Just got in. Game thread!
Beavers have looked real good but the last few minutes Burton has been awful.
The thing about Burton that frustrates me is when he plays within himself he plays so well, then he has stretches where he thinks he’s much better than he really is and hurts the team.
OSU had a big lead but it sounds like Burton has pissed that away almost all by himself. At least that’s what it sounds like.
Burton has turned it over, blown some defensive assignments and has thrown up some wild shots. He’s made some great decisions and great passes. Typical Burton game. He’s had great stretches and really bad stretches.
Thanks. Listening to the Stanford broadcast just to see what the enemy has to say. They’re not nearly as professional as the Cal guys but not real bad.
The thing I find interesting about both the Cal and the ‘furd broadcasts is they have an announcer and an analyst. The analyst gives insight as to what’s happening. More information being passed along vs the OSU broadcast where it’s just a guy calling the game.
The play by play is important when on the radio because the one thing I love about Mike Parker is that he catches you up if you’ve been away from the action every 5-20 minutes depending upon the sport. To me as a fan, I want to be painted a picture as if I was there at the game! Not a tv analyst on a radio broadcast. If you listen to Jerry Allen and company, they are more tv analysts than play by play. Mike Parker is play by play….there’s a big difference!
Like I said, I feel I’ve gotten more information from the 2 announcer teams than I get from Parker. More insight.
are there any streams to watch this game? no ROOT sports for me 🙁
Anyone know why we have so many more fouls than Stan? We had like 11 or 12 in the first half and have two already. The tree has like 5 all game…
14 to 9 per yahoo sports box score
According to the Stanford radio announcers OSU is playing a very aggressive D.
The Stanford announcers sound like college kids where as the Cal team sounded more professional.
Are they going to choke doing the stretch tonight?
Beavers main issue is rebounding still. They have capable guys but they’re just lazy. Too much standing and watching.
Better not. I say they come through with the sweep!
Just following gametracker, how many missed layups is that for Burton tonight?
That was a critical miss on the FT by Collier (although he has been much better tonight)
3PT shooting ORST 5-13 (.385)
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
It was 5-9 earlier… I love that our team has more shooters this year but I hate the reliance on the 3. On the flip side we have 36 pts in the paint…
And Nelson hit back to back with only one shoe.
What really sucks is that Stan has made 10 treys tonight. They were started out really poor from the arc and then got really hot.
Stan has 12 offensive boards!
Gage just fouled out, is that good for us?
Who da hell is guarding Bright? Are the Beavs playing man or a zone?
Collier’s offensive foul is a big play in the game. He had Jared Cunningham open on the fast break for a lay-up and made the selfish decision to just run a Stanford player down for an offensive foul. That’s the difference between having the lead and not having the lead like they do now.
He has also missed a few critical FTs. He started out 5-5 and has been less than .500 since.
Yeah, all he had to do was slow down a bit.
Probably getting Collier more minutes with the starters might give him more chemistry on those types of plays.
Selfish plays by the Beavers really hurting them.
Our shooting percentage was nearly 60% at the half, now we are down to 50%. We are essentially missing every key shot down the stretch.
That and Stanford starting hitting 3s, now 10-18.
Now how big is the missed call when Brandt was fouled on the 3 and they only gave him 2?
Can’t believe we led most of the game and now we are playing catch up.
Beavers inability to grab a rebound hurting them. So many times tonight they’ve had the ball in their hands but just couldn’t control it. Got to hold onto the ball.
had to get that board. no block out
Beavers with a chance to take the lead with 24 seconds left. Wow.
Back to back offensive boards…
@#$%^*& Free throws!!!
Well, I will be really happy if we win this game but we definitely don’t deserve it. I am already revising my expectations. We are not an NCAA team, they just don’t have the focus/effort.
Wow, definitely wrote the lack of focus thing before the missed FTs. Yup, rough season ahead folks.
Wow looks too late to me
Moreland with a just idiotic play. Unbelievable.
Beavers catch an enormous break!
Moreland and Brandt with chances to redeem themselves.
The refs got it right. Light was red and still on his fingertips.
Jared can’t throw that pass that hard and expect it to be caught, second time tonight
If only the Beavs could finish…
Brandt 1 of 4 for the last 4 free throws. Choke or perhaps tired?
That basket was with Burton defending.
Collier with monster D
Devon Collier with the play of the year.
That was a foul, they swallowed the whistle.
Well Burton screwed us.
You take out Collier and Moreland but you keep Burton?
Just awful officiating here.
Its Pac-12, what do you expect?
They better box out here.
I wish I could see this. Oh well.
Starks went way too soon and was not the right guy to be handling the ball.
We don’t deserve to win this game. So many brutal chokes.
And WHY IS BURTON IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps a choke by the coach?
Best possible outcome based on the way they played in the last minute.
This game is intense.
Stanford now has the largest lead they’ve had all game.
Can’t believe CR calls a TO.
Starks eating every possession; fine when we run a pick-and-roll, terrible when he jacks up a jumper.
If Jared can’t dribble or shoot because of his fingers, he shouldn’t be in on offense. Roberto should just be in the game anyway though. Bad subs.
It’s frustrating that Roberto has not been getting the ball or been in the game much. He’s the best shooter and has made a lot of good plays.
When it’s almost too late the Beavs finally work for the shot and get the 2s.
This game has not been easy on my heart.
Good subsitution there!
BEAUTIFUL substitutions by CR, btw. Puts Burton and Roberto in on offense, and we score. Puts Moreland and Collier in on D and we get a steal. Nice work.
Yes he is a fucking genius
That should have been the end of the 1st OT play.
Moreland needs to just hold onto a damn rebound!!!!!!
SNEAKY inbound play just crushed us there. As have their several offensive rebounds combined with no-calls on loose ball situations.
As I type, Joe misses the first FT because he sucks. Badly.
Game on the line and Burton and Brandt miss FT
This is killing me.
My blood pressure isn’t doing real well. $%^*()!@
That is 2 OTs and regulation where we missed FTs in the last minute that would win the game. Only Jared has hit his consistently.
BTW, that inbound play is ALL on CR; he left Burton in on defense, and they threw it right over his head. Bad sub after several good ones.
That was more about Starks lack of size. Dude caught it right over the top of Starks and had a lay-up
Is there rhyme or reason on when the officials use replay?
Glad to see Mr. Bright foul out.
Bright out should help
$%^&*(# Free throws
Finally Moreland with a board
So they go for and #$%^& 3 instead of working it in for a 2
Starks AIR BALL!!!!!!
Man they had their chances, now 4 OT
Holy shit 4 OT!
I can’t believe that 3 went in.
If Jared is going to run the O, Starks should be out for Roberto; Nelson is a much better set shooter. And Starks is cold from the field; I don’t remember his last jumper.
This game is ridiculous.
use the timeout and draw up a play. I believe that is twice now.
Starks gets eaten alive by another screen. For the hundredth time.
Yes cr is a fucking genius
1. Maybe Roberto should Play with both shoes off
2. Not sure I understand an offensive scheme where we screw around with the ball at the top of the key for 27 seconds than try some wild iso drive into a crowd hoping a shot will fall or we put marginal ft shooters on the line.
Who’s guarding Randle or is OSU playing zone?
And Starks’ man scores on him again. They found their bitch.
Momentum not in our favor.
Berto to check in but too late to help
OSU casting off from 3 land.
Dawkins bails us out by calling time out
Beavers have no legs left
Now Starks wants to be the hero, jacking up a 3. Please, God, sub his ass out.
I know you love your Chicago street-ballers, Craig, but Starks is killing us right now.
Imo the team is not playing with discipline and that’s on CR.
The team is tired. When you’re exhausted you make a lot of mistakes. Beavers have been having a lot of full court pressure on Stanford, causing more wear on their legs than Stanford’s to this point.
Cunningham looks a little lost too.
Can’t wAit to read brilliant cr insight tomorrow.
Not every single that happens is cause of Craig.
Jared misses his 94th jumper of the game, and that should be it.
Maybe the worst game I’ve ever seen him play.
He hasn’t played badly. He’s exhausted, those shots won’t go down when he’s tired. He’s made some outside shots.
Then why doesn’t CR take him out?
He was missing those jumpers all game; it’s not a fatigue issue, it’s a “He’s not a good shooter” issue.
Collier is back, and Roberto is in. That’s 2 sets of fresh legs, and now we’re playing like it.
Great pump fake, amazing!
NO FUCKING FOUL CALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those refs picked a GREAT FUCKING TIME to swallow their whistles, holy shit.
FOUR Cardinal around Collier as he shot, and no foul? What a fucking joke.
But Collier should have just hit that tip-in too. We seriously, seriously do not deserve this game after the 7 plays we choked on, all of which would have just won.
That’s on Collier. He didn’t make an easy lay-up.
Collier missed a wide open layup
It was a tip, which is a lot harder than a layup. Yeah, he should have made it. But they also should have called the obvious fucking fouls.
The Beavers had 3 shots at it and were fouled on all three.
a 3 wins it. live or die
Here’s the inbound play; Roberto takes a shoe off, curls off a Brandt screen, and shoots a 3.
F it. Go for the 3 either we win or we lose.
1-3. Under performing must be osu sports pre-baseball.
Enough drinking the CR Koolaid. This team plays bad D and can’t rebound. If people are content with winning the CBI then CR is your man past that we need a new football and basketball coach. I have seen enough of this crap.
Right, guys not being able to hold onto rebounds are his fault? Maybe that missed lay-in by Collier was his fault too?
So many offensive rebounds given up. Beavers up 3 with the ball under a minute left and they end up with a deep forced 3. That is where the Beaver offense falls apart.
Missing clutch free throws and the missed lay-in were the reason they lost. It was a loss that the Beavers couldn’t afford to lose.
That loss disgusts me.
1. Brandt misses 3 of 4 FTs to end regulation.
2. Moreland gives them the ball at the end of regulation, and is 1/100th of a second from us losing the game.
3. Burton with the inbound pass to the corner at the end of 1OT that results in a turnover.
4. Joe misses first of two FTs at the end of 1OT or 2OT.
5. Up 3 with about 10 seconds left, we allow a fast break-wide open 3 to tie the game.
6. A few more chokes I forgot about.
And that isn’t even counting the numerous terrible plays by Starks, where he’d rush jumpers or dribble the ball off his feet.
We didn’t deserve this win, and I’m glad we didn’t get it. And now we’re 1-3 in-conference. Nice work.
So true. Beavers didn’t deserve to win it.
I didn’t understand that one on one basketball in the overtimes? They went almost ten minutes without a basket. It’s kind of amazing they still had a chance to win at the end.
Too many times 3 players going for the block and giving up the Offensive board
I wouldn’t even say it was that. Just guys weren’t holding onto the rebound. Moreland had to have had at least 10 rebounds squirt out of his hands right into a Cardinal player’s hands. They were in the right position for the rebound but let it get away from them.
Starks killed us on both ends of the floor. Roberto needs more minutes. Put Cunningham at the point Roberto at the 2 guard and sit Starks. Let starks come off the bench. And Burton should play half as much as he does.
Agreed agreed agreed agreed…
And the Beavs become only the 3rd Pac team to lose a home game and fall into a tie for 10th, with a team that’s already beat them. I see a lot that portends to success next year, this just isn’t the year. Too many holes that have previously been pointed out, and Angus was flat out exposed on D tonight. He’s been shaky for awhile, but tonight was frustrating to watch.
Angus would be so much better if he blocked some shots. He’s 6’11” but can’t block a shot. He just puts his arms straight up in the air and guys shoot over him. Can’t believe he literally can’t block a shot.
Fwiw – AC Green had a nice college and pro career playing D like that.
he did draw 3 charges with his arms straight up though
Completely different scenarios. He doesn’t understand how to properly play post defense. He gets pushed underneath the basket so far that putting his arms straight up in the air is useless. If he understood proper post defense sticking his hands straight up in the air would be okay. He has strength, but let’s guys get post position way too deep.
Sounds like he needs some coaching. Eh?
It could be a coaching issue but other big guys for the Beavers don’t seem to have the same issue. I find it hard to believe that they’re helping everyone else. Not sure what is up with Angus. He needs to play better.
Maybe they had good coaching in high school?
You’re reaching now. I’ve seen Collier and Moreland really improve their post defense this season, Brandt is another story. At some point the players deserve blame. The coach can’t be expected to do every single thing for them. Sure Craig makes mistakes, but I think he’s a good coach. The players just flat out need to play better.
“but let’s guys get post position way too deep” Agreed!
I agree… Brandt shows flashes on D. He is never going to be a Moreland but I think he can play better. He is just missing that nasty streak. He needs a Shaftanar at UTEP moment.
A number of years ago I gave up on watching pro football, basketball and baseball.
Based on the way OSU is playing and the way Bobby D is managing the athletic department I’m beginning to think about walking away from college ball too.
I don’t miss watching pro ball and if I decide to walk I won’t miss this shit either.
Frustrating yes, but they can be fun to watch
I don’t find it fun following a team that doesn’t play the fundamentals well.
amen, it’s agonizing.
I left in the first half when we were up by about 15, what happened?
Beavers turnovers let Stanford stay in the game and Burton was taking wild shots. Beavers let them hang around and got burned.
The Beavs played hard , they came up a little short but the effort is not a problem. I’m concerned that Starks wants to be the hero and doesn’t play team basketball. I do not understand how CR does not play Roberto Nelson he’s our best offensive threat next to Jared.
I thought that after football the worst was over. Giving up a huge lead at home and now having to go back on the road is a recipe for another stinking season!
I think they’ll split the Arizona games and come home and face the LA schools are mediocre this year. IMO, they’ll have a chance to be 4-4 in conference play then before heading to Eugene. Craig will have to make some adjustments. One will be to play Roberto more and let him handle the ball more. I wouldn’t say bench Starks just let him play off the ball. He’s better IMO when he plays off the ball. Let Jared and Roberto be the primary ball handlers. I think this would help limit stagnation on offense and let’s Stark have better looks. Roberto needs a lot more playing time, he showed why tonight.
They have to get some road wins soon or it’s NIT or even worse CBI time again. I hate that four games into league play they are already behind the eight ball with five of their next seven games on the road.
At least they mentioned the game on Sports Center!
Time for a beer at Humpty’s
Starks & Cunningham 9-31 shooting. Stanford 13-28 3 pointers, Beavs 6-20.
Was at the game tonight. Face it. OSU basketball is painful basketball to watch. It looks closer to a haphazard style city league team then it does to a team that has been playing together for 2 or 3 years in any kind of structured, disciplined system that uses any kind of fundamentals. It’s a mess.
The Brandt D hate is amusing.
Yes, he does give up position down low sometimes. All posts do.
He also fronted during all the OTs VERY well; the posts scored about twice on him in 4 OTs.
He was also great in help D; he blocked several shots, altered others, and took several charges.
Brandt is not our problem. Starks playing street ball is one, Jared having a joke of a jumper is another, and Burton playing more than 15 a game is a third.
Brandt’s defense in the OT’s was outstanding. I’m ok with Jared taking open jumpers, those are shots he needs to take to open up his drives.
Starks jacking shots off the dribble with two men on him is a big problem. I like Starks as a catch and shoot guy but not falling away sideways from 22 feet.
I agree with you. Although, I think the pick and roll or pick and pop that they keep trying to run at the top of the key is poorly executed at times. I don’t know if that’s Brandt’s fault or the guards? Brandt actually needs to shot more for that play to be effective. He needs to have the mindset that he is going to stick that jumper and make the defense pay when they follow the penetrator.
Starks got a couple of layups, but in my opinion it is an ineffective strategy because of his size and it leads to turnovers or him throwing up wild shots as much as it does good looks for him. Starks is much more effective in the open court. I really don’t know why CR went ultra-conservative in OT and with choosing that, he needed another shooter in the game. The rest of the team was clearly standing around with the two man game.
I fear the Oregon games.
Was at a party and DVR’d the game…………………with 30 min extra. Just got to the end of first OT when the recording ended. What a pisser to loose this one. Thoughts.
The man to man D is pretty bad. Steals and blocked shots do not equate to great D. Slow rotations and switches lead to way too many easy looks and uncontested drives.
The rebounding is awful. It sure seemed like Stanford got a lot of their points on offensive rebounds. They need to learn to box out. Rebounding is about effort and Stanford had more.
Our guys seem to be weaker than our Pac 12 opponents. We should have has several more three points plays if our guys could finish stronger around the hoop. Moreland is the prime example.
Team does not have the killer instinct. When we got up by 15, the game should have been over. Let then back in with poor shoot selection and bad perimeter D. A lot of mental errors.
Starks plays out of control and that killed us tonight. Jacking up shots too early and really playing a playground style. One beef with CR is that he does not give players some pine time as a punishment for playing stupidly. No consequences mean it will continue to happen. Why did Starks and not Cunningham have the ball in his hands at the end of the game?
We gave away this one and it’s a killer. With the poor overall rating of the Pac-12, the dream of the NCAA’s pretty much went out the window. Two weeks ago I was fantasizing about crushing the Ducks and a berth in the big dance. Not so much anymore. Now I get to go watch my other school get blown away at home by Purdue and hear the highest paid employee in the state of MN, Tubby Smith, make excuses and throw his players under the bus. Would be nice to still have Devoe Joseph(punk!) and Justin Cobbs plating here instead of the Beavs rivals. Thank god for beer across the street from the Barn.
Playing not plating.
“at the end of the game” – I thought Roberto took the last shot? I could only listen to part of the game on KPAM, but I thought Mike Parker called it well (although since I couldn’t see it – how would I really know? He commented over and over about the lack of rebounding.
I can’t help but wonder if the team chemistry we heard so much about is fraying a little. Burton’s goofy passes and Starks’s dribbles off himself to go out of bounds.
The first drill at practice today will be the Heimlich Maneuver. JB
Why would you have ever left the game?
I meant left from watching the game, not the game itself. Had a great party to go to.
Roberto Nelson quote from an article this morning: “It’s kind of a reality check for us,” Nelson said. “It’s good for us because we’re not that type of team, we’re not a 1-3 type of team. I think it’s actually the opposite. So we can use this as motivation going into the next games.” http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/basketball/osu-men-s-basketball-stanford-leaves-corvallis-with–ot/article_2550516a-39cb-11e1-8759-001871e3ce6c.html
Bill Parcell’s quote in response: You are what your record says you are.
If you’re “not that type of team”, you have five upcoming road games that should give you ample opportunity to prove otherwise.
Seems like the “road heavy” seven game stretch will define the season.
I thought we managed a few of those end of half/OT’s poorly. Particularly the 3rd OT. Might as well use the timeout.
I thought I’d pass along a couple of things the Stanford announcers were talking about during the game. To me it seems their comments complement the well written report by Beavergopher.
When a Stanford player went to shoot there were at times 3 Beavers trying for a block resulting all too often in either a foul or other Stanford players being left unguarded which among other things contributed to Stanford getting offensive rebounds and put backs. Their feeling was the OSU man guarding the player trying to get off a shot should be the only one trying to block the shot.
The Beavers were trying too hard to get steals resulting in needless fouls or ending up out of position and thus giving the Stanford player some uncontested room for driving, shooting, etc..
I’d also like to add that I think OSU needs to consider adding an analyst to the OSU basketball broadcasts. Parker does not have time or ability to call the game and to think about what’s going on and give the listening audience an analysis of what is happening. I was especially impressed with the information flow I got from listening to the Cal announcing crew.
In all the years I’ve been listening to OSU basketball broadcasts I’ve never heard Parker give information like what I’ve described above. Maybe it’s because he’s afraid he’d come across as second guessing the coach or the players.
From ESPN – 2012 wide receiver Zack Robinson (Tahlequah, Okla./Sequoyah) has committed to Oregon State. He also had offers from Memphis and Mississippi State.
Others say he has not committed and that he wants to take visit first, the verbal comes from his coach. Not a done deal yet. He probably wants to do it on his own terms, as he very well should.
This kid is really under the radar as he is unrated by both Scout and Rivals. Just what we need to be a contender.
another “diamond in the rough”- who knows maybe he all world.
We have 3 WR visiting next weekend including the stud, Lawler. Maybe this kid is an insurance policy in case he doesn’t commit.
lol, have you guys seen his film? he’s a stud. and he’s coming to play safety, not wr.
hes gonna play either s/olb here.
How do you know this? Need speed at both positions so that is good. No offer from any in state school however.
I thought Miss.St offered him? Lord help him if he goes to Memphis, they have become one of the worst D-1 prgrams out there.
Wow, Oregon got routed by Cal.
What a shame. Ha. The Minnesota transfer bowl.
Not surprised about the result. Cal is a really bad matchup for Oregon.
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