04.Jan.2012 Negative Recruiting

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Negative sociopolitical ads have always been effective, from the wars on terror to tobacco and every Presidential campaign throughout history. As the 2012 election nears, we're seeing more negative ads, even from Ron Paul, who until recently had run a classy campaign and taken the high road. While watching the Iowa Caucus last night, I couldn't help but wonder how recruiting voters parallels recruiting players.

On the subject of negative campaigning, William S. Bike writes:

According to Dean Michael Mezey of DePaul University, … what negative advertising does is get your supporters committed and excited. Those who are indifferent are so turned off that they are less likely to vote, as are people who are for the other candidate–so not only does it help you, but it depresses turnout. The ideal, rational goal is to turn out your most committed supporters and make sure nobody else turns out.

1. "What negative advertising does is get your supporters committed and excited."

Empirically, I'd say this is true. When a wish-washy recruit comes back from Cal or Washington, whose coaches are known negative recruiters, they seem more into the cause than ever.

2. "So not only does it help you, but it depresses turnout."

Again, it seems true. We often see recruits cancel all remaining visits after committing to a known negative recruiter.

Here's an interesting bit by Jon Solomon of the Birmingham News:

Going negative in recruiting resembles going negative in political campaigns. Facts or half-truths are selectively highlighted to create an unflattering narrative of the rival, turning some recruiting and political campaigns into plays on people's fears.

It's the ugly underbelly of college football recruiting, the topic coaches publicly deny occurs but acknowledge privately. Fans want to believe the other coach negatively recruits and not theirs, "but it happens all the time to some degree," former Auburn coach Terry Bowden said.

"There's a point where it's accepted and even humorous. There's a point where it gets to be mean-spirited and unethical."

Negative recruiting occurs when coaches tell prospective athletes and their parents negative things about other coaches and schools that are also trying to recruit that athlete. What constitutes negative recruiting to those under attack might be justified as the truth by the person firing the shot.

"Everybody knows what negative recruiting looks like," Bowden said. "They don't have to read a book to know what it is. The good guys know when to stop, and the sorry guys don't know how to stop."

Gadsden City High School coach Joe Billingsley defines negative recruiting as "challenging the program and character of the other university."

Billingsley said his former star linebacker Jerrell Harris chose Alabama last year in large part because Crimson Tide coaches talked about their school, not others.

The last sentence is particularly interesting. I feel like Beaver fans will argue, "We want players who want to be Beavers for the right reasons" (mainly because that is the type of player they get). Yeah, I want that, too, but more than that I want great players. Sure, some recruits will sign because of honesty and a coach talking about their school's positives. No doubt. But on a 17 or 18 year old recruit, what do you think would, generally speaking, work better: pointing out why University X is a career-ending path, or highlighting University Y's strong points?

When I was 17, a military recruiter showed up at my high school. He asked what interested me. I told him. He tried to bend the Army's message to meet what I said. When he saw it wasn't working, he said things like, "You will have no future if you choose path XYZ, it is impractical. In the Army you learn real skills." Etc. Point being, his fear mongering was pretty powerful. No, I didn't go that route, but had I more physical strength and less confidence in my mind, I very well might have.

Even as adults negativity it is a powerful thing. Ron Paul was leading the Iowa Caucus until the media portrayed him as a guy unwilling to (preemptively) start a war with Iran. Remember the 2004 election, with George Bush claiming "I am a war time President"? Again, fear gripping people. If a school like Washington tells a recruit, "OSU is a racist farm town…you'll never get on TV or make the NFL" etc, will the recruit have enough savvy or desire to fact check?

The short of it is this: Given the positive results of negative political campaigns and recruiting, do you feel Mike Riley (and staff's) aversion to such tactics is plus or minus on signing day?

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  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    How do we know Riley’s staff is averse to such tactics? They can’t all be choir boys. I would respect a program more if they were able to avoid dragging other programs though the mud in their recruiting efforts.

    In marketing, a weaker brand is better off mentioning a stronger brand in their advertising, because it helps compare the weaker brand to the stronger brand.
    On the flip side, the strong brands should never mention the weaker brands in advertising, because there is no sense giving any credit to the competition when you’re the alpha dog.

    Oregon State would do itself a favor if it compared itself positively to schools with more successful programs (USC, Oregon, Washington, etc). They don’t need to use negative attacks against those schools, they just need to show that Oregon State can offer similar results to those schools, despite the perception.

    On the other hand, USC, Oregon, Washington have no reason to even mention Oregon State, because just by merely mentioning them, they are saying Oregon State is on the same competitive level.

    • angry angry says:
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      How do we know Riley’s staff is averse to such tactics?

      Well, they’re known for taking the high road, and recruits tend to confirm that, often saying things like “the coaches didn’t pressure me” and “they talked about their school” etc. Riley constantly talks about how he wants what is best for the kid. Admirable, but is it better than wanting what is best for the university? Sometimes those two things are mutually exclusive.

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        Jeopardizing a young person’s future for the benefit of the university is not something I want to be a part of. If Riley chooses the high road, I’m following him. It’s just football/entertainment. I can cheer for this team more if they are mildly successful while keeping their integrity vs selling their souls to the devil for a few extra wins.

    • ean says:
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      I recall Riley saying he doesn’t like to bash on other schools but rather sell the OSU program. I guess he could be lying though.

  • ean says:
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    I think it is a bit of a grey area. For instance if you told a recruit like De’Anthony Thomas that he would cost himself 10+ million in potential career earnings by playing RB instead of DB that would be the truth even though it could be construed as negative recruiting. Obviously a guy like that isn’t motivated by money or hasn’t been told this but I don’t think it is a case of negative or positive all the time more of a grey area and the best NCAA teams seem to have the largest grey areas.

    • BeavMonkey says:
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      Strictly speaking, it is the truth.

      But everybody knows these young kids want to be the guy in the endzone with the ball. And at DB, the only way DAT would do that is as kick returner.

      yeah, he won’t last past 26 at RB in the NFL, or if he does, its because he gets so few carries that he has to find a different day job to pay the bills, but still…

      in the right here right now mentality that these stars have, they want to be tearing it up where they go. Sure he would last 8 more years as a cornerback, but he wouldn’t trade the experience of being a running back for the world.

      Same with Colt Lyerla playing TE instead of LB. TE’s earn pretty crappy wages in the NFL. I doubt he cares. OLB/DE is a pretty grindy position to play for your whole career. Never gets you the fireworks though. You’ll note that he played RB/WR at Hilhi. If he could, he would love to be in DAT’s shoes.

      but the fact is that Oregon lets players pick the positions that make them happy. Just like parents might encourage their children to become engineers and scientists, but the kids go off and major in musical theatre or french literature. Universities don’t exist to look out for the student/athletes best interests.

  • angry angry says:
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    The Beavs should consider scheduling visits after all known negative recruiters…at least that would give them a shot to prove them wrong. Though, as point #2 above mentions, many times the recruit will cancel all remaining visits after meeting with those guys. Remember what happened with the Sacramento trio? The DT never even made the visit after Tedford got hold of him.

  • beavgirl says:
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    this is off topic but http://guyism.com/sports/14-of-the-dirtiest-sports-team-names.html

  • OSU4Life says:
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    I think what hurts Oregon State the most in recruiting is the facts.
    All an opposing coaching staff needs to point out is the facts and statistics of OSU football the past 2-4 seasons. They aren’t necessarily saying anything negative by pointing out the facts and or statistics.

    I can imagine Chip Kelly asking common recruits: “Would you rather play for Pac-12 and National Championships, or do you prefer to go home during Christmas break?”
    “Would you like to be on TV and have your friends and family be able to watch you play every game?” “Do you like Nike products? How would you like to test their newest equipment?” “Oregon State is a nice program but, do know we have beaten OSU 4 years in a row?” “Do you like money? Well then, at Oregon we can find ways to give you money.” These are just honest questions, without being negative.

    To a recruit who plays defense. “Would you like to play on a team than allows over 400 yards per game, and 30 points per game?” To a recruit who plays on offense, the playmaker type: “Do you like to score touchdowns or make big offensive plays?” “Oregon State averages 20 points per game on offense, and they rank near the bottom of the Conference in producing plays of 25 yards or more.” “At Oregon, we love to score a lot of points, and our offense produces many big plays.” These are honest questions and statements backing it up with information and statistics.

    • angry angry says:
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      I never mentioned Oregon. I was talking more about Cal and Washington. They can’t brag so much. I’ve heard they use the racism thing, too.

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        I understand that you never mentioned Oregon. I might have mentioned Oregon too much? But you could fill in the blank for which ever coach you would like. (With the exception of Washington, Wazzu, and Arizona.) However, Arizona with Rich Rodriguez and Wazzu with Mike Leach, will both be able to point out their high powered, non conventional offenses compared to OSU’s plain Jane, vanilla style of offense. The California and Arizona schools have weather in their favor. Washingon (Seattle), Utah (Salt Lake), Colorado (Boulder) and even Oregon (Spewgene)have higher populations as an recruiting advantage. Pullman is more difficult to recruit to than Corvallis. But, Washington State’s last Rose Bowl 2003, Oregon State’s last Rose Bowl 1965. Go figure!

  • ObjCritic says:
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    I think OSU’s soft-sell insures they get kids that “want to be here,” which the staff feels is important. But Angry’s suggestion is well taken, be strategic with the blue-chippers or fence-sitters and recruit/visit hard AFTER the visit to the negative recruiters. But then, that would mean the staff would have to be strategic and abandon the same-thing-all-the-time-for-all-situations approach. You know, like when its third and 20, you have 23 yards rushing by the fourth quarter, and you’re still running play-action passes…

    OT From Scout, regarding OSU’s schedule:

    “This will be the first time OSU has played its opening two games of the season at home since 2005 and the first time it has played its last two games at home since 1998.

    Oregon State will be among the most experienced teams in the Conference in 2012 returning 58 players with game experience, including 16 starters. Beaver head coach Mike Riley played a school-record 10 true-freshmen last season and 23 first-time starters.

    Spring practice for the 2012 season begins March 12.

    Season ticket renewals will be available online beginning Feb. 1 at osubeavers.com

    2012 Oregon State Football Schedule
    Sept. 1 Nicholls State
    Sept. 8 Wisconsin
    Sept. 15 Bye
    Sept. 22 at UCLA
    Sept. 29 at Arizona
    Oct. 6 Washington State
    Oct. 13 at BYU
    Oct. 20 Utah (Homecoming)
    Oct. 27 at Washington
    Nov. 3 Arizona State
    Nov. 10 at Stanford
    Nov. 17 California
    Nov. 24 Oregon
    Nov. 30 Pac-12 Championship Game

    “Oregon State will be among the most experienced teams in the Conference in 2012 returning 58 players with game experience, including 16 starters.” – So the the youth excuse is out the window for this staff. They should be 3-1 after their first four games, especially with two at home. UCLA and AZ will have new coaching staffs, OSU has a bye before their first road game, and Riley will have his own experienced recruits in his own program, and they should be able to execute. The improvement between the Wisconsin game and the next game should be marked.

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      thanks for posting the schedule, I didn’t realize it was already out. 4-0 is very possible to start the season IF the coaching staff coaches this off-season with a sense of urgency. Actually, the schedule sets up pretty nicely with the more difficult games at the end of the season. Wisconsin shouldn’t be as tough with Wilson and Ball both leaving. It won’t be easy, but much more beatable than Wisconsin was this year. The first real Pac 12 test shouldn’t be till Game #8 at Washington although Utah really showed us up last year.

      • Kenny Beaver says:
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        I think that we only lose 2 conference games next year since we avoid USC again. We will lose to both UW and the Ducks but should win every other league game. I think we do lose to Wisconsin and at BYU, who have the refs in their pockets for home games. 8-4 and a trip to the Holiday Bowl for the first time ever. About time that we made a good bowl as I am never going back to the Vegas or San Fran bowls.

        • Jack says:
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          The Holiday Bowl is the new Sun Bowl in terms of bowl alliance and common league placement guidelines for bowl selections. They could take another pass on us if they wanted to do so. But it is in San Diego, no El Paso. As much as I love UTEP’s campus, it’s still in Texas.

        • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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          Was just looking at UW’s schedule. It’s brutal. They play LSU in week 2, then after their bye, they play Standord, @Oregon, USC in weeks 5-7. We get them in week 8, so hopefully they’ll have the crap sufficiently beaten out of them by that point of the season.

          http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-12/pac-10/2012-washington-huskies-football-schedule.php

          UCLA gets the scheduling benefit of skipping Oregon and UW next year. Their only tough games are USC and an early matchup with Nebraska, although every game is technically a tough game for UCLA really.

        • ObjCritic says:
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          Very optimistic unless some DT’s show up that can play right away.

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        4-0 to start the season is an absolute impossibility. We will make a better showing against Wisconsin than 35-0, but remember our September record and a Beaver can’t change its stripes.

        • beaverbeliver says:
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          Sorry to be the realist here but next year smells like 4-5 wins without a bowl. I think we improve in some areas but find ways to lose to teams that we shouldn’t. Wisc, UT and Oregon will destroy us again. BYU on the road looks like trouble and if Arizona finds a mobile quarterback we may be one of their few victims. I am not sure where all of this optimism comes from. The sad reality is that we are a mediocre football program.

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        4-0 really? Have you watched any football the last decade? Riley has lost at LEAST 2 games every season in September with the exception of one times since his second tenure as HC (he was 3-1 in ’03 his first year back). Riley is historically bad against Ucla (without looking at the media guide) he has beaten them only once, okay I had to look it up, he has beaten them twice all-time. Doesn’t matter if its Neuhisel, Dorrell, or Toledo. Wisconsin’s albeit won’t be what they are this year is still going to be a top 15 team. Nicholls St (see Sac St this year). Riley has had success at Arizona so that could be 50-50. On this website and you say they can be 4-0, wow. I think they will do what they do historically which is lose at LEAST 2 games ( my guess would be Wisconisn and Ucla). I can only hope and pray that we can beat Nicholls St and Arizona to finish 2-2, but 1-3 is a real possibility.

        Look, I like next years team better than this year, but early in the season there is no reason to be that optimistic.

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    Interesting topic. I think that sometimes fans think that OSU has tried to create the “family friendly” reputation. I believe the “family friendly” reputation is a result of who Mike Riley is and the tone he sets. This is who he is and how he recruits and the recruits that respond to that will commit and those that do not – won’t. I think it would be difficult for Riley to step out of character to go negative and I would imagine that if he did it would not come across very well because it would be uncomfortable. I respect Riley for his character and he certainly would be the type of coach that I would want my son to play for if he has the opportunity.

    All of that said, it may be one of the biggest reasons that OS struggles to get some of the big recruits. Sadly, character does not seem to matter as much as it used to. Most of the bigtime recruits and their “handlers” (sometimes that is their parents) are more interested in what they can get rather than who they can become.

    • Kenny Beaver says:
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      I think being negative catches up to you. Look at Stoops at Arizona. Who on earth would want to be in that environment for 4 years.

  • SalemBeav says:
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    Watching the OU bowl game, the announcer said OK doesn’t recruit, they select. For the most part there are two sets of Div 1 schools, the elite, that divvy up the 4 and 5 star recruits along with the paid franchises like UofO and OKsu. The second fight over the table scraps. There certainly is room for negativity when your not a known brand. From what I have heard, it would be an affront to who Riley is in his core, his faith to be negative. That is one of my main reasons for being a fan. But his faith doesn’t limit him on getting the team fired up, or firing a coordinator or two. As you said some kids like the soft sell approach, could possibly that work on 4 & 5 star recruits. OSU will never be an elite program until they are poaching from the big boys. Boise State has done well, and as dirty as they are, I’m sure there is some negative recruiting. But Boise is not an elite program and their strength of schedule is not even in the same time zone as OSU. I don’t think the issue is negativity in recruiting or branding to break into the elite. It’s hundreds of millions of dollars. Didn’t T Boone Pickens spend 300 million on their stadium? I think negative recruiting might differentiate you between the Kraft fight hunger bowl and the sun bowl. And if you are recruiting, you’re not selecting.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Paraphrasing: Young gladiators want to go to war with a leader that’s a warrior. The military has battle commanders and they have chaplains. The chaplains don’t lead the troops into battle.

    A recruiter who comes across as a chaplain isn’t going to get the attention of most young gladiators. Who’d want to follow one of them into battle? Not me.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      This is 100% correct.

      This could provide insight to why there are so few natural leaders on Riley’s teams. He doesn’t attract the pure warrior type.

    • Jack says:
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      Football isn’t war or a battle. And the players aren’t warriors. Gladiators could be fair enough if it’s in strictly the game sense and not involving death.

      It’s just a game. And it’s a very simple game.

      If it was war, we would all be sick of it within five minutes… just like real warriors are. Please don’t minimize war for the sake of a simple game.

      That being said, there are leadership traits which are universal. And some of them should be mentioned in passing when discussing a great leader. Some are mentioned, but they might be undesirable to the listener in the context discussed, as seems to be the case with Riley. The perception of his leadership is one which prioritizes development and camaraderie over wins and losses.

      That’s fine to a certain extent. But there is also value in winning. I think that’s what we’ve been trying to get across for several years now. Winning, development and family are not mutually exclusive ideals. Nor does one detract from another. But there are only certain levels of each to be attained. And if the highest level is achieved in any one, then any extra time spent on that one ideal is wasted time.

      I get the sense most of us feel that we have achieved the highest level of camaraderie attainable, but that our coaches continue to focus their energies on that ideal well into diminishing returns territory.

      I don’t have any evidence to argue against that sense, certainly nothing that is repeated as an exhibited trait or action or habit. I do know that Riley has had moderate success in his time at OSU… not great, just moderate. And anyone who wants to conflate that moderate success to be something more than it is provides an instant fallacy to their reasoning.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        Of course you’re right it isn’t really war. I did serve but wasn’t in combat so maybe that’s why it’s easy for me to use (rightly or wrongly) the verbiage that the players use. If you don’t believe they talk like that try Googling on football & “war out there”.

        When there’s a big pile of players you don’t think there’s eye gouging, etc going on down at the bottom of the pile? I’d bet that’s at least part of the reason the players wear eye shields in their helmets. In fact on more than one occasion I saw what looked to me like OSU D players putting their hands inside the opposing players face guards during a couple of games this year. I couldn’t help but wonder if there was a chance that perhaps they were being encouraged to do so by the coaching staff. I also submit that teams are not at all sorry if they’re able to injure the opposing players (QBs for example) enough so that they have to leave the game.

        I guess I should point out that even the big rivalry game with the ‘ucks is called the civil war.

        So I’ll try restating it in order to make the point I was trying to make. I’m going to use the word battle because even though it can refer to actual war it can also refer to non-deadly conflict.

        I don’t believe a coach who is a “nice guy” and stands on the sideline with a shit eating grin on his face while his team is getting their asses kicked is the type of person who is going to be effective when the team is in a real (non-war) battle. A person has to have a certain kind of character in order to get the most out of his “troops” when they’re engaged in an “activity” like college football and it isn’t the person who comes across as a bible thumping good guy. He might be someone you’d like to be friends with but not someone to lead you into battle.

        Your sensitivity to the use of the word war has me wondering if you served and were in combat?

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          You didn’t have to go that far. There are battles of wits, strategic battles, battles of wills. There are several war-like terms woven into our lexicon. I just shudder when I think that football players think they’re doing something noble and honorable by simply playing a game. And I don’t like it if that idea is reinforced.

          I did serve in the Navy. But I was lucky enough to never see any conflict. I have lost a lot of friends and sons and daughters of friends since my service. And I tend to direct the blame for their losses on the DC desk jockeys who minimize war to the point that they’re just playing with their joysticks while little pawns on their monitor move at their will.

          I can go off for quite a while, so I won’t.

          Suffice it to say that I also don’t like it when those who play the religion card and smugly sit on their thrones crack jokes to each other while the battles rage. I also don’t like it when they circle the wagons and blame their fans for not understanding how complicated the game really is… or smugly thumbing your nose at some fans who didn’t before but now want to take your high paying public sector job and shove it somewhere it would make you look like Marty Feldman for the rest of your life.

          It’s not like I haven’t seen it all before.

          • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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            I’m all for the leaders and/or their immediate families being in harms way if there’s going to be a battle. For example Bush had two “party girl” daughters when he and his administration decided to go to war with Iraq.

            I’m not saying they should be given a rifle and put out in the front lines but they could have been doing something like driving supply trucks. Obviously this would have also applied to misters Rumsfeld, Cheney and the rest of the crew. I’m sure almost all of them had kids, grand kids, nieces, nephews, etc. who would have been of the right age.

            I’m sure an argument for keeping the out of the battle field is “what if they’re captured?”. My response to that is that’s what happens in war and tough luck to the person who got caught.

            It might make these dick heads think twice before going to war.

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            Idiot boy’s party days made his daughters partying look like study hall. Most of the people south of our borders know that GHW attacked Noriega and his 15 man army in order to destroy the numerous videos and pics Noriega had of idiot boy and other US officials on the exclusive CIA Panama island of debauchery down there. GHW could have done the honorable thing and just frozen Panama’s banking until the cartels, gunrunners or other former CIA operatives just took Noriega out. But he needed an excuse to bomb several uninhabited file storage facilities in residential areas of Panama City, killing thousands.

            It’s not like GHW didn’t serve honorably before he got into politics. But then, GHW never bit off more than he could chew.

  • BeavMonkey says:
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    I am unsure how Cal and UCLA would use the racism thing…

    They enroll less african americans than we do, even though they are bigger schools.

    That said, you have to admit, we are a more conservative school than the ducks and especially Cal.

    But I don’t think I have seen any explicit racism…

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      It’s not really racism but I always thought it was more of a deal where they pointed out that there were very few blacks living in Corvallis.

    • cloudy says:
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      perception is reality and corvallis/osu are perceived to be far less diverse than most schools.

      • OSU4Life says:
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        With the Hewlett Packard office in Corvallis, they bring a lot of diversity to Corvallis with people from all over the World. It may not be one specific ethnic group, but Corvallis has a fair amount of diversity for a population base of around 60,000 people. I think the negative reputation comes from the Dee Andros years during the Civil Rights movement. He had a strict no facial hair policy, and some of his black players refused to shave, as an act of civil disobedience. It made national news, and it exploded in the media. I’m in my early 30’s, I’m only going by what I’ve heard. Someone who has been an Oregon State fan since that era will be able to expound more.

        • angry angry says:
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          Correct, by all reports that incident began the 28 year losing streak.

      • Orange fang says:
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        Oregon as a whole is something like 80% white. The town and university are so aware of this they thrown out the diversity buzzword in virtually every document touting the areas advantages. Having said that, racially motivated incidents in the town are really rare-and usually not oriented on African Americans

    • Kenny Beaver says:
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      I guess you missed the kid that was beat up by some frat boys a few years ago. Then the black caucus on campus called a number of meetings. We may not see the bias, but others do.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Towns like Corvallis, and states like Oregon, are not very racist. You want racism, go to Georgia or Alabama, or to the midwest. Notice how white the Wisconsin team was. Yet Russel Wilson chose that school to go to. Maybe the lack of a real black community section of Corvallis weighs against OSU in recruiting, but racism shouldnt. Face it, the whole world is somewhat racist, and that isnt going away. Minorities always have to put up with that to some extent.

      Surely an guy getting an athletic scholorship looks at two things — the quality of the school he will be getting a degree from, and the quality of the program he will be playing for with the hope of developing sufficiently to get a pro contract. The weight of the two considerations will probably vary depending on the kids notion of his chances to go pro.

      If he’s a dumbass, then the scholastic difficulty of the classes he will take may factor in.

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    Well wouldn’t that make us actually a lot less racist.

    There are not many blacks in corvallis. Our percentage of minority enrollees is not too different than the percentage of minorities in the population.

    On the other hand, in LA, where non-Hispanic whites are 29% of the population, it seems odd that UCLA is a 90% white school.

    Not so interesting for OSU because Oregon is 75% white non-hispanic.

    That said, there are a lot less black people in general in Oregon, so if they are from a place like the south, where they are likely to meet other blacks every day, that may not happen here.

    I guess it should be up to the kids as to whether they want that or not.

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      I am not saying we ARE less racist, I would have to guess that some people in Corvallis are probably more so, but demographics would make us seem a lot better. And overall neither school has problems with obvious racism

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    My 2 c — The “family” atmosphere makes it easy on the coaches….dont have to be demanding, losing is ok, and even teaching fundamentals well is not required. For lazy athletes it is ideal also. A kid might be a natural 4 star but doesnt want to work hard…..hey, OSU is the place for me, I can take it easy…..cruise to a possible pro career.

    Yes, we get some kids who are indeed motivated and want to win, but did anyone else want them? I think there are limitations to what can be accomplished with a “family” atmosphere, unless it somehow includes a drive to win. And ours does not.

    I think something has slipped within that family atmosphere. I think before the long term contract our coaches also had a drive to win, and the results reflect that. Now the results reflect the loss of that drive. …like the uninspired play calling.

    As to marketing, we have done nothing of consequence on that front. An example of what we could have done is right there to the south. Just a few years ago UO was a stranger to the BCS bowls. Now they are a regular, and a nationally known brand name.

    We are indeed little brother, and its gonna take a huge effort to rise above that. I dont see anything like that coming up.

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    Angry- You wrote about Ron Paul and the Iowa caucus and a so called pre-emptive war with Iran and I know this is a sports blog but since you brought it up- We have been at war with Iran for over 30 years, we just have not made it a shooting war as of yet. Though that may change it is very doubtful that it will be this administration. The taking of our embassy in 1979 was an act of war, a large % of the IED’s that have killed and maimed so many of our service members in Iraq and Afghanistan were made and shipped directly from Iran- that is an act of war. The recent news of a plot to kill the ambassador of Saudi Arabia here in our country is an act of war- if we do ever hit Iran it will be anything but “pre-emptive.” IMHO they have it coming and I hope we do it in a very harsh and destructive way. Fuck em

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      Read up on this. A war with Iran would be the end of us, economically and in the long run could not succeed. Hell, we have lost in Iraq. Iran will now control the oil producing sectors of iraq, now that we got rid of their enemy, Sadaam Hussein. Their religious faction is much stronger now in Iraq.

      Take a look at a map. Iran isnt flat like the populated part of Iraq is…..no sweeping tank advances possible.

      Iran is much stronger than you might think, as they fund insurgencies in various other muslim countries, and theirs is the only group to ever make Israel back down, which happened in Lebabnon, as I understand it.

      International sanctions made Iran stop their nulcear development program, as Sadaam was a bonafide enemy, right at their borders. But once we put Sadaam, down, and destroyed Iraq as a national entity, they started it up again, because we now cant do anything about it.

      This notion of nuking Iran (if that is what is in the minds of some Republican morons) would surely put the world against us. The unprovoked and disastrous invasion of Iraq was bad enough. If a ground war is projected, forget it. We had to call up the reserves and national guard to fight even Iraq, and that was against all policy and now results in fewer wanting a military occupation.

      We dont have the manpower to fight another, more difficult war.

      The invasion of Iraq almost finished us economically, and the huge deficit we now are trying to deat with comes directly from that act of huge republican greed (waging a war to reap the defense industry dollars at the expense now of all social programs). We dont have the economy to wage another, more difficult war.

      So dont talk nonsense, please.

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        I said nothing about invading Iran or popping a nuke on them. My point is that it would not be pre-emptive because they already are at war with us and we have not yet returned the favor. Pretty staright forward with no politcal b.s. But maybe they are just misunderstood and are going to stop so lets just let them keep on keeping on and do nothing which is what you are saying. That sure has been working out for the last 30 years. As for “republican greed” you are pretty good at talking points and I am sure that the only politicains that are greedy are on the right- take off the rose colored glasses steve- the government is screwing you from both sides of the aisle and never more so than in the last three years.

        I was just commenting on something Angry wrote and though I would not normally get into this I figured Angry would not have brought up politics and not expect any reply.

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          I did mention politics, but as a analogy to recruiting.
          Damn. Opened a can o’ worms.

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        ??????? Interesting take on things

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      We made our own bed in Iran in WWII by occupying neutral Iran and forcibly deposing Reza for the mass murdering puppet boy Mohammad Reza. Then we took the shit we were already into up to our waists and scooped it into our hands and rubbed it all over our faces and into our hair with Ajax, destroying a viable democracy and creating a power vacuum which could only be held together with bloody totalitarianism for 20 or so years, ending in a revolution.

      If you’re going to blame the Persians for what we created… continue. I’d like to hear more.

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        It was the Brits who initiated the move to get rid of Mosaddegh, a democratically elected Prime Minister, because he dared to suggest that BP should pay Iranian workers more and that a greater share of profits should go to the Iranian government.

        Interestingly, (to me anyway) when the Brits approached Harry Truman, he wasn’t interested in joining an overthrow, but Eisenhower agreed. Kermit Roosevelt was the major operator.

        Most US citizens don’t know that history but Iranians know it full well.

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          Thanks h.

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          Kermit Roosevelt is (well, “was” now) persona non grata in those parts. Then there are all the stories of Sid Richardson, John Connally, LBJ, Brown & Root, Halliburton, Bechtel… say… who built Iran’s nuclear infrastructure? Wasn’t Iran-Contra a patriotic action taken by patriots who just wanted to buy drugs from the Contras, sell it to our kids (patriotically of course), and use the profits to work the higher yield business of selling tons and tons and tons of weaponry to Iran? Didn’t all those same neo-dicks convince Russia that Iran was a prime market for more weaponry?

          Two of my EOD buddies told me that they were sick of scrapping IED’s made from US and Russian tech.

          If you think Britain initiated Ajax, then I suppose you think Seychelles ex-pats were really responsible for the 1981 coup attempt there? Or maybe idiot boy didn’t have anything to do with the failed coup in Venezuela a decade ago?

          Gawd! I’m headed for a meltdown if I have to explain to people who Abrams and Reich are. I’m gonna save you all further pain. Just stop bringing up politics. It causes an annoying swarm of ideas to stir in my head,and the only relief I have is to let it out in print.

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    Back to Football.
    I think it is time to move on from the racist thread as a vast majority of our football and basketball players are black. Obviously we are not BYU. So I don’t think the race factor has much to do with our poor recruiting. I think the image of “Lunch Pail U” versus “Flash and fun football” at Oregon is a bigger factor. What 18 year old wants to tell his friends I going to a blue collar school when I can play in the fast lane. Literally the FAST LANE.

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      Its not just blue collar vs flash. It is now losing vs winning. No bowl game, vs a BCS bowl.

      Riley better get nose to grindstone and find some energy and attitude, and get us back with a winning record, or I cant imagine why any kid would want to come here, unless he is lazy and doesnt want to work hard, athletically.

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      Unsure how we(The state’s flagship research university) qualifies as a blue collar school over The ducks(Flagship liberal arts university).

      I mean, we become engineers and scientists and they turn out the communication majors.

      You would think think that the success of our graduates could lure some football players.

      Alas, there are precious few football players who want to be scientists or engineers. And for those that are, they often get offers from Stanford.

      That said, I don’t want to improve our football program by selling our sociology major…

      Perhaps someone(this is not Riley or any athletics people’s responsibility) should work on improving the school’s academic rep, which seems to be significantly undersold.

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        We are not even the best engineering school in the state let alone a top 25 school but I agree, football players are not interested in that major anyway.

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          Of course we aren’t a top 25, but neither are the ducks. I’d say that as far as majors that are useful, they have Finance and we have the STEM ones.

          Who in the state has a better engineering school than us?

          just curious?

          Don’t say reed college, that place is a hippiefest and expensive to boot.

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            Funny you bring that up: The other day someone was talking about how this is a terrible time to be a Beaver fan… and my immediate thought was NO! OSU is about more than football, and engineering is one place where changes are happening.

            OSU is not a great engineering school right now. (I work in a top 5 engineering school right now. I can tell you that there is a really big gap). But the administration is working really hard to change that, and they are making some good progress. OSU is growing through this bad economy at a time when many other programs are backsliding. Some stats about changes over last 10 years (2001->2011). It’s been slow, but steady:

            Total Faculty: 150->196 (30% growth)
            UG Enrollment: 2927->4217 (44% growth)
            Grad Enrollment: 460->842 (83% growth)
            Research Income: $15.4 million -> $33.9 million (120% growth)
            UG Degrees: 429->575 (34% growth)
            MS Degrees: 117->177 (51% growth)
            PhD Degrees: 22->39 (77% growth)

            The biggest deal is the increase in PhD candidates and research dollars. That moves OSU engineering toward being a real research institution. Fret about football all you want, but 20 years down the road, what this state will really benefit from is having more people who know how to build bridges and design new computer chips.

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            I thought OSU was a great engineering school? I hear this all the time…

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            It’s a good engineering school right now. Certainly the biggest in the state. Has some really nice programs too. I’m a big fan of MECOP, which helps students get real world internships. I’d recommend it to most anyone who wants to get a bachelors degree and become a working engineer. The big difference is in research. You will find world class researchers at OSU, but the average level of research activity at places like MIT, Cal, or Stanford is at a different level.

            For the last 10 years, the big campaign for OSU has been to become a top 25 engineering school. I was skeptical when it started, but it seems like progress is actually happening, at least based on the news that trickles to me. The most encouraging thing to me is that OSU is hiring new professors. It think it’s a good time to to be doing that if you can, because a lot of university, even places like Cal or Stanford, have dramatically cut back their faculty searches, so there are top quality researchers available.

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            Interesting-my son is a junior at OIT in Software, and was just accepted into the MECOP program this past month. He starts interviews this month…MECOP is two six month internships with two companies.

            The experience should look great on the resume, and he will “know” more about the real world once graduation comes…

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            I think a lot of the rankings are overblown for the “top 25” schools. They should really say “top 25 schools for advanced degrees” because the professors that do all the leading research seem to be the ones that miss every other class and invest little time in teaching undergrads.

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            It’s a great school for an undergraduate degree. It’s not excellent in terms of grad research, which is how many schools are judged and where the big money lies. But some success has been seen on an international level in the last couple years. OSU has been doing more with less on more than the football field. That’s why their engineering department and students are enjoying great success with a little more than less in applied tech competitions, innovations and research opportunities.

            That’s why stories like this are starting to appear more ferquently:
            http://www.earthtechling.com/2011/09/oregon-wave-energy-effort-nets-lockheed-martin/

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            Totally agree with what Jack says. I realize what I wrote might have sounded too negative. I’m damn proud of my OSU engineering degree, and I wouldn’t have wanted to go anywhere else for undergrad. Still, I think it’ll be good for the state that OSU engineering is ramping up their advanced degree and research programs. It’ll give companies like HP and Intel more reason to stay instate, and will help to bring in new companies too.

  • angry angry says:
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    I’d just like to add: I haven’t watched one bowl game. Watched bits of the Rose Bowl, but that was it.

    Anyone else not care?

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      I didn’t care. The system is stupid and some of the sponsored names are ludicrous. Why would you mention the name of the bowl? Team names, maybe but if you’re not a fan of that particular school, why bother?

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      It’s too bad that you missed the Sugar Bowl. Virginia Tech got screwed by Pac-12 officiating!
      It showed the World how inept the Pac-12 officiating is.

      [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG7Gt6C9rFM&w=560&h=315%5D

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      Sorry for the earlier posting of the same youtube clip, this one is better.

      In case you missed it, the Pac-12 officials cost Virginia Tech the Sugar Bowl! They single handedly took over the game and robbed this poor kid of a Touchdown, even after reviewing it for over 2 minutes!!!

      PAC-12 officials are the worst in all of college football, they left no doubt this time.

      [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Xh8MlPw38&w=560&h=315%5D

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    Sorry Angry I’ve been gorging on the bowl games. I just put Clemson vs. West Virginia on pause to tap this out. Some great games with compelling story lines. A few duds, but that’s what fast forward is for. I even have the DVR programmed for North Dakota State vs. Sam Houston State on Saturday.

    I hope OSU’s absence from post-season play isn’t the sole reason for your lack of interest.

    It’s too bad that only the Ducks and Utah represented our league. The Stanford loss however may propel the Ducks to BCS final of 3, with a shot at 2. Despite the rivalry I still contend that will indirectly help the Beavs. JB

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      Yeah… I had to watch the RB because of my wife. And I watched a little bit of the Fiesta. But I’ve only voluntarily turned on the FCS playoffs, and the NDSU game is all I plan to watch from here on out. Frankly, the Harvard at UND series was much more compelling than what the bowl season has turned into.

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    snip
    Michigan kicker says he was thinking about ‘brunette girls’

    Sometimes, it’s easy to forget college football players are just college kids.

    Then they give you a great answer at a press conference, and you remember how honest/funny 20-year-olds can be.

    Michigan’s Brendan Gibbons kicked a 37-yard field goal to win the Sugar Bowl Tuesday night in overtime. (By the way, this is the same guy who went 1-for-5 as a kicker last season, with his only make a 24-yarder.)

    So what was going through Gibbons’ mind when he lined up to kick the ball?

    “Brunette girls,” he said. “Every time we were like struggling in kicking, Coach tells me to think about girls on a beach or brunette girls. So that’s what we did. Made the kick.”

    Make sure you watch the video of his answer. It’s hilarious:
    snip

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/01/michigan-kicker-says-he-was-thinking-about-brunette-girls/1?csp=ip

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Wonder what the Stanford kicker was thinking about????

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        Brunette boys?

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          He was probably thinking, why is my coach such a dumb ass that he does not try to score a touchdown with three time outs, a once in a generation talent at QB, and a running game that had been gashing Okie State all night?

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    This is off topic but it looks like the conversation is shifting and this has been on my mind for awhile.
    I’m wondering when Chip Kelly will make the jump to the NFL. I say when because most coaches can’t resist the sirens. Here are some reasons:
    1. Like I said, most college coaches can’t resist going to the NFL (Riley, Erickson x 2, etc).
    2. Kelly sees what Harbaugh and Carroll are doing.
    3. Kelly may be weighing his stock in the NFL with 3 good seasons (or 4, etc) vs his chances of a college national championship.
    4. He may be facing NCAA sanctions.
    5. He saw Carroll get away before the NCAA sanctions shit storm.

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      Another reason. Kelly can barely tolerate booster functions. According to my Duck buddies he has curtailed some long standing luncheon and post-game social events. I don’t think NFL Head Coaches are expected to socialize with fans. JB

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    wonderful post. 17 year olds are unpredictable beings. im not even sure that its so unethical to practice negative recruting, so long as coaches remain truthful.

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      Thanks.
      Whether it is ethical or not is a good question, one that touches on this prior post:
      http://angrybeavs.com/academics/6433

      You’re right, as long as they’re truthful it is probably ethical.

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        i guess it comes back to the analogy to politics. candidates aren’t typically criticized for smearing opponents or at least attempting to shed a bad light on them, unless what they’re saying/implying about them isn’t true. the same probably goes for college football coaches. for cal or washington coaches to claim that corvallis is a small, quiet, perhaps even podunk or red-neck-friendly might be fair, but to paint it as a collectively racist community certainly is not. i’m sure it’s a line that is crossed by certain coaches from time to time. personally, i’m not sure how much or how little this tactic helps in the recruiting process, but if its common with many coaches but not with riley and his staff then to me its just one more thing that makes the beaver football program dangerously behind the times.

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    Maybe Montee Ball will be at Reser next year:

    http://tracking.si.com/2012/01/04/report-sources-suggest-montee-ball-will-return-for-senior-season/?sct=cf_t2_a3

    If so, it makes the game more watchable from the standpoint of enjoying high level talent, it also makes the game much more difficult for OSU.

    I can’t imagine that this is a sound decision. Seems he’s proven himself pretty well this year? What does he gain from staying? I mean, besides the fun of college life.

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      No way Wisconsin is in the national title picture next year, I wonder what Ball is thinking unless he just likes school.

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    This would be bad ass
    http://imageshack.us/f/840/beavs.png/

    • OSU4Life says:
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      That looks AWESOME!!! I hope OSU (Bobby DeCarolis) will go through with it!

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        I just edited it lol.. not reall (sorry!) haha

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          Lose the piping… and the helmet decal.

          or…

          Can someone explain to me why extra stripes are considered cool? I’m a fan of pure and simple with contrasting colors and strong, solid, well located stripes (shoulder, one down the leg, one across the helmet, etc.). So seeing any extra lines on a uni just makes me think we might as well hang Christmas tree ornaments here and there.

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      Looks great, but if #12 is a cornerback he is facing the wrong way!

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      Love the look!! Hope it becomes a reality because the team needs a more agressive look to them.

  • Fightingbeaver says:
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    What is needed is some negative advertising against our super great winning coach Riley. You guys spend all your time yapping about mediocre recruiting by a failed coaching staff and miserable head coach……what a waste of energy. So you through in the towel and call it quits letting Riley thumb his nose at all Beaver fans because he is untouchable.

    Meanwhile, to the south, the ucks win the Rose Bowl, floods of money come into the program from donors and fans. What a joke. I bet Bob D. and feable minded Riley spend the first 10 minutes of their morning meeting laughing at Beaver fans. Remember whimps, Riley and Bob D. are human beings just like us, except most of us are a bit smarter and are successful in our endeavors. The legacy of Boob D. and gum chewing Riley is taking the OSU football program to the toilet then flushing it. I hope you “great fans” can sleep at night.

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    I think it is an obligation of a recruiter to point out the pratfalls of signing with another school if the concerns are within the realm of possibility. I would have hammered Tyner with as many worst case scenarios about the Ducks getting sanctions as possible including them being banned from a bowl game next season for him to consider.

    If I have a pretty good understanding of another schools depth chart and my recruit is interested in that school then I would certainly give my opinion on stumbling blocks to playing time that recruit might encounter and why he may not face them if he signs with us. If those scenarios are considered negative, then I guess I’m ok with negative.

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      mckalk, the problem with your scenario is that it is all based on wishful thinking. If I am a recruit like Tyner who has visited lots of schools, I make my decision on what I have seen in person. That means he sees, 3 conference championships, a coaching staff that has been together forever, worldclass facilities, surrounded by tremendous talent that can probably go to a good bowl every year, is very close to home so his parents can go to every game, and a track program that also contends for a NCAA title. Now tell me, would you really turn this down because the school might get some kind of reprimand. I think he and his parents are smart enough to bring up the issue and ask for information. He probably has better insight than anyone posting on this board. We are going to lose the best in state recruits until we start winning the day.

      • SadBeaver says:
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        You sure sound like a Duck troll to me.

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          When the truth hurts be sure to play the troll card. i thought we could all be truthful in our thoughts on this site. This isn’t always kneel down before MR and BDC. Look at the last 3 years and we are not getting the best kids from inside Oregon. We used to own in state recruiting. If we lose Semaulo to USC it will only reinforce my point

          • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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            You could have also mentioned that Tyner made his decision AFTER attending the Sac. State game. Kind of hard for the Riley apologists to to account for that one except to say he’d already made his decision before the game. hahahaha yeah, right.

            That game (and the rest of the season) could also have affected Mr. Semaulo’s decision too.

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        Why stop at winning the day? Maybe we should step it up and start winning the hour, or even the minute? WTM!!

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          Win the fleeting moment…

          WTFM?

        • ObjCritic says:
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          ‘Wynn the Day!”

        • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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          Perhaps we’ve already come up with our motto. We were all saying it after the Sacramento State game last year…..WTF?

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        I just think they should not be hesistant to use whatever they have at their disposal to land recruits without resorting to actually being untruthful is all that I’m saying.

  • Jack says:
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    Gentlemen, do not try this at home games:

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    UO football players are taking sign language. This has many implications. The most important is the true meaning of the goofy “O” sign.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/sports/ncaafootball/american-sign-language-program-attracts-oregon-football-players.html?_r=1
    Now think of 40,000+ rabid fans at autzen signing this.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      LOL!!!!!!!

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        I guess they are literally calling themselves the University of Vagina.
        And we get jokes about being Beavers….

    • mckalk says:
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      Yeah, there was something on local Portland television a couple of weeks ago. I guess I should have mentioned it then!

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    Saw OSU commit WR Malik Gilmore on the replay of the Semper Fi game and he looks to be a stud! Going against the best, he can hold his own. He may start next year us especially if Wheaton goes to the NFL.
    Jack, have you heard whether he got a good evaluation or not?

    • Jack says:
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      Markus never filed any paperwork. I don’t know where that rumor started.

      • Jack says:
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        But there are rumors that Brock Osweiler will declare. I would do all i could to get away from Todd Graham too.

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      Accourding to Brandon Sprague, Wheaton will be back next year.

      @BrandonSprague Brandon Sprague
      Just spoke with a source very close to OSU WR Markus Wheaton and they told me Wheaton has NOT submitted paperwork regarding NFL draft.

      and

      @BrandonSprague Brandon Sprague
      Was told by the source that Wheaton is very adamant about finishing school first.

  • Jack says:
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    Who has a list of Pac 12 early draft entries? Off the top of my head, I can think of Luck, Martin, DeCastro, Polk, Burfict, Perry and Kalil. Has LMJ made it official?

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      after the Rose bowl, LMJ teased that he may come back, but I can’t believe he’d be that stupid.

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        Allegedly, he is not very intelligent. Had to transfer to an Arkansas HS after football season to qualify for UO (Lyle’s strategy), and has significant tutoring assistance.

        I think he’s enjoying the college experience greatly,and I can understand that. But given that speed is his primary selling point (I think his strength is underrated by most but is a big reason for his success), risking injury is simply not wise.

        I suppose he could cut back on carries with Barner and Thomas and Carson(?) there, and still rewrite many Pac records. UO should be better next year. But I’m not sure its worth a blown knee.

        If he stays because he enjoys college football so much, I have to respect the motivation behind the decision.

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        Sounds like LMJ has hired an agent, so his college days are officially over.

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    I took Gman’s uniform concept and wrote a new piece on it. Added a contrasting OS to the neck is all. Why BDC takes years, if even then, to make changes that could take just days is beyond me.

    Hey BDC…it took fans 1 Day!
    http://beaverbyte.com

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    Seems like a trend to stay in school longer. Jonathon Franklin is returning UCLA for senior year. If you are not a first round pick, the money is not as good as it was and even if you are a first rounder the money is much less than 2 years ago.

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      Wow! Johnathan Franklin gives up being an undrafted FA and a two year practice squad player for going back to school? How noble of him. I hope he held a presser for that announcement.

      • Kenny Beaver says:
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        Franklin said he was 50/50 and Mora talked him in to staying.

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          What in the world was he thinking? He’s going to take his sub-1000 yard skills against a weak schedule (and in a run oriented offense) to the NFL to great fanfare? Maybe he hoped to make a roster as a special teams player somewhere so he could make the minimum and take care of some financial hardship for his family?

          That’s a huge risk.

          He has some talent, which will get him some camp invites. But his game will stall where it is if he goes pro now. He needs a solid year of playing as a feature back in a real offense before the NFL will look at him.

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    ESPN confirms Ball coming back for senior year. Ball, a Heisman Trophy finalist and the Big Ten’s offensive player of the year this season, announced his decision Thursday afternoon in Madison. He said the NFL draft advisory board gave him a third-round grade, which left him “disappointed.”
    Looks like the game just got a little tougher next year.

    • Jack says:
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      That’s pretty much been known since Tuesday morning. But you can see why I questioned Franklin’s noise about declaring if Ball gets a nice third round nod.

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    JC DT Matt Foley apparently on Beavs radar as a strong candidate to plug in on the defensive line next year even though he doesn’t wipe properly. No wait, I’m mixing him up with his buddy Bennett Brauer, whom I hear has some good potential at DT as well.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Isaac doing well against the country’s best:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2012/01/isaac-seumalo-under-armour-game.html

    Man, that is SO encouraging to hear. I hope OSU does not lose him. When is the last time things like that were said about an OSU commitment?

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      I noticed that he said his goal for right now is to win the state championship. That will be a good recruiting hook for the Trojans. With them he has a chance at the national championship. With the Beavs and Riley he has a chance for the toilet bowl.

      • sparkyd73 says:
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        OK. I’ve had it with you mud. So many people think that being critical is being negative. That is not true. It means that you look at the facts without letting your emotions and biases cloud your judgement. But as much as the Pollyannas are maligned on this site, I think the people that are crazy negative are exactly the same. I understand frustration but usury making negative statements like this aren’t helpful to anyone.

        One reason I continue to read this blog is that it is a group of well informed people that aren’t overly blinded by their love of OS. Maybe this is just me, but I get just as annoyed by the fan that can’t even accept that OS may actually do good things also. I enjoy being a fan of OS, it is one of my hobbies. But if it ever gets to the point that I never have anything positive when I think of OS athletics I will walk away. Why do it to yourself?

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          So how exactly is he wrong?

          USC may legitimately get into the NC game within the next four years.

          We will probably be fighting to get into the Kraft Fight Hunger bowl within the next four years.

          The 2013 team looks good, but doesn’t have any shining athletes on defense that will put us in the Pac-12 championship at any point.

          Generally, I tend to dislike those that end up in perpetual duck-bashing on this site… if you realistically look at our team, then firing our coaching staff from the ground up is the best way to proceed.

          • Jack says:
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            USC won’t play for the NC while Fink is the head coach. Next year will be their best shot, and he will find a way to lose at least one (if not more) games.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    ESPN3 is carrying the Under Armour game. Now.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    saw on Scout that the Beavs are visiting O line recruit David Keller

    http://oregonstate.scout.com/a.z?s=182&p=2&c=1145886&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2foregonstate.scout.com%2f2%2f1145886.html

    Keller is the guy who originally committed to Fresno State but is starting to gain interest now from bigger programs. He’s been in Beaver rumor for over a month now.

    Also, the Oregonlive blogger says:
    On the recruiting front, OSU is looking at a potential defensive line recruit in Destiny Vaeao. He goes to school in Samoa. Also, keep an eye on WR Richard Smith, who was an ASU commit. Smith will be visiting soon and recently had a visit from Coach Brennan. Last, according to Beaverblitz, OL Stan Hasiak had an in-home visit with coach Riley. Hopefully some good news will be out soon!

    Don’t know much about Destiny- He’s one of the guys in this video, good luck figuring out who…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMqm65d2CQk

    And from reading comments on Scout, it sounds like Stan Hasiak’s dad has confirmed recently that Stan will be a Beav soon, but needs to get a few things in line as far as academic transfers before he can start school. Possibly on campus Spring 2012.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Some nice additions there potentially. “Destiny?” Poor guy. Having a stripper’s name. He ought to change it if 18….

    • Jack says:
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      “Don’t know much about Destiny- He’s one of the guys in this video, good luck figuring out who…”

      It says in the beginning that he is the 6’3.5″ 255# kid wearing number 88. So I kinda assumed that that big kid at TE with the two 8’s on his jersey was the kid to watch. 😉

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Hmmm, sounds like a DE project?

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        nice, not sure how i missed that the first time around, seemed like it started with the globe graphic. i must have blinked for 4 seconds.

        Also, anybody else amazed by the amount of rain on the field in some of those clips? Imagine how heavy your feet would be running through puddles that size.

    • Kenny Beaver says:
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      Hasiak doesn’t have an offer from any one except OSU so unless someone else steps forward, we are his only choice. Looks like this one is in the bag unless the academics get in his way.

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        Makes you wonder why nobody else is offering the guy? He has 3 years of eligibility left. Sounds like a potential Dominic Glover situation. Will be able to put it together academically and make it onto the field? Is it worth the risk to use a scholarship on the guy? He was a 4 star talent a couple of years ago when entering UCLA, but those stars won’t do much good on the sidelines.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      According to Scout, Hasiak has a verbal to UCLA and 6 other very good offers.

      http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=3234381

      A couple of big boys – Heller and Hasiak. Listed at 6’5″ and 6’6″ respectively. Nice to see OSU getting some height on the line, their OT’s often seem to be lacking the “ideal” height and reach.

      • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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        That’s old data about Hasiak on Scout and Rivals, from 2 years ago when he initially signed with UCLA. Since that time, he has left their program because of academic ineligibility, and spent last year at Mt SAC community college near his hometown in California. None of the offers you’re seeing on that site still exist.

        • Jack says:
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          I used to live near Makakilo/Kapolei, and I’m pretty sure it isn’t in California.

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    Seems like we have a ton of recruits that are ready to commit but we already have 20-21 verbals. Anyone know how many scholarships that we have this year? I thought the maximum any school could sign was 25.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      I’ve heard about 25. There will probably be a few greyshirts and walkon invitations.

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