22.Aug.2015 General Thread

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Sorry dudes, I’ve had company.

General thread until I can catch up in a few days. I did catch the news that MM and Collins both will play. Seems smart, honestly, since they can both make the team better. I see MM getting most of the snaps and Collins coming in on run/pass downs to utilize his wheels.  This is actually ideal, so props to Andersen for having the guts to go with two.

More to come tomorrow or Monday.

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  • angry angry says:
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    Any news how serious the Jarmon injury is?

  • some guy says:
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    Jarmon sporting a ice bag on his knee and a crutch.— Brian Rathbone (@brathbone3) August 22, 2015

    Jarmon has been seated since injury but is in good spirits, chiding Villamin for not scoring on that long catch and run.— Danny Moran (@DannyJMoran) August 22, 2015

    It’s something

  • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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    Jarmon hurt his knee?

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      The crutch was hurt and he was using his knee to help out said crutch.

      • Jack says:
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        That would explain why he put an ice bag on his knee and a crutch.

  • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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    http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30800&ATCLID=210285511

    Here is a recap

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Once again the stats given do not reflect every down played.

    • Corliss says:
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      Caleb smith, nall, and Ortiz did not catch any balls. Vanderveen caught four in scrimmage. ???

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Smith had ten false starts……………he is ready to go.

      • some guy says:
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        Smith did have a touchdown during the red zone session. Stats weren’t kept the entire time.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Andersen post scrimmage vid from blitz

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gF9k1Ze5lps

    • wannabeav says:
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      I find myself consistently drawn to the ostensibly little things that I believe will yield big dividends downstream; for example, in this clip, a reporter is struck by the fact that the team sang the fight song after the scrimmage as a thank you to the fans. I’ve noticed through the years that when teams come into Reser and after beating the Beavs those teams (especially Sac State and E. WA)
      rushed to their fans end zone and sang the fight song, etc. I can’t ever recall the Beavs doing that AT HOME, even under Erickson, though at Cal a couple of times a few, maybe even a lot of the players, would come to the visiting fans end zone section to hear the band playing but there was no singing. This new tradition that Andersen wants to build will go over very well, in my opinion, and is long overdue. And, yes, it’s a nice replacement for hip hip hooray in the locker room.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        I am amazed they have not been doing it previously.

      • GoBeavs92 says:
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        The little things become huge when it comes to the outcomes of games. I like GA’s comments about not putting up with penalties and I’m sure he’ll follow through and the players who commit those we’ll hopefully be taken out of the game. It’s called accountability! Something that Riley and his staff had none of when it came to action.

        I totally trust this staff and think that they will get the best guys on the field while getting all of their best efforts. It does kinda suck that we never get to see the first team vs the first team. This has been happening since Spring. I have to believe that during the closed practices, starting O is getting reps versus the starting D. Can’t believe we’re down to under a couple weeks left till the season. I think we will be kind of a ‘Jeckyl and Hyde’ type team but it will have some very exciting moments for sure. Most important, we will be competitive! That’s a good start.

        Go Beavs!

  • New Era OSU says:
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    If I am guessing today, I think Collins will take 56% of the snaps this year, followed by MM at 38-39% and Mitchell will get 5-6%. Collins having a few nice runs vs Weber St will win him a little momentum with fans IMO. Baldwin is hinting they may even alternate possessions with them, especially vs Weber St. So whoever sustains drives will get the early lead in snaps. I think a two QB system also makes sense in the Beavers exact situation this year but I think one guy will start to get a heavier load after seeing what they do in the first 3 games.

    Alternating can sometimes make you make the most of your opportunity and also be well rested and even may work for camaraderie, but sometimes keeping with a guy building up confidence and some momentum also can obviously have advantages. Will be interesting to see how this balance in using 2 QBs plays itself out this year.

    Hopefully MM playing an intelligent enough style without forcing too many risky throws will help Collins become a better general who plays to keep his team driving without doing the opposition any favors. Game management will be learned as they go but I see Collins scrambling being helpful to keep the defense guessing and as we get further into Pac-12 play Seth getting more consecutive drive opportunities depending also on how long the defense has been on the field. Can’t wait to see it all start vs Weber St. Be loud and start the Andersen Era off with some Juice!

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Or can it make you predictable?

      MM is in there so expect a more conservative approach, back off the line of scrimmage and play the screens. SC is in there get to the line keep containment.

      • some guy says:
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        If I was a defensive coordinator I would just mush-rush Collins whenever he is in, I would make him throw the ball.

        • some guy says:
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          if he came in on passing downs.

        • Numbers says:
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          It would be fun to watch our recievers turn simple short passing into huge gains vs your d. Collins will never be a pocket qb, but he has capable recievers and he will be able to get the ball to them.

          • some guy says:
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            That’s how little faith I have in Seth being able to move the ball through the air with seven defenders dropping into coverage.

          • New Era OSU says:
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            If they do that then he has a good shot to run for a first down. In the Spring Game he made some pretty good throws and looked solid all in all. He is plenty capable of throwing strikes within 15 yards. This offense doesn’t need that many 20+ yard heroics.

          • angry angry says:
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            I probably should have read this comment before responding.

          • angry angry says:
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            He’s probably just run it if they drop everyone into coverage. If they blitz everyone he can toss a screen. I mean he can’t throw well, but being able to toss a screen and run are all he needs to eat up yardage. Opposite D would probably be better off just playing man coverage vs him and letting him throw INTs. He will throw a ton if he tries to go longer than 10-15 yard range. But GA knows all this, and he’ll probably just ask him to run or throw screens.

        • Jim says:
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          I have never understood why the D end doesn’t just always take the QB. The rest of the D would know what to expect, and you would get a free opportunity to hit the QB.

          • GoBeavs92 says:
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            Defending any option is all about assignment football. This means that everyone on D has someone they are assigned to in the running game. The assignments change with different coverages and calls. If the DE’s assignment is QB then he should blow up the QB every time but if he has the ‘pitch man’ or Ball carrier there’s a reason. So he’ll play flat down the Los to the BC, leaving the QB to whoever he is assigned to. It is really a simple thing ‘do your job’. But as we always see, guys start free lancing or they forget/don’t know their assignment. That leads to trouble on D.

            Go Beavs!

    • helmsley says:
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      And SING! If you are there or even watching/listening remotely (remotely watching?) My favorite thing about British soccer matches – everybody singing.

      Very cool GA. “We’re gonna sing at home and away, if we win or if we lose.” (quote not exact). Brought in the the band director? Gotta love it.

      And, re: the 2 qbs, “the worst (emphasis) thing is to pull someone right after a mistake.”

      • helmsley says:
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        “Be loud and start the Andersen Era off with some Juice!” SING – was in response to New Era OSU.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Gina’s news and notes from the scrimmage

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/08/oregon_state_beavers_fall_camp_26.html#incart_river

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Slow starts (3 and out) Against good teams could lead to being down early
    QB inconsistency
    Team inconsistency (penalities, mistakes)
    Quality of OL (difference in OL play when Seumalo is in vs out)
    RB injuries and depth (Cook’s injury seems to have had a big impact on depth)
    LB depth or lack of talent or?
    “…The Beavers continue to work almost exclusively with a three-man front, but they’re also now almost exclusively working with five defensive backs. Of course, that can be dictated by how many receivers the offense uses. But it’s safe to say Devin Chappell is probably going to get a lot of work this season. …”

    3-3-5 means the CBs are sometimes going to have to fill the LB roll which means they’ll be taking a beating.

    I’m now beginning to think of Tanner Sanders’ leaving the team with disapproval. What ever happened to “I’ll play where ever they need me”?

    It could be a very long year.

    • Craig Carline Craig Carline says:
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      You really think it is going to be worse than when Riley was at the helm? Doubt it, but keep bitchin’

      • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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        We lost 12 of the last 14 Pac games, how can a year be any longer?

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          I’d guess it would be dependent on expectations Tlingit. When I see expectations of 7-8 wins I see the possibility of folks being sorely disappointed so I’m thinking of it as a reality check.

          Andersen needs time to bring in his kind of players and until then I’m not going to get my hopes too high.

          Thank god Riley and crew have left.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        Good one Craig, good one. LOL

    • GoBeavs92 says:
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      Mud

      I think it’s been a forgone conclusion that this year won’t be a stellar year in terms of record. There’s still a possibility (with quick maturation) that we go bowling but…. I think the most important thing is that we’ll be competitive again! It should be fun in that sense.

      Go Beavs!

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    My family joined me at yesterday’s scrimmage, which prevented me from taking notes. But here are a few general impressions and thoughts.

    1. There are going to be too many times (esp. early in the season) where Beaver receivers beat their defenders badly and are wide open downfield, but Collins overthrows them. Collins seems to get overexcited when he spies a wide-open receiver. This happened at least twice yesterday. One time, Bolden ran a hitch-and-go down the left sideline, and was at least 5 yards behind the nearest defender. Collins threw the ball way too far, and Bolden couldn’t get it. Another time, Caleb Smith was wide open in the end zone. Collins (standing at around the 20 yard line) sailed the pass at least 5 feet over Smith’s head. On each occasion, Andersen looked at the ground and just shook his head back and forth.

    2. The flip side of comment #1 above is that Beaver defensive backs are too often losing contact, and leaving receivers wide open downfield, or over the middle. Part of it seems to be confusion by the defense on crossing patterns (where defenders don’t yet seem to understand their assignments). Part of it seems to be inexperience (e.g., biting on an obvious hitch-and-go pattern by Bolden, and getting beaten deep — even though that particular play ended with an overthrow by Collins). In any event, we can expect to see too many wide open opponent receivers downfield, esp. early in the season.

    3. McMaryion is going to make some bad reads and hasty decisions that lead to interceptions. Yesterday, there was one time that McMaryion rolled left, and then turned to throw a screen pass back to the right side. McMaryion turned and threw the pass without checking to see whether the receiver was open. In fact, there were multiple defenders waiting, and the pass should have been intercepted. Another time, McMaryion misread the coverage on a crossing pattern, and threw into double coverage — the ball was batted away, but could have been intercepted, and should never have been thrown.

    4. Isaac Seumalo played quite a bit, and looked good. It’s probably not a coincidence that the first string O-line was opening some big holes.

    5. Despite all the penalties, bad passes, drops (including a really bad drop at the goal line by Caleb Smith) etc., one could see the glimmer of an effective offense on the field yesterday. We have a strong, experienced O-line, a number of capable RBs, and some dangerous WRs. We have QBs who can complete short passes over the middle and to the sideline (although they struggle on the longer throws). Both QBs can scramble and gain yards on broken plays (and Collins has the potential to turn scrambles or broken plays into big gains). There are plenty of tools to work with here. While we wait for our QBs to mature, we can run a relatively safe offense that features lots running plays behind our strong O-line, mixed with occasional short crossing patterns (esp. to Villamin and Caleb Smith — who provide big targets over the middle), and the occasional scramble (esp. by Collins). And every once in a while, to keep defenses honest, we can run a hitch-and-go to our smaller WRs (esp. Bolden). I think this is more or less what we’ll see on offense for the first few games, and I think it could be successful.

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      I’ve seen in a couple of publications pick the Beavs to have a Top 10 rushing attack this season. Makes some sense with the O-Line strength, but I don’t know that you can get away with throwing the ball 12-15 times a game in the P-12. How much GA runs the ball will end up depending on if the defense can keep scores close in league play. We always bitched that MR didn’t run it enough!

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Even MR bitched that there wasn’t enough running!

        • GoBeavs92 says:
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          That was the problem with Riley in his later years, he did a lot of talking, “we need to run the ball more”, “that’s not good football(after a bad game)”. Jesus Christ you’re the head coach do something about it then! A great example of how ‘talk is cheap’!

          Go Beavs!

    • angry angry says:
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      Regarding #1, I don’t think it’s an excitement problem. I think he just has very bad throwing form and hence bad accuracy. My guess is GA uses him on hybrid downs where it’s a run/pass option or when the team needs a jolt, and MM to manage the team down the field. This makes a lot of sense.

      Andersen was gushing about Seumalo. He’s going to make the running game good if he remains healthy.

      • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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        You could very well be right about Collins. However, in warmups, Collins was often throwing the ball accurately down the field on 20+ yard passes, which is why I suspect it’s more of a mental problem in “live” game situations. The throw that sailed 5 feet over Caleb Smith’s head in the end zone seemed to me a particularly telling example of an inexperienced QB who just put (way) too much on the ball.

        I was surprised at how many passes were thrown in yesterday’s scrimmage, but on reflection I suspect this was mostly because Collins and McMaryion need passing reps in game-like conditions. Against Weber State, I expect a much more run-heavy offense. Only after the defense starts packing the box to stop the run will we see play-action passes (esp. short routes over the middle to Villamin and Caleb Smith) and bubble-screens. Unlike MR, I expect Andersen will stick with the running game if/when it’s successful, and that this will be his strong preference in every game. Amen.

        One other impression from yesterday that I forgot to mention. I had been eager to see our new punter, Nick Porebski. At the prior scrimmage, he didn’t punt at all (at least not that I saw). At yesterday’s scrimmage, he only punted about four times (and not once against a live rush). That being said, he was still impressive. He seems to have a strong leg. He also seems to be able to kick a ball with a backward rotation so that it stops inside the 15, rather than rolling forward into the end zone. From what I saw yesterday, I think Porebski could be an important weapon for the Beavers this season. I just hope Porebski stays healthy (since the backup punter looked particularly weak yesterday).

        • angry angry says:
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          Anderson spoke highly of Porebski. I doubt he’ll get hurt. That’s a rare/freak occurrence for a punter to go down.

          It’s a lot different throwing 20 yards to a wide open guy during warmup and doing it in a game. Also, when you have a bad throwing motion, you can actually get in a grove for a while, but then lose your “release point”. Great throwers have consistent and proper release points. With coaching, I think he can become okay, but he also has a ton to learn on the mental side of the game. He’s a guy who just want to be about self and impress with flashy plays. He’s not a smart player. I hope to see some Collins but only in select spots. And frankly, I can’t stand the guy’s personality. I have a feeling that a lot of this will change in 2 or 3 years. He’ll probably mature and become a respectable human and better thrower, but as of now I think if he played all year he’d throw 25 INTs. In split reps, 12-15 INTs. And I think a lot of hair pulling moments.

          I realize he has good athleticism and these comments could make me look stupid, but he’s just not my kind of QB. What can I say? I just don’t like guys who are all hat, no cattle. Or even some hat, some cattle. I like guys who run an efficient ship, are about the team first, and perform (better yet, excel) in the clutch rather than in meaningless time. Collins doesn’t have the traits I like, so I just can’t get behind him. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don’t see it happening for 2 years at this rate. He is still doing and saying ridiculous things after two camps, so I have to assume he is a slow learner. I think in moderation (10-15 snaps per game or so), he could be an interesting weapon. Any more and he’ll quickly be exposed vs the better teams.

          • GoBeavs92 says:
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            Field position is going to be huge this season. If we can pin opponents on their half of the field (better yet within the 20) that is a huge advantage. When teams get to midfield the playbook opens up

            Go Beavs!

    • GoBeavs92 says:
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      Thanks for the observations. GA made some very blunt remarks about dbs getting beat and balls going over their heads along with the whole procedural thing. I have to say that C Smith has made his bed. He’s a senior still making the same mistakes and those are all mental errors, including the drops (eyes off the ball, bad hand position, etc). Personally, I’m willing to bet either Clute, Ortiz or Nall will be far more productive and make fewer mistakes.

      As much as I want to believe our receivers are beating the defense with blinding speed and great route running, I think it’s more of a case where the DBs are out of position(as you noticed) but there must be a check (coverage audible) that they are miscommunicating on with certain looks(offensive formations) or there’s a technique that’s new that guys aren’t picking up on. I know we’re running a hell of a lot more zone (which is great, it gets eleven sets of eyes to the ball) and some of these guys may not be used to it. For instance, a check we use to have (post snap) in cover 2 was if you were the CB at about 5 yds. depth and at the snap your job is to re route the receiver inside with an ‘in’ call, however if the receiver gets across your face and outside of your outer shoulder it becomes man to man for that CB. So you now should be inside hip to that receiver(flat zone responsibility is then off). Usually when a guy is just running free against zone it’s a blown coverage or a technique issue. Other than that, deeper than the deepest, or once again, “do your job”!

      Go Beavs!

  • angry angry says:
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    Time to catch up on everything. Can you guys post links to any/all video and any good, informative articles from the past few days

  • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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    Cooks impressive last night, 4 for 114 with a looooong TD, Wheaton just picked up a TD and T. Ward gets a TD this week as well. GO BEAVS

  • angry angry says:
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    What the hell is Collins talking about, “for me, it’s whatever. His decision is his decision. I’m still me.”

    What the hell is wrong with guy? This combined with SeththeGreat twitter handle and the interviews I saw earlier in camp, and I kind of hate this dude’s personality.

    Full quote: “You still gotta compete,” Collins said after being notified of Baldwin’s announcement following the scrimmage. “You still gotta go out there. You still gotta play. For me, it’s whatever. His decision is his decision. I’m still me. I can’t let nothing faze me. I just gotta go out there and play.”

    If I were coach I might tell this idiot to ride the pine until he learns some humility. What a clown. He comes off as extremely selfish and not about the team.

    • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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      I agree. Collins comes off as immature and me-first. Two confirming observations from yesterday’s scrimmage. On one play, late in the scrimmage, Collins was running towards the end zone, when the whistle blew (to prevent contact with the QB). Collins continued to run, and then vaulted high into the end zone (over no defender — it was a pure showboat vault). On another occasion, Collins overthrew a received, and then stared downfield towards the receiver, with his hands stretched out (more or less calling out his receiver, despite the problem being his own overthrow). Yes, Collins has a lot of talent. But these kinds of shenanigans are going to get old fast, and he’s going to lose the support of his teammates and coaches if he keeps it up. I think Andersen knows that Collins is a bit of a head-case, and he’s trying to be careful, to change Collins’ attitude without losing him. But at some point Andersen is going to say “enough is enough” if this keeps up.

      • angry angry says:
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        Sounds about right, SS, based on everything I’ve seen and read.

        “Yes, Collins has a lot of talent”

        I don’t know what we’re basing this sentiment on. People seem to have it, but a QB’s job is to throw, and he doesn’t have much talent there. As a runner? He has some talent there, but that is not a QB’s primary job. Even in this offense, it’s not his primary job. I disagree he has a lot of talent. I think he has some unique talents that don’t really translate well to QB, but maybe with great coaching, maturation, and all that he can be okay to good. I don’t think he will ever be great, despite thinking he is SethTheGreat. He’ll be lucky to be SethTheServiceable.

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        I was going to post the same thing, Silver… Kid seems immature.

        With his athleticism, I can imagine Collins has been given lots of leeway growing up; we’ve all seen ‘that kid.’ What he needs to realize is almost every player on the field was the best player on his respective high school team.

        Can he make that transition in his head, before he loses the team’s respect, or the coach’s? If not MM will indeed be ‘the guy,’ and Nick Mitchell will be next.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Here’s a short clip which gives the impression (to me) of selfishness. At about 1:00 Collins goes airborne for no good reason, I note that only one teammate seems to congratulate him. For comparison, at .19, .44, and 1:31 we see multiple players join receivers and MM after successful plays. It is only a short video but maybe indicates something about how the team interacts with Collins.

      I’d really like to hear silver’s observations on this topic. Opinions formed on only one thing (like just this vid) are pretty shakey; like you, angry, I’m looking at more. Not just the twitter handle (there, I said it, lol), not just the mugging for the camera, or the previous interviews, or the “helicopter” moves.

      BTW. in the comments to the linked piece, one fan says the play was blown dead before SC made his leap.
      The link:
      http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/08/watch_sights_sounds_from_orego.html#incart_river

      EDIT: Oooops, posted this before reading silver’s insight above at 11:37; thanks again silver!

      • GoBeavs92 says:
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        No doubt S Collins has areas to work on but don’t forget that he’s an 18 year old and has that mentality. I don’t think that any coach likes having two QBs that share reps. Your qb is your leader. Hence the old saying; ‘if you have two qbs, you have none’ I think that was a Dick Tomme (sp) quote. One of these guys will pull ahead when the games start. Totally agree SC needs to make better decisions when running and not be so self absorbed but those are correctable things. The games are going to give both qbs a slice of humble pie. How do they react will be the real key to who they really are IMO.

        Go Beavs!

  • angry angry says:
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    Julius and Oldbeav, can you post those in the new thread dedicated to this topic?

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