11.Jan.2016 A lot Hinges on Darell Garretson

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I was talking to Blazer and Beaverkman about this on Twitter. OSU is in a weird position of having a great HC who we all like and want, yet next season or two rides on Garretson being good. Awkward position.

It’s nice to get Moran into the system as an emergency option. He’ll probably be the backup with McMaryion 3rd string. Collins a versatile utility player and redzone QB threat. That’s how I see it playing out.

But the bigger point is that Garretson has a lot of pressure on him. Here‘s all the Garretson film. What do you think?

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  • Beavocalypse says:
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    He has some nice touch on the deep ball and has pretty good awareness in the pocket. Don’t know if he throws the 2015 Beav QB “hospital ball” but I think with different play callers and with the confidence our WR’s will have catching his passes vs Strained Vulva’s terrible passes I think he’ll do fine

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    If Moran is as skinny as he looked in his picture imo he should red shirt. In the video almost all of his passes were less than 30 yards so I’m wondering how strong of an arm he has. It seemed to me a number of his passes would quality as being in the hospital category. BWDIK

    I would not complain if the Beavs brought in a JC QB so they’d have some depth and competition at the position.

    • angry angry says:
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      I think everyone would like Moran to redshirt, ideally.

      If the #2 job is between Moran and McMaryion that will be interesting to watch.

      • JK Beaver JK Beaver says:
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        Garreston is the starter. Maron is viewed as the second best qb as of right now. However he will redshirt unless he is need for X number of games due to injury. I do not know that number. McMaryion will be listed as the number two but really as of right now he sits in the third spot. This could all change by next season. Time will tell… How will Moran adjust to college and will McMaryion continue to improve.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      It was stated in an article this last fall that the plan is for Moran to redshirt. If I can find it I’ll link it

      • angry angry says:
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        I’m sure that’s what they want to do.
        Is everyone cool with McMaryion as a backup, though?
        Camps have a way of changing plans.

        • osbeavs says:
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          If McMaryion shows some growth this offseason I wouldn’t mind him as a backup. He looked serviceable in the civil war. If he really matures by camp he might challenge for starting time.

          I am more troubled by the lack of development from our receivers and the consistent commitment to Bolden. He is consistently good for 3-4 awful mistakes a game. Bolden should be the primary return man and 3rd to 5th option on offense. I am not convinced that we have a receiver on this roster that is truly great, maybe one or two that are “good”. Until there is some growth in that department (e.g. better hands, routes, BLOCKING, and toughness) I just don’t see how this roster competes for anything.

        • Bill says:
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          Moran should redshirt. Having true freshman QBs is usually a disaster. Maybe 1 of 20 could have legitimate success. It also takes away from his development if he doesn’t redshirt.

          McMaryion can back up and Collins can be the third string guy. Unlikely that they would need him at QB next year but you don’t want to waste Moran’s redshirt.

        • Beavlover69 says:
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          I don’t see any reason to waste his redshirt. Even if he is better than McM, the team is a long way from being competitive and there’s no need to burn his redshirt to have a slightly more competent backup QB.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    In addition to what Beavocalpse said about pocket awareness, what I liked is he appears to keep his eyes down field for the play, without necessarily locking onto one receiver. Decent mobility, arm strength not great, but appears adequate. He may have to adjust to faster closing speed of PAC DBs. Seems pretty accurate (in highlights of course).

    In the link you provided, I also watched the BYU upset highlights, thinking it might be one of the better examples of competition he faced. BYU was #18 at the time in that game, and it was in Provo, so good test for him.

    Looks like he started as a freshman, correct? So he’s used to pressure and expectations, even if not PAC level competition.

    As you’ve pointed out, putting most of the chips on him seems unwise; unproven at this level, and even if effective, in the event of injury the cupboard doesn’t look great. I hope they can bring another QB in this cycle.

    Side note, the USU@BYU highlights actually kind of had the feel of a OSU upset of USC….USU with the better video production though – and Zep?

    • angry angry says:
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      It looks like Matt Struck is the only other QB they’re looking at. I think Struck is interesting as a walk on. Very good arm and effortless throwing motion, but his 56% completion rate is concerning. Bad WRs or inaccurate? That’s the problem with film. But as a walkon, I think he has limited risk with some upside.

  • angry angry says:
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    Gina:

    “Oregon State announces Oregon City WR Trevon Bradford has officially signed and will participate in spring ball.”

    Bradford lacks top end speed (at least to my eyes), but looks to have very good vision, hands, and awareness.
    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1475243/highlights/207670380/v2

    • Cake says:
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      Good to get him in early.

      His personal best in the 100m was 10.85 as a junior which is solid. He claims a 4.48 40 yard dash, which would be better than solid. Compare to Sammie Stroughter who ran a 10.89 personal best as a senior and 4.54 at the NFL combine.

      If he can catch the ball as well as Sammie Stroughter, he’d be better than maybe all of what we have right now. I get the feeling Riley wouldn’t have offered him and he’d have ended up killing it at Wazzu or Boise State.

      • angry angry says:
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        Stroughter might be my all time favorite Beav.
        This guy does look a bit like him. Stroughter was a bit more fluid in the hips, and I think a step faster, despite what the numbers say.

      • osbeavs says:
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        Do you know if the 100m and 40 were hand times? That 100m looks like 11.1x and 40 yard looks like 4.7x if they are hand-times when compared to electronic. I know that high-school track in Oregon attempts to use electronic for all races but the equipment seems to fail 30% of the time at meets. Thus, hand times typically are PRs when not adjusted.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      We’re do you get that he lacks top end speed? I didn’t see him get run down once, in fact he pulls away from people so far that he slows down the last 10 yards before scoring.

  • Jim says:
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    True. And even if he pans out, there needs to be a solid backup in case of injury. I am surprised they do not seem to have gone after JCs too hard. Maybe they feel 3M, Collins, and the freshman are competent backups. Or, maybe they went hard after JC QBs, but did not receive interest.

  • alex says:
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    I think Collins could be very successful coming off the bench. His athleticism would make him a major threat if the defense hadn’t been game planning for him as the starter.

    If it’s a short term thing- 1 or 2 games – I like Collins as the backup. Beyond that, I think you go with 3M.

    I guess that’s assuming that 3M and Moran look close in camp, or that 3M looks better. To burn Moran’s redshirt I’d say he needs to look head-and-shoulders better than 3M. Worth noting that throwing a QB in the fire too early can screw up their long-term development. Confidence issues, bad habits, etc.

  • Beav in TX says:
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    Based solely on the rankings, the JC QB crop was weak this year. If you’re a JC QB good enough for the Pac-12 with limited eligibility, you go where you know you can play, not somewhere you’re competing with a fifth-year senior and a guy with starting experience.

    I like Conner Cramer, the current NMSU commit as a guy to compete with DG. He probably wants to start, though.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      I thought I saw that he had already signed and is enrolling early at nmsu?

  • angry angry says:
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    Anyone know what’s wrong with Moran?

    https://twitter.com/Mason_Moran3/status/686596768243384320

    • osbeavs says:
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      Don’t know specifically about him but IgG is reflectively of immunity. He may have a specific immune deficiency though without more info it may be hard to truly say what’s going on with him. I would say that it he seems to have been able to compete through whatever this condition is to this point which is reassuring that he should be able to continue to compete.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      He also has had to deal with a health issue his whole life. Moran suffers from what is called a low IgG. There is not a classified name for the disease but the battle he faces is the fact that he does not have enough white blood cells to fight off infection. It is something now that Moran says he forgets he even has based on how he and his family have learned to manage it.

      http://www.sports360az.com/2015/06/chandlers-moran-commits-to-pac-12-program/

  • scotty says:
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    Anyone watching the National Championship Hype uh I mean Game tonight? They have a Pylon Cam on ESPN3. Gotta be kidding me. I’d say it’s getting ridiculous, but it arrived there years ago

  • scotty says:
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    Okay, angrybeavs proposal:

    Can we stow the sprained vulva talk as it relates to Seth Collins? I know we had our fun with it as a running joke, but with what we know now, he doesn’t really deserve it. He had an injury, recovered, contributed to the team. Sure it looked suspicious at first based on rumor, but I say give the guy a break.

    • Doozeldorf says:
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      Are you saying that we can no longer make jokes about people on here if they don’t deserve it? I feel like this is going to get boring real fast.

      • scotty says:
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        Everyone can do what they want, but I think he got a bad rap.

    • Jim says:
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      Totally agree. Amateur student athletes, and such.

      • Homefry Homefry says:
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        100% agree—he’s playing, we’re not.

      • osbeavs says:
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        Of couse vulva jokes in general should be able to fly. We know how happy it makes the many personalities of Jack.

        Seth is free to go though.

        • angry angry says:
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          He did seem to have a better attitude once he returned from “injury” and accepted his new role. Jury is out. Until he proves he’s not a prima dona, I am sticking to my vulva jokes.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Tuned in to see Mullaney. So far he has gotten some love for his blocking.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Garretson reminds of Kevin Faulk. A little undersized, strong arm. But good feet and good play action. So I am encouraged that he could be just what we need. Efficient QB with the ability to strike when plays are there. We should have enough weapons to be productive on offensive.

    It is a little concerning that these hopes rest on his shoulders, and I wonder if he is up to the challenge.

    Moran could really use a redshirt, needs to put on a few pounds and work on his arm strength. but I like what i see in him.

    • beavers4life says:
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      Jonathan Smith was undersized(and mistaken for the equipment manager by Erickson) and look how we ended up that year? Grant it, we had way better players and a lot of JUCO help as well; but the bottom line is, we’re trending up with the amount of talent we got as ATH, WR, and defensive play makers.

      Players make plays, team wins games; Players Flail to make plays, team ends up 2-10.

      With that said, it’s a new year, another year of weight training instead of “dropping weight” for a lot of players due to the Cavanaugh/Banker effect. To win games, you need agile players, not bulky fatty beefy players.

  • scotty says:
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    No trenchant insights from Opie on the ESPN multicast this year. Well… I guess there weren’t any last year either, but you know what I mean

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Nobody needs a more retarded version of Madden, giving their opinion on a football game.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Just turned on the national championship game. Oregon must have adopted some more school colors for this new uniform combo cause I can’t tell which team they are

  • Jim says:
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    Pac 12 refs representing at the end of the half. Gotta leave their mark.

  • angry angry says:
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    I see this NT game is tied up in the 4th. Worth watching or still a spectacle?

    • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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      It’s been a very good game.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Clemson is going to want that game back. For an unbeaten team they sure make major mistakes.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Their secondary sucks shit.

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          Yup, how do you give up long touchdowns on the same play? That DB got knocked out of the game and that was it. Funny it took half the game for Kiffin to notice.

    • angry angry says:
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      The mighty SEC defense gives up 40 points. lol

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    PAC-12 refs, everyone.

  • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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    Special teams win it.

  • Jim says:
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    What do you know, out of the what 6 units of officials for the Pac, they can scrounge up 7 or 8 individuals who together can form a relatively competent unit. There was one major flub at the end of the 1st half. But other than that, they weren’t a factor.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    OT – Chronicle of Higher Education on college students funding college sports arms race:

    http://chronicle.com/interactives/ncaa-subsidies-main#id=table_2014

    Their OSU data from the searchable database:

    http://chronicle.com/interactives/ncaa-subsidies-main#id=details_209542

    “Methodology

    The Chronicle of Higher Education and The Huffington Post requested athletic revenue-and-expense reports for the years 2010 through 2014 from 234 public universities that compete in Division I conferences. Private institutions and public colleges in Pennsylvania aren’t subject to public records laws, so they were excluded from our research.

    Of the 234 institutions we contacted, four provided reports too late to be included in our analysis, though their data are included in our table. The remaining 29 did not provide reports before publication.

    Our analysis focused primarily on subsidies — how much a university effectively “donates” or invests in its athletics department to make up for a lack of earned revenue. Subsidies can come from three sources: student fees, funds allocated by the school, and government support. Earned revenue includes any income generated through ticket sales, endowments, royalties, and TV and conference distributions, among others.

    Colleges were grouped by conference according to their 2013-2014 men’s basketball conference memberships.”

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      Pretty interesting stuff. What is missing is some measure of how much that 12M that OSU subsidized in 2014 mattered. Was it pocket change? Did the expenditure cause something else to go missing? Was there something else more important that could have been done with the money? Let’s say the tuition could have been decreased by $250/year per student (12M/28K), would it be worth it?

      • osbeavs says:
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        I am interested in the institutional subsidy and what pot of money that comes from. As far as student fees, I have always felt a few hundred dollars was reasonable in exchange for season tickets to football and basketball, not to menton student tickets are in a great location. Other institutions charge significantly more for worse seats (and maybe a ticket fee as well). OSU charges a fair price to students imo. I know people are frustrated by students being charged but why isn’t there outrage over the numerous other fees charged to students as well. I know that I paid fees for things that I did not use but that subsidy enhanced the experience of other students just as students paid a fee for sports which enhanced my collegiate experience.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          OSU doesn’t play hide the money when it comes to this stuff. All the scholarships and capital expenditures are reported correctly.

          So that brings up this question. Why are the sports these kids play not part of their academic lives? I always say they are rewarded for the work they put in with free educations and getting to be BMOC. But they really do put in an excess amount of time which also deserves some credit. We have all these GAs, and I’m pretty sure we know what their chosen professions are if they’re not chasing a real post-bac degree. Put them to work testing and grading these kids in an academic setting. And call practice and games, “lab.”

          I think it’s worth four or five hours if done correctly during the season. I think the SAs already learn something of academic value when participating in any sport. Wrap it up in a syllabus and create a class for it.

          That would balance the subsidy quite a bit.

  • progressivebeav progressivebeav says:
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    Beavs start at #5

    http://www.d1baseball.com/rankings/2016-d1baseball-preseason-top-25/

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Jimmy pushing the envelope and thinking outside the box.
    Michigan considering spending portion of spring practice in Florida, per source
    MLive.com – 2 days ago

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      No one in Michigan should be denied spring break in Florida. I’m sure they’ll get a lot done. Maybe only three arrests.

  • locationoregon says:
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    Cory Hall announcement:

    http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=210628743&DB_OEM_ID=30800

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Very impressive bio! Owned two construction companies and a film production company. Donated $100,000 to Fresno State in ’08 and founded a non-profit charity.
      Without further investigation, I’d say he is high energy and goal oriented. His attachment to GA, to me, says good things about GA.
      Hope he sticks around.
      http://www.gobulldogs.com/genrel/082808aaa.html

      • angry angry says:
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        He seems promising. I remember him as a player…he was pretty good.

  • Bill says:
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    Big bball game tomorrow night. Need to at least split the road games.

    • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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      I’d love a split of these games but will not be surprised if it doesn’t happen as this will be our toughest road series. Both teams are solid but the altitude does give them an edge. Hoping to see the UofO/Cal OSU in both games.

    • angry angry says:
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      Colorado seems like the more winnable game. Definitely need a split.

  • scotty says:
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    After Richard Mullaney interview, callers coming in with the same old Schnellian lazy narratives again. Smh.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Canzano makes the brilliant statement that a lot depends on QB for the Beavs; and the obvious observation that Mullaney wouldn’t have made much difference to the results this year.

      I didn’t hear all of JoeBeav, but did hear Tumwater Dave’s decisive counter to Lindsay’s “no airport” fixation.

      Every time I think I’m about to put Lindsay out of my mind (along with the StHC sprained vulva thing) somehow the topic comes up and I remember all her put-downs of Corvallis/OSU.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Here are a couple links for the new commit, LB Shemar Smith out of Miami.

    https://twitter.com/timetoprove_11

    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3779042/highlights/185839376/v2

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Off topic

    The Rams are moving back to the city they left after the 1994 season. The LA Rams are back

    • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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      The only way I’ll be okay with them moving is if they use this as their fight song:

    • angry angry says:
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      Does this take any wind out of USC or UCLA now that they’re not the only game in town? I realize historically that wasn’t true when the Rams were in LA, but maybe times have changed.

      LA is not a very good sports town.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I think LA has long had more value to the league as threat leverage rather than fan base and tv viewership.

        They’ll move there, fans will lose intetest…they’ll move away…repeat…

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          Yup.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Yes, but it’s the Rams. There are likely more of their fans within 50 miles of LA than there are in Missouri. The merchandising alone will be a windfall. Their gripe was that they never had a stadium. And I’m not talking about stadium stadiums. The Rose Bowl and the Coliseum are two of the best stadiums in the world as far as viewing events are concerned.

          This guy is being subsidized in a stadium build in LA only in terms of allowances from regulations. He’s building his own stadium. And he will easily recoup the cost.

          And players will want to play there.

          For the near future, they’re going to suck. They had who I believe is a HoFer RB, and they sucked so hard that he is just shrugged at when that question comes up. That’s how bad they have been. But a new stadium, a homecoming and an event atmosphere that will likely thrive in a city of events will make them viable on the field, not just in the ledgers.

          And hopefully the Beavs will get to play there often. I can see USC and/or UCLA benefiting from this by taking advantage of the new venue. And I’m sure some bowl games will want in on it.

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    I’m really liking Kaelin Himphill. Looks like he enjoys playing linebacker.
    http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3735404/kaelin-himphill

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      I like him too, but I am not feeling him as a signee. Some think he’s a soft verbal, but I don’t know if he wants to be here 100%. I think he is looking around for another/better perceived offer. Arizona and Utah have both offered as well. He is a beast for sure. He is a gym rat looks really cut, and sometimes those kids come in more focused on the workouts then on playing. But I would rather have him sign later then commit and then flip. My 2 cents.

  • angry angry says:
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    Lawrence Phillips, dead.

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      Possible/probable suicide in his prison cell; his demons too powerful to overcome.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Meh, beating up your girlfriends and trying to kill kids with your car isn’t demons. He was the demon…..or asshole…whatever you prefer. At least he did the tax payers a favor.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Let’s get back to this Garretson thing.

    I don’t know if that much hinges on him being more than serviceable. Watching the way the new wrinkle became the new offense in the CW, I could see scenarios where that’s all we need. Granted, Nikegon’s D is not one that will clamp down on and take advantage of poor play. So MM doing what he did in the second half was both questionable and good. But it’s the QB2 situation that makes the QB1 situation so interesting.

    All we need is for someone to manage the game, someone to move the chains in the middle of the field without making mistakes. The QB2 can make chunk yardage plays with his arm or his feet every now and then and then. Or he can line up in any scenario as a QB1 and put the D on its heels.

    That means we can take chances in QB1 recruiting. If one sticks and become better than serviceable, we have talent all over the field. If one becomes great, we get to enjoy that. But those who do not pan out are in the mold of SC… or maybe some other inside receivers that used to be QB1s. Weren’t some of our TEs QBs in HS?

    I wonder what Jordan Poyer could have done at the QB2. He likely would have been awesome.

    Anyway, having more positions like this is a gamble. But it’s college football. That kind of risk can easily pay dividends for a long period.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Drove me crazy they wouldn’t let Poyer run the wildcat…

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        I think he actually ran the wildcat in a game his senior year.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      My feelings on the general premise of a lot riding on Garretson…

      A lot always rides on the qb. I’m not comparing Garretson to heisman winners, but post Mariota hole, post scam Newton Auburn and post Tebow Florida of teams dropping right back down to decent from “omgzorz unbeatable elite dynasty” without their guy taking snaps.

      I’m not saying a team has to have a heisman winners but having a playmaker can mean all the difference.

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        I’m telling you we’ve seen the future. QB1 does not have to be the man. QB1 just has to distribute correctly. If QB1 does happen to outplay QB2, then so be it. But we have a recipe for confusion that may set back NFL football even further than the spread has done.

        Although, it’s hard to argue the spread in college hasn’t killed NFL football. People just don’t know they’re watching a totally sucky product now.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          No agree with you. I think Garretson with do just fine and I think 3M can make strides and be a quality qb. The “what the fuck is this guy gonna do?” Factor of Collins could definitely be the difference maker.

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            Cool… I’m also saying people like Togiai and Vanderveen can make these kind of plays. They can line up at RB and do a jump pass off a dive. They can be QB1 and quick flick a backward pass to SC on the flank. They can even drop back once in a blue moon.

            That has to be an immense project changing the way football has been played forever. There could be a couple years where nobody can figure it out. With so many options, I don’t know that it can be contained fully. I used to think trick plays were great when executed perfectly with perfect timing. I now think if they’re done every other play tey can be huge as well. The old thought was that you get chunk plays when they don’t expect it, sometimes scoring. Now, I think you can break a game open with nothing but gimmicks.

            It’s sort of turned my expectations for football upside down. It makes the sport less boring thinking that “tricks” are wholly endorsed and implemented as a system themselves. I can go for a team that makes everyone else look like the Washington Generals. And now I’m thinking we need to celebrate wins with buckets full of confetti dumped on the coach.

            edit: Yes… I’m the one setting myself up for disappointment next year.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Gina’s exit interview with Brennan:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/01/brent_brennan_oregon_state_rec.html#incart_2box

  • Hi_I'm_Chuckie says:
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    Garretson looks solid to me. Maybe the anxiety is coming from not having any depth at that position. He throws a good deep ball, good motion, good feet, can throw on the run, good play action. Idk,his running probably surprised me the most, he looked a lot better than I expected based off of people’s comments… To me he looked to have decent speed for QB and actually is pretty shifty… Maybe it’s because I am so used to flat-footed QB’s like Mannion. IMO, we would have won a lot more games with him at QB this year. Also, if I am not mistaken, it will be 2 years since his sophomore season at USU, so he should be even better. I am not concerned about this team with Garretson under center, now if he goes down we will be having a much different conversation.

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