12.Sep.2014 Beaver Coaches’ Salaries

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My issues with it are Banker and Garrett making 505k and 320k, respectively. Why is Banker worth half a million? Can anyone explain how/why other than the fact he’s been there a while and is a Riley insider? And Garrett shows up in year 1 and makes more than every assistant but Baker? Why? Because he had NFL ties? Because he’s a Riley insider? Landsdorf’s salary for that same job was 280k, and that was after 9 years. Side note, but I find it interesting that Eli Manning is absolute garbage with Langsdorf coaching him. Sure, it could be his age or issues with personnel, etc. Brennen and Brasfield seem slightly underpaid and under appreciated, relative to the other coaches’ salaries.

Bruce Read makes a lot for a special teams coach and it’s probably not justified, but I’ll say this: kick coverage has been good under him. This is just from memory, but I don’t remember any return TDs against us under Read, and most kickoffs don’t get beyond the 25. Do you guys remember ever being disappointed over punt or kickoff coverage?

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  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    I don’t understand why coaching salaries are an issue for anybody, other than they guys not getting paid. As fans, do we really care how much or little a guy makes? We’re not paying the salary. I care more about the length of contract and the guaranteed payouts which prevent a school from cutting ties with a coach for poor performance.

    • angry angry says:
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      We’re not paying the salary.

      I don’t know the exact breakdown for OSU, but this is an interesting article on that subject.
      http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB122853304793584959

      Say we’re paying 20% of it through tickets, merchandise, etc. Do you want to be paying Banker anything? I don’t. Also, it’s the principle of it–Banker should not be the highest paid assistant, based on his performance.

      • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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        I dont pay for games. Sounds like you dont either

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        then I believe we should get to make 20% of the decisions. I’ll take the end of the first half for utilizing timeouts properly

  • Bill says:
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    Disappointed in the guys who kick or punt. Kahut or Hekker were heart attacks almost every kick.

    Can’t recall the last time anyone took one to the house vs the beavs. The shield formation and college rules for punts won’t allow any punt returns for long gains or TDs anymore. Kickoff coverage has been fine. Good for at least one kick/punt return/punt block for TD each year.

    I think Garret’s salary is likely more market related than experience or anything else. Compared to other OCs, he’s probably getting underpaid.
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/ncaaf/assistant/

    • angry angry says:
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      Kahut or Hekker were heart attacks almost every kick.

      I agree with that, and that kicking has been bad, but watching other games the kickers in the NCAA are just terrible in general. There are several hundred college kickers per year and only a handful make the NFL. A good example is Oregon–they were a NC contender and have had BRUTAL kickers even under Chip. ‘Bama struggled with kickers recently, etc. It’s just really hard to find good kickers, and teams do not want to use scholarships on them.

      Also, college kickers have wider hash marks, which makes kicking more difficult:
      http://www.sportsknowhow.com/football/field-dimensions/ncaa-football-field-dimensions.html

      It shouldn’t be as hard to find a good punter.

  • Jack says:
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    The last return I remember was against USC in 2009(?). But I think recent success in punt coverage has more to do with Michael Morovick than it has to do with anything else.

    Kick coverage is spotty. There have been long returns even if not for scores. The opposition certainly seems to out-gain us in that regard on a weekly basis. And we seemingly don’t need a punt returner anymore. It’s just a game of me chanting to the TV, “Don’t drop the fair catch. Don’t drop the fair catch.”

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    Since very few teams have a coach assigned exclusively to Special Teams, I think Read deserves more scrutiny. Shouldn’t this extra focus lead to: 1) excellent results, and 2) some very creative play? e.g. onsides kicks at unexpected times, utilization of the punters who’ve had good arms for passes off of fake punts, etc.

    We know Riley won’t allow creative play so why pay for it? And are we really seeing “excellent” play?

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    OT: Eggers tweets, “AA degree papers for @OSUBeaversFB DT Kyle Peko are in. He’s taking 2 on-line classes. If he passes, he could be eligible for 9-27 SC game”

    • angry angry says:
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      In other news, Sasquatch is enrolling in October, and the Yeti should be cleared by June.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Is this a fucking joke?

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      yeah right. too stupid to pass an online English class. I’ll believe it when I see it. He’s had two years to get eligible. That tells you where the problem lies. Dumbass probably couldn’t pass a kidney stone.

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        Is this on him or the staff for not making sure how many credits and what classes to take?? Doesn’t sound like we are doing him any favors by getting him enrolled in the right classes?

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          Not sure how all this squares with the reports a few weeks back where all Peko needed was to complete the yoga and bowling classes. This is the first mention I’ve seen of online classes. Is the explanation that the yoga and bowling are the online classes??

          At any rate, I think a lot of this fiasco is on the academic advisors.

          • Jack says:
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            We were, in fact, told that he had two classes, yoga and bowling, in order to clear it all up. Now we hear he has two online classes to complete.

            If our coaches are honest, then the two classes he needs to complete are online yoga and online bowling.

            Believe!

  • krogercomplete says:
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    I just did a quick search of HC salaries.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/salaries/

    It appears Riley was the lowest paid HC in the Pac-12 last year. I did not search for assistant/coordinator salaries across the conference, so I can’t be sure about this, but I assume the Beavs’ staff is right near the bottom.

    Probably common for coordinators to be earning more than assistants no matter where you go, which would explain Banker and Garrett being higher than the assistants. I know Banker’s defenses have had up and down years, but assuming the staff in general is one of the lowest compensated in the conference, I think it is safe to say they are all underpaid. Not sure what the grousing is about, but my knowledge of coordinator pay at other schools is non-existent.

  • Hopefulaintaplan says:
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    I agree with BeavBlazer. Their salaries are inconsequential. The coach performance is everything to the fan. I have no ability to determine Garrett’s worth as a coach or his value comparison to Langsdorf.

    I think that Langsdorf was a good QB coach. We have a lot of guys that were no name talents that are still playing in the NFL as back-ups. That is good coaching. Langsdorf was terrible at play calling. Unfortunately we aren’t getting to see Garrett’s chops at play calling yet. I think that this year will be tough to make an assessment on Garrett as a hire since Mannion is working on finesse points to his game and the receivers are a work in progress with a lot of developmental talent. If next year we really excel at QB and offense in general, that would be Garrett’s work.

    OSU is working to improve athletics in general. Baseball is great, Basketball is heading in a direction I like, Football is the wait and see. I get the impression that expectations are being raised across the board. If we have a dismal performance in PAC 12 play, I would expect to see more stress put on BDC to make a coaching change. I think that Riley used up some of his street credit the previous two years losing to FCS opponents. I am just not sure who I would want at this point to come in, nor do I want to have to wait through a few years of growing pains to see if that coach is worth anything. Somehow we need to invigorate recruiting and get the talent to help OSU football become competitive every week.

    Some of you business minded individuals should come up with some marking ideas for OSU football. I like the idea of a saying, like what many SEC teams have. (LSU = WAR EAGLE, BAMA = ROLL TIDE, etc). I don’t know if we start yelling TIMBER at each other or what. It starts with grass roots and getting people to want to identify with their support for the team. Little things……

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      I’ve heard the common OSU phrases “What the fuck!?!!” and “Call timeout, timeout, TIMEOUT, FUCKING CALL TIMEOUT RILEY!!!” in the stands quite a bit.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        LOL. I think Jason is on to something with the timeout thang.

      • angry angry says:
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        Yeah those are good ones.
        How about any time someone scores on us, the fans chant “Can’t recruit to Corvallis”, and any time we score it’s a “Neat deal”.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        Hilarious

        I do like Hopefultaint’s idea of creating a grass roots identity. Currently, the only similar thing I ever hear is any time i wear Beavs gear in public, somebody walking by me will usually say “Go Beavs…” but it’s usually quiet and under their breath, like they’re embarrassed to be a fan.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        RUN THE FUCKING BALL!!!!

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    I remember this one. Don’t know if Read was coaching.
    Trojans Overcome Foggy Start Against Oregon State – USC …
    http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-footbl/…/110704aaa.html
    USC Trojans
    Nov 6, 2004 – Reggie Bush’s 65-yard punt return for a touchdown and LenDale White’s 5-yard scoring … Trojans Overcome Foggy Start Against Oregon State.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      I still swear that fucker stepped out of bounds on the punt return. Kind of like the block in the back on the punt return in the civil war that wasn’t called

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Link didn’t work for me, but Read was coaching. From the OSU site, “Bruce Read is in his third tenure as the special teams coordinator at Oregon State, with 2014 marking his sixth consecutive year in Beaver gear. His previous tenures included the 1997-98 and 2004-06 seasons.”

  • progressivebeav says:
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    So which is worse, beating a kid with a stick, or knocking a woman unconscious with a punch?

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    LMFAO!!!!!!

    • Jack says:
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      Maybe UT’s D scheme was just too difficult for them to understand?

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    “My issues with it are Banker and Garrett making 505k and 320k, respectively. Why is Banker worth half a million?”

    If we could make trades in CFB I would trade Banker for a bag of footballs

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      If we could make trades in CFB I would trade Banker for a bag of footballs

      I wouldn’t. A bag of footballs is like $500 now. Maybe a bag of Walmart composite balls.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    You guys are great! LMAO!!

    We suffer thru the Riley era but dont lose our sense of humor….

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    Ex-Texas Coach Mack Brown on College GameDay! Quick….someone forward Riley’s resume to them. JB

  • angry angry says:
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    I just saw this: http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings
    The Beavs got 6 votes?

  • angry angry says:
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    7-0 Cowboys over Oregon. They have executed flawlessly so far. Great execution is fun to watch, even if it’s a lower level team.

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      Bohl is an excellent coach.

      • angry angry says:
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        I don’t know much about him, but I was very impressed with the execution so I agree based on what I saw. 7-7 now. Oregon will run away soon.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Wyoming’s offensive game plan is actually pretty good and has been more effective than the score board shows.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Yep, 13-7. Marshall 6 carries for 80 yds with a 30 yd TD run.

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    Udub up 35 – 5 on Illini with 10 to go in the 2nd

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    USC is not a very good team. They don’t have David Shaw around to bail them out this week

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      20 yards rushing vs 400+ for BC. Too bad we can’t or won’t run it.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Slick Rick’s kid comes up huge for UCLA.

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      Yeah that was huge. What happened to the Gophs?
      Usc really gave 400 yds, it was fun to see Sark sulk. After last week I have a new found detest for him what a schmuck

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    as I type this the dodgers are up 2 touchdowns and a FG on the Vagiants heading to the 9th. Lol

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      must be some butt hurt vagiant fans round here. HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES!

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    and as bad as Wazzu looked in their first two games, they butt raped Portland St 59-21

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      It seems like that should be illegal

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Yep….let the Leach – Riley debate continue. Leach was up 28-0 at the half, while Riley was down 14-13.

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        You just violated one of the debate rules by applying the transitive property, therefore the debate is now closed.

        • angry angry says:
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          You’re being snarky, but the irony is that you’re right. The debate is closed in any logical or mathematical sense.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Beavs open at -8.5 vs SDSU. Line has moved to -10. Yikes. I’d lay money on SDSU covering

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT – man, the value of a mobile QB:

    OLive “Power Ranking” of Pac 12 has this note on USC:

    ” The Eagles piled up 452 rushing yards, led by quarterback Tyler Murphy’s 191 yards on 13 carries.”

    It’s incredible what having one more runner to worry about can do to a defense (ask Banker). I wouldn’t expect Woods/Ward to have huge, Quizz-like day against USC though, especially in LA. How USC’s head coach responds to the BC loss and uses the extra time is the x-factor in my opinion; they could come out to play or totally underperform under this guy… hope for the latter.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pac-12/index.ssf/2014/09/shakeup_behind_no_1_oregon_in_the_pac-12_power_ran.html

    I do think diversifying the run game even more could make it more challenging for USC late, but it sounds like we can’t expect that without an injury.

    OLive Q&A w/offensive coordinator Garret.

    “You said you could need three backs. Could Chris Brown break into the rotation at some point?

    “Chris always has to be ready. He’s got immense talent. He showed that last year. He showed in training camp that he can be a really effective runner (and we can) put him in the game. So he’s right there waiting in the wings. We can put him in if anything happens to the first two guys. And, also, some of the young guys, as well, are coming on. We really feel good about that position.”

    Brown’s OSU’s genuine, DI speed threat, and it’s too bad he doesn’t get at least several carries late in the game to exploit it.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/09/qa_with_offensive_coordinator.html

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    The Pac-12 is really making an effort to move teams away from that 7:30 time slot

    Beavers Football ?@OSUBeaversFB 13m

    The @Pac12 has announced that OSU’s game versus USC Sept. 27 will start at 7:30 p.m. PT & broadcast on ESPN. #gobeavs

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      but at least it’s on ESPN, and not the Pac-12 Oregon network where only locals will see it anyway

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Saw that incoming pitcher, Christian Martinek just had TJ surgery over the weekend.

    Also, my cousin has been getting alot of pub recently,, but just had to have TJ surgery as well. He just took his first official visit at UofO. Sounds like teams still want him, but this setback will cause him to miss his entire senior year. Really hope he ends up anywhere else…

    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2014/09/oregon_ducks_baseball_gets_tri.html

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