25.Sep.2015 Stanford Post Game Thoughts

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First off, apologies for Kafka-ing into Mike Parker. Those refs got to me. Period.

Beavs got out-physicaled..again. Two times now, so it’s a pattern, but they did look slightly better tonight than versus Michigan.

Speaking of patterns, I said the QB situation would take at least six weeks (maybe all season) to shake out. The pattern with Collins is he runs all over D2 and low level D1 teams, but can’t run on legit D1 defenses. He can throw a slant. He can throw a decent deep ball. He can’t throw much else. Awful spirals, which could explain the drops. So the offense is one step forward, two back with him. Each drive seems to have a wasted down due to his inefficiency. It’s hard to win with 2 downs per drive. Subject to change, but if we’re being blunt, that’s what this guy is, despite the flashes of brilliance people want to cling to. Potential means little unless it’s realized. Consistently good performance > inconsistent great performances. E.g. I’d take Hogan in a heartbeat over Collins. He’s consistently boring and good, rarely if ever great. Collins’ body language on the sideline has become concerning…it looks like moping, as a commenter pointed out.

Bolden continues to make mistakes. He rebounded to a degree and had an okay game, but he’s the Seth Collins of the WRs — a great play here, an awful play there. Just no consistency.

Ryan Nall looked great. Then he didn’t play much the rest of the game. Why?

Again no TE involvement in the offense. For an offense like this to run, there has to be work over the middle and check downs. Can’t throw a slant or fly pattern every pass play.

Beavs D is subject to being pushed around. Again, mental and physical toughness is a problem. I wasn’t paying extremely close attention, but I saw some 3-4, which makes little sense vs. Stanford. Huge gaps/holes for those Stanford RBs. What were Mageo’s final numbers? People were raving he’s a stud. I didn’t see him doing much — every tackle by a LB seemed to be 6-8 yards downfield. I wasn’t impressed with anyone on D tonight. Stanford’s OC called a great game and had them off balance all night.

The Pac-12 really needs to look into the referee situation. It’s a real problem to have refs determining games. Ultimately they probably didn’t tonight because the Beavs wore down, but you never know how things could have been different if they get that proper call.

Overall, the most frustrating game of the year so far. Looking at my list, I had Weber and San Jose as wins, and Michigan and Stanford as loses, so we’re right on track. You’d like to see good loses where the team looks close to making a break through. Beavs didn’t look close in either loss.

I’ll be taking a vacation starting Monday, so I’ll have a general thread up through the bye until I get home. Beavs get a bye at a great time and have a lot of time to get better.

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  • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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    GA interview with Ron Callan
    GA: we just couldn’t slow them down,they won the physical battle hands down, we’ll continue to work on it, but that’s where we are today. All kids played hard, and right now we’re looking for positive signs.

    Ryan’s (Nall) proved he needs to be in there in certain situations.
    It’s a work in progress. But we lost tonight, we got dominated up front, everything lays on my shoulders.

    We have to find a way to get it sustained in all three areas, O, D, ST

    Good individual performances, we have to find a way against those big physical teams to stop the run, that’s a chore. We haven’t been good at that this year.

    about Seth: Seth is growing up, a great place to be as a frosh QB, he seems to be staying very grounded, Seth is a special talent right now, he’s a competitive kid and he comes in and works every week. Credit to Coach McGiven.
    We weren’t prepared to handle their physicalness.

  • scotty says:
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    I’m afraid we’re going to turn into a worse version of the quacks. Someone slap me.

  • seaverbeaver says:
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    Tonight was proof Collins isn’t a D1 QB.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      I disagree. Tonight was proof Collins was a frosh D1 QB.

      • Terri Koberstein says:
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        Collins has potential but needs a lot of work. I enjoy watching him.

    • whatever says:
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      20-36, 275 yards, 1 TD. By comparison, your QB Marcus Mariota’s 4th start: 20-35, 260 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT.

      Yeah, what a piece of shit.

      • angry angry says:
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        Ah, good ol’ stats.
        Always sound for telling a complete story.

        • whatever says:
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          Would you prefer to look at McMaryion’s stats or his on-field performance? Either way, it proves Collins is our best option.

          • angry angry says:
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            7 passes prove nothing. Not sure how many times we have to get into this, but if you try to come to a stat party with a sample size of 7, you’re going to get thrown out. When MM gets out there and throws 100 balls and still sucks, I’ll gladly say he sucks. Right now, Collins is mediocre. MM is an unknown deer in headlights for now.

    • angry angry says:
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      Disagree, he’d be a good backup.

  • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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    He’s a true freshman. What do people expect out of this team, the 9th youngest in the country with a new system and a new coach? It’s bizarre.

    • angry angry says:
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      What do people expect out of this team

      Undefeated!

    • OrangeFlush OrangeFlush says:
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      THIS!

      to the N’th degree.

      hes a freshman, give the kid a fucking break!

    • Terri Koberstein says:
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      My expectations are low as they are so young and are running a new system. I loved the new look offense though and they will continue to improve. I say stop complaining and give them a chance.

  • Fashion Police says:
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    GA interview:
    “I plan to wear a hat instead of a visor the rest of the season. Visors require man boobs. I am against them.”

  • Bill says:
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    Of course you choose Hogan over Collins. Hogan’s an experienced senior who has started for at least 3 years. Compare Collins to other guys in their freshman year for a more accurate comparison.

    • angry angry says:
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      I meant I’d take Hogan as a freshman.

      Collins is a better athlete, Hogan was and is a better QB. It doesn’t have to be Hogan. I’d take any boring QB who completes 65% of passes and moves the chains and can throw more than two routes, who gives us 3 downs instead of wasting one on every drive, etc.

      Collins will continue to get by on his flashes of brilliance, though, just like people thought Mannion was great because he put up numbers and looked the part. We need a guy who just does what QBs are supposed to do. Hopefully Garrettson is that guy so they don’t have to develop someone next year.

      • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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        Yeah, Mannion is so bad he got drafted in the third round of the NFL draft.

        • angry angry says:
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          That means he’s good? I guess Jamarcus Russell is headed to the Hall of Fame.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            You win the internets for a Jawalrus Russell reference. I remember a guy who was taken 2nd in the draft. Right after Peyton Manning. Guess that means he was awesome as well.

          • OneEyedKing says:
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            Mannion was a stud. Playing behind a shit line with no running game(once Quizz left) and awful playcalling. Was there one good player on the offense outside of Cooks? No.

            Great QBs still need lines to play behind. See Andrew Luck this season.

          • angry angry says:
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            Depends what year you are talking about, but yes, there were good players around Mannion. In 2011 he had James Rodgers, Brandin Cooks, and Wheaton. In 2012, Wheaton and Cooks. etc etc. He had some good complimentary players, too.

            Mannion’s slow delivery and iffy decision making made him average. He put up huge numbers because Riley asked him to throw every down. Once Cooks left you saw his mediocrity. Great QBs make average WRs great.

            Mannion is another guy people fell for because he looked the part. Collins looks the part. It’s easy to fool people when guys are tall or uber athletic. People get caught up in the few wow plays and think “if he can only do that every play!” thinking he eventually will, but that rarely happens. The great ones come in and are great from the start.

            I never liked Mannion. I don’t really like Collins. Nothing you say will convince me. These guys performing consistently, converting 3rd downs, making players around them better, and getting big wins will convince me. I’m sure Collins will get a 70 yard TD run at some point this year and people will think he’s great because of it. I’ll think “that’s why he needs to play WR” unless his QB skills improve DRASTICALLY along the way. We have a WR playing QB.

          • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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            Wins is the worst possible way to judge a QB’s ability. It’s a team sport.

            I’m not saying Mannion is great. I’m saying he’s not as bad as you have been saying all along.

          • angry angry says:
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            Never said Mannion was bad, just mediocre and overrated compared to the hype he got. He was bad compared to the numbers he put up, too. You’d think a guy with those numbers would be great, and he wasn’t. Mediocre QB. Rams probably think he can be good if they can coach that long windup out of him, and that might be true, but he still had slow decision making issues. They made Johnny Hekker a great punter, which is one of the more amazing transformations, so I’ll sit back and watch what the Rams can do with Mannion.

            Wins aren’t a bad gauge. Where did you come up with that? A QB touches the ball every snap and has the biggest say in a win or loss. Big wins (which is what I said) almost always require efficient/great QB play, which is why I made that clarification.

            You’re making bizarre statements.

            1. Can’t judge a QB by wins
            2. NFL draft position justifies how good a player is

            I’m biased: I like QBs like Kellen Moore who just get things done and do it every week vs all competition. I also value efficiency because moving the chains is what the job is all about. I don’t care about 4.4 speed, hurdles, rocket arms, height, etc etc. I want a good QB not a prototype of what people think a QB should look like.

          • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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            Hilarious. Do you even know why Jamarcus Russell was a bust? It wasn’t due to lack of talent.

          • Sandiegobeav says:
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            I would take Collins over Mannion for whatever that is worth.

          • angry angry says:
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            I would, too, actually.

          • helmsley says:
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            Kellen Moore fan here, too. I didn’t know Detroit had traded him to Dallas. Maybe a chance there, but I’m not counting on it.

            Re: Johnny Hekker. He has a radio feature – What the Heck – I listened to a little bit of one and thought it was most entertaining.

      • Bill says:
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        Collins is raw as a passer. That was a given based on his hs film. But he’s shown he has a decent arm and could develop into a good passer. I’ve been saying if he gets his completion rate into the low 60s, he’ll be very good. I’ve also seen that the offense isn’t asking him to make pinpoint throws over the middle or higher level throws yet. I believe Collins will bust out for one game this year and upset a ranked team.

        • Numbers says:
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          He ended up at 55.55% again. But I thought I was seeing good growth in both his decisions and production. There is a lot of growth around him that needs to occur as well. I’m pretty happy with the direction of this new staff vs Riley. What would have Riley / Luke DelRio done tonight with the bare cupboard?

    • GoBeavs92 says:
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      Hogan also has had the luxury of playing behind one of the best offensive lines (consistently) in the country his whole career. Give any QB that luxury, with good skill player talent around them and that will make most QBs look good or even great! Put Hogan behind the Oregon State Offensive Line….not so much!

      Go Beavs!

  • Numbers says:
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    -Collins showed improvement, that’s a plus, work in progress with the qb we’ve got.
    -Ryan Nall,needs some more looks.
    -woods is a known quantity
    -Seems like there should be a way to get ball to Lucas with speed.
    -TE needs passing involvement must start to happen.
    -3&outs keep killing this team
    -Bolden, and others have a tendency to dance, hoping for big break, instead of just getting to the sticks first.
    -Dockery is not impressing in on punt returns yet.
    -some flashes on the offense, some remarkable weaknesses

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      agree with all of that. spot on

    • blackbug says:
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      I think the main reason there was very little Nall in the 2nd half was due to Stanford’s offense breaking some plays and getting a lead negating the ability to use Nall in a bruising run game when playing catch up. That and the fact that the 2 runs (I remember) in the 2nd half were 3-4 yards versus 6-9 yards in the 1st half. The coaches may have thought they saw enough to see that this was not our best option at that point. I personally would have liked to see a couple more tries.

    • Shontay Vasquez says:
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      Everyone knows Speed Kills especially when you can get the ball.
      How long do we wait to see this speedster with the ball on the field?

      Punt return?
      Kick return?
      Sweep?
      Hello anybody……

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Postgame Jim Wilson makes a point of saying that Caleb Smith is not in the dog house or suspended but is sick, second week with no snaps.
    I know he was reported as wearing a “no contact” jersey in practice this week but really felt Andersen had simply seen enough of his lack of focus and resulting penalties.
    Could this be the first time “Big Jim” is wrong??

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Only saw the second half. I’ve been a Justin Strong fan but, tonight, saw him exhibit uncharacteristicly poor tackling fundamentals. And not all were due to fighting off blocks immediately before the tackle attempt.

    • angry angry says:
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      I noticed that. Strong had a bad game.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        Stanford first TD he had the opportunity to wrap up the running back but just hit him and the ball carrier bounced off him to the outside for the TD. One of his several whiffs tonight. I stated that in the other thread. Both of Stanford’s first two rushing TD’s that happened. And they would have been stopped for no gain or loss had they just wrapped up and tackled.

        • Numbers says:
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          I agree entirely, those tackle fails are game changers. That just cant happen.

      • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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        I think he’s dinged up (shoulder)

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          Yup. That happened against Weber State too.

          He’s still 100% better than that OTHER safety. What’s his excuse?

  • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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    The team has improved from the start of the season which is pretty much all you can ask for from one of the youngest teams in the nation that’s transitioning to new systems on offense and defense with a true freshman quarterback.

    This is pretty much a developmental year. I figured this was a 4.5 win team and so far it looks like that’s what will happen.

    As they mentioned in the broadcast, you just want this team to mature emotionally (don’t give up like they have in years past), physically (progress as athletes), and mentally (learn the systems). The team can hopefully compete for something great in the coming years.

    Anyway, looking forward. WSU and Colorado still seem like the most likely W’s remaining on the schedule.

    Maybe (but unlikely!) we can get an upset of a team like Arizona, Utah, UCLA, or Oregon. Potential upset alert for Arizona. They will play us after they play UCLA and Stanford. OSU is a potential let down game for them.

    Cal and Washington likely should beat us, but college football can be unpredictable.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Washington? I do agree there has been improvement. On the offensive side of the ball. Defense and special teams are a wash imo. I understand the constraints this coaching staff has due to the lack of talent and depth that was handed to them.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    GA post game presser

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    “You’d like to see good loses where the team looks close to making a break through. Beavs didn’t look close in either loss.”

    While I somewhat agree, but the Beavs looked a helluva lot better tonight than they did against Michigan (Meechicken). They wore down just the same but were in the game longer.

    Who here misses the offensive line from 2006?

    • angry angry says:
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      They looked better tonight than vs MI on offense. Wore down more on D, though. Overall it was a better performance than MI but not by much.

      Let me put it this way: if they played an entire 4 quarters like they did the first half, that would be close to a team ready to make a breakthrough and something for fans to get excited about.

      I’m still excited about GA long-term. Short-term, the improvements are subtle and inconsistent (as one unit improves, the other regresses, etc). At some point things will click.

      • OneEyedKing says:
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        2 big now they’ve worn down in the second half. The flaw of a smaller 3-4 defense; those bigger teams with huge lines are going to break you down eventually.

        GA needs some time to recruit his own linemen. I think we’re also at like 50% on the depth chart currently; so many players hurt/sick up front.

        • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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          Improved performance against a better team then Michigan. I think if it were Michican’t they were playing last night you would have saw a very different game. Very young team making strides.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Got home pretty late so just catching up. Quick has a slightly different take on Collins.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2015/09/electric_quarterback_seth_coll.html

  • Corliss says:
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    Our offense seems to consist of a limited number of plays:

    -fly sweep to bolden
    -storm up the middle
    -Collins keeper
    -Collins limited pass attempt

    Some more diversity would be helpful. I suggest:

    -more NALL up the middle with tempo
    -mix in some ogre formation power run. NALL?
    -involve the TE
    -anything to add more diversity
    -sweep right?

    • Shontay Vasquez says:
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      Everyone still waiting to see Lucas use his 4.3 speed. That kind of speed is sure to help change every game so why have we not seen it yet ?

  • Tlingit Cannon Tlingit Cannon says:
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    I was pretty impressed by Collins personally, kid will be good

    • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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      Did you mean Marcus McMaryion? You’re only allowed to think he’s good.

      • angry angry says:
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        You’re allowed to think whatever you want, but MM hasn’t gotten any time to prove what he is, so you’re being biased again, and while trying to take a jab at me just make yourself look stupid.

        I’m judging Collins on his 4 games and reserving judgment of MM until he actually plays.

        • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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          My “bias” is my opinion that McMaryion is not that good. This is after watching McMaryion in the spring game, a few practices and scrimmages, and the live action he’s seen.

          He’s not a great passer and is not a runner at all.

          Sorry that I disagree with your assessment which is based on a highlight film and a high school GPA.

          You can’t even watch the practices live so you are getting second hand information in your practice reports, right?

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            You can’t even watch the practices live so you are getting second hand information in your practice reports, right?

            For the most part, but I got my hands on some practice film.

            So you are calling Baldwin and GA a liar when they said MM was the best QB and if the season started in August he’d be the guy? They also made some comment like every practice guys would say “hey did you see MM he’s pretty good” or something to that effect and were surprised. They also said he learned the playbook the fastest. And that he jumped from 7th to 2nd means nothing to you? And that he’s throw maybe 7 passes is enough a sample?

            The reports I heard about the scrimmages contradict what you say. Most people say Collins threw poorly in those games and MM threw well. I didn’t watch either.

            All that being said, he has looked bad on most of his 7 snaps. One was a beauty that could have been a TD to Villamin. MM could be awful, but until I see him play a large sample nobody is going to know. One thing I really don’t like about MM is that he seemed overwhelmed by game situations. Some guys do practice well then wilt when the lights turn on in big games. If that’s the case then it’s on to the next guy, but I would rather that be Garrettson than Collins. I don’t really have any stake in MM as people think. He’s not “my boy”, and I will turn on him in a heartbeat if he can’t play the position. It was the prediction he’d jump up the chart and looked like the best option to me that has everyone in a bunch. I still agree with that and wish he’d get some playing time so i/we can find out — I never said he’d be the answer once in games. No way to know that. If he sucks, he sucks, and we move on. Collins kind of sucks, kind of has a great moment to negate the suckage, and has the “potential” (i.e. he’s fast) thing working for him, so he is going to have an extremely long rope. I’d argue too long due to all those biases.

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    Special teams need a lot of work. Return game: awful. Coverage: middling and penalty prone.

    • mckalk says:
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      Did you notice that they quit kicking it deep on kickoffs because it didn’t look like they could get down there fast enough? Also, I’m not impressed with the punter. Beavers are going to give up a TD on punt returns before the season is over.

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        I did. Also, Dockery is a liability on returns. Bad blocking too.

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    Honesty, the poor tackling was a disappointment. I felt like a Riley coached team was out there. Not sure why we went away from the uptempo? I liked the end zone play where they changed formation. Stanford was all confused. Stick to the game plan!

  • GoBeavs92 says:
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    Anyone who pins this loss on Collins or any skill players doesn’t know shit about football! Period! We were completely outmatched physically and talent wise by Stanford but the key was their Offensive Line. They could get a major push in the running game and protect the passer for a majority of the game. That’s something we could not do (consistently). We also do not match up well with Power football teams. If you cannot run the football and stop the run consistently, you will not win the game 99% of the time. Do some the other skill guys need to step up? Yes! but that’s not why we lost the game. Get a clue!

    PS- Collins was 20-36 275 yds 1 TD no picks

    Go Beavs!

    • angry angry says:
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      Fan boy.

      5 ugly passes, 1 beauty, 2 routes he can throw. Not going to beat good teams with a mopey QB/WR hybrid who does that. He also got shut down on the run again.

      I didn’t pin the loss on Collins, and especially not on the other skill players. You read what you want, make up a theory, and then tear down that strawman, apparently. Clearly depth and strength were the main problem. Collins missed a lot of key passes, though, and played a part in it.

      I’m thinking more big picture…can you win consistently with an inefficient QB/WR back there who misses on 45% of his attempts and does the one step forward/two back routine. Don’t think so. I don’t get caught up in hurdles or a few dazzling plays, just results and big picture substance.

      Book isn’t closed on Collins. I’ll watch more. But so far major red flags

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        I don’t think GA would be high on Collins, or even complimentary if he was a “mopey” player. Do you not believe GA when he says he works hard every week and is understanding the offense more and more? Maybe the disappointment shows on his face more than others, he’s a passionate player with a lot of confidence and probably expects more out of himself than he can deliver at this point. The mopey criticism is weak imo.

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          Funny because readers were quick to accuse MM of being mopey after he threw an INT. The MM who was 7th on the depth chart, and according to the coaches, never moped and always asked how he could improve and work his way up. Yet, when Collins pouts and puts on the sour face, people want give him a break and he’s just a competitor. Whatever. I can tell it’s a lot of gushing over athleticism so you guys have fun with that.

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            There wasn’t any gushing in that comment and I don’t think judging facial expressions is an accurate measurement for any of the players.

      • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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        No ones saying Collins is great. He’s a true freshman who threw like 120 passes in high school last year. This is basically a developmental year for him.

        You’re ignoring that he’s a true freshman and that he’ll likely develop and get better as time goes on.

        Look at guys like Masoli or Thomas at Oregon. Tebow, Dak Prescott. These are not good passers, they were not winning games with their arms by making NFL throws. College football can be won with primarily running QBs that can pass decently.

        Obviously Collins is not there yet, but Darron Thomas, for example, played in one game his freshman year where he was statistically worse than Collins, then red shirted. So after about two years of polishing, he was able to come in and be a very effective QB in their offense.

        Collins is forced to be the QB despite not being ready because there’s no other QB on the roster that’s better at the moment.

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          That’s fair. It’s possible I’m being too hard on him as a true freshman. The book [of judgement!] is open on every player and will remain so the entire year. The QB situation is fluid, and the entire team is fluid, and I’m ready to support Collins if he improves. I haven’t seen it. He’s the same thrower (passer should be saved for guys who can pass) as game 1, though. All the same issues.

          One more thing I want to point out: why is nobody talking about the fact that Collin’s can’t throw a spiral? Spiral is a basic of the position and plays a huge factor in accuracy. I think we’re seeing a lot of WR drops because Collin’s can’t throw a spiral. That HS football coach who posts here said spirals don’t matter. Okay…lol. I’ve probably seen more drops this year than all of last year. Not to mention issues the wind plays on spirals, etc.

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        Including multiple throwaways and dropped passes otherwise pretty efficient for a freshman with no run game and one decent wr. How many plays did he extend to keep drives alive. I think he’ll keep improving and look pretty good again zona.

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          Villamin is good. Bolden is decent (72 catches for 800 yards)…inconsistent, but if “decent” is the benchmark he’s decent. Jarmon is very good (in limited action last year, 20 catches for 335). Guyton could be great, or he could get kicked off the team. Drops are going to happen when a QB has no touch and can’t throw spirals. QBs throw spirals for a reason…

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      turd stabber with his theories again. after accusing me of blaming the loss on the wide receivers dropping passes. The lines aren’t the entire problem. A large part of it yes. The entire problem? No

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        Turd stabber? Really mature. If you could pull your head just halfway out of your ass, you might make some sense. Our lines are not the entire problem (although they’re big because that’s where everything starts, on the LOS) but against Stanford, that was the majority of the problem. That’s why McCaffery ran for over 200 and a total of 300 yards. Outmatched, period in the trenches!

        Go Beavs!

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          mature is having a discussion. since you referred to all of us as “idiotic fucking morons”, you are turd stabber. I agreed with you turd stabber. But the lines are only part of the problem. Not the be all end all. A big problem, yes. The O and D lines had nothing to do with receivers dropping catch-able passes, juking instead of running straight ahead, running into a punt returner. There’s plenty of blame to go around. But you took a comment and ran with it stating I blamed the loss on the receivers and dropping passes. Not true at all so you obviously are not overly bright. Listen turd stabber, I’m sure you’re a really nice tranny in real life. But honestly son, you should go back to your butt buddies over at blitz. You’re outmatched and outnumbered here.

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      so how do you explain the first half then turd stabber?

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    This game,despite the result, was encouraging. Sure, I would prefer a fifth year senior in a fifth year offense over a freshman in a first year offense. I would prefer good receivers, a big line and a bottomless pit of running backs. Sideline demeanor? Are we talking daytime soaps and happy faced selfies here? Special Team play, however, sucks. A weak team, with excellent special teams, can compete with anyone. This is the absolute key to Beaver improvement. Unfortunately, this is the Achilles Heal of GA.

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    I understand the defense being inexperienced, probably undersized and thin, but why can the offense look so great for short bursts and then not sustain anything? Is it for the same reasons? They had their way with Stanford in the first half and maybe could have had more points if Bolden gets that first down on the first drive of the game.

    Is that just chalked up to inexperience or is it experienced coaches like Harbaugh and Shaw making adjustments. The Beavs were supposed to have a solid O-Line, so why would they get tired? Shouldn’t they get stronger as the game goes on?

    Fine by me if they go win some shootouts….it’s not like Baylor plays a lot of defense or even the Ducks anymore, but I kind of think the Beavs will need a better O-Line in the future to take it to the next level.

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      To be fair, these O Lineman (though they have experience) are still Riley’s/Cavanaugh’s guys. They also have a lot of bad habits and can take plays off at times. We’re all creatures of habit and when these guys revert back to old ways, it’s not a good thing. Just as we see with the defense. Late in games they revert to Banker-esque arm tackling, bad angles, etc.. To be fair (again) though, Stanford will very possibly win the PAC 12 championship.

      Go Beavs!

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      Who the hell would negative this comment? Tell what you disagree with???

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    While I was watching the offense looked to be doing decent at moving the ball. Yeah, Nall looks awesome; I hope he is more of a presence as time goes on. The D disappointed me, though. I thought they would be the ones to keep us in games, but they had already given up 14 points by the time I started watching, haha… (I was asleep for like the first quarter). After they went up 28-17, I just went to bed. I was tired anyway.

    The only call I didn’t like was that 3rd down where it looked like we got the first down, but the refs put us a yard short. That was a shitty spot. It’s “nice” to hear that some things never change, though; namely, shitty-ass Pac 10(12) officials. Hasn’t it been the same commissioner for the pac 12 for like decades? That fucker needs the boot.

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      That asshole still can’t get a deal with DirecTV for the P-12 Network either. Yeah, fuck you commish.

  • OneEyedKing says:
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    Anyone else get tripped up by this Ant Spammer Plugin? Happened to me twice now. I’d just fill out the form and get whitelisted but the captcha is broken in every browser and doesn’t show what I need to type.

    I post a ton during games and haven’t had that happen until this year. Bummer…

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    I was actually encouraged by the fact I could see improvement in this 9th youngest team in the nation against what may be the Pac-12 champion.

    The score would have been a lot closer if the refs hadn’t made the crappy calls they did… the d-fence stopped them mid-field second half but they spotted the ball to give them the first. To me that was the nail in the coffin second half… defense was too tired to stay in.

    What we need:
    1) Someone to work with Collin on his finer throwing and helping him to learn to check down. The kid has a lot of maturing to do but I see huge upside if coached right.
    2) Just over all team Experience
    3) We need what Coach GA basically said in a round about way in his press conference… better recruiting to be able to play in this league.

    Overall I came away encouraged vs disgusted in this GA vs Riley rule.

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    I am not sure if Collins is a 4 year starter yet but he seems to be progressing. I think if he continues to progress at this rate he will end up being a 4 year player. I agree he is not “there” yet but it seems like angry is really down.

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    Overall, about what I expected, although 2nd half was definately disappointing. I absolutely loved watching Nall running it down Stanford’s throat near the goal line. Not sure why they didn’t feed him again after that.

    Collins had his great moments for sure and I think we’ll continue to see good progress as the season wears on. Not too many defenses like that going forward, so that’s encouraging.

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    They’re improving week to week so I’m encouraged/like what I see. We don’t have the horses
    to go toe to toe with power teams, and 2 of 4 games have been against 2 of the most powerful teams in cfb. They fought hard to the end, but were dead tired. Stanford was runnin the biggest package in football with a line for of future nfl’ers. Combine that with 3 and outs and the d had no chance. This team is better equipped to match up against the spread, which is better suited for our conference.

    Collins is ahead of where I thought he’d be, the kids we were hoping to see (nall, guyton, hungalu, etc) are getting more significant playing time. So many freshman and sophomores making plays (Houston, Valikelamo (sp), hungalu,) that Stanford team would want no part of us 2 years from now, and they’ll probably end up winning the pac 12 north.

    I forsee a huge jump in this bye week. Perfect timing. Excited to see what they bring next game.

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      Oh: instead of being the Stanford Cardinal I will now call the The Stanford sons of NFL All Pros

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      They’re definitely improving each week so far. It’s subtle but there.

      GA said Stanford wore them out more than MI, so that defensive performance, he thinks, was just them getting worn down. I’d agree to an extent like midway through the 3rd quarter is when fatigue clearly set in, but there were bad missed tackles on the first half TD runs, and two guys in position to make a play on the TD catch who both flail. You can’t blame fatigue on those.

      Anyway, GA is on course. Big GA fan. I hope he finds a QB soon. He alluded to recruiting QBs in the interview. Good.

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        based on the interviews it kind of sounds like Collin’s is that guy in GA’s eyes. Maybe he is just saying that because as a coach you have to have confidence in your QB up until the second you bench them. But GA called Collins a special player.

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          Collins is the guy this year, not necessarily the future. Watch the 6:40 minute of the presser. He seems excited about some of the QBs they’re recruiting (Moran…anyone else?) and mentions Garrettson. Doubt GA is tied to him if a better option comes.

          Gotta assume next year will be a competition with Garrettston and Collins. Then whoever he brings in moves to 3rd on the depth chart. If MM is going to do anything it’s going to be with Collins getting hurt this year, otherwise he likely drops to 4th next year.

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            Angry, any chance they use a two QB system next year with Collins and Garrettson, kind of like Northwestern did for a couple of years to some success? One thrower, one runner?

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            I think that’s possible.

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            I surprised my post didn’t get a negative! There’s been a dick in here lately putting a negative on everything I say! Kind of funny, kind of sad!

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    I’ve set up a trip wire 2 clicks east of Peoria Rd and ran it to Harrisburg. Tonight I’m going to start another one stretching from Irish Bend to Alsea, and then go North.

    I have night vision goggles so I can work under a blanket of darkness.

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    Angry, you make a great point about the routes Seth is throwing, but I’ll also point out that while he’s got his moments of blunders he’s not throwing the requisite amount of interceptions that either exceed or are equal to the amount of td’s he’s throwing, which was a RIley staple of any new QB.

    This season is going just as well as we would have hoped. I don’t blame the defense for being tired or outmatched. And the fact we saw more Guyton, Nall (still need more Lucas) is giving me hope that Baldwin/McGiven still have some tricks up their sleeve on offense. If the offense gets more players involved, then I imagine we’re going to get progressively more competitive as we go along and that’s all I wanted.

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    I only watched the first half and 5 minutes or so of the second half and during that time it seemed to me that Stanford was putting a lot of pressure on SC and that was causing errant/hurried throws. Imo the blame for that lies at the feet of the OL AND the formations that Baldwin and crew were calling.

    I’m having a hard time being enthusiastic about the play calling but I won’t start hollering about it until the coaching staff has a couple of recruiting classes behind them. Although I might venture a comment about the play calling that took place just before OSU kicked the FG. I thought the pass plays that were called SUCKED.

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    Since I don’t want to be all negative/doom and gloom (I’m bullish on GA and the Beavs!), I’ll outline a plan to make Collins a serviceable QB:

    1. Throw more balls to the TE
    2. Check down to RBs/better screen game with the RBs

    These are both extremely simple throws that can take a 50-55% up to 65% while moving the chain. The guy would suddenly look good. Zero clue why there is no TE involvement and very limited passing to the RBs.

    We haven’t even seen as many bubble screens as expected. If they want to make Collins look good, shorten his passes to the high % ones, let the playmakers run, move the chains, put up points.

    That’s the formula. It’s better than bombs and slants with a QB run off tackle here and there. Throwing a spiral would help with accuracy issues and the wr drops, too.

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      He has very little touch on his throws, those passes would require more finesse. We would likely just see more throws at the RB’s feet, or passes that sail on throws to TE on pop passes.

      His strength is in his arm strength. He hit the cross and slant, and long passes/flies. But he also is late with his timing almost always. He hit behind and on the back hip on the slants etc.

      He is making progress, but has limitations, obviously. Hopefully he continues to improve in those areas.

      The thing that bothered me most was the botched snap. Easy to make that mistake, but looked on the sideline like he was complaining that the snap missed his hands. Or where he expected the snap to be. Of course it was just my impression, I have no idea what they were discussing but I got the impression he was trying to deflect blame to the snap and not on him, because that was only on him. Tap your chest, nod at your foible and move on bro.

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    BYU at Michigan is making me feel better about the Beavs.

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    Nebraska in trouble…again

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      Yep Nebraska can’t finish this game. I believe they were up 22-0, than started playing with no energy. Sounds firmiliar doesn’t it

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    Forced to punt so. Miss can tie it up with a td this drive.

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    Mikey will find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory…or something like that. I hope the guy, I forget his name, that called me out on the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor can comprehend this one? JB

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    Looks like so. Miss just shot themselves in the foot

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      You’d think this game was over, but you never know with Ranker and Biley!

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    Nebraska back to a one score game. Sloppy penalties and Southern Miss gashing their D.

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    The good the bad the ugly,

    The Good –
    The offense converted both Stanford turnovers into touchdowns. Can’t overlook that.

    The bad –
    Special teams were bad. 2 kick catch interference calls?

    The ugly –
    Had the stanford RB stacked up on the 3rd and Goal and he spins away for the TD.
    D line fails to set the edge and Sanders is off for a long TD run.

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      in fairness, the one ST penalty called for obstruction/running into the returner should not have been called. Backing into a kick team player while back peddaling AWAY from the ball?

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    This Nebraska telecaster is so bad. He said that wasn’t PI on Nebraska, and now he’s accusing a So. Miss player of faking injury

  • angry angry says:
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    Riley throwing the ball on 1st down against a team that has no timeouts left, and under 3 minutes. Lol

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    The spots/refs in the first half were maddening. It probably wouldn’t have mattered in the end, but with momentum being such a huge factor in college football, who knows….

    I disagree with the strong anti-Collins sentiment…think he played about as well as you could expect a true freshman in his 4th game against a really good (elite?) defense. Better than I’d have expected.

    Disagree that he “couldn’t run” on them. He had some effective runs and the threat of his running opened up other aspects of the offense. He actually could have had quite a few more good runs but was making an obvious effort to adopt a “pass first” mentality. Lot of situations where he hesitated trying to figure out whether to keep the pass play alive or commit to running it- that will come with experience.

    His passing needs work obviously, but he’s improving every game and has done a good job of taking care of the football. Also made some nice throws on the run and across the body. Agree that TE and RB checkdowns need to be a bigger factor.

    As others have said, compare Collins to Riley first year QBs. Not just Mannion, all of them. A Riley first year QB was a complete throwaway year with picks galore. As an aside, I thought Mannion played the best football of his career at the start of his soph year. After he got hurt vs WSU, I thought he was never the same again. Lost his confidence and always seemed to play scared after that…

    Bolden seems to have a decent niche as a fly sweep specialist, but I’m tired of seeing him running routes. Huge disappointment so far. Get him off the field- next man up.

    Special teams is a disaster and improvement should be of paramount importance. By far the biggest liability of this team. There were more erratic long snaps yesterday, even though the results turned out OK. Time to move to a new long snapper??

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    we are so undisciplined!

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    Nebraska escapes 8 point win, So. Miss almost had a shot at a Hail Mary but QB got sacked. They should have spiked it there and setup the play.

    This thread is pretty funny after the botched time management.

    http://nebraska.247sports.com/Board/142/Contents/Live-Thread-Nebraska-vs-Southern-Miss-39722112?Page=18

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      Damn, at work, I missed the Riley & Co comedy show. That shit is some of the funniest stuff on tv these days.

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      Boy…looks like a throw back to an AngryBeavs thread.

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      “Run the damn ball. What the hell are they calling? Stupid”

      “Deja vu all over again” RIP Yogi Berra

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      silverstream over there pouring gas on their fire. Ha!

      One poster wanted to gloat that we lost, yet I would say as a group we’re optimistic, even with the loss…by contrast, they are borderline suicidal, with the win today.

      Two years may be more than they can take in Lincoln.

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      Yeah, and this ain’t the Southern Miss of a few years ago, this team has been awful, giving up 60 points to fellow C-USA teams.

  • BeaverNation GI says:
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    Better than watching Sean Mcheckdown and Ryan Kcheckdown and Sean Checkdown and Lyle MCheckdown

  • angry angry says:
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    The other guy people claim is a stud, Mageo, had 6 tackles (5) solo, and the ones I saw were like 8 yards down field.

    Jury is out.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Not sure the jury has come back in on anyone, other than Caleb Smith and maybe the long snapper.

      BTW, enjoy your vacation, you deserve it…I appreciate your work here.

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        Thanks, oldbeav, always the classy one.

      • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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        Is this the Hawaii trip? Have a good time. Hope you get to unplug for at least a week

        • angry angry says:
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          Yes sir, I plan to disconnect entirely.

          • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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            Have fun in Hawaii.
            I am also very appreciative of all the work you do on this blog. It’s been the only realistic place to read about Beaver sports for years. Thanks.

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            Thanks!

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      Was it 8 yards downfield because the DL was getting pushed five yards every play?

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      from where I was sitting in Reser it seemed Mageo had the hardest hits.

  • BeaverNation GI says:
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    We haven’t had a legitimate running threat since St Jackson

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    Riley loses another recruit and several game management decisions oh man haha Nebraska big red Huskers

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      Which recruit did he lose? Someone we can get?

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        I’m curious as which recruit he lost as well. Man watching the Nebraska debacle makes me feel soo much better about the direction we are headed.

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          was listening to the Nebraska broadcast on sat/radio today. the announcers were pretty candid about (1) lifeless bench (check); (2) questionable play calls (check); (3) poor clock management (check), and at one point the crowd was booing. Anyone know what the line on that game was?

  • Numbers says:
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    One area which really needed improvement was in getting the Defense back on the field quickly after a turnover. In the previous games, a turnover had meant giving up points. I was very pleased to see the defense make the stop following the bad snap yesterday.

    Another concept is the final score, 42-24. Got jobbed by the refs, could’ve been 42-31. Wasn’t USC ranked #6 when they lost to Stanford 41-31? I think this staff is making progress. I want to see better special teams play after this bye week, along with continued general progress.

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    This happened tonight right where I grew up. Crazy.

    http://usatodayhss.com/2015/warren-hills-regional-n-j-quarterback-evan-murry-dies-after-suffering-on-field-injury

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    I thought the game was entertaining for the first half, and then we kind of fell apart in the second half. I agree with the above post that we lost this game up front. They looked and played much bigger than we did. It is hard to get a 4-5 star OL and DL and Stanford has 6 or 7 of them.

    I think Collins looked dynamic and I was surprised to read all the negative posts on him. I thought he had his best game as a QB. He still missed a few passes, but I was not sure if that was on him or the timing/rhythm with the wideouts was off. I could see having another Summer to work on that chemistry with the WR will help tremendously. His stats may not show everything, but he looked like a good leader on the field. I could not see the sideline stuff because I was located across the way. He threw the ball well from what I saw and ran when he needed too.

    Where we had trouble was running the ball with the backs. It was obvious watching that Stanford was always getting a push on both sides of the ball. Their OL was pushing our guys two yards back every play. Whereas, our OL only a couple of times were able to create running lanes. We really need ot upgrade the lines. Plus the eyeball test just looking at both teams you could see how much bigger Stanford was compared to us.

    Wideouts continue to be a work in progress. There were too many drops, Villamin had a good game, but outside of him they didn’t get good production. I saw too much juking when they should be continue to move forward.

    The DL needs more depth/quality of players up there, they were getting pushed around all night. THe poor tackling is well documented. Hogan’s one TD was just a brilliant thrown ball and catch.

    Sure wish we had a kicker who could kick it to the endzone, that has been hurting us.

    Overall, it was disappointing to be manhandled up front again, but that won’t change this season. But I was happy with the growth of the program, it was fun to watch until they got worn down. I saw some positives out of their performance. I will finally add that Stanford looked very strong to me and night and day from the Northwestern game.

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      Hogan actually had two TDs.

      The first was to a wide open guy (Austin Hooper? Looked like a TE) where it appeared Larry Scott got burned.

      The second is what you’re probably referring to as brilliant- long TD to a guy that was double covered. One guy made a play on the ball (should have caught it) but missed. The other guy fell down. So I’d still call it a defensive fail…

      Unless they looked different on TV vs live…

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        Yes he did, was only talking about the second. We were close to making the play for sure they just executed a little bit better.

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      I haven’t seen the WRs drop a pass that was a good spiral. Which leads me to believe they’re dropping so many balls this year because the passes are wobbly. Under Mannion, hardly any drops from these same WRs

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        Incorrect, markus wheaton and Caleb Smith dropped plenty of TD passes on good throws by Mannion. Bolden dropped a TD catch that was perfectly thrown pass against Weber. But I could make a case that SC throws a better deep ball than Mannion. Mannion would just throw it up and let Cookie out jump everybody. However, that is just a small sample size.

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          Mannion threw a much better spiral but he was frequently late getting the ball to his receivers because of his long wind up and would throw behind them. Yes, he completed a lot of passes but what we’re looking at here is two receivers (Wheaton and Cooks) who made their QB look good, not the other way around. Every once in a while Collins will whip a ball to a receiver when under pressure with great accuracy and with a tight spiral.

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        For point of reference: Darron Thomas never threw a “good spiral” and he had plenty of success throwing the ball. The threat of the run or pass can freeze defenders long enough for the wideouts to break open, not always requiring a tight spiral just needs to get out there.

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          You make a good point. I mean, Thomas could not make starter on the Portland Arena team with one of the coaches commenting that he had some of the poorest mechanics he had seen from a D-1 level college QB yet he almost led the Quacks to a natty.

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    Bolden needs some personal training from the WR coach on 1st down marker recognition. I don’t care what a receiver wants to try once they have gone past that mark, but until then you don’t stand still to assess or go back a step hoping to make more.

    Bolden has tried 5 times plus this year to go sideways or a half ate back thinking he might get another 5 yards. What the dude doesn’t get is that his team needs first downs period. Many of these are on 3rd down and because of his lack of recognition OSU has been forced to punt.

    Chance for a few extra yards means next to nothing once the chains are moved. Fall forward, lunge for beyond the mark and move on to a new set of downs and increasing momentum while their D tires. But for darn sake don’t stand there or walk off like a goat because you want to try some half step back, several yards around cap only to get tackled short and offense forced to take a seat.

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    Man, UCLA is putting a beatdown on UA.

  • angry angry says:
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    Ducks offense looks like crap. Adams can’t throw.

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    Utah looks tough.

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    Hello

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    Ducks could come back and win, but I think the program so far has to feel like the needle is slowly, but steadily heading south for them. You can pretend all you want, but Kelly and Mariota come along once a decade at best and there is no guarantee the next Mariota is going to Oregon, now maybe Kelly coming back is not out the realm of possibilities..

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    Oregon’s defense has been mediocre since 2013 or so. They have been able to get away with it the past couple of years because the offense was Top-5 elite in the country. That no longer looks to be the case, and a merely great offense isn’t enough to compensate for their defense, at least not if they want to make the playoffs.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    The wheels are coming off the hole wagon.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Fun to watch Oregon get boat-raced. Hurry, somebody call up Fentress and have him cue up the “Every Oregon Starter is Fighting Injuries Tonight” story

  • angry angry says:
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    Scorched earth.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Helfrich is a pussy. CK would have steam coming out of his ears and a spit flying around and shit.

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      and a few dozen donuts

    • beaverfan5 beaverfan5 says:
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      I think that Oregon should make the Duck have to do push ups for all the points the defense gives up this year.

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Eggers tweet..

    Fans are leaving Autzen Stadium in droves. They’re not used to this kind of thing.

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      I would too if my team let the punter break off a 33 yard run

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      had they not jumped on the bandwagon between 2007 and now, they would have

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    Utah’s punter kicks ass

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    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOverrated

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    Over/Under on the score of the Ranker/Pellum match up next year

  • angry angry says:
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    Beavs could beat these guys this year.
    Bad secondary and no QB…I mean, sounds like us so why not?

    • Bill says:
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      Maybe, depends on the progress of the really Collins.

      The next three teams the Ducks face are Colorado, WSU and UW. They’ll bounce back there. But the back end of the schedule is tough. ASU, Cal, Stanford and USC.

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      if the game were in Corvallis I’d be more optimistic about that prospect

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    Okay, on that touchdown, referring to the Oregon D as “Bankerish” would be an insult to Banker. Every single Oregon defender was near the line of scrimmage. Don’t even think Banker would have the D line up that poorly.

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      That looked like the “picked the wrong play” tecmo bowl D

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        That’s funny, there was a play I would run with Barry Sanders and all of the defense would go one way and Sanders would run the other way! The Utes D-Line looked like they were in “Lawrence Taylor” Tecmo mode on a few plays also.

  • angry angry says:
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    Scorched earth. Lock up your women and children, Eugene.

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      I can feel the death seeping through my windows. 2morrow’s going to be cheerful 🙂

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    L fucking O L

  • angry angry says:
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    Wittingham is a ST genius. Man that was good.

  • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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    Wow. Forget the jugular, they went straight for the beheading.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    What the fuck was that???????

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      St. Louis pulled that off vs. the Seahawks last year. Still a thing of beauty though

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    Utah special teams are freaking amazing.

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    RUN IT UP, UTES!!!!

  • beaverfan5 beaverfan5 says:
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    Every coach in the PAC is loving this as Oregon has ran it up for years

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    So OSU offense can’t sustain drives and generally looks out of sync, against this duckie “d” they may score 50

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Even Whit is laughing his ass off

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    So when will Andersen have the Beavs playing like Utah? OSU’s special teams is a weakness but Utah is top notch. Impressed with Whiitingham this year and DE is still no slouch. If GA can get the Beavs playing like this in 2-3 years I will be a happy Beaver.

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      The Special Teams have been a big disappointment. I wish we had access to practice so we could find out how much time they are devoting to it. Because it seems like they are not very prepared each week, there is another screw up. It is a weakness.

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      it has taken Whittingham 4-5 years to build this time (Captain Obvious, I know) but it’s true. It will take Andersen that long to field a 10 win team.

  • Outcast says:
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    Schadenfreude.

    Pure, unadulterated schadenfreude.

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      Two epic Biley losses and now this. I think I might OD on all the schadenfreude *twitch*

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        No Riley

        GA

        Duckie implosion

        This season has been epic so far

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      Im hooked. How do i order two more kilos?

  • beaverfan5 beaverfan5 says:
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    Utah needs to pull their starters. This is when the Ducks will be cheap shotting

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    10 minutes left, utes up by 50, yep, ducks d is for real

  • beaverfan5 beaverfan5 says:
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    Utah should go for 2 after they score again to get to 70

    • mckalk says:
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      You mean the “what’s your deal” Carrol to Harbaugh two pointer?

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    USC crushing the Sun Devils. ASU fumbles at the 1yd line and USC takes it back 95 yd TD. Then ASU fumbles the kickoff at the 5 and Sark’s has them up 35-0 at Halftime.

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      Sark looks like he needs to push away from the buffet table. Going Chip Kelly figure.

  • angry angry says:
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    What’s that fowl smell coming from behind the woodshed?

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    High stepping in a 50 point blowout?

  • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Saw a Utah player spitting into his gloves. At least they’re being courteous and not going in dry

  • WFO WFO says:
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    What the fuck is happening to ASU? 35-0 at halftime?

  • FatDog says:
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    No “natty” is the best news.

  • Gobeavers92 says:
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    75% off sale on all quack merchandise at your local Fred Meyer and Wallmart starting at 8AM tomorrow.

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      Goodwill also expecting an influx of duck-gear donations

    • Whiskey soaked napkins Whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Back again turd stabber? Butt buddies over at blitz don’t want to play?

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    Uncle Phil needs a fucking refund!

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    Anyone know where I can get a Utes tshirt in the PDX area? Need to so wear it all day tomorrow!

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    I usually don’t say this about any player, but I have never been happier to see a potential NFL draft pick get his career shot dead than with Vernon Adams tonight. He’s not getting drafted after this, and he deserves it, the punk.

    Also, anyone know where I can rewatch the full game again? I had to go to a party tonight, so I missed it.

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      The pac channel is running it again at 8pm Monday.

    • Beavlover69 says:
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      Why is Vernon Adams a punk?

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        Just the way he showboated all over Oregon State two years ago gave me the worst taste in my mouth.

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      FCS football is not FBS football. Adams had two very nice games against shitty FBS defenses in his career, but the majority of the time he was playing against kids who IN GENERAL were not good enough to play at the top level of college football, I think the media overlooked that point and kept hyping his performances agains the Beavs and Huskies. This is not Russell Wilson going from NC State to Wisconsin.

  • Ionebeaver Ionebeaver says:
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    Helfrich talking about why they pulled Adams: “again you gotta give Utah credit but it was more so just things, plays that we thought could/should be made. And again that’s on me”.
    Whatever, you lost by 42 points. Give the team that beat you down some credit.

    Fresno State lost to Utah by half that– 21 points (with Wilson out) and lost to SJSU tonight 23-49.

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      Honestly, I feel the Ducks have gotten way too puffed up for their own good over the past couple of years. Hope they stay puffed up when the Civil War comes around so the Beavers can finally end the drought.

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    Angry: The new General Thread link isn’t working.

  • Beaver Juice says:
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    Like A&M to the SEC it is time for Oregon State to seize a greater destiny. Moment could not be more opportune. Stansbury, get Under Armour on the phone and sign up OSU for as soon as the current deal with Nike ends. This is pretty basic stuff. Auburn uses UA to differentiate itself from Alabama and still have its own high pinnacle seasons. As soon as we are serious about stop playing 2nd fiddle to the Schmucks we will immediately dump Nike who will never treat us much more than a 2nd class citizen.

    Ink with UA and form our own identity to outdo them in everything we do. That is how we have a fighting chance to win this state.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    The Ducks lose to physical teams, Utah players said. And while the Ducks have said they’re past that sort of generalization, the Utes brought pressure, hit Oregon in the mouth and propelled themselves into the heat of College Football Playoff conversations that once belonged exclusively to the Ducks.

    “Flashy team,” is how receiver Kenneth Scott described the Ducks. “Flashy and finesse, the double F’s. We are a tough team. They’re a finesse team. In order to beat Oregon you have to be a Stanford-type team, to have power and toughness. That’s their kryptonite.”

    So very true. Everyone has seen this time and time again

    http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2015/09/tough_utah_utes_get_their_reve.html#incart_big-photo

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      Remember when people were declaring that critics had to stop calling Oregon soft because they beat an overrated Florida State team?

      Good times.

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      All the emphasis on outfits and soft play, quacks are downright metrosexual

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      WSN, who called it? Did not expect a blowout though. You said Ducks ain’t losing Eugene.
      No so much! Great way to end a beauty of a day.

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        yeah I was 0 for 2 this weekend. Beavs fought for a half. But Stanford’s ground and pound was too much. I absolutely did not expect that result at Autzen. I highly doubt many did. Nice call

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          I am the proverbial blind squirrel.
          GA has seen the blueprint. Recruit the big uglies.
          Some crazy shit yesterday. CFB is just awesome!

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      Shit, the Quackies are 2-3 in their last five games and giving up 42 points a game……or stated another way…… 6 fucking TD’s a game. Pellum this! Have I been too hard on Banker????

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    Does anyone have a list of the recruits that were at the Ducks game tonight? Any recruits there we also offered that we could swing? 😀

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    DAMN, that was a thing of beauty!!! Duckies could win out and still not make the playoffs — yeeehaaaw!

    But watching them, I think a couple more losses comin their way. Stanford must be salivating… USC maybe, too….

    And who knows — they might be depressed enough after this asswhuppin they lose to a lesser team.

    Like is said above, they rode the Mariota horse the last few years, and now have to stand on their own. And there’s big, mean muggers around every corner….

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    Eat shit nuggets duk nation!

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    Not long after UO ceased cash payments to street agents, their team is going down the tubes!!

  • Beavblazer Beavblazer says:
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    It’s been a flashback to the 80’s this year in Oregon. OSU and UO are in the bottom half of the Pac, and Portland State is undefeated. Tough schedule on the horizon for the Viks though

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      Bottom half? Try the basement, last place, won’t win a game until something changes place.

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      I hear you, there was a time when only the Vikings would be in post season play in this state. My Viks (PSU grad) could never quite get over the hump and win it all, but they were fun.

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    Hey angry: thanks for planning your vacation around the bye week so we don’t have to miss any game threads. True dedication!

    What island did you end up settling on?

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      BDC is sending him to Gitmo.

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        if this were last year, I would’ve taken water boarding over watching football with my high school buddies who were duck fans. I’m feeling different recently 🙂

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      Thanks.
      Kauai. Looks like the weather is going to be okay.

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        I’ve always been scared of Hawaii after that Brady Bunch episode.

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          Don’t worry, I’m sure angry took the lesson to heart: Leave the tiki idols where you found them.

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        Kauai is bad ass, you’ll have a nice relaxing trip.

      • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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        Hawaii is kind of like Oregon: you can never really trust the weather forecast. Depending on how the winds are, it may show rain every day, but it could be an intense 10 minutes of rain then they blow through and you have sun for most the rest of the day.

        Have a blast!

        Mahalo

        • Numbers says:
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          Be sure to snorkel at tunnels beach, north side across the street from the cave. Plenty of sea turtles, lots of fish and monk seal

          • angry angry says:
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            Thanks for the suggestion. We have that marked down as a thing to do. Is it very busy (i.e. a lot of people there)? I wanted a quiet getaway which is why I’m going this time of year…hoping it’s slower.

          • bleedorange says:
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            Its the slow season out here i live on where u should’ve come jk. It starts getting busy around November and the big winter swells come in. Hope the weather holds up for u kaui is the rainy island

  • Jack says:
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    We didn’t play terribly. Yes, SC still has efficiency issues. But more growth in his knowledge of the playbook is the trade-off right now. Once we get to a level where he understands all the base concepts, his efficiency will increase. Anyone who has watched Utah with Wilson at QB (except against Bankers’s Ds) knows that Wilson made SC look like Joe Montana out there… until this year. Wilson seems to have put it together.

    The refs screwed us about six times. And we’re talking serious screws, one involving replay. One would think that today’s refs/officials were smart enough to know that we as fans have these things called DVRs and can rewind and watch at various speeds on our own. That being said, they didn’t screw us 18 points worth. I would guess we would have probably cut the score in half. Make a tackle here and there, and make their QB pay for throwing a poor pass into double coverage instead of them lucking into a TD… and we might win despite the refs.

    We had one bad quarter. SU D made the better adjustments at the half. But our O line actually figured it out (a little late, but they did it). All in all, SU is not as good as Michigan, and that’s with a much better QB.

    Wow! Michigan hasn’t bothered playing in the second half since we were there. What they did to us in the second half once we were worn down they did to UNLV and BYU immediately. Then once up 27 or 28 to nothing (in the second quarter) Harbaugh just puts his reserves in and goes into cruise control. And that Utah loss is looking like a quality game.

    SJSU looked pretty good against a not great team. But that Ervin kid is good.

    Todd Graham is now at his dream job. And I did not expect UCLA to beat down UA. Our loss was only the fourth worst home loss of the weekend in the Pac.

    And now that we’ve gone to the gimmick offense and our ugly… er… flashy unis, power football is back and proving to be what has won forever. I think Utah is the model here, not SU. They have a hybridized power run game that utilizes some read option. It’s hard to say it doesn’t work.

    And this is not to say that Riley ever ran anything power since Chryst left. Oh… sorry… we’re not supposed to know who Paul Chryst is beyond maybe being the uncle of the back-up to the QB who beat us on Friday. My bad. Anyhoo… GA says that’s what he wants. Instead of playing around the edges, he takes it right to those teams who do it well. We get beat up because of it, but you can’t say we’re not better for it. You can look at the frames and athleticism of the Utah kids and see how different those athletes are than the standard Riley athlete type. And you can see those same types coming in the newest classes.

    The linebackers are coming. The D line is coming. Patience.

    • mckalk says:
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      I look foward to it. Do you still see six wins this year?

      • Jack says:
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        After this past weekend, I can’t tell you if we win three or eight this year.

        I’m going to go ahead and put Utah and UCLA in the “for sure loss” category while moving Nikegon into the “maybe a loss” group with Cal. With a bye leading onto UA and Wazzu and CU after that, we’ll know the whole truth before the Halloween game against someone who might be a little angry with us.

        • Jack says:
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          If we go W-L-W-L-W-L-W-L to finish, even that makes sense with our schedule.

    • Go Ducks says:
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      The losses will also continue to be coming.. Nothing is going to change with GA. You may have a good year where you aren’t .500, but that is what you should expect. You are OSU. If we didn’t have WSU in the conference you would be the perennial doormat. Congrats on your continued false sense of hope. Go to Wikipedia, and you can see you suck and will continue to suck.

      Quack Quack!

      • Jack says:
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        Only female ducks quack.

        Good luck sucking this year… I mean in football… not your life… where your self-worth is wholly dependent on football.

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    My phone is ringing off the hook with calls from the 541 area code. Caller ID says… “MHelfrich” wonder what he wants?

    Who would have guessed that my next big opportunity would come from the Ducks. JB

  • AndersenEra says:
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    Time to retire the all orange unis. Haven’t won in them in plenty of tries. Mix orange with black.

  • beavblazer beavblazer says:
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    We appear to have killed the current thread, so might make sense to bring the conversation back over here until Angry gets back. Looks like 718 comments was the magic number.

    • Jack says:
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      yup… now we know how far this hooptie goes on a full tank.

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    Looking for feedback re: the twitter feed.

    More and more guys ask to have their film tweeted as time goes buy. The more I do it, the more requests come in. I’m totally fine with doing it, but wondering if it distracts from the readability/usability of the feed for fans? I’ve found on a few occasions, a coach or grad assistant starts following a player after the tweet goes out, so maybe it’s actually useful to them on some level?

    Just wondering if you guys think I should stop tweeting film, or tweet film only for guys we know are being recruited? Or maybe fulfill every request but only on a certain day of the week? Or just continue as is?

    It does bring new eyes/followers to the site, so there’s also that ti consider

    • Jack says:
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      I say let ’em fly. If we get even one gem out of it, then it’s a great service. We’re open to everyone who has OSU in mind. We may get a star. We may get a walk-on who becomes a star. We may get someone who just ends up loving OSU for whatever reason and comes here to become a contributor to society in general. We may get the friend of someone like that.

      And maybe these kids get looks here from coaches from within the region where they might also fit if they don’t fit at OSU.

      The more the merrier.

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