Tumwater Dave miffed that remarks were made here about him “only” being a fan since ’99.
Seems to me his bona fides are proven by the fact that he has attended all 3 game this season, and stayed for the second half Saturday when many did not.
BTW, he snuck into a terrace seat and appreciated the view, says it will be even better for night games.
I think if DG was pulled in the second quarter, things might’ve had a different outcome. Then again, it was the second quarter when the offense really became inept and stale. Hopefully the Starter on Saturday will be the best QB to give us a chance to win on the road.
Other than a short clip on the Oregonlive webpage I can’t find video of Andersen’s post BSU presser. It’s not on the OSU website so is that it? Is it the policy of the athletic department to not put up video of the post game pressers?
Re the QB situation: Apparently we had a situation where Garretson’s timing and execution weren’t what the coaching staff expected in the last game.
Can Garretson improve re timing and execution? I would think so unless he was having those issues because of the pounding he’s taken up until now.
Imo an equally important (perhaps even more important) question is can the QB coach coach up Garretson w.r.t. timing and execution?
I don’t recall a lot of improvement in last year’s QBs so is it possible the team needs a new QB coach? It’s too early for an answer and perhaps even too early to be asking that question but what the heck, I’ll ask it anyway.
Yeah, I guess I would down vote the loss of a great young talent who meant more to his community than just his athletic prowess. Let’s not add the incredibly personal show of emotion by his teammates during the game, and Dee Gordon’s show of respect, followed by his first HR of the year.
I will caution the QB expectations, thought Blount played good, but he missed some reads and looked tentative after the first couple of series. I think the longer he played the more mistakes would have been made. Maybe if he gets a full week of practice with 1’s he will be better prepared. But I didn’t see enough that would suggest he is the next Jonathan SMith
I’m going to add to this^ I’m seeing our receivers getting hung up in coverage a lot more than in the past. On press coverage they just aren’t getting open fast enough.
Now we can blame some of that on the oline not give the QB’S enough time. But I’m suprised that we are not throwing more quick slants with as fast as the D-ends are getting up the field. Good example was the strip on seth, that play not thrown into the short side of the field is 5-7 yards a play if the corners are right on him. It just seems like there are tweeks that can be made to take advantage of constant blitzing I think we are going to see for the rest of the year.
“constant blitzing”, yeah, I think we can look forward to plenty of that the rest of the year.
In the presser video above, around 17:30, GA touches on identity and seems to conclude that a lot of this teams identity will revolve around running the right routes which fit with the time the QB can be protected. Seems to me he recognizes the weakness of the O-line and we should see the tweeks you are looking for; ie: slants and screens. With talk like that it is hard to imagine much emphasis on the longer pass attempts we have seen.
Now, if he’ll adjust the run game to reduce the side-to-side, time eating plays.
Big Boy FB, save the fly sweep and home run ball for a surprise after you’ve ground out the shorter stuff.
“save the fly sweep and home run ball for a surprise after you’ve ground out the shorter stuff.”
The problem is, the shorter stuff you mention has been hit and miss. How many times have we seen 3rd and short or 4th and short and Nall gets no gain or tackled for a loss???
As we all know, it starts up front on both sides of the ball. If you have a shitty O line or D line, your chances of success diminish. A QB can’t do shit if he’s on his back. The short routes don’t work when the defense doesn’t respect getting beat over the top and they’re crowing the LOS. Play action doesn’t work either. If the run blocking sucks, well good luck running the ball. You can certainly bring in another TE or two but what if they suck at blocking as well. Or a RB as extra pass protection that can’t block worth two squirts of piss.
I’m seeing the same weakness on the D line. 3 down linemen that can’t shed blocks. Which opens up running lanes that linebackers have to react and fill or chase and tackle (poorly). I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The talent on this team is NOT capable of running a 3-4 scheme. Honestly idk what the answer is. TCU makes a 4-2-5 work pretty well at defending the spread but your secondary HAS to have great cover guys who can win 1 on 1 battles. OSU doesn’t have that luxury. If it were me, I’d put the 4th down lineman in there and roll the dice on helping with the 1st few yards at the LOS than a ljnebacker pursuing a RB from behind that has gotten thru the defensive front.
Face it, talent deficiencies on both O and D lines is killing this rebuild. I understand there’s been injuries, illnesses, disease and other unforeseen circumstances to some of the players. Not calling any of them out here. It is what it is at this point.
Offensive and defensive line recruiting needs to be a top priority right now
Agree, seems silly. Andersen’s seat isn’t warm at all, at years end though, Uncle Phil will be looking closely at “Helf”
OTOH, here is a guy who makes the case that Andersen’s future is pretty murky when compared to other coaching changes in the PAC12 over the recent past, saying, “Andersen’s four-game drop (from Riley’s last season) is the most precipitous of any current Pac-12 coach in his first year.”
His analysis overlooks the fact that those other schools have an airport in place!
You don’t get the sense that his seat is warm at all because it isn’t. No one is getting fired after this season either. If the flames from the dumpster fire that were in place when GA got here are still going after 4 years then we can talk about his seat getting warm. Until then, it’s just some idiots ill informed opinion looking for clickbait. Want to see a program that was a similar dumpster fire that is finally getting on the field results? See this weekends opponent.
After 3 straight years of finishing dead last in the Pac-12 south, with one more win this year Colorado will have equaled their highest win total and doubled their conference win total since McIntyre took over.
2013: 4-8, 1-8
2014: 2-10, 0-9
2015: 4-9, 1-8
The question is, was the Oregon St program as big of a dumpster fire when GA took over as CU was for McIntyre?
No it wasn’t because when McIntyre was hired, CU was already very bad and had just fired a coach after only 2 years. However, OSU is currently pointed at dumpster fire territory.
I’ll give you that. After Dan Hawkins was fired they allowed Jon Embree to take over and continue the downward spiral for two more years. He only made it worse. The Buffs may have had equal or worse talent across the board. But the situation remains the same. A foundation has to be put in place first and then built upon. They also recently upgraded football facilities after not doing so since 1991. There are similarities to keep in perspective.
What will it accomplish?
Seems to me vets calling out newbies (some pot calling kettle black) could be the start of disruptive finger pointing. But, we only get limited bits of what was said and by who.
Examples from Greif’s report:
“Some of the young guys are so much caught in the hype like we have all the unis, we always make it to the natty or whatever…
We were advising the young guys that it’s time to grow up, it’s time to step up…because we have too many young guys we can’t trust”
Duck players getting caught up in the hype multiple uniforms, etc..?
What did they expect? That’s been one of their major selling points to recruits all along. Of course the players are caught yp in the hype. It’s what they were attracted by.
No. It was worse there. And they had to abandon their Big 8 recruiting footprint, for the most part, when they moved over to the Pac. Our rebuild will be different without the established QB for the first two years. I’m assuming Moran is being groomed to take over next year, and Garretson and Blount will be given ample playing time this year.
Blount throws a nice ball when rolling to his left. If Garretson can pick up that throw (and start moving the pocket more) he should be somewhat serviceable this year. The D is starting to come around. But those missed tackles are just lousy to watch. Although, I did chuckle when Irvine made a great play to hit a receiver at the point of the catch… then fell off the guy.
Run blocking techniques
Nall running forward instead of shifting side to side
Nall lining up 2 yards behind QB instead of 3-5 yards on short yardage plays
Run blocking……If we aren’t grinding in the trenches better from here on out we are going to win zero additional games.
I am excited to see what Blount will do on this team. I like Garretson, he was better than our options last year with the offense we ran, but he hasn’t been very crisp this year. I get that the O-line has issues, but Garretson hasn’t seemed as mobile as advertised.
While we haven’t turned the corner, I think that the corner is in view.
per Gina tweet:
Harlow has been moved off scout team and is practicing, could play Saturday or could still redshirt.
Lot of discussion above about OL, Getting an effective Harlow would be a HUGE shot in the arm, but does it come with a cost of losing him later because he came back too early or just having him for 2/3 of the season?
Having him for half the season would be great. He’s probably burning up watching the line as it is, thinking to himself that it would be better to be out there when he’s ready instead of socking away an extra year. I imagine he’s on track for graduation and doesn’t need to stick around for that year anyway.
anyone watching Stanton getting absolutely bulldozed back into Garretson who was taken down not so much by the left Defensive End’s one arm tackle as the impact of Stanton being pushed into him can understand this decision. Andersen has concluded, I believe, that without Harlow he’s going winless in conference two successive years and realizes further how that would kill recruiting.
OT: Good News, Danny reports Casey not interested in the AD job.
Quotes Casey, “My whole commitment, my whole interest right now is the baseball program.”…”I haven’t talked to anybody about the job,” … “I’m a baseball coach.”
He shouldn’t have had to be the assistant AD for baseball for all those years either. I don’t see why he would want to become some pencil pusher when he can just coach baseball… which has been very very good to him.
Seriously, what does he do to try to keep this team focused and motivated? Apparently most players do not have their “big boy pants” on, or do not want to play “big boy football,” so he can’t talk about that (thank god)….he can’t tell but a few players “good job!” and he can’t say “Great win!” yet…so what’s he going to do? Singing the fight song to 20 fans after a loss is going to get old.
Conference play is just starting so I think if he really wants his players to buy into his system and not tune him out, he needs to return to his keys to winning; play great defense, take care of the ball, score in the red zone, play great special teams and win the 4th quarter. He’s got to speak to them in ways that don’t result in him losing his players as the losses mount. He can point to the recent special teams play as an example of addressing one of his keys and hopefully encourage good tackling and scoring efficiency as tangible progress at CSU.
I don’t know, I kind of tune Anderson out when he goes down these types of “motivational roads” Doesn’t it ultimately boil down to whether he has P-12 quality talent and then what he and his coaching staff do with it? I doubt he truly believes he has the talent yet, so is he still bitching about Riley’s players? That’s why in my mind, it’s all a bunch of noise and coach speak until you get to year four or five. If the team is still in the same boat, then he either can’t coach or he can’t recruit (or both). Waiting is no fun, but it’s all we can do.
I agree the talent is the challenge. But hell, league play hasn’t even started and he’s out of things to say?
If those things are the tenants of his “vision,” then he needs to stick to them and show the players that if they respond they will see progress.
9 games left and somehow he has to make sure that talent he has recruited doesn’t tune him out, and that he show the kind of leadership that will attract recruits to a program that isn’t going to be winning for a while.
What else is there to say? Go out there and play to your best effort. If you don’t, you know what will happen. And even if you do and that’s not good on that day, you also know what will happen.
With one it’s personal. With the the latter it’s just grinding it out as a team.
He’s not in it for moral victories. If he was, he would have continued to run the ball in the second half despite Boise loading the box and playing the edges. We still would have lost. We would have looked a little more positive overall.
But the game isn’t the time to practice to get better. It’s time to try and win. We were crunched by time and the reality that we probably couldn’t even take what Boise was giving us. And the D was in a good mood for a long stretch. They still had something to say at that point.
We had a lapse in the first half where the score was run to beyond two possessions, and we couldn’t grind until we were over the hump. Eliminate the lapses, and keep grinding.
That’s what we got for now. There’s not much more to say unless we move out of that state in either direction. I see it as more of a positive, as a foundation being set. It ain’t pretty, and most people can’t envision the final product. But it looks square and plumb. All you do is build on top of that.
My feeling is that Harlow is more the kind of person who would rather go out in a blaze of glory than sit on a bench for an offensive series. You’ve seen him play. If there’s a football game going on, he’s looking to hit someone. I’d rather he not do that on the bench.
He probably has personal plans associated with this being his last season, and a rehab and short season would put him in great shape for pro workouts and that possible future.
Every player is alotted 4 tickets, plus they can pass unused tickets to other players if they want or have an opportunity to buy tickets if all are used. Travel and lodging is obviously not paid for…….
Full panic mode or a recognition that something has to change? This seems closer to being willing to work and adjust with the resources at hand. Would ya rather be talking popsicles and slip-n-slides?
I’m not sure Harlow, alone, can be the difference we are looking for, but he certainly would seem to be a step in the right direction. Jack’s made a pretty good case for playing him, if he’s healthy, go for it!
Full panic mode, to me, would look different. Like removing an assistant or starting a game with 11 guys who haven’t yet had playing time.
OTOH: Some might say that putting a walkon QB into the middle of a game w/o having taken snaps with the first unit would define “full panic mode”.
On a side note and somewhat cynical. Last season’s second half against the Ducks gave me some cause for off-season optimism, but that in hindsight I think was Fool’s Gold.. That offensive burst seems to have mostly spoken to how historically shitty the Ducks defense was and continues to be. An aberration one can’t really take into account when looking at Beav progress, so the baby steps continue against vastly superior defenses.
“Andersen added the Beavers are still adjusting to how much protection the quarterback is going to get on a given play, which also affects what routes the receivers can run.”
The short answer is zero seconds. The qb can expect to get zero seconds of time on any given play before Stanton gets run over/around.
The Beavers coaching staff should not, just now, be adjusting to how much protection the qb is not getting, two games were enough to see that, let alone three.
Screens, draws, short passes, slants are your friend, coach, have the fellas reach out if they need any more help.
This is true, and it’s exactly why you play Harlow if possible. That extra 2 seconds that he may afford is the difference between pass execution and a sack.
“…The Beavers coaching staff should not, just now, be adjusting to how much protection the qb is not getting, two games were enough to see that, let alone three…”
I agree and imo, this doesn’t speak well of the OCs.
It just might turn out that GA’s biggest flub was which assistants he hired and what jobs he gave them. You’ll note I said “it just might”.
Speaking of OL and DL, this from Danny’s Q&A with the CU beat writer: “Beyond QB, I think the most pleasant surprise for CU is that their offensive and defensive lines – which have been pushed around for years – have played very well.”
“Pleasant surprises” coming for the Beavs………..some day?
For the 2 recruits redshirting would be ideal, but 1 of them is at 300# already and Mackay, the other, is close to 285#. His weight is misreported on many sites according to what I have read.
-Harlow may burn redshirt, may get more info on radio tonight
-Garretson reported to be 100%, Blount #2 on depth chart
-Casey says he doesn’t want the AD job
-Casey and Steven Jackson on search committee…no sign of Tumwater Dave.
-GA indicates “identity” will revolve around calling plays (pass) which account for the amount of time the OL can protect the QB
I think that’s the main points over the last few days.
GO BEAVS!
Welcome back angry!
I was visiting family last weekend and missed the game in person and on TV. I heard that Jay Irvine played a bit and recorded 4 solo tackles. Just wondering what the circumstance was that brought him in? Decoud injured, helmet fell off, or sat out a quarter? Depending on the answer I may have some info about this.
Not sure of the circumstances, but could it have been the Jalen Moore suspension for the targeting call against Idaho State, which allowed Irving to get more playing time?
Decoud is a hot name on draft boards right now. His stats are pretty insane. We’re going to need him against Bobo. That kid has sticky fingers.
I think it has to do with Irvine taking that spot and Crawford playing the nickel/rover and backing up at CB with Williams. Is Wallace a definite redshirt?
*** An update on the academic eligibility saga of incoming freshman linebacker Isaac Garcia. With OSU’s fall term beginning last Wednesday, Andersen said Garcia is “not currently” enrolled in classes but “we’ll see as we go through that process.” Garcia, who has been admitted by OSU, arrived in Corvallis during fall camp and completed the “BEST” student-athlete immersion program but has not been cleared to practice by the NCAA. According to Pac-12 rules, if Garcia begins classes at OSU and is ultimately declared ineligible by the NCAA, then he’ll be permanently ineligible to play at any Pac-12 school.
For those upset about the OL: this has been posted here before but in case you missed it to say our line has had the “Luck o’ the Beavs” is an understatement this year. Injuries and illness have been at an all time high. In college you only have so many scholarships to pass around. Can’t go to waivers or free agency mid season and just pick up seasoned players. To contingency plan for all of this would have been impossible: http://www.espn.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/103961/through-injury-illness-and-tragedy-oregon-states-o-line-perseveres
Regarding recruiting: they have 33 offers out to Offensive Linemen in the 2017 class. It’s not like they aren’t trying.
We also have some highly rated guys on the roster that aren’t injured that don’t seem to be cutting it? Delp, Fifita. Tough when you’re few 4 stars are whiffs.
Repairing the OL through recruiting will take years to pan out, especially since we whiffed on most of our targets in last year’s class. JUCO appears to be the best and necessary route to patch up the dam right now.
Along those lines, you don’t typically hear about the JUCO offers that go out because those guys don’t self promote as much as the highschool kids. Nobody knew JUCO DT Craig Evans was even on our radar till Friday of last week when he announced he would be coming for an official visit. I say this because it may look discouraging when looking at the lack of JUCO OL/DL offers we have out there, but that doesn’t mean we’re not recruiting those areas hard right now.
Also, where’s Miki Fifita? He looked promising out of highschool, but I never see his name
GA talking about getting the ball past the 50 and getting no points, including the 2 turnovers. To me that’s the difference in that game. Reminds me a lot of Riley teams. They’d always move the ball then stall when they needed a clutch play to score. I’m not sure how to break that trend…better players, probably.
Easiest step to make is when in field goal range after a turnover, don’t run plays that would risk losing big chunks of yardage. Didn’t we run a reverse with Bolden which resulted in a big loss after the first Boise St turnover? Followed by a QB sack for another big loss?
Having the ball at your opponent’s 20 should be at least a gimme field goal. Teach your offensive coordinator to stop shooting himself in the foot with risky play calling.
A lot of schools further along in the rebuilding process would be interested in him. Everyone knows he’s a good coach in a bad situation. He could get a lot of jobs.
You’d think that leaving USU, Wisconsin, and OSU so quickly would reflect negatively on him. I’d certainly have to think more about hiring a guy who has hopped around so much.
Seems like it’s more likely that Tinkle leaves. Apparently he was very close to taking the Stanford job.
Angry, do yimiu remember a post you made awhile back about OSU donors? Something like a list of our wealthiest alumni?
Wanted to check it out and dream a little. Maybe as fans, we can band together and harrass our wealthiest alum into contributing to the program. I’m getting impatient with the slow rebuild route. Not getting any younger and I want OSU to be relevant sooner than later.
To build off that, I was doing a little reading last night and came across this story about Kenny Austin, the found of A-Dec Dental Equipment. He’s one of our wealthiest alumni, but what i didn’t know, is Kenny was the first “Benny the Beaver” mascot. You know that picture you use for your twitter profile? That’s Kenny Austin. Also sounds like “Benny” was given that name because it was so similar to “Kenny” Check out the link below. Pretty cool stuff
I have met Ken a couple of times at some trade shows. He is really a great guy. His company, A-Dec, is the equivalent of Mercedes in the dental equipment field. The engineering of their products is always fantastic and the stuff is built like a tank. Original Benny and his wife created a world class company.
Back in my days of machining I made many of the dental parts you speak of for Adec (Dental components incorporated being the other company). So there goes your theory of built like a tank. Kidding of course. Thanks for that wonderful stroll down amnesia lane
For some reason the links are missing. I think it was due to losing the post via an error and then pasting it from Google’s cache. The links went missing in that process.
Maybe in the comment section people chime in with more names. But we do seem to have fewer donors than most programs, and the large donors we do have don’t seem generous (yes, I realize they just raised a lot of money a few years ago, but in general they kept their wallets closed for decades).
Then again, Paul Allen graduated from Washington State, and he doesn’t seem to do much at all for their football program. Maybe rich people just don’t care about football. They’re probably too busy doing business and living life.
Wes Edens, the Milaukee Buck owner, who is working on a deal with David Beckham to build a soccer stadium in Miami………sigh……
Doesn’t Beckham have other wealthy friends to help him out? We need Wes Edens interested in Corvallis.
Jen Tsun Huang hasnt disassociated himself with OSU at least.
Seems like am approachable guy too. Here he in om campus, sharing stories about asking investors to fund his company as a startup. Seems appropriate.
Thanks for the link to Jen-Hsun Huang giving a talk to the OSU students. After watching that video I noticed there was a video of him giving a talk to Stanford students and in the introduction they mentioned that he got his masters from Stanford. In the next sentence they mentioned that there was at that time a new $30 million dollar building on campus named after him.
Glad you liked the Huang video. I ended up watching almost the whole thing. He’s a really interesting guy. I’ll have to check out the Stanford one you linked later today.
There’s also a youtube video of Huang and Elon Musk that I intend to watch. Sounds like these guys are at the forefront of self driving car technology right now.
@ Nicebeaver: Yeah, I watched the Huang, Musk video too. Didn’t know Huang/Nvidia has been deeply involved with the Tesla automobile since day one but it makes sense now that I think about it.
I get why they’d want to donate money towards something that could give them more return on their investment, like education at OSU rather than athletics. There would need to be some incentive for them to donate big money to our AD. Phil Knight has incentive since duck success leads to brand promotion. Making flashy uniforms a thing helped them grab new contracts with teams that were willing to spend…spend..spend to keep up with the Oregons in that regard.
Since our wealthiest alumni, with the exception of Edens, do not come from a sports related industry, there has to be another way to make it worth opening the checkbook.
Can we sell naming rights to Reser or Gill? I know there’s history behind the names and most people would frown upon changing them, but to compete with the big boys, I think it needs to be considered.
It’s so very Oregon State of us to get $5M over 10 years for the stadium name, while UW gets $41M over 10 years for just the field name. Sure, different dollar values between the late 90’s and today, but still a pretty wide gap.
Let’s contact the NVidia guy, and sell naming rights to our Jumbo Tron and plaster NVidia’s logo all over the thing. Maybe even upgrade the video board to showcase the power of Nvidia’s graphics processors to the fans watching the games? Let them slap an Nvidia logo on player’s helmets like Nike does. It’s not like Nike manufactures the helmets. Riddel does. Why does Nike get their logo on there?
Sometimes the simple answer is that nobody has really asked them. They are in the process of building a 160-190 million Athletic Village here at the U of Minnesota. A guy who is connected huge in the business and pro hockey community, Lou Nanne, was tapped to help with the fundraising. He was asked how come he has never donated or been involved with the athletic program, even though his playing career there launched his whole career. “Nobody ever asked me.” Several other prominent donors said the same basic thing.
I hear you about the helmet becoming an advertising space but the visor really is the source of the logo. Visors have long been a contentious space for advertising and have even been a way to sneak ads into spaces where they were not supposed to be.
Speaking of fund raising…… Hasn’t Dr. Ray raised some huge amount of money for OSU? If that’s right and he’s that good at raising funds perhaps someone should light a fire under his ass and get him started raising funds for the athletic department.
Original goal was something like 700 million by 2011. They reached that goal early so they kept rolling. I think only 100 million (or close) was for athletics. Primarily the Gill renovation, Reser renovation (east endzone), Basketball practice facility, Valley, athlete performance center, and athlete academic facility.
I think that they did to some degree but the institutional priority was for academics. On the one hand I wish they did more for athletics with that fundraising but on the other hand I really appreciate how they decided to leverage philanthropy (only so much of that to go around, may have reached the cap) for academics. Oregon can continue to build their jock boxes. Oregon State can continue to work on increasing the quality of education and research. In the long run, this provides greater benefit to all.
I think that there is one significant barrier that we continue to overlook in obtaining our own Uncle Phil. The equation is not simply find ultra wealthy alum -> massive donations to athletics -> athletic success.
Even more to the point, the ultra wealthy alumni exist for every university. I think that there are a few important sub-criteria that lead those alumni to donate to a university:
1) Desire for athletic success at their alma mater
2) Living in close proximity to that university
3) Desire to special access to the program that only large donations create
4) An athletic director with the special knowledge of these criteria and then the ability to leverage them
5) Optional: Desire for notoriety associated with their large donations and the subsequent success of athletics.
I think the major barrier for OSU is finding the appropriate donor. Many of the potentially wealthy donors that can create significant program change are not local to Portland or do not have the desire for athletic success. Paul Allen was cited above as being a WSU alum. He probably doesn’t donate because he has the Seahawks and Blazers which allows him to have a sports outlet.
Ultimately it comes down to BIRG as Angry has stated about sports fans in general. Is it actually a healthy factor that OSU has relatively less grads who BIRG or is this simply a rationalization of our current state?
With him and Kearsely, there should be more aggression on the line. It may take a few games at least for the cohesion to develop, but OLine play should improve.
Admits he was in a bad mood Monday and didn’t have a good attitude, had to pick it up. Sounds much better in this, says the “10-win season is a long way off unfortunately” reaffirms he’s rebuilding, and it takes time and work.
It was a bad performance by GA. It’s one thing right after a game with emotions running high, but he had a couple of days to get his thoughts together. He may be thinking, why did I leave Madison for this? He needs to be a better actor and keep selling hope. That’s all we got at this point.
Simple, Casey needs an AD who’ll see that his team isn’t snubbed as relates to post season play; Andersen isn’t likely to face that problem for awhile.
I mean… what NCAA football coach wouldn’t want to carve out time during the season to participate in committee meetings?
I’m sure he gets some input. I think Casey is perfectly fine as a representative voice for OSU coaches during this process. GA’s presence would just be redundant.
I guess I also found it interesting, because it was such a significant critique on Talking Beavers, but wasn’t brought up here. Usually all critiques begin here!
Its significance diminishes when Scott Barnes’ name is thrown around.
I’m pretty sure GA and Tinks are being consulted. One has a season, and the other has a signing period (and season) coming up. There is no way the search is ignoring those sports while they’re blaring in the background.
Maybe GA isn’t on the search committee because he already worked with the new AD while he was at Utah State. No more input needed from his perspective.
It’s as good a guess as any at this point, but I don’t really have any idea. He just released a statement the other day re-affirming his commitment to PItt, so that automatically means he’s got 1 foot out the door, right?
He doesn’t blow my skirt up, but still already like him better than TS. And I do like him if only for the synergy he and GA had at Utah State. Also, he’s a west coast guy working at Pitt, so a move back to the West doesn’t seem like a stretch.
Looking at his wiki page:
“During his tenure at Utah State University, Barnes greatly increased funding for all Aggie sports, and oversaw the hiring of football coach Gary Andersen and the completion of the Jim & Carol Laub Athletics-Academics Complex on campus. He also worked to improve the public image and visibility of Aggie sports, which included inking deals with statewide and national TV stations, as well as a sponsorship deal with the Maverik chain of service stations, resulting in the renaming of the university’s football stadium in April 2015.[2]
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On May 8, 2013, Barnes was named chairman of the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament’s selection committee.[3]
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As Athletics Director, Barnes’s work has been integral in improving the overall image of Utah State University itself, which image had taken a hit in recent years due to the futility of the football team. The New York Times quoted him as saying “Athletics are the front porch of the university. It’s not the most important room in the house, but it is the most visible.”[5]
Idk… he’s a fine candidate. And he brings a fresh vision. But with that would be someone unfamiliar with OSU. I suppose if he started saying his current job was his dream job Pitt fan would start getting nervous.
Re fund raising for the athletic department: This is so obvious there must a very good reason for why this hasn’t be done already. But I don’t know what it is so I’m going to bring it up again.
Here’s my question and it has to do with the $1.4 BILLION that was recently raised: Instead of issuing bonds and thus paying interest payments to the bond holders why not borrow the money from the $1.4 BILLION and make the interest payments to the owner of the $1.4 BILLION (OSU) instead of the outsiders who own the bonds?
Instead of having to wait for the funds to be raised the loan could be done NOW .
The OSU fund of $1.4 BILLION would grow and the athletic department would benefit from the resulting improvements.
To me it seems like it’s a win – win deal for everything OSU.
Another thing that’s just occurred to me is it might be to OSU’s advantage if the athletic department borrowed money from the $1.4 BILLION and paid off the $60 million state bonds thus making it so that any future interest payments on that loan would be going to OSU.
It sounds like a good idea, although I don’t think there is an account sitting there holding $1.4B. That may be the amount raised to date, but most of it has probably been consumed by other construction projects around campus. Also, I think donors can specify how their money is used, so money specified for construction of Johnson Hall probably can’t be used as a loan for other projects.
You’re talking about largely directed funds. And I would question every conflict of interest in the process. Besides, if it’s not compelling enough for private interests to invest, why build it?
The NVIDIA idea is interesting. But why would a business like that invest in our stadium? You would have to come up with a design that would integrate their tech into the infrastructure and give their name prominence on anything tech related. But that’s not enough for a forward thinking company.
I would offer to partner with them in creating a sort of laboratory for them to do whatever they want in terms of creating, updating and maintaining that infrastructure. The enticement would be the opportunity for them to showcase their ideals to a media who would populate a new bank of boxes on the west side. In a boutique, controlled setting they could operate a large enough media infrastructure so as to show scalability to potential clients.
That infrastructure and partnership would be an in-kind donation to the school that can be written off as well as a source for data collection and research.
Make it as win/win as you can for the company to get involved.
And he would just be a contact, an in. He has to look out for his company. What value is there in putting money into a college stadium?
I’ve also never heard anyone mention the Schoen family. They might be enticed to give their patron a legacy like a stadium or field name.
Edens I wouldn’t peg as one who wants as much a physical legacy as one that was a part of the events that formed who he is. I’m sure more than one Bucks fan knows that he watched Lester Conner play in college. Dude’s a hoops junkie. Naming the College of VetMed, the plaza in front of Gill (if anyone bothered to do anything with it… like maybe commissioning something that would reflect the Orange Express) or the XC course and associated running trails after him would likely mean more to him. And I think each of them sounds better phonetically than Edens Stadium or Coliseum. His surname alone lends to a more pastoral use.
She notes that Wes Edens values his privacy. If he does donate to OSU – (& does anyone have any evidence that he cherished his time at OSU?) he might not want his name on anything at all.
I don’t know who this Frankel person is, but she is neither Mintz nor Watkins. And I wouldn’t consider either one of them a whistleblower. Lay and Fastow had the shredding trucks outside their downtown building for a week before the scandal broke. Those two just didn’t try and cover anything up once the shtf.
And I don’t know that anyone cherishes any one place. I think it’s more that OSU and Corvallis are the kind of places that allow you to be yourself and get done what you want to have done. People who want the place to define them are not a great fit.
What I meant about Edens is that he doesn’t seem the kind of person who spent his formative years watching the Orange Express at Gill Coliseum, then turns around and wants his grandchildren to go watch a game in the same building with a different name. That takes a layered and shared memory away from him and his g’kids. So he wouldn’t be likely to do it because he knows he would do that to everybody.
But he probably wouldn’t be against naming a couple minor things which mean something to him personally. It probably wouldn’t bother him if a new XC course was named Edens Trail–something simple like that.
Here we go. Nvidia announces new Xavier chip technology today that will influence self driving car technology.
Everybody who makes the slog down I-5 from Portland to Corvallis hates it. Let’s get some Nvidia chip driven test vehicles to take some fans to and from the game to showcase how the technology can be used to enhance the game day experience for fans.
“…You’re talking about largely directed funds….” Largely,,, but perhaps there’s a portion of it that could be used for this sort of thing.
“…I would question every conflict of interest in the process….” Yes but if that was kept in mind it could be set up so that those issues could be avoided. The athletic department would have to qualify for the loan just like they would if they went outside for the money.
“…Besides, if it’s not compelling enough for private interests to invest, why build it?…”
Imo that’s implying that if OSU wanted to issue a bond to pay for the expansion that no one would want the bond. Currently companies/organizations are struggling trying to find investments where they can get return on their money. My WAG is that kind of bond would be snapped up before you could blink.
Lastly, “…Besides, if it’s not compelling enough for private interests to invest, why build it?…”
Why make interest payments to private interests when OSU could benefit from the interest payments?
The athletic department would have to qualify for the loan just like they would if they went outside for the money.
Precisely. While they’re at it, they should also submit that work to outside monies. Anything less would not be a wise investment because private interest bids have already calculated the feasibility. It would then become a subsidized loan, which we already do. There are not enough funds earmarked for athletics to create that kind of security.That’s why you have specific drives for these things.
“…There are not enough funds earmarked for athletics to create that kind of security….”
Based on the numbers that were being thrown around on this board regarding the Pac-12 TV deal I would have thought that OSU’s share would have given the athletic department enough of a cushion where they could afford to qualify for and make payments on a loan of significant size.
Unless donors specified this specific use of funds, generally speaking, universities don’t get to use discretionary funds in this manner. There are probably laws against it. I can’t imagine any sane oversight would allow home-baked deals like this for a lot of reasons.
Of course, I say this while living in Eugene. So I guess I can imagine it.
Also the campaign for OSU began in 2007 or 2008 IIRC. The Reser expansion was already completed (phase I). I think some of the money went towards phase II (the scoreboard side).
If she follows @beavrecruiting there is a possibility that she comes here too…I really think Ed Ray should do more fundraising just for the athletics. At least get Reser finished, even if it requires a name change. I get so tired of the half finished stadium. Personally I think it’s like a direct reflection of how our football program is. Not quite built and it’s taking forever ,& honestly how many other P5 programs have a stadium that’s been half built for what seems like forever. Imagine what some of the student athletes think, you want me to play here and you guys don’t have a complete stadium? It’s a tough sell and sadly I think it does matter to a lot of the 4* &5* athletes.
Eggers says it may not matter who starts at QB for the Buffs, picks them to whip the Beavs 38-17.
He says, “The Buffaloes are a bowl team this year, and maybe more”
Everyone is a little too high from them beating a lowly Oregon team.
They’re basically slightly better than the Beavs and now find themselves in a let down game vs a team craving a Pac win.
We were wondering what Stansbury did in a recent thread. Did anyone mention this from back in June? I think it went under the radar. Good move.
CORVALLIS, Ore. – Oregon State men’s basketball head coach Wayne Tinkle received a two-year contract extension that takes him through the 2021-22 season, Vice President/Director of Athletics Todd Stansbury announced Tuesday.
Agree, that was a good move, but also seems like a move any AD could have made. Tinkle interviewed with Stanford and was ready to make the change, which forced us to offer and extension or cut bait.
Heard Brandon Sprague on the radio last week say he spoke to somebody within the AD who told him Tinkle to Stanford was much closer to a reality than most fans think.
I think Tinkle pulled a Riley and entertained it to get an extension. No way he’s leaving Tres, unless Tres planned to take a year off and heal/transfer. That’s possible…
Just FYI on the Riley to USC thing. That was much closer to a done deal than most think (encouraging people close to him to consider moving to LA, etc).
USC is terrible at hiring head coaches because they think they need someone who understands the mythical culture of USC, not win football games. Apparently, the higher-ups think the fans would not like to go undefeated every year unless it happens “their” way, whatever way that may be.
Alabama was the same way for a while. They got over that, and now they have the most self-centered human on the planet in charge of their program. Apparently they don’t care as long as they win.
Oregon State (Offense: 106 / Defense: 85 / Special Teams: 37) – Game Grade Average 73.9 (#94)
Projected Final Record: 1-11
Colorado (Offense: 42 / Defense: 34 / Special Teams: 115) – Game Grade Average 100.4 (#8)
Projected Final Record: 8-4
Colorado QB Liufau was injured vs Michigan 2 weeks ago & rFr Montez came on in relief & looked extremely wide eyed in the Big House. Fast forward to last week & it wasn’t clear if Liufau would return & Montez did indeed get the start, but looked like a totally different QB as he led the Buff’s to their 1st win over Oregon as a Pac-12 member, throwing for 333 yards while completing 72%! Liufau’s status for this game is still a ? but after last week’s growth I have no problem going with Colorado in this game. The Buff’s will have the edge on offense & defense and are playing at home. Against my #38 toughest schedule, Colorado is +217 ypg, while Oregon State, despite playing just my #85 toughest slate, is actually -44 ypg. I’ll call for the Buff’s to win by almost 3 TD’s.
COLORADO 37 OREGON STATE 17
POSITION BY POSITION EDGES:
WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL:
Oregon State QB/WR’s vs Colorado DB’s: COL +1.00
Oregon State RB’s vs Colorado LB’s: COL +1.03
Oregon State OL vs Colorado DL: COL +0.82
WHEN COLORADO HAS THE BALL:
Oregon State DL vs Colorado OL: COL +1.16
Oregon State LB’s vs Colorado RB’s: COL +0.23
Oregon State DB’s vs Colorado QB/WR’s: BOST +0.59
MISCELLANEOUS:
Special Teams: ORST +3.14
Kicking: ORST +0.52
Coaching: COL +0.25
Oregon State Total: 3.66
Colorado Total: 5.08
Positional Edge Awarded to Colorado By 1.42 Points.
PROJECTED BOX SCORE (Oregon State – Colorado):
Rushing Yards: 111-218
Passing Yards: 115-287
Yardage Total: 226-505
Projected Final Score: 17-37
Experience Rankings: 75-9
Team Schedule Strength: 85-38
Las Vegas Line: Colorado by 18
Las Vegas Total: 55 Points
+/- Ratings: Colorado by 21.0
Game Grade: Colorado by 29.5
Computer Yards: Colorado 505-226
Computer Points: Colorado 37-17
Consider the fact that the schedule computation has nothing to do with the team’s record but rather the strength of the opponent. For example, you would get more creed for playing a 2-2 LSU than a 4-0 San Diego State team. Opponent record is just one very small part of what’s factored into determining schedule strength. Also, Colorado played a game at Michigan, which is a lot harder than anything that OSU has had to face to this point, as another example. (at least this year).
The anomaly I was looking for would be Mississippi on that list. That’s because their “algorithm” for SOS is this (1.3): http://realtimerpi.com/faq.html
That’s a really shallow methodology. Although, it’s better than USN&WR’s college rankings, which is just a survey of people’s feelings.
OT… they (they being the idiots who bought it in the first place) are discovering that surveys about feelings have nothing to do with the quality of an education. I can’t find it right now, but one researcher said it appeared more likely to correspond with how many cups of coffee a respondent consumed than it did to how much a student learned.
As shallow as that methodology for SOS may be, it’s also what is common and is appreciated more than those who use arbitrary rankings in theirs. Going back to Numbers’ contention that #85 can’t be correct… he’s right. http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_Oregon_State_Beavers.html
I think someone read the RPI and conflated it with SOS.
Another indication that these calculations themselves are flawed is that NDSU sits right in front of us at 86. That’s just not correct. I’ve watched them play, and they’re easily a top 30 FBS football team. In fact, they probably beat Ole Miss in a road game seven out of ten games.
That’s about the same score Eggers picked (maybe 37-14?).
This is a good chance for an upset. CU may be too high after UO, Andersen can point to to CU and where they were and where they are and tell his team that they need to make the same progress.
Recently, CU v. OSU was about who WASN’T going to be last in the PAC…now CU has moved on from that. That could be troubling if one didn’t realize that a) these things cycle and b) OSU has a long history of being the league doormat.
Off topic, I will not be watching the game live(will try to catch a replay of it). My oldest daughter ( I like radishes a lot ) asked me to take her out hunting on opening day of Blacktail buck season. She’s 18 now and the quality time with her has faded as she’s gotten older, so I jumped at the chance. Seems like it was just yesterday I was dropping her off at grandma’s house so I could go hunting without having to worry about changing diapers.
I was fishing with my bro last Saturday instead of watching BSU game. Weather was incredible, catching great trout….we talk about crazy sports fans in the southeast and east coast, how they seem to prefer living vicariously to actual living experiences. You can always watch the highlight of the game.
Good luck again, here’s to backstraps and eggs in your near future!
Thanks, I think a majority of the hardcore fans back east wouldn’t know what to do on a deer hunt or fishing trip. City folk! I love the beavs but I love the outdoors just as much.
I can only hope my daughters will ask me that or elk hunting or duck hunting. They are four and already have the fishing bug for kokanee and salmon. It’s way more fun with them than without.
I’m sure they will, you’re getting them started young. I love taking both my girls fishing ( usually trout, bass, bluegill, crappie and catfish). The look on their faces when they hook into one and land it is priceless. I’ll never forget the 1st fish my youngest landed(with help) she is 8,got bored and was playing in the sand. I got a bite, set the hook and handed off to her. She really struggled to get this fish in. Finally after actually helping her crank the reel we got this thing to shore. I scooped it out of the water and holy cow it’s a 5lb bass. She started doing this crazy victory dance. It was the funniest thing. I have ever seen
Mine haven’t reeled in a salmon yet, that’s going to be a few more years. But they both have reeled in kokanee (with dad’s help). I told them they have to kiss their first fish they land, because it’s the rules in fishing. They agreed until it was time to pucker up. The first one did an air kiss from about a foot away, the second started screaming nooooo, nooooo I don’t want the kiss the fish. I’m sure the guy fishing next to us thought I was trying to murder my kids.
I imagine players on other teams are doing the same or similar thing(s). So many people are focused on using social media, whether or not they have anything to say. Waitammint!….
I’ll take a team full of players that are more interested in on the field results than a team full of “how good I look if we win or lose” players. I understand those types of players are getting harder to find.
I’m probably just naive. I just doubt Christian McCaffrey and his Stanford teammates are playing grabass in the hotel room right now as they prepare for UW tomorrow.
I can’t get it to play. Is it as bad as the videos of Roberto Nelson, Johnathan Hoover, and Joe Burton playing with a dildo at their house by the golf course a few years ago? No nudity, just clothed weirdness.
Colorado is a good example of how patience helps turning a program around. The last three years they’ve been getting better but still the cellar dweller. It looks like in year four they are finally breaking out in a big way. For those of you who think the Oregon game was a blip, it still means a lot to them, but consider this: Colorado was leading at Michigan 28-24 until Liufau went out with an injury and then Michigan ran two punts back to win. This is not the same team that was a doormat for the last few years. Oregon State would do well to take a few notes on what’s happening in Boulder right now, because that’s exactly what they’re aiming for.
Hey, if they surpass everyone’s expectations and win Saturday, good, it means we’re way ahead of schedule. But I think Colorado is right now showing OSU the blueprint for climbing out of the cellar.
I really don’t think a win Saturday means the Beavs are ahead of schedule on the rebuild. It likely means the Buffs just overlooked us. If the Beavs win tomorrow and 2-3 more games this year then you can say they’re ahead of schedule. But from what I’ve seen so far, they still have a long way to go.
If the Beavs win tomorrow it will be based on much more than the Buffs (Bison!) overlooking the Beavs.
A 60 minute focused effort and some improved play calling, along with improved O-Line play will be required; and that applies even if the “overlook” factor is in play.
But, yes, it will take more wins to justify saying the rebuild is ahead of schedule.
OldBeav and NiceBeav, I made a game thread and post-dated it for tomorrow at 10:20. If it’s not up by then it means something went wrong, so feel free to put something up. I should be around, though, unless I die in my sleep.
Hmmm… I may have to change my prediction for our game at CU. I just realized we haven’t lost to any teams outside of states in Keanu Reeves’ movie titles.
RanYakumo: SU Tex Minn Navy Lou OSU 16-13
Nicebeaver: UW oSu PSU AFA Lou CU 55-20
beaverkman: UW oSu Minn Navy Clem CU 57-19
cj: SU oSu PSU Navy Lou OSU 21-17
Numbers: UW oSu Minn AFA Clem OSU 42-34
Theboneyard: SU oSu Minn Navy Lou CU 41-24
oneoldbeav: SU oSu PSU AFA Lou OSU 27-24
BlackBandits: SU Tex Minn AFA Lou CU 48-28
mckalk: SU oSu PSU AFA Lou CU 38-21
Outcast: UW oSu Minn AFA Lou CU 45-24
beavergopher: SU oSu Minn Navy Lou CU 31-24
whiskey: SU Tex Minn Navy Lou CU 38-17
Jack: UW oSu Minn Navy Clem CU 33-23
PDXBeav: SU oSu PSU AFA Lou CU 41-31
Mud&Sticks: UW oSu PSU AFA Lou CU 52-17
angry: UW oSu PSU Navy Lou OSU 27-24
scotty: SU oSu PSU AFA Lou CU 42-24
Skimming through it, love his drive and determination, work ethic. Not having seen him play, I’m not sure about this athleticism and its ceiling, but several here did say he threw a “beautiful ball.”
The jury is out on Andersen and QBs at OSU, but I give him credit for recognizing this kid’s intangibles and ability and getting him to walk on. His characteristics are positive for the program.
I’ve got a concern and I need to know if I am correct. I live in Corvallis and was in southtown on S. 3rd around 11 a.m. The football team buses were headed south to the Eugene airport. I did verify it was the team, as an Alaska Airlines flight from EUG-BJC departed at 12:34 p.m. PST. My concern is this: why did they leave the day before the game? There’s several problems here. They are playing at a higher elevation, and they are playing an early game. Wouldn’t you want to get there Thursday? I always thought the teams left on a Thursday when playing away.
If there are elevation issues, they will be apparent almost immediately. It’s going to be different for everyone. Other than that, you want to spend as little time at elevation as you can for an event unless you plan to acclimatize. And that wouldn’t happen in a matter of days.
Yeah, getting adjusted to the altitude can take several days to get over that feeling of huffing and puffing. An extra day won’t do anything. Watch for some sucking wind and water guzzling by the low landers.
Want a convenient collection of stories on this week’s opponent? See cartoon at top of page – I don’t think CU’s current record is a rude awakening for OSU:
Looks like the pac won’t be getting a playoff team. Does anyone think Washington won’t gag it down the stretch? Heck, they’ll probably lose to the quacks. Again.
I think it was Chantel (sp?) Jennings who tweeted out earlier today that Stanford has only two more explosive plays than we do… and two TDs less overall. They look like us only they’re better at lateral pursuit and run D, and we’re better in coverage.
In hindsight, I feel like I did not enjoy the Fuskies 0-12 season as much as I should have. I do have to admit that Sonny Sixkiller is a hell of a nice guy. UW had him selling advertising for their games back when they were shitty, I can’t even remember if my company purchased anything. He gave me the presentation in some room that overlooked the stadium.
Washington up is bad, Washington and Oregon up is really bad. OSU and Wazzu are in trouble if this trends that way. Ted Bundy was a Husky. That’s all I got. C u all later.
If the Beaver D of the 2nd half of that Bronco game shows up, Beavs can pull out a close one. Does Anderson have enough film on Colorado to pull the miracle? Beavs 27- Buffs 21
41-20 Colorado is my prediction. Andersen climbs to #11 on the hot seat rankings. Beavs don’t have a tough enough run game and try to get too cute on offense. Think Pierce needs atleast 5 more carries a game. Would even try to use Collins with 5-6 direct snaps a game as a better way to throw a curve then some of the stuff we currently are drawing up.
First! Ha.
Second!! Ha
You’re really quick……………….that what she said??
Do we expect Blount to be splitting time with Garretson with the 1’s now? My preference.
Or will he be running with the 2s?
Will McMaryion be demoted to the scout team?
I have a good feeling about Blount.
Anyone know what kind of offense Buffs run? I havent watched them this year…
Is now the best time to be switching QBs? Right on the eve of Pac-12 play?
Can we beat Colorado in their house after they beat the Ducks in Eugene?
Do the Ducks’ struggles suggest that perhaps the Civil War is in play for the Beavs this year?
It is if one qb threw for nearly triple the yards of the other and didn’t lose 17 yards on sacks….
Per Gina:
Garretson with ones, Blount twos. Not sure if she sees the whole practice FWIW
Anyone want to give odds we will play a third QB this year?
Tumwater Dave miffed that remarks were made here about him “only” being a fan since ’99.
Seems to me his bona fides are proven by the fact that he has attended all 3 game this season, and stayed for the second half Saturday when many did not.
BTW, he snuck into a terrace seat and appreciated the view, says it will be even better for night games.
Do the seats move closer to the field at night?
If you sit in the front row you have 1 in 10 chance of starting the second half at QB.
I think if DG was pulled in the second quarter, things might’ve had a different outcome. Then again, it was the second quarter when the offense really became inept and stale. Hopefully the Starter on Saturday will be the best QB to give us a chance to win on the road.
Other than a short clip on the Oregonlive webpage I can’t find video of Andersen’s post BSU presser. It’s not on the OSU website so is that it? Is it the policy of the athletic department to not put up video of the post game pressers?
Coach Andersen Monday Press Conference: Colorado 9-26-16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsdd5eO8yMI
Re the QB situation: Apparently we had a situation where Garretson’s timing and execution weren’t what the coaching staff expected in the last game.
Can Garretson improve re timing and execution? I would think so unless he was having those issues because of the pounding he’s taken up until now.
Imo an equally important (perhaps even more important) question is can the QB coach coach up Garretson w.r.t. timing and execution?
I don’t recall a lot of improvement in last year’s QBs so is it possible the team needs a new QB coach? It’s too early for an answer and perhaps even too early to be asking that question but what the heck, I’ll ask it anyway.
I think the timing and execution had to do with an injury. Maybe a little gun shy mixed in.
OT: Just watched the pregame of the Marlins game, and then the first inning…no more words need to be said.
powerful stuff….
Yeah, I guess I would down vote the loss of a great young talent who meant more to his community than just his athletic prowess. Let’s not add the incredibly personal show of emotion by his teammates during the game, and Dee Gordon’s show of respect, followed by his first HR of the year.
Powerful stuff, indeed.
I will caution the QB expectations, thought Blount played good, but he missed some reads and looked tentative after the first couple of series. I think the longer he played the more mistakes would have been made. Maybe if he gets a full week of practice with 1’s he will be better prepared. But I didn’t see enough that would suggest he is the next Jonathan SMith
Smith was a good qb, but not the best. He had the luxury of having great recievers, DG and Blount don’t.
And a good Oline
True dat.
I’m going to add to this^ I’m seeing our receivers getting hung up in coverage a lot more than in the past. On press coverage they just aren’t getting open fast enough.
Now we can blame some of that on the oline not give the QB’S enough time. But I’m suprised that we are not throwing more quick slants with as fast as the D-ends are getting up the field. Good example was the strip on seth, that play not thrown into the short side of the field is 5-7 yards a play if the corners are right on him. It just seems like there are tweeks that can be made to take advantage of constant blitzing I think we are going to see for the rest of the year.
“constant blitzing”, yeah, I think we can look forward to plenty of that the rest of the year.
In the presser video above, around 17:30, GA touches on identity and seems to conclude that a lot of this teams identity will revolve around running the right routes which fit with the time the QB can be protected. Seems to me he recognizes the weakness of the O-line and we should see the tweeks you are looking for; ie: slants and screens. With talk like that it is hard to imagine much emphasis on the longer pass attempts we have seen.
Now, if he’ll adjust the run game to reduce the side-to-side, time eating plays.
Big Boy FB, save the fly sweep and home run ball for a surprise after you’ve ground out the shorter stuff.
“save the fly sweep and home run ball for a surprise after you’ve ground out the shorter stuff.”
The problem is, the shorter stuff you mention has been hit and miss. How many times have we seen 3rd and short or 4th and short and Nall gets no gain or tackled for a loss???
As we all know, it starts up front on both sides of the ball. If you have a shitty O line or D line, your chances of success diminish. A QB can’t do shit if he’s on his back. The short routes don’t work when the defense doesn’t respect getting beat over the top and they’re crowing the LOS. Play action doesn’t work either. If the run blocking sucks, well good luck running the ball. You can certainly bring in another TE or two but what if they suck at blocking as well. Or a RB as extra pass protection that can’t block worth two squirts of piss.
I’m seeing the same weakness on the D line. 3 down linemen that can’t shed blocks. Which opens up running lanes that linebackers have to react and fill or chase and tackle (poorly). I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The talent on this team is NOT capable of running a 3-4 scheme. Honestly idk what the answer is. TCU makes a 4-2-5 work pretty well at defending the spread but your secondary HAS to have great cover guys who can win 1 on 1 battles. OSU doesn’t have that luxury. If it were me, I’d put the 4th down lineman in there and roll the dice on helping with the 1st few yards at the LOS than a ljnebacker pursuing a RB from behind that has gotten thru the defensive front.
Face it, talent deficiencies on both O and D lines is killing this rebuild. I understand there’s been injuries, illnesses, disease and other unforeseen circumstances to some of the players. Not calling any of them out here. It is what it is at this point.
Offensive and defensive line recruiting needs to be a top priority right now
Tartan uniforms would alleviate most of these problems.
GA up to #14 on the Hot Seat Rankings. Helfrich enters in final spot at #30.
http://www.coacheshotseat.com
Seems silly to me. I don’t get the sense his seat is warm at all.
I think him leaving a “larger program” like Wisconsin for a smaller program like ours pissed a lot of people off who want to see him fail.
Agree, seems silly. Andersen’s seat isn’t warm at all, at years end though, Uncle Phil will be looking closely at “Helf”
OTOH, here is a guy who makes the case that Andersen’s future is pretty murky when compared to other coaching changes in the PAC12 over the recent past, saying, “Andersen’s four-game drop (from Riley’s last season) is the most precipitous of any current Pac-12 coach in his first year.”
His analysis overlooks the fact that those other schools have an airport in place!
http://www.gazettetimes.com/albany/blogs/jim-day/beavers-face-stiff-challenge-in-super-competitive-pac/article_4d282c13-0d1f-559b-acca-ecb7b73854ca.html
Apparently math is hard.
University of Phoenix strikes again……
It used to be easy, but now they’re teaching things like “fractions” and “negative numbers.” Friggin’ communists.
It’s also racist.
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http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/technology/weapons-of-math-destruction/
So… redlining is racist, not math.
Nothing new there.
You don’t get the sense that his seat is warm at all because it isn’t. No one is getting fired after this season either. If the flames from the dumpster fire that were in place when GA got here are still going after 4 years then we can talk about his seat getting warm. Until then, it’s just some idiots ill informed opinion looking for clickbait. Want to see a program that was a similar dumpster fire that is finally getting on the field results? See this weekends opponent.
OSU/Cal game on Oct 8 set for 6pm kickoff
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/09/oregon_state_beavers_to_host_f.html
Here’s some food for thought……………..
After 3 straight years of finishing dead last in the Pac-12 south, with one more win this year Colorado will have equaled their highest win total and doubled their conference win total since McIntyre took over.
2013: 4-8, 1-8
2014: 2-10, 0-9
2015: 4-9, 1-8
The question is, was the Oregon St program as big of a dumpster fire when GA took over as CU was for McIntyre?
No it wasn’t because when McIntyre was hired, CU was already very bad and had just fired a coach after only 2 years. However, OSU is currently pointed at dumpster fire territory.
I’ll give you that. After Dan Hawkins was fired they allowed Jon Embree to take over and continue the downward spiral for two more years. He only made it worse. The Buffs may have had equal or worse talent across the board. But the situation remains the same. A foundation has to be put in place first and then built upon. They also recently upgraded football facilities after not doing so since 1991. There are similarities to keep in perspective.
http://www.denverpost.com/2015/05/31/hochman-colorado-grows-up-and-grows-its-facilities/
And I’m sure just as many Buffs fans were questioning the direction of their program in years 1-3 as well.
If the Beavs go winless in conference play this year, it’s officially a dumpster fire.
“What will the Oregon Ducks ‘players-only’ meeting accomplish?”
Latest Goe article to line your cat shit gravel box with. Let’s hear your best submissions to answer the question
http://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2016/09/tuesday_morning_news_notes_lin_41.html#incart_river_mobileshort_index
Greif’s piece on the meeting:
http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2016/09/in_players-only_meeting_oregon.html
What will it accomplish?
Seems to me vets calling out newbies (some pot calling kettle black) could be the start of disruptive finger pointing. But, we only get limited bits of what was said and by who.
Examples from Greif’s report:
Duck players getting caught up in the hype multiple uniforms, etc..?
What did they expect? That’s been one of their major selling points to recruits all along. Of course the players are caught yp in the hype. It’s what they were attracted by.
No. It was worse there. And they had to abandon their Big 8 recruiting footprint, for the most part, when they moved over to the Pac. Our rebuild will be different without the established QB for the first two years. I’m assuming Moran is being groomed to take over next year, and Garretson and Blount will be given ample playing time this year.
Blount throws a nice ball when rolling to his left. If Garretson can pick up that throw (and start moving the pocket more) he should be somewhat serviceable this year. The D is starting to come around. But those missed tackles are just lousy to watch. Although, I did chuckle when Irvine made a great play to hit a receiver at the point of the catch… then fell off the guy.
What to work on this week at Practice.
Defense out of position before snap most of time.
Are we ” just calling plays ” or “Game planning” each week.
Add some more …
Run blocking techniques
Nall running forward instead of shifting side to side
Nall lining up 2 yards behind QB instead of 3-5 yards on short yardage plays
Direct snaps to the running back would be cool, but too much to ask for in a freshman center
Isn’t Kearsley at center?
No, latest depth chart has Yanni as the starter and Kearsley as the back up
getting separation from WR’s
Run blocking……If we aren’t grinding in the trenches better from here on out we are going to win zero additional games.
I am excited to see what Blount will do on this team. I like Garretson, he was better than our options last year with the offense we ran, but he hasn’t been very crisp this year. I get that the O-line has issues, but Garretson hasn’t seemed as mobile as advertised.
While we haven’t turned the corner, I think that the corner is in view.
per Gina tweet:
Harlow has been moved off scout team and is practicing, could play Saturday or could still redshirt.
Lot of discussion above about OL, Getting an effective Harlow would be a HUGE shot in the arm, but does it come with a cost of losing him later because he came back too early or just having him for 2/3 of the season?
Having him for half the season would be great. He’s probably burning up watching the line as it is, thinking to himself that it would be better to be out there when he’s ready instead of socking away an extra year. I imagine he’s on track for graduation and doesn’t need to stick around for that year anyway.
anyone watching Stanton getting absolutely bulldozed back into Garretson who was taken down not so much by the left Defensive End’s one arm tackle as the impact of Stanton being pushed into him can understand this decision. Andersen has concluded, I believe, that without Harlow he’s going winless in conference two successive years and realizes further how that would kill recruiting.
They might have to go to 2 TEs. Can the OCs game plan with 2 TEs?
We have no serviceable TE’s – Move Villy to a TE & flex him
Harlow’s Dad was in the stands…Maybe he is a go …soon ?
OT: Good News, Danny reports Casey not interested in the AD job.
Quotes Casey, “My whole commitment, my whole interest right now is the baseball program.”…”I haven’t talked to anybody about the job,” … “I’m a baseball coach.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/09/pat_casey_on_oregon_state_athl.html#incart_river_index
He shouldn’t have had to be the assistant AD for baseball for all those years either. I don’t see why he would want to become some pencil pusher when he can just coach baseball… which has been very very good to him.
Per Gina article this morning “Marianne Vydra named Oregon State interim athletic director”
Yup, and both Casey and Steven Jackson on the search committee.
Week 4 picks results:
1. Theboneyard: 6-0 (-7/+3)
2. Nicebeaver: 5-1 W(n/-7)
3. mckalk: 5-1 W(n/-10)
4. Mud & Sticks: 5-1 W(+3/-11)
5. BlackBandits: 5-1 L(-7/+10)
6. RanYakumo: 5-1 L(-21/n)
7. Jack: 4-2 W(-4/-1)
8. beavergopher: 4-2 W(-10/n)
9. thembeavers: 4-2 W(-4/-7)
10. Outcast: 4-2 W(-7/-8)
t. whiskey: 4-2 W(-11/-4)
12. cj: 4-2 W(-15/-3)
13. Numbers: 4-2 L(-11/+8)
14. scotty: 3-3 W(-5/n)
15. oneoldbeav: 3-3 W(-7/+4)
16. beaverkman: 3-3 W(-8/-7)
17. angry: 3-3 W(-11/-7)
18. BeaverQB: 3-3 L(-10/+5)
19. Sandiegobeav: 3-3 L(-21/+10)
20. PDXBeav: 2-4 L(-17/n)
t. wrigg3: 2-4 L(-14/+3)
22. marcodg: 1-5 L(-17/n)
Week 5 picks:
1. Stanford @ UW
2. Texas @ oSu
3. Minnesota @ Penn St.
4. Navy @ Air Force
5. Louisville @ Clemson
6. OSU @ Colorado (score)
1. Stanford
2. Texas
3. Minnesota
4. Navy
5. Louisville
6. OSU 16-13
16-13? You’re very optimistic
1. UW
2. oSu
3. Penn St.
4. Air Force
5. Louisville
6. Colorado (55-20)
1. Dawgs
2. Pokes
3. Gophs
4. Middies
5. Tigers
6. CU 57-19
Tree
oSu
PSU
Navy
Louisville
Beavs (21-17)
UW
oSu
Minnesota
Air Force
Clemson
OSU 42 CU 34
Finally won!
Stanford
Oklahoma state
Minnesota
Navy
Louisville
Colorado 41-24
1. Stanford
2. oSu
3. Penn St
4. AF
5. Louisville
6. Beavs (27-24)
Stanford
Texass
Rodents
Air farce
Louisville
Buffs 48-28
Stanford
OSU
PSU
Air Force
Louisville
Colorado 38-21
1. Washington
2. Oklahoma State
3. Minnesota
4. Air Force
5. Louisville
6. Colorado (45-24)
Stanford
Cowboys…..Coach is over forty and still a man.
Minnesota, Minnesota, yeahhhhhhhhhhh Gophers. Rah!
Navy
Petrino over Dabo
CU 31 Beavs 24
Not a lot of optimism for the game against Ralphie, who is delicious as a hamburger by the way.
Bison is tasty.
1. Stanford
2. Texas
3. Minnesota
4. Navy
5. Louisville
6. Colorado (38-17)
Yikes, second to last?!!?
1) Stanford
2) Okie State
3) Penn St
4) Air Force
5) Louisville
6) Colorado 41-31
Washington
OSU
Penn State
Navy
Louisville
OSU 27-24
Originally posted yesterday but down below in the wrong location.
UW
oSu
PSU
AF
Louisville
CU 52-17
Furd, okie, psu, air force, Louisville, buffs 42, beavs 24
Not sounding great on the Aiden Willard injury front…
https://twitter.com/waterboywill/status/780954936544665600
What happened?
I can’t figure him out. He looks like a very light edition of Locker but his completion % is awful. Tough to know what he’s all about.
So what’s Andersen going to say next if he’s not going to say “Attaboy” and “Go play real hard?”
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/09/gary_andersen_done_with_attabo.html#incart_2box
Seriously, what does he do to try to keep this team focused and motivated? Apparently most players do not have their “big boy pants” on, or do not want to play “big boy football,” so he can’t talk about that (thank god)….he can’t tell but a few players “good job!” and he can’t say “Great win!” yet…so what’s he going to do? Singing the fight song to 20 fans after a loss is going to get old.
Conference play is just starting so I think if he really wants his players to buy into his system and not tune him out, he needs to return to his keys to winning; play great defense, take care of the ball, score in the red zone, play great special teams and win the 4th quarter. He’s got to speak to them in ways that don’t result in him losing his players as the losses mount. He can point to the recent special teams play as an example of addressing one of his keys and hopefully encourage good tackling and scoring efficiency as tangible progress at CSU.
I don’t know, I kind of tune Anderson out when he goes down these types of “motivational roads” Doesn’t it ultimately boil down to whether he has P-12 quality talent and then what he and his coaching staff do with it? I doubt he truly believes he has the talent yet, so is he still bitching about Riley’s players? That’s why in my mind, it’s all a bunch of noise and coach speak until you get to year four or five. If the team is still in the same boat, then he either can’t coach or he can’t recruit (or both). Waiting is no fun, but it’s all we can do.
He looks embarrassed, depressed, and pissed at the same time. He needs to put on his own big boy pants. Coach em up.
I agree the talent is the challenge. But hell, league play hasn’t even started and he’s out of things to say?
If those things are the tenants of his “vision,” then he needs to stick to them and show the players that if they respond they will see progress.
9 games left and somehow he has to make sure that talent he has recruited doesn’t tune him out, and that he show the kind of leadership that will attract recruits to a program that isn’t going to be winning for a while.
What else is there to say? Go out there and play to your best effort. If you don’t, you know what will happen. And even if you do and that’s not good on that day, you also know what will happen.
With one it’s personal. With the the latter it’s just grinding it out as a team.
He’s not in it for moral victories. If he was, he would have continued to run the ball in the second half despite Boise loading the box and playing the edges. We still would have lost. We would have looked a little more positive overall.
But the game isn’t the time to practice to get better. It’s time to try and win. We were crunched by time and the reality that we probably couldn’t even take what Boise was giving us. And the D was in a good mood for a long stretch. They still had something to say at that point.
We had a lapse in the first half where the score was run to beyond two possessions, and we couldn’t grind until we were over the hump. Eliminate the lapses, and keep grinding.
That’s what we got for now. There’s not much more to say unless we move out of that state in either direction. I see it as more of a positive, as a foundation being set. It ain’t pretty, and most people can’t envision the final product. But it looks square and plumb. All you do is build on top of that.
“Eliminate the lapses, and keep grinding”, well said.
GA seems to have kept the team’s attention so far and now they have game experience which shows clearly that eliminating the lapses would lead to W’s.
If GA plays Harlow, does this constitute full panic mode? Thoughts?
What else is he supposed to do? Continue to play the players that probably aren’t P5 talent?
Harlow at half strength is 100% better than Stanton. If he can play without reinjuring himself I say get him on the field.
Did you see Cam Newton get pummeled on Sunday?
It’s going to be a long painful year for him. Or he’s going to break and spend the season rehabbing… in Miami.
Kennan. Worst JC signing in Beav history? JC guys are supposed to come in and play. He he even played a snap?
We don’t need to rehash that discussion.
Don’t even recognize the name.
He has to play some, right? That’s probably 75% of the team!
My feeling is that Harlow is more the kind of person who would rather go out in a blaze of glory than sit on a bench for an offensive series. You’ve seen him play. If there’s a football game going on, he’s looking to hit someone. I’d rather he not do that on the bench.
He probably has personal plans associated with this being his last season, and a rehab and short season would put him in great shape for pro workouts and that possible future.
And it would give us two viable tackles….
Oh… and he saves his father having to buy another set of season tickets.
Those tickets are free.
For a whole entourage?
Plus travel and lodging?
Every player is alotted 4 tickets, plus they can pass unused tickets to other players if they want or have an opportunity to buy tickets if all are used. Travel and lodging is obviously not paid for…….
It might be 2 tickets now that I think about it. I can’t remember.
Every player is allotted 6 tickets for home games and 4 for away games. At least that is what it used to be.
And Oregon players would usually trade away tickets to players from California players for home tickets.
Yes, but do you know how much it costs to fly to a town with no airport?
@ Jack:
“…Yes, but do you know how much it costs to fly to a town with no airport?…”
An arm and a leg? :-)
Full panic mode or a recognition that something has to change? This seems closer to being willing to work and adjust with the resources at hand. Would ya rather be talking popsicles and slip-n-slides?
I’m not sure Harlow, alone, can be the difference we are looking for, but he certainly would seem to be a step in the right direction. Jack’s made a pretty good case for playing him, if he’s healthy, go for it!
Full panic mode, to me, would look different. Like removing an assistant or starting a game with 11 guys who haven’t yet had playing time.
OTOH: Some might say that putting a walkon QB into the middle of a game w/o having taken snaps with the first unit would define “full panic mode”.
@ whiskey. That never stopped Mike! Did it all the time.
On a side note and somewhat cynical. Last season’s second half against the Ducks gave me some cause for off-season optimism, but that in hindsight I think was Fool’s Gold.. That offensive burst seems to have mostly spoken to how historically shitty the Ducks defense was and continues to be. An aberration one can’t really take into account when looking at Beav progress, so the baby steps continue against vastly superior defenses.
“Andersen added the Beavers are still adjusting to how much protection the quarterback is going to get on a given play, which also affects what routes the receivers can run.”
The short answer is zero seconds. The qb can expect to get zero seconds of time on any given play before Stanton gets run over/around.
The Beavers coaching staff should not, just now, be adjusting to how much protection the qb is not getting, two games were enough to see that, let alone three.
Screens, draws, short passes, slants are your friend, coach, have the fellas reach out if they need any more help.
This is true, and it’s exactly why you play Harlow if possible. That extra 2 seconds that he may afford is the difference between pass execution and a sack.
“…The Beavers coaching staff should not, just now, be adjusting to how much protection the qb is not getting, two games were enough to see that, let alone three…”
I agree and imo, this doesn’t speak well of the OCs.
It just might turn out that GA’s biggest flub was which assistants he hired and what jobs he gave them. You’ll note I said “it just might”.
“We talk recruiting & personnel with Gary Andersen tonight on Beaver Sports Talk at 6 p.m. at BWW in Corvallis & on the Bvr Sports Radio Net.”
Noticed that OSU currently has two OL recruits and two DL recruits. The OLine recruits would most likely need to RS and put on weight.
Several here have suggested that Andersen prioritize JC offensive lineman to stabilize and improve the OLine.
Speaking of OL and DL, this from Danny’s Q&A with the CU beat writer:
“Beyond QB, I think the most pleasant surprise for CU is that their offensive and defensive lines – which have been pushed around for years – have played very well.”
“Pleasant surprises” coming for the Beavs………..some day?
For the 2 recruits redshirting would be ideal, but 1 of them is at 300# already and Mackay, the other, is close to 285#. His weight is misreported on many sites according to what I have read.
Dave from Tumwater should be on the committee.
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/09/pat_casey_steven_jackson_among.html#incart_river_index
UW
oSu
PSU
AF
Louisville
CU 52-17
Thanks for making this thread. Just got back from 5 days of visiting family and have no clue what’s going on. What did I miss?
Simi Kuli is finally on the team!
-Harlow may burn redshirt, may get more info on radio tonight
-Garretson reported to be 100%, Blount #2 on depth chart
-Casey says he doesn’t want the AD job
-Casey and Steven Jackson on search committee…no sign of Tumwater Dave.
-GA indicates “identity” will revolve around calling plays (pass) which account for the amount of time the OL can protect the QB
I think that’s the main points over the last few days.
GO BEAVS!
Welcome back angry!
Watching the GA interview now. “I’m alright” with angry/depressed face. Not a good start.
He kind of has “resting bitch face” a majority of the time.
I was visiting family last weekend and missed the game in person and on TV. I heard that Jay Irvine played a bit and recorded 4 solo tackles. Just wondering what the circumstance was that brought him in? Decoud injured, helmet fell off, or sat out a quarter? Depending on the answer I may have some info about this.
Not sure of the circumstances, but could it have been the Jalen Moore suspension for the targeting call against Idaho State, which allowed Irving to get more playing time?
The circumstances were Dwayne Williams was banged up.
Decoud is a hot name on draft boards right now. His stats are pretty insane. We’re going to need him against Bobo. That kid has sticky fingers.
I think it has to do with Irvine taking that spot and Crawford playing the nickel/rover and backing up at CB with Williams. Is Wallace a definite redshirt?
We wont see Wallace or Garcia on the field this year. Garcia isnt even on campus yet.
Garcia isnt? I thought he showed up right before the end of camp?
Whole thing sounds screwy. This per Gina:
*** An update on the academic eligibility saga of incoming freshman linebacker Isaac Garcia. With OSU’s fall term beginning last Wednesday, Andersen said Garcia is “not currently” enrolled in classes but “we’ll see as we go through that process.” Garcia, who has been admitted by OSU, arrived in Corvallis during fall camp and completed the “BEST” student-athlete immersion program but has not been cleared to practice by the NCAA. According to Pac-12 rules, if Garcia begins classes at OSU and is ultimately declared ineligible by the NCAA, then he’ll be permanently ineligible to play at any Pac-12 school.
That’s kind of a fucked up rule. Seems like the pac12 doesn’t give a shit about an education, just if your eligible to play.
For those upset about the OL: this has been posted here before but in case you missed it to say our line has had the “Luck o’ the Beavs” is an understatement this year. Injuries and illness have been at an all time high. In college you only have so many scholarships to pass around. Can’t go to waivers or free agency mid season and just pick up seasoned players. To contingency plan for all of this would have been impossible: http://www.espn.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/103961/through-injury-illness-and-tragedy-oregon-states-o-line-perseveres
Regarding recruiting: they have 33 offers out to Offensive Linemen in the 2017 class. It’s not like they aren’t trying.
We also have some highly rated guys on the roster that aren’t injured that don’t seem to be cutting it? Delp, Fifita. Tough when you’re few 4 stars are whiffs.
Repairing the OL through recruiting will take years to pan out, especially since we whiffed on most of our targets in last year’s class. JUCO appears to be the best and necessary route to patch up the dam right now.
Along those lines, you don’t typically hear about the JUCO offers that go out because those guys don’t self promote as much as the highschool kids. Nobody knew JUCO DT Craig Evans was even on our radar till Friday of last week when he announced he would be coming for an official visit. I say this because it may look discouraging when looking at the lack of JUCO OL/DL offers we have out there, but that doesn’t mean we’re not recruiting those areas hard right now.
Also, where’s Miki Fifita? He looked promising out of highschool, but I never see his name
That’s what I’m saying. Sophomore on the roster. Never here about him. Maybe he’ll come in and tear it up Jr and Sr. Year.
GA talking about getting the ball past the 50 and getting no points, including the 2 turnovers. To me that’s the difference in that game. Reminds me a lot of Riley teams. They’d always move the ball then stall when they needed a clutch play to score. I’m not sure how to break that trend…better players, probably.
Easiest step to make is when in field goal range after a turnover, don’t run plays that would risk losing big chunks of yardage. Didn’t we run a reverse with Bolden which resulted in a big loss after the first Boise St turnover? Followed by a QB sack for another big loss?
Having the ball at your opponent’s 20 should be at least a gimme field goal. Teach your offensive coordinator to stop shooting himself in the foot with risky play calling.
And as a rule, never give Victor Bolden the ball behind the line of scrimmage.
Good rule!
GA seems cranky. I have a feeling he’s going to bail on OSU before this rebuild is complete.
Bail where?
Lewis and Clark……..for a rebuild.
LSU, where else?
A lot of schools further along in the rebuilding process would be interested in him. Everyone knows he’s a good coach in a bad situation. He could get a lot of jobs.
He only has himself to blame, really; it starts at the top.
You’d think that leaving USU, Wisconsin, and OSU so quickly would reflect negatively on him. I’d certainly have to think more about hiring a guy who has hopped around so much.
Seems like it’s more likely that Tinkle leaves. Apparently he was very close to taking the Stanford job.
Angry, do yimiu remember a post you made awhile back about OSU donors? Something like a list of our wealthiest alumni?
Wanted to check it out and dream a little. Maybe as fans, we can band together and harrass our wealthiest alum into contributing to the program. I’m getting impatient with the slow rebuild route. Not getting any younger and I want OSU to be relevant sooner than later.
To build off that, I was doing a little reading last night and came across this story about Kenny Austin, the found of A-Dec Dental Equipment. He’s one of our wealthiest alumni, but what i didn’t know, is Kenny was the first “Benny the Beaver” mascot. You know that picture you use for your twitter profile? That’s Kenny Austin. Also sounds like “Benny” was given that name because it was so similar to “Kenny” Check out the link below. Pretty cool stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgRpjC7FECM
I have met Ken a couple of times at some trade shows. He is really a great guy. His company, A-Dec, is the equivalent of Mercedes in the dental equipment field. The engineering of their products is always fantastic and the stuff is built like a tank. Original Benny and his wife created a world class company.
Back in my days of machining I made many of the dental parts you speak of for Adec (Dental components incorporated being the other company). So there goes your theory of built like a tank. Kidding of course. Thanks for that wonderful stroll down amnesia lane
That’s awesome. i showed my lady and she started crying.
Seems like a great dude. He must donate a lot if he cares that much about OSU and Benny.
I think this is the post you’re talking about: http://angrybeavs.com/athletics/8307
For some reason the links are missing. I think it was due to losing the post via an error and then pasting it from Google’s cache. The links went missing in that process.
Maybe in the comment section people chime in with more names. But we do seem to have fewer donors than most programs, and the large donors we do have don’t seem generous (yes, I realize they just raised a lot of money a few years ago, but in general they kept their wallets closed for decades).
Then again, Paul Allen graduated from Washington State, and he doesn’t seem to do much at all for their football program. Maybe rich people just don’t care about football. They’re probably too busy doing business and living life.
Except for the rich guy that owns half of the Milwaukee Bucks. He seems to ignore OSU and any affiliation altogether.
Wes Edens, the Milaukee Buck owner, who is working on a deal with David Beckham to build a soccer stadium in Miami………sigh……
Doesn’t Beckham have other wealthy friends to help him out? We need Wes Edens interested in Corvallis.
http://therealdeal.com/miami/2016/06/20/beckham-courting-all-aboard-florida-investor-to-help-fund-miami-soccer-stadium/
All the rich alums tend to do that. Maybe it’s shameful to go to OSU.
Jen Tsun Huang hasnt disassociated himself with OSU at least.
Seems like am approachable guy too. Here he in om campus, sharing stories about asking investors to fund his company as a startup. Seems appropriate.
https://youtu.be/hqiBzmuqPNY
@ Nicebeaver
Thanks for the link to Jen-Hsun Huang giving a talk to the OSU students. After watching that video I noticed there was a video of him giving a talk to Stanford students and in the introduction they mentioned that he got his masters from Stanford. In the next sentence they mentioned that there was at that time a new $30 million dollar building on campus named after him.
Jen-Hsun Huang – Stanford student and Entrepreneur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn1EsFe7snQ
September 10, 2008
Jen-Hsun Huang pledges $30 million for innovative engineering center at Stanford
http://news.stanford.edu/pr/2008/pr-building-092408.html
I also watched that video and found it interesting to compare the information he transmitted to the two audiences.
You’re probably already aware of all of this but I thought I’d pass it along just in case.
Keep digging and here’s hoping you strike gold. :-)
Glad you liked the Huang video. I ended up watching almost the whole thing. He’s a really interesting guy. I’ll have to check out the Stanford one you linked later today.
There’s also a youtube video of Huang and Elon Musk that I intend to watch. Sounds like these guys are at the forefront of self driving car technology right now.
@ Nicebeaver: Yeah, I watched the Huang, Musk video too. Didn’t know Huang/Nvidia has been deeply involved with the Tesla automobile since day one but it makes sense now that I think about it.
> He seems to ignore OSU and any affiliation altogether.
The $15 million (or whatever it was…the largest gift) for the Valley remodel was him.
Was that something you read, or just rumor?
He also hosts OSU finance students in New York on an annual basis.
I get why they’d want to donate money towards something that could give them more return on their investment, like education at OSU rather than athletics. There would need to be some incentive for them to donate big money to our AD. Phil Knight has incentive since duck success leads to brand promotion. Making flashy uniforms a thing helped them grab new contracts with teams that were willing to spend…spend..spend to keep up with the Oregons in that regard.
Since our wealthiest alumni, with the exception of Edens, do not come from a sports related industry, there has to be another way to make it worth opening the checkbook.
Curious, does anybody know how long Reser owns naming rights to Reser stadium? I found this article that says we sold the name for $5M over 10 years, with the option of another 15 years for an additional $7.5M if donated by 2003. I don’t know if that additional donation ever happened even?
http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/1999/06/19990621/No-Topic-Name/Oregon-State-Renames-Stadium-For-Much-Needed-$5M.aspx
Can we sell naming rights to Reser or Gill? I know there’s history behind the names and most people would frown upon changing them, but to compete with the big boys, I think it needs to be considered.
Husky stadium sold “field” naming rights to Alaska Airlines for $41M over 10 years recently.
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/uw-alaska-airlines-agree-to-naming-rights-deal-for-husky-stadium/
It’s so very Oregon State of us to get $5M over 10 years for the stadium name, while UW gets $41M over 10 years for just the field name. Sure, different dollar values between the late 90’s and today, but still a pretty wide gap.
I really don’t want a corporate name on the stadium. That will be the final nail in the sport for me.
We already have a corporate name on the stadium. The Reser foods logo is right there on our turf
http://psuvikingtales.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Reser-Stadium-Oregon-State.jpg
Yeah but Reser is an alum/associated with OSU. I don’t want something like an airline. What the hell does Alaska Airlines have to do with Washington?
Head quarters is in Washington I believe. And seattle is their main hub.
Let’s contact the NVidia guy, and sell naming rights to our Jumbo Tron and plaster NVidia’s logo all over the thing. Maybe even upgrade the video board to showcase the power of Nvidia’s graphics processors to the fans watching the games? Let them slap an Nvidia logo on player’s helmets like Nike does. It’s not like Nike manufactures the helmets. Riddel does. Why does Nike get their logo on there?
http://image.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width620/img/beavers_impact/photo/18712814-mmmain.jpg
Sometimes the simple answer is that nobody has really asked them. They are in the process of building a 160-190 million Athletic Village here at the U of Minnesota. A guy who is connected huge in the business and pro hockey community, Lou Nanne, was tapped to help with the fundraising. He was asked how come he has never donated or been involved with the athletic program, even though his playing career there launched his whole career. “Nobody ever asked me.” Several other prominent donors said the same basic thing.
That logo is on the visor not the helmet.
A visor that conveniently turns the helmet into ad space
NiceBeaver, ask Edens and the Nvidia guy.
Thats where i started. I need their digits. Can anybody help?
But if i get these guys going, i want the football field renamed “NiceBeaver Field”
I hear you about the helmet becoming an advertising space but the visor really is the source of the logo. Visors have long been a contentious space for advertising and have even been a way to sneak ads into spaces where they were not supposed to be.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2013/09/24/cam-newton-has-committed-nfl-uniform-violation-for-his-entire-career/#7f9093a137cf
With a lot donors big or small, they say the ‘no one asked me’ thing. I’ve heard it many times.
Also, does anybody have the phone number for Jen-Hsun Huang? The founder of Nvidia? Can’t find it in the phone book. Maybe it’s in the OSU directory?
Speaking of fund raising…… Hasn’t Dr. Ray raised some huge amount of money for OSU? If that’s right and he’s that good at raising funds perhaps someone should light a fire under his ass and get him started raising funds for the athletic department.
Just a thought.
Original goal was something like 700 million by 2011. They reached that goal early so they kept rolling. I think only 100 million (or close) was for athletics. Primarily the Gill renovation, Reser renovation (east endzone), Basketball practice facility, Valley, athlete performance center, and athlete academic facility.
http://campaignforosu.org/thecampaign/
$1.4 BILLION!! I started to put billion in my original post but thought naaaa it couldn’t have been that much, that’s a hell of a lot of money.
If “they” can raise that kind of money what’s a few tens of millions (or maybe $100 million) more for the athletic department?
Obviously they know how to get ahold of the heavy hitters so why not do it?
I think that they did to some degree but the institutional priority was for academics. On the one hand I wish they did more for athletics with that fundraising but on the other hand I really appreciate how they decided to leverage philanthropy (only so much of that to go around, may have reached the cap) for academics. Oregon can continue to build their jock boxes. Oregon State can continue to work on increasing the quality of education and research. In the long run, this provides greater benefit to all.
1.4 billion dollars?
http://i.imgur.com/U0F0vK4.jpg
I think that there is one significant barrier that we continue to overlook in obtaining our own Uncle Phil. The equation is not simply find ultra wealthy alum -> massive donations to athletics -> athletic success.
Even more to the point, the ultra wealthy alumni exist for every university. I think that there are a few important sub-criteria that lead those alumni to donate to a university:
1) Desire for athletic success at their alma mater
2) Living in close proximity to that university
3) Desire to special access to the program that only large donations create
4) An athletic director with the special knowledge of these criteria and then the ability to leverage them
5) Optional: Desire for notoriety associated with their large donations and the subsequent success of athletics.
I think the major barrier for OSU is finding the appropriate donor. Many of the potentially wealthy donors that can create significant program change are not local to Portland or do not have the desire for athletic success. Paul Allen was cited above as being a WSU alum. He probably doesn’t donate because he has the Seahawks and Blazers which allows him to have a sports outlet.
Ultimately it comes down to BIRG as Angry has stated about sports fans in general. Is it actually a healthy factor that OSU has relatively less grads who BIRG or is this simply a rationalization of our current state?
“Sean (Harlow) is going to play and he’ll start at left tackle.” – Coach A. on Beaver Sports Talk at BWW. #GoBeavs https://t.co/FtLt4qaMX6
Also, GA says he discussed the decision with Harlow’s dad.
And, as suggested here, Sean is on track to graduate in January.
Now it will be interesting to see what other adjustments may be made to the O-line. Example, will Andrews see time at C? will Kearsley see time at G?
LATE EDIT: Gina’s story with O-line musical chairs rundown.
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/09/sean_harlow_will_start_at_left.html#incart_river_index
“Sean (Harlow) is going to play and he’ll start at left tackle.”
Left tackle??? Uhhhh should someone tell GA that Stanton plays right tackle? :-)
Right Matador. They created a new position. Very cutting edge.
Maybe they figured that the zone-read thing would work on pass plays… you know, where you leave the DE unblocked?
Maybe the crowd should do one of those soccer cheers. Ooooolèè ooooolèè olè olè olè.
With him and Kearsely, there should be more aggression on the line. It may take a few games at least for the cohesion to develop, but OLine play should improve.
Angry,
Missed one thing when I listed what’s been happening since your short absence. Pick ‘Em is up!
Canzano’s interview with Andersen, worth a listen:
https://soundcloud.com/kxtg-the-bald-faced-truth/bft-interview-gary-andersen-8
Admits he was in a bad mood Monday and didn’t have a good attitude, had to pick it up. Sounds much better in this, says the “10-win season is a long way off unfortunately” reaffirms he’s rebuilding, and it takes time and work.
It was a bad performance by GA. It’s one thing right after a game with emotions running high, but he had a couple of days to get his thoughts together. He may be thinking, why did I leave Madison for this? He needs to be a better actor and keep selling hope. That’s all we got at this point.
Sounds as if you want Mike Riley back with that statement…glad he’s pissed off.
Yeah… I don’t need anyone soft pedaling some happy filtered bunk to me.
I also like that we’re getting depth charts and injury reports. The program is just so much less opaque nowadays.
Nigel Burton couldn’t believe Andersen isn’t on the AD search committee. Being busy was the only reason they could think of as to why.
Simple, Casey needs an AD who’ll see that his team isn’t snubbed as relates to post season play; Andersen isn’t likely to face that problem for awhile.
Um… yeah?
I mean… what NCAA football coach wouldn’t want to carve out time during the season to participate in committee meetings?
I’m sure he gets some input. I think Casey is perfectly fine as a representative voice for OSU coaches during this process. GA’s presence would just be redundant.
I get the time thing, but their concern is that the next AD should make football the #1 priority or Andersen may move on.
I guess I also found it interesting, because it was such a significant critique on Talking Beavers, but wasn’t brought up here. Usually all critiques begin here!
Its significance diminishes when Scott Barnes’ name is thrown around.
I’m pretty sure GA and Tinks are being consulted. One has a season, and the other has a signing period (and season) coming up. There is no way the search is ignoring those sports while they’re blaring in the background.
Maybe GA isn’t on the search committee because he already worked with the new AD while he was at Utah State. No more input needed from his perspective.
So you’re thinking it’s Barnes?
It’s as good a guess as any at this point, but I don’t really have any idea. He just released a statement the other day re-affirming his commitment to PItt, so that automatically means he’s got 1 foot out the door, right?
http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/11195543-74/athletic-director-barnes
Here’s his Pitt introductory Press Conference if anybody wants to get a visual (forward to 8:30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWQOQjXWzFs
He doesn’t blow my skirt up, but still already like him better than TS. And I do like him if only for the synergy he and GA had at Utah State. Also, he’s a west coast guy working at Pitt, so a move back to the West doesn’t seem like a stretch.
Looking at his wiki page:
Idk… he’s a fine candidate. And he brings a fresh vision. But with that would be someone unfamiliar with OSU. I suppose if he started saying his current job was his dream job Pitt fan would start getting nervous.
I’m thinking Heilbron or Massari.
Re fund raising for the athletic department: This is so obvious there must a very good reason for why this hasn’t be done already. But I don’t know what it is so I’m going to bring it up again.
When the Reser Stadium expansion project was taken on money had to be borrowed in the form of issuing bonds. I found the following in the GT “…state bonds accounted for $60 million of that project, with ticket revenues taking care of the bond payments…”
http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/osu-part-of-pac–arms-race/article_88109f5f-e446-5809-aa02-7fa0a4c6a7bf.html
Here’s my question and it has to do with the $1.4 BILLION that was recently raised: Instead of issuing bonds and thus paying interest payments to the bond holders why not borrow the money from the $1.4 BILLION and make the interest payments to the owner of the $1.4 BILLION (OSU) instead of the outsiders who own the bonds?
Instead of having to wait for the funds to be raised the loan could be done NOW .
The OSU fund of $1.4 BILLION would grow and the athletic department would benefit from the resulting improvements.
To me it seems like it’s a win – win deal for everything OSU.
Another thing that’s just occurred to me is it might be to OSU’s advantage if the athletic department borrowed money from the $1.4 BILLION and paid off the $60 million state bonds thus making it so that any future interest payments on that loan would be going to OSU.
It sounds like a good idea, although I don’t think there is an account sitting there holding $1.4B. That may be the amount raised to date, but most of it has probably been consumed by other construction projects around campus. Also, I think donors can specify how their money is used, so money specified for construction of Johnson Hall probably can’t be used as a loan for other projects.
It’s also too late to buy off those bonds. The interest has already been paid, and we’re just paying principal now.
You’re talking about largely directed funds. And I would question every conflict of interest in the process. Besides, if it’s not compelling enough for private interests to invest, why build it?
The NVIDIA idea is interesting. But why would a business like that invest in our stadium? You would have to come up with a design that would integrate their tech into the infrastructure and give their name prominence on anything tech related. But that’s not enough for a forward thinking company.
I would offer to partner with them in creating a sort of laboratory for them to do whatever they want in terms of creating, updating and maintaining that infrastructure. The enticement would be the opportunity for them to showcase their ideals to a media who would populate a new bank of boxes on the west side. In a boutique, controlled setting they could operate a large enough media infrastructure so as to show scalability to potential clients.
That infrastructure and partnership would be an in-kind donation to the school that can be written off as well as a source for data collection and research.
Make it as win/win as you can for the company to get involved.
Jen-Tsun hasn’t returned my calls yet….
*Jen-Hsun
And he would just be a contact, an in. He has to look out for his company. What value is there in putting money into a college stadium?
I’ve also never heard anyone mention the Schoen family. They might be enticed to give their patron a legacy like a stadium or field name.
Edens I wouldn’t peg as one who wants as much a physical legacy as one that was a part of the events that formed who he is. I’m sure more than one Bucks fan knows that he watched Lester Conner play in college. Dude’s a hoops junkie. Naming the College of VetMed, the plaza in front of Gill (if anyone bothered to do anything with it… like maybe commissioning something that would reflect the Orange Express) or the XC course and associated running trails after him would likely mean more to him. And I think each of them sounds better phonetically than Edens Stadium or Coliseum. His surname alone lends to a more pastoral use.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2009/04/fortress-group200904-2
An article by Bethany Frankel who dared to out Enron as the financial crisis developed.
She notes that Wes Edens values his privacy. If he does donate to OSU – (& does anyone have any evidence that he cherished his time at OSU?) he might not want his name on anything at all.
I don’t know who this Frankel person is, but she is neither Mintz nor Watkins. And I wouldn’t consider either one of them a whistleblower. Lay and Fastow had the shredding trucks outside their downtown building for a week before the scandal broke. Those two just didn’t try and cover anything up once the shtf.
And I don’t know that anyone cherishes any one place. I think it’s more that OSU and Corvallis are the kind of places that allow you to be yourself and get done what you want to have done. People who want the place to define them are not a great fit.
What I meant about Edens is that he doesn’t seem the kind of person who spent his formative years watching the Orange Express at Gill Coliseum, then turns around and wants his grandchildren to go watch a game in the same building with a different name. That takes a layered and shared memory away from him and his g’kids. So he wouldn’t be likely to do it because he knows he would do that to everybody.
But he probably wouldn’t be against naming a couple minor things which mean something to him personally. It probably wouldn’t bother him if a new XC course was named Edens Trail–something simple like that.
What an ideation!
Here we go. Nvidia announces new Xavier chip technology today that will influence self driving car technology.
Everybody who makes the slog down I-5 from Portland to Corvallis hates it. Let’s get some Nvidia chip driven test vehicles to take some fans to and from the game to showcase how the technology can be used to enhance the game day experience for fans.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davealtavilla/2016/09/28/nvidia-doubles-down-on-self-driving-cars-with-xavier-ai-chip-and-a-hat-tip-to-next-gen-volta-gpu/#3c8ce9f17588
“…You’re talking about largely directed funds….” Largely,,, but perhaps there’s a portion of it that could be used for this sort of thing.
“…I would question every conflict of interest in the process….” Yes but if that was kept in mind it could be set up so that those issues could be avoided. The athletic department would have to qualify for the loan just like they would if they went outside for the money.
“…Besides, if it’s not compelling enough for private interests to invest, why build it?…”
Imo that’s implying that if OSU wanted to issue a bond to pay for the expansion that no one would want the bond. Currently companies/organizations are struggling trying to find investments where they can get return on their money. My WAG is that kind of bond would be snapped up before you could blink.
Lastly, “…Besides, if it’s not compelling enough for private interests to invest, why build it?…”
Why make interest payments to private interests when OSU could benefit from the interest payments?
Precisely. While they’re at it, they should also submit that work to outside monies. Anything less would not be a wise investment because private interest bids have already calculated the feasibility. It would then become a subsidized loan, which we already do. There are not enough funds earmarked for athletics to create that kind of security.That’s why you have specific drives for these things.
“…There are not enough funds earmarked for athletics to create that kind of security….”
Based on the numbers that were being thrown around on this board regarding the Pac-12 TV deal I would have thought that OSU’s share would have given the athletic department enough of a cushion where they could afford to qualify for and make payments on a loan of significant size.
It’s a progressive payment schedule. And that’s pretty much what we’re doing with the excess at the moment.
That $1+ billion is earmarked for specific programs, scholarships, capital, etc. by the donor.
When OSU starts winning, pocketbooks will open up. That’s the easiest way to raise money. Win.
As someone pointed out earlier….. has anyone asked?
In this case has anyone asked Dr. Ray if it’s possible that a loan could be made from the $1.4 BILLION to the athletic department?
DubiousBeav – I hope it’s obvious I’m not directing this question specifically at you. Just asking in general.
Unless donors specified this specific use of funds, generally speaking, universities don’t get to use discretionary funds in this manner. There are probably laws against it. I can’t imagine any sane oversight would allow home-baked deals like this for a lot of reasons.
Of course, I say this while living in Eugene. So I guess I can imagine it.
Another question, does the $1.4B figure include the money raised for the VTV remodel? I would think it has to.
Campaign ended in 2014. So any funds raised after that date are not included.
Also the campaign for OSU began in 2007 or 2008 IIRC. The Reser expansion was already completed (phase I). I think some of the money went towards phase II (the scoreboard side).
The Speculum.
Funny, just realized Marianne Vydra follows @beavrecruiting.
Should I send her a DM to ask for Huang’s contact info?
I don’t think you should talk about your huang on twitter.
If she follows @beavrecruiting there is a possibility that she comes here too…I really think Ed Ray should do more fundraising just for the athletics. At least get Reser finished, even if it requires a name change. I get so tired of the half finished stadium. Personally I think it’s like a direct reflection of how our football program is. Not quite built and it’s taking forever ,& honestly how many other P5 programs have a stadium that’s been half built for what seems like forever. Imagine what some of the student athletes think, you want me to play here and you guys don’t have a complete stadium? It’s a tough sell and sadly I think it does matter to a lot of the 4* &5* athletes.
Eggers says it may not matter who starts at QB for the Buffs, picks them to whip the Beavs 38-17.
He says, “The Buffaloes are a bowl team this year, and maybe more”
Everyone is a little too high from them beating a lowly Oregon team.
They’re basically slightly better than the Beavs and now find themselves in a let down game vs a team craving a Pac win.
I’m more impressed by their showing at Michigan than Oregon
You are correct.
A primer for institutions who believe they are associated with higher learning:
1. This is a trident, a form of gig: https://openclipart.org/download/248580/Trident.svg
2. These are buffaloes: https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/04/af/f9/85/gorillas-and-wildlife.jpg
Nice red rocket.
“What are the cows doing daddy?”
“Maybe more”………….the only thing “more” than a bowl game, would be a spot in the four team playoffs, right? Eggers lost me there.
I think there are different levels of “more.”
1. win division
2. win conference
3. win Rose Bowl
4. participate in four team play-off
5. win NCG
We were wondering what Stansbury did in a recent thread. Did anyone mention this from back in June? I think it went under the radar. Good move.
CORVALLIS, Ore. – Oregon State men’s basketball head coach Wayne Tinkle received a two-year contract extension that takes him through the 2021-22 season, Vice President/Director of Athletics Todd Stansbury announced Tuesday.
Agree, that was a good move, but also seems like a move any AD could have made. Tinkle interviewed with Stanford and was ready to make the change, which forced us to offer and extension or cut bait.
Heard Brandon Sprague on the radio last week say he spoke to somebody within the AD who told him Tinkle to Stanford was much closer to a reality than most fans think.
I think Tinkle pulled a Riley and entertained it to get an extension. No way he’s leaving Tres, unless Tres planned to take a year off and heal/transfer. That’s possible…
Just FYI on the Riley to USC thing. That was much closer to a done deal than most think (encouraging people close to him to consider moving to LA, etc).
USC is terrible at hiring head coaches. Why is that?
Brain damage from that song the band plays every 30 seconds.
USC is terrible at hiring head coaches because they think they need someone who understands the mythical culture of USC, not win football games. Apparently, the higher-ups think the fans would not like to go undefeated every year unless it happens “their” way, whatever way that may be.
Alabama was the same way for a while. They got over that, and now they have the most self-centered human on the planet in charge of their program. Apparently they don’t care as long as they win.
Who knew it was that simple?
PHIL STEELE REPORT:
Oregon State (Offense: 106 / Defense: 85 / Special Teams: 37) – Game Grade Average 73.9 (#94)
Projected Final Record: 1-11
Colorado (Offense: 42 / Defense: 34 / Special Teams: 115) – Game Grade Average 100.4 (#8)
Projected Final Record: 8-4
Colorado QB Liufau was injured vs Michigan 2 weeks ago & rFr Montez came on in relief & looked extremely wide eyed in the Big House. Fast forward to last week & it wasn’t clear if Liufau would return & Montez did indeed get the start, but looked like a totally different QB as he led the Buff’s to their 1st win over Oregon as a Pac-12 member, throwing for 333 yards while completing 72%! Liufau’s status for this game is still a ? but after last week’s growth I have no problem going with Colorado in this game. The Buff’s will have the edge on offense & defense and are playing at home. Against my #38 toughest schedule, Colorado is +217 ypg, while Oregon State, despite playing just my #85 toughest slate, is actually -44 ypg. I’ll call for the Buff’s to win by almost 3 TD’s.
COLORADO 37 OREGON STATE 17
POSITION BY POSITION EDGES:
WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL:
Oregon State QB/WR’s vs Colorado DB’s: COL +1.00
Oregon State RB’s vs Colorado LB’s: COL +1.03
Oregon State OL vs Colorado DL: COL +0.82
WHEN COLORADO HAS THE BALL:
Oregon State DL vs Colorado OL: COL +1.16
Oregon State LB’s vs Colorado RB’s: COL +0.23
Oregon State DB’s vs Colorado QB/WR’s: BOST +0.59
MISCELLANEOUS:
Special Teams: ORST +3.14
Kicking: ORST +0.52
Coaching: COL +0.25
Oregon State Total: 3.66
Colorado Total: 5.08
Positional Edge Awarded to Colorado By 1.42 Points.
PROJECTED BOX SCORE (Oregon State – Colorado):
Rushing Yards: 111-218
Passing Yards: 115-287
Yardage Total: 226-505
Projected Final Score: 17-37
Experience Rankings: 75-9
Team Schedule Strength: 85-38
Las Vegas Line: Colorado by 18
Las Vegas Total: 55 Points
+/- Ratings: Colorado by 21.0
Game Grade: Colorado by 29.5
Computer Yards: Colorado 505-226
Computer Points: Colorado 37-17
All noise.
Beavs are going to pull the upset.
Who hacked your account?
Today is opposite day.
That was yesterday.
#85 toughest slate? Two of the three teams have a combined zero losses. #85 is not a correct computation.
Consider the fact that the schedule computation has nothing to do with the team’s record but rather the strength of the opponent. For example, you would get more creed for playing a 2-2 LSU than a 4-0 San Diego State team. Opponent record is just one very small part of what’s factored into determining schedule strength. Also, Colorado played a game at Michigan, which is a lot harder than anything that OSU has had to face to this point, as another example. (at least this year).
I would say that if the numbers for a football RPI don’t put SDSU above LSU, the numbers are not correct. In fact, Boise should be lower than LSU.
edit: so it appears what is intuitive is also correct
http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_power_rankings.html
The anomaly I was looking for would be Mississippi on that list. That’s because their “algorithm” for SOS is this (1.3):
http://realtimerpi.com/faq.html
That’s a really shallow methodology. Although, it’s better than USN&WR’s college rankings, which is just a survey of people’s feelings.
OT… they (they being the idiots who bought it in the first place) are discovering that surveys about feelings have nothing to do with the quality of an education. I can’t find it right now, but one researcher said it appeared more likely to correspond with how many cups of coffee a respondent consumed than it did to how much a student learned.
Amazing.
As shallow as that methodology for SOS may be, it’s also what is common and is appreciated more than those who use arbitrary rankings in theirs. Going back to Numbers’ contention that #85 can’t be correct… he’s right.
http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_Oregon_State_Beavers.html
I think someone read the RPI and conflated it with SOS.
Another indication that these calculations themselves are flawed is that NDSU sits right in front of us at 86. That’s just not correct. I’ve watched them play, and they’re easily a top 30 FBS football team. In fact, they probably beat Ole Miss in a road game seven out of ten games.
That’s about the same score Eggers picked (maybe 37-14?).
This is a good chance for an upset. CU may be too high after UO, Andersen can point to to CU and where they were and where they are and tell his team that they need to make the same progress.
Recently, CU v. OSU was about who WASN’T going to be last in the PAC…now CU has moved on from that. That could be troubling if one didn’t realize that a) these things cycle and b) OSU has a long history of being the league doormat.
Off topic, I will not be watching the game live(will try to catch a replay of it). My oldest daughter ( I like radishes a lot ) asked me to take her out hunting on opening day of Blacktail buck season. She’s 18 now and the quality time with her has faded as she’s gotten older, so I jumped at the chance. Seems like it was just yesterday I was dropping her off at grandma’s house so I could go hunting without having to worry about changing diapers.
Much better use of your time. Best of luck for a great experience, maybe some great venison meals with her over the next year.
A down vote? Seriously?
I was fishing with my bro last Saturday instead of watching BSU game. Weather was incredible, catching great trout….we talk about crazy sports fans in the southeast and east coast, how they seem to prefer living vicariously to actual living experiences. You can always watch the highlight of the game.
Good luck again, here’s to backstraps and eggs in your near future!
Thanks, I think a majority of the hardcore fans back east wouldn’t know what to do on a deer hunt or fishing trip. City folk! I love the beavs but I love the outdoors just as much.
Someone probably doesn’t like carrots.
Perhaps… a parsnip fan?
I can only hope my daughters will ask me that or elk hunting or duck hunting. They are four and already have the fishing bug for kokanee and salmon. It’s way more fun with them than without.
I’m sure they will, you’re getting them started young. I love taking both my girls fishing ( usually trout, bass, bluegill, crappie and catfish). The look on their faces when they hook into one and land it is priceless. I’ll never forget the 1st fish my youngest landed(with help) she is 8,got bored and was playing in the sand. I got a bite, set the hook and handed off to her. She really struggled to get this fish in. Finally after actually helping her crank the reel we got this thing to shore. I scooped it out of the water and holy cow it’s a 5lb bass. She started doing this crazy victory dance. It was the funniest thing. I have ever seen
Mine haven’t reeled in a salmon yet, that’s going to be a few more years. But they both have reeled in kokanee (with dad’s help). I told them they have to kiss their first fish they land, because it’s the rules in fishing. They agreed until it was time to pucker up. The first one did an air kiss from about a foot away, the second started screaming nooooo, nooooo I don’t want the kiss the fish. I’m sure the guy fishing next to us thought I was trying to murder my kids.
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kid: I don’t want to kiss the fish. My mother is a really important person… in our relationship. But I guess you already knew that.
you: Now it places the largemouth in the basket.
I love it! The youngest girl likes to play with the fish once they’re on the stringer
I didn’t truly appreciate barbless hooks until I took the kids fishing.
Good decision, and good luck.
Thanks, I’ve also got a bear & cougar tag that still need filled. The area we’re going to has all 3 animals, so here’s to hoping we get something
Don’t tell your wife your trying to nail a Cougar.
If GA is wondering why his team looked unfocused last week in the 1st half, maybe he just needs to check out his own players’ youtube accounts.
https://youtu.be/MbVrtCg_Mvc
I imagine players on other teams are doing the same or similar thing(s). So many people are focused on using social media, whether or not they have anything to say. Waitammint!….
I’ll take a team full of players that are more interested in on the field results than a team full of “how good I look if we win or lose” players. I understand those types of players are getting harder to find.
And while I’m at it, get off my lawn!
I watched snippets of the video all the way through. I’m not sure what you’re referring to, nicebeaver. It seemed like usual college kid stuff.
I’m probably just naive. I just doubt Christian McCaffrey and his Stanford teammates are playing grabass in the hotel room right now as they prepare for UW tomorrow.
I can’t get it to play. Is it as bad as the videos of Roberto Nelson, Johnathan Hoover, and Joe Burton playing with a dildo at their house by the golf course a few years ago? No nudity, just clothed weirdness.
That really happened? So glad they didnt have instant social media to share the stupid shit i did while in college
Sounds like a gay old time.
Okay?
What are we checking for?
Sounds like nicebeaver is disturbed by some college guys wrastlin’ Maybe there would be some incidental genital touching that makes him uncomfortable?
I’m all for genital touching, but think it should hapoen after the game. Preferably after a W
Colorado is a good example of how patience helps turning a program around. The last three years they’ve been getting better but still the cellar dweller. It looks like in year four they are finally breaking out in a big way. For those of you who think the Oregon game was a blip, it still means a lot to them, but consider this: Colorado was leading at Michigan 28-24 until Liufau went out with an injury and then Michigan ran two punts back to win. This is not the same team that was a doormat for the last few years. Oregon State would do well to take a few notes on what’s happening in Boulder right now, because that’s exactly what they’re aiming for.
Hey, if they surpass everyone’s expectations and win Saturday, good, it means we’re way ahead of schedule. But I think Colorado is right now showing OSU the blueprint for climbing out of the cellar.
I really don’t think a win Saturday means the Beavs are ahead of schedule on the rebuild. It likely means the Buffs just overlooked us. If the Beavs win tomorrow and 2-3 more games this year then you can say they’re ahead of schedule. But from what I’ve seen so far, they still have a long way to go.
If the Beavs win tomorrow it will be based on much more than the Buffs (Bison!) overlooking the Beavs.
A 60 minute focused effort and some improved play calling, along with improved O-Line play will be required; and that applies even if the “overlook” factor is in play.
But, yes, it will take more wins to justify saying the rebuild is ahead of schedule.
Yeah, looking forward to GA sobbing after his first Pac 12 win.
Room mates …
Garretson – ” Dude, I fucken need you ! i’m getting hammered.
Harlow – Dude , I got you . I’m playing .
Pass the dildo, Bra!
#TMI
Yeah… it’s an interesting share.
Not enough, really.
Off to Idaho to fill my deer tag, so I won’t be sharing in your misery real-time. I’ll save that pain for DVR replay.
OldBeav and NiceBeav, I made a game thread and post-dated it for tomorrow at 10:20. If it’s not up by then it means something went wrong, so feel free to put something up. I should be around, though, unless I die in my sleep.
“die in my sleep”?………OK gambler,…that the best that you can hope for?
Hey, I just had to have my appendix removed. Glad I went to ER and didn’t die in my sleep.
Hmmm… I may have to change my prediction for our game at CU. I just realized we haven’t lost to any teams outside of states in Keanu Reeves’ movie titles.
That has to mean something.
love the thread title change, btw
Glad you noticed, a little slow but it’s all about accuracy in the end, right?
This is what I have so far.
Week 5 picks:
RanYakumo: SU Tex Minn Navy Lou OSU 16-13
Nicebeaver: UW oSu PSU AFA Lou CU 55-20
beaverkman: UW oSu Minn Navy Clem CU 57-19
cj: SU oSu PSU Navy Lou OSU 21-17
Numbers: UW oSu Minn AFA Clem OSU 42-34
Theboneyard: SU oSu Minn Navy Lou CU 41-24
oneoldbeav: SU oSu PSU AFA Lou OSU 27-24
BlackBandits: SU Tex Minn AFA Lou CU 48-28
mckalk: SU oSu PSU AFA Lou CU 38-21
Outcast: UW oSu Minn AFA Lou CU 45-24
beavergopher: SU oSu Minn Navy Lou CU 31-24
whiskey: SU Tex Minn Navy Lou CU 38-17
Jack: UW oSu Minn Navy Clem CU 33-23
PDXBeav: SU oSu PSU AFA Lou CU 41-31
Mud&Sticks: UW oSu PSU AFA Lou CU 52-17
angry: UW oSu PSU Navy Lou OSU 27-24
scotty: SU oSu PSU AFA Lou CU 42-24
Gina with a story on Blount:
http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/09/inside_conor_blounts_rise_from.html#incart_river_index
Skimming through it, love his drive and determination, work ethic. Not having seen him play, I’m not sure about this athleticism and its ceiling, but several here did say he threw a “beautiful ball.”
The jury is out on Andersen and QBs at OSU, but I give him credit for recognizing this kid’s intangibles and ability and getting him to walk on. His characteristics are positive for the program.
He looked surprisingly comfortable live in person last week. I think he’s a better athlete than Garrettson
I’ve got a concern and I need to know if I am correct. I live in Corvallis and was in southtown on S. 3rd around 11 a.m. The football team buses were headed south to the Eugene airport. I did verify it was the team, as an Alaska Airlines flight from EUG-BJC departed at 12:34 p.m. PST. My concern is this: why did they leave the day before the game? There’s several problems here. They are playing at a higher elevation, and they are playing an early game. Wouldn’t you want to get there Thursday? I always thought the teams left on a Thursday when playing away.
If there are elevation issues, they will be apparent almost immediately. It’s going to be different for everyone. Other than that, you want to spend as little time at elevation as you can for an event unless you plan to acclimatize. And that wouldn’t happen in a matter of days.
Yeah, getting adjusted to the altitude can take several days to get over that feeling of huffing and puffing. An extra day won’t do anything. Watch for some sucking wind and water guzzling by the low landers.
Living in Bend, some of us are high all the time…
Want a convenient collection of stories on this week’s opponent? See cartoon at top of page – I don’t think CU’s current record is a rude awakening for OSU:
http://www.buffzone.com/football-cubuffs
So unrealistic………why would a beaver need bunny slippers?
Who said anything about needing them?
They got the beanie right, but they got the pennant wrong.
http://osubeaverstore.com/Product/Detail/black-vault-benny-pennant-1/
This is the one I have. They don’t make it any more?
http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/r04AAOSwt7pXN3wc/s-l225.jpg
Imp Petersen’s a better coach than Shaw.
Imp Petersen sounds like Chris Petersen’s mischievous brother
:-) Now that you mention it.
Substantially better coach. This is going to become a long term problem for us. But wow, what a difference to watch a team with strong O and D lines.
What’s a bit surprising for me is I though Shaw had been having highly rated linemen in his last X recruiting classes.
And better than sark. Sark was a good recruiter, Petersen obviously built on that.
Unfortunately GA was left a basket of trash and has to start from scratch.
Looks like the pac won’t be getting a playoff team. Does anyone think Washington won’t gag it down the stretch? Heck, they’ll probably lose to the quacks. Again.
Please no. The Duck fans have started to go back into their caves. Beating a Top 10 UW team to extend the streak will start bringing them back out.
Would kill would a defensive line like Washington’s. Defense becomes so much easier when you can get constant pressure on the QB only rushing four.
I don’t want to live in a world where the Huskies are good at football.
If it means the ducks suck, I’ll take it
yeah, Chris Petersen is looking good, would have loved him to come here……
Wow just turned the game on. It’s the twilight zone in seattle. Stanford oline looks terrible……seems familiar….
I think it was Chantel (sp?) Jennings who tweeted out earlier today that Stanford has only two more explosive plays than we do… and two TDs less overall. They look like us only they’re better at lateral pursuit and run D, and we’re better in coverage.
I take back the part about the run D.
And apparently Stanford has less homoerotic pre-game wrestling then the Beavs.
Or in retrospect, maybe more
So funny thinking back to sark in seattle, shit those were the days
Bring back Ty Willingham!
UW.. uh oh!
In hindsight, I feel like I did not enjoy the Fuskies 0-12 season as much as I should have. I do have to admit that Sonny Sixkiller is a hell of a nice guy. UW had him selling advertising for their games back when they were shitty, I can’t even remember if my company purchased anything. He gave me the presentation in some room that overlooked the stadium.
Washingon gets a bye week before we play them………..boy that’s going to be a fun game.
Washington up is bad, Washington and Oregon up is really bad. OSU and Wazzu are in trouble if this trends that way. Ted Bundy was a Husky. That’s all I got. C u all later.
is Oregon up?
Wow, I didn’t expect the huskies to make that game a blowout. Stanford didn’t look good at all. This year we beat Stanford!
Uhhhhh
If the Beaver D of the 2nd half of that Bronco game shows up, Beavs can pull out a close one. Does Anderson have enough film on Colorado to pull the miracle? Beavs 27- Buffs 21
41-20 Colorado is my prediction. Andersen climbs to #11 on the hot seat rankings. Beavs don’t have a tough enough run game and try to get too cute on offense. Think Pierce needs atleast 5 more carries a game. Would even try to use Collins with 5-6 direct snaps a game as a better way to throw a curve then some of the stuff we currently are drawing up.
Is the Bison on the horizon in the Beavers’ crosshairs? Or is it just barreling down on the hapless Beavers?!?
Tune into the PAC12 networks and find out! Hosted by people major networks won’t employ!
Alabama transfer QB Blake Barnett and Co-Offensive Coordinator T.J. Woods have started following each other on twitter.
And a recruiting director at Michigan State, and a Player Personnel Manager at WSU, and the OC/QB coach of Florida…
Interesting…Yray started following him too, although he didn’t get followed back. Denied!