13.Dec.2011 Basketball: UIC @ Oregon State

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JackBeav:

I remember the death of Hank Gathers like it was yesterday. He threw down a tomahawk dunk during a WCC Tourney game against Portland, and as he was trotting back down the court he stumbled then fell to the ground in a heap. He was conscious for a couple seconds and saying something to the trainers at his side before succumbing to a major cardiac arrhythmia caused by hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

It was truly a sad day in college hoops. Gathers had been diagnosed with the condition previously, and he was on medication to correct it. There were later stories that he was allowed to regulate his own medication to the point where he wasn’t taking it on game days. But that’s another story. I can remember the faces of players like Bo Kimble and Eric Spoelstra as they flashed first confusion, then shock, then sadness. The reality of the event might have taken more time to really sink in, but it was still a reality. And everyone involved knew what it was.

The immediate result was a cancellation of the remainder of the WCC Tourney. And Loyola Marymount was granted the league’s automatic NCAA berth due to their regular season championship. And their subsequent run to the Elite Eight before being knocked out by eventual champs UNLV would become another legend in NCAA Tourney lore.

We OSU fans had the luxury of being able to watch that run since Ball State decided to make that the one year in their history to make a Sweet Sixteen appearance. I remember being happy when they pumped defending champs Michigan to make the Sweet Sixteen then eked by Wimp Sanderson’s Alabama club to make the regional finals. I don’t think anyone held out much hope that they win against an absolutely stacked UNLV team. But I’m pretty sure just about everyone who watched that game were cheering for LMU.

The point of all this is that Loyola Marymount was allowed almost a week and a half to mourn the loss of their friend and teammate. They took part in a highly publicized and well attended service in Philadelphia to lay their friend to rest. And they took that time to come together as a team with a purpose.

It was unrealistic to expect the Beavs to do the same two days after the sudden loss of their friend Fred Thompson. Watching their game against Idaho was a painful exercise in just going through the motions. And I don’t know if it’s fair to expect anything of our boys in tonight’s match-up versus UIC.

But in the interest of sport, the show must go on. We can only hope that those who knew Fred well and felt his loss most deeply can incorporate the goodness of a heart that was truly too large for this world and move forward with their lives.

It just takes time.

So I hesitate to lay any real expectations on the Beavs for this game. What would be a speed bump under normal circumstances can turn into another Idaho. Though Idaho’s strengths played directly into the Beavs’ malaise, UIC doesn’t have quite the same skill. They can shoot from the outside when not challenged, but they are small and play with an even smaller rotation.

Junior guards Gary Talton (6’1″) and Daniel Barnes (6’2″) and frosh Marc Brown (6’4″) will play the most minutes of anyone on the team barring foul trouble or injury. While all three like to throw it up from deep, Barnes and Brown are the two to check for that phase of the game. Talton is more of a slasher and facilitator, though Brown will do enough to get to the line as well. As those three play, so does UIC. They will be spelled briefly by frosh Greg Travis (6’0″) and senior Matt Bush (6’4″), but they will be relied upon heavily for any team success. Their weakness will be ball security. Talton will drop the ball under pressure, and Brown does not make good decisions if his shot is taken away. Barnes is the most patient of the three, and he poses a decent defensive threat as well. Stopping all three will be difficult, but shutting two of them down should make them wilt.

UIC’s front line is very small. Soph Hayden Humes (6’8″) will play the big wing, and senior Darrin Williams (6’9″) will play the post. Humes is the better all around big, rebounding on both ends, shooting fairly well and even stepping beyond the arc from time to time. He has played well enough early on to replace Paris Carter (6’7″) in the starting line-up. Williams is a space eater who tilts the floor to the offensive end. Williams shoots the higher percentage shots, and he will collect boards if he’s not moved off the blocks. But he slows down as the game wears on, and Carter seems to be the only relief off the bench. If these three run into foul trouble, there’s not much help coming off the bench.

UIC will attempt to slow this game to a snail’s pace. When the score rises into the 60+ point range, they just do not do well.  I don’t know if the Beavs will show up for this game. My thought is they will. But even if they don’t, a more than non-existent effort will likely put more than 60 on this UIC team. Likely the Beavs come out a little rough then shut UIC down for a long spell before coming up for some air. Some rough patches will keep the score closer than the actual game will appear. But I don’t think the Beavs allow a second game to pass without effort.

Beavs 74 – UIC 56

Note: UIC is led by second year coach Howard Moore. You should recognize Moore’s name as one of the Wisconsin players in the mid-90′s who took that program to their first NCAA appearance since the NCAA became the premiere college hoops tourney in 1950.

Angry

Good points by Jack. Versus Idaho, the Beavers were not themselves. Jared Cunningham appeared the most affected. I was wrong to believe they'd "win one for Fred". In retrospect, that was naive reasoning (easy to do when you're far removed from the situation).

The question now: is four days enough time to cope? I have never lost a close friend, so I can't pretend to know. All I know is that two days clearly wasn't enough time. When, how, where, or why the team eventually heals, copes, and wins a game is impossible to speculate. I'll understand if they lose tonight. And I'll be glad (as a fan, and for them) if they win. It's weird how at this point it's not about X's or O's. There will be a time to criticize this team if they can't cope, but tonight isn't the time. It doesn't feel right; I think they deserve another few weeks. That being said, overcoming adversity is a hallmark of every great squad, so if they can somehow gut out a win tonight, then not only should fans reignite belief in these guys, but maybe even raise the bar.

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  • homefry homefry says:
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    Speaking from personal experience-closure/recovery period is undefined…

    That said, if you want a read on how those who follow this for a living think, I just pulled up my online book-

    Beavs are -18 (a Jack Beav line?) and more interestingly -3425 on the Moneyline (that’s $3425 bet to win $100!)

    Conversely, UIC is bet $100 to win $1625…nice profit margin for the books

    • angry angry says:
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      -18 seems high.
      Gun to my head, I’d take UIC to cover/Beavs to win.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    Stream?

  • BeavMonkey says:
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    I told you guys that the beavers would lose games that they shouldn’t. Those of you saying they were a top 25 team… I hate to say it, but I told you so…

    It is, after all, an OSU team. Which one doesn’t?

    That said, we have better than an even shot at winning this game. Not a 16:1 chance, but still, a good chance.

    • john says:
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      f off dude top 25 teams lose games like Idaho all the time. One loss to Idaho doesn’t mean they aren’t top 25, top 30 or whatever.

      • beavers4life says:
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        You’re exactly right, Basketball is totally different than football…it’s more like baseball really. Good team WILL lose to decent to good/great teams. it’s inevitable! It WILL and DOES happen. It’s disappointing sure, but they are playing WAAAY better tonight as a TEAM than they have all season I think. Burton is actually playing with fire and heads up play(minus the wide open 3 pointer by staring off in space while the guy he’s supposed to be guarding vacates the area for the easy open 3 point shot). Other than that, I think they play better against Man to Man vs the zone defenses because they RUN the man to man defense. So that will help them be able to break the opponents defenses spirits easily.

        • BeavMonkey says:
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          I understand the passing of Fred Thompson was a tragedy. That said, consistency is a big deal.

          okay clowns, you win this one. Until they lose one of the next two then. Seriously, I’ll eat my words if they make it to the top 25. But with people who choose to see it through orange colored glasses, a good season will be a good season.

  • Timber! says:
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    OK Beaver fans! Time to get excited again for another less talented team to shoot better, execute better and play more cohesively than the Beavs…woohooo!!!

    • slamadam says:
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      unfair to have that attitude. this team has been guilty of that once this year, and even coach robinson (whether you like him or not he’s not an excuse maker) said that the team was emotionally drained from the fred thompson tragedy. it had everything to do with it. and they have a six point lead going into the first media timeout. so you’re completely off base so far.

      • Timber! says:
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        their whole “plan” has little substance. They may hit some outside shots against some average teams once in a while but that’s about it.

    • brownale9000 says:
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      Boy, you really nailed this one today.

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    “What they’re trying to do now is Iso joe burton.”

    Shoot me now.

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    Amazing pass by Jared, great finish by Collier.

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    Starks was mad that he didn’t have a shot in the first two minutes.

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    BERTO!!!

    A pair of 3s. Sick.

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    Starks dribbles around and then jacks up a bad jumper. Straight-up Allen Iverson. Should not be starting.

    • slamadam says:
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      if nelson keeps playing like this im sure he’ll take starks’ spot by the start of conference play. it could be a benefit to ahmad because then he could take on a vinnie johnson type role off the bench, which suits him to a t.

  • slamadam says:
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    murphy doesn’t defend the baseline well.

  • angry angry says:
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    Looks like the Beavs will cover those 18 points after all.

  • FrustratedBeav says:
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    Nice first half. Nelson showing why he’s the team’s best playmaker and shooter. I don’t want to get too picky, but too many guys on the team are too hesitant to shoot. Nelson passes up too many open shots. He’s too good of a shooter to constantly turn down open shots. Brandt does the same. Brandt can drill threes but passes wide open looks a lot. Challe looked good. He’s really coming along. Love his potential.

    Moreland has been a beast. Playing great defense, rebounding and blocking shots. The Beavers haven’t had a guy who can consistently reject shots at the rim in quite a while.

  • SanDiegoBeav says:
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    First full game I have seen all year. The Beavs look good. Best athletes they have had since GP was here. I don’t understand the negativity from some of the posters.

    • OneEyedKing says:
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      Keep the quality of competition in mind 🙂

      • angry angry says:
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        Yeah, but last year they were losing to this type of team. This year they’re blowing them out. That’s a huge improvement.

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          Hell, two years ago they did actually lose to this team. I’ll take that progress anyday.

      • slamadam says:
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        theyre really bad, but its still impressive how easy its come tonight. these past years they wouldn’t have beat willamette near this badly.

    • angry angry says:
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      Me neither. This is the best Beaver team I’ve seen.

      Great to see them focused tonight. High intensity D, too.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Where are the fans?

  • VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    That continuation was almost from the half-court circle.

    Looks like the game’s been good so far. I just started watching (studying for a final exam that I’m going to fail anyway).

  • slamadam says:
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    uic’s full court press is a joke. theyre only going to make it worse

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    Nelson 5-for-7 on threes. Kid’s on fire tonight.

    Love OSU’s moves inside tonight. And when UIC packs it in, OSU’s punishing them outside. Good shot selection.

  • angry angry says:
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    Moreland reminds me of Dennis Rodman.

    • OneEyedKing says:
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      Right now, I can see Jared, Angus, Roberto, and Moreland all playing in the NBA. That’s pretty astounding.

      • ean says:
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        I’d throw Collier into that mix too but they all are going to have to improve a lot to get to the next level.

    • SanDiegoBeav says:
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      Eric “the Worm” Moreland? I wish that sounded better. Not too catchy of a nickname unfortunately.

  • beavers4life says:
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    Considering that the Simonton on the court is white and Ken Simonton was black…ya, that’s a good indication that the two people are NOT related.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    I like the follow up work, getting a steal when Illinois is sloppy after a missed OSU shot, put backs, finishing, and making FTs. They’re blowing them out but still playing sound.

    Nelson looks ridiculous, like he just keeps backing up and wants to hit one from the next zip code…

  • slamadam says:
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    mcshane should never shoot ever. id rather take a shot clock violation then have him shoot to save him the humiliation

    • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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      Everytime he touches the ball he looks like a pickup game played by computer engineers at Dixon. He just is not a D1 ball player.

  • beavers4life says:
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    When was the last time the Beavs scored over a 100 points in a non conference game?

  • angry angry says:
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    Lady Beavs win to go to 8-1 as well.

    Recruiting note: the big DT, Salt, isn’t going to be a Beaver. Quotes coming out that he didn’t feel at home on any of his visits thus far.

  • beavers4life says:
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    The reason why they dominated tonight was because they played as a team. When a player rebounded on defense, the player near by didn’t try to steal the ball from him like they did against Idaho. When they played Idaho, ALL of them played selfish basketball. Tonight…it was teamwork and unselfish play that won this game.

  • angry angry says:
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    Basketball dudes: would you say the Beavs run a “motion offense” with elements of the Princeton? That’s what it seems like to me. Still has that street ball feel. I’m wondering how that will translate against better competition. They can out-athlete UIC, but what about Oregon, Stanford, et al?

    If I’m Craig Robinson I’m giving Moreland Dennis Rodman film. He could be that guy if he wants it. I don’t see him as a scorer…ever.

    Robinson’s substitution patterns make a lot of sense. There’s always a nice mix of bigs/rebounders, dishers, and shooters. I think this is a byproduct of the roster maturing. But, he’s also improved as a coach. I wish they had more set plays, though.

    Overall great night. Biggest thing is they were focused and appeared to be “over” (in a business/basketball sense) the loss of their pal.

    • FrustratedBeav says:
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      Moreland could easily become a scorer. He has that potential. Just needs to work on posting up. Plus, he could develop a three point shot. He has a good form. Just needs to work on it.

      Oregon isn’t good, the Beavers are far superior athletically. The Beavers can out-athlete about 8 teams in the conference. The biggest key will be if Nelson and Starks can consistently hit threes. If they hit them like they did tonight, they will be really hard to beat. It will force teams to play man-to-man, this will allow the Beavers to eat teams alive. I don’t think there is a team that can truly handle the Beavers when they try to play OSU m-t-m.

      The Beavers also create a lot of offensive opportunities in the fast break.

    • brownale9000 says:
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      I think what you’re describing is an evolution from a more patterned version of the Princeton that Oregon State was running 3-4 years ago, to a more free-flowing version that allows more creativity and has fewer set plays. I think it’s due to the fact that we have more players who don’t suck and who are committed to passing the ball rather than jacking it up the first time they see the basket. So, yeah, I consider it the same thing: motion offense with Princeton influences.

      As for how it translates, I think we’ll be okay. We’re a LOT better than we ever have been under Robinson and he’s gone 20-34 in Pac-10 play – a seven win average. In that time, we’ve USUALLY handled the teams we should beat and snuck up and beaten a handful of teams we shouldn’t beat. I expect the same this season, but there are a couple more teams that we should be expected to beat. Having Utah and Colorado twice will help. Ten wins would be a minimum. I could see us winning 14 before the Pac-12 tourney.

      One thing I was a little concerned about going into this game was our rebounding. UIC came into the game as a top 15 rebounding team and it’s Oregon State’s biggest weakness. Tonight, we doubled them up. If that kind of effort continues on the glass, we’ll be pretty good in Pac-12 play. Good to see that and the obvious increase in passion on the court tonight.

    • bleedsorange says:
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      He’s a young coach…when people like to criticize him I always come back with “Coack K didn’t win his 1000th game after his 5th one”. Robinson has potential as a coach and he is turning this program around. If we get the practice facility I think we can keep Robinson here for a LONG time and get this program back to the upper echelon!

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        Does anybody ever reply “Coach K hasn’t won his 1000th game yet” ?

        Pretty sure he’s around 906 or 907 right now.

  • OrangeExpress says:
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    moreland, brandt, collier,nelson and cunningham – start these 5 and give them good minutes – with starks and burton off the bench and we’ll be tough to beat. moreland is instant rebounds/blocks, roberto – as streaky as he is i love his offensive skills – and is def more of a pure scorer than starks. this UIC team was piss poor but that is what good teams do to bad – blow them out. nice win for the orange and black…..

    • angry angry says:
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      Considering the Beavs were losing to teams like this last year, I consider the results superb. Not saying this is you, Orange Express, but some people want to detract because UIC is a bad team. Eh. Enjoy the moment, folks. Beavs did what they were supposed to do. There will be ample time to criticize once conference play begins. Tonight’s not the night.

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        We played this team last year at home and beat them by 20 pts. So is Oregon State roughly twice as good as they were last year since they won tonight by around 40?

  • issaquahbeav says:
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    Great game by the Beavs tonight. One question: Why did CR play JC all the way up until the end? Not a smart move when you’re up 40 points and he’s still slashing to the basket and risking injury.

    • sparkyd73 says:
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      Normally I would agree, however, Jared is struggling a bit with his outside shot and I think that is part of his minutes later.

  • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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    OT but did anyone else notice that coach Cav applied for the head coaching job at Hawaii as well? He didn’t make the final 3 (Banker did) but I was just wondering what everyone else thought about that? How would everyone feel id Banker poached Cav if/when he left?

    • angry angry says:
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      I’d be disappointed, but I’d get over it–there are plenty of good line coaches.
      Cav is a solid coach who was given crap with which to work. Some of that is his fault–he should have been out there finding talent. The current OL class is fantastic, and I have no issue with him being the guy coaching them up.

      • Afghanbeav Afghanbeav says:
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        That is my opinion as well. Odds on banker getting the job? Anyone got inside info?

    • JackBeav says:
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      Cav makes more as the o-line coach than he would as the Hawai’i OC. They’re strapped for cash right now. It’s not likely that Banker would take anyone with him unless they really wanted to go.

  • ean says:
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    I am sure people will miss my point and hate on me for this but I am really concerned about Cunningham’s 1 dimensional game. His mid range and 3 point games are weak. Once we play teams with guys capable of contesting shots at the rim I feel like it is really going to hurt us if we continue to rely on Cunnigham for so much of our offense. I feel like we need to run more stuff through Nelson. Also I don’t get why we run so few plays for Brandt. I saw we posted him last night some but I think we need to get him the ball on the outside. He is one of our best shooters and can draw bigs out of the lane (would really help Cunningham). It doesn’t make sense not to take advantage of Brandt’s skill set.

    • sparkyd73 says:
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      I’m not sure that “weak” is fair. I think inconsistent is a better description of it. Earlier in the year he was more confident and was hitting those shots at an acceptable rate. He is now in a major funk. I think either way, the team is not dependant on Jared hitting the outside shot. He is effective with his defense and his ability to get to the line. And if Berto and Starks can consistently hit the outside kickout shot, the offense will be effective. I would like to see a bit more use of the Bigs inside rather than them getting it most of the time 20 feet from the basket. Angus has a nice inside set of moves.

      • ean says:
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        that is fair… NBA scouts would call it weak but for the college game it is probably more fair to call it inconsistent. Brandt does have a smooth hook shot and can get around inside but I think not using him as a shooter is a mistake. Look at a team like Pheonix and the wonders they did with a stretch 4 like Channing Frye. The guy opened up a lot of stuff for his teamates and shot an extremely efficient % from outside. I just think if you are not going to take full advantage of Brandt’s skill set you might as well give more minutes to our best rebounder and shot blocker in Moreland.

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          It is interesting that Brandt often seems to start fast and then just fades to black as the game goes on. Some of it I think is his minutes get eaten by the other bigs. Burton is on the floor much more than Brandt, which is a bit of a surprise to me. Burton has looked much better to me than previous years, but I think Angus has more tools. I wonder if he has stamina issues.

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            I think Brandt’s rebounding keeps him off the floor some. 1 rebound every 8.3 minutes compared to Burton 4.8, Moreland 2.4, Collier 6.1. Shoot even a lot of the guards are out-rebounding Brandt. Plus while I cringe at Burton some times he is a great facilitator on a team that lacks a true PG (Barton might be a true PG but he doesn’t play much).

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      I tend to agree. Cunningham is an amazing athlete, but his offensive game needs some polish.

  • JackBeav says:
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    Still some rough spots, but they took the time to play some defense this game. And they were actually moving on offense. I know Idaho’s defense was so poor that our guys didn’t need to move much to get open shots, but the fact remains that the Beavs did nothing on offense except take those open shots against Idaho.

    It was really nice seeing them work that high post. They start getting the ball in the lane with this offense, and they will be deadly. Still need to learn the interior pass from the stripe, but this was the first game we could see everyone handling the ball at the high post, not just the usual pivots.

    For those who want to point to the level of competition, the Beavs play like this against Idaho and the result is the same… maybe 10 points closer. UIC looked bad because the Beavs showed up. Idaho looked good because they didn’t have to worry about anyone guarding them anywhere on the court, and they NEVER needed to actually run back on defense. The Beavs forced the issue against UIC, and they made them play OSU hoops. Idaho wasn’t even good enough to force an issue. They just took what the Beavs gave them.

    • ean says:
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      yeah but I think the Beavs are going to see a lot of zones… a lot of teams giving up the outside shot and protecting the basket. Idaho baited us in to shooting and that is the way to beat this team. Guys have to make shots. We have to play the zone busters in Nelson and Brandt… I am kind of curious to see what Murphy can do too.

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        I agree on Murphy, he intrigues me, but I think it is his D that is not getting him much time. I really think that we have to throw out the Idaho game, that was not the same team that I’ve seen the rest of the year. I think packing a zone against this year’s team will not be an effective ploy.

        • ean says:
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          Teams are going to do it though until the Beavs show consistently they can hit the outside shot. The Beavs are shooting 31.5% from 3 and opposing coaches are going to see that. I agree Murphy’s D is not great…. he seems fast but the guy he defends seems to always get by him with ease. Maybe if Gomis comes back and is the real deal on D we can afford to have Murphy out there more with a couple of mistake erasers in Moreland and Gomis.

          • sparkyd73 says:
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            I really would be surprised if Gomis is used this year, I think redshirt is likely.

          • ean says:
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            yeah he has been practicing but it sounds like a redshirt is likely.

          • sparkyd73 says:
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            Hard for a big guy like that to stay/get in game shape after leg problem.

          • ean says:
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            yeah it might make the most sense for his long term success to just redshirt him. It seem to me like there would be the potential to clog up the big rotation too. Next year will be interesting with all the big guys on the roster.

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          Murphy has a good stroke but slow feet. It’s why he’s bad on drives and defending. He could be a 3-point specialist at some point. Agree he’s intriguing in that I’d like to see him get more minutes to confirm/deny my suspicions.

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            plus robinson is on record as saying that they’ll need him to play rotation minutes in conference play. (can’t remember where i saw the quote, sorry) not sure if i agree or not, he looks stuck in cement on defense, but he could be a weapon against teams that play zone.

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        OSU is fine against the zone if they just pass the ball. Idaho didn’t bait anyone. They were so lost on defense that you couldn’t tell what they were running. I don’t care if a team comes out and plays with zero focus like the Beavs did against them, you still try to cover people. Idaho’s D was worse than our effort… and they were trying.

        The Idaho game shows in the stat line. Do we really think Collier was dominated on the glass? Do we really think the Beavs don’t have speed enough to score more than zero transition points? Do we really think Jared is an O-fer player who can’t even make a dunk?

        People need to get real about the Idaho game. It was worse than a poor effort for the Beavs. it was zero effort. They didn’t want to play, so they didn’t play. UIC would have likely won that game on Friday.

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          I am not basing it all on the Idaho game… please don’t get hung up on the minutia when discussing the bigger picture.

          • JackBeav says:
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            There was nothing to take from the Idaho game. That’s the point. There wasn’t even a baby in the bath. So we can’t even talk about not throwing it out with the bath water.

            If the Beavs play against UIC like they did against Idaho, UIC looks like Idaho did… and vice versa. Neither of those two teams did anything which warrants control of either game. They both just showed up and took what the Beavs gave them.

          • ean says:
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            my main point is teams are going to make the Beaver’s prove they can make shots and to say 31.5% from downtown is proof is not right.

          • JackBeav says:
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            Throw out the 3-23 on Friday. If the Beavs shoot even a pathetic 31% from outside in that game, they likely escape with a win. That’s how poor the focus was and how much of an outlier that game was. If future opponents take use that game as a scouting tool, then they will be sorely miscalculating what they face in a Beavs team which only has a poor night, not one where they don’t even show up in any phase of the game, let alone their perimeter shooting.

          • ean says:
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            throw that out they are still shooting 34.5% against mostly inferior competition. I am not saying this is a bad team just saying it is cause for concern. I realize you are the eternal optomist but I think even you can recognize the potential for it to cost us games.

          • gobeavs says:
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            Youre right to say that shooting will likely cost us a few games but then again, shooting will likely cost every ncaa team a few games this year

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Hey, any team having a bad night shooting, and it may cost the game– whats the point?

            To me the real point in not showing up last friday is the lack of defense and points therefrom (is that a word?). This OSU team can play D. That is a bottom line. So even on a bad shooting night, which happens to any team, they give themselves a chance to win by playing that hard D, and we have seen that happen already this year.

            As to conference play, this looks like a year to crank it on, as the conference looks weak. We should feel like we can beat any conference team out there — this could be a really good year.

            As to Moreland training to be a Dennis Rodman, hey, give the kid a chance to develop his shooting. He grew a lot in recent years and his coordination is surely still catching up.

          • JackBeav says:
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            Optimist? More like realist. This team is primed. That 34-35% is actually a nice number for non-con games, as long as it’s rising. 36.5% is average. 32% is about where we’ve been forever. 39% is great. If teams want to look at our 31.5% from beyond the arc and let us shoot, more power to them. I’ll take that win every time. Their poor scouting is our bounty. Competition hardly matters. In fact, some would say that better shooting teams bring out better shooting performances from even poor shooting teams… a sort of playing to the opposition’s level philosophy.

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