this was not the Valpo game. This was the refs’ game.
Waaaa waaaaa sniffle waaaaa
Just like you I can’t stop crying! We were clearly the better team but THOSE GOD DAMN REFS OBVIOUSLY WANTED US TO LOSE! SO, THEY MADE US SHOOT TERRIBLE SHOTS AND MISS THEM. CANT BELIEVE THOSE ASSHOLES KEPT STEALING THE BALL FROM OUR PLAYERS TOO!!
I’ve written long letters to Larry Scott, Gary Andersen, and Obama requesting a formal investigation into the backgrounds of the officials. Those pieces of shit will NEVER call a game again! Can’t believe those refs wanted Stanford to win! they must have been paid off by some bigwig booster.
Don’t you have a shit burrito to eat in your mom’s basement before your shift at Del Taco? Or you still got your panties in a bunch that little sister got ass raped Sunday???
CANT BELIEVE THOSE ASSHOLES KEPT STEALING THE BALL FROM OUR PLAYERS TOO!!
That’s the money quote. Yes, the refs were taking the ball away from us and giving it to SU for lesser violations. And I’m not even talking about the 3 or so non-travels, an obvious double dribble, many carries on the baseline… and that final inbound non-violation.
But this negates the rest of your argument. It’s not that we took and missed terrible shots. We did miss some good shots. We were getting decent shots up. We just didn’t get many due to the lopsided calls.
And this one wasn’t “write your Congressman” worthy. There was one crew about three or four years ago that called an aggressive and angry game against us with Wazzu at Gill. They then showed up for the home CW at the end of the year, and they had the same bad attitudes. That crew was write-in worthy. And apparently boosters, coaches and ADs of about four or five other schools did the same for those specific refs.
Two of those three refs do not work Pac 12 games any more. I don’t know where one ended up, if he’s still a ref.
And you’re on the wrong track when first going to bribery. That’s amateur hour. OSU was a popular play at -6 last night. If it was their intention to call such a lopsided game, gambling is the first place to look. But that might not be what happened here. Those games are usually apparent because the refs let up once the favored outcome is apparent. The oppressed team can even get a chance to win it so long as they don’t score too much too quickly. These guys made obviously poor calls all the way to the last play of the game.
Post game presser, 1:10 mark, Wayne Tinkle even says Stanford was “shoving us in the back”
The rebounding was piss poor. I know Stanford was pushing underneath, but they were outrebounding us 2 to 1 through the meat of the game.
That and the free throws. Jesus Christ, what’s wrong with hitting FTs at home? Everyone was missing, from our shooters to our GP.
The refs were absolutely terrible from the opening play until the buzzer. I hope some of these refs get reprimanded because all of our momentum plays were killed by whistles. No calls caused 4 and 5 point swings. It wasn’t even fouls, but all of the ancillary stuff that adds up.
That was a disappointing game to be a part of, because I don’t feel like Stanford is better than us. They just had 20 more chances to score. Dawkins simply outcoached Tinks today. We couldn’t find a good rotation to generate points and get stops or at least get boards. Big G did a good job knocking skulls. But we really could not keep them off the boards.
I finally remember a call that went our way. In the second half, someone shot from the right side. And Drew was underneath getting grabbed and pushed like he had been all day. As the SU player (I think Humphrey’s 5th?) was yet again pulling Drew away from the RB, GP2 flew in and put down a two handed dunk that was very pretty. So that was the ideal time for them to call the one play in our favor all night.
Let down game with poor everything. Team and coach needed ten shots of Dutch Bro’s. Sleepwalking is no way to play basketball.
Well, you can’t win them all!
The biggest concern I see so far in this young season is we don’t have much of a front court and we can’t make free throws.
Many of the teams we’re going to play don’t have those issues.
Worried our rebounding woes will nag us all year.
That’s a part of the problem. Reid and Gomis are still rusty. They don’t back down from the kind of Judo SU was playing last night. But they’re still not game savvy. And when they get grabbed and pushed, they’re both strong enough to resist and just get called on the second violation. Gomis was on the D block on one play, and his man came down and grabbed him across the back of his shoulders and pushed him so that he was sideways. So when he stands up SU guy raises his arm as if he was just some innocent bystander, and he gets the call.
If he’s game savvy he has his arms up as the guy grabs him, and he flails as he gets pushed. Wildly flailing arms get the refs’ attention all the time. We sure saw a lot of that last night.
I guess that’s what pissed me off most last night. The SU players would do their Judo in the paint, and they would run out to the wings or the point and punch and grab on the ball. Then they would get some kind of resistance and pretend they were some innocent victim of some crime. And then they would fucking whine to the refs about it for extended periods. They were just such mouthy fucking whining hypocrites. That alone made the game ugly. But that the refs listened to them and gave them those calls all game long made it that much worse.
But you’re right. It’s one game. I look forward to seeing them again at Maples. Time to move on to Cal… who is pretty good, btw.
Shocker…. freshman play like freshman. That will happen as this year unfolds. Look for big up, Sunday and big downs, last night. Another long-term factor is the season long grind on their bodies. The game is longer and twice as physical. They may run out of gas by tournament time. JB
PS: If they want to clear those wack jobs out of Burns, send Bill Walton down to talk to them. They would run screaming. The guy, Walton, has totally lost it. He would ramble on and on off topic, while a perfectly good basketball game was being played right in front of him. His poor announcer tried unsuccessfully to steer him back to the on-court action many times.
I saw Walton was calling your game, and the first thing I said was, “So… what Grateful Dead story is he going to tell today?”
I heard he told it and had pics for it as well.
So glad I was at the game and didn’t have to listen to him.
I used to love playing guys like Humphrey…chirping and strutting around all game. No way he’d have gotten through that game without getting a T…just needed a little coxing.
He didn’t need any coaxing. The way he and Sanders just berated the refs all night makes me wonder how any adult human can take that and respect themselves, especially when they’re supposed to be the adults in that situation.
I felt bad for some of the parents who had kids near the floor. Those two were just foul-mouthed and aggressively angry “poor me” whiners.
Did anyone else notice a play in the first half where the shot clock buzzer went off while a Stanford player was starting his shot but the refs ignored the obvious violation? Everyone stopped because they heard the buzzer and another Stsnford player just grabbed the rebound and scored a free basket? The refs truly didn’t give a fuck last night. That being said, neither did the Beavs until the second half. Not gonna win in the PAC when you only show up for half the game. The most frustrating part is that Stanford really didn’t look good at all and we gave away what should’ve been an easy home win over a lesser opponent. Better wake the fuck up boys because Cals next and they have 2 NBA players comin with them
Postgame thoughts –
That was unexpected…Stanford executed the gameplan the Beavs were going with. Not sure why but the guys seemed hesitant on offense. Like they expected Stanford to roll over.
Sometimes it was execution, sometimes it was just bad luck. The defense was good for the first 20-25 seconds and then Stanford was able to some low percentage shots. Didn’t seem like the team gave up but just got outplayed.
Vs Cal, they need to get into the offense a little faster. Not rushing the ball up court but start moving when the ball is into the front court.
One thing I saw from the freshman in the game that they can change is when they are driving the basket, they tend to lean into the defender to try to draw the foul. They aren’t getting the calls like they used to in high school. A couple times they were called for charges because of this. Instead of leaning in, they should go straight up because the defender isn’t trying to block their shot. This applies to Eubanks especially.
That charge call is called incorrectly a lot. It’s why there’s a little circle under the basket now. And I don’t think it has helped. Now all the refs look for is that the D is outside the circle, not sliding under a committed jump while leaning backward. You’re right that experience will teach them to pull up because they know the wrong call will be made 60% of the time. There are some refs out there who know and call that blocking violation correctly always. It’s easy since it’s almost always blocking. Again, it takes experience to know who those refs are. But that is so universally a poorly called play that I can’t get upset about two or three per game.
It bugs me when watching a game and they show the replay, and the announcers say something like, “Ooh. That was close. I don’t know.” No, it wasn’t close. The rule is that you are to have both feet set or be jumping in your vertical space before the offensive player sets his last step on the ground. If you are not in position before that last step hits the floor, it’s a blocking foul.
And we didn’t get outplayed. I’d be willing to bet we were the more efficient offense in every category except at the FT line. It’s that we should have shot probably 20 more FTs, but instead had to watch as those non-calls turned into rebounds for them. And then we had to listen to SU whine about ticky tack shit all… game… long… usually about contact they initiated.
Did anyone notice that there were 3 mics used at the post game presser (one for the coach and one for each of the players)?!!!!!!
Thank you athletic department, thank you. 🙂
Now all they have to do is to ask GPII to speak up when answering questions.
Clune officially hired as Oregon State’s D-Coordinator/Inside Linebackers coach
Anybody file a FOIA, to get his salary numbers yet?
Sooooo Barry Alverez is a cheap ass. Pretty shitty excuse not to match pay. Sounds like Wisconsin has a bad donor base.
I kind of like that. Coaches get paid way too much. That said I am glad he is not our AD. Unfortunately overpaying guys is what you have to do.
It shows Wisconsin isnt really interested in make a CFP run. He offered the guy $40,000 dollars that’s shit money for an in demand coach.
That’s the thing about guys getting paid big money…they either produce or they get fired. Which is how it should be.
Duck’s considering Brady Hoke for DC, per local radio report
I mentioned him as a guy OSU needed to talk to. But I think he doesn’t stick around for more then a year or two if they hire him.
Here’s a story, of a Hoke named Brady…
Saw a blurb that they’re going after Pendergast too.
They did but Pendergast agreed to sign with USC yesterday
That’s what I saw.
Is McGiven still the quarterbacks coach since he has been promoted? Or is it someone else now?
I think offensively it’s like this:
McGiven: co oc and Qb coach
Woods: co oc and ol coach
Lockett: RB coach
Brennan: WR coach
Baldwin: fancy pants Seth Collins coach.
Who is the play caller?
McGiven will be calling the plays.
From what I understand McGiven is the “Passing Game coordinator” and Woods is the “Running Game Coordinator.”
Kevin Clune interviewed by Mike Parker
He sounds stupid.
I’d have to say yes if you’re referring to Mike Parker. Some of the questions he asked were pretty lame.
I think you meant to reply to Del Beavz
Can’t top this guy though. I really hope the ducks end up with him, only because the press conferences should be fun.
By the way, doesn’t Clune look an awful lot like a slightly slimmer version of Hoke?
Little side blurb in this espn piece on Klune/Andersen is coach Chad has also been promoted to associate head coach.
Following the link, further down the page, UCLA earns a C+ for the year partially because they were, “bullied around by a 5-7 team in a bowl game”
I certainly liked Clunes initial thought process a lot more than i liked Sitake’s. He seems a lot more tactically driven.
He seems to already have a plan AND he strikes me as a guy that dudes will want to play hard for. Based on that he should be able to recruit well. If all else fails he can just name drop Bobby Wagner on every recruiting trip and close shit down.
Watch Press Conference here @ 1PM
@1:16 … thoughts part way through:
1-PLAYER DRIVEN, as opposed to scheme.
2-Clune doesn’t sound like a dummy to me.
3-Certainly on board with GA’s philosophy.
I thought Clune sounded pretty “slow”, but so did Sitake. So I can see why someone thinks he sounds stupid. We’ll see when his defense plays on Saturdays. His track record is better than Sitake’s, imo.
eeepp! Cory Hall slip
Well, if truly adapts the scheme to the players, maybe he’s slowing and simplifying his responses because of the reporters, so they can get it.
In case you missed the live feed
Coach Andersen and Clute Introduction Presser
Any film evaluators here? I’d be curious to see which of the following you think looks like the better QB? Try to ignore star ratings/offers and all that noise and just compare these two clips back to back. Compare size/speed/throwing ability/playmaking ability. There’s no right or wrong answer i’m looking for, just hoping to hear opinions and generate discussion.
What’s up with that Struck kid? No offers? Is he a felon? That said, Moran is a hair better, a hair stronger arm, a hair more accurate, a hair faster. But struck should have some offers, that’s wierd, like maybe he has bad grades.
Dont think grades are an issue at all. I think teams maybe discovered him a little late in the process. He’s been in contact with Pac12 schools like Arizona, Washington and OSU over the past year. Also been in contact with Montana. Has a couple of lower level offers like Central Washington and another school I cant remember. I think he grew alot this year too. Pretty sure he wasn’t 6′ 3″ last year.
I’m wrong about the size, film says he was 6’3″ as junior and 6’2″ as soph.
Really, you need full game film to evaluate properly. Highlights just cover the good stuff, I would like to see both of their incompletions. Did they hit the guy in the hands or did they throw it into the stands? (Hey I’m a rapper) . I think their weaknesses are just as important as their strenghts.
Agree, highlights are limiting. Struck has some full game film on his hudl page but moran doesnt
Stuck looks like a better passer (on highlight film at least), in terms of pure mechanics and arm strength. I think if he had 3 stars next to his name people would be willing to admit that. His 57% completion percentage is troubling, but might be bad WRs.
Moran clearly the better runner. Struck doesn’t look like much of a runner at all.
Overarching point: getting Stuck as a walk on would be a steal.
I don’t claim to be a film evaluator but I had some time so I thought I’d look at the highlight videos.
As I was watching them I found myself wondering what Nick Mitchell’s high light video looked like so I looked it up and found myself being surprised that he was 1st team all-kingco and was capable of making throws which seemed to be on a par with the two kids you’ve put up links for.
Which makes me wonder what happened to him during his stay at OSU. He could make the throws in high school and a short time later he can’t hit the side of a barn???
What gives? Did he loose confidence in himself and if so why? Did the QB coach let him down by not working on his technique?
He got Riley’d for a year
Yah cuz Riley’s track record with QB’s is horrific.
Than you explanation why he went from a decent throwing motion to looking like he’s in half speed compared to everyone else in one year?
Also what the fuck happened to his throwing motion? I would take what he did in high school over that one he had this year.
Okay I watched both back to back. What I like about Mason is his precision he is quick and decisive and sharp. Looks very fluid and percise. Has good speed. I think he plays against much better competition so he is more challenged, where as the Struck tape there are some tiny defenders. Matt has good tape too, His size looks much thicker and taller. His throws don’t look as accurate, everybody is wide open and he throws on the run alot, which I don’t like his footwork when he does. His arm looks stronger and throws it deeper. I think the competition might be a factor, he is able to run around and wait for the defense to finally break down. He looks like he is just as fast. So I still like Mason, but having said that I think Struck might have a bigger upside. His size and strength are nice, but I think he needs to work on his accuracy. Those are my first thoughts, I don’t consider myself a good tape watcher it all looks really good to me.
I wonder if struck’s receiver look more wide open because he’s surveying the field till he finds the open man more? Seems like Moran is more quick strike to the first Option because that’s the way their offense is designed. I dont see much on Moran’s film of letting plays develop and being patient. He does play against better competition, but he also has the most talented team in his state playing along side him. Throwing to 4* and 5* receivers can make the game easier, you’d think.
Now that everyone has moved on to the next thread I’ll mumble re the videos.
In Moran’s video most of his throws were no more than 25 to 30 yards so I’m left wondering if he has the arm strength that Struck has. Also, it seemed to me that there were quite a few of Moran’s throws which would qualify as get your receiver injured if those throws were made at the Pac-12 level.
WBB on PAC12 in about 1/2 hour. Last time I put up a notice for the gals it didn’t turn out well; now testing my jinxability. If the good gals don’t come out on top tonight I’ll not post this kind of notice EVER again!
Utah comeback buzzer beater in Colorado, huge win on the road.
BWB’s crush the quacks.
Yup, a lot of celebratory boob bumpin’ goin’ on.
Even if they get another double digit win Sunday I won’t be surprised to see that #11 ranking slip.
We call it titty bumpin’ round these parts.
Seems like that could be dangerous, living in a place as cold as Minnesota
A regional thing? Or, perhaps related to the size of the “equipment” being bumped?
Does Mandy join in, or is that post-game, showers?
And all was right with the world 🙂
Came across a local news interview of Struck/coach/teammate for anybody who wants a little closer look.
Corey Hall….he turning into Peko or something? What are thoughts about the delay. GA reacted like deal not done in Clune presser which surprised Clune. Hall trying to leverage, paperwork or what? Hell has limited experience above a GA level so being a secondary coach here is a good gig. He trying to sweeten the deal too much before putting in the work & time?
Also curious on Clune’s deal. My hunch is it will be close to 550K which is very much on the high side for Clune, coming from 220K. I’d start him at 500K and up it 12.5K a year so it averaged 525K over 5 years.
Got a basis for that hunch?
I agree, seems something less than even $400k ought to be attractive to him.
We don’t need to be cheap if we want to compete to win the Pac-12. 400K good for him but too low for OSU DC job. 500-530K seems plenty fair and a good mark for several years of work. Next year will still be tough to win 5-6 games so would like him to start around 500K as well and not much higher or OSU is not paying for actual results on the field.
I saw a blurb somewhere which said something to the effect that OSU was holding off on announcing the hires because they were waiting for confirmation (?) from the clearing house (?) regarding the coaches credentials.
I’ve done some searching looking for the blurb but haven’t had any luck finding it so this is just from memory..
That was reported by john canzano on his twitter i think
Yes but they announced Clune on Thursday. Even if you wanted him to have his own day, why not announce Hall on Friday. His limited experience should mean less to fill out. If he isn’t announced by Tuesday of next week then something is up.
They’re two separate hires. It’s not like they were a packaged deal. I don’t think anything is “up”
Relax and enjoy the weekend
You were right. Thank you sir.
John Canzano ?@johncanzanobft Jan 7
In case you wondered… Oregon State in limbo waiting on NCAA clearinghouse to confirm college degrees for their new football hires.
And considering Hall has been a “graduate” assistant at two schools, including OSU, I don’t think there’s any reason to worry. Chalk it up to slow moving paperwork
“Chalk it up to slow moving paperwork”………not too hard to believe, given the NCAA track record.
As North Dakota State appears headed for another national championship today . . .
One would think that given GA’s constant drumming-on about physicality and toughness, he and his staff would at least look in this direction.
From the link, by way of explaining the quality of the recruits to NDS from the Minneapolis area“…the tradition-lacking Golden Gophers hold little allure…”
“Click here to to take survey and continue to read this article” no thanks
No message like that when I followed the link.
Just click on the survey then click skip survey.
Coach Chad on Klune:
“He’s a no-nonsense, all-business type of coach. Kevin is not a rah-rah guy during a game. He is tuned into scheming and getting the next play ready.”
Is this a shot at Sitake?
That article says Baldwin will be coaching tight ends and h-backs.
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