28.Jan.2016 Oregon State @ Arizona State (Basketball)

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The upcoming two road games need no writeup. In short, they need to win both games if they want an excitement down the stretch.

Go Beavs

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  • PDXBeav says:
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    I’m reposting this so it doesn’t get buried (with some updates)

    So who’s left for this recruiting class? Some big names still out there:

    – David Luafatsaga (4 star JC OLB) visited in November
    – Fred Mauigoa (3 star OL) visiting this weekend
    – Kee Whetzel (3 star WR) visiting this weekend
    – Bradlee Anae (3 star DE) visited last weekend
    – Kayode Rufai (3 star DE from Portland) visited in November
    – Hirkley Latu (3 star Safety) visited last weekend
    – Kaelin Himphill (3 star LB) – or has he burned that bridge already?
    – Maxs Tupai (4 star DE) visited in Dec. Visited USC last weekend, Oklahoma this weekend.
    – Tyrek Tisdale (3 star ATH) visited in Sept. We are his only visit so far. I think he was a one-time Florida commit.

    Here’s who I think we will lose:
    – Sione Finau (2 star RB) who will likely choose BYU. Mission kid anyways.
    – Doug Taumoelau (3 star DE) who also might choose BYU to stay close to home. I think he may also be a mission kid.

    By the way, I think we hold onto Turnier, Wallace, and Thompson.

    I think we have 4 more slots, because with 24 commits, Timmy Hernandez counts towards last year’s class, plus the 2 mission kids (Finau and Taumoelau) if they end up committing to us. So that leaves us at 21, and I think we can take 25 potentially.

    • angry angry says:
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      Do you guys remember if Brayden Kearsley is still around, and which class he counts against?
      4-star transfer OL from BYU.

      • PDXBeav says:
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        Yeah, Kearsley had to sit out last year per the transfer rules. He played as a true freshman and true sophomore before transferring. He was an off-and-on starter, which is pretty impressive for a true freshman. He will be a redshirt Junior next season and will compete for a starting position on the line.

        I actually like the way the line is set up for next year, even with Seumalo leaving for the NFL.

        LT – Sean Harlow (SR)
        LG – Kearsley (JR)
        C – Drew Clarkson (SO)
        RG – Fred Lauina (JR)
        RT – Gavin Andrews (SR) – IF he gets his medical redshirt. If not, this is likely Dustin Stanton’s spot since he was the starter last year (he will be a senior next season).

        Backup Tackles – Stanton (SR), Keenan (SR), Brandel (FR), Olson (SO)
        Backup Guards – Delp (SO), Fifita (FR), Moore (SO)

        Biggest issue is the development of a backup center. I think Kearsley played center and guard at BYU, so maybe he could backup Clarkson.

        • angry angry says:
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          Lauina is terrible, though.

        • Bill says:
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          Doubt Andrews ever really gets healthy. Plagued his career so far.

          I’d say Delp will be the LG and Kearsley the RT.

          • PDXBeav says:
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            So you think it could be Harlow, Delp, Clarkson, Fifita, and Kearsley, I like the mix of young guys in there.

          • angry angry says:
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            I don’t know exactly how it will pan out at this point, but someone will replace Lauina. He was the weak link last year, and now with everyone a year older someone will take that job.

        • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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          I think Kearsley is projected at Center. Andrews will be a Guard. Harlow and Stanton at Tackles. Not sure on the other Guard.

    • Cake says:
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      >Tyrek Tisdale (3 star ATH) visited in Sept. We are his only visit so far. I think he was a one-time Florida commit.

      I believe he decommitted from Florida the weekend he was in Corvallis, I’ve always thought he was possibly a silent commit to us.

      • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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        I think he visited UMass last week as well.

      • PDXBeav says:
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        I remember that he decommitted from Florida right around his visit to Corvallis. That would be awesome if he was a silent commit – a huge addition to this class as a borderline 4-star recruit.

        Does anybody have an idea of what position they’re looking at for Tisdale? Safety?

        • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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          They recruited him for offense, even though he’s listed as an ATH.

      • angry angry says:
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        No visits…
        Grade issues?

  • Bill says:
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    Disagree, they only need to win the ASU game. Two would be a bonus. Beating Arizona would leapfrog them from a end of the bubble team to the front of the bubble.

    Splitting the road trip would not hurt or help their tourney chances but two losses or two wins would have a large effect.

    • mckalk says:
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      Yeah, I don’t want to be too dramatic, but I feel like ASU is a must win for any post season aspirations to continue beyond the CBI given the two home losses (which were very winnable games).

      To put things in perspective, I believe the 1992-93 season was the last time the Beavs even finished at .500 in league play (9-9). It doesn’t get talked about much, but that’s starting to challenge the football futility . It really needs to end this season, but is 10 wins even realistic? I have no idea with this team.

      • Bill says:
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        The depth of the PAC12 means even a .500 team is likely to make the tourney. 7 to 8 teams will make it in. I’d say the teams finishing 8-10 will make the NIT.

        NCAA is on the bubble but making the NIT is there for the taking.

        • Bill says:
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          Also in bracket predictions, the low end show the pac12 with 7 bids and the high end shows 9 bids. So it seems finishing 7th would be a lock to get in.

          I think it helps more than it hurts to have all the teams bunched together in the standings. No it won’t help the seeding when the tourney starts but it’ll get more teams in.

          • thatguy says:
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            True. I literally just want in at this point. 26 years is too doggone long to play for a title.

  • cj cj says:
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    Go Woolly Beavs!

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Beavs currently at 50th in RPI, ASU 74th. This would be the worst loss of the season. Granted RPI’s fluctuate depending on who you played and who they won or lost to. Right now most of the bracket experts have the beavs as one of the first 8 teams out. Of the two NIT projections I’ve looked at, beavs are a 2 or 3 seed in the NIT. Granted we’re still in January and have several more weeks to go. But as stated in the previous thread, tonight is a must win game. Saturday not so much.

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    At least the games isn’t on ESPN U.

    GO BEAVS!

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    First time for the OSU freshman facing the Curtain of Distraction. If the game is close, this actually could be a factor (ridiculous as it seems).

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Don MacClean and Kevin O’Neill both pick the Beavs on the pregame show

    • angry angry says:
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      That’s why they’re doing pregame shows.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        and O’Neill isn’t coaching anymore. That post was meant as the beavs are probably going to lose now. Being picked to win was the kiss of death

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    My god, fucking awful start. Other than the opening posession, Eubanks has been crap. Get him out of there!

    Someone want to remind OSU that the Sun Devils are 1-6?

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Thank goodness I can’t find a stream. But that means I have to listen to you know who.

    Ugh

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      I’m about ready to turn it off already. It’s like night and day watching these guys struggle away from Gill

  • OSU82 says:
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    OSU getting absolutely spanked in the early going. No O…outside of bricking a few threes.

  • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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    These guys stink on the road.

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    This is fugly.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    There we go, drive to the basket instead of just settling for jumpers.

    Also, love how Tinkle’s ripping into them.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Geez talk about digging yourself a hole.

  • angry angry says:
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    Payton is like Shaq on the line.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    And now they’ve reverted to can’t make free throws either

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    they average 10 pts less a game on the road, might 20 after tonight.

  • mckalk says:
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    What the fuck is wrong with this team on the road?

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    Why do we play so hesitant and scared on the road?

  • OSU82 says:
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    These guys can be really tough to watch. Offensively they can be just dreadful, and poor D to boot. Blow-out in the making

  • Dansen Dansen says:
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    I cannot begin to comprehend why they are so awful away from home.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    That ASU only had five fouls speaks volumes about how much we’ve settled instead of attacking the other team.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    14 minutes in, 9 fucking points and down 20+. Turning it off and I am done watching these guys play away from Gill. If they haven’t figured out how to play on the road by now, they aren’t going to magically figure it out in these last 6 weeks.

    In a game they had to have and knew that going in. Fucking pathetic effort.

    • mckalk says:
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      I don’t get how a shitty defensive team like ASU can just shut down the Beavs? I don’t care what court it’s on. They are just terrible when ASU comes to double team the ball. They can’t move the ball quick enough to find the open man.

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    WT to team …”la de dah” helped a lot.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    How the heck is Duvivier of all players leading us in scoring? Good guy and all, but he should be the third option at best.

  • mckalk says:
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    Did Cheikh just get his shot blocked by a 6 foot white dude?

  • OSU82 says:
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    That was the worst half of basketball I’ve seen an Oregon State team play….for a long time, years maybe. This team has got nuthin’ if GPII isn’t scoring the ball.

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      Fat fingered your down vote there should have been an up vote

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    To think earlier in the day I was looking forward to this game, and then they go Jay John on me.

  • angry angry says:
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    Hey Beavgirl, you just got a shot of Michael Phelps shrunken HGH balls.

  • mckalk says:
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    I have to shut this off. Shit, two times in the last three games.

  • angry angry says:
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    I think I’m done watching basketball for the year.
    Waste of time that could be better spent elsewhere.

  • Dansen Dansen says:
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    Maybe the most perplexing thing about this to team to me is that they’ve regressed so much defensively.

  • True Beavieler says:
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    Regressing on defense? Don’t you actually have to play some D to regress? 😉

  • helmsley says:
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    And Oregon is defeating Arizona . . .

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Yup. And even if they don’t win tonight they’ll crush ASU this weekend. Two teams trending in different directions. Arizona will destroy the Beavs Saturday evening. OSU is 1-12 on the road in Pac-12 games under WT and that lone win was in Pullman last year against the worst team in the conference. I don’t know about the rest of ya’ll but I’m getting tired of the excuses, coming out flat, poor performances/effort, getting run out of the gym by mediocre/bad teams, only playing one half. Whatever they’re doing isn’t working. Time to try something else. Nut up or shut up.

      I just saw the final score of tonights game. Wow. 86 points against one of the worst shooting teams in the Pac-12. Way to go guys. Just when I thought you couldn’t regress any worse…….

      10th place at the turn in conference play is not acceptable for a team with allegedly this much talent

  • scotty says:
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    Time to ask: How much of last year’s magic was Tinkle, and how much was GP2 being way better than expected?

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      or the Pac-12 being down

    • helmsley says:
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      Hurley had the Beavs (and Tinkle) figured out – Arizona State played fast, Oregon State as if they were in slow motion.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        In the 14 minutes of the first half I watched, they double teamed GP2 as often as they could get away with. Did they just give the blueprint on how to beat OSU?

        The blueprint is to play them anywhere but Gill

        • helmsley says:
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          So, if one player is double teamed isn’t that supposed to make it easier for the other players? Also, when I see (or hear) the 1-3-1, I count to no more than 10 seconds before the opposing team hits a 3-pointer.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Oregon ends Arizona’s 49 game winning streak at McKale 80-72. Saturday evening is going to be brutal. Arizona is going to be pissed.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Speaking personally here – – – – perhaps the expectations weren’t realistic?

    Oh, and for me again,,, I’m beginning to think the same thing very well might apply to this football recruiting class, especially if some of the guys get flipped by other schools. Over the past X years I’d resigned myself to not even following the recruiting process and thus avoiding all the rah rah bull shit which almost always turned out to be nothing more than bull shit but this year I allowed myself to get my hopes up and it’s beginning to look like it’s going to be same-ole, same-ole.

    So far, the tenure of GA qualifies as being nothing more than a cluster fuck (the hiring and handling of DB, the way the QB situation was handled, the way the team played, etc., etc.). Obviously jmo.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      speaking personally here…………….from a team that won 17 (7-11 conference) games last season, returned everyone and added some talent, I expect(ed) an NIT berth. Anything less is a disappointment. At the very least I expect improvement. I am not seeing that.

      I was not one of the ones thinking NCAA tournament this season

  • Chuck_The_Mouth says:
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    Man what a disappointing football and basketball season. I had way higher expectations for the basketball team but in reality both teams are re-building and I really shouldn’t expect them to do that well. Just like the football season, concistency is problem for the basketball team. Sometimes they play lights out, other times they just don’t show up and are terrible. But that shouldn’t be suprising given the fact that most of the talent on the team are freshmen. Oh well, here’s to baseball season! Maybe I am a bad omen, I root for the Mariners, the Blazers, and The Beavs… Maybe I am the problem lol… In fact the only football game I went to this year I sat in the pouring ass rain and cold to watch the beavs get shutout. I’m telling ya it might be me

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Someone wanna riddle me this? When was the last time the beavs finished ahead of the ducks in the conference standings?

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    One of you locals get your ass down to Reser and throw some dirt over that Mammoth. What horrendous demons have been set loose? It appeared the jump shooting demon and the ability to pass out of a double team demon were stow always on the team flight to AZ.

  • mckalk says:
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    After all of the pre-season hoop hype………here’s a sobering thought. The Beavs have to go 5-5 the rest of the way JUST to equal the 17 wins of last season. I don’t know about anybody else, but I’m not real confident that is achievable.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      RPI dropped to 63 after this bad loss. 10 games left and 6 on the road against UA, UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford and Oregon. You see any road wins in there? I sure as shit don’t. Even if they hold serve at home, 7-11 is the exact same record they had last year. Not the improvement many of us (horribly) predicted. Is 16-13 good enough to get in the NIT (predicting a first round loss in Vegas)? I don’t think so. This team, players, coaches, everyone better get something figured out and fast. Because after Saturday evening they’re going to be 3-6 at the turn. It is spiraling out of control in a hurry. CBI is not good enough anymore. Some of us who’ve been around for awhile and seen some bad basketball are getting tired of the poor performances and getting blown out in games they shouldn’t. Right now, Oregon is clearly the best team in the conference. How was OSU good enough to beat them? Because if they play again right now, Oregon destroys them. I just don’t get it. I’m seeing no improvement. And it’s frustrating

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Goe with another POS slamming OSU.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2016/01/thursday_morning_news_notes_li_35.html#incart_2box

    Here’s what I find comical. Not quite 14 months ago he penned another pos that wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on calling the Gary Andersen hire “a game changer”. Yet no one has called him out on this.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/12/goe_oregon_states_hire_of_wisc.html

    Which one is it Goe? Or just maybe your defense of Riley was unwarranted since this rebuild is now going to take years????

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    “Beavers coach Wayne Tinkle said afterward that his team would have been in the game had it defended like it’s supposed to. After OSU knocked off then-No. 21 USC at home Sunday in one of its best games of the season, Tinkle called Thursday’s lack of intensity and focus “puzzling.”

    No shit coach. We’re all just as puzzled as why your team can’t put together 40 minutes on the road.

    “OSU shot 5 of 26 for the half with eight turnovers. ASU also had eight turnovers but was 12 of 23 shooting.”

    So, the beavers had more turnovers than made FG’s in the first half.

    OSU got little from Gary Payton II in 15 first-half minutes. The senior guard was scoreless with two rebounds, one assist, one steal and two turnovers.

    After sitting down and thinking about it, here’s my assessment (which probably isn’t worth two shits).

    The D was not good. That’s a given. What is lacking on offense is guard play imo. Lack of a true point guard. GP2 is not a point guard. Duvivier is not a point guard. LMW is not a PG. Thompson Jr is not a PG. Unless I’m completely on crack, the PG runs the show and dictates the offense. Derrick Bruce was supposed to be that PG. However, I am not seeing it. Or he’s not being given a chance. Or Kool Aid was wrong. Or he’s not ready. Whatever it is, this team lacks a true point guard right now.

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/basketball/osu-men-s-basketball-beavers-fall-flat-in-tempe/article_e72827ce-e698-52ba-a803-92ddb94a6eae.html

    Thoughts?

    • mckalk says:
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      If you consider GP2 more of a small forward within the offense then you’re right, guard play has been atrocious. Also, didn’t I hear the announcers say the Beavs were the worst three point shooting team in the conference? You have to bury a lot of open threes to be a really good team and also don’t forget the horrendous foul shooting in league games. Add on that they only play good defense every so often and you have a recipe for disaster. I still think it has something to do with the mix of players, seniors, old CR recruits, the new blue chips. They aren’t jelling.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      This is worth three shits since I forgot about Kool Aid. Bruce must have been in the dog house recently, because there was a 3 or 4 game stretch where he had zero minutes.

    • OSU82 says:
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      This team has a lot of ailments, but I don’t disagree with your observations on the PG. I do like Payton playing the spot rather than anyone else right now.

      ASU played a nice swarming man defense in the first half, doubling Payton up top, and contested almost every shot. We’re a really poor shooting team to begin with– Olaf, MD, and LMW all shoot sub-40%. Thompson and Tres are barely over that. That’s really bad. So they got tough shots and no surprise that they missed almost all of them.

      I also think what’s lacking is some strength in the 4 or 5 position. I like teams that have at least one guy in either spot who is a force. Eubanks has got some game from two feet and in, but can’t really post up and score consistently from beyond. Olaf is a non-factor. Tinkle scraps down low but seems better suited to playing the 3. Consequently, rebounding, low post D, and post scoring is going to continue to be an issue. Maybe Kone coming will help that, and Eubanks will develop more over the off-season.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        agreed on the lack of a low post presence. Eubanks just isn’t there yet. He needs to get stronger and tougher. Many of us thought he’d get pushed around in conference play. The rest of the low post players are just meh

  • Old Crow says:
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    Up jumped the devil! Not much of s chance to finish in the top 2/3 of the conference, but you’re damn right I’ll be cheering for something better for this team. But, damn, tough to see many wins in the next 5….

    Tough cookies

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    I prefer Oreos but not stale or soggy

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    Need a couple good scorers to consistently win on road. We have none. Payton is great all around player but not a guy you throw ball to with 5 seconds left and expect a bucket. Role players on good teams are usually MIA in road games – stars have to play well and we don’t have enough. Also we are not a good team. Worst post D in conference, payton is keeping this life raft afloat with bubble gum and duct tape.

  • issaquahbeav says:
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    Anyone see Michael Phelps cameo with the Curtain of Distraction? Read the article on-line; pretty damn funny. Of course, Thompson, Jr. was distracted missing his two free throws. I bet you the PAC-12 steps in at some point to squash this gimmick, though.

    • scotty says:
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      They really should. It’s over the line IMO, even if mildly amusing. What’s next, blaring cannon or fireworks noises when the guy’s about to take a shot? Strobe lights?

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      they’ve been doing it for 4 years at least. The Pac-12 must not see it as a problem. Honestly, I don’t either. It’s really not much different from the fat kid they called Chunk at Gill trying to distract opponents shooting FT’s

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      When I was in the pep band at OSU, for a short time one of our tuba players would do the truffle shuffle when an opponent was shooting free throws at our end of the court. There was a notable difference in FT percentage when we did that. Didn’t last long as we got a letter from Bobby D to stop it.

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    Watching the broadcast now because I was busy and didn’t record it for later. Then I saw the score. Now I know why the score is that way.

    Play like that at McKale, and we lose 100-50.

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    One of those, “where do we go from here?” losses. I’m more than a little bit concerned about how the rest of this and even next season plays out.

    Unless of course, everyone on the roster makes a huge jump forward in athleticism, size, and production.

    This team just doesn’t match up well with the current pac12 rosters.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      They’re fine on the talent side. They can beat anyone anywhere if they play to their capabilities. There is just no such thing as consistency with this team. They pick and choose their good games. They need to pull together.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    OT-

    Apparently Wisconsin is hiring Justin Wilcox to replace Aranda?

  • scotty says:
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    BWB smack Arizona 71-43 at Gill. Bring on the crazy realtor!

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Interesting article about negative recruiting on espn. I know we have talked about this a few times in the past. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/14661315/negative-recruiting-alive-well

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    The re-tweet above of the video taken by Whetzel reminds me just how stunning OSU’s campus is. Takes me back to being 18 going on my summer tour. Once I set foot on campus I knew it was where I belonged. OSU is basically what I envisioned colleges were supposed to look like.

    I could really imagine it being a selling point for kids coming from urban areas who never really get to see trees, greenery. Kids who want a change of scenery. Kids who want a shot at getting into the league, but understand it’s a tough road so going to a place with less distractions where they can get their fall back.

    Just another fuck you to Corvallis being a shitty place to recruit to. Still feel GA is the guy who will continue to sell the vision the right way.

    Has anyone ever been to a more beautiful campus?

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      Have you been to pepperdine?

      https://thegingebinge.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/screen-shot-2011-09-08-at-8-31-32-am1.png

    • angry angry says:
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      The weather sucks, and the recruits seem to be taking notice. Luck o’ the Beavs

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        What you talkin’ bout Willis?

      • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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        So it rains in the winter. More excuses, drink, play video games, watch movies, and fraternize with the ladies. That’s how I’d sell it lol

        I know you’ve been out of Oregon for a while angry, but there has been a definite Weather shift the last few years and it’s been super nice from April – November. Maybe even as early as March. Seems like the birds are already flying back into town. Oregon weather has kicked ass the last couple years but I like the heat. A lot of my other native friends have actually been complaining that it doesn’t rain enough anymore. Portland: we’ll find a way to whine no matter what.

        • angry angry says:
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          Yeah, my best friend lives in Portland so I hear all about it, and I’ve been up there recently.
          I like Corvallis/Oregon weather; I’m just noting recruits might not.

          BTW, I dislike Portland [culture] more every time I go. The self-awareness in that city gets to me.

      • Gobeavers92 says:
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        It’s January in Oregon Luck has nothing to do with it.

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