03.Dec.2013 SEC Conspiracy Bias

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Are you guys done with college football yet?

Read this: SEC link

I was wondering how ESPN/Disney would get an SEC team in this game…there is even talk of two, with an Auburn/Bama rematch possible if FSU loses.

This sport is done, put a fork in it.

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  • LinusPauling says:
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    First!! Not only am I the first Nobel Prize winner from OSU, I am first on this thread!! I rule.

    -LP

    • scotty says:
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      Ridiculous post, yet better than the Bobby D-brainwashed calling to the Joe Beaver Show

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Is the link a joke? Will we passionately debate health care and question the play calling of the executive and legislative branches? How about the replay booth (Judicial branch)?!? Why are they taking SO much time?!?

    • angry angry says:
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      Sorry about that. The link should be fixed now. (My friends and I find the obamacare debacle hilarious…had that link copied to paste on his wall).

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Racist.

        • Jack says:
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          Why is making fun of corporate gift-ocracy racist?

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Disagreeing in any way with Barry Half-White is racist. Duh.

          • Jack says:
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            That’s silly. That’s like saying anyone who protested Mandela in power was racist.

            Sorry… I meant to call him Manny the Ex-Convict. And I’ve never seen his long form birth certificate, but because he… umm… has freckles… and curly hair… or something such, I doubt he was born anywhere except somewhere in Africa.

          • Jack says:
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            *Nelly the Ex-Con?

          • Jack says:
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            Not even a bite eh? Youse guys is smart.

            The correct response is, “Obama is no Mandela. He wasn’t even born on a continent.”

            It does bring up another idea I’ve had. I think everyone who wants to become a politician should spend 30 years in prison first. If it doesn’t give them the correct perspective, then at least they’ve paid for the crimes they’re about to commit.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT – Marcus Mariotta staying at UO doesn’t surprise me:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1874825-marcus-mariota-will-return-to-oregon-ducks-in-2014

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      Here’s the conversation:

      Uncle Phil: You know Marcus, if you stay another year you’ll have a real shot at the Heisman and it really bothers me that the school down the road has a trophy and we don’t. If you make the right decision I’m sure that once you reach the NFL you’ll receive a Nike endorsement contract worth more than a years salary.

      MM: (nods head).

  • ObjCritic says:
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    I’m pretty much done with NCAA football as i’ve said many times before.

    If OSU retains all or most of its key upperclassmen (Mannion, Cooks, Chrichton, Nelson, Doctor, Alexander….) I’ll probably self inflict some pain watching Riley under-perform for one more year. Then its OSU will be on to a new, learning QB (I’m guessing Kempt the pocket passer, just because, who wants a mobile QB in this day and age?) who’ll likely need 3 years to have a positive TD:INT ratio….and the OSU football program hasn’t earned my patience for that.

    Meanwhile, the whole context has gone to shite and is a sham.

    Most American viewers are pretty non-critical, and won’t care about HOW teams get to which bowls – in fact, the controversy draws/holds readers and viewers – they’ll still watch, and they’ll buy into the cliches about how the SEC dominates…

  • wannabeav says:
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    I’m not done but I am cutting back. NO bowl trip if the Beavs get in one; cut my season ticket purchase by half next year. 8-4 is the top end for 2014; the Pollys will exclaim the Beavs are back, but in reality it’s the prelude to big crash in 2015 (unless Riley should somehow turn into the recruiter he’s never been).

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      Ditto on the bowl trip and spending.

    • Numbers says:
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      This season’s late games have provided a surplus of time available Friday nights for recruiting. Lets be sure not to let ourselves get fooled by any spin. Riley and co have been provided a bonanza of recruiting opportunity this season and need to be held accountable for the results.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Interesting stat on the Pac-12 this year.

    8 of the conference’s quarterbacks rank in the top 25 for total sacks on the year, including 3 of the top 6.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/sacks

    Maybe they should call it the Sack-12?

  • bowlgame2020 says:
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    I understand from another donor that BDC was in the Nike suite, which is separate from the Knight suite, at the CW working the big boosters. Here are a couple of comments that have been passed on.
    At half time, “Nobody but Mike Riley could get this team ready to play like they have in the first half”.
    At the end of the game, “You can’t tell me there is a better 6-6 team in the country and we deserve a bowl game”.
    I think it would be an understatement that BDC is elated with MR.
    Now BDC can compete with WSU for a spot in the Lysol Toilet Bowl! This will count as a bowl appearance and a bonus for MR. Wow, one winning season in the last 3 and things are great. Who knew that mediocrity could be so rewarding?

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Here’s what I’m wondering…………. Is MR gifting $$$ to bdc? Or has MR promised to gift $$$ bdc?

      A person can gift up to $5M tax free in their lifetime. Most of it for the kids but perhaps a chunk to bdc?

      How about a little kickback for old bobby?

    • scotty says:
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      stop it hurts 🙁

    • angry angry says:
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      Wow.
      Yeah, this guy really needs to go.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Even if BDC didn’t have a chub for Riley, what do you think he’s going to say to a bunch of boosters? “Now watch Riley blow this 4th and short”, “Great prevent D. Typical Riley, playing not to lose”. “I’m really at the end of my rope with this guy, oh, and by the way, check out the plans for the west side of the stadium”.

      • Numbers says:
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        Pat Hayden and co didn’t cream puff their coach at ASU. Him and the USC boosters figured out how to finance needed change

    • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      “Captain Hauk sucks the sweat off of a dead man’s balls.” I have no idea what that means, sir, but it seems very negative to me.

      Insert BDC and there you go

    • Jack says:
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      Bobby “moral victory” D!

  • mckalk says:
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    Jim Grobe resigned from Wake Forest after 13 years. Somewhat similar career to Riley’s (5 games under .500), but he managed to get a conference title in there. I doubt MR is sweating though.

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24315371/wake-forest-coach-jim-grobe-to-resign-after-13-seasons

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Could have had the Nebraska job in ’08. Whoops.

      • mckalk says:
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        Hey, he may get another chance if Pellini keeps melting down.

  • bone says:
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    Jacoby just got PAID, big time. But as a Red Sox fan, I can hardly enjoy the news.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Canzano calling new system with 4 team playoff a farce a year before it starts. I didn’t realize it was a 15-year deal:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2013/12/canzano_on_oregon_ducks_oregon.html

    He points out the obvious fact that fringe teams are going to have the same argument BCS fringe teams currently have; “we should be included too.”

    • Jack says:
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      Yes, but fringe teams at #5 have less of an argument than do those at #3. It’s still not as good as every other sport and every other football division in the NCAA. Those sports all have bubble teams for their tourneys, but we don’t cry over it unless one of the losers is our school in any given sport in any given year.

      The only questions I’ll have are when some conference gets two of the four spots instead of granting all seeds to real champions.

      And at least it gets rid of the month long scheme preparation for just one game which allows a better coach to lead a lesser team to victory over a better team. You bring it back to one week of prep for that championship game

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Jaynes says OSU gets lucky every few years on recruiting, has to develop prospects, and they over-estimated they talent/ability of current O-line recruits. This last bit sounds like his opinion more than something he heard from coaches, but he feeds the “you-can’t-recruit-to-Corvallis” lament:

    http://www.csnnw.com/beavers/ask-dwight-osu-coaches-blame

    • Numbers says:
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      Well thank god we’re lucky.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Maybe coach Cav can’t teach? I think he is very over-rated. He is held in high regard, but how many guys has he put in the nfl? Remmers. He hasn’t recruited anybody outside of Isaac.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I think his coaching is overrated and really think his position assignments are questionable. I still wonder if putting Isaac at center was the best long-term decision for the line. Maybe his first year if there were no alternatives there(?), but if he were at a left tackle(?), with Andrews and Phillips at guards and Enger at right tackle, perhaps there’d be better run blocking? I think Phillips and Enger are out of their best positions. Phillips may WANT to be a tackle, but he doesn’t seem to have the footwork for it. Enger seems to have the height and arm length that are favorable for the tackle position.

    • Jack says:
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      Well that guy’s an idiot. Our o-line talent has increased exponentially due to really good talent coming in. Illness and injury have kept them from getting on the field as frosh, but he’s going to sell on frosh and soph o-linemen.

      Does he even know what a football looks like? That is a valid question given his level of “analysis.”

      That being said, static talent on the line from last year to this year does not explain why they had a downturn in productivity. And instability and line-up changes doesn’t really cover it either. But it certainly is not a miss on talent.

  • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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    So let me ask you this angry. Do you think the “fix will be in” this weekend against FSU and tOSU to allow that happen? I see no way Duke beats FSU unless Jameus Winston murders someone this week since he can rape someone and get away with it (ALLEGEDLY). I actually think Meechicken St will be tOSU and render their weak schedule moot. I see an Auburn or Alabama vs Floriduh St. Wouldn’t that be something if Auburn and tOSU lost and Alabama snuck back into the national championship game having not even played for the SEC title?????? Nebraska 2001 part duex

    • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      Meechicken St will beat tOSU. You heard it here first

    • angry angry says:
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      I don’t know how deep this SEC/Disney caper goes. But I am expecting to see a lot of calls go against FSU and tOSU…

      If that happens, I really hope people pick up on it and turn off their sets, but like the guy said above, they don’t seem to catch on…

  • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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    it will be a complete farce IF FSU plays Alabama or Auburn/Alabama II electric boogaloo. Either one is possible however. And yes, I am with you. I would not watch either game

    • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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      Ohio State gets jobbed and loses to MSU. FSU thrashes Duke, but thereafter Jameis Winston is charged by prosecutors, and suspended. In the title game, Auburn/Alabama beats a toothless FSU, and is crowned by ESPN as the most dominant conference in the history of sports. All SEC players given free lifetime passes to Disney World.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        That could happen.

      • mckalk says:
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        It’s tough for me because I hate Urban Meyer and his “Ambien antics” at Florida. I could handle Mizzou in the championship because they will always be a Big 12 team to me.

        I listen to the college sports station on SIRIUS now and then and the Bama fans are filling the airwaves with their desperate title game hopes. Almost as bad as the Duck/BCS game crap coming out of Eugene (even though the players apparently didn’t want it).

  • Brady says:
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    It is also funny how Missouri and Texas A&M were supposed to be bottom feeders when they joined the SEC, since they were so inferior…They immediately came in and beat the big boys and now they are considered “Great SEC teams”……If Missouri beats Auburn do we get a Missouri vs Alabama NC game??

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Having watched a lot of of the B1G games this year, I would be shocked if tOSU loses. Sparty does have a legit D this year, however my Gophers could have beaten them last week if our receivers could catch and our QB could hit the broadside of a barn. Meyer is too good of a motivator for them to come out flat, and the indoor venue will favor the team with the better skill players……..tOSU.
    My 2 cents.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Jordan Lynch for Heisman!

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Always have like Missouri for some reason, and hope they can win out and somehow be NC…

  • FedUpBeav says:
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    USC doesn’t think it wants to buy Justin Wilcox’s buyout which is 1 million but willing to buyout Tosh Lopoi whose buyout is 400K. Wilcox will interview for the UW head coach job per sources but is not their #1 candidate which may be Alabama OC Doug Nussmeier. Uncertain is if Nussmeier gets Wilcox as his DC for the “2 headed monster” scenario. Would be tough for Wilcox to then get the HC promotion at UW if Nuss the HC.

    This could mean Wilcox would be willing to listen to offers. Oregon State should relieve Banker and go after Wilcox as DC and assistant head coach/coach in waiting. Then in 4 years he can become head coach. That would be a home run for Oregon State but I imagine BDC is asleep at the wheel and playing checkers while everyone else is playing chess.

    • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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      He seems like more of a tic-tac-toe guy to me.

      • oneoldbeav says:
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        White-tail results?

        • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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          Passed up several smaller bucks, then finally took a dink on the last day. Good rut activity day one – saw three different bucks chasing does, then it shut off like a switch. Fun trip, but dissapointed not to take a mature buck – I was pretty successful in that arena when I still lived over there.

          Thanks for asking,

          GWH

          • oneoldbeav says:
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            Funny how that rut switch flips! At least you’ve got backstrap for Christmas!

      • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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        I was thinking hungry, hungry hippos

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          That game is too competitive. His Hippo always ends up with an empty belly.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      I’d rather see them spend the money and get Chris Peterson. BSU seems to be getting quiet, and I think Peterson might like having a bigger challenge and stage on a more frequent basis rather than just the occasional big pre-season game and the occasional big bowl game. Plus, he’s proven that a big market isn’t the driving force for him.

      I think a competent AD with vision could appeal to his competitive spirit and provide Peterson with a step up in league play. It would be an expensive investment, but I bet OSU would see a return on that investment in terms of recruiting, viewer interest, game attendance, and alumni involvement.

      Whenever people talk about the idea of a new coach at OSU, they only seem to talk about the costs (Riley buy-out, potential near term hit in recruiting during transition), they never talk about the potential returns.

      • GOBeavs GOBeavs says:
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        Why would Peterson come to OSU but not UW, USC, UCLA, Stanford..?

        UCLA offered him 4 million per year and he didn’t bite. It’s not money with Peterson. He must really like what he has going on in Boise.

    • GOBeavs GOBeavs says:
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      This would be amazing. Unfortunately I’m guessing it has a 0% chance of happening. There has been no indication that the OSU admin is unhappy with Riley and Co. even a little bit…

      Does anyone have any sign that there is any heat on Riley/Banker other than fan outrage on the internet?

    • pinger says:
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      Wilcox can not make a lateral move ie: UW DC to OSU DC in conference as part of his contract (per his brother on the FAN yesterday). HC yes, DC no.

      • FedUpBeav says:
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        I would take him right now as OSU head coach. Riley can retire and be bought out for 7 million. Atleast we might win a CW in the next few years and have better recruiting. This fanbase is losing patience with Riley and possibly missing a bowl and a losing season next year with another easy schedule to open will play very poorly. Rather get a guy a year early whise stock is headed up for several years most likely then a guy whose stock has fallen for 3 out of tbe last 4 years and is downtrending.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    And S-I’s Mandel weighs in on “BCS armageddon” and the possibility of an Iron Bowl II.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20131204/college-football-mailbag-bcs-armageddon/

    • Jack says:
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      Heh heh…

      “But my gosh, you will never see a fan base crow over a coach’s 8-4 campaign the way Hawkeyes fans have in my Twitter mentions and inbox since last Friday. I don’t know whether to admire their loyalty or ridicule their incredibly low expectations.”

      • steveEbeaver says:
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        That’s the paragraph that jumped out to me also.

  • helmsley says:
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    Nike and Indonesian labor – If the facts are only 50% accurate, it’s still awful.

    http://www.alternet.org/world/meet-next-country-might-explode-protests-against-corporate-plunder-and-slave-labor-working?paging=off

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Always go with the New Balance made in the Northeast.

      • Jack says:
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        Meh.. NB has undergone a change in recent years as far as what exactly is “made in the USA.” They still have a list on their site which tells you what models are put “assembled” in the US. But the parts of the whole are imported. Their 70% domestic value metric includes the cost of labor in the assembly process. It’s still better than the alternative, but it portends a slide into the same ruthless world the other manufacturers have created.

        I’ve gone all minimalist over the past couple years, and there are more options in that arena if running is what you’re doing. I splurged on a pair of Russell Moccasin Thula Thula minimalist stalkers, and I very highly recommend them to anyone. I don’t run in them though. I like them too much as everyday shoes, and I’m not going to use up that kind of money on shoes just to wear them out. Has anyone out there tried Soft Star Shoes? I think one of their mocs will be my next purchase. They look comfortable too.

        I guess I can just drive up there one day and check them out myself.

        100% made in USA casual and dress shoes for anyone are easy to find with the google thingy. It’s the sporting related footwear that’s hard to find. Although, I’m told you can find vintage Chuck Taylors on ebay still. I imagine that’s pretty expensive even if you can find the correct size.

  • calibeav says:
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    BDC just sounds like such a loser. You can tell his mentality is that of a loser. How does such a man rise to such a great job??

    Teams will find out Sunday where they’re headed for the holidays (if anywhere) once BCS games are set. In Palm’s latest projection for CBSSports.com, he has Washington State, which also posted an overall record of 6-6 and 4-5 in conference, missing out a bowl game. He reasons that the Cougars’ don’t have a fan base known for traveling, though it might not be their fault: WSU hasn’t been bowl eligible for 10 years.

    De Carolis disagrees.

    “We don’t know this for sure, but I would guess Washington State would get a bid because they haven’t been in a bowl game since (2003), so there’s pent up emotion in their fan base,” De Carolis said. “They finished pretty strong, and they’re going to buy tickets and go wherever.”

    • mckalk says:
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      It’s interesting, after the close loss to the Ducks, it sounded like BDC and Riley were enthusiastic about a bowl game. I’m parapharasing, but there was a quote about “we are going to play somewhere”….now it sounds like BDC is pimping for Wazzu? Maybe even BDC doesn’t want to deal with a Riley extension or the hassles of a minor bowl in a minor location after five straight losses.

  • calibeav says:
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    It’s all about who’s going to travel,” Palm said. “It’s not about the quality of the team — and to be honest, there’s not much separation between the four. It’s about ticket sales. And it could come down to which athletic director can sell their team the best.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/12/oregon_state_football_bob_de_c.html

    Well in that case no Bowl game for the BEAVS! BDC couldnt sell coke to Lindsay Lohan

    • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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      good. Beavs don’t deserve to go to a bowl game anyways

      • FireBDCNow says:
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        Agree they don’t deserve a bowl with the 5 game skid. BDC though in typical fashion is sounding like one of the most incompetent ADs in the nation. He should have been fired years ago and very upset Ed Ray is tolerating his blunders and poor leadership. With a proper AD we might become something all right but BDC will have OSU stuck in mediocrity if not worse for as long as he tortures us. Think it will take some picketing of Kerr and Gill to get this clown out of here as soon as I think the VAST majority wants.

      • helmsley says:
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        I know someone in the depths of a clerical position at OSU who believes that there is little or no enthusiasm for a bowl game. Too much work for too little.

  • GOBeavs GOBeavs says:
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    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/12/oregon_state_football_qa_with.html

    There’s exactly zero pressure on Riley and Co. just so you guys know. Any coach shuffling (even assistants) you guys were hoping for is a pipe dream. There’s not even a sense of disappointment with how the season went from the admin.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Looks like Lindsay has reverted to her norm in that piece. Just couldn’t bring herself to ask for specifics or to follow up at all, too pleased to hear a “national expert” confirm her beliefs I suppose. Notice she starts with reference to a twitter conversation with “an OSU fan” who wanted Riley fired.

      Some real gems in there: Feldman says Riley is “an excellent coach and a proven winner” and ” he and his staff keep finding ways to win and compete”. A losing record over 4 years doesn’t make much of an impression on Mr. Feldman!

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      We knew this before it happened. We knew it five years ago. If 28 years taught me anything, catharsis is therapeutic.

      Besides, what are we going to do as decent humans? Golf clap and say, “Yay for you guys! You did just awesome with your little season. Yay!”

      Sorry, if there’s one thing 28 years taught me… wait… If there’s two things 28 years taught me is that catharsis is therapeutic and when you give up it can be 29 years.

      And someone has to bear witness even if it’s nothing more than to fill a void. If there’s three things 28 years taught me….

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      If you notice many of these types of articles always default to “nice guy Mike Riley” mode. In some ways Mike Riley is crazy like a fox, being nice to people (in his case especially to the media) at his level is going to garner a lot of good will and cover up a lot of mediocrity. Look at his NFL career if you need more evidence. How in the hell do you get three years out of those numbers?

      I like my coaches a little drunk and a little nasty….like Dennis or Ralph in Corvallis.

      Here’s another thing that drives me crazy with the Riley media apologists. Riley’s what sixty years old? Change is probably coming in the next five years anyway. There’s going to be a new HC in the near future whether Lindsay or Bruce Feldman like it or not. I guess us fans are doomed as MR can’t possibly be replaced.

      So what’s the upside to accepting mediocrity now? Waiting for that next “special” 8-5 season. If your not competing for championships in college football, you’re irrelevant anyway. There’s not much difference between 7-5 or 5-7 on a yearly basis.

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      You’ll note that Riley’s hands are empty in that picture. One would have to think he has all the plays he’s calling memorized. Either that or somebody else is calling them? Naaaaa…….

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      Gag.

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    Last day to vote for the Biletnikoff winner:

    https://polldaddy.com/poll/7373923/

    Cooks has a pretty solid lead right now but a few more can never hurt!

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    UNC just took down sparty in hoops. Arizona will be No. 1 on Monday. If you haven’t watched them this year, that team is scary good

  • Mb says:
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    Ladies and gentlemen, a solution to the dlemna. Please welcome Deputy Chief of Staff Banker, Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff Cav and Deputy Assistant Chief of Staff Read.

  • FireBDCNow says:
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    How is Chris Petersen’s buyout only 750K and Riley’s is 7 million or perhaps more if we go to a bowl after a 5 game skid?

    Because BDC is the biggest idiot on the planet! Completely absurd! Fire this clown now!

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      Peterson’s is in pounds of potatoes. That’s a shitload of spuds.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    So those articles are deflating. The media bangs on the fan base for not being passionate, but then they turn around and tell us, well that’s the best you can ever hope to do. So who would want to support a program who can’t do any better then .500? None of the admin are willing to make change, and the media thinks it would be useless. We should just drop down a level because everybody has told us we can’t compete at this level. Are hands are tied. The grass roots movement for change doesn’t have enough resources to influence change or make a change work. Wow, don’t know what to think. But I don’t plan on renewing tickets next season since there is no commitment to winning championships. I don’t feel like being a punching bag for the rest of the conference.

  • Jack says:
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    What we’re asking of Bobby D:

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      What we’re getting from Bobby D:

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      Seriously? That speech gets a -1?

      I’m really gonna have to downgrade Pollyannas now. I think I’ll take all those maxims used and modify them for OSU’s current state.

      Let’s start with this one:
      Fortune favors the apologists who live paycheck to paycheck.

  • Huh says:
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    Jovan Stevenson was just cited by the police.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Goe talks about the unsustainable trajectory of college athletics spending:

    “The Knight Commission has concluded, in the words of University of Maryland system chancellor William Kirwan, “College athletics has the potential for so much good, but the current trajectory of spending is unsustainable.”

    We live in a strange time, when spending priorities seem to indicate that athletics is a bigger priority for university administrators than higher education.

    Spending on football often is justified because of the return on investment. Most FBS schools make money on their football programs. Some of the profit is re-invested in the school’s non-revenue athletic programs.

    Of course some of it also is funneled into bigger and better athletic facilities and spiraling coaching salaries.

    So why have the nation’s systems of higher education become major purveyors of athletic entertainment? And if they are going to take that road, shouldn’t the players share in some of the profit now going into coaching salaries?

    Dick Harmon of the Deseret News writes that while spending on Division I athletic programs is unfortunate and out of control, it’s also the world we live in.

    Harmon probably is right. The bigger question, though, and one the Knight Commission is asking, is where does it go from here?”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2013/12/issues_answers_thursday_mornin_4.html

  • ObjCritic says:
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    BDC on bowl prospects:
    “As for whether fans will travel to watch this Oregon State team, well, De Carolis says he doesn’t know.

    “Tickets are going to get sold whether we buy them, eat them or whatever,” he said, adding that the Pac-12 could help pay for some of the unsold tickets. “But how many bodies are you going to have in the stands so the television production looks good? That’s really the question. I can’t answer that.”

    In the week between the end of OSU’s regular season and Sunday’s bowl announcements, De Carolis said the athletic department has reached out to some donors to get a sense of whether they’d travel to a bowl, and that they’ve received “mixed reviews.”

    “Let’s call it what it is,” he said. “After the Washington game, everybody was totally depressed, and rightfully so … I think there was some hope after the Oregon game. Yeah, we didn’t win the game, but we were right there and played well for the most part. I think that gave some good vibes to part of the fan base, but it didn’t get everybody.”

    ”’but it didn’t get everybody.” Does he mean us?!?

    Who would travel to Shreveport not knowing which OSU team is going to show? If BDC is portraying this lack of confidence, while talking up WSU’s “pent up” fan base that would travel to a bowl, how is he helping secure a bowl for those extra practices Riley wants so bad (and always wastes)?

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/12/oregon_state_football_bob_de_c.html

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      I wouldn’t travel to a Rose Bowl game to see this team. It’s not about whether the team will show up or not, it’s about whether they deserve it. At 6-6 with a loss to a FCS school I say no, they don’t deserve it.
      I’ll reach out to BDC and let him know that I will not be traveling anywhere except the Winter Ale Fest in Portland this weekend.

      • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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        Cheers!

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        Well, I scrapped plans to travel to Corvallis (from within Oregon) to see them play UW, turned out to be a pretty good decision.

    • CraigBeav says:
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      I’ll be travelling to Shreveport if they come (because I’m already in Louisiana). And I’ll have a great big FIRE BDC sign up in the stands.

  • CraigBeav says:
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    From 2006:
    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20061012&slug=uwfb12

    Al Reser, a big-time OSU donor and the man whose name is on the stadium, told Oregonian columnist John Canzano last week that the current direction of the program is “unacceptable” and Canzano wrote that donors would have no problem helping buy out Riley’s contract after this season if need be.

    Riley said he was “aware” of Reser’s comments. “I’m concerned about how we are doing, too,” Riley said.

    I want to know what happened to those big donors (except, of course, for Al, who is up in potato salad heaven).

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      I hope when it’s my time, I am accepted into potato salad heaven too. That place sounds awesome…

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      They all died of coronary artery disease from eating Al’s tater salad. Luck O the Beav’s.

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        Always hated that stuff. As it host or hostess it’s served “when you just couldn’t do or careless”…come to think if it….that should be BDC’s motto. JB

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        I’m not proud to admit it, but I liked the Reser’s salsa back in the day. Of course that was before everyone became a Mexico regional food expert.

    • mckalk says:
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      Yeah, a 5-7 and 3-9 season didn’t raise that much ire. I miss big Al. Apparently his standard was 11-1 and a BCS game and he had about had it with Riley’s f-ing around.

      I also like that BDC apparently thinks a loss to the Huskies was the defining moment of the program. I’ll take DE’s win over Cal to guarantee a winning season as mine. What a loser.

  • helmsley says:
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    Much of what BDC is quoted as saying is spot on. Sadly realistic.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Stephen Nelson ?@Stephen__Nelson 2h

    For #GoBeavs fans who want Riley gone, Dylan Wynn: “We couldn’t have a better coach. I truly believe that w/ all my heart. Banker too” (1/2)

    Wynn (2/2): “You ignore it, but you see when people start calling out your coaches. It ‘aint them–I promise you it ‘aint them.” #GoBeavs

    https://twitter.com/Stephen__Nelson/status/408697793130135552

    • ObjCritic says:
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      A guy listed at 260, assigned to play DT, doesn’t think the coaches are a significant part of the problem?

      Don’t get me wrong, I like Wynn’s energy and think he’s probably a great team member; and I understand coaches think they have a quickness advantage in moving him to DT, but strategically, has it really been effective? Is it a good coaching move?

  • Jack says:
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    WTF?!?!?!?!?

    Oh my! This could be really bad.
    http://smarp.com/event/IA906288/-Nick-Saban-in-Seattle-Tacoma-International-Airport-WA-USA

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      I’m gonna go with him being there because he wants Carroll’s advice on what to do to get set up in the right NFL situation where he gets to choose his personnel. My second hope is that maybe Bellevue needs a new HC? The alternative is really really bad.

      • GOBeavs GOBeavs says:
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        The other alternative is that the pic is fake as fuck. Looks like it was taken from this website.

        Third pic down.

        http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/outoftown/washington/seattle/sea-tac/

        I’d be more scared that it’s going to be Peterson now. He is set to be interviewing tomorrow supposedly…

        • angry angry says:
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          I welcome good coaches. Rising tide lifts all boats…

          • GOBeavs GOBeavs says:
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            You could say the same thing about the Pac 12 Network money being a “rising tide” however thus far it looks like the other schools are gaining on us, but we have not improved.

          • Jack says:
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            Gaining? Are the other schools behind us? That’s not what my AD tells me.

          • angry angry says:
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            Right, which means anti-Riley sentiment will rise.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Even a Crimson Tide?

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            I understand the sentiment, but that’s such a stupid maxim. My first corollary to it is that those who can’t afford boats or houses on the hill get drowned by a rising tide… not to mention the boats run aground. If you haven’t noticed BDC says we’re broke as shit.

            Duh?

            Ahhh… if only [insert subject you wish to reduce to a stupid maxim here] was so simple it could be reduced to a stupid maxim.

            Btw… I hate that maxim. It’s lazy and stupid… and so very very very very not true. In fact, given that it was stolen from JFK for GOP purposes (after JFK stole it from someone else of course), I would say that it’s a bold face type lie.

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            The maxim isn’t accurate. All I am trying to say, is that if other schools get good, new coaches and Riley keeps doing what he’s doing (average at best), then there will be louder cries for change. Right now this faction is being heard. You keep seeing on O-live that some fans want change, etc. They’re talking about AB. Especially now that I’m monitoring their print, specifically Lindsey Schnell. She’s stepped up big time over the past week. This is all good news for Beaver fans who want a Rose Bowl appearance (notice I didn’t say win…at this point I’d be thrilled just to make that game).

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            Actually, if we modify it the way I always rail against it, it’s correct. A rising tide floods the lowlands.

            I’m astounded at some of the (now) cliches some political wonks use these days. And it’s completely stupid that you turn the channel just to hear some other wonk from the same party say the exact same things… word for word. But apparently hare-brained stir fry flies with focus groups, so these wonks don’t care if they hammer home some stir fry and look like hare-brains in the process so long as they earn some coin off the policy they derive from said stir fry.

            This particular maxim wants us to believe that when the mean rises everyone benefits. It’s too bad the people who have beat it into the ground (where a dead horse is buried in a shallow grave) don’t also tell everyone that while the mean has risen, the median has fallen.

            All boats my ass. OSU is Kiribati, and the tide is rising.

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        Why? The Beavs can’t beat the Huskies with Sarkisian anyway. A loss is a loss. If this was true it’s worse news for the Quacks. And why the hell does Saban have to fly commercial?

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      Check out the reactions are PO and contrast with here:

      http://www.pure-orange.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/bscpigskin2?cmd=get&cG=231393731323&zu=323139373132&v=2&gV=0&p=

      Too funny.

      • whiskeysoakednapkins says:
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        that site blows

      • angry angry says:
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        That site really is the worst. They are CLUELESS. I bet those guys bought subprime homes and segways, too.

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          There’s a lot of homers on the site, but some occasional decent critiques, too.

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      My post in response to Goe’s article after some quick research:

      ” There doesn’t appear to be a strong relationship between extra bowl practices and empirical performance gains in subsequent seasons, particularly early, where OSU has been notoriously slow to start:

      2003 Vegas Bowl victory was followed by a 1-4 start in ’04, (7-5 final) and insight bowl victory;

      2004 Insight Bowl Victory was followed in ’05 by a 2-2 start and 5-6 final record (no bowl);

      2006 – tarted 2-3, finished 10-4, with a sun bowl victory, arguably Riley’s best bowl, no extra bowl practices preceding season;

      2007, OSU started 2-3, finished 9-4, with an Emerald Bowl victory;

      2008, OSU again started 2-3, finished 9-4 with a 3-0 sun bowl victory;

      2009 – Start 2 – 2, finish 8-5 with a Vegas Bowl loss to BYU;

      2010 start 3-2(!), finish 5-7, no bowl;

      2011 start 1-4, finish 3-9 , no bowl, no extra practices;

      2012 start 6-0, finish 9-4 with an Alamo Bowl loss to Texas;

      2013 – EWU loss to start, 6 straight wins, 5 game losing streak, finish 6-6

      The program does not appear it knows how to benefit from extra bowl practices, and to pursue a meaningless bowl for the sake of practices at the cost of eating tickets is absurd.

      Fans have little reason to travel to a non-destination destination, particularly when they have to wonder if the coaching staff and team will be ready to play;

      The team would likely benefit from staying home, appreciating the need to EARN a bowl victory, and working out on their own.

      Stay home OSU. If you must go, go to New Mexico, where’s there’s some good food and you can end the season ASAP with the first bowl game of the season.”

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        No way! We want the Little Caesars Pizza bowl in Detroit! Cause tons of OSU fans and alums would travel to the ghetto to watch the beavers bowel game

      • Issaquahbeav says:
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        The other farce is Riley’s mantra is there is a lot to be gained with coaching continuity. Todd Graham will likely be playing in a Rose Bowl after 2 short years at the helm. Riley loves to beat that drum over and over.

  • GOBeavs GOBeavs says:
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    Interview with Bobby D.

    Best part is the end. I wonder if Riley dreams of that 2009 season where he had his best shot at a Rose Bowl but blew it.

    “After the 2008 season, Riley told De Carolis, ‘I finally think we’re at that point, where we should be able to compete for a championship.’

    Five years later, the Beavers still aren’t there. If anything, they’ve taken a step back.”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/12/bob_de_carolis_acknowledges_or.html

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      “Best part is the end. I wonder if Riley dreams of that 2009 season where he had his best shot at a Rose Bowl but blew it.”

      I remember an s-i article on Riley months later, and he was still referring to that loss, and to an open receiver in the end zone Canfield couldn’t get the ball to in time….Canfield was sacked, Riley thought they could have taken the lead…it was a hard loss on Riley.

    • mckalk says:
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      I like the photo…the look on BDC’s face is almost what the f*** Mike?…..get that shit eating grin off of your face, we just lost!

    • Numbers says:
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      Somebody please inform mr bobby d that he is supposed to be the ‘expert’ on evaluating coaching abilities and performance, and hence should have more than a little input on assistant coaching decisions.

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Chris Petersen is new Huskies Coach!!!

    Wow, BDC looking even worse today. Will be interesting if Wilcox is his DC or if he gets the Boise St job.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10088337/washington-huskies-hire-chris-petersen-boise-state-broncos

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/12/06/chris-petersen-goes-to-washington-huskies-leaves-boise-state/3889233/

    • GOBeavs GOBeavs says:
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      Crazy. UW fans must feel amazing. Many wanted to get rid of Sark anyway. Now they got USC to pay his buyout and they got Peterson to replace him.

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      I’d imagine wilcox stays as dc. He’s teamed up with Peterson before his Tennessee stint amd he’s being paid well. I guess Boise st could lure him back with a head coach offer but doubt he goes. UW gets a big upgrade thanks to USC

    • Numbers says:
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      UW is now a force to be reckoned, way to go boob

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        To be fair, Boob didn’t have anything to do with that. He’s still a boob regardless.

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    Pac-12 North will have 3 of the most disciplined teams in college football with Oregon, Stanford and UW under Peterson. Then there’s the Beavs….

    • GOBeavs GOBeavs says:
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      Oregon sure didn’t look too disciplined this year. I’m not so sure Helfrich can replicate what Chip Kelly was able to pull off but he was only in his first year as a HC.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        It’s true, Oregon may have taken a step back towards the end of the year, but when they have OSU to compare/contrast with, they still look pretty good.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Seriously, if there is not some changes here in the off season, namely at minimum coordinator changes, namely langsdork and bumker, I don’t know if I can continue. 51 years old. One Rose Bowl to take my dad to is all I ask. And looking at the big picture of the Pac-12 I see it as less and less likely. Bobby D failed by not seeing the big picture or changing landscape of the Pac-12 and adjusting like everyone else has. The Pac-12 now has the most elite / hungry coaches in the nation with the addition of Peterson. The Pac-12 will be a really tough league to play in for the next couple of years minimum and we are practically the only ones with no coaching changes for the last 10 years.

    • GOBeavs GOBeavs says:
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      Those probably changes won’t happen. After the 3-9 season we brought on a LB coach and moved Jay Locey to an admin position…

      http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/12/bob_de_carolis_acknowledges_or.html

      “De Carolis would not speculate on Riley’s future should the Beavers’ continue to finish .500 or below. He pointed out that after the 3-9 year, he, Riley and the entire football staff had “some really positive and detailed discussions from every aspect of the program … and (Riley) made some changes.”

      Those included a few additions to the coaching staff, such as linebackers coach Trent Bray. Riley said the Beavers brought Bray on not because they thought they needed a linebackers coach (defensive coordinator Mark Banker had coached the linebackers in 2011) but because they thought he would fit well on the staff. But after 2012 Riley said it hit him “right between the eyes” that they need to promote Bray from graduate assistant to full-time assistant, and Riley moved tight ends coach Jay Locey to an administrative position to do so. (A graduate assistant, former offensive lineman Kyle DeVan, took over tight ends this year.)”

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        The article neglected to mention the major upgrades they made to the Valley Football center that year with an “endless” popcorn machine and 2 foosball tables. (hand me downs from UofO’s renovation, still need orange paint to cover the green)

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      No one is leaving unless they get hired away. Start planning accordingly.

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    “Petersen interviewed at Washington Thursday night, and has reportedly been offered one of the Pac-12’s highest salaries. CBS Sports is reporting it’s a five-year deal.”

    Wait what? Not a 17 or 18 year deal like Riley’s with the standard for excellence set at 6-6? Instead just a standard 5 year deal with an option to extend a couple years toward the end if wanted. No need to blow a two decade wad like BDC did with his nonsense contract.

    Instead OSU fans are forced to root against a bowl game unless they wish to have a 75 year old coach in 2027 as a few more 6-6 seasons would put us there. Who would possibly want this? How can this possibly be about Oregon State? Our options are completely crippled because of BDC. Riley himself said after the San Diego disaster that he hoped his next job would be his last because he learned that almost all places had expectations of winning results and knew he wouldn’t last long without producing.

    No need to worry about that know as with BDC’s ridiculous deal the coach/program have hit the snooze button. Even maintaining his win 1 year out of 4 that he has gotten since this stupid deal and we can still be stuck with Riley to beyond 2025. But throughout the Pac-12 good coaches keep getting hired proving that 95% of Pac-12 HC positions are very attractive. Even at OSU.

    A new 10 year deal was already VERY long but BDC turned it into something far worse. Likely 17 more years with anything better than terrible being sufficient and no incentive to raise the bar. In the end we could have 25 years spent on Riley and nothing more than maybe one more Sun Bowl win. DeCarolis is a frickin’ joke.

    FIRE BDC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SCREW YOU DECARELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Issaquahbeav says:
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    Love how UW hired a new coach within days. If BDC did fire Riley, the search would take months with BDC at the helm. He’d probably set up a panel interview like the CR hire.

  • GOBeavs GOBeavs says:
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    This article just came out. So this is where the Pac 12 Network money isn’t that much meme came from. Basically we only netted 2.5 million extra since the rest had to go toward buying out old media and help pay the existing budget…

    “According to De Carolis, Oregon State got about $16.5 million from its contracts with ABC/ESPN and Fox. But then OSU had to subtract a Learfield media buyout (approximately $6 million) and what it was getting from the previous contracts, which left $9 million in ‘new net money.’

    Two years ago the university increased its investment in athletics from $4 million to $10.5 — a necessity to “balance the budget,” De Carolis said. The $6.5 million balance is now being paid with money from the Pac-12 TV deal, which leaves OSU with a net gain of $2.5 million, a much lower number than what’s been reported by a variety of outlets.”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2013/12/oregon_state_athletics_beavers.html

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      Also from the article:
      “We’ve got all the design and architectural work done, and we hope to start as soon as possible,” Casey said, acknowledging that as the head coach it’s his job to reach out to former players who could contribute financially. Certainly former outfield Jacoby Ellsbury, who reportedly agreed to a 7-year, $153-million deal with the Yankees this week, and former offensive lineman Andy Levitre, who agreed to a 6-year, almost-$47 million deal with the Titans in March, are two athletes who could become major OSU donors. Former football standouts Derek Anderson and Steven Jackson, now in the NFL, have both given significant amounts in the past. Payton and Green have contributed to the basketball practice facility but no amounts were reported.

  • FedUpBeav says:
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    BDC is a waste. We have an aging fanbase because it is mostly only the old farts who still cling to Riley as the best we can do. Those Pollys are now aged 60+ like Riley and BDC. The younger generations believe in what can be accomplished here as at so many other Pac-12 universities and want a fresh vision for success. Problem is BDC is only giving them the status quo and maybe for another 12 or more years. That is a very bleak prospect to anyone under 45.

    The fans BDC wants are age 25-45 but he won’t do anything that will actually satisfy the, Catering to the 60+ crowd for the next decade plus is about as stupid of a direction as we can go because they will be turning into the 70+ crowd. It is time for the administration to realize change is needed this offseason. Both coordinators need to go. Riley lost his control of that with 1 winning season in the last 4. The repercussions of us sticking as is for another 5 years alone will be pretty awful.

    BDC is not who we need to enliven and broaden the fanbase as we so desperately need to do. Given his age and declining abilities he portrays the exact opposite image then what is good and healthy for OSU for the rest of this decade. We need changes that will attract a younger crowd and grow their support over the next 10+ years but instead we will see more of the fanbase approaching years where they aren’t far off from retirement communities. Way to be about as unsexy as possible amongst the current Pac-12 BDC.

    Ed Ray is asleep at the wheel to have not already ended DeCareLess’ time at OSU. We are desperate for some vision and leadership and BDC is clinging to his pocket of aging support which will only make the situation worse.

    • Bill says:
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      The younger generation isn’t going to donate before results. They want results first and then they might invest.

      • Bill says:
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        To add, OSU is going to need a young charismatic AD to lead the way.

  • FedUpBeav says:
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    UW: Welcome to the Petersen Era!

    http://www.gohuskies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30200&ATCLID=209333577

    OSU: Welcome to a slow but steady aging decline and the worst AD in the Pac-12

    BDC kicks rocks….. 🙁

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Riley being so loyal, probably won’t resign just due to the fact that his assistants would loose their jobs. So he will stay on forever to protect them.

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