07.Mar.2012 Basketball: Pac-12 Tournament (Oregon State v Washington State)

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Late night here, so I might not be up before tipoff.

Strong feeling this game ends up something like Beavs 79, WSU 66. Gutsy call, but it's so strong I have to go with it.

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  • homefry homefry says:
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    ESPN Projection (over 10,000 simulations!) says Beavs 73-68.

    Homefry Projection (over one cup of coffee!) says Wazzu 67-60-think scoring might be lower due to early start, new arena, empty stands…I really hope I’m wrong.

  • issaquahbeav says:
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    I’m not feeling it today for the Beavs. Of course, I’m currently waiting to see the dentist right now so maybe that’s skewing my judgment

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Give em some love! We have a tough job.

  • Jack says:
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    On the womens side, they drew a 7:15 game against Wazzu. They’ve played in streaks this year. They were 2-5 to start league play, won six then finished off 1-4. It’s tough to guess how they’ll show this weekend. And it’s more of an uphill battle for them with Stanford being the class of the field. But they do draw the best scenario for themselves with Wazzu, USC and likely Cal for the semis. They should be able to win two games and give themselves a shot to make the finals.

    First, there’s this for anyone interested in streaming games which are not televised (men or women):
    http://www.pac-12.org/SPORTS/BasketballW/Tabid/1450/Article/147324/BasketballM/Tabid/1449/Article/146590/Pacific-Life-Pac-12-Basketball-Tournament-To-Be-Streamed-On-YouTube.aspx

    Second, league honors were announced. Except for Scotty getting the coach of the year, league honors pretty much mirror the media honors. Congrats to Earlysia, Ali and Patricia.
    http://www.pac-12.org/SPORTS/BasketballW/Tabid/1450/Article/147324/Womens-Basketball-Honors-Announced.aspx

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    75-71 beavs is my guess.

  • slamadam says:
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    im excited to watch this game. its a great opportunity for this team to get an 18th win. i read that moreland’s gonna check motum. to me that’s the key. if he doesn’t have a big game the cougars probably aren’t good enough to win. it’d be nice if starks could go on a spurt like the one he had saturday too. shit, this math class in going to take forever now..

    • Jack says:
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      The good news: That means we’ll be playing man.
      The bad news: Moreland is our weakest off-ball defender, and Motum makes his money off-ball. Still, Moreland has shown good recovery and help side. And his rebounding has always been there.

      Look for Berto and Burton to put in gut check games today. SoCal boys seem to do well when they go home.

      • slamadam says:
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        hopefully if moreland isn’t doing the job collier gets a chance instead of switching to the 1-3-1 immediately

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Vegas favors the Beavs by a slim margin, so you know the refs will be on our side today…

  • It doesn't matter says says:
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    Who cares about the mens BB tonight. We won’t make The Tourny even with a win tonight, we don’t deserve an NIT due to preseason schedule and results in a terrible Pac 12, and the CBI is not an invitational but a who’s willing to play. I hope we get pasted, so Robinson is really on the hot seat. He was a “nice” hire when nobody else wanted the job, but he will never get us to the Tourny. He has been here four years. Payne got five and John got six and we can all agree both of those were too long. CR is not better than them.

    • Jack says:
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      Wow! You must really hate Mike Riley then… never gets to the promised land in eight years.

      I don’t want any of your sad juice.

      • Jack says:
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        Sorry… nine years.

      • It doesn't matter says says:
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        I don’t hate Riley, I would like to see some changes, but I think we are going in the right direction. Riley will get us to a Holiday, Alamo, or Rose before CR earns a Tourny birth. Riley will win the North before CR wins the Pac 12.

        • slamadam says:
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          this year the beavers won more games than they have in all but 2 or 3 of the past twenty seasons. you realize this right?

        • slamadam says:
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          how hypocritical is it to say robinson should be fired but the football team is headed in the right direction? it would seem to me that those are two contradicting statements

          • It doesn't matter says says:
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            Their RPI is 147th, the Robinson ERA ooc schedule is cupcakes and they were ninth in the Pac 12 which was it’s worst in like forever.

            Riley is suffering from bad recruiting 4-5 years ago but will goto a bowl this year. Not a great bowl but a bowl. And Jack don’t start the CBI is better than a Vegas Bowl Bullshit again.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Sorry, but thats ludicrous. Robinson takes a team that didnt win a single conference game and today has them at 18-13. Riley takes a losing program and today….has it losing just like before he took over.

            Riley didnt suffer from bad recruiting, he COMMTTED bad recruiting. You talk like it done by some outsource company. LOL.

            As to what either will do in the future, it is nonsense to SAY what either will do, but Robinson is making positive progress, while Riley is declining. You got no case.

          • Jack says:
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            You think the Vegas Bowl is all that?

            You got a screw loose dude.

            I like that our teams get to play post season games. I like our teams just because they’re our teams. I’m not the one who’s inconsistent here. You hate one who is equal to another comparing apples to apples.

            Actually, Riley took a good program which was winning and had new facilities and turned it into a decent program which has better facilities. Robinson took one of the worst programs in the history of the NCAA and has it in a decent place now. I’m not saying he’s great or doesn’t need to improve. And I won’t say any better of Riley.

            I know that they’re pretty much the same right now. Except Riley doesn’t quite speak as bluntly as Coach Rob does.

            I’m willing to forgive a losing season here and there. Bowls don’t excite me too much unless they’re a good bowl. But I’ll still watch and root for my teams.

            We have alums coming to games once again after years of getting shunned. Maybe Bobby D is the culprit. Maybe there have been three other AD’s and three other coaches who fostered the same mentality. If that’s the case, then the one variable who has not been there should be the one to get the credit.

            So… your double standard… you defend it. It’s not incumbent upon me to defend it for you. It’s just ridiculous on the face of it.

        • Jack says:
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          RIIIIIGHT!

          Just admit that you hate Riley for his nine years of futility.

          Or… admit that you carry a double standard.

          There really is no other rationale.

          • beaverbeliver says:
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            I give both Riley and Robinson one more year. If progress is not made in football or basketball then it is time to clean house.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Where you bin? Robinson IS making progress.

          • It doesn't matter says says:
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            That means one year of non futility since 1964, same for hoops useing your logic. Do only BCS teams have success each year. You do understand upper bowls are politics, money, prestige, TV viewers and who travels right. Do you really think Michigan deserved their bowl this year. Boise will always get snubed.

            Acctually I think De careless is the biggest problem we have.

          • beaverbeliver says:
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            You are right, DeCorliss is a huge problem. But if Riley does not get us to a Bowl game this year he should go. If Robison does not get us to at least the NIT next year with the talent he has he shoud go to. DeCorliss should go yesterday. Our expectations should be nothing less than to be the premier athletic program in the state and right now we are getting our asses kicked. Something must change or we will continue to fall behind.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            What you say is nuts. THIS year Robinson has a winning record. You are saying that if Riley has a barely winning record, and gets us to a low tier bowl, he is fine???? But Robinson having a winning record, gets him fired?

            Glad you arent the AD. DeCaroliss is head and shoulders above you. (and I dont much like him)

          • Jack says:
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            It’s not my rules, and it’s not my logic. But yes, that means one year of non-futility since 1964. And if we want to extend to second tier bowls/tourneys, then that remains the same. And hoops gets one year since 1990… with that year being very much like this season is now.

            it’s your “logic.”

            Go ahead and dig some more.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Dick Rod has a problem at U of A. Multiple players involved in fight at a house. Haha!

  • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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    Beautiful spring morning!
    The Dow is rebounding from yesterday.
    Reclaimed the yard from winter.
    Still time to wash the car.
    Cleared the afternoon of any and all obligations.
    Wife going out to lunch and shopping with a girlfriend. What could wreck this day? JB

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      What if your wife’s girlfriend is really her “girlfriend.” That could wreck it.

      • angry angry says:
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        I encourage my girlfriend to have “girlfriends”, but that’s me…

        • slamadam says:
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          i can dig it so long as they aren’t more butch than i am

    • BeavMonkey says:
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      or if her “girlfriend” was 5 well hung black dudes and if “lunch” was… well, you get the picture.

      • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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        This is a really ignorant response.

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        lmao! We were all thinking it, BeavMonkey just said it out loud.

        • VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
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          I sincerely doubt that was what most people were thinking.

          You and your little friend are showing your immaturity and lack of education. No one with any exposure to higher education, within the last 30 years, would think something like that, much less publish it.

          I know you didn’t graduate from college and I’ll wager neither did BeavMonkey. JB

        • CVO beav says:
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          That says much for the type of posters on the board . And it isn’t good.

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    I think OSU will win this game but I doubt by more than 8 points and with a fair amount of back and forth. Moreland needs to outman Brock Motum and bother him like a gadfly. This is a game the Beavers need to make a statement in that they are ready to build the Oregon St. brand. OSU has a chance at the NIT should we be able to repeat a win against Washington. We have to show the conference we want it.

    Pac-12 Tourney Time!
    http://beaverbyte.com

    • angry angry says:
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      Yeah, 79 is probably too high. A game in the 60s is more likely if WSU is successful in forcing the Beavs into a half court game. For whatever reason I think the Beavs erupt in this one. I’m setting myself up to look like an idiot, but that’s fine. My gut feeling is so strong gotta put it in print and eat crow later if necessary.

      I did wake up in time for the game! Don’t have cable, but I just remembered the weight room in my apartment complex does. Going to go over there and catch the game.

  • angry angry says:
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    I must admit: worried about Moreland on Motum. Could get eaten alive. Moreland doesn’t have control of his body and is easily duped/gets his feet in poor position. This leads to second change rebounds/dunks, etc. Collier is the play there. CR is making a mistake and going with Moreland, probably based on athleticism and height. Wrong move, though. Motum’s defender needs good footwork. Heck, I’d rather see Cunningham on him than Moreland.

    • sparkyd73 says:
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      I would like to see them mix it up on him, keep WSU guessing a bit. I could see some box-1, M2M with fresh guys – I could even see McShane on him for SHORT stints to apply energy.

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        i could see a box and 1 working well, im trying to think of a time i remember seeing robinson use one and i can’t really think of one.. maybe when tajuan porter was at oregon?

    • JD says:
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      I agree. Motum will get Moreland off his feet and draw a few fouls.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    I think a big key is containing Motum but I think he will get his points for the most part, the big key is making sure the role players like Lodwick, Lacy, Shelton, and Capers don’t have big games. If they keep the role players in check they will win this game. Shelton really burned the Beavers last time, they need to keep him off the boards. As long as the Beavers play solid defense and rebound the basketball they’ll win. They can score WSU without a doubt. I REALLY hope Craig doesn’t go with the 1-3-1 today. M2M has been working well, no need to mess around with other defenses.

    • JD says:
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      It’s been nice watching the last two games and not seeing the opponent’s with wide open 3 after wide open 3. Another nice benefit of the M2M is that the Beavers have been in much better position to grab the defensive rebounds.

  • ean says:
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    I would think Collier would be a better matchup on Motum. Also if Burton and or Brandt aren’t going to play much might as well bring them in for short stints and tell them to play physical and levy some playoff type fouls.

  • Jack says:
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    Starks feels the good juju with the turquoise shoes.

  • Jack says:
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    Both teams are confident from outside. Only man D is going to tire one or the other out.

  • Jack says:
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    Five!

  • slamadam says:
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    payton and ac green sitting together courtside. so, so cool to see and good for the program.

  • Jack says:
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    Joe pushes the door open himself.

  • Jack says:
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    HOLY CRAP!!!!

  • Jack says:
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    Nice box by Angus.

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    Any one have a link for this game?

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    It’s too bad it took us the whole season to figure out we should play man defense.

  • Jack says:
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    That wasn’t a walk.

  • JD says:
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    Go from 24-8 to 26-21, way to let them back into the game.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Challe needs to get pulled immediately. He’s a liability offensively. He’s not even looking for his shot and the one time he did he missed an easy lay-up. Much rather have Starks in there.

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      I thought that was a good cut and a tough lay in with two defenders… still he has to make that.

  • Jack says:
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    And there’s Moreland’s off- ball D.

  • Jack says:
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    AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

  • slamadam says:
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    it has returned

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beavers collapsing.

  • Whatinthebluehell says:
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    Link so I can get it here at work?????

  • JD says:
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    I’m following via game tracker and it is just layups and dunks for WSU, what happened o the Beaver defense?

  • Jack says:
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    How do you get pushed out of bounds and not get that call?

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Nelson and Barton played really poorly and that allowed WSU to take control.

    • ean says:
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      I think it is more than just a couple of guys that lead to the breakdown of our perimeter D.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        Not really. One guy making mistakes can throw off the whole defense.

  • Jack says:
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    Need to just put Joe on the blocks and beat on their interior D. We’re not going to suck their D back in by taking jumpers.

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    Did that really just happened?

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Collier can’t make free throws. That hurts

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Beaver big guys simply are not rotating on defense.

    • Jack says:
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      You mean Moreland. Even on the couple plays he’s been there, he’s just stood and watched.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Eric Moreland has made a lot of stupid mistakes today

  • Jack says:
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    I’ll tell you how Wazzu has been playing those ball screens Don. They haven’t set a stationary screen all game.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    @Jason and others:

    Here’s a link to a stream of the game: http://www.justin.tv/sportzzworld44#/w/2723980960

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    I mean really, over 10 seconds let in the half, he’s really well defended, instead of getting the ball to Starks or Cunningham he tries a basically flip shot at the rim and tries to rebound it. That is a stupid decision. Moreland has been making a lot of bad decisions this season. Gets frustrating. Playing poor on defense and doing nothing on offense. That’s fun.

  • JD says:
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    Unbelievable. They gave up 31 points in the last 10 minutes of the half!

  • Hellobeavers says:
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    Where was the rest of our team on that last possession? This team plays poor defense, they’re often lazy, they make terrible passes and the turquoise shoes need to go.

    I’m always frustrated watching the Beavs regardless of the sport. I wonder if that is universal or unique to the Oregon St experience.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Who cares about the shoes? I don’t get why they bother people.

  • angry angry says:
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    Moreland is brutal. Beavs interior D is brutal. Protecting the paint and boxing out are the difference in this game.

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      With how things are going, I would like to see a lot more Joe Burton, Devon Collier and Angus Brandt than Moreland on the floor. Moreland looks really bad today. Nelson, Barton, and Moreland have made some really bad decisions and haven’t really shown up.

  • Jack says:
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    We need to take their game right back at them. Joe and Devon need to plant themselves down low and beat on the rim.

  • Jack says:
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    We’ll also see if Coach Rob talks to Harris and Hicks about those moving screens. I think he bites his tongue since they’ve been pretty equal in terms of letting it go. They’ve been a little too free IMO, but they’ve swallowed their whistles both ways for the most part.

  • slamadam says:
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    no way in hell this ends up a one point game if wsu shoots 68 percent again in the second half.

  • Jack says:
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    Why is he shooting? Do we have continuation now?

  • Jack says:
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    WHAT?

    • Jack says:
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      I guess moving picks are only allowed on their end?

      • Jack says:
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        How do they get flagrant out of that?

        These refs are going to lose control with BS calls like that.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    This feels like a game that the Cougars build a big lead in the second half and the Beavers have to play catch up and fall short. Feels like that’s how it will go. I hope I’m wrong.

  • Jack says:
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    That was a make-up call.

  • Jack says:
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    Now we’re taking it low.

  • Jack says:
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    Moreland showing better now.

    • Jack says:
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      But you can see why I think he needs to hit the weights this off season.

  • slamadam says:
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    they missed two travels on one play. we’re getting fucked this half

    • Jack says:
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      The first was okay… the second was a walk. If they’re not going to call the walk by Motum in the first half, then that’s not going to be called.

  • JD says:
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    Jared has 2 points and 2 fouls.

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    Staples is virtually empty with maybe 100 fans for each team and maybe another couple hundred others. They need to rotate the tourney between Portland, Seattle, San Fran, and Phoenix. Nobody in LA cares about college basketball except UCLA and this year even they are not getting attention.
    There would be 1000s of fans at this game if it were in Portland.
    Meanwhile Cunningham needs to take control after only 2 points in the first half.
    This game is still very winnable.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    If Jared starts actually making shots the Beavers will win this one. He’s been off offensively all game. They need him to step up

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Starks is now 0 for his last seven 3pt attempts. Come on CR set his ass down!

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    The local rag in my town has an article speculating that the Pac might only get one berth in the playoffs. YIKES!!

    • Jack says:
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      If Cal wins the tourney, that’s likely.

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        I would be surprised if UW doesn’t get in based on winning the regular season. Everything else, yes.

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          It would be a slap in the face to the league, but nobody has really taken care of business this year… after a weak non-con showing. It comes down to who gets bids based on head to head. Are you going to tell SDSU or Nevada they have to stay home because a team they beat and has a lesser RPI needs to be in? Are you going to tell Virginia and BYU the same thing?

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    why isn’t collier in?

  • Jack says:
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    Beavs are playing with more physicality now. We’ll see which team breaks first.

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    Beaver defense has gotten a lot better in the second half. Not seeing a whole bunch of uncontested lay-ups and dunks. Beavers also all over the offensive boards. Moreland’s play in the second half has been a lot better.

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    He didn’t see that pick because it was a blind pick without a step. Too bad that’s illegal according to the rules.

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    Collier needs to be put back in the game

  • slamadam says:
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    fucking barton

  • Jack says:
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    Was that off the board?

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    Where was the foul? On the rebound? That’s when the whistle blew.

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    This is just horrible basketball.

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      It’s the way its being called. They’re letting everything go. I don’t like the style either, but it is what it is.

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    Beavers need to go to Collier every single time down the floor. He’s scoring whenever he gets the ball down low.

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    Angus is not finishing down low at all today

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    this is killing me. this would be such a big win…

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    brandt is playing like shit today

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    Cunningham has given the Beavers nothing offensively. Not sure what’s going on with him. He’s disappeared.

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    Jared and Angus have been pretty bad today. If they lose they deserve a lot of blame. Angus has been playing a little soft today. He’s had chances for lay-ups or dunks at the rim but he’s either not shot it or didn’t go up strong. Jared is 16 points below his average. Didn’t expect this performance. A lot of his shots haven’t been close.

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    Did you hear the commentator say that Payton, sitting courtside, has gotten into Jared’s head. I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if CR appreciates the help… sort of like the little league dad standing behind the backstop, helping his son pitch. JB

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      I honestly doubt it bothers him. Gary has been to two games and he played decently.

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        Also, as I heard it, Parker was saying Gary was getting into the heads of the Cougs, not so much Cunningham.

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    Tie game, neither team can put together a run. This may come down to the final possession.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Imo the team is choking just like CR seems to choke during the big games.

  • Jack says:
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    Great… Collier shooting FT’s.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    Time for Collier to step up and knock down a couple free throws.

  • slamadam says:
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    get a 2 point lead, broken full court press leads to free throws. fuck me.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I see CR has his “boys” in there. Starks and Burton who he’s rotating with McShane.

    I feel better already. Not!

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    Great… Burton shooting FT’s.

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    I can’t believe mcshane was even in the game.

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      He’s there to give fouls. Burton and Collier are playing with fire in regards to foul trouble.

  • Jack says:
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    Great… Burton shooting FT’s

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    Burton FT’s again and first miss of the day, 6 point lead 37 secs.

  • Jack says:
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    What is the sound of two guys clapping?

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    A Washington State fan posting on the stream I’m watching claims that the WSU coach doesn’t even have his team practice free throws.

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    Beavers are going to win and they’ve gotten 8 combined points from Cunningham and Brandt. That’s big.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      And a bit of help from the Cougs.

    • Jack says:
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      It was apparent at the half that Burton and Collier were going to be the keys to this win. They had to play physically and just wear Wazzu down.

      Props to both for doing so.

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        And props to Moreland for putting that first half behind him. He wasn’t great, but he was great at a couple key moments. And he helped with some good feeds and nice follows throughout the second half.

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    Not pretty.. but a W. It will take more tomorrow to get past the Dogs. But hey… they’re still alive. JB

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    go beavs! way to win a close one

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    It would be sweet if USC could knock off UCLA and Arizona…Beavs can beat Washington, but they might not have much left in the tank if they get to the next round. USC would be a nice opponent there.

  • angry angry says:
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    I think Gary Payton needs to stay home. Cunningham was a wreck. Probably felt judged constantly. Hard to perform when you know The Glove is critiquing every move.

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      Better get used to it if he wants to play in the NBA someday.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      I cant buy that. If his individual psyche is so fragile, he should not be in sports at all. When the big wheels show up, it should be I-am-gonna-show-em time.

      Great win! This team can play D, and that is the key to lots of wins. The D letdown when they got the big lead in the first half let WSU back in the game. With Starks cooled off, and Cuningham not putting up his usual points, they gutted it out. Great win.

      Now to show up for Washington. That one is winnable, too!

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      @OSBeav_CoachRob
      Thanks for the support BeaverNation! Also thx @NBA_Ironman and @GaryPayton_20 for showing up big for your boyz. Hope we made you all proud!

      I don’t think he cares that they are there. In fact, I think he knows it will help the program. What we need to do now is get some big recruits there to watch the game.

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    I really liked the defense the last three mintues. They could have made it close with the crappy foul shooting from the Beavs. We can thank god that Moore had such a poor shooting night. He missed a ton of wide open looks. I liked the grind out win. Shelton was a punk last game and Bone left my alma mater in pieces, so it was good to finally get the win.

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    Gonna need a big game from Moreland and Collier to bear UW…. we need help defenders cause our perimeter D can’t keep all their wings in check.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    We won? I think my girlfriend comment was our secret weapon. Pissed, cause I thought it started on Thursday and didn’t set the DVR.

    • mckalk says:
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      Set the DVR for tomorrow, I think the game is at noon pacific time.

      • StarcraftSquall says:
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        Confirmed: tipoff time is 12:10 vs Washington tomorrow.

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      If that’s true I get an assist. Right?

      Tomorrow I’ll clue you in on her daily plans and you can respond accordingly. Who knows…. you may be on to something.. and it can’t hurt to pull out all the stops. JB

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    Man…paid $5 for an app to stream the game to my iphone because we can’t stream video on our work computers..only to have my boss come in to review some change order pricing. tipped the phone down and missed the last 7 minutes!

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    What do you guys think the Beavs need to do to get an NIT bid? Win the next 2? 20 wins might do it. Right now I don’t see them even listed as a bubble team.

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      That is what I was wondering too. I would think that 20 would get us in. There are some politics involved and I think that would help OSU’s case a little.

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      I think a win against Washington would be just enough. If they were to win the next 2 they would definitely get into the NIT but wouldn’t that be a disappointment then? That would be mean they lost in the championship game.

      • angry angry says:
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        I would be happy with an NIT bid. It’s tangible progress. It would be like Riley going from a Sun Bowl to an Alamo Bowl.

        • slamadam says:
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          i think 18 wins is tangible progress regardless of the post season tournament bid they receive

        • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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          I was thinking the same thing, tangible progress. But in the case of Riley, an Alamo Bowl would be more akin to Robinson winning the Big Dance.

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Getting a winning season is tangible progress. Playing m2m defense for the first of his seasons is tangible progress. If the season ends Thursday he made tangible progress.

          Right now there is no comparison between Riley and Robinson. One is regressing, the other progressing.

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      If they win 20, they should get a nod.

      But if they win 20, why not just make it 21?

  • angry angry says:
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    By the way, games like today is why Cunningham didn’t win POY. He Houdinis too often and in big spots. Think Gutierrez is going to score 4 points in his game?

    • GoBeavs90 says:
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      Gutierrez has been worse in big games this year, actually. They had a chance to clinch at least a tie and grab the 1 seed in their final two games and he no showed twice and pretty much ended their at-large hopes. Didn’t score against Colorado and in the biggest game of the season scored just 8 against the Cardinal.

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        I didn’t realize he choked that badly down the stretch. Jeez.

        I admit I am frustrated with Cunningham’s Houdini act. I’d rather him score 11 points every night than 20 one night and 2 the next. Between him and Moreland it was like 5 vs 3 out there.

        • slamadam says:
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          that’s a bit harsh, isn’t it? there’s glaring deficiencies to moreland’s game but he did have 9 points in the second half and 11 boards for the game. they don’t win without that

          • angry angry says:
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            Don’t know. Every time Moreland touches the ball I cringe. When he was dribbling on the perimeter…eeek.

            He’s got some good traits, no doubt, but that guy is so raw. He also doesn’t give max effort and lollygags around half the time. I can’t figure out if it’s because he’s lazy or he doesn’t understand the game/positioning.

          • slamadam says:
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            you’re right, but even with all his weaknesses to me its still fair to say that he’s one of the guys that gives them the best chance to win. tommorow for instance he’s gonna need to grab another 11 or so rebounds.

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            Robinson needs to show him film of Dennis Rodman. While he’s at it, he should show Joe Burton film of Charles Oakley. With a little more hustle and court awareness they could be the collegiate versions of those guys.

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            Really? For a freshman, he has absolutely locked down the rim this year. There is still a lot of growing pains on this team, but he’s one that looks pretty strong through the next few years. I’m hoping he can develop a 8-12 foot jumper, and for a big, he handles the ball relatively well given his experience, IMHO

        • Jack says:
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          This was the first time since the Vandy game that he didn’t have double digits. And he had better numbers than Gutierrez in all but one column I think.

          • GoBeavs90 says:
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            First game since the Idaho game, actually.

          • Jack says:
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            Nice catch…

            Still, it’s a long time, includes all league games and speaks to actual consistency.

    • Jack says:
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      You mean like the eight points he scored against Stanford in that loss?

      Or do you mean the goose egg he layed in 32 minutes against Colorado in the previous game?

      I guess those losses didn’t matter. Losing two games and the league championship to end the season is all good for the POY… who doesn’t disappear apparently.

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    That ESPN projection which Homefry pointed out this AM was pretty darned close!
    Over 10,000 simulations, huh? Anyone seen what they are sayin about Thursday?

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