24.Aug.2015 Two QB System: Wildcat/Zone Read Hybrid?

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I came up with this idea while thinking that StS would make a better WR than QB, and how to get McMaryion and him on the field using all of their skills. Turns out it’s an actual offense. Check out this link.

But how great would it be to have MM and StS both in the backfield at the same time? The permutations become vast.

For those who have been at practice — any indication GA is considering something like this? We know he mentioned both QBs would play, but did that sly fox mean at the same time? Now that would be something.

One thing that’s frustrating is that many OSU fans claimed they hated Oregon’s offense and didn’t want to copy the Ducks. Now everyone loves that GA runs a very similar offense. Running a system with two QBs who can read option would distinguish OSU from the Ducks, and almost every other team in America. I doubt it happens, but StS does make it possible and intriguing. Hopefully they at least install that formation with a few variations. At worst, it should be a trick play option. I think there is great possibility and the next logical step on offense now that the mobile QB is old hat.

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  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    StS?

    Seth the Serviceable?

    Seth the Stupid?

    Set the Snowcone?

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    One problem is both guys are right handed(mitchell too), so one of them would always be rolling to their weak side. In the ULM story, they had a lefty and a righty playing QB.

    Would love to see them experiment with it since they’ll have both guys playing together for 4 years. Plenty of time to fine tune.

    • angry angry says:
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      One problem is both guys are right handed(mitchell too), so one of them would always be rolling to their weak side.

      Yeah, in the article they made a big deal out of that, but I’m not sure it is. For one, it’s not that hard to roll to the weak side and throw, but also, couldn’t they motion the QB out wide into the flat, throw it to him behind the line, then have him roll to his strong side and throw? Seems there could be many variations on that idea. Or they could draft a lefty QB next cycle.

      To the bigger point: is this the next trend in football? The current systems are quickly becoming old hat as everyone replicates them and not viewed as innovative anymore. Seems to me it’s the next logical progression.

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        This is really intriguing. Would be awesome if GA was thinking of doing this even though I doubt it. Would be awesome to see it work, too. If executed well it would be so much h more dangerous that the Oregon type spreads.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        Wonder if it would attract QBs? For those who are stat driven and want to be “the man”, I wouldn’t think so since they’d basically be always splitting reps, but for the guys who want guaranteed playing time, you would think it would be attractive, since they’re more likely to see the field. You just wouldn’t be getting those top tier guys. The offense would be more about the system than the individual players.

        “Players make plays, System wins games”?

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Two QB really is intriguing, I’d love to see it, but how does it square with Andersen as a D minded coach and his statements w/respect to simplifying the playbook? I don’t think we’ll see it till the last conf game if then.

    I see Andersen and his crew not as innovators, but as hard core, detail oriented motivators. BTW, on JoeBeav I heard the story of Baldwin and the two straight victories over Stanford by SJSU. Seems he walked his team through the Stanford campus to show them how pampered and spoiled their opponent was. Motivation.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    OT: Any Angrybeavs going to Ann Arbor?

    • Calibeav03 says:
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      I am … get there on Thursday

    • 2008Beav says:
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      Yup! I’ve always wanted to watch a game at Michigan Stadium! Never thought I would ever have the chance to see the Beavs play there!

    • Beavalum says:
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      Yep! Can’t wait to see the big house!

  • Sark says:
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    Who wants to get wasted and hit the Spearmint Rhino? Fuck oregon!

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    A little recruiting news. Devron Davis (steven nelson’s) cousin has said he intends to commit to OSU. Hasnt officially been offered yet, but plans to visit soon, so the offer will likely occur then. Has a really impressive offer list.

    http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Devron-Davis-85254/RecruitInterests

    • GoBeavs92 says:
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      Dude has a very impressive offer list! 6′ 210lbs playing CB. That’s an NFL guy right there!

      That’s the kind of guy that can pick up the recruiting again as well.

      Good stuff.

      Go Beavs!

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        It’s interesting that the position that has attracted the most talent so far for 2016 has been DB. Christian Wallace, Markell Simmons(Juco), Shurod Thompson, Jordan Parker and now Davis. All guys who are highly rated by the recruiting sites, and all have shown enough interest to put OSU in their top X list. Not enough room for all of them in one class, of course, but in the end we should end up with some talent at that position.

        Coach Sitaki did mention the defensive backfield as being an area they’re really focusing on building depth in, so maybe that’s why there’s so much interest?

        Here’s Davis’ offer list from Rivals. Pretty much the same as 247 with a few differences. Further confirmation that he’s a sought after talent.

        Angie Machado has said before that she is skeptical that all of these offers are legit, so maybe she knows something the sites don’t? Not sure… But Davis claims to have letters to document/confirm every last one of them.

        http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Devron-Davis-169452

        GoBeavs!

        • GoBeavs92 says:
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          One of my biggest concerns for next season is NT. With Peko and Grimble leaving that will be a big void. I hope guys like; Kalani V., Noke Tago, Houston Sumner and the rest get some reps this season. I’m sure Noke will. I think he would be a really solid player coming in if it weren’t for that damn USC game! If we bring in a good sized JUCO, decent athlete to add to the mix for next season at NT, we’ll be looking good. There aren’t that many seniors on this team and the one’s that are have plenty of younger guys who will get some experience and will be ready to step up next season. Future is bright.

          Go Beavs!

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      What’s the deal with this dude? Isn’t he the one Mama said she thought he was falsely reporting the offers, and she wouldn’t report anything on him until corroborated? Everything with his recruitment just seems like it’s been off yeah?

      Strange situation that this highly recruited athlete with offers from everybody (Alabama, Auburn, LSU, FSU, A&M, Holes) letting them all hang in the breeze with hopes the his dream school OSU will offer. I mean, I feel the same way and great if true. But strange…

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        I’m not sure how he could be making everything up. Follow his twitter feed. He has pictures of letters/offers from all sorts of schools. I can’t imagine that’s all false/fake. Plus, just today he tweeted out a pic of an official “invitation” from Oregon State to come visit over the Weber State weekend, so obviously they’re interested.

        You’d think if even some of those offers from the big time schools like Oregon/Alabama/FSU/Ohio St/etc were fake, you’d see it debunked somewhere, wouldn’t you?

        On the other hand, Machado usually has her reasons when she’s skeptical of something, so it’s hard to discount that part of the story too.

        Either way, the guy says he wants to be a Beav, and the Beavs are interested, otherwise they wouldn’t invite him on an official visit. If anything changes, then it changes, but that’s the current status of things.

        https://twitter.com/dheisman7/media

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          There is this I just found, so maybe take everything you read regarding recruiting and this guy with a grain of salt.

          http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/2015/07/55954/the-hurry-up-fake-offers-updates-on-friday-night-lights-attendees-thoughts-on

          DEVRON DAVIS OFFER UPDATE

          Last night’s Hurry Up featured a segment on Devron Davis, a JUCO defensive back from California who, two nights ago, claimed a Buckeye offer in a now deleted tweet.

          Again, people read this column and if something isn’t “right” they’re not shy about letting me know if something stinks, and that was the case with Davis. There was no offer, no contact between he and the Buckeyes and Ohio State is not chasing any JUCO defensive backs at this point.

          Why does this happen? There’s a lot of guys out there that create offers out of thin air, thinking that if no one fact checks they’ll gain something by showing an offer from a place like Ohio State. Self-promotion on Twitter, where so many new-age “media” people hang out and propagate whatever myth you pass off as fact, is part of the game and requires due diligence on our part before it’s shared. Unfortuantely, in the case of Davis, he reported his offer after midnight and felt it would slip through the cracks, but the truth is always just around the corner.

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            Goes to show, not everything you read on the twitter feed, or on the recruiting sites is going to be 100% accurate at the end of the recruiting cycle. Rivals still shows an Ohio State offer for Davis, but 247/Scout/ESPN do not.

          • GoBeavs92 says:
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            Well looking at several other recruiting sites he still has an impressive list. There was an article in OLive a while back talking about him getting an official visit here?!

            Go Beavs!

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            Davis also gets an invite from Arizona for a visit.(doesnt appear to be fake)

            https://twitter.com/dheisman7/status/635991724448436224

          • Numbers says:
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            Hey, nothing like being proactive in your recruitment. He sees the game, few recruiters do research and so one offer shouldve begat another. Except why start at the top with current national champ Ohio State?? I mean come on, start fake offers with the D2s or FCS and work your way up.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Speaking of twitter handles, @dheisman7. Suck on that, Seththegreat!

          • angry angry says:
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            Wow. Yeah I don’t see a JC CB winning a Heisman any time soon. He also lists himself as a 4-star. I don’t see him getting that ranking on any of the services. Maybe that was his ranking as a prep?

            I watched his film. He looks pretty good, but kind of slow for a CB.

            Some red flags all around.

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            yet rivals lists his 40 time as 4.45

            doesn’t that have to come from somewhere for them to put it on their site? or do they just ask a guy “what’s your 40 time? 4.45? Good enough for me! Let’s sell some subscriptions! “

          • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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            there was a JUCO kicker, Blake Levin, being recruited by OSU until recently, who ended up at WSU. His handle was @BLevin4HE1SMAN.

            I think we take these recruiting handles a little too seriously. These guys are just having fun. There are a ton of others out there that are ridiculous.

          • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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            In high school/collage I rolled with the handle Stiffler316 (homage to 2 of the greatest: Steve Stiffler and Stone Cold) on ESPN and other blogs because I thought it was funny back then so I get it.

          • Jack says:
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            316?

          • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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            The way I spelled college makes it look like I’m still a WWF fan lol.

            Jack: Stone Cold Steve Austin of WWF fame. Austin 3:16 was part of his shtick. “You sit up there like some preacher. I got a passage for ya. It’s Austin 3:16. It means I whip your ass!”

          • Jack says:
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            Interesting. I think even Gundry and Howell wouldn’t find that exact translation to be true… unless they were paid to find it. Still, that might be the dismissed Coptic version instead of the Greek.

            My WWF fandom was exclusive to the early 80s as a teen. I and everyone I knew (Midwest kids) loved loved loved Jimmy Snuka. He was the bomb. And then we grew up.

            😉

          • angry angry says:
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            Haha.
            Well this guy belongs in the headcase thread even more than Collins.

          • Jack says:
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            Do we also have to take reports with a grain of salt from a site which equates football players with warriors?

            Good for the goose.

  • Sark says:
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    Sarkisian been hitting the bottle hard, baby!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/635547578075975681/pu/img/inYfi-fg8gwqtgOj.jpg

    • Sark says:
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      video here

      https://twitter.com/DiabloSparky/status/635547648733265920

    • Jack says:
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      Let’s end this OT here. The man obviously ate one or two… or five napkins too many. Here’s his apology:

      “It was borderline laughable. I think anybody who knows me and has been around me – whether it’s family, friends, coaches, players – they know what I’m about, who I am as a person. Quite honestly, it was a ridiculous claim. I really didn’t give it much credence.”

  • Sark says:
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    According to one report, Sark told a joke involving a dildo to an alumni in front of his daughter…..

    • Jack says:
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      Still not caring. SCum will always be SCum, and the sun will continue to rise in the east.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      So it was a self depreciating joke?

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      big whoop. My grandmother told dirtier jokes than that

  • angry angry says:
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    We won’t be hearing from Sark ever again.

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      ?

    • Jack says:
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      I suspect Duck troll trying to spam the thread in order to go back to his Duck site and link it and “laugh at Bevis” in a “see how they are so immature” planting of seeds which have nothing to do with anything.

      Or it’s just a known IP address trying an end run… likely with the same motives as always.

      • thatguy says:
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        Nah Sark was drunk off his rocker at a SC booster dinner or something like that and said everybody sucks…including opponents he hasn’t beaten like Arizona State. As long as he somewhat underachieves I’m good with him as the Condoms coach.

        • angry angry says:
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          He’s probably the worst coach in the conference.

          • Jack says:
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            I would have to agree with that. Todd Graham is a good coach, but he runs in second place in terms of good peeps to Sark as well.

            Pat Haden needs to pay some other school gobs of money and make them sign a contract that they’ll hire Lane Kiffin into some unspecified future in order to draw the media’s attention away from Sark.

            Why are we still talking about this guy?

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            What an idiot.

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    OT: Seems like Simonton’s really impressed with and promoting the new staff on twitter. Do you think he’s trying to land himself a job? Seems like he wasn’t feeling the love from Riley and crew…

    Haven't seen your fav Beav in a while… They're prob waiting on an invite. Big thx to Yve B & Coach A for the opp! pic.twitter.com/yyCaPbTcWc— Ken Simonton (@KenSimonton) August 23, 2015

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      It makes no sense not to have Simonton, Yve, SJax back on campus if you could get them. Opie probably never thought of it.

  • Jack says:
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    Since everyone else is talking about stuff:

  • angry angry says:
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    So does anyone think two QBs who can run/pass is the future of offense?

    • GoBeavs92 says:
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      Absolutely not. My opinion is that this staff is just extending the competition into the first couple games. I personally think that the staff will name one guy after the Michigan game. That will be good grounds for judging who can be the leader of this offense. That may very well be MM because of poise and maturity but we will see? But I think ideally that Baldwin and GA want to have a single guy as the starter. When you platoon or switch QBs (even for series’), it does take the rhythm and continuity out of the offense. Plus the offense has to get use to a different cadence style, different abilities and even try to rally behind two different leaders. I think we also have a special situation where both guys are young and we only have 3 QBs, so at least two of them (probably all 3) need to be ready to go when running this offense.

      Go Beavs!

      • angry angry says:
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        What about college football as a whole? That’s what I meant. What is the next major offensive innovation?

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        As said above, I don’t see this staff as innovative enough to go to the two QB system under discussion. I agree with what you’ve said, 92, and only see Andersen et al going two QB as a “trick play” type thing. Like you, I trust this staff and it makes sense to see freshman QB’s under fire before making any announcement; and I feel all 3 need to be ready and expect to see all 3 play sometime during the season.

        But, looking at the big picture, I won’t be surprised to see a top 50(?) team giving this system a shot in the next few years. Keep in mind, I thought the no punt system would be seen, at least occasionally, by now.

    • Numbers says:
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      Absolutely YES!!! I am a big fan of this concept. Speed and stretch the field. I see the space the dual qb provides as an extra half an o-lineman. Plus the mobile qb concept, which as previously discussed makes for an essential 12 vs 11 scenario. Dual mobile qb could make it essentially 12.5 vs 11.

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        It’s fascinating. I think whichever Power 5 school adopts it first will be looked at as the innovator, just like Chip Kelly was, even though smaller schools were using that offense.

        I also think the punt is under attack, oldbeav. Nobody has adopted a no punt offense yet, but the pace of the game makes that inevitable. Take, for example, Chip Kelly abandoning the extra point sometimes to go for two. I don’t think any team will abandon the punt entirely, but in the future I think we’ll see much less punting…probably only when pinned back or for strategic reasons late in games. Defense will become even more difficult to play.

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          I love creativity and would love to see it adopted somewhere. I actually liked the ducks offense back when Dennis Dixon was having his best year. Hated the ducks but watching him run that show was entertaining because there wasnt much like it at that level, at the time.

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          Great topic! I think there is definitly a possibility of it being the future. Only thing that could damper that would be amount of time devoted. It seems pretty difficult to get 1 good qb, and to have 2 that could also run routes might be tough based on the college rules/hours.

        • hellobeavers says:
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          There was a segment on Real Sports with Bryant Gumble about a high school coach that never punts and always does onside kicks. The math is in his favor for sure.

          That same guy is doing something new this year where he will be implementing some concepts from Rugby with laterals. One lateral per passing play is doable, but if you start looking to lateral multiple times in the same play you’re going to fumble more often that you’d like to.

          Apparently an NFL coach reached out to this HS coach about his no punting/kicking philosophy but the NFL coach asked him not to talk about it. Guessing it was Chip.

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      I don’t think the ULM 2QB style system is the future of college football, but it doesn’t mean a 2QB system can’t work. Look what Florida did during the 2006-07 season. They started a pocket passer (Chris Leak) and a run first QB in situational/ goal line packages (Tim Tebow). In my oppion, this is the style of 2QB system we should run.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Oregon loses a 4* DB recruit tonight, Troy Warner, who now follows beavrecruiting. Small victory

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      Tear shed. The first 4* decommit was the one of their largest proponents before he decommitted a couple of weeks ago. Sounds as if he’s now working to decommit others,including this guy. UO was at #19 in terms of recruiting classes…will likely drop from there with the latest defection.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      check hasn’t cleared yet

    • angry angry says:
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      Oregon will be down this year. I can see them losing 4 games despite the relatively easy schedule.

  • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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    It’s called the wild beaver when we run it. Duh.

  • Numbers says:
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    With 2 Qbs on field, and the ability to play straight up or involve both Qbs in each play would immediately puts defense on its heels. With both being mobile there are multiple multiple run options. Plus pocket passing, plus two out of pocket passing, plus straight option x 2. I don’t see this as a hailmary flea flicker type offense, rather 7 yards per play, every single play. Too much space to cover, too much time variable. Defenses would fall apart mentally as plays break down. Quick reads could be lightening fast. Defenses would exhaust. A new game could evolve. New rules would be invented.

    Also on the punts, they statistically make very little sense in traditional football logic. —As long as the play called is capable of reaching the first down (unlike many Riley era poorly called plays).

    • Beav in TX says:
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      I think the biggest issue with a 2QB offense would be the time it would take for the play to initially develop. The advantage behind running the read option from the shotgun is that the QB and RB are in a position to move toward the line of scrimmage as soon as the ball hits the QB’s hands. Utilizing 2 QB’s unpredictably would require an exchange immediately after the snap.

      You can’t legally snap the ball to anyone other than the guy behind center, so either the D will always know who’s getting the ball first, or you’d have to spend precious time getting the ball to the other guy.

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        You can’t snap directly to anyone who isn’t directly behind center?

        • Beav in TX says:
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          I stand corrected. Just looked it up, and apparently the ball just has to go to someone behind the line of scrimmage.

  • GoBeavs92 says:
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    No doubt there. Oregon relied heavily on Marcus Mariota to bail them out of several games last year. They also lost a ton of experience on defense. At least 3 losses.

    Go Beavs!

  • GoBeavs92 says:
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    Anyone hear about CB D Williams’ and WR Jarmon’s health status? Practicing again? Will they be ready for game 1?

    Go Beavs!

  • angry angry says:
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    Matt Struck looks good. Granted, his OL is giving him all day to throw, but his mechanics are solid and arm is strong. He even knows how to look off a safety. Looks a bit slow as a runner, though.

    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1915666/highlights/176879380/v2

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      I thought so too. One of those guys who probably doesn’t get noticed much because he lives pretty far from any major towns (ok, Medford isn’t tiny, but it’s pretty far from any other major city)

      His only offer is from Western Oregon so far. Don’t see the Beavs offering him, but could see a guy like this coming in as a walk-on and then earning a spot. I like how he makes the throws look effortless and has a quick release. And he doesn’t try to do too much with his legs, but just enough to make the defense respect his running ability.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    I watched some of the Mason Moran video from his last game and maybe it’s just me, but I saw an opponent that was clueless and completely out matched. It was just like watching a Banker coached defense against the spread.

  • GoBeavs92 says:
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    Thank you. Good news. If we stay healthy, it’s going to be a surprising season IMO.

    Go Beavs!

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    “Hopefully they at least install that formation with a few variations. At worst, it should be a trick play option.”

    Agreed that it would be worth installing as a trick play option, at the very least. The ULM video shows how a defense would quickly become confused if unprepared. And if an opponent chooses to waste precious game week time preparing for this trick play option, that’s also beneficial for OSU.

    So you run it once each game, early, to see how the opponent defends your 2 QB formation. If they don’t defend it well, you keep running it. Why not?

  • Jack says:
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    OT… wow.

    A bunch of guys said or did a bunch of dumb stuff. Now they apologize or outright make up crap excuses that wouldn’t fly in the real world… or even TV shows. And the world just takes a pass on them?

    Maybe their bosses are just taking good measure and writing up the paperwork so as to be legally correct as well as morally right? I guess I’ll wait and see. But it doesn’t sound like the right thing will be done with all the noise being made by talking heads.

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    Gina’s notes on why Andersen came here.

    * One of the first things Andersen said at his introductory press conference back in December was that he was “told” to come here. So I asked him about his faith, and he identifies as a Christian.

    “I believe in God and I talk to him a lot,” Andersen said. “My dad’s not here and I talk to him a lot, and it matters to me.”

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      This should be the intro video this year

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      What I took away from her notes is that GA sees himself as a program builder, and isn’t planning on being here long-term.

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        That’s also interesting. It really speaks to the condition of the program he took over.

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      Interesting…

      There was a headline yesterday about some pro athlete who said he still has an imaginary friend. Many people in positions of authority use deities as tools of power to control or communicate with the masses… like every tv preacher out there. But I guess some really need the coping mechanism.

      Either way, I’ll take it. It’s not like he isn’t speaking the language of the most powerful majority in the US by far and doesn’t get empathy from this revelation. But I do find it interesting that he doesn’t weild it as a weapon. That’s different.

  • Jack says:
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    Thinking back on recruiting, I really miss the days when we were worried about losing those battles to SMU or Idaho or UNLV. Be careful what you ask for.

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