28.Oct.2014 Cal @ Oregon State

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I’m bearish on the Beavs, but Cal’s defense is just bad enough to make Mannion look good. The Beavs will be angry after last weekend and all the negative talk this week. Angry teams play well. Cal is probably feeling deflated after the Oregon game. Mopey teams don’t play well. I just think the psychology here plays in the Beav’s favor.

Then again, I could be reading it wrong. The Beavs have nothing to play for at this point and a coaching staff out of ideas, all of which are huge obstacles. Still, I think the team rallies within to mentally overcome the adversity and win this game–probably their last one.

38-35 Beavs, and the five remaining fans will celebrate.

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  • PdX says:
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    Hip Hip Horrific!

  • PoopyPantsRiley says:
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    Think the players will feel the subdued environs of a sparse Reser missing thousands who are sick of Riley’s weekly soiling of himself. The play is less than inspired like their coach instills from the top. Goff outplays HeisMannion and a late Riley blunder seals his 9th loss out of 10 in conference. Calls for Riley to be fired or retire will hit all time highs if he craps this game away so it is on him.

    Cal hangs 38 on OSU. Riley mistakes will have OSU struggling to get 27.

  • steveEbeaver says:
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    Susac gets a World Series AB and give one a ride but caught in deep CF. WSN should be happy about the outcome tonight though.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Royals in 7. eff the vagiants. Love Susac, all dodger fans hate SF

      • capitalcause says:
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        Giants hate the dodgers…enjoy your winter Loser…

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          enjoy your butthurt after the vagiants lose tonight

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          loser indeed. Congrats to the vagiants. Still no clue how they even got this far. Bumgarner is good. The rest of that rotation, meh. Bullpen strength as well. I got nothin tonight. Except another year of misery. and napkins……………….

          • capitalcause says:
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            Answer: 9,500

            Question: How many days ago did the Dodgturds win their last World Series game?

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            really. I had no idea.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Gina reports today that the Oline 1s and 2s struggled on long pass plays. Against the scout team defense.

    Is Cal’s 1st and 2nd string D better than OSU’s scout team D?

    I dunno. Cal has nothing to lose. Let it fly and challenge OSU to keep up.

    Hopefully Villamin shows more growth, Jarmon is Jarmon, Dockery gets reps, and Beavs run early, often, well, and don’t abandon it.

    • angry angry says:
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      Well that’s not good. I reserve the right to change my pick until gameday!

  • TP Beavs says:
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    Man o man, I hate this matchup for our defense. Don’t get me wrong, I think we can hold them for a while, but my concerns are with the offense being able to sustain drives. Both lines are beat up (for about the 8th year in a row it seems)

    Simply put, this season it seems most teams can blast through our line with minimal resistance. Cal has a really solid running back and mostly 3* and 4* kids in their two deep. Mannion has absolutely nobody to throw it to, and with our line who knows how much time he will get and how big of holes if any they can open for the run game.

    I see a long, shitty day ending with a thud somewhere in the neighborhood of 73-70 Cal in 2OT.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    And Beavs D keep the takeaways coming…

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    Angry, how bout the hottie quotient at the Stanford game?! Never thought of Palo Alto as the center of the hot babe universe but it gave Tempe a run for it’s money.

    • angry angry says:
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      Seriously. I had a boner from kickoff until halftime.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        THAT’s why you left; so you wouldn’t have to call a doctor.

      • homefry homefry says:
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        How many times how you heard the disclaimers and warnings for Cialis on TV now? CALL A DOCTOR FOR GOD’S SAKE!

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    I’m on the fence about this game. Honestly idk what to expect other than some fuck ups by our coaching staff. Neither team has anything to lose at this point. Cal can score a ton of points but they’re defense is hip hip horrific. OSU is good on D but the Offense is hip hip horrific. I see a close game. However, since the mighty road teams are having a better season than the home teams in the Pac this year I’m going with Cal 37-31. And the slide continues……………………….

  • cj cj says:
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    I don’t see the Beavs winning another game this season, unless they bench Mannion.

    They benched a bunch last game, just not the right one(s) – IMO.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      you honestly think del rio could lead the beavers to victory? Denial, not just a river in Egypt. Look, I’ve soured on Mannion as well, but he’s the best chance OSU has at qb

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        Could be right, but I’d like to see.

        I was high on Vaz too.

        What I’d really like to see is OSU, the entire university, get rid of the Nike Nutria. What a travesty and, I found out, it was selected by one lower-level gentleman in the Athletic Department.

        What more can I say?

    • mckalk says:
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      Not sure Mannion is going to get benched, but I was thinking he may be close to having a losing record as a starting QB (too lazy to figure out the Vaz games right now). That would be the first Beav QB since someone like Terrence Bryant if that does happen, right?

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Calibeaver,

    Lakers season goes from bad to worse opening night

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11783195/julius-randle-los-angeles-lakers-suffers-serious-right-leg-injury-opener

  • Outcast says:
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    Much to the dismay of the majority here, I have a feeling we’re going to win the next two games, putting us at the 6 win mark. Whether the Bears are good or bad at the time, Cal seems to bring out the best in Oregon State football for whatever reason, and I feel like the team is going to step up big this week in response to the wave of negativity from the Stanford debacle. The week after, I see an inferior Washington State team that is worse than last year and going to finish the year in free fall.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Oh those were the good ol’ Tedford days…Sonny cares not a bit about making Mike’s day.

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        Remember Cal #2 in the nation, #1 had just fallen, and at home against the Beavs: Couged it!

        I actually like a number of those Cal teams, usually a serious threat but couldn’t finish. Played some good D at times too. Tedford, like Riley, probably just stayed too long. Recruiting ethics were in question as well.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Remember Cal #2 in the nation, #1 had just fallen, and at home against the Beavs: Couged it!

        I actually liked a number of those Cal teams, usually a serious threat but couldn’t finish. Played some good D at times too. Tedford, like Riley, probably just stayed too long. Recruiting ethics were in question as well.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Shouldn’t we wait to see how many are in attendance before concluding that fans are bailing by the thousands?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Hey Jack, on a previous thread I asked to whom you might compare Del Rio (e.g. Moore)? Doesn’t have to be a Beav QB, just looking for some comparative thoughts. Sounds like you thought his stint at Stanford showed promise.

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      I’d compare him to Vaz. Del Rio has a good release and an ok arm. The fundamentals are there. I wouldn’t say Moore because he had much better arm strength.

      Del Rio is a coach’s kid like Mannion but can he improve year over year? Mannion really has only played up to the talent around him. Who ever the QB is next year should be looking forward to it due to the returning players at WR and oline.

      • Jack says:
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        Del Rio’s arm is much stronger than Moore’s. But his touch needs to be honed. He only has two speeds, and he needs about four or five different throws and a split second more patience in order to figure it all out. But his arm is live as hell compared to Mannion, who I think has one of the better arms in the conference right now.

        • Jack says:
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          This is his slow paced throw:
          http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11762871

          His fast pace is still a little wild.

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            Note also that it’s a quick slant. Why can he hit that play, but Mannion can’t? I realize it’s all different personnel. But the D were still playing the same scheme.

          • ObjCritic says:
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            Cool. Thanks for the assessment and link.

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          Why do you think Del Rio’s arm is stronger than Moore’s? Moore could really drive it downfield. Not quite at the velocity of DA but he threw hard.

          A few grainy highlights from ’06.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IobbdlBPIfg&list=UU04z_fr0xl5AxgdB1iZyeeA
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nobxCmpCG8Y&list=UU04z_fr0xl5AxgdB1iZyeeA

          I hadn’t watched this in a while but WOW, quite the difference to Mannion. Quick release and with some zip.

        • Timber! says:
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          twweeeeeeeet!!! Illegal procedure! Jack showing indications that he cares about football. 😉

          • Jack says:
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            I love football. That’s what makes it hard to watch and care what the Beavs do. It’s also what makes almost insufferable while flipping through the channels on any given Saturday.

        • angry angry says:
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          I agree. Del Rio has a better arm than Moore, but Moore’s SR year was amazing (after the first few games), and who knows if things could ever click in that way for Del Rio. I don’t know how smart or fiery a player he is. What is interesting is that people were willing to give up on him after 3 bad throws, yet they give Mannion a 4 year leash.

          • Bill says:
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            Hopefully he doesn’t endure Moore’s first season as starter when he threw 19 picks.

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            Del Rio was def whipping it across the field, and quickly too.
            Next year’s Michigan game may still be a blowout but give the kid a complete spring and fall camp and we’ll see what we have.

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            Have you seen Michigan lately? OSU and Michigan are a good match for each other these days. I think OSU would beat them handily today if they were to meet.

          • Jack says:
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            That’s the thing. Even that pass to Jarmon was a little off. And others he throws are wide of his target more than not. So you can see he’s still really raw. On the good side, he’s wide to the correct side. So he’s probably thinking too much about the “put it where only your receiver can catch it” type of throw. That’s great for the sideline patterns. But there is no space to either side over the middle.

  • Issaquahbeav says:
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    I think Beavs win this week and predicting our D to step up. Didn’t UW hold Cal to 7 points in Berkley? I don’t think UW D is any better.

    29-19 Beavs

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    The x-factor in this game? Jacob Wark? does Banker pick his brain to better understand Dykes’ playbook?

  • Retire Riley (Riley Sucks) says:
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    This game is a guaranteed L. Anyone who thinks different should go back and re-watch tape of Utah, USC, Stanford, PSU, Hawaii, and the first half of SDSU. The only reason to pick the Beavs is blind homerism.

    I’ll start a list of reasons the Beavs lose. Please add as you see fit. If you can come up with counters to this list that suggest a Beaver victory, list those also (but that would be futile).

    1. Goff > Mannion
    2. Cal Offensive Weapons are WAY better than OSU
    3. OSU offensive line has no continuity. Most recent predicted starting line-up:

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      Sent this in too fast. Cont’d:

      3. LT Harlow, LG Lauina, C Mitchell, RG Sapolu RT Weinreich. How many different lineups have we had this year?

      4. Cal runs some read option, Banker’s kryptonite. Read option should permanently be called Banker’s Kryptonite on this site.

      5. RILEY. Minus 7 pts for the Beavs just because our coach will make a clock management blunder or 4.

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        6. Special teams. Generally, OSU STs are mediocre to bad, across the board.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      you’re so dramatic

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Cal is averaging 41.5 pts per game. Their next 3 games will tell as they face the 3 of the better defenses in the Pac-12. OSU, Stanford and USC. They will beat BYU in the final game of the regular season. But they need to get one of these next 3 to be bowl eligible.

  • angry angry says:
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    This is hilarious.

    A Denver Broncos fan who disappeared during a game five days ago simply had “had his fill of football” and decided to take a walk to “somewhere warmer,” police said Wednesday.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/29/us/missing-denver-broncos-fan/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Christ if he were a Beaver fan he’d still be walking, headed to central Mexico at least…

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Lol! Probably got high as fuck at the game without even realizing it and went looking for a taco bell in a warmer climate. Dude made it halfway to New Mexico LMAO

  • homefry homefry says:
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    quite a bit that doesn’t add up…reminds of the time I wandered off after dimers at the Beaver Hut…or was that the Halloween Party we threw for the football team after they flew home from the Cal game that involved mushroom tea, or was it the time (a year later) when two starting lineman from Cal had free time after the game and we exchanged “gifts” at my house.

    I’m so “angry” that I can’t remember….

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    Hey Angry…you’ve likely seen thus already, but if not: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/the-worldwide-cheerleader-espn-and-the-college-football-playoff-20141028

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    Here’s a question for those of you who care about the football team and its progress:

    What do you WANT to happen Saturday?

    Are you rooting for a victory? In hopes that maybe the season can be “salvaged”?
    Or are you of the mind that the faster OSU tanks, the faster change comes?

    I know how it feels on both sides of the coin. I’ve had season tickets since 1999. I’ve made at least one road trip since 2009 every year. I went to the Emerald Bowl in 2007, the Sun Bowl in 2008, the Vegas Bowl in 2009. (Hawaii was too expensive). I’m THAT loyal. To the program. Not to their coach.

    I can’t bring myself to root against the Beavers. I know what marginal success would mean, and yet, I still can’t do it. I care too much about this team’s success in the immediate future.

    And yet, I completely agree with the thought process most of us here have: Riley is never going to get it done. He has proven time and time again he does not have what it takes to bring this program to an elite level.

    So what’s the answer? Go to the Cal game and root for the orange and black? Or root against it and hope against hope that maybe, just maybe, they’ll realize we’re fed up and 6-6 is not good enough.

    Everyone here is disgusted with the current state of the football program. There are 12 teams in the conference and only 1 seems to be getting worse every week. We all know which one.

    I want immediate and lasting success, and by success, I mean wins, top tier bowl games, and competing for spots in the Rose Bowl and the playoff every so often, and always being in the discussion.

    But I know Riley can’t give me any of that. He never has and never will.

    So I am faced with a dilemma as a loyal die-hard Beaver fan… do I want them to win this game? Or don’t I?

    What are you rooting for this weekend?

    • Outcast says:
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      Personally, I will always root for Oregon State to win its next game. Always. If that makes me part of the problem, so be it.

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      I’ve heard this question a bazillion times from almost every fan base. Here’s my take on the topic, you need to realize that who you “root” for during any given game has no bearing whatsoever on the outcome. Therefore, “root” for whoever you want because no one gives two shits.
      I mean yes, I want Riley to leave, so the more games he loses the quicker that will happen but does this mean I “root” for them to lose? The answer is who cares!? It’s the wrong question to ask! I doubt even the hardcore Riley haters would actually go to the games and literally cheer for the other team.
      The question you should ask yourself is should you keep supporting the team with your dollars. By continuing to spend money on a product tells us that you’re still satisfied with it to a correlative extent.
      I continue to spend money on the Beavers but it is to a much lesser extent when I am dissatisfied with their product. Football is just an entertainment option, if you’re not getting your money’s worth, try skipping a game and trying a new hobby that weekend. I suggest home brewing.
      See you at the game this Saturday, I’ll be drinking my own beer all day.

    • cj cj says:
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      I mentioned this the other day, I believe the Beavs tanked it when they let Erickson go to Utah. I sent a bunch of emails to those in the football hierarchy at that time – not a single response. I’m not saying bring him as head coach, but don’t you think as OC, or some advisory position would have been as good? Just to get his talents on our side… and his recruits.

      Can’t say that he’s the difference at Utah but he certainly hasn’t hurt them at all.

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        He got demoted at Utah. Was the OC, now the RBs coach.

        And if you want to get your way, pony up the cash.

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          Yes… pony up the cash.

          The very very worst part of college football is the solution. Being open and honest and imaginative isn’t enough. Hell, you can be a curmudgeon who gets his or her way if you JUST HAVE MONEY TO BURN.

          How about my school’s athletics gives me a reason to pony up the cash? Maybe a vision? Maybe a unifying goal? How about something other than a bunch of individual teams within an AD fighting for scraps while the supposed revenue sport who can’t PIHOIA year after year gets all the choice cuts without asking?

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Hell, you can be a curmudgeon who gets his or her way if you JUST HAVE MONEY TO BURN.

            I looked up Phil Knight’s name in the dictionary and that was the exact definition

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        I can’t see Riley and DE riding around Corvallis together on their Schwinns. Conjecture and specuation are fun, but Riley is not going to let an outsider into the family if he has any say. When Riley goes they all go because I really don’t think this is going to end on an upswing. And I don’t think anyone is going to go until a new AD is on board.

  • Jack says:
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    So let’s put it another way:

    When you know what Riley can do, is it still cheering “for” the team if you’re cheering for a team led by Riey?
    —-or—-
    Are you rooting against it?

    • Jack says:
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      That’s the dilemma that makes me just not care either way. I’m not over-joyed with a win, or even a great win at this point. If it’s good for the kids on the team, I’m happy for them. But when the downside outweighs the up going into each game, it’s hard to gather enough energy to pretend to be proud of the current program at my school.

  • Bill says:
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    “I want immediate and lasting success, and by success, I mean wins, top tier bowl games, and competing for spots in the Rose Bowl and the playoff every so often, and always being in the discussion.

    But I know Riley can’t give me any of that. He never has and never will.

    So I am faced with a dilemma as a loyal die-hard Beaver fan… do I want them to win this game? Or don’t I?”

    If you want change, you need to ante up the money. Right now, even with so much angst in Beaver Nation, there are no donors willing to step up and make a change unlike the SEC or BIG10. Realistically, donations would have to double for a coaching change to happen. Pay out the current staff (Around 3.8mil per year), pay the new staff at much higher salaries (probably around 6 mil per year) and for continuing facility upgrades.

    Wanting the team to lose to force a change is probably the worst way to go. That may work in the pros but in college it doesn’t get you the first pick. Takes even longer to build the program back up (See Colorado).

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    I’m going to root for the team to win, but I mostly want to see tough competitve performances. I consider the USC and Stanford games not competitive. That’s a distrubing trend. You get a couple more of them this year and down prospects for next season, the coaching situation will change without me having to “root” for losses.

  • G Joubert says:
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    If the beavs lose, should Riley survive the season? Would BCD fire him?

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      He won’t get fired.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        You’re talking about a guy who has lost to fcs teams twice and had a 3 win season in recent years. Another belly flop isn’t going to change anything.

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        Losing season this year and next, I would guess he will retire, especially if there’s a new AD.

        • Jack says:
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          Neither will happen, and we’ll all be called trolls for scratching our heads out loud.

    • cj cj says:
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      How will continued losing of Pac-12 games factor in? Riley’s recent record is not very good.

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    I’d like to see a win later this season vs WSU, otherwise were the cellar of the Pac12. We can’t let Riley get another extension, so this is a must lose game leaving one more win vs the cougs.

    No, i don’t hate our beavs, I just want to attend a Pac12 Championship game one day before i die, and i don’t see that happening under the leadership of Riley and crew.

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    This just in from twitter handle @GoldenBlogs via the ESPN Pac 12 feed:

    Kenny Lawler, Trevor Davis, Brennan Scarlett, Avery Sebastian out for Cal
    sbnation.com/e/6899882

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    Phil Steele’s projection was released:

    Homecoming. OSU has dominated this series winning 12 of the L/15 meetings.
    While neither of these tms are in contention in the P12, both are nearing bowl
    eligibility & this gm is crucial in that regard. Both tms have struggled recently as
    Cal has dropped 3 str while the Beavers have dropped 3 of 4. OSU’s offense has
    been scuffling but on the other side of the ball the Golden Bears counter with my
    #112 pass eff D & #49 rush D. After throwing for over 4,500 yds LY, QB Mannion
    is avg less than 250 ypg TY, but faces a Cal D that is all’g 500 (YES 500!!) pass
    ypg on the road. If Mannion doesn’t respond with a solid outing here, chances
    are he won’t. Look for this to go down to the wire with OSU pulling out the win.

    OREGON STATE 38, CALIFORNIA 35

    POSITION BY POSITION BREAKDOWN:

    California QB/WR’s vs Oregon State DB’s: CAL +0.83
    California RB’s vs Oregon State LB’s: ORST +0.55
    California OL vs Oregon State DL: CAL +0.44

    California DL vs Oregon State OL: CAL +0.74
    California LB’s vs Oregon State RB’s: CAL +0.65
    California DB’s vs Oregon State QB/WR’s: ORST +1.35

    Special Teams: CAL +1.44
    Kicker: ORST +0.93
    Coaches: ORST +1.60

    TOTAL: ORST +0.33

    PROJECTED BOX SCORE CAL ORST
    Projected Rushing 87 118
    Projected Passing 314 371
    Projected Yardage Total 402 490
    Projected Final Score-PC 35 36
    Experience Rankings 36 51
    Team Schedule Strength 19 26

  • cj cj says:
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    IF – the Beavers can sustain offensive drives and keep Cal’s offense on the sidelines, we have a chance. The receivers really need to step up their game(s) to offset Mannion’s one dimensional game.

    Rushing game needs to return…big. Can the 2nd/3rd string linemen (everyone else is injured, remember) open holes in the Cal defense?

    Big questions…

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    Aunt Patty just called and said she’s jealous of the Beavs getting to go down to Berkley and spend the weekend with dykes.
    WSU has Sark heading to Pullman, and the Cougs are poised for the upset this weekend.

  • Jack says:
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    It’s Berkeley. And the game is in Corvallis.

    While I’d love to see Wazzu beat the USCheapshots, it ain’t gonna happen.

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    Don’t think you folks expecting an empty Reser will get it, at last report, 43,000 tickets had been sold for tomorrow. I’m not sure how I feel about that, even though I’m one of hem. We’re either fiercely loyal or insane masochists. You pick.

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