01.Dec.2013 Oregon State vs Depaul (@Chicago)

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  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Go Beavs!

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Robinson has the team in the 1-3-1 defense. ALRIGHT!

    Not!

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Nine minutes in and Beavs down 7 and Collier with 13 of the Beavs 15 points

  • beaverkman says:
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    DePaul shooting 72%

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Beavs down at the half, 43-39. Collier has monster half, 22 points and 5 Reb.

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    More frequent updates please.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    16:41 left 54 – 44 them

    Collier has not scored in the 2nd half.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    15:42 left 57 – 47 them

    OREGON STATE BEAVERS – STARTERS
    …..PLAYER FG 3PT FT REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
    55 R. Nelson 4/9 2/4 0/0 1 2 0 0 3 2 10
    12 A. Brandt 2/5 1/1 1/2 2 1 0 0 0 2 6
    4 C. Barton 1/2 0/1 0/0 0 1 0 0 2 0 2
    44 D. Collier 8/10 0/0 6/7 7 0 1 0 1 2 22
    1 V. Robbins 0/1 0/1 0/0 1 0 0 0 2 1 0

    SHOW BENCH
    …..PLAYER FG 3PT FT REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
    14 D. Gomis 1/1 0/0 0/0 4 0 0 0 1 1 2
    3 H. Cooke 1/2 0/0 1/2 0 1 0 0 0 2 3
    32 J. Reid 1/1 0/0 0/0 0 0 0 0 1 2 2
    2 M. Moyer 0/1 0/0 0/0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    30 O. Schaftenaar 0/2 0/1 0/0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
    11 M. Duvivier 0/2 0/2 0/0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0

    DEPAUL BLUE DEMONS – STARTERS
    …..PLAYER FG 3PT FT REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
    12 C. Melvin 6/10 2/2 2/4 6 2 0 0 1 1 16
    20 B. Young 4/9 0/2 5/7 4 5 1 2 0 1 13
    2 T. Hamilton IV 4/6 1/1 3/4 3 0 1 0 0 1 12
    55 S. Marcius 2/2 0/0 2/2 3 0 0 0 1 2 6
    5 B. Garrett Jr. 3/6 1/1 0/0 1 4 0 0 0 0 7

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    @ 13:45 Collier scores his first points in the 2nd half..49 – 59 them.

  • beaverkman says:
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    Cal loses qb Zach Kline and an OL to transfer. 1 db commit leaves as well. More to come possibly.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    10:40 53 – 66 them

    Nelson on the bench with 4 fouls. Collier still with only 2 points in the 2nd half.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    DePaul already in the double bonus with 9 min left

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    8:15 59 – 74 them
    Nelson is back in. Collier has 26, 4 of them in the 2nd half.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    18 point DePaul lead with 7 to go. this one’s over folks.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    6:27 minutes 61 – 81 them Collier has 5 points in the 2nd half, 3 of them are free throws.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    4:33 min. 69 – 83 them…. Collier has 7 points in the 2nd half, 5 via free throws.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    3:09 minutes 70 – 87 them

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    2:08 min. 75 – 87 them

  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    Thanks!

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    Final 81 – 93 them.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    A now 4-3 DePaul team has 5 players in double figures. Collier with a career high 32 points and grabs 9 boards. Angus isn’t the answer. The Barton experiment should be over, make Cooke the PG. Roberto hampered by foul trouble scores 19. Final 93-81.

  • Mud&Sticks says:
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    I’m impressed with how balanced the DePaul scoring was. 21, 21, 14, 15, 13.

    OSU on the other hand………. 17, 6, 2, 32, 5

    I’m glad I didn’t have a stream to watch. It was bad enough just listening to the audio.

  • Beavergopher says:
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    This defense is enough to make Banker blush. OSU basketball, “we suck so you don’t have to.”

    • scotty says:
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      Disagree.

      That implies Banker feels shame for poor defensive performances, which we know to not be the case due to the lack of a giant beet walking around Corvallis.

  • beaverkman says:
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    Barton in 3yrs has been in double digits twice, and never been over 6 assists.

    The defense is the major flaw of this team and has been since coaches tenure.

    Moreland may help a little, but it is fundamentals where they show deficiencies.

  • beav4ever says:
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    Robinson has no clue what he is doing. Rat ball offense and horrid defense. The beavs don’t even give a good effort on the defensive end. Nelson is laziest defender we have. These incoming freshman you can tell are not being taught fundamental defensive responsibilities. It’s a joke watching this team play. The sad part is we have talent to be a good team but this coaching is pathetic.

    • Numbers says:
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      Fire BDC! We have a great recruiting able coach with neat family ties which can attract players. An AD with half a brain would have installed an Xs and Os assistant a couple years ago. BDC is worse than worthless.

      • Numbers says:
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        You know it’s not that tough. You don’t have to find an assistant capable of being a head coach on a huge salary. All we need is a guy who can coach Xs and Os, that’s it.

        • Kristick Whiffs Again says:
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          Even if that hypothetical “x and o” coach were to be hired, what is to say he could out scheme other Pac 12 coaches? Would you suggest that we give him full rein of play calls and let Robama sit on the bench as a publicity prop? Isn’t that what he already is? I hate the direction of this team, we are going be fighting a big fucking up hill battle regardless of coaching changes. Gary Payton II had better be the real deal and be able to win despite leadership!!!

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Beaver’s last lead was 4-2. Interior defense was not good. CR said that he didn’t think the team played that well today. Team didn’t come out to play and he (CR) needs to figure out how to keep the players from just showing up after they’ve won a couple. CR and Mike talked about Cooke and how he looks like he belongs out there now. To his credit when MP brought up Moreland and how he could’ve changed this game CR said, we’ve played good games without him. Olaf a no-show again today. CR said maybe this game is just too fast for Olaf (lightbulb going off!!). CR, “the good news is that we have alot more games to play”. I don’t know about that.

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    The Maryland win notwithstanding I still have them on DVR probation. As soon as they hit the -20 mark I fast forward to the final. It saves lots of exasperating time watching the entire mess, err…game. Today minus time outs, injuries, referee conferences and halftime plus final six minutes of fast forward TTW (total time wasted) about an hour. It’s the only way to watch any Beaver game.

    It looked like coach Greg Robertson, after this year he will need a pseudonym, showed them the UW football game to get them ready for today’s contest. Could they have been any more apathetic? JB

    PS: We should schedule DePaul for a football game. What..they don’t have a team! So much the better.

  • Mb says:
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    What is the difference between the detested Beaver Johnny Hecker and the NFL leading punter ? C.O.A.C.H.I.N.G.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      Bruce Read and his $260,000 salary.

      • Numbers says:
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        One of just a couple college special teams only coaches in the nation. The special teams really reflect BDC’s investment in these assistants.

  • Kristick Whiffs Again says:
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    SQEEBILY BEEBILY BOBBOLI BOO! THE WORST TEAM IN THE PAC 12 IS AGAIN, OSU

    • Beavergopher says:
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      Perhaps CR’s bro in law will institute “Basketball social justice” by executive order and take away a few wins from Duke, Zona, etc., and give them to our downtrodden Beavers. The man, BDC, is keeping us down! Fight the power.

      • Jack says:
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        That makes no sense unless you buy the “obama is a socialist” idiocy… which makes anyone who believes is 100% stupid. If i hear anyone talk about about Obama as a leftist, I just have to think they believe he’s 150% a peacenik and 200% in favor of legalizing marijuana as well. The evidence is less left-leaning on the economic and chickenhawk fronts than it is on the drug front. But all are pretty extremely right-winged crap.

        I have no problem tearing the POTUS’ policies apart piece by piece. But at least get the pieces right.

        • puffstuff says:
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          jack, you’re so full of shit. Let’s see some of that piece by piece tearing. Think he’s being unnecessarily tough on Iran or Syria? Perhaps you don’t like him sending B52′s into Chinese airspace. Piece by piece remember, a whole fucking bunch of it. Put up or shut up. Asswipe

          • Jack says:
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            Did you just say anything?

            That was about as bullshit as me countering with, “Oh yeah? Kermit refuses to sing to MIss Piggy on Thursday.”

            Howsabout you give me examples of Obama’s leftist policies. I can show you how he’s so far right he wouldn’t have been nominated in 1980 by a comparatively progressive Republican Party. Holy shit puffstunt, you can’t honestly believe Obama is a Socialist… or even a socialist… not that you would even know the difference?

            Iran? Syria? China?

            Are you such a stupid fuck that you think any of those matter? Current contracts with current vendors are all that are required for a coward to continue the ways of his cowardly predecessor. He’s not as bad. But he’s bad by default.

            I can tell by your jib that you’ve never had any skin in the game. So let me tell you now. War absolutely sucks for real people. Friends and family go away and don’t come back. And politicians attending the ceremonial burial of empty boxes and pretending to care about your losses doesn’t make war better or important or whatever. I don’t need old ladies handing me cards of, “Thank you for your service,” with, “God loves” and an obscure bible passage which means something different than what jingo thinks it means. Ineed them to lean on the powers that make our government go to war… that make them poison our air and water, and by default (and common sense) our own people… that make them divide and conquer.

            Oops! Did I just give up their game?

            • puffstuff says:
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              Where is the piece by piece tearing of Obama’s policies? If you think war sucks so bad, and are so concerned for real people why did you tell that Marine so flippantly that it sucked to be him when he wrote that he was on deployment? You’re so small minded and drunk with arrogance you wouldn’t make a pimple on a Marine’s ass.

              • LinusPauling says:
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                Jack is not arrogant!! He is simply aware of being the smartest guy in the room. I feel you owe Jack an apology.

                LP

              • Jack says:
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                You really do not understand what it’s like to be in the military. Think of it like a locker room on steroids. And that’s a mild, short quip on the reality of military life.

                The onus is on you first. You give me the points which confirm your alluded “collectivism.”

                After I’m done laughing my ass off at how completely stupid you are, I can address each and every false and idiotic idea you present as something you think is sancrosanct enough to create a house of cards on a foundation of lies which is your life.

                The ball has always been in your court. That you’re too stupid to play it yet call yourself a winner is your problem.

                • Jack says:
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                  Here… I’ll give you one reference which is just complete bullshit. You will never bring up these points because you don’t have an inkling of a flash of an idea what you think you know, let alone actually knowing anything of substance. But this article is as stupid a lie as I’ve ever read. And I read them all.

                  These fucking stupid people now teach our youth this line of complete crap. I can only surmise that you’re one of their victims.
                  http://mises.org/daily/6160/Obamas-Keynesian-Giraffes

                  Oh… I forgot to add an additional link for their sponsors, so I’ll just paraphrase:
                  Hate darkie and buy gold dummy!

                  • angry says:
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                    What’s wrong with buying gold?

                  • Jack says:
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                    There’s nothing wrong with buying gold when you think it’s low and will provide a very conservative and static value to your portfolio. It is only liquid when the economy is in good standing, so it’s not a hedge against an economic collapse as con men are wont to say. In fact, if anyone tells you it is, know they are holding vast amounts themselves and only want to run the price up in order for them to realize an unwarranted profit. Anyone who tells you something different is simply trying to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge in Florida swampland.

                    If an economy collapses, gold simply becomes some metal. It only has value in that it’s a metal, not that it’s rare. Copper would be a more valuable metal to hold because it takes less processing to become useful. A failed economy reverts to bartering, and gold holds little value in a barter system. If I trade to you a chicken and you to me a lump of gold, one of us is going to be hungry. Now expand that to a macro level where everyone wants a chicken and a loaf of bread. Is anyone in their right mind going to gather a worthless metal and starve?

                    The only reason you do so is because you have commodity reserves of actual value with which to barter, and you know the economy will rebound to a point where gold will once again become valuable as a luxury item. So you stockpile useful commodities if you’re truly worried about the economy because you know only useful commodities have value in a barter system. Property, fuel, food and clothing are about all there is when such a system is in place. Gold is as worthless as any form of money aside from its value as a conductor.

                    Other than that, gold is also still overvalued by about 20%. So it’s still not a good buy. There are several commodities which are much better buys now, over the past ten years and into the foreseeable future. And every commodity is better as a real holding in the event of economic collapse, which the con men tell us all is always about to happen.

                  • angry says:
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                    Jack, do you really think we won’t have an economic collapse (“the con men tell us is always about to happen”)?

                    We have had several, and our current structure is more a house of cards than ever.

                    I mean, I could make the same type of comment you did to discredit bulls. e.g. Bernanke has been promising a “recovery right around the corner” since 2009, all the while the jobs numbers get worse and worse…
                    I mean, you talk about con men…it works both ways.

                  • Jack says:
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                    Bernanke has to say these things. One bad word from him and all the chicken littles will cause a panic… intentionally or not.

                  • angry says:
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                    But you don’t have the same vitriol for con men selling homes, stocks, etc. You seem to really hate the “con men” selling gold.

                  • Jack says:
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                    Because it comes with a cultish ideology based in nonsense and fear… and in many cases hate. Birchers preceded the 2008 recession (by 50 years) with their constant chatter about fiat money failing and gold is the only thing worth anything and the US is going to end because of reasons whose explanations begin with, “Now I’m not a racist, but blah blah blah and Communism.” So I can’t say that particular fringe group of looney tunes hasn’t been around for a while. But the explosion in “patriot” groups since 2009 is very disturbing. And that they parrot this Bircher nonsense is even more perplexing. It’s as if they see morons like Peter Schiff droning on and on about this Bircher stuff, and they think he’s really really smart because why? Something happened in 2008-09 that made a bunch of stupid, fearful and very not racist white people jump on the crazy wagon. I just don’t know what it is.

                    Anyway, Communism has become collectivism which is apparently the same as Socialism and describes rampant deregulated and subsidized supply-side market anarchy to a tee… I guess. And their ideas about social issues align with a tortuous translation of the half of the Constitution they actually like. Sifting through some of the “patriot” groups’ ramblings provides non sequiturs galore.

                    But I swear if you start rambling about the CFR and FEMA concentration camps in Arkansas I’m going to punch my computer.

                  • angry says:
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                    Yeah but stock brokers peddling shares come with horrible attributes, too. Think of the guys selling Enron, knowing full well they cooked the books. That’s an extreme example, but Wall Street is littered with these psychopathic assholes. Jim Cramer, on TV telling people to buy every night, right into the teeth of overvaluation. Why not bash stocks and the assholes who sell them? There are plenty of people who buy gold who aren’t Birchers. And the people who were going on and on about fiat when we got off in ’72 have been right. Their silver quarters retained value, their dollars have not. Gotta give credit.

                    It doesn’t make sense to hate an object (gold) because one group you hate (birchers) like that object, when there are dozens and possibly even hundreds of other groups who like the object, too, that you don’t hate (or maybe you do hate Indians, Chinese, South Africans, etc??)

                  • Jack says:
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                    I think there’s a 10/40/50 breakdown of any population. I would label them as malevolent, calculating and benevolent. In finance the malevolent will break the rules no matter what they might be. If the rules aren’t enforced, then the calculating will see no barrier to their doing the same. This is how bubbles occur in finance. And I blame the regulators for not doing their jobs. Well, I blame those who have deregulated the financial sector thinking human nature had changed (I’m being nice here), making the regulators a toothless bunch.

                    Housing ran into the same perfect storm but also had insurance and finance combined with it to make it just stupid. The worst part of that bubble was that the malevolent created the deregulated state and took so much profit on the front end they could walk away from late losses. Unfortunately, housing is a physical item which has actual inventories. But they made enough to just walk away in the end. Contrary to ignorant opinion, the CRA and similar buyers barely made a dent in defaulted loans. The majority of bad paper was created by investors and developers.

                    People like Cramer don’t bother me if he’s transparent. I don’t watch him, and I’m not told he’s some magical genius of the economic variety. In fact, when I’m in finance forums his name rarely comes up except to joke about something so bombastic it must be made fun of.

                    But gold bugs are constantly in my face, on my TV, on the radio and spewing some pseudo-economic thought developed by a third grader on a bad hair day. They do not disclose their positions in the market, and their motivations almost always fall under two categories–the apocalyptic true believer and the profiteer. There just doesn’t seem to be the benevolent or the calculating in this one population.

                    If you have the time, you should drop in on Conservapedia. I’m hatching a plan to get assfly to ban a whole city by hitting strategic hot spots. Banhammer away my good assfly!!

                  • angry says:
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                    Agree the gold bugs’ theories are too simple. They don’t account for technological advances or possible paradigm shift. They also say “backing up the truck” every time there’s a price drop, and if everyone who said/wrote that actually did it the price would go up, so clearly it’s bullshit.

                    I kind of hate gold bugs for those reasons, but I do love gold.

                  • Jack says:
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                    In short, while every market has a boiler room, I can see the nonsensical boiler room gold bug pitch for what it is. When said pitch involves fear and hate and tells me the only way to be safe is to buy their product, that’s one thing. But now I have to ask the pitch-man why he’s so willing to part with his life-saving commodity in trade for the same fiat money he just told me was about to be worthless.

                    Doesn’t that make your common sense bone ache just a little bit?

                    The fact is that gold is not a good hedge against inflation for periods up to several generations. Its an accurate hedge only if you’re long for centuries. Compared to any inflation metric, gold tracks at about 30%. That means one has as good a chance at a casino as they do tracking gold with inflation. Now track gold with, say, a G20 currency basket minus the US dollar. Suddenly you have a 90% success rate. What does that tell you about gold’s value compared to fiat money? What does common sense tell you will happen to gold’s value if all fiat currencies collapsed at once?

                  • Jack says:
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                    I love gold too. But I love it because it’s pretty. And I have bought it in the same way 95% of it is bought and sold–as jewelry. I have some coins I managed to get as a kid when I was into collecting and could haggle with anyone. To be honest, the comics I collected at that time are better stores than the coins I have. The baseball cards not so much since that bubble burst back in 1994. But none of them will be worth as much as the handyman, fishing, survival and gardening skills I’ve acquired if there’s an economic collapse. That’s why I’m probably going to trade them all in for a solar array… or wind… or both. I just like the idea of independence whether the economy is good or bad. That has real value to me. And if gold is one of the many ways I got there, then it does have some value to me as well. I guess you could argue that I used it in order to put real capital into a real hedge, thus making it worth what it was when I used it. The gold spent now is worth every future utility for which it was spent.

                  • angry says:
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                    I don’t know if it will protect in collapse, nor does anyone, but I do know it is better than dollars, so I don’t mind trading out excess dollars for some gold. I’m constantly amazed people will take dollars (debt instrument) for gold (collateral/credit instrument).

                    I live in a 1br apartment. So I only have so much space for rice, beans, and fishing tackle. I do have all that stuff, and do agree, it is more valuable than gold in a short-term immediate survival situation following a collapse. That’s why I own as much as I can fit. BUT, after that, I still had savings, and I had to put it somewhere. To me, gold is the best choice because (a) small and easy to store (b) a lot of dollar value in a small coin (silver gets bulky fast) and (c) does act as a pretty good inflation hedge, despite what you and others say. My favorite inflation hedge would probably be timber or raw land with resources on it. But I can’t purchase that right now due to life circumstances etc.

                    I only have about 20% in gold, and have more (50%) in cash. This because I realize my ideas can be wrong, etc and think diversity is the key. At some point I’d like to put that 50% into land. Like you, I like independence.

                  • Jack says:
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                    Yeah… timber and real estate are the best bets by far.

                    My point isn’t that gold doesn’t have any value as a stop-gap currency should times ever get that bad. It will far outpace any paper because there will be hoarders who realize a buy opportunity. Those hoarders will buy with the knowledge that it will bounce back to its fair value at least and maybe higher in speculative circumstances when the economy rebounds. Even the most dire of economic apocalypse predictions needs for the economy to return to normal in a short time for gold to have any store. Otherwise, there will be no market for it given its utility.

                    But those hoarders who would create that demand would also buy it at a steep discount from its current market and fair values. A global currency collapse would provide no immediate external markets where it could be reasonably traded, so they would have you and me over a barrel if that’s all we have for trade. Think about the Zimbabwe gold for bread you brought up. Before Zimbabwe went into hyperinflation, a loaf of bread didn’t cost what it does now, not in US dollars and certainly not relative to median income. The only way people are surviving is because there are import black markets from external economies at a 1000% mark-up. So anyone with half a brain would take one month’s salary, spend 50% of it traveling to and from South Africa, trade the remaining 50% for US dollars then exchange it at home at a 1000% mark-up. Voila! They suddenly have 500% their original salary and the ability to just rinse and repeat. That loaf of bread is also trading for 1000% its fair value, which deflates the real value of the gold used to trade on the local level. And I guarantee that gold is finding its way to external markets in order to reinvest and take advantage of black market opportunities at home. So gold at home is worth 10% what it’s worth in a stable external economy. Anyone who used it as a hedge would have still lost 90% of the value of their store unless they go into the black market import-export business. So while it may be more valuable than paper, it is still a massive loss in itself. And that’s with an external market where one can trade for profit. Imagine what would happen to that hedge if South Africa collapses along with all other economies at the same time yours does. Would your gold store be worth even 10% what you paid to accumulate it?

                    Zimbabwe is an extreme example though. They produce nothing, have so little in natural resources and are run by another corporate CIA puppet dictator.who was allowed to yet again commit genocide while Reagan and Thatcher loved him and the Queen knighted him. If you look at where economies collapse, you will likely find US involvement intentionally undermining governments so corporate entities can profit. And the worst of it comes in vulture funds.
                    http://jubileedebt.org.uk/countries

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                  Where do you get 20%? Most commodity analyst show the cost to mine an ounce at $1150. Even the most bearish figures don’t dip below 1k.

                  Of course gold will be less useful compared to food and clothing. But it serves a role in the country’s rebuilding via wealth preservation. There have to be savers and good collateral to rebuild a nation. A bank or individual lender won’t give a loan backed by chickens and boxer shorts unless they need chickens and boxer shorts. I don’t think anyone has ever said to put 100% of money in gold. That would be stupid. Equally stupid is owning none.

                  Also, even in pure barter between individuals, one might have a thousand chickens and only need 10. So they may take gold in that case for the other chickens. So it is not worthless in a barter economy. Personally, I don’t think gold’s role is barter, though it has served that role historically. I think it’s wealth preservation to be sold on the other side of a collapse.

                  There will be an economic collapse due to sheer mathematics. And in that collapse, I think those coming out the other end with gold will do better than those holding dollars. There are only so many chickens and clothes you can hoard in a home or apartment. There has to be a means to preserve future purchasing power for the other side of collapse. Gold does that in a very small space and weight. So while oil and beans might be more useful, you can’t store or transport $1500 worth of them very easily.

                  I don’t understand why people hate gold. It’s an amazing substance, and holding an ounce in hand is monetary Nirvana. I certainly don’t get that feeling holding USD, bitcoins, etc. If the cult of gold bugs is the reason you hate gold, I get it, but that vitriol is skewing reality. I can understand “I hate gold bugs” a lot more than “I hate gold”…

                  • Jack says:
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                    Your calculations are about right for the industry average. I’ve heard that AISC for the industry is somewhere around 1000 to 1100, and the majority of them can (and will this coming year) produce at a rate which will push it below 1000. But that’s just the all-ins. The actual operating costs are about 60% of that.

                    But then you bring up an even better point. What is the fair value of gold? Do value investors buy it? Does it have social value? Does it produce income? Does it have any great industrial utility?

                    Or is it just a thing? Is it a bauble whose market is inflated by a cartel very much like the diamond industry?

                    I bring up fair value not because I think that’s what the market will bottom out at. Although, the gold bubble (which I was told by so many smart people two years ago was never a bubble) may have a slow landing, bringing the market below 1000, but still a good 25% over fair value. That’s where I’m getting 20%. And I doubt demand will increase at such an overvaluation… outside the true believers.

                    That fair value, btw, is only that high because gold is seen as a rare metal and has luxury value in a stable economy. That value is diminished greatly in a barter system.

                    And a pure barter system does see value investing as well. History has shown that a cobbler who only needs two hens will trade for ten when he can because he knows they store value which he can use at a later date for something he needs. Think of any collapsed economy which regressed into barter. We’re talking hyperinflation here. Just because gold is suddenly worth one-hundred gazillion dollars doesn’t mean you can trade it for a loaf of bread. In hyperinflation, that bread can be valued at two-hundred gazillion dollars. Once the currency is replaced at a one-to-however-much ratio and the economy stabilizes, gold goes back to its fair value in a stable economy.

                    Now I know you’re going to point to any one of several failed currencies and tell me gold retained fair value in those states. And I will agree with that argument before I say… what value did each of those economies have on a global scale? When they failed, could they trade goods, services and commodities with other stable economies who were not failed? I would say living in a secondary economy would warrant having a store of gold. If the US economy fails, what other economy will be stable enough to value such stores? What happens to a shiny rock with little actual value when there’s nobody to want it?

                    Now if you’ll excuse me I have to go spend some bitcoins.

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                    What happens to a shiny rock with little actual value when there’s nobody to want it?

                    Well, it’s price declines. But it never goes to zero. This is the most simple reason I think it’s better than owning dollars. I have read hundreds of stories where people who owned bad currencies wished, after the fact, they had gold. When it gets to that point and becomes obvious, it’s too late to buy gold.

                    What is the fair value of gold?

                    I’m not sure. Production cost is a good starting point, though.

                    Do value investors buy it?

                    Some.

                    Does it have social value?

                    In China, India, etc. Even in America–jewelery, luxury goods, etc.

                    Does it produce income?

                    Only when appreciating at a premium (i.e. > inflation).

                    Does it have any great industrial utility?

                    Some. It’s used in most modern electronics for conductivity, motherboards, etc. Art and sculpture. Dental profession.

                    what value did each of those economies have on a global scale? When they failed, could they trade goods, services and commodities with other stable economies who were not failed?

                    Some did, like Germany, Turkey, Italy (the lira was pretty much hyper-inflated). In Zimbabwe the locals had to pan the river for gold to buy bread. The bakers would not accept anything else.

                    I just think you hate it for some reason. I’m not even a gold bug so I don’t care to argue about it. I view it as wise insurance and don’t really care about the rest. Gold should be something you buy and hope you never have to use.

                  • Jack says:
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                    I’m not arguing that gold has no value. I’m arguing that it would have little value in a global collapse. Vendors in a secondary economy which has failed can afford to demand it because there is demand beyond their own failed state. They could take it across the border and spend it. That can’t happen in a global failure.

                    But you’re also correct about the hoarding aspect for future times of stabilized economies. So gold will have value for those people who want to and can go long as profit takers. Would it hold more value than a dollar? Well… duh? But would it inflate in a global collapse like it has done in currency failures in smaller satellite economies? The only reason it would happen is because of the myth of its real value as a commodity… which it really is not.

          • LinusPauling says:
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            Jack is not full of shit!! He is the greatest mind ever to attend the hallowed halls of OSU. We should all be honored that his posts sometimes move from athletics into the complexities of political policy, astronomy and many other challenging topics. His facts and opinions are dead on and unquestionable. Who are you puffstuff to question this great and powerful mind? Please apologize to Jack and simply thank him for spending his time enlightening us. I for one appreciate the time he spends posting on angrybeavs.com. Thank you Jack!!

            LP

  • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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    Sark to leave Mutt Lake for So Cal according to ESPN

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/college-football/story/_/id/10068739/usc-trojans-hire-steve-sarkisian-washington-huskies-new-football-coach

    • FireBDCNow says:
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      And 90% chance Justin Wilcox gets the UW job. BDC had his shot. Knew window for Wilcox was short. Another opportunity lost. Our fanbase sure likes to be stuck for a long time. Not very common anywhere else.

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        Based on many outlets now thinking OSU has less than a 50% shot for a bowl this year and Riley losing his last 5 and last 6 Civil Wars, why don’t we bid on Wilcox? Riley can then apply for the UW job and negotiate a standard 5 year deal with incentives for higher winning percentage only if he reaches those goals. That would be best for everyone and the Pac-12 as very long term deals are good for no one.

        Both Wilcox and Riley could get signed for 2 million a year on 5 year deals with possible bonuses. Personally I would take this in a heartbeat as OSU is ready for a changeup and I think Wilcox is stud recruiter who would get a lot of kids excited to come to Corvallis to play for Oregon State. Wonder who Wilcox would want as an OC? Riley can take Langsdork and Banker to UW. Riley doesn’t want to get rid of his coordinators so this is the easiest way to remove them.

        • GOBeavs says:
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          I haven’t heard Riley mentioned for USC or UW recently. Not sure if it’s because they know he has turned down USC, Wisconsin in the past of if it’s indicative of his falling stock.

        • whatever says:
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          Ha ha, why would UW want Riley?

          • scotty says:
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            For the same reason USC wanted Sarkisian: Who knows.

            • whatever says:
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              Sorry Scotty, that’s just not any sort of explanation. USC hired Sarkisian because he resurrected UW’s program from 0-12 to 4 straight bowl games. He’s a former coach there and an excellent recruiter, plus most of their big donors love him.

              Pie in the sky hopes about how we can ditch Riley for free while getting an upgrade is silly. (PS – UW would have to pay Riley’s buyout too, you know. You think they want to pay $7 million for him? One in a million chance at best.)

              But those incoherent ramblings and nonsensical ‘possibilities’ about how we can and should ‘make this happen’ and how ‘Bob is an idiot if it doesn’t’ will surely get everybody’s panties in a bunch around here. Situation normal: delusional.

              • Jack says:
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                Agreed. There is no reason to even be talking about replacing Riley given our circumstance and his contract. One note… the buy-out is paid by the coach alone. Yes, you can give the guy a hefty signing bonus. But let’s get real. UW wouldn’t hire Riley if there was no buy-out involved and he was looking to leave Corvallis. They’ve seen him coach.

              • scotty says:
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                What you say is true. However, there’s a big difference between building a program to 7-6 and running a juggernaut. USC has juggernaut recruiting potential and expectations. It’s not a rebuilding project.

        • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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          more than likely they make a run at Jim Mora Jr at FUCLA since he is a UW grad and said that would be his dream job (of course he was just joking though, right?)

          • Beavergopher says:
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            I thought the same thing.

            • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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              Gary Pinkel at Mizzou is a former UW assistant so they may try and gauge his interest as well. I doubt it’s a match since Pinkel has the tiggers in the SEC title game and he may try and use that to milk some more $$$ out of Mizzou

              • oneoldbeav says:
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                Pinkel seems every bit as nice as Riley. More success, but similar “nice”.
                Mora most likely for UW, anyone think Langs will interview for FUCLA?? Read??

      • Kristick Whiffs Again says:
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        Wrooooong

      • RanYakumo says:
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        Nope. Wilcox is going with Sark to USC, if the link below is to be believed.

        http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2013/12/2/5167272/sarkisian-usc-head-coach-huskies

        Looks like USC will actually have a great defense next year.

  • Jack says:
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    Two things on and off topic:

    1. The 1-3-1 definitively lost the hoops game. DePaul came into the game prepared for it, and they dissected it with patience and efficiency. This gave them a confidence unknown before that time, and they carried it on to just make OSU look bad. When you’re shooting over 50% from the floor and still losing by double digits early, you’re defense is worse than bad.

    2. Losing to EWU saved the coordinators’ jobs. Both should still go, but the freefall for our season wasn’t from 7-0 and a likely top 10-12 ranking to the dregs we now inhabit. It was from a prohibitive #25 to the same dregs. The Pollyannas forgave the EWU loss because that’s what they do. then they bought into Polly greatness before the players just didn’t execute. Polly greatness excuses bad wins with all the same excuses, but there’s no Lucy in their picture. Lucy would have appeared if we had beaten EWU and gone 7-0 despite all the same excuses for bad wins.

    • Kristick Whiffs Again says:
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      So in summary:

      1. Basketball is doomed.

      2. Football is too.

      3. Status quo for beaver nation…

  • scotty says:
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    Just called into the radio show again. Couldn’t take the Bobby D talking points being spewed out.

    • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      can you give us a recap?

      • scotty says:
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        other caller before me:
        We have no money, can’t recruit here, blah blah blah

        me:
        Washington State is in a worse financial situation and in a smaller town, and Leach has the Cougs with the same record in year 2 as Riley has the Beavs in year 13. And their basketball program is better, too.
        Then I said Riley and staff (BANKER) don’t learn from the past as evidenced by possession at the end of Civil War (didn’t learn from EWU) and the prevent D on quack drive (didn’t learn from Alamo Bowl.) I want to hire Riley 8 years ago. He was good, but they’ve gotten stale.

  • Jack says:
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    OT… I’ve been reading the comments all over the place about the Sark move to USC. USC fans are not happy about this, but UW fans are more happy and excited about the possibilities than not. In fact, almost all the unhappy notes I see from puppy fans are about potentially losing coaches like Wilcox, Sirmon and Lupoi. But even that’s an “oh well” level of being upset in the face of the happiness they have for losing Sark without having to buy him out.

    I have to agree with these sentiments. Sark will still be outcoached by many (including Riley) on an any-given-year basis. USC has several “almost” seasons ahead of them.

    UW, on the other hand, has an opportunity to hire a good coach to replace a good recruiter. That could make them dangerous for a couple years… and dangerous into the future if they get a good coach who can also recruit.

  • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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    SC folks not happy about this hire. They are referring to him as Sarkiffen

    • Beavergopher says:
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      I would have termed it Kiffen part 2. Much better than Kiffen, but is this the best they could do?
      Trying recreate the Pete Carroll days.

  • Beavergopher says:
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    BDC, please make MR fire Bruce Read and hire Ogeron as Asst. HC and recruiting coordinator.

  • Numbers says:
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    That just might be OSU best case scenario right now. Fire Read/Banker. Hire Coach O as new Defensive coordinator. Wow that would be really really great!

    • Kristick Whiffs Again says:
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      Coach O wants to be a HC and has said repeatedly that he hates Corvallis. Go fish!

  • beaverkman says:
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    I asked Jim Wilson this same thing, but about Clancy Pendergast. He responded, Could they? sure. will they? NO it won’t happen.

    We all know the answer, and that is probably most frustrating part of this.

    We Know Riley will never, ever fire Banker or probably Read. That is where we need an AD with the balls to tell him he needs to make changes to his staff, see Florida.

    That is why BDC needs to go.

  • Mb says:
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    Please not Clancy. He threw Lupoi under the bus at Cal. Does anyone really think that low man on the totem pole Lupoi had the authority to make defensive players fake injuries over serveral plays and several series vs Oregon without the coordinator knowing or approving? who got suspended and fined, the guy with the big salary or the guy with the low salary? Why would an extremely loyal grad leave to go to a rival? Money you say. I say money and bitterness at having to take the fall for cowards.

    • Jack says:
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      Agreed. And Lupoi is about as good a coach as Orgeron… who is about as good a coach as the current Cincy OC.

      There are coaches who can recruit so well that their deficiencies are excused to the point that only succession to a head coaching job for some unsuspecting school is inevitable.

    • Beavergopher says:
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      Agree 100%

  • Jack says:
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    OT…
    Since I have a Top Gear rehash on right now, I forgot how funny this sign was for a supposed “important” meeting:
    How to reduce the carbon footprint of our ethnically diverse disability access policy for single parent mothers

    • Beavergopher says:
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      We’re #1

    • Beavblazer says:
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      #1 most resented team?

    • Kristick Whiffs Again says:
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      A lot of good that ReBeav crap did. Worst logo in the NCAA? Thanks, Nike and thanks BdC for not seeing that Nike was obviously trying to make us look like idiots and we pounced at the opportunity!

      “Hey, Mr good recruit, how would you like to play in half empty stadium with a .500 record in the middle of nowhere while wearing the ugliest logo in sports? Hello? Mr good recruit? I think he hung up…”

      • GOBeavs says:
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        I honestly don’t think Nike would make us look like idiots on purpose. Obviously, a lot of their designs get called ugly (countless Duck uniforms have been called hideous) but I don’t think they intentionally make them that way.

  • scotty says:
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    Listening to radio show… All I can say is I give up

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    We went from Benny Beaver to what I call the flat rat. If there is a nickname it would be Ronnie Roadkill. Captures both the logo and the current state of the teams. JB

    • Numbers says:
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      Too bad Ralphie is already used by Colorado. Cause our Ralphie Roadkill mascot makes me want to Ralph when I think of the perfectly good Benny and Bernice he replaced.

    • scotty says:
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      Looks like a giant sewer rat to me

  • Beavergopher says:
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    Benny was/is awesome. Really stupid to change in the first place. Was a cute mascot the cause of having shitty football teams? Ask U of O if the Duck held them back?

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