27.Aug.2015 Open Topic

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Open discussion through the weekend.

Barring any big news, I will see you guys on Monday (game week!).

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  • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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    OK…open discussion…and off topic…If you’re thinking of fishing Wilapa Bay, I recommend it. Been smashing the Kings this summer.

    Go Beavs!

    • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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      I haven’t had a chance to get on the river yet this year, and with deer and elk season starting Saturday it’s likely I won’t any time soon.

      • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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        Kill your bull, then wait for late season to kill a monster blacktail! Fishing is hot!

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Gonna bow hunt elk and rifle hunt deer locally this year. My 70 year old dad and my 7 year old son have been putting the heat on me to take them out. 🙂

          • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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            Text message from my buddy this AM: “Stud 6×6 locking horns with another bull right now, and another bull circling the herd. Was 18 elk last night, now I count 24. Bulls are screaming.”

            I won’t be fishing this weekend either…

          • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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            Need Another set of arms to pack out meat? Or just want to help a fellow AB kill a bull? Haha.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Looks like my old stomping grounds at west murderers creek is going up in flames.

          • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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            yeah…there’s a lot of good elk ground in flames right now. But in a few years, the habitat is going to be prime again!

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Oh yeah it doesn’t grow up so thick and tall over there. Just burn out some grass and brush. Kinda like the natural burn cycle was on the west side before the gov started fucking with it.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Where you guys headed GWH?

          • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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            Little honey hole down by Elkton. There’s three 6 points dogging a herd of cows. One of the three (not the biggest) has a split main beam the comes off just above G1 and parallels the main frame all the way to the whale tail at the top. Super cool bull…and since he’s now the satellite bull, should be ripe to call in.

            I just hope no one else is looking at the same elk and jacks up our hunt…the joys of public land hunting. With pressure, these elk bail off into deep reprod, then it gets tough.

          • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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            Just got trail cam pictures…there’s a bull mounting a cow on one of them…I think the rut may be on!

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Nice, I’ve been trying to work in with some friends that hunt down there. My brother always goes over by Wickiup. I’ve been wanting to head back over by Jackie’s Thicket, I killed a decent bull over there a few years back and haven’t been able to make it back over.

          • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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            Good luck….aim small/miss small!

      • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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        I’ve put 13 kings away, all fishing out of a little skiff. Time for some elk hunting myself!

        • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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          Nice, what river? I’m on the siuslaw and haven’t been out yet. I hear it’s been awful through.

          • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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            All in Wilapa bay…well, two of them in Port Townsend, actually. King fishing has been really really good for me!

            Last year I would have won the Chimicum salmon derby out of Townsend…had I bought a derby ticket. Beat the derby winner by 6#.

          • Jack says:
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            This hasn’t been a great year down here. I’ve floated four times (Siletz and once on the Umpqua) and got two clipped per float… and maybe one native per. Bows and bluebacks are biting pretty good. Shore fishing doesn’t change the numbers. I feel sorry for me for having to work to fill my tag.

            On the flipside… went deep sea a couple weeks ago and bagged two halibut (90 lbs…yeah baby!) and two ling I sold to the boat. Had to give some up to a friend because I was not prepared… and I didn’t have a cooler large enough for a small human.

          • Jack says:
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            Sorry… I meant to brag.

            The derivatives are all you.

          • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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            Nice work!

            I fished Winchester bay for no bites last weekend. Saw a few caught and I think it’s picking up. We caught a gazzillion crab so that saved the weekend!

          • Jack says:
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            Have you seen ODFW this year? Normally I see one for every three or four hours and have one stop by to “talk” if they haven’t seen me or the guy/s I’m with… or to actually talk once in a while. I’ve seen one boat in all of August… twice in one day… coming and going with a wave and nothing more.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Before this turns into a fishing thread, someone talk about music.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Been enjoying these guys for a while. Great singer, killer guitar tone, sweet riffs.

      Never posted a video before, might not work.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Do I have to log in to properly embed a link?

      • Jack says:
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        You have to post the video last in order to embed it. That’s an older line up with Bredahl instead of Caggiano. They toured a couple months ago with Crobot and Anthrax. And I think Crobot is opening for Motorhead for a couple months. That’s a lot of good, heavy gitars.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Yeah is Caggiano the old Anthrax guitar player? I know they had some turnover. Regardless, Volbeat is great. They did a sweet cover of the Misfits Angelfuck.

          • Jack says:
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            Yeah… Caggiano was Anthrax. He’s still good with them obviously. I like it when they slow it down for a Johnny Cash tune. It’s amazing when the crowd really gets into a classic like that. I’m sure it would be more amazing if I was there and not having to watch video of it while a friend tells me it was amazing. 🙂

      • angry angry says:
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        I fixed it, but you should make an account so you can edit posts. Like Jack said, just put the link at the end, and it will embed.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          I guess I might as well make an account after like 7 years or whatever…

  • Numbers says:
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    So, I get home from a trip this evening and all my wife wants to talk about is how great essential oils are and how she wants to sell them. Clearly something she picked up from her Facebook mommies group. Anyone have any comments on essential oils? I don’t know anything about them, and upfront they sound more nice to have than essential. And I think her selling them is her being scammed. Thoughts?

    • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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      Run the other way….

      Unless you have thousands to throw around.

    • angry angry says:
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      I use them in my soaps. What do you need to know?

      And yes, like GWH said, they can be very expensive…

      • Numbers says:
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        Exactly, I thought you might use them in your soaps. My wife and I talk about your soaps a lot. I don’t even know what oils questions I have yet, but I’m very glad to know an outlet for someone who knows.

    • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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      From a health/medicine standpoint they seem awfully holistic/quackery. I’ve never used them for such, but from what I’ve read it doesn’t work.

    • Numbers says:
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      Angry, What are your favorites for use in soaps? Maybe top 3 or so and why?

      • angry angry says:
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        Lavender, cedarwood, and lemongrass are my 3 favorites. I wrote a lot more details, but then I realized…

        it sounds like your wife is getting involved in a pyramid scheme and deleted.

        I don’t want to reinforce any ideas she’s getting.

        • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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          That was the “run” portion of my post.

          I like the lemongrass in my water. It’s refreshing.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      they’re better than analeze

    • Jack says:
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      Stay away from MLMs like Young Living, doTERRA and Be Young. There are many unbiased articles about oils on the interwebs. Go ahead and research some. I would only recommend http://www.nativeamericannutritionals.com/ and https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/ for online purchasing.

      Again… it sounds less like you’re asking about oils and more about MLM businesses.
      https://sometimesmagical.wordpress.com/2014/04/12/cult-spotting-101-breaking-down-multi-level-marketing-schemes-guest-post/

      • angry angry says:
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        Yes, Numbers, do NOT let your wife get involved in MLM or any group selling oils. They are ponzi schemes, and you will lose money.

      • Numbers says:
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        Thank you guys. I knew I could count on you. She was very interested in the legit properties of essential oils, but she is consistently being wooed by the MLM schemes.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          Tell her that your essential oil is baby oil and you are going slather her up and let the magic happen LOL.

          • Jack says:
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            The point is to get away from using petrochemicals on your body. I haven’t used landscape fabric in years because you can see what it does to the biome (or doesn’t allow the biome to do for itself). I haven’t used urethanes on woods for years because they don’t treat woods how clients want their woods to be treated (and the stuff just stinks to high heaven and takes forever to cure, if it ever really does).

            You would think you become the kind of person who sticks coasters under drinks or spends more time weeding in the yard. But the regular maintenance done on the plastic world of the past is lessened… and you don’t have to spend an inordinate amount of time eventually stripping all the plastic off your wood or digging it out of the yard once you realize what bad ideas they were in the first place.

          • Beav in TX says:
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            What do you recommend as urethane alternatives?

          • Jack says:
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            I use lacquer. It doesn’t stink. You can layer it on after two hours if you’re looking for a thicker coat. And you can move furniture onto floors or stuff into cabinets after 24 hours. And it doesn’t yellow over time or bleach when the sun hits certain parts of it. You do have to spend a little extra time making sure everything is dust free because it is a thinner seal. But you can also fix wear and tear easily with some citrus oil and a little more lacquer without it showing like a urethane patch would.

            And if you’re doing a refinish on previously lacquered woods, you only need a floor buffer for floors or a light sand on other woods before cleaning, oiling and finishing again. You don’t need to take it all off.

    • Issaquahbeav says:
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      My wife essentially wanting to do the same thing but sell some overpriced skin care cream to her friends on Facebook. It’s called Rodan & Fields (sp?) and she claims you can make a lot of money on the side. She’s seeing these folks on Facebook be successful at it but I warn her looks are deceiving. Being that I’m in finance for a living, I see a LOT business, both existing and startups. Owning your own business is not easy and I’ve seen many failures for a variety of reasons, including restaurants, manufacturing firms and service providers. Although, selling these products surely won’t require as much personal investment as if you owned the brand itself.

      • Hellobeavers says:
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        Occasionally some female friend of mine will be trying to sell some garbage (supplements, skin care, health food) and it’s kind of sad to see someone get taken advantage of like that. Plus it’s annoying that people try to monetize their friendships.

  • angry angry says:
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    My girlfriend’s mom got talked into selling “organo gold” coffee, not realizing she’d been MLM ponzied, but luckily we talked her out of it before any damage was done.

    If your wife wants to know about EOs, have her email me. I’ll gladly answer any question.

  • NorCalBeaver NorCalBeaver says:
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    Just stay away from patchouli please. That stank is patented by those that come from Eugene. Excluding jack of course.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    How does this years Stoic compare to last years Not the Stoic from Deschutes?

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Hadn’t had Stoic, but Not the Stoic was really good. I recommend any beer lover to try and make it to the Little Woody Beer fest here in Bend over Labor Day weekend (sat and sun). Low key, and full of really really good beer.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        I loved the Not the Stoic. Hoping the new stuff is a good. I would love to do the Bend thing some time. I am getting obsessed with beer as I have not had one for two months as part of a girth reduction plan. Next Thursday the floodgates will reopen.

        • Numbers says:
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          Girth reduction. Haha I’m working on that as well. Apparently girth was over hyped!

      • WFO WFO says:
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        I’ve done a lot of work on the Woodie Barrel keg trailer over the years, Including fabricating the big ass taps on the back. That new one turned out sweet.

  • GoBeavs92 says:
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    My contribution to fellow guitar and non-guitar players who love great music!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XptslJml1do

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HANCzu70us4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHgFJEJgUrg

    3 modern metal bands that are great musicians and produce amazing music. Killswitch Engage performs my favorite song ever. I love the guitar work and musicianship of all three bands as well as their writing.

    Oh and as always…….

    Go Beavs! 🙂

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      Crank it like a chainsaw, er…Nevermind

    • WFO WFO says:
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      I generally enjoy A7x guitar work but I can only listen to a song or two before their singer really starts to grate on me.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Back to fishing for a tick: Just wondering if those kings have a Fukushima glow?

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Now Michigan is teasing using 2 QB’s. Probably a good sign that they’re not ready for the season to start.

    http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2015/08/28/michigan-football-quarterback-jake-rudock/71300540/

    • Beav in TX says:
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      My understanding is they’re fairly well set at most positions except QB (kind of like us). Could be a turnover fest in Ann Arbor in a few weeks.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        The word in B1G territory is that Rudock will be the starter and it has been determined for quite a while.
        Jimmy trying to blow smoke up peoples butts. He should be pretty good with better coaching as he has all the physical tools and was a two year starter at Iowa. Smart kid as well. Except for the going to Iowa thing.

        Michigan did lose a probable starting DT for the year couple weeks ago. The irony is the kid is from Utah and will now miss the game against the Utes.

    • angry angry says:
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      I think the Beavs will mostly use McMaryion. When they say they plan to use two QBs, I don’t think they’re lying. I just think Collins will have a few run packages each game but MM will bet 90% of the work. Maybe they get 50/50 vs Weber, but I think after that we see majority MM.

      • Bill says:
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        I think the reps will be split 50/50 for the opener. I can’t see them separating that much after the first game.

        I hope these guys thrive on competition. It’s the best way to make players better.

        • angry angry says:
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          The only QB I’ve seen succeed with Collin’s throwing motion was Vince Young. He short-arms the ball and struggles to throw a spiral. Some bad throwers (Young, Tebow) have gotten away with it in college, but those guys were physical and athletic oddities with playmakers all around them. Until Collins learns to throw a football properly, I’m going to believe he’s only in there for runs or very short passes [after the Weber game] — I do think he’ll get more of a shot in that game. And that’s how it should be…let MM run the main offense, and let StS maximize his talents running. He’s a great runner, horrible passer. So use him to run.

  • GoBeavs92 says:
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    Unlike us, Michigan has a decent test their first game. I bet they figure out a starter for our game. It’s going to be a little tougher for us considering our first game competition, but after the Michigan game, I think we’ll know our starter too. I hope Michigan has one guy for our game, it will be an easier preparation. I do think the Michigan game at Ann Arbor will have some turnovers on both sides but the key will be who can capitalize most off of those turnovers. Another thing that will aid us all year is if we can limit 3rd down distance. If we can get decent production on 1st and 2nd down, leaving 3rd and 3 or less (running is still a good option here sometimes), I like our chances of sustaining drives. But if we get into constant throwing situations with 3 and 4 or longer, I think it may be a long season. That’s my fear more than deep passes or behind the LOS throws, is those 4-15 yard passes trying to place the ball through tight windows. That’s where the ball has a good chance of being tipped and/or picked off! Our QBs just aren’t very precise on those types of throws yet.

    Go Beavs!

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    MR loses a second home state recruit………………….to Iowa. That will not set well with the faithful.
    Omaha South end Noah Fant announces his commitment* to Iowa.* |

  • thatguy says:
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    http://oregonstate.edu/ctl/new-classroom-building-linc

    Anybody seen the new classroom building? Absolutely stellar.

    I implore all of you guys who haven’t really been through campus to go through again; even in just the last 5 years a LOT has changed. For those who donated to Campaign for OSU, you should see how well your money has been used. Austin Hall, LInc, all the cultural centers, SEC all world class buildings. Johnson Hall is looking to be quite nice too.

    • Numbers says:
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      Love hearing about the updated classrooms. I still think u of o should’ve gotten more press on the contrast between their fancy deathstar and their shitty student classrooms.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    The Fighting Illness fires their football coach. Guy always came across as slime ball.
    llinois fires football coach Tim Beckman
    Chicago Tribune? – 14 mins ago
    The University of Illinois has fired football coach Tim Beckman, one week before the start of …

  • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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    Periscope of the Lady Beavs in Italy

    Looks like it’s 27-13 at near the end of the first quarter

    https://www.periscope.tv/w/aLCgbDExODE1Njk5fDF2QXhSbk1Pa1ZreGx6-o_h0py-nz-PzIyLZUx6eY1POceKi-FSEFCctGi5Hg==

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      The first line sounds like something that could get you jail time.

  • angry angry says:
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    North Dakota State.

    http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2015/08/ndsu-to-pay-athletes/

    This “cost-of-attendance” allowance is quickly going to become a loophole, then an arms race. I reiterate: college football is dead. It seems well, but it ain’t.

    • scotty says:
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      I’ll probably stop watching when it heads into that territory too far. Might as well just watch the NFL at that point, and I don’t watch NFL.

      • angry angry says:
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        The NCAA is basically a subsidized (grant/scholarship) NFL farm system. It’s why I got doubly annoyed at Riley for running a pro system and pandering to that.
        But yeah, this is going to get stupid and very fast. We’ll see how all the pay-for-play advocates like this model now that it’s here. I’d rather see them eliminate scholarships and go with the Ivy League model over this model.

    • Numbers says:
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      I can’t stand this pay for play crap. Really can’t stand it. Enjoy these final good seasons of college football guys, when they’re gone, they won’t come back.

      Pay for play should never happen. I would though, fully support mandated full scholarships for every athlete on the roster, top to bottom, for every NCAA sanctioned sport a school has. Strictly enforce roster limits, everyone that makes a team’s roster gets a free ride for their “work”. No additional pay, no bling, just dorm housing, dorm food, an education. Title 9 issues handled at NCAA sanction sport level. May need to add some more women’s events, but all on rosters should have scholarships. I’d support that.

      “Then there’s this institutions should be mandated to provide a “benefits package” consisting of: (a) year-round health insurance, (b) lifetime health insurance for injuries related to playing their sport (including concussions which might not show obvious symptoms when the athlete stops playing in college); (c) disability insurance that covers lost income, including those with a professional career trajectory; and,”

      In the 90’s I was a college athlete at 3 different institutions, once they have to go back and provide me with health insurance etc, which of the 3 institutions gets the bill?

      • Numbers says:
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        *Then there’s this: “… *

        • GoBeavs92 says:
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          These kids nowadays have no clue how valuable it is to have all of your college paid for! As they start to get out into the real world (post college), is when their free education really pays off. When you’re not paying $300 plus payments a month for your tuition. It adds up over a decade+!

          Priceless!

          Go Beavs!

    • angry angry says:
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      Shocker the SEC is paying the most cost-of-attendance

      http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25275500/cost-of-attendance-results-the-chase-to-legally-pay-college-players

      “Said Oregon coach Mark Helfrich, whose school’s COA ($2,382) is among the lowest in the FBS: “I’ve seen a few of the numbers. It’s an interesting number. The people that can control it, there are some ways you can manipulate the system. It will be another clear battle (in recruiting).”

      • Whiskey Soaked Napkins Whiskey Soaked Napkins says:
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        Guaranteed Oregon players are getting more than that. Guaranteed. There’s a reason some good players go to Eugene. And it’s not because of the cute coeds or quality U of O education

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          Remember the Bruce Barron situation? I was told from a tipster that his coach received 10-15k. Is this true? I don’t know. But that’s what I was told and still retain the emails. It makes me even wonder if Oregon is paying players directly or the coaches (the latter makes more sense since, in general, a player would have a bigger mouth).

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            I don’t recall that but it wouldn’t surprise me. Can’t beat the SEC? Join em

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    Oregon got a verbal commitment from local pg payton pritchard. Of course verbal commitments haven’t met a whole lot for the ducks lately, but a good get for them.

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    hoops schedule as of now:
    Nov 19 @ Rice
    Nov 21 @ UCSB
    Nov 24 vs. Valpo
    Dec 2 vs. Loyola Marymount
    Dec 5 vs. Nevada
    Dec 12 @ Kansas (KC)
    Dec 18 vs. Cal St Fullerton (Moda)
    Dec 19 vs. Tulsa (Moda)
    Dec 21 vs. Quinnipiac

    first Pac-12 game could be dec 30-jan 3 against uo, so we have to schedule around that. We’re for sure not on the schedule against Eastern Washington, Portland, Portland State, Seattle, Idaho, Boise State, Sac State, Gonzaga, Mississippi State (we’re waiting to return the home and home), UC Davis, Wyoming, Colorado State, Montana State, or Montana.

    It’s best guess how we’ll fill out the schedule. But I’d venture to guess that we’ll have a home opener on Nov 14/15, an exhibition against a Corban/Concordia/Warner Pacific the week prior, a road game after Thanksgiving or a road game/home cupcake after Christmas.

    Howland is killing me; that game in Starkville would fit absolutely perfectly into our schedule, give us a second power conference opponent, a great chance at a road win with the Bulldogs rebuilding, and a chance to watch our guys against a NBA prospect like Malik Newman.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      what happened to that game? They puss out?

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        doubt it. Just waiting for Howland to build a power. They aren’t gonna pass up an opportunity to get a home game against a power opponent. We’d win that game in Starkville if it was this year. They would have the single best player on the floor (Newman) but otherwise we’d be stronger at almost every other position and have a deeper bench (as indicated by the comfortable win last year).

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          I thought the return game was supposed to be scheduled for this year when the contract was signed. That’s why I asked. Did Miss St ask to postpone the Beavs return game?

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          found it. Beavs were scheduled to play there this upcoming season. This article makes it seem like it was a mutual agreement to delay it a year

          “OSU and Mississippi State have decided to delay the second game in their home-and-home contract. The Beavers tentatively plan to play the Bulldogs in Starkville, Mississippi, in the 2016-17 season.”

          http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/05/beavers_mens_basketball_schedu.html

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          Just waiting to build power?? I’m with whiskey, sounds like a puss out.

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    Adams named starting QB…must be a hell of a learner.

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    Found this little blog post from a Michigan fan who is also an OSU booster. Attended a recent booster event on campus and also watch the team practice in prep for Weber St. Had a couple interesting things to say….

    http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/behind-enemy-lines-oregon-state

    Gary said they will be using a 2 QB system throughout the year, and from what I can see, their QB situation is pretty dismal. Quite a few overthrows and almost interceptions throughout practice.

    Also, they will apparently be using their starting WR to kick field goals! I’ve never heard of that happening. I didn’t see any kicking in practice so I’m not sure how good he is.

    —Anybody know what the hell he’s talking about?

    He also had an image from inside the locker room. Notice the duck helmet is upside down. Glad to see the new staff is already embracing the rivalry.

    http://www.austinspaeth.com/IMG_0690.JPG

    Might be worth checking back on this blog post later to see the comments it gathers.

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      First off, haven’t heard one bit of info that says we’ll be “using a 2 QB system throughout the year”. Never heard it as being an all year deal!WR as a field goal kicker? Right, we have plenty of capable guys and we’re gonna roll the dice on a receiver. Ridiculous. I will say, that I could see some strange formations for PATs, to hold the defense accountable (the way the Ducks do).

      This sounds like dis-info hopefully. Otherwise this guy had one too many pints when telling these stories.

      Go Beavs!

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        Our kicking game is strong so that WR as a FG kicker doesn’t hold water. Unless we are unaware of an injury or suspension.

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        Wait! We’re using four QBs. And we’re going with our split end as our kicker, not our WR. There is a difference, you know? Why am I writing words about this?

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      Is it odd that Oregon state has a booster that is a Michigan fan? How does that work?

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      This blogger is an idiot who seems to be just making shit up and the comments were even worse….thanks……I’m now stupidier for having read it. And did GA really predict a “close” win versus Michigan already?

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    Our starting Kicker was an ALL-CIF WR in high school….

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      Are you talking about Choukair? Maybe they’ll use him as a 2 pt conversion option? Not sure who our holder is, but i thought i heard Pobreski the punter was holding.

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        No Owens was a good wide receiver in high school.Wasn’t at the same high school as Brent VanderVeen.

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    Garrett Owens can probably hold his own for this season.

    Go Beavs!

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcWKtPQloqY

    Golden goal win for the Beavs over the Golden Eagles.

  • angry angry says:
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    What’s the Beav’s practice schedule this weekend and next week?

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      They’ll have some?

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        Water balloons on Monday. Slip n Slide on Tuesday and then they get the rest of the week off.
        Sorry, that was MR’s old schedule I looked at.

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          Aka Nebraska’s new schedule.

          Those poor bastards.

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    This is completely random but I was just musing about the possible parallel universe out there where Riley didn’t leave OSU…and all the alternate posts Angry would make if he were still around. *shudders*

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      I’d probably make a thread about finding our identity, have an aneurysm, die, and the thread would go on for thousands of posts until the angrybeavs domain expired. We probably need a succession plan.

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        Guessing you would be something like this:

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        More irritating would be the lame ass Beaver fans trying to argue the point that Riley is the best OSU can do and we wouldn’t be able to attract a decent coach. I knew so many Beaver fans that bought into that shit and that bugged me the most. Same type of folks over at Pure-Orange.

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    I’m very sure Riley would have been fired with prejudice by Bobby D within one year of him losing a chance at the Rose Bowl… either year… if angry had never begun this blog.

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    Something I was just thinking about with all the rain, thunder and lightening this morning, was about the Beavs playing in wet/rainy conditions. Wet conditions can be the best QBs worst enemy, let alone guys who struggle in good conditions delivering accurate balls! And being a Pacific Northwest team, that’s not good for us. Forecast looks good for the opener (still a week out) but Michigan could be a concern. It’s not just throwing that’s a concern in this weather but all of the action that occurs (hand offs/keeps/etc). Keeping and handing off becomes more difficult in wetter conditions with an offense where the ball is constantly out and either retracted by the QB or given to the ball carrier. Teams are going to load the box in good conditions, but for sure in the wet conditions forcing our QBs to try and complete passes. One of the things we use to do in practice to try and be ready for this is dunk the balls in water for all phases of practice (Indys, 7 on 7, Team). Receivers also have to start catching the ball more into the body (which is a no-no in dry conditions) when it gets wet.

    Just a thought with Fall approaching us and our current QB struggles. Both teams have to play in it so it is a neutralizer but I am a bit concerned for our Beavs in those conditions.

    Go Beavs!

    • angry angry says:
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      Beavs should have the advantage in wet conditions — most of these guys have practiced and/or played in the rain for at least a year. e.g. McMaryion was on the scout team last year.

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        What rain?

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        I’m talking strictly about the QB position so I disagree. I don’t put any stock into McMaryion being the scout team QB last season either because Riley was probably having him run the poor man’s version of the Spread Option (ie he wasn’t using the detailed technique of how that offense is executed). Whoever is the QB will have to throw, the defenses will force this by loading the box. And when your QBs are struggling throwing the ball on prefect weather days, this is going to get ugly in the rain and wet conditions. Running the scout team and playing against the opposing team’s starting defense (where it’s all live- nobody s going to let up because you’re the QB) , are two totally different things.

        A QB’s grip on the ball is one of the best ways to throw a tight spiral along with the release.

        Go Beavs!

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          when your QBs are struggling throwing the ball on prefect weather days

          Where did you see or read this?
          I think it’s a big assumption that MM can’t throw or is struggling to throw. Everything I’ve seen he’s looked good.

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            It’s not that either one of these guys “can’t throw” but both QBs are struggling throwing the ball consistently. One of the biggest issues I have seen from both Qbs are underthrows. Even on the highlights (where I believe Villamin made almost the same play for both QBs- or maybe one was Guyton) where the receiver scored (middle of the endzone on a deep ball down the middle) the ball was hanging and behind the receiver. In both cases, the receiver came back to make the grab (basically took it away from the defender). Both QBs have also had issues with getting the ball into windows (to outs, digs and slants) through traffic because quite a few I have seen have been tipped or again (late/behind the receiver). There is either a lack of arm strength or a timing issue there. I don’t think it’s the arm because both can wing it so I assume there’s a timing issue.

            I agree that MM has an edge on Collins as a passer but by no means does that mean that MM is a “good” QB yet. I think they are both very young and still have a lot of growth to go, which is natural. The struggles aren’t on the screens or really short/quick throws but more on the intermediate to deep throws. Those are what I’m mainly talking about. When the ball gets wet, and even just having a wet environment changes things on the field. The grip on the ball changes which will affect the tightness of the spiral and the accuracy of the ball placement. Receivers are now catching the ball more with the body (letting the ball come into the body then securing it, rather than catching away from the body then tucking away-which is what is coached in normal conditions).

            I think we’ll learn a lot about this team and both QBs in the Michigan game. Weather, on the road, hostile crowd…… Like GA said, how will this team respond when they get knocked down?

            Go Beavs!

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            MM isn’t a good QB yet, but he’s not bad from everything I’ve seen. I think he can mature into a good QB quickly due to his intelligence. Yes, he’ll make bad throws early in the year, but I think he’ll learn from them and not repeat. MM hit some really nice deep balls all through camp. I think you are overly worried about nothing. MM will be pretty good by game 5. Collins has a lot more problems…mechanical problems and decision making. They’ll take years, not games, to iron out. But he can still be utilized as a runner and occasionally throw a 2 yard pass. The running game and short passing game should be good, too, which will help.

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    From Danny Moran: “What can Oregon State learn from Northwestern’s two-quarterback system?”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/08/what_can_oregon_state_learn_fr.html#incart_river

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      I almost think GA is using this two QB system this year to fine tune it for next year when they have a traditional strong armer in Garrettson and then the dual threat in either Collins or McMaryion.

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    And this from the G-T: “Baldwin charged with offensive makeover at Oregon State”

    http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/state-and-regional/baldwin-charged-with-offensive-makeover-at-oregon-state/article_eacaf233-fc91-5f30-82b1-4ec284f1640c.html

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    Since it’s slow…..
    Film of a JUCO QB who appears to have mutual interest with the coaches. It’s way early, but wonder if they’re targeting this guy for some depth next year? Wonder if all 3 current qb’s will be back? (Plus garretson)

    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1942119/lawrence-griffin

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    6×9 on the ground. Called him in to my buddy who whacked him at 19 yards. Split main beam on the nine side with junk all over. Now off for pack frames!

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Anyone have a link for a stream of the North Dakota State vs Montana game?

    TIA

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        Thanks. When I tried that link it wanted to download something onto my computer. This is “THE” computer for me and I can’t afford to download something that would screw things up. I guess I’m going to have to buy a 2nd computer that I can afford to have it get screwed up.

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          just close any windows that pop up. Don’t click on any of the x’s and just let it load. Trust me, it works

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            Your napkins are SO getting hacked

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            anyone caught attempting to steal my napkins will meet an untimely demise……….

            You DO NOT get between whiskey and his napkins

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            Get your napkins sandboxed or linuxed pronto

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          I’d be more than happy to make and post a video on getting it to work if it would be helpful to anyone.

          • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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            Yes, please whiskey. I’m running FoxPro and Ghostery along with Malwarebytes Anti-Malware.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            I’ll do one tomorrow during football or baseball, upload it to youtube and post the link at the bottom of this thread

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Montana scores on 4th and goal with 2 seconds left to win 38-35

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        WOW!

        I listened to the entire game on the radio because I didn’t have video and I was curious about what Stitt’s team would be like and what kind of a game he’d call. I was not impressed with him going for it when it was 4th down and they were in their own territory, especially right at the end of the first half, when they didn’t convert and South Dakota made the most of the opportunity. In other words Stitt gave away 7 points and imo he made a foolish call. I’m listening to the post game show and they just said Montana converted 4 of 6 of their 4th down plays.

        After Stitt came in Montana brought in 21 players 6 of which are WRs.

        I’ll continue to follow their games as long as they don’t interfere with the Beav’s games.

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          Agree it feels like giving away a touchdown, but I also think that a team that believes it is going to convert on every 4th down will play with a certain mentality and moxie. If you ever betrayed that confidence by deciding not in this situation then you can create doubts, not to mention going away from the belief of the coach that any time we have the ball we will take every risk we can to increase our chance to score. Sorry the run on sentence.

          • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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            Makes sense but…. I wonder how many kids would be O.K. with “there are times to go for it and there are times to play the odds”.

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            Recently read something where this coach said he would probably punt from within his 20 yard line and that at some point in time went against the no punting philosophy and his team was ticked. Thought that was interesting.

          • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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            Yes that is interesting.

            However,,,,, 🙂 I’m still thinking that if you’re playing the number 1 team in the nation, which they were, and your D has had trouble stopping them, which was the case, you could/still still call for a punt. Kids tend to not have much sense sometimes, that’s why the military likes them young, and it has to be explained to them that experience says in order to increase your chances of winning you have to be aware of and play the odds.

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    I don’t really know how to solve the problem of pay with student athletes in football. What is the solution in your minds?

    I’m not really in favor of just tacking on some kind of compensation (unless it can somehow be equal between all power 5 schools or something) because of the consequences, but I think it’s wrong that they generate so much and get nothing (that other student athletes don’t get) in return. College football has become big business, and these players are not being treated fairly.

    Sure, it’s all about STUDENT athletes. However, most schools don’t really care too much about “educating the player.” They just want them to remain eligible so they can play (and earn the school and coaches millions). They are funneled into degrees that are easy to stay eligible in and, even if they finish, are not going to be worth much.

    The whole system is flawed. Paying the students opens up huge inequities even between schools in the same power 5 conference though. Not sure what the solution is, but there is a huge problem brewing and paying players is the simplest (if not most short sighted) solution.

    I don’t see too many suggestions, just a lot of shooting down paying players. What is the solution in your minds?

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      Are you ruling out going “backwards” and eliminating scholarships all together?

      Short of that, maybe let them receive pay for merchandise (put it all in a pie and cut it). But, then you’d have millionaires on campus, which would be obnoxious.

      This stipend is just going to keep growing until these guys are rich, anyway, because there’s incentive to abuse the system.

      I disagree and think the players receive too many perks as is. Free education, food, big men on campus/get the ladies, parties, a shot at the NFL…my (academic) scholarships didn’t include all that. These guys are privileged yet have manged to convince people they’re being taken advantage of.

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        My solution would probably be to turn college football back into an amateur league and to have the NFL create a true developmental league for those that want to become professionals. That will never happen because the schools and NCAA won’t give up the revenue and the NFL doesn’t want to spend the millions to create a developmental league when they already have the NCAA doing it for them. There’s no way anyone would watch the developmental league anywhere near as much as people watch college football. It’s a lose-lose for both of the big monied interests involved so naturally it won’t happen.

        You can’t see a difference between a student on an academic scholarship and someone on an athletic one playing for a team that generates huge revenues for the school?

        I’d say there’s a huge difference in the academic scholarships and the scholarships given to football players. One generates revenue for the school. People on academic scholarships don’t contribute to the school anymore than a non-scholarship student does. Football players, and at some schools basketball players, generate millions for the schools. That’s what causes this entire debate…

        The fact that you list being “big men on campus,” “parties,” and “ladies” as perks just sounds ridiculous btw.

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          A solution that will never happen isn’t much of a solution

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          No, I don’t see the difference. They’re both students just paying for their education differently. A free college education is already payment enough

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          Academic scholarships benefit the school. It allows a school to claim higher caliber students and increase their rankings in U.S. News and World Report for example. Brighter students on campus is important.

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            Yep.
            They also produce large donors, businessmen, etc who buy tickets and donate. These can be regular students not on scholie, too, obviously. But the point is there’s a cycle here. It’s not just football players doing everything. Make a college with 85 football players and nobody else and see how that goes.

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        It’s such a tough question. I think we have to get over the idea that those on academic and athletic scholarships are “equal.” Because, as sad as it is, those on academic scholarships don’t turn in the same type of immediate monetary impact as athletes do. We don’t have an angrybeavs site for whats wrong in the chemistry departments; we speak with our wallets and interests and they’re both in athletics. So, with this in mind, I think there does need to be some difference in how the different groups are treated. I think it’s as simple as removing all limitations that take away the player’s ability to market themselves. Treat them like regular students in the idea that they can sell their brand, and those that are the stars will probably make some money, while the no name lineman will still get their school paid for and come out ahead.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          its called a student-athlete for a reason. They are students first. In return, they are athletes paying for their college education with their athletic abilities. Of course the school is going to make some money off of them. As they should. The school isn’t getting paid any tuition money from these students. And there are still bills to pay. Housing and meals should be paid for. Beyond that, no. Start paying them and this becomes a toboggan going downhill in a hurry and headed for an epic crash.

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            Exactly right.

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            I don’t think the schools should pay them, but i also think they should allow student athletes to get a job if they want, or sell autographs and make their own t-shirts etc. if they’re so inclined. Give them the opportunity to earn cash on their own. Some will have an easier go of it, depending on their popularity, and the rest should just be happy the school is giving them a full ride to play sports.

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            I just did some quick math.

            An average scholie is ~20k, and I don’t think that includes food or room and board. So let’s say 25k x 85 athletes. That’s 2.1 mil. Then there are travel costs and all that.

            I don’t think OSU is making any real profit off this, and any surplus they do make funds the other sports. A school like USC or Ohio State probably does make a profit, but it goes into facilities and such. If that money goes to the players, the entire system breaks. Suddenly you have an arms race, less money for facilities, fans disengaged because the money corrupts the sport beyond repair, their school can’t keep up, etc.

            The entire discussion is stupid since a scholarship, room and board/food stipend is payment. Plus they get many other perks. I have zero sympathy for athletes and think they make too much money already.

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            And you’re just counting football schollies, and in all the other sports too since football supports them.

          • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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            Even OSU football makes a profit. They have to subsidize other athletic programs that can not be self supporting though so the athletic department as a whole probably does not operate at a huge profit (and sometimes probably a loss). I imagine it’s that way at least at most public universities.

            However, I’d have no problem at all if we ate into the coaches salaries and spread that around to the actual athletes instead. There’s a reason Andersen can make 2.45 million, which is around 1/2 of what some NFL coaches make, despite OSU football making about 1/10 the revenue of an NFL team makes. It’s largely because they don’t have to spend as much on the players as they do in the NFL.

          • angry angry says:
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            Good luck with that model. OSU would be noncompetitive within a year, and we’d see how quickly the family atmosphere goes up in smoke.

            Not to mention all the social problems with having rich athletes all over campuses.

            It’s a dangerous path that won’t end well.

          • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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            That’s not my ideal solution at all. My ideal solution was above, but it will never happen. I asked for solutions and all I got was people saying “there is no problem.”

          • angry angry says:
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            The solution was to never pay them in the first place, and now you want to throw fuel on that fire. You should have stuck to no schollies and a developmental league. That position is a lot better.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            I think the stipend could be bumped up.

          • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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            The school isn’t getting tuition from them, but it’s making way more that it could make from tuition in the form of revenues generated from their football team.

            How can you not see the difference in the athletes that generate 10’s of millions of dollars for the school and the athletes that don’t?

            In fact, in 2013 the football team alone generated enough net income to pay for all of OSU’s athletic scholarships. So the football program, after fully paying for itself, also fully paid for the scholarships of all other student-athletes.

            Football: $20,666,946 (revenue) – $11,903,213 (expenses) = $8,763,733

            Oregon State 2013 athletic department revenue
            Total: $65,467,970
            Total subsidy: $12,270,241 (18.74 percent)
            Ticket sales: $10,909,633
            Contributions: $12,658,820
            Rights/licensing: $27,385,484
            Student fees: $2,565,348
            School funds: $9,704,893
            Other: $2,243,792

            Oregon State 2013 expenses
            Total: $64,185,065
            Coaching staff: $18,835,758
            Scholarships: $8,895,563
            Buildings/grounds: $10,373,856
            Other: $26,079,888

            http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/06/oregon_state_athletic_departme.html

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2013/08/31/the-economics-of-college-football-a-look-at-the-top-25-teams-revenues-and-expenses/

          • Corey says:
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            Absolutely – the payment part I was referring to was in regards to being able to use their own likeness as any college student would. Being able to sign autographs, market themselves, just as say maybe a student in the music department with talent could start a band and sell their music.

          • warner28 says:
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            Oh please, the whole “student-athlete” thing was made up to avoid paying workman’s comp. Athletes are employees of the university and their scholarship is their compensation as employees. That is a fact that people need to stop denying.

            Once you accept that obvious reality then you can start discussing rather the scholarship is enough compensation but stop this “student-athlete” nonsense unless you support the Ivy League model.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Do you really want to go there. Does this apply to EVERY college athlete in EVERY sport at EVERY school? FCS, Division III and NAIA schools as well? That generate very little revenue from athletics if ANY? Or does this only apply to football at a power 5 conference school that rakes in millions of dollars?

          • warner28 says:
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            Any player who receives a scholarship specifically for playing a sport is an employee, yes….

            No one is forcing colleges to offers athletic scholarships but if they do they are hiring employees, absolutely.

      • angry angry says:
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        I redact everything and regret getting involved in this conversation.
        It’s ridiculous to pay amateur athletes and awful for OSU. I’ll leave it at that. If you can’t see why nobody will convince you.

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      We are forgetting in this conversation that a college football player only gets 4 years of eligibility. Any one player or even a group of players do not even come close to making a successful program popular. The popularity brings in the revenue. If anything you could actually say the athletes are the beneficiaries of already committed fans providing revenue to the team. The current athletes have done next to nothing in creating the program. Now on the other hand because of potential continuity and putting together the program you can actually point at the head coach for many reasons as a primary driving cause in the revenue generated.

      I have been a part of many successful companies. Never did I feel taken advantage because my CEO made so much more than me.

      • angry angry says:
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        The popularity brings in the revenue. If anything you could actually say the athletes are the beneficiaries of already committed fans providing revenue to the team

        That’s exactly right.

      • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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        Surely not everyone at your companies gets paid the same. That is kind of my point. People are probably (in theory) compensated at some rate proportional to the revenues they help generate for the company.

        All student athletes are compensated at the same “rate” but football players are much more responsible for the success of the entire athletic department.

        The explosion of success(money) football programs have seen has been invested back into the programs, and to paid to ballooning coaches salaries, but the players have seen no direct increase in their “compensation.”

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          THAT’S your argument? College athletes aren’t employees. And Universities aren’t companies

          • warner28 says:
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            College athletes are employees, period….Saying they aren’t doesn’t make it true. They are without question employees.

          • angry angry says:
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            Saying they are doens’t make it true, but saying they are makes it true, despite the courts ruling otherwise and them not being on the payroll. Okay

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            They do work beyond what an average student does (practice and play their sport), in exchange for this they are compensated (a scholarship).

            That is what most people call a JOB…

            The courts can (and often do) get things wrong and change their rulings at a later time when they realize they got it wrong. They are obviously employees, only someone sticking their head in the sand could continue to deny it.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            If it is a job then they should be paying taxes on the cash equivalent of their scholarship. It is a slippery slope.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            ^this. You cannot have it both ways. If you want to say playing college football is a job (sorry but that makes me just laugh), they are employees (newsflash, they are not), and the University is a business (that’s debatable as well), well then they are being paid with a scholarship and stipend. And should be taxed accordingly on them as beavergopher stated.

          • warner28 says:
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            Fine by me, tax it, just stop pretending its not a job because it is.

            You can come up with whatever rules you want once we stop acting like what they are doing isn’t a job when it very clearly is.

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            The university doesn’t have to be a “business” to offer employment. Colleges have hundreds of employees working jobs.

            It can make you laugh all you want, it makes me laugh to claim its not a job. I know that when I was at OSU the work I did for the college (work study programs) was a job and I got compensated for it. If you aren’t getting credits for it and you are required to do it (to get the financial benefit) its a job.

            Just because a clever NCAA president decades ago came up with the absurd “student-athlete” label to avoid paying workman’s comp and other benefits doesn’t mean its not a job.

          • angry angry says:
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            It’s not a job.

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            Yeah, I am sure all the players that decide they don’t want to drop that class they need for their major but interferes with practice have no fear of being fired from their non-job.

            After all, just because its the literal definition of a job doesn’t make it an actual job (I guess).

            Webster’s definition of a job:
            : the work that a person does regularly in order to earn money
            : a duty, task, or function that someone or something has
            : something that requires very great effort

            I guess you can argue the cost of attendance isn’t money but otherwise its a job. I am floored anyone would even argue otherwise with a straight face honestly.

            We shall see but the courts are already leaning towards ‘its a job’ hence the new cost of attendance. As long as you must do it or lose your compensation its a job. Just because you don’t like it (for the record I don’t either) doesn’t mean you can deny fucking reality.

          • angry angry says:
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            It’s an oxymoron to call an amateur sport a job. It’s hilarious how far the fairness police will go.

            If we appease the fairness police and say it is a job, then the football players are already making a fair “wage” in free college.

            But no, the fairness police want to take it even further and say amateurs should make wages equivalent to professionals (on a % basis, at least)

          • warner28 says:
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            Thats because its not an amateur sport nor was it ever an amateur sport.

            When you provide compensation to people playing (scholarships are compensation) and take it away if they don’t play (scholarships can be taken away if you quit) you are not an amateur, all scholarship athletes are (and have been) professionals.

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            And I actually agree with you that they are making a fair wage, never argued against that.

            What I have a serious issue with is the colleges preventing them from using their own image to market themselves off the field. If a guy wants to be a spokesperson for a local car dealership or Nike or whatever they should absolutely 100% be allowed to do so.

          • angry angry says:
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            Most of that money goes to the NCAA, which as I said, is a corrupt and awful entity. I’m all for tearing it down and starting over. The NCAA is much like the SEC with stock markets — a pseudo governing entity that has a conflict of interest.

            Colleges don’t prevent athletes from using their image. That’s the NCAA.

            Athletes should be allowed to make money off their image.

            That being said, there ARE big problems that come with doing that. The 16,000 OSU students who don’t play football and are trying to get an education don’t need entitled millionaires driving Hummers around campus as they try to study. It would just get obnoxious for all the real students. The NFL needs to create a developmental league, and colleges can then eliminate scholarships all together. That’s the only model that will work, because there’s just too much conflict having NFL auditions around real students trying to take care of their careers and academics.

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            I agree its the NCAA…

            Totally disagree with the first half of your last paragraph, who are you to say a kid who has a marketable skill shouldn’t be allowed to profit from it simply because OSU “doesn’t need entitled millionaires…..”?
            Plenty of rich people go to college without upsetting the studies of others on campus and plenty of people go to college for the the parties over the education without upsetting the studies of others on campus, I seriously doubt it would cause any actual disruptions to “real students” unless those “real students” want it too in which case they weren’t really “real students” either.

            For many of these kids the 1-4 years they are starters in college sports might be the years where they have the greatest earning potential they will ever have in their life and they should be allowed to take advantage of that opportunity.

            Frankly you sound sort of petty and jealous in this conversation.

            As for the minor league/no scholarship thing. That is a non-starter so why even bring it up.

          • angry angry says:
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            I already said they should be able to profit from their image in the Capitalist sense (what part didn’t you understand), but I also said there would be social problems with that, and these are techinically amateurs who are already getting paid fair wage. A simpler solution would to ban the NCAA/ESPN from profiting off athletes’ image. It’s less ugly. An even simpler solution is no scholies. But throwing fuel on a fire isn’t a good solution.

            I think there would be disruption if you had 85 dumb jocks who were suddenly millionaires. I could be wrong. It’s my opinion. We’ll find out, because momentum is headed toward pay.

            But either way, I wouldn’t want to study around that, so I’d go to a private college, ivy college, or some other alternative. I’d get away from athletes.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            I guarantee there are more than 85 millionaire (well, children of millionaires which probably makes them worse) Asian and middle eastern kids roaming around the average college campus.

            I see their entitled handiwork at some of the shops I subcontract at. They are there. Just saying.

          • warner28 says:
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            And going to a different college would be well within your rights.

            I do have an issue with your implication that any athlete that would take advantage of selling their likeness would instantly become a distraction and not a real student. The world is simply not that simple. Plenty of people can be both.

            I think you greatly exaggerate both their markets (85 millionaires?) and what it would do to college campuses, I seriously doubt the average student would even notice a difference.

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            One part I don’t like about the whole “college athletes being paid” thing is the real world application here. In the real world, most people work for a corporation/business of some kind. Whether you believe it or not, the employees help to generate millions and in some cases billions of dollars, so why don’t ALL employees get evenly compensated? Employees are paid hourly or a salary, while CEOs (bosses) make 6 and 7 figured salaries (and bonuses) while the worker bees make 30-80K maybe a bit more at most average careers, per year. In the real world, the top dogs (the smaller percentage of the population) take home a majority of the profits. Sorry, that’s just the way it works! And for us to send the message that these guys should share in the University’s profits just gives them the unrealistic notion that they’re going to be evenly compensated for the corporations/companies they’ll eventually work for. Doesn’t work that way! If they don’t like it, don’t play. Collegiate sports are a privilege not a right! Stop feeding the egos of these kids. They need some humble pie and to learn they’re not entitled royalty.

            Go Beavs!

          • angry angry says:
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            The fairness police don’t live in the real world.

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            I like this point. I feel bad that I even started this comparison to being an employee for college athletes. The real point is that in the real world almost everyone starts out at the bottom figuratively. So why would someone think they were deserving of more just barely starting out. That is not how the real world works.

        • blackbug says:
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          Not exactly true. Have you noticed the cost of tuition increase. It is more than 160% what I paid and that is not very long ago. So you could say the athletes received a 60% raise in less than 10 years. You speak buildings and resources, I know when my company talks about my compensation all the perks and benefits are included to show the cost of retaining me as an employee. College tuition athletes are not employees, but if we wanted to treat them like employees this is more of the whole picture.

          You take Coach Andersen’s salary and divide it among the team and it comes to roughly 20,000 a year per football athlete. You take one person’s large salary and divide in the system and suddenly are really not talking about that much money to go around.

  • Numbers says:
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    Which high schools will pay my kid the most to play? Which pop warner team?

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    For those who don’t know already, there’s a highschool game on ESPNU at 7:00 tonight featuring our 2016 QB commit, Mason Moran. The team he’s taking on is Bishop Gorman, one of the best in the nation. On Gorman, the QB is the #1 rated dual threat QB from the 2017 class, Tate Martell. Good chance to see how Moran measures up.

  • scotty says:
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    I’m gonna say it: one reason I don’t like all this pay for play is it will give the quacks yet another way to sleaze and buy their way into more national championship losses

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      Reading that again, maybe I do like it. UO vs tOSU was pretty epic. A true classic for the ages with a happy ending 🙂

  • Corliss says:
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    Moran just ran 15 yds for TD.

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      So far so good. Really sold that fake well. Other teams are going to start sniffing around and try to poach him before signing day.

      • angry angry says:
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        So far he’s looked pretty awful. I know he had a big game last week. Not sure who he played, but this opponent is good and he hasn’t been.

        This broadcast is too annoying to watch. All they talk about is how many stars each guy has. This game seems like an excuse to boost recruiting interest.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          like I said after watching last weeks film. I saw a clearly over matched opponent that was clueless

          • angry angry says:
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            I missed that, and I didn’t see the opponent, but that sounds right based on what I’m seeing here.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            my quote was something like,

            the opponent looked like a Banker coached defense playing against a spread offense

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          Glasses ref is now working HS games. Pass interference for negative thoughts….

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          Give him a break Angry — his line is getting ran over.

    • angry angry says:
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      They better start paying him.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I thought the OSU athletic department was going to be making something on the order of $18M a year from the television contract. I don’t see that in the numbers or am I missing something?

  • New Era OSU says:
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    Moran just picked off. Collins is better. Moran will get there but come Friday I am looking for at least 90 yards rushing from Collins. Beavs will beat Weber St by 21-24 points.

  • angry angry says:
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    Moran just picked off. Collins is better.

    I’d hope so.

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      This is only his 2 varsity start so he does have time to improve

      • New Era OSU says:
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        He isn’t that fast so I don’t see him as too much of a run threat in the Pac-12. He can pick up 3-4 yards maybe but if he is going to be effective in this league it will be much more about his passing. That only partially fits the ideal GA athlete. He is a slower than McMaryion and as running goes Beavers can’t really afford any drop off below that in speed. His passing shows some potential but wasn’t full of that many high points either.

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          His coach says he’s the fastest guy on the team. That may not be 100% accurate, but he is fast. Not like Collins, but you don’t have to be. He outran everybody on that second TD.

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        I remember some schools were recruiting him as a safety. That might be a good idea…
        I realize it’s only a couple games, but he was jittery and so inaccurate. I saw him with time to throw plenty of times and still missed the WR by 5 to 10 yards.

        I agree with the person who said he didn’t look mobile. He looks more like Mannion back there than StS or MM. I can see him running for a few yards — maybe a Nick Foles type, but not as good. His mechanics were okay, but he throws mostly with wrist – flicks the ball, which is probably why he wasn’t accurate.

        Though, it’s way too early to make definitive calls. Revisit in December.

        • Angry&angry says:
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          Something is off here… Comparing his speed / mobility to Mannion, then saying safety might be a better spot…

          • angry angry says:
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            No I’m not comparing his speed to Mannion. Mannion had zero speed. This guy has a little. But he looks more like a pocket passer than a mobile QB, is what I meant. His skill set looks a bit like Nick Foles to me

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            #1 I think we’d all be pretty happy if he turned out to be Nick Foles-esque.
            #2 Nick Foles is never playing safety.

          • angry angry says:
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            You’re exhausting.
            Have fun misconstruing comments.

          • Angry&angry says:
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            You have no logic. Which can be exhausting as well. My point is, you say he might be a better safety, then say his athleticism / speed is similar to Nick Foles. Nick Foles, or anyone with Nick Foles’ speed, would not be playing D1 safety.

          • angry angry says:
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            You have no reading comprehension or logic. Hench the disastrous series of posts. It is hilarious how poorly you read and comprehend comments. The kindest assumption is you’re purposely trying to misconstrue in order to troll. If that’s not true, then the alternative explanations are not so nice.

        • Angry&angry says:
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          Since my reading comprehension is so terrible, could anyone explain to me what Angry means by, we have a QB who might be too slow to be a good spread QB, but might make a better safety?

          I’m no Mr. Coach Kline, but I believe Safety’s have to chase “fast spread QB’s”, or cover even faster WR’s. So what did I miss? Thanks guys

          • angry angry says:
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            He’ll never give up, either. He’ll keep doing this (making up things I never said, repeating his mis-interpretations of words, etc) until someone (probably Jack) has the patience to outline exactly why his comprehension is distorted. Good luck, dude.

          • angry angry says:
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            1. You said Moran might be better off at Safety.

            Nope, I said, “I remember some schools were recruiting him as a safety. That might be a good idea.”

            2. He didn’t look mobile in the first half, which is what I watched. Not sure about the prior game, as I mentioned, or the second half (as I mentioned, I was tuning out). Comment that he is more Mannion obviously meant he looks more like a pocket passer. Again, comprehension failed you.

            3. Compared him to Nick Foles, except not as good.

            Nope, didn’t make any comparison. I said, “maybe a Nick Foles type”. Maybe = no clue, could be or could not be. “Type” means in that mold. Just like Mitchel reminds me of Chad Pennington with his jump throw. It doesn’t mean I think Mitchell is Chad Pennington. This would be obvious to anyone but you.

            Keep parsing words and looking like an idiot, though, by all means.

          • Bill says:
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            To me, Moran has the athletic talent to play D1 football. He’ll play QB first and looks like he has the skills to do it. Remember, he’s a senior in HS getting his first starts. If anything, the takeaway from this game is that Moran has a ton of upside.

            Listed at 180. It looks like he can pack on 15-20 pounds. That means increased throwing power and ability to take hits. He’s likely 3 years at minimum from seeing the field as well. Plenty of time to grow.

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          Didn’t watch the game last night other than the 1st few plays, but doesn’t sound like it’s worth looking for a replay? It’s funny, over on Rivals, Blair Angelo who was covering the game in Las Vegas has nothing but praise for Moran, but from most of the comments I’ve seen from fans here and in blitz, it sounds like he was just mediocre. I guess the silver lining would be he was able to score 2 rushing TD’s against a top 10 team nationally. He also did lose one of his 2 main offensive weapons on his team’s first play. Nobody expected Chandler to come out of their with a win and that injury quickly ended any glimmer of hope.

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    I think I’ve seen enough of Moran. I’ll check back later in the year. Man, these telecasters are awful. This entire production is awful. It’s a recruiting circle jerk instead of a football game.

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      Someone said circle jerk and FlavR Flav showed up in the booth! Yeahhhhh boyyyy

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      Noticed that in the few plays i watched. They couldn’t say “Chase Lucas is injured”…..it was always “ESPN 300 member Chase Lucas….”
      Always had to be ranking guys so we knew who ESPN thought was worth watching.

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    Did Mohamed Ali allow his bloodline to mix with FlavR Flavs? .?.??

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    Athlete pay: They are paid. Any SA with half a brain actually sends money home. It’s not much. But it speaks against the narrative they can’t buy pizza at dark thirty after those 11pm training sessions they must always attend in order to not spend time doing homework. They get a free education, and they’re not smart enough at the beginning, middle or end of that process to know what that’s worth? They can go fuck themselves for all I care. I will just get off my lazy ass and lobby my state to put more into post-secondary education in order to fund non-revenue sports so my alma mater can attract a diverse pool of well-rounded (in the Hellenistic sense, which I completely agree with) SAs, of which history has shown an inordinate amount, compared to the general alumni, become leaders of men and women. You don’t want it? Go get it somewhere else. See if I care.

    See if you care.

    Good luck: to the archers out there.

    Moran: did the spotlight hiccup take the peepers off him for the rest of the year?

    I don’t know: lots of things… but mostly why anyone would even want one of whiskey’s napkins. They do know where those things have been, do they not?

    Was there a Saturday scrimmage or practice of some kind? I was really looking forward to a report whose words I could try to parse in order to interpret as, “The freshman QBs are no longer freshman QBs.”

    Can I do that now?

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      agreed on my napkins. I don’t believe there will be much in the news regarding the team. To my knowledge, practices are closed.

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        Yes, but there must be something out there that says our frosh aren’t gonna be frosh… or pretending to say so.

        All I want is for my team to run the damn ball… well… not like Pettibone ran the damn ball… but not to be so pass happy that play action on third and long actually seems even remotely intelligent.

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          Gina says the media will be back in Corvallis today. Not sure if they are going to be able to see any practice but GA will meet the media

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    Cliff Kirkpatrick trying to figure out ways to get people to read gis columns, predicts an Oregon State Civil War win this season.

    http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/sports/college/oregon-state/2015/08/30/growing-pains-ahead-oregon-state/71412448/

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      Hahah

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      Oops, its Gary Horowitz. Cliff just tweeted the link

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      I thought Horowitz wrote that?

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      Could someone tell me how they read the following: “…Linebackers coach Isaisa Tuiaki said Andersen has “that old school nastiness in him, but he’s a man who’s full of love.”…”

      Old school nastiness???

      TIA

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    I noticed in some practice footage today MM has small hands. At least they looked small. Wonder if he will have fumble problems. I didn’t factor that in.

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    Can I suggest using MMM as the acronym for Marcus McMaryion as there are 3 capital Ms in his name. And MM is already heavily used for other reasons.

    Yes, I’m kinda bored this morning.

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      What about McM

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        I’m ok with that… it looks better than MMM, which is too much like a Hanson song for my liking.

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      What’s MM used for? The first two letters of MMA? Millimeter… when beginning a sentence? The two things that enclose an ampersand in order to make a yummy candy? A song by Mr. President? An acronym for something I forgot in D&D? A boiler monkey in the Navy?

      What?

      • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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        Marcus Mariota

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          Wtf does Mariota have to do with a blog about Oregon State?

          And who the hell uses MM for him? I’ve not seen it here or anywhere.

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        Mason Moran
        Mummy Mannion
        Mike (Riley) Miscues

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    Whisky, I hit the delete instead of reply button and accidentally removed your comment.

    Whiskye’s comment:

    I guess I misunderstood the “student” part of student-athlete. Sorry, my bad. My suggestion is you look up the definition of employee. Saying they are doesn’t make it true. If you want to, you can try bringing some facts or information to the discussion. Such as, they are employees based on the fact they are given a scholarship and stipend as a form of wage?

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      They’re not employees under law.

      But anyway, this is all the fairness police and PC police who are bored with life and actively looking for reasons to be offended. Once they “fix” college sports and athletes get paid, they’ll be on to ruining something else under the guise of fairness. It’s all an emotional response with people pandering for political reasons.

      There are also college athletes looking to be heroes, like the next Ty Cobb (free agency), Jackie Robinson, etc. The guy at Northwestern thought he was breaking some barrier.

      The problem is the NCAA organization. They’re actually making profits (20-90 mil per year) off both the university and athletes, via TV and marketing, and for absolutely nothing. They claim the money is used to equip athletes etc, but I’d like to see the salary and salary increases of the people within that organization. I know the president and commishes can make upward of 2 mil. I’m all for disbanding the NCAA. They exploit, and yet at the same time they are completely incompetent in their duties. Have a new governing body, etc. The NCAA also panders to ESPN, who has their dick up their asses — ESPN is single handedly destroying college sports. Well, they already have, we’re just in the decline so we can’t see it. But if you watched the High School game last night, you can see that’s their next target. ESPN will destroy high school football. And they have to. They’re running out of revenue sources and markets to plunder. The high school game last night was a recruiting circle jerk — every play was “the 4-star corner bats down the ball” or the “5 star receiver committed to USC makes a great catch.” They didn’t even use names half the time. Sad.

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        I cannot disagree that the NCAA and ESPN are at least partially to blame.

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    Weber State will have one thing that the Beaver’s will not this season and that’s experience at the QB position.

    http://www.standard.net/Sports/2015/08/29/Know-the-Cats-The-Weber-State-Lakers

    The Wildcats head coach comes from a similar pedigree as Coach Andersen. Both are from the Utah/Urban Meyer tutelage. I’m hoping our secondary (and entire defense for that matter) is ready for the challenge. I imagine they (Weber St) will pull all the stops out on offense and defense to try and catch us off guard (trick plays, etc.) and I hope we’re ready for that. We’ll have to come into this game giving them respect, in the sense that we will be ready for a 4 quarter game and not to let up when/if we have them against the ropes early. Unfortunately that is a marker of a Riley team, to let the opponent hang around, when the game seemed to be in hand early. I think this game will have some sloppiness and some turnovers, I think the difference will be that they will not capitalize with points and I feel we will. So from a prediction standpoint, I see us possibly scoring off either special teams (return) and/or defense (scoop score, pick six). I also see a slow but eventual productive offense. As a team I think we’ll run for big yardage (250+) with several ball carriers(5-6). One thing I hope we don’t and I feel we wont see are 3rd down and medium/long let downs on defense. Using our physicality off the LOS with re-routes (something Banker’s D’s never used) and hopefully being able to get pressure with 3 or 4 on those passing downs. I think both Qbs will be productive for us and both will have some mistakes. The passing yardage will be under 200 yds IMO but the completion percentage I think will be good due to the types of throws (short and quick mostly). I do think that both QBs will throw a couple of deep balls each but probably go incomplete (better than turning it over). I think Baldwin will be a little conservative to get these guys’ feet wet but as they settle in, I think he wants t push them a little bit too and see how they throw the ball downfield (PS- I could see Coach Baldwin running a trick pass play to open up the game and get jitters out of the way-depending on field position). Bolden will probably be the leader in receptions and I think he might throw one as well. Paul Lucas scores a TD (run or return). Bolden on a run. Storm and Brown each get one. And lastly, I think Seth runs one in. So no passing TDs in this one. Plus one field goal. I say our D gives up a decent drive and a score (so no big plays-hopefully) and they get a field goal. So my score prediction is around:

    38-10 Beavs

    As long as we win, I’m happy. but just some feelings I have from the way things have went in practices and the “scrimmages” thus far. Along with a few hunches from the coaches dimeanors’.

    Go Beavs!

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      I think the passing yardage totals could be misleading because of the short passing/long yac tendencies of this offense. But the long ball will probably be mostly absent.

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    So what are people’s honest feelings on the team this year? I want to be cautiously optimistic that we can win some games due to some true raw talent and an engaged and purposeful coaching staff.

    That being said, I heard from a friend who works with the equipment team to expect a rough year; it’s apparently looking pretty bad in there.

    I’m not sure where I fall. Weber St. will be on thing, Pac-12 week in and week out will be different.

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      I’m still holding with my 4 win prediction. Weber St, SJSU, Colorado, UW. Anything less I’ll be disappointed, anything more is gravy. Just excited for a new brand of football but I know transition takes time.

      I’m optimistic since they had Utah St nationally ranked within 3 years. Hoping for a similar timeline with the Beavs.

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      Does your friend think we’re going to just be awful or is he basically saying that we won’t get many wins? In my eyes, those can be two different things. I think we’ll be in every game (meaning not getting blown out).

      Go Beavs!

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        I think it’s more along the lines of what we all think we know – overthrown passes, lots of youth, just not crisp at all. Truly just the side effects of putting in an entire new system and not having a ton of guys with experience. I think we’ll be competitive too but am not sure how it’ll translate into wins.

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          One thing I’ll say in defense is we haven’t seen a good portion of the practices. And I have yet to see (since Spring) true first team (as a whole) vs first team so it’s hard to tell what we’re really looking at. I also will say (as I have before) is that this new staff is going to probably be much better with game management, play calling, etc.. Also, there probably won’t be any slackers on the field (at least not for long), accountability of players will be big. Playing time is a big motivator! Even if the wins aren’t all there, I’m happy if we’re competing. That’s how to start the foundation of a good program.

          Go Beavs!

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      I’m ready for some football! We’ll know so much more in just 2 weeks.

      Bummer that Grimble is out, and I still doubt Isaac is 100%. However, few if any opponents will be without their own problems.

      That said, I see the defense and game management/motivation keeping the Beavs in each game. 5 wins.

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        I didn’t hear about Grimble! Shit! I still think we’ll see Isaac for a few series’ to get him ready for Ann Arbor. I really hope the two JUCO OL can contribute something.

        I agree with your last comment but I still don’t know what to say about how many wins yet. I’m glad we’ll be better prepared period but especially when defending all of these Spread Option teams. Being in the game till the last play can have us possibly overachieving this season :)!

        Go Beavs!

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    Looking at the season from a Riley offense, it looks very bleak. Have not seen a Freshman or Sophomore QB thrive with Riley. But I have seen QB’s from other teams start their first game against OSU and win, Foles, Hogan and become successful. Is it possible that the new offense is easier to learn and a Freshman could maybe thrive if all the pieces around him fall in place? Just imagine if GA can reduce administrative, drive killing penalties. I think GA would have paid the bus fare to ship Remmers off to “anther school” where false starts are tolerated. From that perspective I am cautiously optimistic.

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    http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/sports/college/oregon-state/2015/08/30/growing-pains-ahead-oregon-state/71412448/

    I agree with most of this. Jury is still out for me on the record though. And I think we’ll know a ton about this team after Michigan.

    Go Beavs!

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    New thread up

  • angry angry says:
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    When, not if, college athletes get paid, it is game over. Pun intended. There simply isn’t enough money to go around. Especially for small schools.

    But hey, the fairness police will be jumping for joy in the streets. We can watch that instead.

    This movement is awful for OSU and any small school where resources are scarce.

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