05.Jan.2012 Basketball: Cal @ Oregon State

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JackBeav:

The Beavs open their league home schedule tonight against Cal. Both teams have been inconsistent to start league play. But Cal managed to use their home court advantage to eke one out against USC and to demolish UCLA last weekend, while the Beavs played tentatively to start games, which forced them to work and search for their successful non-con identity.

It’s going to be a matter of which teams show up tonight. Cal has historically had problems at Gill, and the Beavs clearly favor their home rims. But will it all be that simple?

Cal’s leader is the tough as nails senior PG Jorge Gutierrez (6’3″). He does a lot of things well, but what he does best is his on-ball defense and penetration on offense. He just finds ways to get in the lane and either get his teammates involved or get to the rim. He will likely be matched up with Jared on both ends tonight. And Jared will likely be run off a lot of screens to try to get Jorge free. Secondary help will be key when Gutierrez looks to control the key.

Soph Alan Crabbe (6’6″) has only upgraded his game slightly from his frosh campaign. But there wasn’t much to upgrade. He’s shooting better from the floor this year, and his boards and assists are up slightly. But all that seems to be at the expense of defense and getting to the line. While he remains an offensive threat… always… the numbers say he’s doing less of the actual heavy lifting and tough work maturity adds to most kids’ games. Still, his primary role is the scorer on this team, and he does fill that role.

Senior PF Harper Kamp is doing precisely what junior PF Harper Kamp did last year. He’s the interior work horse for this Cal squad. He’s always active on defense, and he’s always hanging around the rim on offense, waiting for the ball to land in his hands for an easy deuce. While I thought the under-basket no charge zone might have affected Sir Flopsalot’s defensive game, he has managed to break that dangerous habit in favor of stepping out a little. But he will kill the Beavs if he’s allowed to roam freely on offense and if the man he defends doesn’t run him around the court.

Soph big Richard Solomon (6’10″) began December by being suspended indefinitely for two games for what was rumored to allegedly, possibly and/or maybe be questions of academic integrity. He returned for two more before he went down with a stress fracture in his foot. While he hadn’t played through last weekend, he has made the trip to Oregon. And it’s unlikely he made that trip to just sit on the bench. It’s unclear what he might provide other than boards and an extra big body inside for Cal. He really has not had that great a season thus far, and his presence might do more harm than good.

Then again, just having him for depth might help Cal more than anything.

Transfer soph G Justin Cobbs (6’2″) has had a breakout year for Cal. He’s been an outstanding shot from everywhere and has provided a third scoring option behind Crabbe and Gutierrez. And he’s pretty secure with the ball while also getting teammates open looks. He could be a problem if he gets warm.

Frosh big David Kravish (6’9″) proved early he could play, and he has been thrust into the starting role with Solomon’s eventful December. In my opinion he provides a much more viable option in the low post than does Solomon despite the latter’s size and athleticism. Kravish still plays on both ends like a frosh at times. But his teammates are savvy enough to force his play only when they know he can make that play. He might be a black hole, but he gets the ball in good position and takes good shots off his feeds. His downfall might be that he defends on-man about as well as a frosh big with slow feet can defend. He’ll be solid once he learns to stop defending with his arms and shoulders.

Other than those six, junior G Brandon Smith (5’11″) seems to be the only player Monty trusts to be on the floor. He’s not a great shot, and his defense leaves a little to be desired. But he does facilitate, and that helps when Gutierrez and Cobbs need help or just a breather. But I don’t expect either of those two to be yielding minutes on the road unless we run them ragged or they get into foul trouble.

Cal has had problems with pressure teams who throw waves of depth at them. They will try to make the game a half court struggle. And they have the personnel to control that kind of pace. But their depth can be run off the floor if the Beavs are even slightly on their game.

While I suspect the Beavs will come out much more focused to start their league home opener, I still have questions about whether or not they will do so. Their games up north began with them trying to get the ball to the perfect spot and then taking the perfect shot by aiming it instead of just letting it go. The free and easy Beavs that played in the non-con schedule were gone, and these robots had replaced them. It’s like they thought they had to turn their games up a notch and be perfect just because it was Pac 12 time.

Have they seen the Pac 12 this year?

Just play your game boys. Let the other team figure you out for once.

But until that wildfire play returns I have to say one game is understandable, but two games is a habit. There’s a lot of time to right the ship, and tonight is a great opportunity to begin. If the Beavs come out with the rabid defense and loose transition game, they do match up well with Cal. And it could lead to a fun night.

But I’m going to need them to prove it to me first.

The habit is coming out stiff and tentative, wanting to be perfect and doing anything but. If that habit continues, then Cal will push off yet another late Beavs run to win this one going away.

Cal 67 – Beavs 61

Angry:

Tonight's game will be all about the energy and execution out of the gate. If the Beavs come out and take an early lead, I like their chances. They seem to be a different team at home.

Cal is tough. Gutierrez and Kamp killed the (Calvin Haynes led) Beavs last season. Gutierrez isn't flashy, but he has a knack for getting into the lane and creating or scoring. Kamp also doesn't look the part, but he's a workman inside, cleaning up the glass and even taking it to the hoop at times.

What is scary about Gutierrez and Kamp is that they play to the Beaver's weakness. The Beavs have had a hard time stopping penetration in the lane, and they've had an equally difficult time boxing out and disallowing second chance scoring. For this reason, I think Cal has the advantage. But, like I said, the Beavs are a different team at home, and if they come out hungry for the win (which should happen being 0-2 in conference) they could pull this one out. Beavs desperately need a win to salvage any momentum accrued during the pre-conference schedule.

68-66, Beavers

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  • angry angry says:
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    JackBeav, check your email please.

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    Cal went off on us from 3 pt range last year. We were playing zone and everyone went off on us from 3. I agree that we must come out early, playing our game. But I think this is a winnable game for sure. I think that we need to score 70 to win it though. Must shoot our free throws better this game and be the aggressor.

  • ean says:
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    I think the Beavs win this one.

  • helmsley says:
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    Last year in the Cal home game at Gill – OSU was hot in the first half but coach Montgomery knew how to adjust in the 2nd half and the Beavs lost. I don’t feel very good about this game.

    • ean says:
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      yeah that is a good point… Montgomery is really a great in game coach. Coach Rob will have to coach a near perfect game to win this one.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        He’s not a great in game coach. If he was a great in game coach the Beavers wouldn’t have won 3 of 4 against the Bears in Craig’s first two years, including stomping Cal twice at Gill. Montgomery has always been overrated. Craig will not have to coach a perfect game to win. The Beavers will win tonight.

        • helmsley says:
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          You were right on. That’s what I like so much about this website. I certainly hadn’t kept track of every game Mike Montgomery coached – it just seemed that whenever I watched his games, he could adjust well. Glad you poked a hole in that perception.

          • ean says:
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            sample sizes

          • Jack says:
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            Monty actually called a pretty good game. He called the right timeouts, and he adjusted very well. Coach Rob just prepped better to set the scheme. Cal has always had problems with the 1-3-1 (when we had someone to run the point). You can’t imagine how many Bay Area comments on articles about the Beavs this year said “Thank God!” about the Beavs dropping the 1-3-1 for man D. Everyone knew they had problems with it, and even their fans were happy to think they would never see it again.

            Monty manages to control the refs better than just about any coach in the Pac. Many of you already know that I think Tad Boyle is probably the best overall coach in the Pac. But Monty has recruiting advantages as well as experience on Boyle. And he has used those advantages for decades in this league. He usually has his team schemed well for the opponents he knows well. And when he has a full compliment of stars on the floor, his teams are just hard to beat.

            But one weakness his teams have displayed over the years is an ability to make a short turnaround on teams and schemes they don’t know. And Coach Rob has introduced a defense he has problems with. Other coaches have seen the tape, and they try running it at Cal. But unless you have someone who extends into the passing lanes with suddenness, a topside trap is not going to phase many teams.

            And I don’t like that Coach Rob puts so little emphasis on the baseline runner. I personally think that’s the key to success in that zone (maybe because that was my position). I think it’s highly important to have someone with length (6’4″+) and a tireless motor to just run full tilt from side to side. That runner needs to mirror the ball and be prepared to play help side on post lobs. Fortunately for Starks most NCAA posts are fundamentally deficient, and they bring the ball down to load up and make a move to the basket. That effectively makes a 7-footer as tall as the ball. But someone who has the ability to recover and play the rim is much more desirable. There are players and coaches out there who don’t drop their shoulders on post moves.

            All that aside, Monty came into the game with the refs on his side. That whole noise at the 10 minute mark of the first half was a great beating by Coach Rob. The refs continued to pout about it for the rest of the half, and they remained stubborn in their calls. But when Coach Rob went off on Jared’s foul seconds into the second half, it was apparent the refs knew they had to call an even game from there on out. And that’s when Jared turned it on.

            The one time Coach Rob was out-coached was during their 12-0 run around 6-7 minutes left. But that was all Gutierrez, not Monty. Monty usually hammers the refs as much as Coach Rob did last night. But his health scare probably sat him down more than usual. I could hear JJ stomping around at times in the second half. But he was about as effective as he ever was on that court.

  • RipCity808 says:
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    Got my TIX and looking forward to watching two of the premier Pac-12 guards (Gutierrez & Flight) battle. This duel, however, is just a microcosm of the overall showdown. I agree with you, Jack, that Cal is going to be heavily screening Jared all night long (think Vandy w Jenkins), so it is imperative for our help defense to be quick enough to contain his dribble drives.

    Gutierrez has an extremely high basketball IQ, so our bigs must be smart enough to get in ideal positions to draw charges or force TO’s. While I’ve been impressed with Angus’ ability to draw charges and Moreland’s ability to alter shots, I’ve been equally unimpressed by Joe’s inability to play any resemblance of defense. We all know he’s slower than Sean Canfield, but he must use his big body to box out. Instead of looking for the ball on rebounds, he’s gotta get his body on someone.

    Crabbe can shoot lights out, so we have to be smart enough to never leave him open. Our guards can never relax while guarding him and must have a hand in his face, or we’ll be seeing many hand down, man down. Our bigs must hedge out on screens and force Crabbe to pass or drive instead of shooting open J’s.

    Kamp and Cobbs are also major figures, but you guys covered basically everything I had to say about them.

    Two Beavs who must get back on track if we’re going to make noise this season is Roberto and Collier. Evidently, Roberto does not lack confidence indicated by jacking up Jason Richardson-esque NBA threes, but I really think he’s at his best when he’s slashing for layups or making sweet dimes. Then, when the defense respects his dribble drives, he can knock down threes all day, all night. Collier looked nervous playing on the road, so these two games will be crucial to get a confidence boost. While I love Collier’s physicality and go get ’em attitude, besides put backs or open dunks, he doesn’t really have any post moves. He must find open spots on the floor and finish strong (no missed layups. DUNK THE BALL!).

    Slow starts and unforced turnovers were the themes to our two road losses. Playing at home will be a different story.

    OSU 74
    CAL 71

  • angry angry says:
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    No TV tonight. Bummer.

    • StarcraftSquall says:
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      No tv, no Internet streaming either. Radio only. Only way to see this game is to buy a ticket.

      • JD says:
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        Is their an online radio stream at least?

        • mckalk says:
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          Beav games are on the 860 KPAM website. Click on the listen button.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    I think the Beavers win tonight 79-70.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    We can win by coming from behind, but Robinson needs to find a way to either motivate them early, or find a combination that can put up some early points, so we dont put ourselves in a hole. We beat both Washington schools in the latter part of the game, but had dug too deep a hole.

    Find the hot hand early!

    Otherwise, play that tough D … we can win.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    CR has to get control of his team. Make them play with discipline. Put guys on the floor who will execute the basics. Bench the show boat types. Only play the midget in spot situations. Same with Burton.

    I’m not smart enough to know who’s going to win because I’m not good at crystal balling (which team is going to show up tonight. Will the 3s be hitting or missing). Proven that to myself many times over in the market.

  • CraigBeav says:
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    OT: Under Armour Highschool All-American game is on ESPN… do we have any reason to care about any of these players?

  • Quatre Quatre says:
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    Weak interior defense by everyone not named Moreland is the norm in a 14 point California win.

    • ean says:
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      I am hoping to see more Moreland and Collier together.

  • ean says:
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    Not super pumped on this starting lineup. I am hoping to see Moreland and Collier in with a 3 guard lineup. Either that I think Burton should come off the bench. Collier has been to productive to not play major minutes until he proves otherwise.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Cal starts off playing zone. Are we surprised?

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Cal used a double zone to get the shooter open. Are we surprised?

  • FedUpBeav says:
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    I like 13-0 runs!!

  • ean says:
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    wowsa… keep it rolling beavs. I am starting to like this lineup it would be tough to take Burton out of the lineup… Brandt maybe? Seems we got to find minutes for Collier too.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Give Burton some time, he’ll manage to f things up as usual.

      • ean says:
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        Yeah I am thinking you start Collier, Moreland and Brandt and bring Burton off the bench for Brandt.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I’m listening to the Cal broadcast. Seems like I’m getting more information about what’s going on on the court.

    Fwiw – They pointed out that the Beavs went to a 1-3-1 zone and when they did the Beavs made the 13 – 0 run.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    So far the 3’s are falling. Let’s hope either they continue or the Beavs start working the ball into the paint.

  • mckalk says:
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    Sounds like a few crappy calls, I can hear CR complaining loudly on the radio broadcast. Geez, Beavs can’t even get any home cooking.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Sounds like the Beavs can’t create shot opportunities so are having to rely on the long shots which have quit falling for them.

    Now that they’ve gone cold the Bears are back in their zone.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beavers have withstood a Bears run and regained the lead. Beavers got a shot to build a little bit of a halftime lead with a big run here. Hopefully they can do it.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    These are not finals

    Colorado 83 UW 61

    ‘ucks 66 Stanford 56

  • Mike says:
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    Nice start for the Beavs! That CU v. UW score scares me. I live in CO and lost a bunch of lunch bets on the game last year, need the Beavs to win on 2/2 in Boulder.
    Great feature on Seumalo. Starting to believe he’ll be a high impact player next year – just hope it’s for us.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2012/01/isaac-seumalo-under-armour-game.html

    • RipCity808 says:
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      I played ball with Isaac recently, and he told me he scheduled the USC visit on 1/13 just to check out the campus. He’s excited to play with family and be a beaver.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Colorado 87 UW 69 Final
    Utah 62 WSU 60 Final OT
    ‘furd 67 ‘ucks 78 Final
    ASU 34 USC 24 Half
    UA 12 UCLA 19 1st

    • sparkyd73 says:
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      Basketball is very different, it benefits the Beavs for the ‘ucks to be decent.

  • mckalk says:
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    Utah game is a final, they somehow beat Wazzu 62-60. I seriously did not think they would win a league game this year.

    • beavers4life says:
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      Like they wouldn’t in football?

      • mckalk says:
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        No, I lived in SLC for 13 years and still follow the program. Coach Kyle is going to get some wins. The hoops program has fallen to historic lows. I hope Coach K can turn it around, but it’s going to be tough year.

    • helmsley says:
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      Larry Krystowiak

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    I’m not sold on Craig Robinson, but I have to give him his due. It was a great gameplan to go 1-3-1 against Cal. Speed up the game, we have much more depth. I also am very impressed with the way he is fighting for his players.

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    I’m very happy to see the Beavs attacking the basket and drawing fouls in the second half, great halftime adjustment.

  • angry angry says:
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    Beavs are a different team at home.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Definitely are. That’s why I felt they would win tonight. The team is really good at home. I hope the Beavers can get things together on the road. Don’t want it to be like UW where they’re dominant at home and mediocre on the road.

      Impressive victory tonight.

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    Beavs will not lose many games shooting 11/18 from behind the arc.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      And will not shoot like that very often.

      • sparkyd73 says:
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        This team could shoot that well more often if they soften the defense by attacking the hoop and kicking it out.

      • sparkyd73 says:
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        Angus Brandt is a pure shooter, glad he got it going tonight from the outside.

    • Billy says:
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      5 of 8 of which were contributed by “the midget” who put up 24 tonight. Brilliant observation by mudandshit that he should only play in spot situations.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        Nights like these are why Starks deserves tons of minutes. He’s a streaky shooter, when he gets it going he can hit 4 or 5 threes in a row and really lifts the team. I don’t care who the Beavers are playing in the conference, if Starks and Cunningham both score 20+ nobody is beating the Beavers.

      • Gash says:
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        Starks has a nice stroke. Anytime he gets a clean look off the pass he should shoot it whether he’s 5-8 or 0-8. he probably should avoid shooting off a juke or the dribble unless he is just feeling it, though he did hit a nice one off the dribble late agianst WSU

        • Jack says:
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          Starks has that great crossover step back to the left. And he has a nice stutter rollover to the right which beats his man to the short corner. If the help falls off the wing to take him, he makes that little pat pass to the corner. If his man recovers by dropping straight to the hoop, he has space for a nice mid-range pop. If nobody stops him, he has a clear path to the rim. Watch him as he floats right sometimes. You’ll see him stand straight up and motion for a teammate to vacate the block. You can see him looking for that play to open up.

          And remember, Ahmad’s just a soph.

  • mckalk says:
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    Nice and much needed win, but they aren’t going to shoot 60% very often, they are going to have to stop somebody at some point to be in the P-12 mix.

    • Jack says:
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      Yeah… but… they’ve been shooting 55%+ all year long. So I think they will do it often. They just won’t do it always. And I want to see them do it more often on the road.

      • mckalk says:
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        Still you can’t ignore the porous defense through the first three league games away AND home. They aren’t going to create as many steals either. The soft non-con didn’t do them any favors in that respect. 1-3-1 was a great coaching move and provided just enough change up. If they can shoot 55% all season then more power to them and they will win a majority.

  • RipCity808 says:
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    Impressed at Jared going into attack mode tonight. Gutierrez could not check him. He was the key cog in getting Cal into the penalty with 12 minutes left in the 2nd.

    I thought Montgomery had a brilliant idea to hack-a-Joe, until Burton nailed both freebies.

    The crowd was really pumped and the Beavs fed off of it. Although Collier finished with only 4 points, I thought he scored the game’s biggest basket. OSU was up 16, when Cal went on a 12-0 run. With momentum shifting in Cal’s direction, Roberto created a beautiful dribble drive dish to a cutting Collier for the monster slam.

  • beavers4life says:
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    I was at the game tonight and it was fun to watch, but there were seriously only 2….that’s right….2 traveling calls the whole time I was there and let me tell you….those CAL Bears walked, switched pivot feet, AND took 2 steps then jump stepped on the last one and didn’t get called for traveling. It was ridiculous! Also, the Beavs stood around a lot to “set up” their offense…they were really close to the 5 second guarded rule quite a few times and they turned the ball over more that way too. They seem to be quite clumsy on the court and not very composed, however, there were a lot of things they did right. Burton for instance played a lot more heads up than usual tonight. So that was really good to see. Also, Burton didn’t stand at the top of the key calling for the ball 90-95% of the game…if he didn’t get the ball at the top of the key in about 3-5 seconds, then he left that spot and cleared. He also didn’t stand around at the top of the key and get in the way of the guards. So Burton’s play was stepped up big time on offense. Also, I loved how Burton nailed 2 free throws after getting fouled by CAL in an inbound play. That played into their psyche. All in all a great team effort. It was also great to see that Jared was taking more chances in driving to the hoop and not going for the “highlight” reel slam dunk this game. It seemed as though they were told by CR that they can’t play school yard pick up game style ball anymore. They needed to try and set up their offense and create shots for the open player. Driving to the hoop to cause the foul occurred more tonight than in the past. And that set up the “drive to the hoop then kick it out” play. That was money when they were on their 0-13 run. Also, it was 5-0 when I showed up to the game…so sorry I arrived late to the game! :p Night all!

    • mckalk says:
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      Regarding traveling, I was thinking the same thing, but am wondering if officials are becoming more “NBA like” in their thinking. Seems like a lot less traveling calls in general in the games I have watched this year.

      • Jack says:
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        Well, there was this last week:
        http://gif.mocksession.com/2011/12/ridiculous/

        It’s not like Lebron taking five steps, getting fouled (after taking five steps?) then taking two more steps to score on continuation. But I’m pretty sure the triple jump isn’t a basketball event.

        Still, nothing tops this one:
        http://www.rantsports.com/clubhouse/2012/01/05/louisiana-lafayette-uses-six-players-to-defeat-western-kentucky/

        If six players are on the court during live play, that’s a bench technical. It’s not on the refs. It’s not on the scorer’s table. It’s the coach’s responsibility to manage his personnel. Didn’t something like this happen last night… with our team being aware enough to catch it? If it doesn’t go to live play, then there should be a delay of game violation if the man who was replaced remains on the floor for more than 30 seconds.

        • mckalk says:
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          Yeah, Parker was commenting that the officials need to call something because there were six Bears out on the court, then a few seconds later he said…nothing is going to be called because the referees said it was “their mistake”.

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          Geez, I can remember my junior high coaches debating whether we could get away with a jump stop or not. It’s gotten out of hand, but then the athleticism keeps growing.

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            Not really… at least not in a hoops sense. If you’re running balls to the wall when you receive a pass, you either dribble, pass or shoot before you travel. And the first foot to hit the floor is your pivot. If those rules aren’t enforced, then why do we even bother with dribbling as a rule? We can just play football without contact, and we’ll say the athletes are so awesome because they get to the rim a lot. Of course, nobody will say anything about not allowing the defense to touch anyone.

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            Well then if it’s not increased speed or athleticism that is giving officiating teams problems then there has been a conscious effort to call traveling differently over time.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Its all a progression, starting with pro ball and working down.

            In the pros, one of the most important things is the entertainment value of the game. That entertainment value is enhanced by flashy plays. It gets going by a superstar fudging on his technique on plays and the refs letting it go BECAUSE he is a star. Same with calling fouls. A star gets fouled easily, a scrub has to be hammered on before he gets a call.

            Even rising stars dont get the start treatment.

            Then it percolates down to the lower levels, as the lower folks imitate the pros, both the players and the refs.

            Retaining the purity of sport is not as important as selling it to the public.

  • Jack says:
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    DePaul beats Pitt to go to 10-4?
    Indiana is having a great season?
    The Beavs at 11-4?
    Temple and La Salle are doing well with some quality wins?

    I’m getting all nostalgic here.

    Btw… we can lose the rest of our games and match last year’s record.

    Or… we can go and win some games.

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      Or … we could take a page from the football team, and lose the rest of the games! Yes, that is the OSU way.,…so lets proceed! Winning is so highly overrated. Mike Riley has shown us the way — its the FAMILY values that are important……

      • Jack says:
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        I have a feeling Coach Rob would be doing a little more yelling than he was last night halfway through the first half if that were to happen.

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        Oh please!!

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        I get rated down, when posting sarcasm?? Dang….no sense of humor. Ok, maybe its me that got no such sense.

        I think we can win a bunch of games and hope we do!

        • Jack says:
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          Wait… we’re supposed to be upset if others don’t like what we say?

          I’m going to have to spend about three weeks sifting through past posts just to meet this expectation. If you would all excuse me, I will be off now.

  • osu2008 says:
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    I went to the game tonight and it was alive in Gill. The team came out and had fire from the get-go. Brandt, in my opinion, is the smartest player on the team right now because he knows where his man is and takes a majority of high percentage shots. The guy has come through for the team throughout the season they need him and he doesn’t throw the ball away. Starks and Cunningham were sharp and I think had 21 points each.

    It appears to me that Collier is not feeling real well right now because he was being checked out by the trainer right at the tail end of the game and was taken to the locker room before the game ended. He made some good plays tonight and had a key block, but he was still sluggish. If he is sick, this may explain why he did not do so well last weekend. The reffing was bad, but the team got a good win at home, which they really needed. Defense was improved as was the free-throws and the blocking out looked much better, but can still be improved. Again, a good win against a really tough team. I am very pleased.

    • Jack says:
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      I was wondering if Collier was physically limited in some way. He just hasn’t been himself for a couple games now. If that’s the case, then Coach Rob made some nice moves by switching the line-up and playing Devon at critical times.

      Since I wasn’t there I couldn’t see what the players were doing. Can someone tell me if they were letting Coach Rob do the complaining to the refs? The best sign of a disciplined team is that they speak with one voice, and that usually means they allow the coach to fight their battles with the refs while the floor leader plays a sort of a good cop to contrast the coach’s anger.

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        I could hear CR loud and clear on the radio broadcast, especially in the first half.

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        One thing I like about our team is we don’t have any Rasheed Wallace’s (constant kvetchers). Although myriad calls went Cal’s way (blatant traveling, fouling Angus on release, etc.), I don’t recall anyone confronting the refs. Coach Rob was on his game last night complaining to the refs when warranted, while not excessively complaining. CR does a fantastic job of getting in the refs’ ears and protecting his players. In the 2nd half, Jared got all the calls on his dribble drives, where some were 50-50 on blocks/charges.

      • osu2008 says:
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        Craig was letting the refs have it. The thing that I admire about Robinson is the way he cares for his players. He’s not going to let the refs give the game away and he becomes the voice for the team, while expecting his players to just go out and play. Cal was just the opposite.

        I noticed that Monty wasn’t as vocal last night as I’ve seen him in the past, so I don’t know if his recent health scare has quieted him down some. Jay John was more vocal, but the refs tuned him out. No change from when he was here. I remember John would start barking at the refs before the game started and it just got to the point that the refs would ignore him. I’ve never cared for coaches who do this. Craig is the opposite. He picks his moments to contest calls, but expects his players to play while he does the talking. Good strategy. Robinson has a long ways to go as a coach, in terms of X’s and O’s, but he is a classy guy and I think the longer he coaches, the better he will get. The players respect him and the parents that I have spoken to really like him. I really hope he can turn this ship around.

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      With 56 seconds left, Collier hit the floor hard after soaring to block a shot by Brandon Smith. He got all ball at the top but checked Smith with his body and both landed awkwardly. From my vantage point, both looked like they whacked their heads on the court, with Smith getting the worst of it. While Collier popped up after about 10 seconds, Smith lay sprawled down for about 3-4 minutes.

  • Jack says:
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    On the football recruiting front…
    Carrying over from NCAA_v’s post on the last thread, it looks like Hasiak may be that “silent” verbal o-lineman I was hearing about. If he has his act together, he can be productive at OSU. And staggering this class with a proven Pac o-lineman as a junior allows for some redshirts for the frosh. I think more than one is capable of competing for a starting job, and more than Isaac may make the two-deeps. But it’s always nice to have a foundation set with solid players coming up through the system.

    I’m one who believes that we should bring in three or four o-linemen every year… three at a minimum. They only make up 23% of the starting line-up. Is it fair to expect about 20% of our ships to go to o-linemen?

    So there’s news about the 2013 Class already. We all should know that Eddie Vanderdoes is a DL target who likes OSU for Marty Lees and Pat casey as well. And OSU is one of a handful of schools (Sac St, PSU, other FCS schools, and ASU since DE’s nephew went to school there…but not SJSU or the Bay Area Pac schools) who has been building a relationship with the coaches in Milpitas. Though relationships build trust and are nice, it’s going to take a huge effort to get Vita Vea in Corvallis.

    So it’s nice to hear that our coaches aren’t giving up on going in early for the top prospects. We just need them to hard. They went after Kyle Murphy at San Clemente pretty good. And it seems that having Cav somewhere where he can evaluate more than just the star gets us an early nod from one of Murphy’s teammates.
    http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2012/01/06/football-recruiting-san-clementes-harlow-nabs-early-pac-12-offer/250522/

    I say nod because we all know our staff doesn’t bother talking to kids if there’s no initial interest. We’ll see how our staff does with in-state prospects next year as well. There’s Rich and Brenner at Jesuit… and I like the next Lomax at LO as a DL/MLB prospect. Anyone who has dreams of Evan Voeller can forget him. I think his brother is a walk-on with the Ducks. He’s a case of wasted time if our coaches go after him.

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      According to keggers, we’re still going hard after these guys with (according to him) 5 spots left open.

      JUCO LB Dylan Maffi
      JUCO LB Chris Young
      HS WR Javon Williams
      HS WR Kenny Lawler
      HS DE Nate Iese
      HS OL David Keller
      JUCO OL Stan Hasiak

      I think you’re right that Hasiak has already committed, which would leave 4 spots open. I believe that we will also end up with Chris Young and Kenny Lawler when all is said and done. If that happens, I’d love to see Iese and Keller get the final two spots.

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        who are the greyshirts? PO has a linked article on a BJ Wilhelm-Ioane from Maui who says he is interested in Oregon State, however I couldn’t find any bio on him anywhere. He is a LB.

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          If we do go over the limit, I’d think we would greyshirt OL and CB/S prospects, since we have a large amount of both in this class.

          Chase Eldredge and Josh Mitchell would be candidates, even if one or both switch to D-Line. For defensive backs, I’d guess Kendell Hill and possibly Chris Miller could be candidates as well.

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            Biggins says that we are making a late hard pitch on a couple of ASU committs, Richard Smith WR might get an offer soon, and LB Matt Rowe has an offer and both have opened up their recruiting, although it sounds like Ucla is making a push. There is an Arizona QB 4* committ who says he is now also opening up his recruiting and he has a Beaver committ, wonder if they would consider another qb instead of Vanderveen? Anyways some of these look like Seumalo and are “just listening”, but you never know as I know the Beavs have won and lost committs who have done the same thing.

        • Jack says:
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          I like the kid:

  • Gman says:
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    LaMichael James entered the draft, very small break for the beavs as they have good backups. Oh, well, LMJ is a class act, good kid.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      I think thats smart. Nothing to prove in another college year. I thought Quizz did the right thing, too. Kids lookin at that BIG money….hard to see how they ever refuse.

  • beavers4life says:
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    Anyone see this article on the GT and also that Cliff changed the look of the GT sports page?! I like it a lot better!

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-beavers-get-verbal-commitments-from-defensive-backs/article_d964ab6a-3377-11e1-b40d-001871e3ce6c.html

    Also, new photo up on the Basketball forum!

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    Anyone watching the Under Armor AA game. Seumalo playing on the West team (white) #56 on NBC.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Another recruiting update from the O-live blogger:

    “OSU is now interested in Oklahoma WR Zack Robinson. Robinson, who has been on the OSU radar for a while is 6-2, 195 lbs, and runs a 4.5 40 yard dash.

    In the “what comes around, goes around” category, OSU is looking at stealing a Cal recruit from the Bears. Beaverblitz reports that 4-star WR Bryce Treggs may be taking a visit to OSU on January 20th. Treggs, who was a celebrated recruit for the Bears, has been reportedly unhappy with Cal signing more WR’s, and his overall recruitment. This may be just a free trip for the kid, but anytime you can get an elite talent to visit, you have a chance!

    Reports out of the Under Armor All-American Game were that Isaac Seumalo was the dominant offensive lineman out of the whole group. Numerous 4 and 5-star DL said Seumalo gave them headaches, sometimes literally. It looks like Seumalo may be a bigger talent than his 4-star ranking. Those who are into stars are projecting he may get a 5th before the whole thing is over.”

    Its funny to hear about a WR coming to visit because CAL is recruiting too many WR’s. Maybe he hasn’t looked at OState’s current crop of recruits.

    Also, from Cliff:

    “Jan. 13, 20 and 27 are the big visit dates with the 13th begin the biggest at this point, according to Rivals.com. Most of the players coming in are already committed to the Beavers.

    Three-star DE Iese Nate, four-star WR Kenny Lawler, four-star WR Javon Williams and ATH Jonavaugh Williams are not committed and visiting.

    Three-star DB Kevin Peterson is committed to Oklahoma and three-star WR Richard Smith is committed to Arizona State, but they are taking a look at the Beavers.

    The Beavers are technically over the 85 scholarship limit at 91. There are 70 players on the roster with scholarships, 20 commitments and one midterm JC player already signed.

    Normal attrition of players is about three players during the summer, so that means OSU will probably greyshirt a few. Some of the greyshirts happen on their own if players don’t academically qualify.

    There’s no point in guessing who would greyshirt in order to make the 85 at this point, but one of the six OL, six DBs or two TEs might be in the running.”

  • Jack says:
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    Just stopped in on a busy day. Treggs? I wish I had time to go check out the Cal boards to see what they are saying. Does it have anything to do with Dalis Bruce getting ignored by Cal?

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      I haven’t seen anything about him other than some comments on boards where CAL fans are bragging about being “stacked” at the WR position.

      Caleb Smith is apparently visiting UCLA today. Still a “soft commit” to Oregon State after saying he was solid just a week or 2 ago.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      IMHO: Treggs isn’t coming here for more than a visit, if he does come at all. His twitter page is full of Cal stuff and how they want create one big side of stud wideouts while their “boy” zach kline (another committ) throws them darts. So, I don’t believe anything on Treggs. It sounds like another Biltz “bait n switch” on you to try to get you to sign up. Probably why the Beavs are looking at other wideouts like Lawler, Williams, and I heard the same on Zach Robinson.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      Wow huge day for Cal. Picked up two 5 star players today.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        They have a great class lined up. Hope they are a bunch of prima donnas like the jerk playing for the Eagles.

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        As long as Maynard is the QB at CAL, they aren’t going anywhere.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Is Stanford game on TV?

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Are we trying to sign 30 WR’s this year to offset the 40 DE’s from last class? How about over signing some ready to play DT’s?

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    I have an all black look up. Rough sketch. Do you like it more than the gray tones? The OS on the helmet is slightly brighter simulating the carbon threaded inlay. Downloaded GIMP 2.7.5 for Windows. Tough to get a grasp of the controls and the best way to use layers/work with selected areas. The intelligent scissors feature lets you pick out areas pretty well if anyone wants to try and share.

    All Black Look:
    http://beaverbyte.com

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