25.Aug.2015 My Girlfriend’s Reaction to Seth Collins (Follow up to my “Headcase” post)

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My lady doesn’t watch the Beavs too much or follow any of this stuff [she doesn’t even read my blog], so I decided to randomly run Seth Collins by her and get some feedback. I played her the StS media day interview and his other interview on YouTube.

Her impression: “He seems like the type of guy who would get into off the field problems like bar fights” ..”or lose his cool and get into a locker room fight.” And my favorite: “He seems like a guy who would sleep with another player’s girlfriend.”

Haha. I love her.

I then told her I wrote a piece saying he seemed like a headcase, and people got angry with me. She agreed something seemed off about him. She said he looked like a “pretty boy” who was “full of himself.” I said people on the blog got mad at me and argued that after getting smacked around by Michigan he could mature and change, and she said, “Yeah that’s possible, but with guys like him it’s usually ingrained and hard to change.”

Well, that’s a lady’s perspective. My lady is about as well-balanced/normal as women get.

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  • Bill says:
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    It usually takes an upperclassmen to straighten out guys like these not games. We’ll see how strong the locker room leadership council is.

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    BREAKING ALERT: The Joe Beaver Show is back on the air between 12 and 2 Pacific time normal weekdays. You can listen on kejoam.com or via TuneIn.

  • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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    Off topic: is there anyway you can enable a responsive design to the site? It’d be nice to have it be more usable on my phone.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    One perspective that may or may not have anything to do with StS-

    I know that he moved around to different schools in high school, don’t know if that was the only time he got bumped around or whether that was a pattern his whole life. But I can speak from experience, constantly being the new kid sucks and after a while you have a tendency to kind of paint on a clown face for your arrival at your new school, be it tough guy/bad ass, funny guy goofball, nerdy guy, whatever. When I saw that snow cone clowning pic that’s the first thing I thought of, that kid is putting on a cool kid goof around front for his new school. If you notice he’s pretty consistent in clowning around in most pictures I’ve seen.

    • Ripper Ripper says:
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      Might be a valid insight, WFO.

    • Jack says:
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      Yeah… it’s hard to assign purpose and maturity to any incoming underclassman in any walk of life. He could have anxiety in front of cameras, and goofing is just how he thinks he can mask that. It was mentioned in another thread that he held his hands up toward the receiver when he grossly overthrew him. Perhaps he knew he did wrong, and that expression was one where he just wanted it back. Unnecessarily helicoptering into an end zone was likely discussed with him since that’s an immediate unsportsmanlike conduct penalty no matter how it’s intended. What’s more disturbing is that any media or adult would celebrate that move.

      We’ll see going forward if the child loses his childish ways and/or overcomes his anxieties (if that is it). He would need to do so at any position and even if he wasn’t an athlete. But if he wants to be the face most recognizable to anyone who sees OSU football, he will need to do so more quickly.

  • thebeaverman says:
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    Anybody know which true freshmen will play this year?

    • thatguy says:
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      At this point, it’s looking like we’ll for sure see Paul Lucas, Seth Collins. Jalen Moore, Xavier Crawford, Noah Togiai, and Ricky Liuchan should be playing. Shawn Wilson is probably on alert. This is based on the most recent scrimmage. I’m somewhat surprised more of the freshmen aren’t playing (Irvine, Aydon, Zach Lucas, Brandel). A lot of newcomers are JC guys like Porebski, DeCoud, Peko too.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        Deltron Sands should see playing time too

        Last time I saw Aydon he was in a boot(right foot) and barely putting pressure on that leg when walking. Havent heard anything in the past 2 weeks regarding his progress though

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          Did Sands get hurt, like a minor injury that is pretty common? I think I read that but I’m not quite sure. Which would make sense, yeah he’s in the “alert” category. Kinda like a “break glass only if necessary” type deal. And not that Xavier Hawkins BS Riley pulled last year against SC. If two RBs are injured we should be using Sands, but SBW, CB, and DH + Nall & Lucas are a solid group right now.

      • Beav in TX says:
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        I thought I remembered reading that GA said Irvine was fighting for playing time, too…

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    OT: WBB on the way to Italy, but spent time with Ken Simonton and Steven Jackson before leaving. Good to see those guys getting involved in FB and more!
    https://twitter.com/oregonstatewbb

    • some guy says:
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      Sadly, Steven Jackson has a lot more time on his hands…..I saw him in person for the first time I was pretty young and every football player looked giant. I was blown away by how massive he is for a running back.

  • wannabeav says:
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    hey, AB nation, check out the blistering criticism of Riley’s approach at Nebraska on the Grantland web site.

    • Bill says:
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      Meh, it’s a pretty whiny article before any games have been played. Doesn’t offer any alternatives to the critiques the author writes.

    • angry angry says:
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      No link??

      I tracked it down. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-college-football-preview-nebraska-cornhuskers-mike-riley-new-offensive-identity/

      “new identity” lol

      • Jack says:
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        Had to laugh at the use of that word too.

        The writer has it wrong (although, technically correct) when he calls Riley’s system a West Coast offense. His is an Air Coryell (known as the West Coast offense before Bill Walsh). The reason we dinked and dunked was because we were never dedicated to the run, so nobody ever put bodies in the box. They ran coverages over the middle and on the back end instead. Our QBs had their best days against teams who were dumb enough to go blitz happy on our teams instead of just sit back and make us play under.

        Not surprisingly (since Coryell modified Sid Gillman’s offense), we looked more like Al Davis’ Raiders offense for many games in each season, if not for some whole seasons.

      • wannabeav says:
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        sorry, I’m an old guy and haven’t learned fancy internet tricks like making links.

        • scotty says:
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          It’s easy! You just grab your bits and connect one end of the intertubes to the other end of the interwebs so your HTML and twitters can flow through

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          You’re never too old! Heck, I even learned how to print bold italics!

  • TheAntiAngryBeaver says:
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    He acts like an immature 18 yr old boy. In about a month there will be few 100 just like him. By the time they leave OSU in 4-5 years, they will mature and become mature adults. Some will remain douchebags. Cut the kid a little slack…

    I follow you on Twitter, and you do a great job with the recruiting info. And you do provide decent info on this blog. However, what I hate, and will always hate about this blog is how quick you are to bash an 18-23 year old who choose to come to OSU. You’re not in Corvallis or even Oregon. What you get is a small sample of what the coaches see every day. I’d have far more respect for you and this blog if didn’t spout off about certain players skills (or lack there of) or attitudes based on the short sample you’ve seen.

    • angry angry says:
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      what I hate, and will always hate about this blog is how quick you are to bash an 18-23 year old who choose to come to OSU

      Why do you hate that?

      If it makes you feel any better, I’ll bash anyone of any age and whether they choose to come to OSU or not, if they are deserving.

      Someone has to bridge the gap between reality and the media. The media calls this guy Air Collins and pats him on the back. My job is to question that narrative if it deserves questioning, and this one sure does.

      • TheAntiAngryBeaver says:
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        “My job is to question that narrative”

        You get paid to do this? Its your hobby..

        • angry angry says:
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          It feels like a job. It’s a lot of work running AB. Too much, for the lack of $ and grief I get. But whatever, the media is so ridiculous I will continue my duty.

      • UnhappyBeaver says:
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        You mean you’ll bash anyone of any age on the Internet. As funny as your pouting session about not getting a press credential was, I’d actually love to see you get some face to face time with these guys that you “bash”. See if you really have the stones you think you have.

        • angry angry says:
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          I don’t comprehend your sentiment.

        • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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          This guy whines more about the “no media credentials” topic than you ever did, angry.
          Just…..can’t…..let…..it……go…..

          • angry angry says:
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            I didn’t even want media credentials. I just wanted free tickets. The media pass would be a way to justify trips up there and make finances work.

          • UnhappyBeaver says:
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            If that’s the case, you should of just asked Fenk if you could of crashed on his couch. That way you have money to buy your tickets and a little leftover since a hotel on a game weekend is more than a couple of tickets.

            Heck, if you want a free ticket let me know and it’ll get one for ya. The only caveat being you have to sit next to me for the whole game.

          • Jack says:
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            I wonder what color Steve’s couch is.

            That’s what I love about this blog. The important questions in life come up every now and then.

          • UnhappyBeaver says:
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            Yea, you should check out my blog post about it and all the comments I left with emails from OSU officials. Wait that wasn’t me.

          • Jack says:
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            Then how am I supposed to check it out?

            Sheesh!

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Gina has a nee practice report. Sounds like Jarmon is back in pads, and also sounds like theyre experimenting with using Collins and MM as receivers on some truck plays, but using either the rb or a wr as the passer. Maybe this 2 QB thing isn’t too far fetched..

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/08/oregon_state_beavers_fall_camp_27.html

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      When were trucks legalized? They are really f’ing up CFB.

      • angry angry says:
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        It’s the next revolutionary offense

      • Jack says:
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        It’s the natural progression of the read option. I think that’s why Nall needs to gain weight… so he can turn into a truck… an Autobot. He will be known as Nall Prime, and he will be able to drive through holes big enough for a… well… for him to drive through.

    • angry angry says:
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      Natural sound from offensive coordinator Dave Baldwin to his players on the sideline near the end of practice: “You guys gotta learn the plays. This is getting ridiculous.”

      That doesn’t sound good.

      • Jack says:
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        Perhaps there was a theater troupe there passing out water balloon popsicles?

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        It depends on who was on the sidelines, ones or twos?

      • wannabeav says:
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        actually it does. Riley would be shrugging that stuff off and then wondering why the team got beat by an FCS squad in the first game.

      • Fred says:
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        You only run 4 or 5 plays in zone read. What’s so difficult? Bubble screen, zone read with seam routes multiple that by two add a qb draw.

        • Jack says:
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          I think it’s a total of six. The draw is the only meat and potato run required of the QB. That sets up everything else. The seam routes are easy to read pre-snap, which bugs the hell out of me… and everyone else except for Chris Petersen, apparently. Bubble screens are what they are. Inside tackle runs are important to keep the box tight. Off tackle works when all else runs smoothly. The pass-back is probably the one you forgot. It works on the wheel, the late deep drag and sometimes the hitch and go… though rarely… once is enough.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Trick plays in the red zone……….

      In one of the recent scrimmage videos there was a few seconds of a play which looked like it took place inside the 5 (the O pinned deep within their own territory) and was a run by Nail for what was either a no gain or a loss.

      So when I see reference to a trick play when within the red zone I’m thinking that it’s possibly an indication that the coaches can’t depend on brute force running plays to get it into the end zone. On the other hand having a few trick plays up your sleeve isn’t a bad thing.

  • angry angry says:
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    You guys should run the StS interviews by your ladies, or any friends who don’t watch sports, and see what they say. Could be an interesting social study.

  • BeaverJuice says:
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    Really…? A thread dedicated to confirming your thoughts on SC and one where you use your girlfriend to back it up at that… This site is usually good but this post is a joke, How about we talk about the connections that this new coach is making with alumni or anything else would work.

    • angry angry says:
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      How about we talk about the connections that this new coach is making with alumni or anything else would work.

      Because that’s boring, and you can probably find that anywhere.

      • BeaverJuice says:
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        News flash your girlfriends opinion is boring to everyone but you. But your blog your content.

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          Picking apart staff and player personalities in here, whether valid or not, is one of the interesting aspects of this site. You don’t get much of that on the other sites, and if I want to hear how awesome everyone is, I’ll listen to Mike Parker.

          • angry angry says:
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            It’s not even picking. To me, picking means going around looking for problems. I never do that. I don’t have the time. I watch all the same mainstream media you guys do, and then if something doesn’t jive with what I’m being told, I write about it.

            Ryan Nall at 250lbs with pain in his knee doesn’t jive. Where is the mainstream media writing about that? They just nod and accept it.

            Seth Collins immaturity doesn’t jive. Meanwhile, the mainstream media is dubbing him “Air Collins”…actually encouraging it.

            I don’t think I ever attacked a player or coach for an invalid reason. And on the flipside, I also point out players I like who have upside the media isn’t seeing. So I don’t see the problem other than, yeah, it is sometimes “uncomfortable” to read about anything but unicorns and fairies, and there’s a group of people don’t like that uncomfortable feeling.

        • scotty says:
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          I’m just curious what angry’s girlfriend is like. I used to wonder the same about Jack’s imaginary friends, but they’ve been nice enough to answer the mystery by posting once in a while

          • angry angry says:
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            She’s toothsome, smart, a great cook, funny, and can throw a football 15 yards (probably better than StS!). We’ve been together like 6 years and are engaged, actually

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            You had me at toothsome LOL.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            by imaginary friends do you mean multiple personalities?

          • scotty says:
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            potayto potahto

          • Jack says:
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            Hey! My multiple personalities are completely different from my imaginary friends. And I’m pretty sure none of my imaginary friends have posted here.

          • Jack says:
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            However, I cannot vouch for any of my other personalities’ imaginary friends.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Probably reading too much into this, but this ESPN post about the 2 QB’s system at Oregon State has one line that I found interesting. Maybe it’s just a poor choice of words to use “tandem”, or maybe it’s just poor reading comprehension on my part (probably the latter)

    he’s apparently examining ways in which he can keep defenses off balance by using his youngsters in tandem.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/90153/oregon-state-set-to-begin-with-two-quarterback-system

  • Jack says:
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    Questions:

    In our two QB offense of the future, do we use a formation like a short punt with the RB in the rear? And are the two QBs going to morph into more hefty back types? Obviously a Tebow type who can take the physicality, or truck it himself on this level, would be optimal. But do we look for one of those, even a Lorenzen type (as he was supposed to be under Mumme)… or even two? Or do we go with a thunder and lightning set-up with a gazelle like Moran will be and another QB who can dish blocks or carry it in short yardage as well as pass?

    • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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      I think we already have that “thunder” qb on the team in Tuli Wily-Matagi He’s listed as a TE, but played QB in highschool. Big dude at 6’2″ and 250 lbs. Nearly the same size as Cardale Jones size, just a tad shorter.

      http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2962355/highlights/207814380/v2

      • Jack says:
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        Well there we go. And we can finally justify keeping six or seven QBs on the roster because instead of playing only one and padding his stats we’ll just switch guys in and out like any other position. People trying to read our box scores are going to be so mad and confused.

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        Was he given an opportunity at QB?

        With him at QB they could have SC, MM and RN in the backfield. FULL HOUSE BACKFIELD baby. In the huddle they could flip a coin to determine which one would be under center. Even the coaches wouldn’t know what to expect. Keystone cops.

        Perhaps not as crazy as it sounds….

        2013 Ohio State Spring Football Practice:

        Embracing The Diamond Formation

        http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2013/04/21155/ohio-state-spring-practice-embracing-the-diamond-formation

        • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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          That would be awesome

          • WFO WFO says:
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            I like WTM and Vanderveen in the back field with MM and SC. That’s a real what the fuck to defend.

          • Jack says:
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            Agreed… with a RB behind them all. I’m confused just thinking about it.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    Off topic, but someone who works with OSU Athletics came to my work today and dropped off some posters with the schedule!

    Front:

    http://imgur.com/CiyaRMP,6wnVUlb#0

    Back:

    http://imgur.com/CiyaRMP,6wnVUlb#1

    They were pretty huge, but I think the marketing department did a great job on these.

  • Mb says:
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    For over thirty years I have thought that football would evolve, would take on some characteristics of Rugby and Soccer. Two qbs on the field at one time, multiple laterals on punt/kick off returns, reduced punting, reintroduction of the drop kick with a successful drop kick being awarded an extra point try for a possible total of four points. But now that I am much older, I think that only additional safety will save football. And to do this, the only logical way is to go back to rugby rules. No blocking or tackling below the waist would revitalize the game and make it much safer. Limited substitution might also help. As for Seth, he is a boy, a spoiled boy to be sure. Yet he is unfairly being branded with a scarlet letter. Most of the criticism of Seth comes from secular religious believers (Nikeists) who take image to be far more important than substance in life. And there lies the rub.

    • angry angry says:
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      Let’s remember that his teammates had issue with him diving into the endzone during the spring game. This isn’t AB mythology. I’m not going to go searching for those stories, but I’m sure the diehards here remember teammates having issue with him.

    • Ripper Ripper says:
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      Very thoughtful, MB

    • Jack says:
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      You can’t block in rugby, so there’s one major hiccup.

      • Jack says:
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        But American football used to have a zero substitution rule, like real baseball.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    If anybody here is going/went to the team bbq in Portland tonight, would love to hear a recap later. Always been curious what happens at those events but they never fit my schedule.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Gina up with a piece on player initiated workouts, no surprise Justin Strong was a leader. I expect a great season from him, good fundamentals and now this news about extra dedication.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/08/oregon_state_beavers_hope_earl.html#incart_river

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Oh I bet the track team is overjoyed to learn about this (football players throwing up on the track). LOL

  • angry angry says:
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    Anyone know about Weber State? This article makes them sound decent.

    http://www.wsusignpost.com/2015/08/24/weber-state-football-preview/

    • UnhappyBeaver says:
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      Three straight years finishing 2-10. They’re bad. Maybe you should show your girlfriend highlights of their season last year and write about her thoughts.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        they’re terrible. We asked your mom and that was what she told us. Although we’re unsure if she was referring to football.

      • Jack says:
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        Wow! That was so mean, I’m guessing you feel bad about writing it.

    • Jack says:
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      He’s right. I’ve heard more from Sitake in a couple months than I hear from whole swaths of DCs over decades.

      And is the boonie cap with a non-functioning band and no camo under the brim just a way for pretend patriots to sell on the back of Merica? I mean… surplus boonies are $10… any variation you can think of. It’s an awesome shade cap, and I understand the coaches wearing the Nike crap made by pre-teens somewhere because it has our logo on it. But it (the Nike version) is really a terrible cover.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        He is also in the self promotion, I want to be a HC stage so that is really not surprising.

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