30.Jan.2015 Recruiting Mission Players

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Curious to hear others’ thoughts on this.

Personally, I think a small number (say 2 guys who are high end prospects) is fine during a normal recruiting cycle. But more than that, and the coach begins to really complicate the recruiting chart. According to my research, 20% of mission recruits never play. The other 80% return to football in various forms (from better health to the more common out of shape). Then some lose interest in the game while away.

I posted these links in the last thread:

http://byu.scout.com/story/386324-the-myth-of-the-byu-missionary-advantage

Bronco realizes if they leave right away there is a much lower chance they ever play. Now wants them to delay mission. Smart.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/1873065-155/byu-football-bronco-wants-prospective-missionaries

That is probably a smart tactic to get them 1 year in the program.

I’m worried Gary Andersen is relying too much on Utah. I feel like he’s doing it this cycle because he came in late, so he’s learning on what he knows. Fine. But I hope this trend doesn’t continue. 3 Mission players max. We can’t turn OSU into BYU (Bronce is going mad managing players and scholarships, plus it curbs fan excitement waiting two years to see a guy’s potential; a guy who might never play at all). I’d say cap mission players at 3 max after this cycle.

This isn’t a jab at Mormons, btw. It’s the reality that OSU is running a football program first and foremost. Recruiting is hard enough, and missions just complicate it, and also curb fan enthusiasm.

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  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    When I lived in the Beehive State there were always a couple of kids at Utah and BYU that were literally in program off and on for 7 even 8 years with a redshirt or medical exception. That’s a freakin’ pro football career!

  • youngorst says:
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    While I get the risk of them never playing I disagree with getting them there for a year then sending them off. I think its better to treat them like 2 year grey shirts so you can use a redshirt year when they return to get them back in football shape.

    I don’t know if a hard limit makes sense, I think you have to look at each case on its own. It’d be foolish to get 10 a year but if 5 really solid Mormon kids are out there and interested I don’t think you sign 3 and tell the others to go away.

    Its a tough position for a program but with a systematic approach I think you can turn it into an advantage.

  • helmsley says:
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    Jesse Sims – Montana kid – a Riley commit that everyone seemed excited about – uncommitted when Riley left – is apparently only considering Montana schools now. Anyone know if Andersen & Co tried or weren’t interested?

    http://www.northwestprepreport.com/jesse-sims-lands-osu-offer/

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    I didn’t see this addressed in the article, does anybody here know? Can a kid go on a mission, then transfer to ANY other program when they return? Or can they only transfer to programs that had originally recruited them? Just wondering if other teams are even allowed to contact them when they return from the mission.

  • Jack says:
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    So sign one Juco for every kid who wants to go on a mission. When the Juco graduates, the kid comes back… or not.

  • mb says:
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    Angry, you are on to something here and have drilled down to the issue where others are talking stars and other gobbledy gook. Good work to stimulate specific issue discussion. I would hope that the recruitment world is not limited to the South Pacific, Salt Lake City and South Florida. I would add one thing to your list. In a time or era when the 10 second tweet about commitment can change 3 times in 3 days, publicity about 2016 and 2017 offers is pure bs smokescreen. “Racking up offers” and “First Pac -12 Offer” publicity for guys two years out is nonsense. These bursts of communication can be deleted in the future as though they never existed in the first place.

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    I’m not going to get too worked up about an abbreviated recruiting class, we are only playing guessing games here until we get an up close look at how GA and staff work with what they have now and what is coming in.

    If in five years, GA’s teams are not part of any North Division championship conversations then we can bitch and really Riley wasn’t going to be close either, so it’s not like anything the fan base had was lost. I’m content to watch things develop over the next few years.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Who would want to come play for Oregon State: Semper Fidelis All-American Christian Folau – “I know that football is going to be a great aspect of Oregon State, but I’m more looking forward to the academics and the environment of the college town that Oregon State has to offer.”
    – Corvallis, cow town? Try OSU College Town – Go Beavs!

    • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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      Wonder if the chick fapping in the library helps or hurts recruiting? Would be an interesting place to study, but you might want to bring some clorox wipes to clean off your desk before using it.

      • scotty says:
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        guy fapping = hurts
        gal fapping = helps

        …probably.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          I just learned a new word.

          • Jack says:
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            I’m not sure if I have or not… ?

          • scotty says:
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            You didn’t know what “probably” means? It’s okay, Jack. We all go at our own speed 😉

          • FatDog says:
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            I think the library fapping indicates OSU women students feel safe here.
            Not the case at UO.
            I consider it another area of OSU excellence.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    Mama saw Angry’s mission thread and decided to start her own

    https://oregonstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1248&tid=178609696&mid=178609696&sid=1051&style=2

    • angry angry says:
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      Wow. Is there a time stamp? Was that after mine? That’s sad.

      • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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        They also used to have a small twitter feed off to the side that was hardly noticeable, but last night upgraded to a massive feed on the main page: front and center.

    • scotty says:
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      That cheesy weasel!!!!!

  • Jack says:
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    They walk up and down the street in their black suits and white shirts and skinny ties. So I ask them one day why they keep walking up and down the street.

  • Bill says:
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    For a program like OSU it’s a major risk to recruit LDS kids. BYU can do it because the likelihood of them returning to BYU is high.

    If OSU get’s the guy in for one year, and then he leaves for a mission and doesn’t come back, that’s one year of development that could of been spent on a guy who will stay. The upside is that you’ll have a 24-25 year old senior. And they tend to stay out of trouble. But I am not sure how one could improve the chances of the guy coming back.

    So I agree that limiting the number of LDS guys is the way to go. Especially for a non LDS school.

    Another concern is how the new 4 year scholarship offers factor into this.

  • angry angry says:
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    I can’t read the thread, but I just saw this:

    “Angie…Lovin the Twitter section on the front page”

    Lolololol

    • scotty says:
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      angry, the trendsetting beaver

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      if’s funny, at one point i posted something from twitter on their forum and a couple guys were bitching about how we shouldnt be putting these kids conversations in the forum. they said anything of interest will be found by mama and she would put it in the forum for them. now twitter takes over their front page.

      • angry angry says:
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        That paywall is getting shakier by the day.
        We got Riley out, now our little twitter feed is a threat to Rivals. Year of the ABer.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    The mission thing is a little tricky. It’s like they count against you twice. You sign them now and they count against your class, however once they go onto their mission they have to be recruited again and then they count against that years class as well. So, I would think the one year delay of the mission might keep them in the program longer, because they are already admitted? Are program has the same ability to go and sign other players coming off their own missions who may have signed initially to Utah St or Utah (maybe we should look at those recruits in the last two years who have done that?).

    I like the fact that this staff is identifying S. Fla, TX, and Utah as areas to recruit. We have never done well in Fla or UT and their is excellent talent there. Texas could even improve. I think that is a strong recruiting tactic.

    This staff have little over 4 weeks to get a class together, so it makes sense they would lean on the areas that they have established already. The new staff will have to make new relationships with OR, WA, and CA high schools coaches to develop those pipelines. Something that can’t be done when you are up against a deadline, when trying to create those relationships.

    I believe this staff will be able to recruit using this model. We have to be a little patient with this process.

    • angry angry says:
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      Agree. Luckily Riley left some good talent and it’s young, so that gives GA time to whiff on one class. Otherwise OSU would be in real trouble. I’m not sure why GA wants so many CBs (defend the option I guess?). Seems like OL is a real position of need after next year.

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        The other thing to be noted is that the staff is also currently working on the 2016 class, which they should be, so that will take away from the recruits from this years class.

        These 4 and 5 and even 3star recruits are being recruited one to two years out before they will even sign a NLI. So it’s would be hard to expect a new staff to come into a kid’s house that has narrowed his school list from 20 schools down to 5 after 12 months or more, to be able to get in there and make a difference. Look at Harbaugh with Michigan, sure they may get in a house or two of high profile recruit, but it’s still a tough sell this late in the game, when they have never met you or the entire staff.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      What do you think about the theory that a 3* from Fla is likely equal to a 5* from other states which don’t have the overall talent of Fla?
      This was advanced by Parker’s sidekick (and, maybe, Tim Euhus???) on JoeBeav today.

      While probably overstated, it seems to me that there is likely some truth here. Just another reason to be skeptical of star rankings?

      • Jack says:
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        Ummm… no.

        If anything, the players from the south are overrated because the star system is so hype-driven down there. Texas would be a little closer to that possible idea, but it’s also over-hyped. SoCal might be that way since they seem to be recruited by everyone under the sun, go to every conference and play well there, yet they get so little love from the recruiting sites compared to the other regions.

        http://blog.modeanalytics.com/where-football-players-call-home/

      • angry angry says:
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        Yeah I don’t agree with that theory, but I do think Irvine is a good looking CB and Thomas a solid looking RB. I think they’re rated about right. I’d probably bump Irvine to high 3 star if not 4. He started as a 2 on rivals. Crazy.

        What can bump a guy from 2-star to 4 or 5 star production is the system, though. E.g. Mariota is a good example. Seth Collins looks like a 2-star QB to me (right now), but maybe in the right system + elite coaching he’s higher.

        There is a lot to recruiting and success/failure and it’s definitely not as simple as 2-star in FL = 5 star in Oregon.

        Also, we all have to recalibrate this year since these guys will not be playing in a pro system. Remember the playbook will be dumbed down for the QBs, too, so we don’t have to wait until JR year for production.

  • angry angry says:
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    Is anyone excited over DeCoud? Big hitter, but can he cover? Maybe he’s a good safety prospect. But there’s a lot of (self created) hype over this guy.

    • Bill says:
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      Maybe they are going for smaller linebackers. Guys who can get to the edge faster since a lot of RB’s are the shifty type now. Lot less power backs out there.

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        Probably a lot of 5 db sets against spread teams with three safeties.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    It looks like this years class will be a bit of a downer. The thing that would have changed the perception of this would have been if GA could have flipped the QB from Utah that stayed and enrolled at Wisconsin. Seemed like a perfect fit for the O system they want to run. That event seemed to take the wind out of the sails for this years recruiting cycle. For my own selfish reasons I was hoping he would bring several recruits with him like little Mikey did to Lincoln.

    It will be interesting to see how this staff recruits as far as size and body type per position and who becomes they guy on the staff who has the fine eye for potential when evaluating kids.
    The DB coach here at Minnesota has proven to be a fantastic coach, but an even better talent scout. So I trust that if he wants a kid, he will be a very good player no matter what the recruiting sites say.
    They also want tall O Line prospects. The shortest kid they have signed is 6’5″ and this years O line class are all 6″6″or taller. With the Poly connections I expect to have some gigantic DT’s coming in from GA’s staff. Hopefully they can get back in play for good CA kids. The last couple years MR seemed to be turning over rocks in far flung states to get his classes filled. That was a really bad indicator for a coach with such a long tenure.

    • angry angry says:
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      Getting Noah to play TE and hoops would be huge, too. But I am not sure; he might be a mission guy, too.

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    I like decoud. Looks like he has the ability to go up and get the ball and is tall.

    • angry angry says:
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      Yeah but he’s calling a press conference for himself and narrowing it to 5 schools…it’s a lot of self-hype for a guy with a mediocre offer sheet. He looks like a hard-hitting Afalava type. I’d project him at safety more than a CB. I think he has some skills, just dislike the self hype

  • CraigBeav says:
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    Happy steak and blowjob day everybody (official name for the Friday before the Superbowl in the CraigBeav household)! Be sure to enjoy four or five traditional, festive Canadian whiskey + 7ups.

    Best wishes to all, and may you all make it through to S&BJ Day 2016!

    Edit: This is the playlist for S&BJ Day. http://tasteofcountry.com/best-drinking-songs/

    • scotty says:
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      Boy do I feel sorry for your dog, but hopefully he at least enjoys the steak 😉

      • CraigBeav says:
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        Oh man, he loved the scraps. Though you can see it on his face that steak tastes kind of weird with peanut butter.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          Why does a steak knife and a blowjob sound like a bad idea?

          • Jack says:
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            Maybe he’s talking about a tube steak and the knife is a double entendre?

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      Right… more like a bag of Cheetos and and some porn. Watch out those Cheetos will stain things orange if you aren’t careful. JB

  • whatever says:
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    That article you linked to is old, the a couple years ago, the mormon church changed the age of service to 18 instead of 19, so the option of ‘keeping them for a year’ is not happening. They either go at 18 or they don’t go at all.

    As for capping it at some arbitrary number like 3, I don’t see the point. Get 25 mormon kids committed if they’re the best 25 players we can get. Some percentage will re-commit and then we fill in the blanks with other guys in 2 years. I don’t see the problem with that. They don’t count against the 25 per class until they finish their mission.

    The real issue is that Andersen, Sitake and Tuiaki need to stick around for at least 2 years to reap the benefits of their connections.

  • angry angry says:
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    Stop posting about the Arizona game in this thread. There’s a thread below for it. All the comments will be deleted from here.

    • CraigBeav says:
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      Oh wow, you actually did it. Way to go Mama Machado Angry. Still love ya though.

      • angry angry says:
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        Lol.

        There’s no reason to be posting about basketball in a thread about missions, when there is a thread about basketball right below here. That is ridiculous.

        This mission thing is a concern for me. I want to keep this somewhat on point.

        • CraigBeav says:
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          Meh, argle bargle, I dissent.

          • angry angry says:
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            Noted.

          • Numbers says:
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            Boo the deletions. Craig was right-on. When you put the missions above the game, that’s where the game comments will end up. We’ve always moved the conversations to the top and rarely your follow directions at game times.

          • angry angry says:
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            That’s fine when I forget to make a game thread, but it makes zero sense when there’s a game thread. Have high standards. Post in the right place when there’s a game thread up. I’ll restore them and then move them to the game thread if that makes you all happier.

          • Numbers says:
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            Yeah, there wasn’t any game comments in the game thread early on. I did check there first at the time 🙂 I wanted to post/read where the action was.

          • angry angry says:
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            Maybe you should have started the party instead of being a follower? 😉

            Since you’re all whining, I restored the comments and moved them to the game thread. Let’s have high IQs when it comes to posting. If there’s no thread dedicated to what you want to talk about, by all means post in the top thread. If there is a topic dedicated to the topic or event, then go post there.

          • Numbers says:
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            So true, I was totally a follower. Except I don’t know jack shit about basketball. Everything looks like fouls, travel and double dribbles to me. I’ve actually taken to actively avoid looking at the ball while watching the game, it makes basketball much more watchable for me.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            me too. I was following everyone else. Baaa baaaa. Apologies Angry. But one suggestion. I understand life/time intervenes sometimes but can we start the game threads on gamedays and not before?

          • cj cj says:
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            IMO there are too many threads on AB…never know which one is the most recent. Is there a way to tell other than looking at each one individually?

          • angry angry says:
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            The most recent is the one on top with the most recent date. This should be obvious. Get your head out of your ass and into the fresh air, buddy!

          • angry angry says:
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            I smell a mutiny. Arrggh.

          • cj cj says:
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            angry, you’re just not very nice lately….now that MR is gone and nothing to rant about you turn on the AB users and miss their subtleties. I thought you were better than that.

          • angry angry says:
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            Oooh new false narrative.

          • cj cj says:
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            I made a comment regarding too many “threads”, I really meant “categories” but used the wrong term, and if you had read all the way to the bottom (at that time) I suggested another “thread” for the library, but I really meant another “category” for the library trying to have some subtle humor, i.e., too many threads, then asking for one more….never mind.

            Let the mutiny begin! 😉

          • Numbers says:
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            Hooray, free speech lives on!!!!
            We all appreciate the desire for organization. Gotta nip us in the bud early on though, before we get too out of hand.
            Also, I apologize for CraigBeav

          • angry angry says:
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            It was never a free speech issue it was organization.

          • CraigBeav says:
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            Hahahahaha, got me.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      I would prefer to see “game day” threads pure and just pertain to the sport at hand. The Arizona game thread is a mixed bag of basketball and football recruiting.

      • angry angry says:
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        Agree. That’s how it’s usually done. I put it up a day early and that’s what caused it. Lesson learned.
        I’m not even sure why I did that…I was doing some music stuff so probably just wanted the AB obligation out of the way, but I should have made a general thread and then used the scheduler (schedule future posts) for the basketball game.

        • mckalk mckalk says:
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          It’s not easy to organize, recruiting is a really hot topic this year with all of the “newness”. You almost need a daily or every couple of days “Recruiting” thread with the date in bold or something until it’s over and maybe a general thread for each week for random topics like WBB, Porn in the library, Riley’s idiocy, etc.

          • angry angry says:
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            Exactly.

          • GOBeavers GOBeavers says:
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            People stopped using it, but this would be a perfect use for the FORUM. Just have a “recruiting discussion” thread. Special topics can still be posts here with relevant discussion. But general recruiting discussion/general news would be fine in a thread. Oh well.

            It’s hard to force people to use features if it isn’t happening organically. People will have problems finding it and registering to comment etc. I realize a lot of people here might be older and less tech savvy… No offense intended, old Beavs are still Beavs! 😛

  • Numbers says:
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    This missions thing is really hit and miss with recruiting. And I have to withhold my anti-religion bias, as I think there is a lot of directional group think involved, which makes the level of football commitment of a particular recruit’s peer group a very important consideration. But, I don’t see the mission’s being blanketed as bad (except for the world). I rather as see it money in the bank, or more accurately like money in some type of market fund. There could be a big drop or increase in value, but the big key is that it doesn’t hurt to make this speculation. I don’t see it as affecting the way the roster is handled in any different fashion. And coach Andersen’s LDS background should provide him with experience of how mission players are handled properly vs poorly. I stand by ready to judge him thoroughly, but that judgement is pending due process.

    • angry angry says:
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      Andersen is on record saying he’s not Mormon.

    • Numbers says:
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      I was once an athlete at Utah State. Being a part of that program gives you a defaulted LDS background.

    • Jack says:
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      Yeah… I just don’t feel like going down this tecnicolor lie of a rabbit hole. Religions are all just a bummer right now. And that’s even with Pope Frank doing a little bit of good.

      That must have shocked the Cardinals a little. He’ll comply eventually.

      Money cults religion are ruled by con-artists psychos benevolent men people.

  • Jack says:
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    So… did anyone catch the game?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT but Mullaney, Seumalo, and Tago all reportedly participated in Thursday morning workouts. Good to hear. Clute there too.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      The bad news is Mullaney injured himself in the workout LOL.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    anybody know if Ivan King is visiting this weekend? Juco DB. cant tell if he’s a 2016 guy or if he’s available this year

    ? KING ? (@IvanKing_DB) tweeted at 11:44 PM on Fri, Jan 30, 2015:
    Oregon State is beautiful.
    (https://twitter.com/IvanKing_DB/status/561429822413344768?s=03)

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    The mission thing only seems worthwhile if you are going after high ceiling players.

  • cj cj says:
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    We should have a thread for the library.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      Sure, great facility, with pleasant aesthetics. The end.

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        “Pleasant aesthetics”? Damn, that’s one of the best euphemisms I’ve ever heard for a porn video! I will try that one on my wife next time I forgot to clear my history again!

  • Quatre Quatre says:
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    WBB vs USC starting in 15 minutes.

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