30.Aug.2014 Post Game Thoughts

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A lot of “A win is a win” going on via Twitter. That’s a rationalization method, as we all know not all wins are created equal.

Let me ask you this: If they Beavers had won 45-0 without any flaws, would you feel like absolute shit, as you do now?

Of course it’s the Mamma Machados of the world spewing that BS. This win was ghetto and jank. The only positives I saw where Justin Strong making some nice plays and taking good angles, Grant Bays looked good at times (was really high on him as a recruit), Nelson had nice coverage…can’t think of much else. Yeah Zimmerman had a nice game, but those balls were gift-wrapped, and I don’t see that translating to him having a breakout season in the Pac-12 once competition picks up.

The rest was all typical OSU. Over a 9 month period we read crap spewed by the mainstream media saying that this year is going to be different, but did you see anything different? That is all propaganda to get us hopeful and excited about a mediocre, if not bad, product, and spend our wages on it. But there was nothing different, and nothing to get excited over. I saw the same exact bones of last year’s team, and the year before, and the year before…etc. All that changes is the cast of characters. It’s a perpetual vaudeville show up there in Corvallis with the directors and choreographers remaining the same and the performers changing. There can’t be “teaching moments” if you don’t have teachers who have mastered the subject. This is why we see Banker looking like a fool year after year, for example. He’s a so-so D coordinator and is probably more suited for high school football. But since OSU is “poor” we’re told he’s awesome. A more honest statement would be “this D coordinator sucks, but he’s one of Riley’s best friends, Riley doesn’t like change, and Riley is signed for life, so you’ll have to deal with it.” At least we could respect the honesty of that.

Also, OSU has such low self-esteem. That low self-esteem starts at the top, and it’s not necessarily verbal (they say the right things, it’s just forced and insincere). It’s more how they act. Hiring gimmick coaches like CR, signing Riley for life out of desperation, etc. These are the actions of desperate people who think lowly of the university, yet are trying to create a buzz. That unspoken message does get passed down to fans. The loyal fan will take the unspoken cue and run with it, making up justifications that do become spoken and eventually spoken so much they become belief. “Nobody can recruit to Corvallis” is a good example of this. That starts at the top via unspokens and moves down the chain. The loyal fan, therefore, plays a key role in this smokescreen. A better message would be how to creatively move beyond these perceived and self-fulfilling beliefs. I’ve offered so many solutions in that regard, but they fall on deaf ears. This is a bit of a tangent but not entirely…what we say today on the field is due to the process off the field, and it starts at the top and percolates into the players and fans’ expectations and self-worth. It’s sinister, and I won’t accept it, which is why I’ll never agree that “a win is a win”. Today’s win was absolute shit. I repeat: absolute shit! Not all wins are created equal, and I will not let these assholes tell me or my readers otherwise.

Have a good Labor Day weekend, Beavos. And I look forward to another season of madness here at AB, the only source of real talk.

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  • mckalk says:
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    It pisses me off that these FCS games are no longer a given with this program. They are meant to be a tune up, otherwise go play a respectable D1 team on the road. If you lose, you lose. I know it means something to Riley to go to a minor bowl game, but I think that’s because of his contract for life. In my mind,there’s not much difference between 5-7 and 6-6 with the expense of a shitty 3rd tier bowl game.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Badder: the OT didn’t look good, and Mannion started getting the “yips” in the pocket. They might have to move Isaac to Tackle?
    Mobile qb, again can’t contain the pocket, over and over again, frustrating.
    Penalties: no discipline again, get tired of seeing it!
    Better: didnt lose this time! The receivers started to get open more as they ran routes back toward the qb, more dump offs.
    Woods ran the ball with more purpose, hard and accelerated.
    Created turnovers, granted most were gifts that good teams won’t make.

    Bungled: clock management was again terrible, no help from new OC
    Should have pounded the rock, the run was working could’ve tired out their DL by running it.
    Redzone was predictable, inefficient, and missed opportunities.
    Unfortunately, most of this is status quo.

    • bone says:
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      You bring up an intersting point with the penalties. I hate them on offense, I can live with them on defense, usually the better defensive teams are some of the highest penalized (fiesta bowl team, Seattle last year).

      Really disappointing game offensively, how do you put up 500 yards of offense and only score 29 points? Defense was good except for one drive.

      Any of the beaver fan vets care to share how they felt after the 2000 eastern wastington game?

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        How many motion penalties is that on Smith now? The dude needs to remember what the count is.

      • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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        In 2000 we were lucky to escape with the win (shoe string tackle by housh to save the game) and the team might be mediocre. Also felt chad Johnson was very fast, but overrated with shitty hands (had like 4 easy drops.) took a duck friend to the game with me and he was making fun all the way home.

        That and Ewu had the most amazing 5’7″ lb who would run full speed and launch himself into the air like a bullet and spear everyone in the chest. He was everywhere on the field and is the one who almost to the int 70 yards to the house for the win if housh didn’t reel him in.

  • Outcast says:
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    Would have been interesting if this site had existed in 2000 to see this kind of feedback after the Eastern Washington game that year. While there were definitely things that need to be addressed and fixed, there were enough positives to feel alright going forward, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

    I say hold of the judgment and pessimism until we get to the conference games. Give them a few weeks to get the bugs worked out (and get Seumalo back healthy on the offensive line). This team still has the talent to win 10 games this year.

    • beaverface says:
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      Ten wins? Yikes! And why, year in and year out, do we have to concede the first month of the season as Riley works out the kinks? What goes on down there in Corvallis every year during the month of August anyway?

      • Outcast says:
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        Who’s conceding anything? If you look at the box score, Oregon State dominated, especially in the 2nd half of the game. (504 yards to 214 yards; 5 takeaways to 1 giveaway; preventing PSU from converting a single 3rd down). It just didn’t feel that way because OSU was completely inept in the red zone all night, ending multiple drives with only 3 points instead of 7. We play like we did today, we’ll be 3-0 going into the USC game. With the group of tightends we have, I refuse to believe we will continue to be inept in the red zone all season, especially once we get our o-line back to full strength.

        • angry angry says:
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          Someone here said Issac will not be back this year, per some inside source.

          I see USC, Oregon, and Stanford as loses. I’m not sure who Hawaii or SDSU have at QB at this point, but if they are mobile those games won’t be easy. ASU, Washington, and Cal are all 50-50. I don’t see more than 7 wins best case. OSU can’t stop mobile QBs and the offense will struggle vs better teams. 504 yards is deceptive. The offensive execution was terrible.

  • osbeavs says:
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    I was mostly disappointed by our redzone. We all knew that the o line and receivers were going to look terrible. Our D was actually pretty good besides the inability to defend the mobile QB (what else is new). We probably didn’t practice this skill at all either during fall camp. At least we made halftime adjustments. Its too bad our redzone was so bad, let’s hope that improves or this will be a long season.

    I bet this team wins 7 games. An above average coach could find 9-10 with this roster.

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    Terron Ward and Storm Woods are known quantities who have had plenty of reps over the past couple of years. Today’s game — esp. in the last five minutes — represented a missed opportunity to give Chris Brown (and Damian Haskins) a chance to show what they can do, and to get them some valuable reps.

    Speaking of valuable reps and missed opportunities. how about letting VanderVeen handle that last drive to run down the clock against Portland State? Have the OSU coaches forgotten that our #2 QB needs game experience, and currently has none at all? What happens if/when Mannion gets injured, and VanderVeen has to run the offense? Wouldn’t it be smart to get VanderVeen some game reps towards the end of a game like this, rather than throwing him into the fire for the first time in a crisis situation during a PAC-12 game?

    I was hoping that Coach Garrett would make a difference here (as well as in other areas, such as better clock management). So far, no evidence of that at all, which is quite disappointing.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      On the money again, silver. I’d add that the tendency to abandon the rush too soon still lives in spite of the new OC.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    This makes 3 free games so far this year and counting. Also, anybody notice they took my advice on the 3Q song and played AC/DC You shook me?

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    .@BeavBlazer you are our winner for #WhatBeaversWear. Please DM us a message with your contact info so we can get you 2 SDSU tix. #gobeavs
    (https://twitter.com/OSUBeaversFB/status/505807195620249601)

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    • alex says:
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      Where did you other 2 free games come from?

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Well, they’re not free. You still have to go and sit through an on-the-field examples of Riley/Banker mediocrity….

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    My buddy had an extra today and i won 2 club seats for ASU through beaver Facebook contest. Must not be much competition

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Hawai’i 10-0 uw

  • scotty says:
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    Ducks with 14 points in half a quarter. Beavs with 13 in 2 quarters. Ugh.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    One positive. No obvious injuries?

  • GoBeavs82 says:
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    If PSU hadn’t gifted 2 interceptions to Zimmerman (who was he covering anyway), today’s game would have been a loss. I’ll give us a 50/50 chance against Hawaii, SDSU, WSU and CAL and 1 pure luck game to yield a 4 win season.

    • FedUpBeav says:
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      If it plays out as a losing season with a senior and likely 1st round NFL pick in Sean Mannion then Riley should be let go. Thank him, give him lifetime free tickets for 2 like Beavblazer has and let him watch for 10 years like Bellotti has already. At some point you pass the torch and let someone with his full life force left try to take us higher.

      • angry angry says:
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        Mannion probably won’t be a first round draft pick. With Cooks gone NFL teams are going to see what they have with Mannion. I bet he throws 20+ INTs this year. My guess is 25 TDs, 20 INTs, and a 4500-5000 yards. He should have thrown 3 picks today if PSU were competent.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Plus, the two fumbles were gifts too, one on a punt return muffed it, and the qb just dropped the otherone.

  • angry angry says:
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    Looking at the cover of Beaverblitz, you’d think everything was awesome:

    https://oregonstate.rivals.com/

    This is the spin machine for you. A pretty cheerleader + Beavs win home opener. Awesome job, Mamma Machado. How much does Yahoo pay you to take it in the ass?

  • mckalk says:
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    I’m still blown away….I heard NINE trips to the redzone and ONE touchdown. Is that even possible?

  • angry angry says:
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    Oh no. Hawaii runs the read option.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Yeah this is looking more and more like a loss. But your team usually makes the most improvement from the first game to the second right?

      Riley’s September record would suggest not his team’s.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    UW beats Hawaii by one…UW scored more against OSU last year then the Ducks scored against SD Coyotes today…

    What Riley/Banker provided today was another under-prepared, under-performing team. A few simple, clear questions need to be put to BDC given Riley’s 14-year record against PAC competition and the last several years of decline that includes poor play against teams like Sac State, EWU, and PSU today.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Watch this. It looks like Riley looks like he can’t believe his own bullshit, cant look people in the eye, sounds like he can’t buy it. “Just didn’t look like good football.” It wasn’t good football:

    http://www.csnnw.com/beavers/osu-vs-psu-postgame-videos

    • Hellobeavers says:
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      Did we watch the same video? Looks to me like he is acknowledging that he wasn’t happy with the offense despite getting the Win. I don’t think he’s trying to spin anything here. So not sure what you’re getting at by saying he can’t buy his own bullshit.

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    You guys are being a little rough and overly pessimistic about the d. There qb broke off the one huge run, and had a couple other little chunks in the first half. After that we adjusted scheme, put a spy on the qb and completely shut them down. They had what 190 yards of offense and 70 of it was one broken play. D will be good. It is fcs so grain of salt, but I believe (to lazy to look up) psu and that qb had one of the best offenses in the country.

    Redzone offense is another story though and IMO it was all on Riley. They did a good job of mixing up play calling and running a lot in the middle of the field. As soon as they crossed the 20 it was 3 pass plays and out like clockwork. Riley is still too in love with mannion at a detriment to the team. This is where we need Garrett to man up.

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      Also, ward looked like a sophomore again. Couldn’t identify a hole to save his life (though there weren’t many) and kept running into his own line and falling down. Storm is the better back. Could tell mannion was nervous and lost faith in the line in the 3rd quarter. Need Isaac back ASAP.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Yeah hopefully they watch the tape and Garrett points out the same thing that went wrong every time they hit the red zone.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    I dont buy the bit that Garrett was calling the plays, so he is the only one responsible for clock management. A head coach who isnt calling the plays, but says/does nothing as the bogus clock management unfolds, ….is a coach who just doesnt give a shit.

    Like some said on the game thread, maybe Riley has lost his will to be competitive–UO stomping his ass, family problems, whatever. In any case, seems like we are stuck with coaches, some of whom are going thru the motions, and even waving their arms or cursing on occasion….but really dont care about being as good as we can be. And not forgetting an AD who is fine with being a little better than average.

  • angry angry says:
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    The telecasters specifically said Riley was calling plays. Not sure where they got that info, but they were adamant about it.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      I was looking specifically for who appeared to be involved in the play calling. Garrett had a laminated play card and headphones on every time I saw him on camera. Riley had headphones on and a card folded up and stuffed in his back pocket most of the time. I’ll have to go back and look again but I remember one red zone play where they showed Garrett standing on the sideline with his card in his hand obviously listening to what was going on in his headphones. I need to go back and watch again.

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