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Pac-12 Tournament: Oregon State vs Colorado

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Pretty incredible feet for them to get here, so I think it warrants a dedicated thread.

I won’t be able to watch the entire game, but I’ll be checking in as much as possible. Already prepped for heartbreak and don’t expect much tonight…lol.

Go Beavs!

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    Angry, to answer your previous question: it’s about as realistic to expect a win as it was against UCLA and Nike. Odds are probably better than against Oregon.

    Statistically, Colorado is the better team. They’re a good shooting team and good defenders. We played them tough in a close loss at home, but got blown out in Boulder (IIRC there were some fatigue circumstances with that away game.)

  2. Looking again at automatic qualifiers, there’s a good chance we avoid the play-in round altogether if we win tonight.

  3. MBB/WBB: How about the Beav Gals? Not to detract from the Guys, but here is some good stuff from Rueck. He mentions Massey rating as was brought up here not long ago.
    His answer to the question of where the Beavs belong in the Dance could apply to Tinkle’s guys as well:“… you can judge us for the way we’ve performed and the team that we are. And what do your eyes see?
    “How many teams are going to go into Pauley and probably win?” … “How many teams are going to go to Oregon and win? How many teams are going to go beat Oregon again in a neutral site game …” “…we deserve to be where the teams that are capable of doing that are,”

    So, where do the guys belong to be seeded? And the Gals?

    https://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/basketball/osu-women-what-seed-should-beavers-get-in-ncaa-tourney/article_a9f6b385-14eb-5a1a-92fb-49f87fbdd19f.html

  4. If you’re the pac12, you want OSU to make it in. Increases the payout from the NCAA. It doesn’t look like any other team will be knocked out if the Beavs win.

    • Offense is starting to get out of whack, too. Not enough ball movement, a little too much forcing things by guys who shouldn’t be (like Calloo).

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    Good half. Colorado clearly knocked off their game by a great OSU defensive effort.

    McKinley Wright looks like he’s suffering from the head shot last night.

  6. Daschel tweets:
    “You know what that means? Beavers are 6-0 against conference opponents this season when they lead at halftime.”

  7. Credit where it’s due: Calloo keeps forcing things, but he’s 4-6 with 10 pts at the half, so it’s kind of working.

  8. Outside of the Beavs making a lot of threes, this game is fairly even. Beavs need to get to the line in the second half. That kind of 3 pt shooting won’t last all game.

    No Colorado player is in foul trouble. That needs to change.

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    It looks like Colorado’s game plan is not to let Lucas beat them, so he has to keep cool and not force things. Other players are going to need to continue to step up. I think Thompson will need to hit on some of those twisting drives also.

  10. Tinkle has been making the necessary halftime adjustments the past month. Let’s hope he keeps it up. Lucas and ET need to get going. Can’t complain about being ahead with Hunt and Calloo being the leading scorers.

  11. Wow, did the refs get some message that the Buffs need to win? Highly questionable calls. Colorado ahead 37-36. Thompson on the bench with three fouls.

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    This is the first I’ve watched Beav’s basketball all year. They make the basics look basic. Very unusual for a Beav basketball team.

  13. Wow, Beavs on a mini-run with Ethan on the bench, up 49-41 with about 11 minutes left. Tinkle needs to keep Andela in the game. Not sure why the sporadic playing time tonight?

  14. Watching this team tonight, it feels like a complete 180 from past seasons. Every guy that comes into the game, no matter how little they’ve played, wants the ball and wants to score. It’s not just a few headliners and the supporting cast.

  15. Well, I guess I have egg on my face Calloo just hit another three. Would like to see Andela in soon for his rebounding and defense.

  16. I’m sayin it…..

    The Beavers are goin to the NCAA tournament!

    Great job guys. I’ll take back everything I said about you all sucking.

    And Wayne Tinkle deserved to be PAC-12 COY.

  17. Bizarro world when I think about it. Possibly the best fucking foul shooting team in the HISTORY of college basketball just went 12-20, 60% from the line. Luck O’ the Beavs in a positive sense for once!

  18. Compared to what this team looked like at the beginning of the year and how they looked these last 3 games I think credit has to go to Tinkle
    they just beat UCLA, oregon and Colorado. Nobody could have thought that early on. This team has come along way.

    • Dude. My first game watching was that blowout loss at Gill to Arizona.

      And I wrote a scathing post here about this team and coaching staff. I’ve been extremely critical of Tinkle. He’s earned a pass with me for now.

      This is a nice gift I wasn’t expecting. But for me personally I need to see more consistency from this coaching staff and program.

      Now, go get a W in the big dance!

  19. Beavs let it ride in Vegas. Likely in the first 4 games of the tourney.

    Tinkle will get an extension this off-season. Likely adding 3 years to his current deal. But he does need to improve the consistency of the team. The team is always having to come from behind in the standings or blows enough games to miss consideration. Would be nice to be comfortably into the tourney.

  20. If the glass slipper fits…

    This certainly makes up for baseball getting blown out by the ducks.

    Who’s putting money on the Beavs to win the whole thing? Should be a nice payout :)

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      That ball fake and the easy layup was so slick. Hopefully we get to have Alitishe for two more years. His game doesn’t translate to the NBA so it would be nice for him to stay.

      • Liked his response after. Not over reacting, getting back down the floor and focused.

        I suspect GP would appreciate that move.

  21. Wouldn’t it be something if Lunardi’s bracket I linked came to fruition? And the 12 and 13 seeds pulled off upsets?

    We’d get a 2nd round matchup with former beaver coach Ritchie McKay and his Liberty Flames

  22. For those who suddenly have new interest in the NCAA tournament this year, join the Beavrecruiting bracket challenge. You can fill out 2 separate brackets, so I expect to see several with OSU winning it all.

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  23. Great win and it’s been fun watching them develop over the season. Wasn’t there four turds games they lost in the pre-conference where they blew a big lead? And why is Gary Payton wearing a UCLA blue track suit?

  24. I thought it was interesting that they built the lead back up in the second half with Thompson on the bench. It was basically players that will be back next year (I’m assuming Thompson leaves). They have not fallen apart when he goes off the court. They also finished off UCLA after he fouled out. Maybe they have a core that can keep improving for next year?

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      Wish tinkle would have stop favoring the coaches kids before McLaughlin left. McLaughlin could have been the point guard we need

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        McLaughlin didn’t leave because of Tinkle. He left because he was traumatized by a terrorist attack he witnessed in Europe when the Beavs were on a preseason trip there. Had PSTD and the NCAA granted him a waiver when he transferred

    • It would only be appropriate, given what #12 has meant to this team. Saw Nike printed 12 on the inside collar of their post season jersies to remind them of the media picking them to finish last in the Pac

      • The only things left to witness on my sports related bucket list (after the Dodgers finally won a World Series last fall) are a tournament win (a deep run would be sweet) and the Beavs playing in the Rose Bowl game. I can be satisfied with the sports world and die in peace if I could witness those last two events.

        I agree that being a 12 seed would only be fitting.

        I didn’t think these guys had it in them to pull it off. But they did. Gotta give credit where it’s due and happy to be wrong.

  25. An incredible achievement for the entire program. Really happy for everyone gutting it out. Should put some butts in the seats next year. I still think an extension would be a bad idea at this point. Even if Tinkle left for another job – I don’t think you’d have to break the bank to get a good replacement (might be harsh right now – but maybe some coaches who might not have thought they could win in Corvallis would give it another look).

  26. Great job by the Beavs. It is interesting that he makes the tourney with GP2 but unable to get back until the sons are nearly gone.

    No extension yet, but he may be a better coach after all of the sons are gone: team chemistry, coaching consistency, trust among the players etc are all real factors that make playing alongside a coach’s son difficult. Hopefully this is a foreshadow of the program turning the corner and becoming considerably more competitive going forward.

    • He’s getting an extension. He has two years left on his deal. Expires in the 22/23 season. I would expect at least two years added on through the 24/25 season. Gives him 4 seasons to make the tourney again.

  27. I’m having a hard time coming up with who would hire Tinkle away from us.

    The big question is can he coach a team that’s able to sustain a championship mindset for the whole season? We’ve had good back halves and good front halves of a season, but they need to put it all together.

    Expectations will be higher next year.

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      Some people are in denial of this success. Wanted tinkle gone all year but can’t get themselves to accept he’s getting an extension.

      He didn’t do just good enough to get an extension like the last time. He accomplished the goal of making the tourney and earned an extension.

      • No one is in denial. We’re all excited. But it’s difficult to balance a good 8-10 game stretch against 5 years of mediocrity.

        If Tinkle can extrapolate this team’s tourney identity as tough defenders into a program identity, I think the Tinkle bandwagon will grow significantly.

      • Hopefully, you noticed I was being sarcastic. As a many decades follower of Beaver hoops, I am thrilled at the championship, but I don’t want another 4-5 years of mediocrity after this. I think that’s a reasonable expectation.

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    Re: next year, losing ET’s production is not a small thing. Hunt is the current heir apparent to his starting spot, but he doesn’t have the same kind of game inside the key as ET.

    The two new guards coming in:
    Key-Malone looks like he has a similar offensive skillset to ET, though he’s a below average FT shooter. He scored 12 per game at FDU; if Tinkle can teach him how to shoot FT’s, he could improve that to 14-15. He’s described as “insanely athletic” and he’s a 35% 3-pt shooter. At the very least, he should give us a deeper guard rotation.

    Davis seems to be under the impression he’s going to come in and be the man. He’s putting up some insane numbers at the JC level, 5 double-digit assist games, 9 games with 25+ points, and an average of 3 steals per game. So that’s why he was the top-rated JC guard. He’s a good, but not great 3-point shooter like Key-Malone, so those points are mostly coming closer the basket. Sounds like he could be a good drive and dish combo guard to pair with Lucas.

    • Also, the offer lists look pretty good for both. We beat out Florida, Georgia and a few others for Key-Malone and Seton Hall for Davis.

    • Wonder if ET gets motivated to come back after this tournament run? He seems to be having fun.
      Not sure he’s draftable so it might be his best option.

      • The media keeps saying Sliva is back for sure. Reichle is up in the air. ET is gone. I guess ET could stay one more year, he’s only been here four. Time to go for his Ph.D.? I’ve been one to criticize the play at times, but these guys are stellar students and outstanding representatives of the university. That counts for a ton!

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      Seems like Altishe could be unstoppable if they consistently run plays for him. He can always just jump over people to get a look at the basket. If he becomes a focal point of the offense, he needs to improve his foul shooting and an outside shoot. Calloo has a lot of potential, needs to get tougher on the boards and defense, but he can shoot a three at any time because of his height. I love Andela and his toughness, I’m not sure why he played so little last night? Tinkle went with the outside shooting of Calloo and it worked, but if the Beavs had lost, one could point to the offensive boards advantage Colorado had

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        Alatishe needs to improve his mid-range game. If he does, he’ll be first-team all-PAC. I didn’t realize he hadn’t been playing basketball for very long; that gives some hope for a Jake Lutonesque late career improvement.

        The only explanation I could think of for the rotations was fatigue after the previous two games.

        Looking at next year’s potential roster, it looks like either Silver or Franklin would replace Reichle. That’s a bit dicey because neither has much game experience.

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        Not a fan of Calloo–if his first shot goes in, good luck trying to get the ball back from him again. Very appreciative of his efforts though last night. rotation last night was strange, but they know more than I do.

  29. Both Lunardi and Katz have us playing Villanova in a first round 5/12 matchup. It seems like the brackets will be more predictable this year because they’re more based on rankings than geography.

    Villanova would be a decent matchup for us because they play a slower tempo like we do and they rely heavily on 3’s (which we defend better than anyone in the P12).

    • They also lost their starting point guard and seem in a downward spiral since then. Always a tough out though and experienced coach.

    • Actually Lunardi has us playing Texas Tech now. That wouldn’t be quite as good a matchup because they’re really good defensively and they rely more on their inside game, but they also play lower scoring games. We would need to win with 3’s.

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    Listened to tinkles post game press conference on pac 12 app. I really like him as a person. Talked about how his faith has grown this year and that they have always preached life lessons to their kids and even more so this year with all of the challenges. I wish he’d win more but at least he isn’t an embarrassment. Maybe this is turning the corner. Underclassmen have bought in and will carry forward these ethics. You know barnes is going to extend him. He has handed out extensions for much less.

    • Unpopular opinion (barring total disasters like Andersen) I think we fans get a little impatient. And sometimes schools see something we don’t.

      The resume isn’t stellar but since Ralph Miller this program has been truly a disaster. Tinkle has now gotten the team to 2 NCAA tournaments and has won a conference tournament championship since he got here. Given the prior history that’s pretty good.

      Sometimes patience is the way and rather Tinkle is the guy or not it’s hard to dispute a period better in 3 decades.

      It’s hard to build a program in college basketball today. It takes time.

      I of course reserve the right to call for his head next week!

  31. Congrats to the Beavs, and especially coach Tinkle. The confidence gained from winning against quality opponents when everything is on the line is what the program needed to start to turn the corner.

    The next step is a win in the tournament. Haven’t had one since ’82.

      • Make it an ugly game and make just enough shots. Many guys stepped up and made shots. Get a little from Andela, Silva, Calloo, etc. Can’t count on Thompson but maybe he will play loose and have himself a game.

  32. Tennessee is probably the toughest of the 5 seed matchups we could have drawn.

    BUT, if we win we get a classic OSU grudge match against either Ritchie McKay or those orange and black imposters from Oklahoma.

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    Man, this Tennessee draw is really rough. They have two first-round draft picks at the guard positions and they’re one of the best teams in the country at forcing turnovers. Kind of hard to believe they have the same seed as Colorado.

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    Not going to link it but per Daschel at the Oregonian, Tinkle has a NCAA tournament clause that extends his contract by a year if he makes it. Contract will now be for 3 more years. They will negotiate terms and if they can’t reach an agreement, terms mirror the last year of the contract. Seems like a win/win as OSU won’t overreact and extend him and Tinkle will likely stay. If he can’t dance in 3 more years, no problem letting him go.

  35. Alright, here are the reasons for optimism I dredged up while doing my bracket research:

    -The biggest is probably the likely absence of Forward John Fulkerson. Of their postseason chances, before the SEC tourney Rocky Top Talk said “One thing is clear — this team needs John Fulkerson operating at a high level.” After that double elbow he sustained, Rick Barnes said he would be surprised if Fulkerson plays. Could just be coach talk, but it’s very possible UT will be missing a key piece. They also had two other guys in the regular rotation who have been battling injuries for the last month.

    -Despite having future NBA draft picks at the guard positions, UT actually has a pretty mediocre 3pt% (lower than the Beavs). One article I read said the team has an unhealthy love affair with the 3. This could play into the Beavs strength defending 3-pt shooting teams.

    -UT is a relatively small team and not a great rebounding bunch. They can nullify this somewhat by shooting a lot of 3’s, but Alatishe needs to be his usual self on the offensive boards. The only team we didn’t beat in the conference was Arizona, who’s easily the best rebounding team in the conference. We’ve beaten teams with similar strengths to UT’s, we just haven’t played guards as talented as theirs.

    So a Beaver win is going to involve winning the battle on the boards and defending inside the arc well so UT settles for 3’s. Simplistically, they’re an even better version of the type of team we beat twice in the tournament. I’m still picking UT to win, but the narrative around them is that they’re talented, but inconsistent, so they could be ripe for an upset.

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      Appreciate the analysis. Here’s where we see if WT can really coach. Easy to game plan against teams you see twice a year with the same staffs for multiple years. Unknown team in a foreign environment, totally different animal. At least he has some CU tape on them to reference.

      • Any idea of what, if any, contacts Tinkle has with coaches who have faced Tenn this year? Not uncommon for good contacts to yield actionable nuggets.

  36. I skimmed through youtube full game highlights of the OSU/CU and TENN/BAMA games from this weekend.
    It’s pretty glaring how much more athletic those SEC athletes are. And they can get up and down the floor pretty quickly.
    Was hard to get a feel for Tennessee’s shooting and offensive flow because this was pretty much all offensive highlights, but they look like they’ll be a handful. Hopefully we aren’t hesitant on offense and we can take care of the ball on the big stage because Tennessee looks like a team poised to take advantage of turnovers. Silva could be a weapon down low if he can get good entry passes. He’ll be the biggest guy out there by a good 3-4 inches in most cases.

    • Yeah, ball security is a concern. Our turnover numbers this year were good, but partially because P12 teams in general don’t force a lot of turnovers. The ones that do (ASU and Oregon) were successful in getting us to turn it over at a high rate. We still won 3 of our 5 games against those teams, though, so it’s not like we can’t win those kinds of games.

  37. It’s all about the matchups in the tourney. Tenn runs a four guard lineup and now they are likely to be without their starting forward. So they may go with a 5 guard lineup. Very limited experience with the remaining frontcourt players.

    Advantages for the beavs will be size inside. Silva, Alitshe and Andela could have career days. But Andela and silva could be liabilities on defense if they have to chase guards around. Alabama’s big man had a great day in the sec title game.

    So the game will come down to who can force the other team to play their game. Beavs need to pound the paint and crash the boards on offense. On defense, might have to go to a matchup zone and make Tenn shoot over the zone. They aren’t a great deep ball team but Tenn could run them out of the gym if they push the tempo in transition.

    Likely the Beavs won’t be able to keep up their 3 point shooting so getting looks around the bucket will be key.

    The odd stat would be that Tenn is on the plus side of rebounding for the year even though they play 4 guards.

    Beavs win if they can use the size advantage to get Tenn into foul trouble early. Not much depth behind the first 6 guys, assuming their forward doesn’t play.

    I don’t see a close game, it’s either Tennessee runs away from the Beavs or the Beavs overpower Tennessee.

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