26.Feb.2012 Basketball: Oregon @ Oregon State (Civil War)

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Jack:

Let’s just start this one off with me thinking we will win this game. It’s a good match-up, and we should win.

That being said, this has been a disappointing season thus far by reasonable expectations. It’s not lost until it’s done. But it is still disappointing. These boys know how to play. They’ve shown up for some great play. But they’ve been lost in the wonder and mystique of “this is the Pac 12″ rather than just getting out there to play.

So let’s remind them of their pre-season goal.

They didn’t express a wont to win the conference during the regular season. I don’t know why not. I choose to expect the best and settle for whatever happens. But they chose not to address that parameter. They chose instead to concentrate on the Pac 12 Tourney. So I’ve been watching the games with that in mind. Who can we beat in a one-out situation?

The answer is everyone. But our boys have to want it. And it needs to start now. I’ve drawn comparisons t a Big East ninth place UCONN from last year. I don’t have the same expectations from our boys. But my expectations for winning and losing never exclude effort.

Much was made of Lamar head coach Pat Knight embarrassing his own players in public this past week. Yes, Knight as in Knight. What he said was 100% true. But it wasn’t like it was refreshing or eye-opening. It was your standard “don’t fail yourself” speech every kid hears in summer camps or pre-season meetings. The bottom line is that a team is insular during the season. They win, lose, die and try within themselves. When someone steps out of the team and chooses to destroy it, that is on them.

For the first time in Coach Rob’s tenure, I have not seen that from this team. When they fail, they do so as a unit. When they succeed, they do so with a flair.

This team can beat anyone. They won’t. But they can. And that’s what frustrates me more than anything.

Are they a year removed?

Maybe.

But that’s their choice.

Beavs 85 – Ducks 78

Angry:

I just think the Ducks are playing better ball right now. Beavs have lost 4 in a row and 5 of 6. Ducks want revenge. Ducks have the better coach. Beavs were playing better at home earlier this year, so maybe they regain some of that magic, but it's in my nature to play the odds.

Ducks 72, 64

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  • osbeavs says:
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    My heart wishes that Jack was right, my brain tells me that Angry has it today.

    • Jack says:
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      I agree.

      The match-up says we win. But they have to actually play to do it.

    • angry angry says:
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      I’ve been wrong so often with hoops I might as well give up. Last few years I’ve had my finger on the pulse, but something isn’t right this year…just can’t figure out what motivates these players and when they’ll show up. If I say they lose they’ll probably win!

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        You have the same problem as our coach. He can’t figure out how to motivate them either.

  • Jack says:
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    Rumors in town have the Ducks “allowing” Altman to “shop around.” Apparently he has a (*potty mouth!*) demeanor which is not (*potty mouth!*) conducive to life in Eugene.

    On top of that, he has brought the lowest common denominator to his team in order to win. And THAT does not sit well with boosters.

    They know they’re stuck with him for now. And he’s a decent coach. Doug McDermott proves that he’s not awesome.

    Sidenote: McDermott Jr. should be the NCAA POY.

    It will not be a happy time here in Eugene if Altman sticks around.

  • Jack says:
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    OOH!

    A win today would be CW win #100 at home.

    • osbeavs says:
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      You read on the OSU website that our 184 wins vs UO is 2nd all time in NCAA history vs any opponent (did they write that right…?). They said that number 1 is UW vs UO at 186 wins.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    So far I’m not finding any links for the Beav’s game but here’s a link for

    Colorado taking it to Cal: http://www.justin.tv/sportzzworld38#/w/2671074160/4

  • locusimperium says:
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    go beavs!

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    collier?

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Ducks much more aggressive around the basket.

  • angry angry says:
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    Wow that was a dumb pass by Starks.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I’d like to see one of the OSU seniors take that f*cking Sim out.

  • angry angry says:
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    Beavs lose.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    where’s the leadership? Been the one lacking ingredident all season.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I’d say it’s time for this again.

    Based on the Trib story and what Jack posted, during this past week the gross pay of the folks in the OSU athletic department that I wonder about are as follows:

    Bobby D ~ $9,615.00 ($500K annual)
    Mike R ~$22,000.00 ($1,151,667. annual)
    Mark B ~ $6,933.00 ($360.5K annual)
    Craig R ~$18,269.00 ($950K annual)

    http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=130212662027395500

    Are OSU and the fans getting their money’s worth?

    • Jack says:
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      When you consider that only MR gets money enough to crack the top five (Kelly, Belotti, Altman and Kent are all paid more than he is… on the state’s dime) then I’m not sure what you’re complaining about.

      I mean, I know what you’re saying. And I think it needs to be said. But you’re not pointing at the school yard bully. You’re pointing at the kid in the corner who doesn’t participate in recess.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    F’n Devoe Josseph

    • Jack says:
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      Don’t blame the quitter who couldn’t handle discipline somewhere else. Just because he was a quitter in the Midwest doesn’t mean he’s a loser.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Of all the teams he had to go to…………..undergrad arch rival.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    This year has really sucked. Did it seem like the Ducks got every hustle play?

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    Did anyone else notice the Ducks wore their black road unis today? Just a little extra FU.

    I noticed the UO/AD sitting behind their bench. Do you think he is there to monitor Altman’s alleged potty mouth? I’ll bet he’s on thin ice with those 20 wins.

    PS: Anyone else feeling the CBI magic?

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    M Johnson nailed it. They go street ball at the end of games and don’t play team offense.

    • CVO beav says:
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      Noticed coaches had buttons that said “on the line” one could only wish they were talking about their jobs

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Luck smokes D Thomas in 40 time at NFL combine.

  • angry angry says:
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    After Northwestern, OSU has the longest tourny drought of any BCS school.
    Wow.

    • Jack says:
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      That is impressive.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Not really. I graduated in 84 and got to see some great teams. It is mind boggling that the program has tanked to such a degree.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    I don’t think any one play was the difference in the game, I think it was rather Craig’s decision to go with the 1-3-1 zone defense. It is not effective at all. The Ducks scored, or got to the foul line on damn near every possession against it. That was really the difference. Craig is a little stubborn and wants to stick with that zone but it’s a bad decision. Teams that have good shooters will eat it alive as Oregon showed. Oregon didn’t get too many open looks against the M2M defense and hit some tough shots, but the 1-3-1 allowed the to have open looks, and Sim and Joseph took advantage. They don’t run the 1-3-1 and the Beavers win by 8-10 points. Craig has got to stop being so stubborn about it. Stick to the M2M for the whole ballgame.

    Another big thing that happened was bench production. Oregon’s bench completely outplayed the Beavers bench. Ducks had 20 points off the bench and the Beavers had 10. 4 points from Roberto is not gonna cut it. He had open looks and didn’t knock them down. He also took some really poor shots. He lost confidence during the game and eventually stopped looking for his shot, especially when it’s wide open. That can’t happen. Hard to win games when your bench is completely outplayed.

    Frustrating to fall just short.

    • Jack says:
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      I won’t argue with the poor decision with regards to the 1-3-1. That defense just sucks. It allowed them to get back in the game when they had no business even pretending to compete.

      I’m going to be angry about a lot of things in this game. But the 1-3-1 won’t be the focus.

  • angry angry says:
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    I can’t believe Moreland hit a 3.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      I was in the crowd and was like “No, Don’t shoot it! NO! Great shot!” He looked really good shooting it but I’m not totally surprised it went in, his jumpers in pregame and pre-second half warmups were going down every time. His shot looked good. If he develops a consistent 16-17 footer in games, I think he would play a lot more.

      • mckalk says:
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        He HAS to develop that game to be effective. He should be able to shoot over anyone if he has confidence.

  • slamadam says:
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    went to the game… tough way to end the weekend. shouldve/couldve been a win IF…
    -cunningham has his usual game. (4 of 8 at the line?)
    -olu asholu (or however you spell it) doesn’t get away with the most blatant travel to ever be missed by 3 officials ive ever seen in the first half. (they got a basket that possession.)
    -garret sim doesn’t have the game of his life
    -asholu doesn’t make a once in a lifetime buzzer beater at the end of the first half.
    also- if you got the feeling watching the game that sim acts like shithead, its because he is one. i can honestly say he’s one of the biggest assholes ive ever met, duck or no duck.
    CBI runs aren’t so bad i guess..

    • Jack says:
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      There was never any oblivious or unsound conclusion to yesterday’s game. Brill reffed.

      Brill SUCKED!

      NIKEGON SUCKS!

      THE UNIVERSITY OF OREGON SUCKS GREAT BIG BALLS OUT OF HABIT

      • Jack says:
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        Or maybe some of you don’t understand…. question mark)(innocent exclamation point).

        ok… sarcasm sucks like itoes

    • osbeavs says:
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      Not surprised that sim is an asshole. Brennan Sim (same family) was an asshole too. I bet its a familial trait.

  • mckalk says:
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    You guys can blast me, but I’m starting to come to the conclusion that team is only marginally more talented then Craig’s first and second team. Notice, I said talent, not athleticism Maybe they are slightly better next year, but I’m not betting on it. I fear after Cunningham leaves there’s another big drop off. I’m not seeing the next leader from this group of guys. They really remind me of the Brent Barry era Beavers. Good enough for one or two upsets a year and not much else.

    • Jack says:
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      That’s better than we’ve seen for 20 years.

      I’m still pissed at the game Hall and Brill called. I’m not the first observer to complain about what Brill does on the court. This has been happening for several years now. The mainstream media has written about his poor work.

      He needs to be a high school ref so he can torture the sport away from places where anyone is watching.

      • mckalk says:
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        He is just so unbelievably inconsistent from play to play. It has to be a coaches nightmare. I hope he is at least in private forced to rationalize his foul call on Moreland there at the end. It’s not like it was a bang-bang play.

        • Jack says:
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          Coach Rob couldn’t be shown for most of the game because us non-lip-readers could read a stream of speech which made this sailor blush.

          • JD says:
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            I’m not sure about Altman’s potty mouth but one of his bench coaches was trying to out duel Robinson for the title of ruddiest cheeked sailor.

    • ean says:
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      Yeah I have been saying for a while that I think Riley and Robinson recruit similar level athletes. Also I don’t think Seth Tarver ever got his dues (among the casual fans at least) for Robinsion’s first couple of years. I mean don’t get me wrong Cunningham is a pro prospect and Collier is a borderline prospect if he gets a chance to hit that baseline and fouling extended jumper.

      • sparkyd73 says:
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        I totally disagree that the talent level is the same as when CR got here. Excluding Seth Tarver, there was very little else D1 talent on that team. I understand that McKalk is trying to make the distinction between athleticism and talent. But I think that the difference at this level between athleticism and talent is COACHING. I think the better comparison between Robinson and a football coach is Tedford. Good recruiter – but doesn’t follow it up with wins.

        I think the one area that you can compare Riley with Robinson is that they have both hit their ceilings.

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    Jack’s prediction of a Beaver win yesterday was right on. JB

    Is that sarcastic enough?

  • Jack says:
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    How does Cowherd get a national show? Dude is a major league douche.

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      I think he’s a bit of a douche on the air, but Cowherd is a surprisingly nice guy in person. He overheard my wife and I talking about Portland on a tram at the Minneapolis airport last summer and started up a conversation about when he lived there. I did not bother letting on that I knew who he was.

      • Jack says:
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        Well… I’m only going off his on-air content. If I were to believe everything he says, then he would be right at home eating a $1 steak at a strip club every day for lunch.

        I’m thinking there’s a good reason for his failed personal life.

        I thought he said something about being a “West Coast leaning voice” for ESPN when he went there. That hasn’t happened. All I hear about the West Coast is how he grew up in Washington as a Yankees fan.

        He also managed to call four consecutive CW’s incorrectly… not the last three, but the four previous.

        • mckalk says:
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          Understood, I have never been a regular listener and I don’t get his national appeal. If I’m thinking of the same guy, they even tried him at college football two or three years ago and he was cringe-worthy. The times I have listened he is a big proponent of “power” teams always being strong for the betterment of their sport….Yankees, Patriots, USC-football, Duke basketball.

          • Jack says:
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            Patriots… funny.

            If he held true to his “thought,” then the Pats would have never become a “power team.”

            But they do play in a large media market.

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    Jack
    All your whining about refs makes you sound worse than a duck fan, Time to grow a pair.
    My god, we trailed most of the game yesterday and were lucky to have a chance to win it at the end.
    The refs that you complain about did not take the 3 that could have tied it! We make the shot and we tie and have overtime. Those refs did not ref all 11 games that we lost in conference. This team has not had the fire in the belly that it takes to win, especially on the road, this year. Unless they have a change of heart, this team with a ton of seniors will be 9-9 and miss the Big Dance again.

    • Jack says:
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      You have a point. I’m not going to argue against it. I never want to see the 1-3-1 again. And a good team doesn’t allow the refs to ruin the sport. They win despite the refs. OSU is not good at this point. Beating that dead horse is pointless.

      But those two refs (Hall and Brill) were startlingly bad yesterday. If you couldn’t see that, then you need to have your head examined.

      • Jack says:
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        I especially loved the foul call on Murphy where he grabbed Alaoshu’s hand and arm with the back and side of his head in mid-air.

        That one had me smiling in silent joy for many minutes.

        • Jack says:
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          I couldn’t believe they showed that replay and didn’t just break out laughing at the refs for the rest of the game.

          • mckalk says:
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            I’m not realy impressed with Marques Johnson at times. He likes to stick with “broad strokes” and missed the details when they mean something.

      • JD says:
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        I’m with you on this one. Those refs were awful for both teams. I don’t think that they favored either team and ended up hurting both.

        • Jack says:
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          I don’t think so. Cunningham’s third foul sat him for a long time, and he got an elbow to the head for his effort.

          I like Garrett Sim for what he’s done this year. But that was some cheap shit he pulled and never got called on.

          • JD says:
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            I am so tired of the offsetting tech call. Either give it to the instigator or not at all.

            What I was trying to say is that the refs were so inept that they couldn’t have been trying to favor one team or the other.

          • Jack says:
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            Their ineptitude favored the Ducks by it being just a shitty game overall. The Beavs need the game to be played at a free pace and without any extra dipshittery with the refs getting in their heads. That elbow by Sim pretty much summed up the strategy employed by both teams. One walked away with a shit-eating grin. The other stood there as the victim.

          • Jack says:
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            And I will never understand how Alaoshu can grab Murphy’s head and yank on it… only to end up on the line with a call against Murphy.

            ????????????????????????????????????????????

            WTF was that?

            I had to physically remove myself from the room after they showed that replay. I was stunned they called it in real time. I heard Murphy’s name called for the foul, and I stopped to break down the tape. Then they showed that replay, and I was not fit for some time.

          • Kenny Beaver says:
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            I think the whole incident started with Starks taking the cheap shot as he passed Sim and then Cunningham takes the brunt of his action. Starks had a good game yesterday but he still is a liability, especially on defense. People shoot over him all the time.

          • Jack says:
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            Yeah… help defense is another issue.

          • JD says:
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            I felt bad for Starks yesterday, he played as hard as he could but sometimes that doesn’t make up for being short. He played great man D on Joseph on multiple possessions but couldn’t get high enough to affect the shot. Sometimes a tough shot beats tough D.

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    It comes back to desire. Reading some different articles this morning, the Oregon players say the OSU crowd fueled them to play better. Really? The beavers weren’t saying we were really “jacked up” (pun) for this game and there was no way we were going to lose this game. This lack of attitude comes back to the coaching staff and the lack of leadership on this team. Has anyone seen CR really get mad and tear this team a new one? Maybe Oregon wins 6 road games because their coach has a potty mouth. I will take that mouth anytime, as long as he is not abusive, and take the wins that come with it.

    • Jack says:
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      I don’t think you understand the potty mouth aspect. Altman is of the Lavonda Wagner school of potty mouths. If you were paying attention yesterday, you could have written to the FCC for some of the things Coach Rob was saying… obviously… easily read from his lips.

      There have been times this year when Coach Rob has torn into the team. I heard a couple days after the ASU game that he was not a pleasant locker room presence immediately following. But he has always fallen on the sword for this team, and that makes it look like he’s not doing anything behind closed doors.

      It’s the right way to do things. Pat Knight did the classless thing the other day. Imagine if Coach Rob would have said the same things about Haynes last year. He also would have been 100% correct, but the shit balloons would be having a field day with that hypothetical.

  • mckalk says:
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    I admit it, I’m a jealous as shit of the Duck basketball team this year. This was supposed to be “year of the Beaver” (yes, I have that movie). I had no idea Altman’s motley crew of transfers were such tough, solid players (I had no idea the Beavs would be such pussies). It doesn’t seem like the way to develop long term consistency, but obviously Altman can coach. I hope the exodus of the young stars pays negative dividends down the road for them, but they will probably just get better and better.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Complaining about coaches language? Really? The pussification of society continues. Did you ever hear a Ralph Miller tirade as he was grabbing a player by the jersey? Are all his ex players in therapy because of it? Ask the Glove.

    • mckalk says:
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      If you are suggesting that CR should start drinking Scotch and smoking More cigarettes in the locker room, I’m willing to accept anything if this damn team could win a few more league games.

    • Jack says:
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      Again… you’re not quite getting it. Kevin Stallings has a potty mouth, but most of his players would die for him. Most coaches say some bad things behind closed doors or on the sideline in moments of passion.

      Then there are some coaches who are just foul everywhere they go.

      Ralph Miller was not foul away from the court… except for those reeking cancer sticks he smoked.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Ducks are fowl by nature.

      • mckalk says:
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        Jack, did those freshmen leave the program because of Altman?

        • Jack says:
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          I’m not sure about Barron. I’ve heard some interesting things about his HS/AAU coach and him leaving.

          I’m also not sure about Brown due to some of the same rumors. But there were some rumors at the time of a major incident that Brown could not forgive… and none of us would if those rumors are true. Let’s just say that the rumor makes Bev Smith’s “jungle ball” comment (which was technically correct… and was used by her A LOT) look tame… and very private.

          • mckalk says:
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            It’s curious how they got all of these veteran transfers from all over the country. Nice connections…at some point Altman will have to develop and play highly touted freshmen for the program to consistently be in the upper tier of the P-12, right?

          • Jack says:
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            There are a lot of people who aren’t happy that Woods is in Eugene. And I can’t blame them.

            And Joseph was rumored to be a major cancer at Minnesota. I don’t think we’ll ever get the full story… unless beavergopher knows something that was not reported at the time. Minnesota certainly played a lot better without him. And his suspension for “a violation of team rules” was somewhat murky. I still haven’t heard if he was kicked off the team or just plain quit because he couldn’t handle actual discipline. Either one doesn’t look good.

            Altman pretty much has a captive team of ne’er-do-wells. And his poaching of Artis put him in the dog house with Pac coaches. He’s made himself have to hoe a tougher row than he was given. I don’t get what his problem is.

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            Brown was a Primadonna who wanted playing time without showing his value in practice. Those transfers who were given a second chance practiced harder and he did not like that. It will be interesting to see how his college career unfolds. Sometimes it takes an event like this to make a very gifted kid grow up.

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            Yeah… I heard the prima donna comments from the same fans who think Devoe Joseph has no quit in him.

            Then I heard some other nasty things about Altman’s potty mouth and lack of public control.

            It’s probably somewhere in the middle, but I would be surprised to hear that it’s more the player’s doing.

          • Jack says:
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            And Tony Woods is a woman beater. There’s no equivocation in that statement. When you decide to kick a woman hard enough to break her back… while she’s on the floor… in front of your kid….

            There just aren’t enough bad words to describe what I think of his “second chance.”

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        I met Ralph at a book signing in Eugene of all places, he was actually pretty laid back in public (of course that flask under his table was no doubt helping).

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    The announced crowd of 9,604 was OSU’s first sellout in nine years.
    Wow, this would never have been the case with Ralph Miller.
    Earlier it was reported that our average attendance this year was 5,400. We aren’t making the money that we need off of men’s basketball and CR is taking home a big paycheck.
    Seems out of balance. Maybe compensation should also be tied to putting fans in the seats.

    • Jack says:
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      It is. CR gets a percentage of the gate as a part of his restructured contract. It’s a part of his “extension” that most people ignore. Unless he puts butts in seats, he doesn’t get as much as is reported.

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        If that is true………props to DeCareless. Now he should tell him to get an asst. coach who can teach defense. Or have them take a seminar from the women’s staff.

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          They mentioned Grace to NAU on the broadcast. I hadn’t heard anything about that since it was first rumored about a month ago. It was a little surprising to hear it on a TV broadcast. It must have some legs.

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      A big IF but IF the Beavers could consistently get the size of crowd that showed up last night it would be a great home court advantage. It was loud in there.

      The key of course is winning. If they start winning then they will draw bigger crowds, if they draw bigger crowds it will help them win more games.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        The old Catch 22.

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          Sure the hell didn’t help them last night. They didn’t get any home cooking from the refs and it didn’t seem to inspire much out of Cunningham.

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            Jared had some serious handcuffs slapped on him by Hall and Brill.

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            I don’t disagree, but Jared is just such a herky-jerky offensive player, it seems many times a solid layup with suffice and he does an off-balance scoop shot instead. He does not have a scorers touch and really not that great of body control on drives, certainly nowhere near NBA level.

            Here’s my conspiracy theory with his foul shot attempts are suddenly going down the last few games,, since the Beavs are not very good, Cunningham is no longer going to get the calls any more in games that have positioning impact, so they don’t pull any upsets and keep an extra team out of the dance. Watch the Utah game, he’ll probably get calls let and right since it doesn’t matter, but against Colorado he’ll be falling all over the place with no whistles. Just a paranoid thought.

          • Jack says:
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            You’re probably not wrong.

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            The crowd was good based on what it has been in the last decade. It was quite loud at times. Another part of my Catch 22 is that a good crowd can help them get that energy to put teams away or make a comeback. The crowd last night in size was good but it was lacking in energy for much of the game. There were times when the crowd really needed to be into it and they weren’t.

          • Jack says:
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            Yeah… the home crowd has been a little atypical for Gill in the last month or so. I’ve heard crowds of 3000 do more than the full house did yesterday.

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            Well a lot of the sitting and golf clapping geriatric crowd from the football games have season tickets and their isn’t much we can do about that. BUT it was nice to see the students actually show up and fill all of their sections. A good student section will get the rest of the crowd to rise to the occasion.

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            The security staff isn’t conducive to a good student section right now though. A single cuss word earns you a warning, the second earns you a seat outside Gill. The security staff also tends to fit the geriatric mentality of our fan base, so any boos/other negative commentary tend to earn a quick glance and warning as well.

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    It was reported that Mike Parker got chippy with the refs during the game. That type of conduct can not help and may even turn the refs against us. Human nature is to fight back but Parker needs to control himself so that he doesn’t become a detriment. Bottom line, he is difficult to listen to. Is he really the best that we can do?

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      I didn’t hear that. That’s kinda funny. It’s wrong. But it’s funny.

      To be fair to Parker… those refs REALLY SUCKED!

      Still, he should have remained impartial.

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        http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/02/oregon_state_beavers_basketbal_75.html

        Don’t read the comments unless you want to cause yourself brain damage.

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          WHOA!!!!

          “That was a poorly officiated game,’’ said Robinson, who is normally very careful not to criticize officials.

          Larry Scott will be taking some pay from Coach Rob for that comment.

          But he’s right.

          I’m still livid at Hall and Brill.

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            “That was big, and you guys know I never blame the refs for our game, but that was a poorly officiated game,’’ Robinson said. “When is Jared Cunningham going to get treated like one of the best guys in the conference? I’m just waiting for that. I’m probably getting myself in trouble here, but Jared does not get treated like one of the best players. People are allowed to bait him constantly and to bump him constantly.’’

            Hefty fine upcoming.

            I forgot about the intentional call on Starks. Now I’m more angry.

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            CR also said that he may have to take his concerns to someone higher up. Really, he waits until the very end of the season. Why not take your concerns as soon as you have them. Every game counts.

          • Jack says:
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            That was a REALLY SHITTY GAME… even by Pac 10/12 standards.

            Brill and Hall called a game which would be the equivalent of a retail clerk stealing from the till… in front of the boss… for hours on end.

            They should both be fired for that game.

            And I’m not talking with hyperbole here.

            They should both be fired for that game.

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      Like you said, Mike Parker saying anything to the refs can only hurt. He needs to be able to separate out his emotions of winning and losing and do his job of calling the game.

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        Regarding the officiating….like I implied before….it would not behoove the league to have the Beavers upsetting any possible bubble teams. P-12 basketball is having an image problem the last couple of years, be nice to get three teams in instead of two, right?.
        Jared bumbles and stumbles in the lane a lot…was he bumped or was he just off balance, refs can kind of pick and choose what to call if you know what I mean.

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    To help me get over this loss I am going to immerse myself tonight in beer, pizza, brownies and TV.
    I am having a hard time choosing between:
    1. Rain-delayed Daytona 500
    2. Semi-finals of the Bachelor
    3. Replay of the OSCARs.
    Angry can we get a Poll on this?

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      Race is on at 4. I can’t believe it’s sunny in Oregon but raining in Florida.

      Saturday’s weather was funny. It’s foggy. It’s sunny. It’s raining. It’s sunny. It’s snowing. It’s sunny. it’s hailing… sunny… snowing… sunny… raining… sunny… hailing… sunny… dark.

      Now I’m staring at blue skies… and wondering how I can finally get Kevin Brill fired.

  • Occupy Angry Beav says:
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    You know, I’m tired of hearing what a great recruiter Robinson is. He got two four stars in 2009, Cunningham and Nelson (flop), since then nothing above a three star. Worse he has not recruited a single kid from Oregon (Ostling is not in school yet). Oregon has had some major high school talent in recent years and none have even considered the Beavs. All Oregon States other teams are filled with Oregonians yet Robinson has none. Mcshane was before him. Ralph always had the best Oregon kids. Casey won two national titles with them. Wrestling gets most of the best kids. Riley is in their home and makes it a priority. CR is either not a good fit for OSU or he is just not a good coach.

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      Meet L.J. Westbrook
      http://rivals.yahoo.com/oregonstate/basketball/recruiting/player-L.J.-Westbrook-131108

      But I guess he doesn’t count because he’s not in school yet….

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      I have been saying that for a while. People blasted me for suggesting that Riley and Robinson were on a similar level recruiting wise. That said I do like Westbrook, Ostling, and Morris-Walker. Looking back I would call Cunnungham a 4 star, Collier a 3 star and the rest of the guys 2 stars… I dunno maybe that is a little harsh but it is tough to argue many guys being 3 stars.

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        Especially if you are giving out stars and considering basketball IQ and leadership. CR still hasn’t been able to replace Ricky Claitt.

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          he admitted as much the entire following year (when they lost in the first round of the cbi). this team doesn’t have anybody close to the on court IQ that claitt had, maybe if they can get tebutt(?)

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        I believe CR now has a worse record than Jay John.
        The thing is, these guys are in every game (as I wrote in the preseason that they would be), which is something John couldn’t say. They just don’t know how to close. I think a lot of that is on Robinson for several reasons, but they also lack on the court leadership. This coach needs to get better and fast, and someone needs to step up and make the players around him better and accountable. Stark’s pass last night is a perfect example. Cunningham should have reamed him out. That our best players are quiet really hurts.

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          yeah the only thing I can see saving this team is a player coach. Cunningham is a scoring guard. I mean shoot look at Ernie Kent’s team that got to the elite 8. Kent would call a timeout, draw up a play, then the players would get out on the floor and run their won play. OSU needs some kids like that can coach themselves or a coach that can coach.

  • Occupy Angry Beav says:
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    If you are a great recruiter you should be able to turn a program around in 2-3 years. Unlike other sports basketball only takes two impact players to goto the tourny. In Robinsons tenure has has brought in Cunningham. I would argue the program was better off with Anderson, McKay and Payne than CR. The other three had their issues but Robinson has 6 wins this year against teams from a major confence. One impact player and in game coaching OSU’s worst in 50 years.

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    As expected our baseball team dropped out of the top 25. Oregon is ranked 18. FML.

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    I hope Vandy also dropped out. They went 0-3 against both Stanford and Oregon. The Pac is going to be VERY tough this year. Stanford, both Arizona schools, Cal and UCLA. Maybe even Oregon. The weak appear to be the same as last year UW, and Utah.

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    The culture of losing at Oregon State continues its downward slide. Something needs serious changing. When will De Carolis have a press conference saying the standards must rise under his watch and he and the university won’t accept anything less?

    And the Oscar goes to…
    http://beaverbyte.com

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    I have a question about a call from last nights game that was very unclear to me (the commentators didn’t say much about it either). In the 2nd half, we had a 46-42 lead. EJ Singler made a 3 pt shot to bring the score to 46-45. Oddly though, the officials blew a whistle and then gave the ducks the ball out of bounds and the bucket. Was there a foul after the shot? It seemed like they blew the whistle as the shot was occurring because our player seemed to slow down their D in response to the whistle… That trey honestly changed the game and I am confused why they got the bucket and the ball.

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      I was wondering about that, thought it felt pretty crooked along with a lot of calls. Here is what Robinson thought that went mostly unreported: that we flat out got hosed by the refs How that call went against Moreland at the end of the game was beyond bad.

      http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/basketball/osu-men-s-basketball-robinson-not-happy-with-several-calls/article_08933118-60cd-11e1-aaa7-001871e3ce6c.html

      Let me ask this- if you are willing to buy players why not refs?

      • Jack says:
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        This is what I saw… ALL GAME LONG… with the Ducks whining in the refs’ faces more than I’ve ever seen a team whine… and they were the ones getting the calls.

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          Jack, you and your band of fellow damn builders are the whiniest bunch of little bitches I’ve ever heard. No Ducks were in the faces of he refs, the calls went both ways, and your team lost. I can understand beavs being frustrated though, as you are all discovering that your coach is garbage… In this sport too

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            If you haven’t smoked it all, go do so now. You’re obviously high. And I suspect your stash is laced.

            -or-

            You just didn’t watch the game and want to attempt to start something by just flat out lying to the world.

            I wouldn’t put either condition past you.

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            Sat about 10 rows up, and was close enough to read those lame “on the line” pins the coaches were wearing. I watched the best Civil War I’ve seen in years. Both teams played tough, but the rodents lost. Move on.

            I’m just saying what you all are fearing about Robinson, and his record is worse than the last loser you had. You seem to embrace mediocrity out in the pasture though, so I’m sure he won’t be going anywhere soon. OODAT… Right?

          • Jack says:
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            You sat 10 rows up and managed to miss the game, but were able to read some pins?

            Nice.

          • Jack says:
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            And don’t think your misogyny isn’t also noted.

          • JoshDuck says:
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            Misogyny? Hatred of women? I wasnt going to go there, but if you want to call your team a bunch of women, go ahead. Wait, who’s high?

          • Jack says:
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            “… whiniest bunch of little bitches…”

            Your words loser, not mine.

          • JoshDuck says:
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            I was talking about you, Jack. You seem to be the head whiny bitch in charge. I would not ever call a woman that. I’m glad you have “noted” it.

          • Jack says:
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            Again… misogyny out in the open.

            You just can’t control yourself, can you?

          • Jack says:
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            You might as well say I sound like I have PMS… or that I throw like a girl.

            Come on. Just get it over with.

        • UofDuck says:
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          Honestly Jack, this is one of those times where your whining is embarrassing yourself and your fan base – and I’m fairly certain you don’t even see it. Your transference of frustration is being directed towards the officials, and it’s so obvious. It was a good game that could have gone either way and you are making it out to be something other than it was.

          Of all the fan bases I encounter who love to blame officials for losses, BYU takes the cake, but the beavers and BSU are not far off. I realize most on this site are taking the loss as simply a loss, but the squeaky wheel always seem to represent. Man up and let it go, it was a good close physical game that had a few bad calls both way.

          PS, don’t take shots at a guy as a woman hater because of what he writes in a response when you yourself make statements like “Ducks suck balls out of habit” Get off your high horse because your over the top statements are disingenuous at best. And most of all, try to quit being a sore loser.

          • Jack says:
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            You can call me out on that, and it would be fair.

            But there’s no transference of frustration. That was a completely shitty spectacle not remotely resembling the sport of basketball. It was completely completely controlled by two refs who found themselves in a bunker mentality against one specific side.

            Was it compounded by our side losing?

            Well, the two go hand in hand. Were OU fans upset about the onside kick? Did they have a right to be?

            Yes, they still had to win the game. But when the refs are acting like de facto cheerleaders for one side, it’s hard for any great team to rise above that.

            I have not said the Beavs are even good at this point. That they were even in it at the end was a complete shock.

            And even a win would have me calling for Kevin Brill to be fired.

          • Jack says:
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            For the record, I do usually let it go when it’s concerning the refs. I might or might not say something about it, then life goes on. It has nothing to do with being a man to let it go. In fact, it would be wrong to let this one go.

            I have simply had enough of watching Kevin Brill destroy my favorite game year in and year out.

            It’s unfortunate that he’s a West Coast ref, because I also like watching the WCC, Big West and Mtn West. And when the Pac disinvites the poor refs from our games they end up going to these other conferences to ruin their games (like Milt Stowe does now). But removing him from the Pac rolls of refs is now a must. It would be wrong for anyone of sound mind with any sort of morality to allow him to ref this sport anymore.

            So, I would not stop once he does move on to just mid-major leagues. He needs to be out of this sport now.

          • Jack says:
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            Jay Stricherz on his worst day makes Kevin Brill look bad… on Brill’s best day.

      • Jack says:
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        This game far surpasses anything Kevin Brill has done in the past. And he’s had some REALLY bad games in the past. Before now, I would say the Stanford/UA game back in February of 2008 was probably the worst game called in the history of hoops. But this game makes that one look like a completely fair game.

        • Jack says:
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          And I have to say that Butler/Stanford and UA/Zags earlier this year should have just been called Aussie Rules Football instead of hoops.

          What is this guy’s deal?

          If Scott wants the Pac to be respected, these refs have to be the first to go. I’ve seen Dick Cartmel trolling Pac floors this year. He should have been gone long ago. I think Mike Littlewood and Milt Stowe are now gone from Pac games, which is a start.

          But Brill has been in the headlines of major papers affecting the outcomes of games with completely bullshit calls for years now.

      • Jack says:
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        Oh… and Tony Stubblefield should be suspended and fined by the Pac for what he very clearly and loudly yelled at the crowd at the conclusion of the game.

        • JoshDuck says:
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          What exactly did he clearly yell, Jack? Be specific. If anyone is going to be suspended or fined, it will be your lackluster coach for publicly complaining about officiating, or your boy, Mike Parker- the drunken napkin eater.

          • Jack says:
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            Why Parker?

            The incident with Parker was because Kevin Brill heard Parker commenting on a video replay during his broadcast. It was just one of many mystifying calls in a whole game of mystifying calls. Brill got after Parker for what he overheard. Parker did not go after the refs other than to wonder aloud just what the hell they were watching.

            Robinson will be fined. Was there ever any doubt about that? Is there a point in being upset about it?

            If he has shown a pattern of complaining about the refs, and this was just another incident to add to the list, then yes, I would be upset with Robinson.

            Let’s now go through the list of how many times Robinson has complained about the refs and been fined for it by the league. And we’ll include this incident since it’s a sure thing.

            This incident.

            Done.

            Stubblefield pointed up into the stands as he was leaving the court and screamed, “TAKE THAT MOTHERFUCKERS!!!”

            I’m sure he was speaking to the crowd as a whole, but tell that to the two shell-shocked kids not four feet from his head when he screamed it. Their father was cool with it, explaining it away with a simple, “That’s how Ducks act when they win. Don’t worry about it.”

            But I think it might be considered a little unprofessional for even the Ducks.

          • JoshDuck says:
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            His comment was basically an eye drop full compared to a proverbial “mighty” long tom river of stuff thrown their way all game. I love that he said it. It’s how I felt, and exactly how you would have felt if the beavs would have won.

            It is games and incidents like these that make the Civil War so great. Go Ducks!

            See you on the diamond…

          • Jack says:
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            Wrong and wrong. But I can see why you feel that way. That’s how Ducks act when they win.

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            after the beavers beat the ducks in eugene, i don’t recall any member of oregon state’s squad calling anybody motherfuckers, in fairness.

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            and why do post on this site?

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    In reply to Jacks question about ( the F’er) Devoe Joseph. He was being used as the third, combo guard in the 09/10 season. Promising early season died and we limped into Big ten tourney where Joseph became the starting PG due to an injury. He played great and carried us to the title game.
    The next season he was back as the third guard behind two seniors. He really was ideal for that role. He had three suspensions before he finally left at X-mass. The reasons given at the time was him pouting about not being a starter and not willing to go back to his role. The irony was that a couple of games after he left, the starting PG injured his foot and it totally F’d our season. J Cobbs
    had transfered to Cal the previous spring and we had nobody to play the position. He would have gotten more minutes than he could have played. He left when they were ranked and had beaten North Carolina. After he left the rumor was he had been smoking weed. I think he is a dirt-ball for screwing over his teammates.

    Tubby Smith then lost his mind and played a great shooting guard Blake Hoffarber at PG and wiped out two positions. Season went in the crapper. For B-ball junkies, check out you tube of Blake Hoffarber. Most amazing shot ever in 4A final his senior year. Won the ESPY. Got nominated again for another one for a shot against Indiana In the big ten tourney.

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      Honestly, I think pot is less egregious than alcohol for anyone who trains if they ingest it as a food instead of smoking it. And the black market is more of a problem than the substance itself. But that’s another discussion.

      I’m interested in UM hoops from only a past regional interest, so it’s interesting to hear how players there do the same stupid junk they do everywhere else.

      And I hope the Sioux win the WCHA Tourney!!!!

      • Jack says:
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        I thought Eidsness would improve over last year’s performance. It’s too bad he hasn’t. But wow! Brock Nelson is going to be a star.

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          We have our mojo back. We will win regular season and tourney. Not the Sewage.

          BTW. everyone wants Tubby Smith canned. Team sucks!

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    What a complete shock lol. A Duck fan failed to how see several questionable and crucial calls against the home team no less, somewhat altered the game. (Including that terrible tech against our best player after his douchebag elbows him in the face) .

    I do love how Duck fans are mostly born on third base and brag like they hit home runs. Typical…

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    Leave it to a duck fan coach to yell “f-words” in front of kids and to a crowd and then being glad he did it. And leave it to a duck fan to go on a beaver board and “be ok w/ it.”

    LOL….duck fans, if nothing else, are predictable.

    I guess Phil’s money doesn’t buy good judgement, character or intelligence. (I say intelligence, because if you’re going to cheat in football, at least be smart enough not to get caught.)

  • bowdowntoOREGONbitches says:
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    how’s the smell in corn valley? lmfao, we have the better school, better city, and better sports program!!

    • Jack says:
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      You got one out of three correct. I can only assume 33% is an A on the Bell curve here in Eugene.

    • Jack says:
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      Cue the USNews and Forbes university rankings jokes.

    • BeaverFever says:
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      Clever name, I bet you are a shining example of an Oregon alumni. Surprised you did’t have a “69” at the end.

    • BeaverFever says:
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      Keeping it classy San Diego.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      But at least the commentators on here are not moronic aholes, like you.

  • ean says:
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    what happened to this place?

  • osbeavs says:
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    Speaking of which, why did a bunch of students have OODAT on their shirt?

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    Seriously, this could just as easily be an O-Live comment board. Why would Duck Fans want to come onto a Beaver blog?

    OK, I will say it. 2011-2012 sports at OSU are pathetic. UofO has superior major sports teams, facilities and financial backing. Is there anything else that you guys need for me to validate for you?

    I find it very interesting that there are two very distinct types of Duck fans. I am basing this on a small sample size and so my experience may be different than others, but I doubt it. I interact with quite a few Duck fans that are actually Alumni (or parents of kids that have gone their) to the school and have been fans for quite a while and those fans are respectful, maybe a little over the top on their belief that Oregon does everything right but at least you can have an enjoyable conversation with them. Then there are the other 80% that often did not go there, did not endure the 70’s or 80’s or even 90’s – most of whom are just plain obnoxious. You can’t discuss anything with them because their discussions always spiral into why Oregon is so much better than anyone and why whoever you like isn’t worthy to scrape the gum off their Nikes. Those are the type of fan that would come on to a decidely OSU blog and post to get a verbal fight brewing.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love to play with my Duck friends by trading playful barbs, but that is after I know that those friends are doing it out of mutual respect. JoshDuck – I don’t respect you and don’t know you, so I look at what you are doing on this site as nothing less than blog vandalism. Please go away, get a life, find a Duck blog where you all can go and stroke each other’s ego. This is not the site to do that.

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    Jack… if you didn’t strike like a starving shark at every; slight, shot, inference, misspelling, misconception, error in judgement or any other miscellaneously perceived mis-post you could spare us all a lot of scrolling.

    Your willingness to engage the authors of any and all slights encourages and extends the temporary life of each of your transgressors. We all appreciate your loyalty and 24/7/365 diligence, but please try a little forbearance. JB

    • Jack says:
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      Misspellings? I only go after the grammer police when they, without fail, demonstrate poor grammar in their policing.

      Otherwise, point taken. But I’m loathe to be quiet in the face of wrong-doing. Call it a weakness, it’s just how I am. I’ve been beaten badly for doing the right thing in real life. I’m not about to yield to some withering minds on a blog.

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      Btw… thank you for correctly spelling “misspelling.” That’s awesome. it’s one of the words most commonly mangled by the grammer police.

      And I’m not saying I’m a saint here. I’m wrong a lot, as is any human. But reason will score more than misogyny and blind stupidity.

      And I am not wrong about Kevin Brill. I saw his mug on my TV during warm-ups, and I chalked up a loss. He alters the game that much.

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    OT… the wrestling team won the conference again, and will be honored at halftime of the Utah game. I know most of you don’t care about wrestling, but there is a vision of stability for that program that Cliff wrote about last week which I think most of you would love for any of our teams to have.
    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/wrestling/osu-wrestling-beavers-at-ease-with-healthy-program-for-the/article_af23aee0-5cbd-11e1-9c74-0019bb2963f4.html

    Also, Dick Fosbury and other OSU Olympians will be at the CU game on Saturday followed by a meet-up at the new track

    Speaking of facilities, the hoops facility is very near actual shovels in the ground. I know Coach Rob has been the face of that project. But let’s all remember that two newcomers to OSU in the past year have helped to make this happen in their own right. Scott Rueck has lobbied as much as Coach Rob in his time here for the project. And Shawn Heilbron has been magnificent in his role for all athletic capital projects.

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      Also a two-hour function before the game. I’m lucky enough to get to attend since my brother is Berny Wagner’s son-in-law. In addition to “the Fozzer” as I dubbed him in 1967, It is open to all Beaver olympians. I hear even Carol Menckin(sp) and Hailu will be there, also Mel Counts. Jack, I’ll make sure to tell Berny you send your best to Lynn Snyder, although an 88 year-old man in a wheelchair dropping f-bombs won’t be pretty
      BTW, this is a Larry Scott thing, as usual Bobby D gets no credit.

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        Bobby D didn’t coordinate it?

        What’s the deal with Bobby D and OSU alums?

        Well, GP is going to be a part of OSU’s hoops program from here forward despite our AD ignoring our alums. Is Mel drawn in by Coach Rob’s efforts as well? I hear Johnson, Sitton, Green and others feel back in the fold after years of nothing. So maybe the coaches are taking it upon themselves to make the family a real family once again?

        I would love to meet Hailu. He was one helluva runner. Then again, I’m partial to half-milers and quarter-milers. I was never great at those distances (PB’s of 52.6 and 1:53.7… and a 4:18.9 in the mile… once… against college runners… when I was 11th in a heat of 12 runners). But those who are elite have guts I can’t imagine.

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        And Carol has been at several womens games. She was a great player in her own right. She’s married to the mayor of Philomath.

      • Jack says:
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        AC will be there too. Iron Man in da house.

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        To be fair, I think Heilbron has a lot to do with this weekend’s gathering as well. He’s doing a great job of bringing high profile donors into the fold. It may be a Larry Scott idea, but it can’t be without Bobby D’s input if Shawn is at the forefront with drawing donors to the venue.

        And a shout out has to go to Doug Oxsen as well. He has worked tirelessly as a proponent of something which seemed only a pipe dream at one time.

        Although… Doug… you’re 6’10” take it easy on the high tens. You almost killed me at the UA game last year. And my father forgives you for blasting his nose in noon ball so many years ago.

        I kid… Doug’s awesome.

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          Talked to Doug yesterday for more details. He refers frequently to an elbow my accountant, Eugene boy Neil J., gave him in practice one day that almost knocked him out.

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    BDC’s latest Orange Perspective left alot to be desired. The priorities for Game-Day improvements seemed well out of order. Fans want an exciting intro and higher production value during the game not after it. They also want an open Truax for pregame that can make Game-Days a major league event and help build a winning profile.

    OSU Game-Day Experience:
    http://beaverbyte.com

  • angry angry says:
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    This is a Civil War thread, so the Duck commenters aren’t out of line. Everyone should get a life, though. Nobody is going to win the internet or convince a Beaver/Duck he’s horrible, etc. It doesn’t work. Go do something productive.

    • Jack says:
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      Production is occurring. You’re just seeing the yin. Although, since the idea should be balance we should make the yin more constructive.

  • Jack says:
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    Funny story occurred before the game on Sunday which was a complete surprise and made everything right in the world.

    My wife, as you all know, is a UO alum. And I live here in Eugene among her and her family (all Duck alums themselves). They constantly coach our kids to say “go Ducks” and such… resorting to coaching them in front of me when any CW approaches. I take a “whatever” attitude toward it. I think the soft sell is better when my kids have to attend schools where everyone is a Duck troll. It’s the one place I do not wear my OSU gear, not wanting to subject my kids to any undue or unwarranted stupidity.

    So when we turned the pre-game on, it was a surprise to me and my wife when my son ran back to his room, stripped, and put on some orange hoops shorts he has (with blue and white stripes) along with his jack-o-lantern shirt. Those are the closest things he has in his wardrobe to OSU gear, among gobs of Duck gear.

    He came running out and stood on the couch. He looked at my wife, and he said, “Hey mom. Guess who I’m voting for today.”

    I was doing mental fist pumps.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    Angry — anyone who just makes a comment like bowdown did, … is way out of line. And its your job, imo, to kick such folks OFF….even when they first register, with an obvious name like that.

    Otherwise, this is just another incarnation of O-live.

    I like the sports analysis, even if sometimes I dont agree, but detest the sniping….even when I find myself doing it.

    • angry angry says:
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      Well, they do have a better program and city. I disagree about the University, but that’s debatable. I have a hard time banning someone I agree with…

      • Jack says:
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        I think it’s hard to call this big strip mall a city. And to compare it to one of the best towns in America in which to live would be unfair. It’s like saying a slightly moldy orange is a better citrus fruit than a nice, tasty honey crisp apple.

        Better AD? By far.

        Better school? Not a chance. It’s not even up for debate. Two of the top programs in the nation in psychology and architecture? Sure, UO has those. But that’s it.

      • Jack says:
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        And again… I think the obvious misogyny is the contentious material… not the ineffectual smack talk.

      • angry angry says:
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        I’d rather live in Eugene just because it’s a bigger city with more to do (and an airport). I’m not saying I think it’s a nice place. It’s just that if I want to see a well-known comedian or band I can see it. Can’t really do that in Corvallis without commuting to Portland. These things are a matter of taste and preference. I like both city and country and have lived in both. Corvallis is quaint and nice. If it were a 30 minute drive from Portland I’d rather live there.

        • Jack says:
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          Wait… you would rather travel to Portland than Eugene when traveling away from Corvallis to see some big ticket show?

          I think that slip says more than you think.

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          Eugene is like 20 minutes from the airport and Corvallis is like 40 minutes. Plus unless you can arrange your trip so you fly out and in one specific day of the week it ends up being way cheaper to fly out of Portland. Unless it is business I guess then who cares what the price is. Eugene is a nice place though just like Corvallis is a nice place. Eugene people have little city syndrome… Corvallis people accept the fact it is a town.

      • sparkyd73 says:
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        To say that he was trying to make a reasoned argument is a huge stretch. Pure and simple chest thumping thuggery.

        Now, you on the other hand have brought the discussion up as a real topic. I would absolutely agree that they have a better program in terms of money, and success with their major sports (including track). Overall, they haven’t had much success in the non-revenue sports.

        City? That would always be left up to personal choice. I for one loved living in Corvallis and when I moved back to the west coast I seriously considered Corvallis. The only major detractor was the weather, which Eugene does not have any better weather. I’ve always had a bad taste for Eugene as a large town without any of the benefits of being large. But that is always going to be in the eye of the beholder.

        University? I think that is a stretch, but I would say again that it all depends on what you are looking for.

        So that brings us back to there was no point to the original post other than to thump a chest and start a fight. I would just go to O-Live if I wanted to see inflamatory statements.

        • Jack says:
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          Meh… the content isn’t too bothersome. The misogyny should be called out. But simple facts resolve the chest thumping stupidity with ease. We see so little compared to any other site out there that i think we can take a little bit of it from time to time. And posters like UofDuck bring a measure of reality to the situation. He was right in calling me out for my outburst involving a pejorative taught to me by Father Leahy… which has a non-specific but specific meaning. I think he’s right, and I have to stop using that certain phrase.

          Either stand and fight or wither with their minds. I choose the fight.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        The poster was not trying to post any reasoned comment….just rabble rousing. Rabble rousing deserves banning.

  • Jack says:
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    angry… for the record…

    I was made to get a smart phone by my wife recently, and the site looks great on it. I would say that the “jump to bottom” button is a great idea for that alone. But i also find myself using it on my regular platform. I would say that a “back to top” button might be something to think about as well for navigation purposes.

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