01.Oct.2016 The Beavers Aren’t Getting Any Better

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The title says it all — this team looks just as bad, if not worse, than last year’s team.

At times vs MN and Boise State they looked improved. They had some pass rush and attitude, and game 1 I remember thinking they passed the eyeball test a bit more, but it hasn’t lead to any positive results.

What do you guys see?

Any improvement? Is the co-coordinator system doing anything for you or the team? Has there been any creativity to make up for the lack of talent? Are GA’s threats and mood swings getting old?

With each loss all of that gets worse as fans grow impatient and frustrated. The Beavs badly need a conference win to settle everyone down and show progress, yet it hasn’t happened and looks far from happening.

Meanwhile, Riley is 5-0 at Nebraska. Not saying I wanted to keep Riley. This is a gamble I’m glad we took, but he’s 5-0 and ranked #15 and climbing. He worked with the mobile QB he was given. GA booted almost every QB from the program, and ironically, has wound up basically with pocket passers. Maybe we’re all biased in favor of GA simply because he isn’t Riley and says what we wanted to hear Riley say for years. Just saying, real talk.

Anyway, I’m sure we’ll hear more talk about “the kids” bringing their “big boy pants”, but GA needs to bring his big boy pants out on the recruiting trail and up-sell this trainwreck (dubbed the GA Express) as early playing time.

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  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    If memory serves me correctly when McMaryion made his first appearance last year he threw a pick 6 in the first few plays. The play that was called was a high risk play so he didn’t have a chance to settle down and build some confidence.

    Today, imo, it was the same situation for Blount. A play was called which required timing, something he hasn’t had a lot of time to develop with his teammates.

    It’s easy to say the players aren’t good but imo at least some of the fault lies with the play calling and the coaching.

    BWDIK

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    The 1 team we did beat in the last year was Idaho St something like 31-7.
    I’m at the Portland State/Idaho St game right now and PSU leads 31-6 at the half. GA is lucky he had Idaho St on the schedule this year

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      Side note- PSU completed 0 passes today but had 531 rushing yards

  • scotty says:
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    This looks like the Colorado rebuild. They were a little worse the second year than the first. If it hits year three and the team isn’t at least competitive, then it’s panic time.

    • youngorst says:
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      Colorado was not worse in year 2. They didn’t win a PAC game like year 1 but it was a better team in year 2. Much more competitive overall in year 2.

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        Their record was worse, as will likely be ours. Hard to compare between years in either situation since they all sucked.

  • youngorst says:
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    I never bought into Anderson, his handling of the QBs last spring was a massive red flag and this year is demonstrating that he does not understand that position at all. I also recall him talking about spreading teams out and playing at different paces (no huddle at times, huddle at other times) but that has simply led to confusion and lack of a coherent offensive vision. I still don’t know what type of offense this team is trying to run.

    I don’t want Riley back but I do not feel good about Anderson in anyway, shape, or form.

    People want to blame the players and while they are overmatched on talent. They are losing PAC games by an average of nearly 30 points. They aren’t that overmatched. They just aren’t. Anderson is getting out schemed by offenses (isn’t he suppose to be a good defensive coach?) and his inability to evaluate the QB position has led to an offense that simply can’t sustain drives often enough to win games.

    Frankly, I think Anderson might just be a disaster of a hire.

    I don’t see a game I believe they can win this year. 0-18 start in PAC play along with only 3 total wins and I think Ed Ray would need to start trying to line up buy out money if it doesn’t change in year 3. You can’t let this go on for more than 3 years or you will completely lose an already dwindling fan base. Last week Reser was 25% empty and would have been 50% empty if not for Boise State fans driving to Corvallis. By 2018 I think they’d be lucky to draw 15,000 fans without significant improvement. That alone makes a buyout worth it.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      The talent and depth on the offensive and defensive lines is not good. Buffs QB’s had all day to throw today. The first two touchdowns the safety clearly made the wrong read on who he was supposed to cover whom and both were easy TD pitch and catch.

      You’re wrong about most of the talent in those positions. If it weren’t true why was the redshirt on Harlow pulled this week?

      as you stated in the previous thread QB play is a problem. But it’s only part of the problem. You could put the second coming of Brett Favre back there and he wouldn’t look much better behind that offensive line.

      The defensive front continues to get very little push. As a result the continually get burned. But they make up for it by continually taking poor angles, making wrong reads/calls (see the Buffs first two easy TD’s) and flailing after missing tackles. I see very little talent in the upper classmen and a lot of mistakes by them and the underclassmen. If Chappell is one of your best defensive players, that’s pretty damn pathetic.

      As for Riley being 5-0, he is winning with Bo Pelini’s players. And argue all you want but two years ago Nebby still had better talent. Let’s see where both the coaches and programs are after 4-5 years.

      I’m with scotty. This is going to be a Colorado like rebuild. There was plenty of teeth gnashing in Boulder the first 3 years I’m sure. Look where they are now in year 4.

      And wtf is up with the receiving corps? Villamin has all but disappeared, Bolden is……well Bolden so you take the good with the bad, Collins has been a bright spot (idk what happened today everyone was butthurt that he did, I missed it). We heard all spring and fall about Timmy Hernandez and I’m not sure he’s even caught a pass this season. Paul Lucas has been mia as well. What. The. Fuck.

      I said last week the O and D line recruiting needs to be top priority. I stand by that statement. Mason Moran is the future at QB but they are not going to pull his redshirt this season.

      GA’s first year recruiting to me is a moot point. Mostly garbage and filler as he had little time to pull that class together. Let’s see if there’s improvement now that the VFC expansion is almost complete before we go along with the you can’t recruit to Corvallis bullshit. After all, Leach won 9 games in Pullman last season. It can’t be any easier to recruit there.

      I’m at a loss too and just as frustrated as everyone else that is has become this bad. This team looks worse in game 4 than it did in game 1. Competition have something to do with it? Maybe.
      After 16 games I don’t think it’s time to throw the baby out with the bath water. Let’s stay the course here

      • youngorst says:
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        “You’re wrong about most of the talent in those positions. If it weren’t true why was the redshirt on Harlow pulled this week?”

        I don’t recall making any claims about the talent on the offensive line or the defensive line so not sure what you are talking about with that statement/question.

        I made 2 claims with regards to the QB:
        1) The QB had multiple opportunities to make big completions downfield and his accuracy was a problem
        That was true regardless of the OL talent, those opportunities were there
        2) That the QB failed to recognize times that CU had a free blitzer and didn’t hit the hot route
        That was also true.

        I at no time made any other claims about the talent on the OL.

        As for what would happen if this team had the 2nd coming of Brett Favre, they’d have scored more than 6 points. I guarantee it. OL talent be damned, an elite QB will score points.

        That does not mean OL talent isn’t important but claiming elite QBs need one to be successful is simply untrue, its not a necessity for an elite QB; it just isn’t. Plenty of elite QBs have succeeded behind bad lines. Happens all the time.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          Newsflash. We don’t have an elite QB. Not right now, not even close. An elite QB would obviously help score more than 6 points. But with that hot garbage O line he isn’t gonna lead them to 47 and probably wouldn’t even last the entire season. It’s painfully obvious Garretson does not trust his offensive line. I wouldn’t either. A Qb can’t do it all by himself. I guess you missed the last half of Sean Mannion’s last season where the front half of the schedule was cupcake loaded and the back half was against better defensive teams. I wonder how that one turned out?

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            Dude, you do realize I am not disagreeing with you right? You brought up Favre, not me. Garrettson sucks, I don’t care if OSU had the Dallas Cowboys line, he’d still be failing. Blame the OL is dumb. Garrettson stinks.

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            And I do remember the last half of Mannion’s senior year. They were still scoring plenty of points unlike now.

  • Chuck_The_Mouth says:
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    It’s called rebuilding… It doesn’t happen overnight especially when you start with essentially nothing…. people act like coaching can overcome everything… when you lose 6 offensive lineman it’s gonna set you back, it’s just reality… this stuff takes time, look at Colorado, they are a prime example…. Does it make it hard to watch? Yes… Does a loss like this mean they aren’t making progress? No…. My question is what was everyone expecting of this team in year two of a rebuild? A world beater? Have some realistic expectations, this isn’t a “Rudy” story… it’s going to be awhile, my eyes are on year 3, no progress by then and I will join in on the bitching

    • angry angry says:
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      I was expecting a better team, since they actually had an offseason this past year to work things out and settle in.

      I don’t think it’s unreasonable.

      Say I took a year off to practice guitar and then came back worse. Would that make any sense? Of course not. Yet with football people accept it. As time goes by and you practice things the expectation is you get better at said things.

    • youngorst says:
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      People keep making the Colorado comparison but its simply not a fair comparison. It just isn’t.

      In year 2 Colorado was competitive at Cal (2 OT loss), vs. Oregon State (5 point loss), vs. a ranked UCLA team (2 OT loss), and vs. Utah (4 point loss).

      Anyone really feel like OSU will be within 10 in 4 games out of the next 8? I don’t.

      Colorado circa 2014 was a better team than OSU circa 2016 is.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        Cal was rebuilding with a new HC in Sonny Dykes as well. They also got blown out a few times that year. You can’t cherry pick some of the results to support your argument. If this continues for the rest of this season than I will agree with you.

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          Not cherry picking. As I said, anyone feel like OSU is within 10 points in 4 of the next 8? I don’t.

          I bet their average margin of loss was much smaller than OSU is on pace for as well.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            “In year 2 Colorado was competitive at Cal (2 OT loss), vs. Oregon State (5 point loss), vs. a ranked UCLA team (2 OT loss), and vs. Utah (4 point loss).”

            Yet no mention of the blowout losses they suffered that year in your post. THAT is cherry picking stats. Your other statement of OSU not being within 10 points in 4 of last 8 games is an opinion. At the end of the season if the statement is true then it becomes a fact and as I stated then yes I would agree with you. Until then………………

            I’m sorry you see Pac-12 caliber talent where it isn’t. Can’t help you there. What you can do is a position by position comparison to the other 11 Pac teams and see if you think the OSU player at that particular position is statistically better or more skilled.

            What I CAN tell you is that Oregon St had zero players on the first or second offensive or defensive all conference teams when the awards were announced last December. 5 were honorable mention and 3 of those 5 are gone either due to graduation or the NFL draft (Seumalo). That doesn’t speak of having talent at many positions really.

          • Youngorst says:
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            What are you talking about? I never claimed they didn’t lose in blow outs. The Beavs have been competitive in 1 PAC under Andersen at best (the Civil War). And that was the point I was making, Colorado was competitive in SOME games early….I’m still waiting for the Beave to do that. Jesus. You win.

            Andersen is an amazing genius of a head coach and I’m just a stupid idiot that can’t see the genius of tearing the team down to its skeleton and rebuilding it. You have convinced me.

  • DubiousBeav DubiousBeav says:
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    Can’t defend an 0-18 record in conference play if that is where this season ends. Cal, Wazzu, and Colorado didn’t even do that poorly through two seasons, and I’d argue they were facing much worse circumstances.

    I expect to see GA make some coaching changes at the end of this season if he finishes 1-11. It’ll be very disconcerting if he doesn’t.

    • angry angry says:
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      So you’re saying the “old band” will be breaking up?
      I’m not sure about that. Maybe Baldwin gets scapegoated, but the real problem seems to be elsewhere. I’m not at all impressed with GA’s in-law. He was QB coach last year and that was a disaster and now this year it continues. It seems like GA delegates QB evaluation and development to him.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Ummm, Brennan’s not part of the old band. Maybe he is the one who is chopped?

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          That would be kinda like kicking the wife cuz you don’t have a dog to kick, eh? In fact kicking the dog isn’t so smart either.

          P.S. My wife is threatening to buy me a dog so I’ll stop….

  • youngorst says:
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    318-566

    So in Anderson’s 16 games the Beavers have scored 318 points and given up 566 points.

    On average they are losing 35-20 and that includes the 3 wins. Take the wins out and that drops to 220 vs. 531 points in losses or the losses are on average 41-17.

    Those numbers aren’t just ugly, I am struggling to believe they are true. This team is not even competitive.

  • Jerrod says:
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    If we were willing to play Seth Collins as a True Freshman, why not Moran? If he isn’t already better than the stable of QB’s we have then he isn’t likely the QB of the future. In a perfect world we could redshirt every freshman QB, but this team needs the best option and if that is Moran, he needs to play now. Was our defense so bad in practice that Garretson seemed like a viable option this year or is GA mismanaging the QB situation again? Play Moran now, see what you have and hit the recruiting trail hard for a decent QB. Andersen keeps this up he won’t be here for Moran’s final season anyway, IMHO. Just throwing a few ideas out, seeing what sticks to the wall, much like what GA has done with his team this year. By the way Wisconsin’s QB play looks much improved last two years, coincidence?

    • angry angry says:
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      Agree. Play Moran. Can’t worry about burning redshirts, plus he’d get almost a full season of development.

    • youngorst says:
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      Nope, why burn Moran’s redshirt for 8 games when its unlikely to make a difference? Have to take the long term view with Moran at this point. You can argue GA should have gone with Moran from game 1 but now that the team is 1-3 you don’t burn a year of eligibility.

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        That said, I’d start Blount the rest of the way and see if he has the potential to be given a scholarship and battle Moran for the 2017 job.

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          i agree lets see blount from the start. if garrettson hits some of those deep balls and other passes at the beginning of the game it would have been competitive at least for a little while. when you don’t hit those passes it stalls drives and kills momentum and allows the defense to cheat. i think moran is redshirting because he just isn’t ready to play yet. i remember reading a lot of practice reports where he threw picks.

      • angry angry says:
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        Play him to keep the fanbase engaged and get him ready for next year. I mean why even watch or attend a Beaver game? There is no improvement and effort is on the decline instead of incline. There has to be a reason to watch or go. Moran, in return, would get 8 games under his belt and be ready next year. Meaningless games like these are the best time to get him experience.

        • youngorst says:
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          Same could be said for Blount and his redshirt is already burnt. Its short sighted and 99% of the fan base has no idea who Moran is so they’d get no more excited by seeing him than they’ll get with going with Blount. You are just as likely to stunt his growth by throwing him into games too early as you are to help him grow as a player.

          Blount is the less valuable walk on commodity. Let him take the lumps.

          The only way Moran helps draw in fans is if they start winning with him in there and if he were ready to make that happen I think he would have already been in the game.

  • wannabeav says:
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    Not only is the team NOT getting any better, one could argue it has gotten demonstrably WORSE every game. It’s hard to believe that last year’s game vs. Colo. at Reser was a competitive match up and this one wasn’t as close as the score indicated. In the Mannion era I was of the opinion that OSU was effectively playing 10 vs. 11, because Sean was so immobile. I now realize that was a vast overstatement. Yes, it would have been nice to have had a QB with a semblance of mobility (everyone else seems to have one; indeed Garretson is appreciably more mobile than Mannion) but the fundamental skill required in a QB is being able to deliver the ball, and Garretson has now proved he can’t. I didn’t watch or listen to the second half, so I’m going out on a limb to say that Blount’s first game productivity was perhaps a bit like Nick Mitchell’s one flash of effectiveness mid-season last year before we could all see it was a fluke. I don’t think it’s our of the realm of possibility that we see Moran play this year. Without regard to how one views that question in the abstract, the ONE thing we know for sure is that the Andersen has completely bungled the QB situation at OSU and why would we think that should stop now? I ‘ve been chastised in this forum for two years de-crying the fact that Del Rio was run out of town. I’ve never bought the “he doesn’t fit the scheme argument” because half the time OSU huddles up anyway. In sum: a near perfect storm: UW ascendant, Riley winning elsewhere; only the Ducks losing a bit offers a quantum of solace.

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      fundamental skill required in a QB is being able to deliver the ball

      Accuracy is the #1 skill of any sport. When looking at QBs the first thing I google is their completion %. If it’s low I don’t want the guy, or he better have a damn good excuse (awful receives who lead the league in drops, for example). Really what training is is just getting your muscles able to repeat the same motions over and over with consistency. Guys who lack accuracy had a breakdown in discipline somewhere along the way. Take Collins…my guess is that he relied on his legs so much he never fully trained his arm. Guys fail for various reasons like that, but it’s rarely talent. Anyone can teach their muscles to do something if they work on it properly. Proper practice is highly focused on the muscular movement at slow speeds.

      So with all this in mind, who did GA recruit at QB this cycle? Willard, who has an AWFUL completion %…

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        i thought you said you can’t teach accuracy?

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      The “he doesn’t fit the scheme” argument is so counter to the widely popular claim/philosophy of adapting to the talent you have.
      Could be GA wants to adapt to the talent on the roster, but certainly in the case of the QB position his background makes it clear that he “doesn’t fit the scheme” of productively adapting.

    • mckalk says:
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      Riley’s 5-0 is a “soft 5-0”. First half of his schedule this year is very favorable (actually more like the first 2/3rds) When he beats Ohio St., I will bow down. Unfortunately, we are going to have to go thorugh a lot of “Nebraska is back” bullshit because the division they play in is awful.

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        “Nebraska is back”… Mmm I love it when people talk dirty to me. *shiver*

  • mckalk says:
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    For some reason, I keep asking myself if this defense would be this bad if Riley/Banker had stayed. I want to believe it would, but after watching this uncompetitive dumpster fire, I don’t know what to think. Banker was awful, but this is beyond anything I would have imagined.

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      Clune seemed “slow” when speaking. When I made a thread about it, people got all over me…

      Still, I’d rather have him than Banker. Banker was just awful. Even Hawaii had no interest in Banker and went with a string of retreads over him.

      It would be nice to go outside of Utah State for some coaches.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      My first response: Pass Interference Penalties, a specialty of the hand jive D, now…not so much.

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Imo when looking the roster the last couple of years it was pretty obvious that a train wreck was headed our way if they didn’t get ‘er done w.r.t. recruiting. It’s here.

      I fault the coaching staff for not being capable of recruiting more JC help for the team on both the OL and the DL. Losing Sitake didn’t help w.r.t. recruiting but still……..

      • youngorst says:
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        Wasn’t Andersen suppose to be a JUCO recruiter? Hasn’t worked out so far.

  • scotty says:
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    Andersen isn’t as bad as he looks right now. We all know Riley isn’t as good as he looks right now. This was a multi-year rebuilding job. It sucks today because we’re caught in the no-man’s land between the rush of a fresh start and actual results.

    It’ll be okay… probably :p

    • angry angry says:
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      It sucks today because we’re caught in the no-man’s land between the rush of a fresh start and actual results

      Yes, this probably is the low point.

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    News from Corvallis… For immediate release

    “OSU President Ed Ray has ordered that all dumpsters on campus be relocated to a secure location and be guarded by campus security until further notice. Restrictions on the sale of matches and lighter fluid are also in place.”

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      This just in:
      “Lt. Cord Wood offers the help of the CPD.”

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      Based on the pronouncements Dr. Ray made when announcing this coaching staff I’d think it might be wise to lock up the dumpsters and to NOT give Dr. Ray the key nor to let him anywhere near any of them.

      • scotty says:
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        Everyone keeps bringing their A-game. Grade inflation is real.

  • mckalk says:
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    I’m still hoping GA can do this, but another thing to consider. His “turnaround” was done with a non- Power 5 team, those type of improvements aren’t that rare. We always have the Toledo’s, Miami-Ohio’s, Marshalls’, Troys going up and down. Seems like a lot of it depends on the QB

    GA did not turnaround Wisconsin. So I guess what I’m saying is that his reputation as a turnaround expert is ok, but not earth shattering. He had no previous experience turning around a Power 5 program. I hope he’s not the next Dan Hawkins.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    GA has shuffled the deck nearly every way imaginable: QB, O-line, OC, multiple position changes. Is he actually trying to match up with the “skills” of the roster or just throwing stuff at the wall? In the case of QB and OC does he recognize skills or lack thereof?

    Could be he really is “just throwing stuff at the wall” now in hopes of having enough time to establish a hard ass rep which attracts hard ass players?

    Two areas seem to have improved: Sp Teams, administrative penalties (my impression w/o research).

    • angry angry says:
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      Special teams (at least the return game) have been good for years. The penalties have definitely improved.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Was thinking specifically of the coverage unit.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        They said on the radio there has been 0 return yards on punts so far this year. For as much as we have punted that’s pretty good. I think they gained a couple of yards today, like 2 or 3.

  • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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    Rebuilds suck. I don’t expect rationality right after a big beat down. Unfortunately you have to wait years to see if they will work. You can’t have a new staff come in and blow up the program only to bail on them after 1.25 years.

  • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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    Frustration!
    We shouldn’t be going backwards.

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    I am willing to give GA four seasons to turn this program around. Using Colorado as an example. They went 1-21 in PAC12 play prior to this season. I expect this year to be bad. After playing Idaho St I only expected us to win one game all season. GA needs more time to build and recurit. Does anyone remember an 0-12 Huskies??

    • youngorst says:
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      2-22 but that was also a team that was coming off 2-10 and 1-11 seasons, hadn’t been bowling in 5 years, and hadn’t had a winning season in 7 years.

      GA took over a team that was coming off a 5-7 season and only a year removed from a Bowl game and had been bowling in 6 of the previous 8 years.

      I understand the attempt to justify the dumpster fire in Corvallis but it does not compare to the Colorado rebuild. It just doesn’t.

      I am sorry but as much as many of us dislike Riley the program was not in shambles like Colorado was when MacIntyre took over. It just wasn’t and we need to stop acting as though it was.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        3 of Riley’s last 5 years were losing records

        2010 – 3-9
        2011 – 5-7
        2012 – 9-4
        2013 – 7-6
        2014 – 5-7

        That makes your bowl game in 6 out of 8 years factually incorrect. Riley had this program trending downward. Many have acknowledged this.

        • Youngorst says:
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          I don’t deny this nor have I claimed otherwise but Riley was not trending towards the dumpster fit we’ve witnessed over the last 16 games. He simply wasn’t.

          To claim otherwise is wishful thinking.

          • Youngorst says:
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            I said took over a 5-7 team that had gone bowling 6 of the 8 PREVIOUSLY seasons, I was talking about prior to 2014

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            “Riley was not trending towards the dumpster fit we’ve witnessed over the last 16 games”

            Assuming you meant fire not fit. But again, that is an opinion and we’ll never know.

            So why not include the 2014 season? Then it would be 6 out of 9. Because 6 out of 8 sounds better????

          • Youngorst says:
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            I wasn’t discounting the 2014 season, is already mentioned it.

            If you think Riley was trending towards this I guess that is your opinion, I don’t want him back but no way do I think they go 2-10 last year under Riley nor do I think they’d look as bad as they have this year under Riley. I just don’t.

            It is possible to want Riley gone but also see that Andersen is even worse. That’s how I feel.

          • angry angry says:
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            Of course they wouldn’t be this bad under Riley. Riley wouldn’t have cut or encouraged half the team to leave. It would be like that year with Hass and DA at QB (’05?) where they stink but toss the ball around a lot and look okay doing that. Then it would be more of the same Riley crap of blowing the clock and making a mediocre bowl. GA has way more upside and downside.

  • Purse Snatcher says:
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    Lol we trash straight trash homie

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      That’s really not nice to talk about your family like that.

  • youngorst says:
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    I think we need to stop pretending this a Colorado level rebuild was needed in Corvallis. It was not. That rebuild began in 1997. GA taking over should have been more of a ‘Riley just couldn’t get them over the top so we are gonna try another direction’ move.

    Instead, its beginning to look like a Colorado like rebuild may be needed post GA. Sorry but giving him 4 years if this nonsense continues is a terrible idea. The leash should be 3 years at best, frankly if they go 0-9 again I’d pull the plug at the end of this year.

    I am just curious but how many coaches go 0 for conference play twice and eventually win that conference or even build a consistent winner? I don’t know but I am betting its a very small to non existent group.

    Maybe I am jumping the gun with 8 games left but I don’t see a win or even a competitive game left on the schedule. This truly is a dumpster fire. He will obviously get a third year, I know that but no way she he be guaranteed a 4th without significant improvement over the next 8 games and next season.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      He’s had one true recruiting class, fucking calm down. And your high if you think they would be doing any better under Riley. Riley was running this program into the ground, as evident from the class he left. 4 years is only fair on the amount of rebuild he has to do. Remember this isn’t Ohio State or the nfl, you need time to install everything and get your recruits playing your game plan. This is very close to what Colorado had to go through.

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        Sorry but I am gonna continue to call BS on this nonsense. Its not, Colorado was a dumpster fire when the rebuild started. Just because you hate Riley (and I do too) doesn’t change facts. Had Riley stayed they absolutely 100% would have won more than 2 games last year. And would likely be better right now too. To claim otherwise is just letting your hate for Riley cloud all reasonable judgement.

        When did I say anything about Ohio State or the NFL?

        Andersen didn’t need to tear this down to rebuild it, plenty of coaches take over programs and don’t take 3-4 years to have success.

        Can someone find me a coach that went 0-18 in conference play (and I think that is quite likely) to start their stint and won a conference? I seriously doubt it, good coaches steal a win or 2 even when they don’t have the talent. Maybe Andersen will but I’m not holding my breath, I think this is a dumpster fire that won’t be fixed by him.

        I guess we will find out who is right.

        • youngorst says:
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          One more thing, you say it takes time to install their recruits and their game plan. Fair enough.

          What is their game plan? I sure as hell don’t see one.

          Is it a run focused spread? Option focused spread? Pass heavy spread? Not even a spread? I honestly can’t tell.

          Defensively is just as up in the air.

          This team has no identity whatsoever.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      And for your other above comment. Name the starters on the 2013 team who are playing on this team. I think there are 3. Colorado has 13 seniors on the starting 22. They have had 4 years under their system. As opposed to the beavs 4 OCs in 4 years and 3 DCs in 4 years.

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        Neat, where are the JUCO guys Andersen was gonna go after?

        Why is their a new OC? Oh wait, Andersen hired the wrong one and wasted a year.

        Why did he drive multiple QBs away for not fitting his system than bring in QBs that aren’t really any different (and less talented) than the guys he didn’t want?

        I get it, you believe it needed to be torn completely down and turned into a Colorado rebuild. I think that is something few coaches come back from and honestly think Andersen won’t ever take OSU to a Bowl game and am 99% certain a Rose Bowl will never happen under his regime. Hope I am wrong, time will tell.

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          So he didn’t get 4 juco guys last cycle? Maybe its 3 with the 4th not making it, I’m not sure. And 2 or 3 on his first class. How many are you looking for? 12, 15 juco guys? I’m really not sure why you bring it up. Yes the oline needs help, juco guys would be nice. But we didn’t know we needed more olinemen until 3 months after spring ball. I’m not sure what you’re looking for? You can’t pull players out of the air and you have limits on how many you can sign.
          Driving QB’S away? Lol. Del Rio was tied for 3rd on the depth chart in spring. If he was so awesome why did he leave? Did you ever watched him play at OSU? He was a mediocre QB with almost 0 mobility…..perfect fit for the spread.
          And GA’S OC change….do we know if Baldwin asked to be moved. Everyone just assumes GA demoted him, yet the guy is still here. It makes no sense to stay at a school after being demoted, especially when you are fairly well known OC and have had success at other schools. If he was looking I could only imagine he would be picked up in a heartbeat.
          Riley was on a downward slide it’s a fact, I don’t care that he played in the Hawaii bowl in 2013, neither does anyone else.

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            I get it, Andwrsen is awesome and I just can’t see his genius. Thank you for letting me know.

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            Not what I’m saying at all. I’m simple answering your complaints. If you want to be a defeatist fine, but at least be honest about it.

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            I’m just being defeatist?

            0-10, only 1 win vs. an FBS team. Losing by nearly 30 points a game.

            I think you mean, realist.

            You guys are living in denial. Successful coaches don’t have 16 game stretches that are this bad. They just don’t. But keep believing its just part of the process.

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            If he doesn’t have a winning record by 2018 then he needs to go. Simple as that. I don’t think anyone here is finding that unreasonable except a few, like you.

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      I believe Riley was on the Dee Andros-like glide path. If he had stayed my sense is that OSU would have gone 3-9; 4-8 at best in 2015, and yes, it would have been even worse than that this year; approximating where we are. That’s the devious thing about his career trajectory. He leaves after ’98 when it seems the program might finally break through to a winning season. By the grace of God, Dennis Erickson drops in our lap and the damnable thing is Riley got about half the credit for the success we saw from 1999-2002. Erickson’s credibility stocks the program with several good cohorts of recruits, and when that played out, (and the level of coaching competition ramped up markedly, Riley couldn’t maintain it. The year before he probably would have been fired, Nebraska takes him off our hands.

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    Del Rio and Vanderveen so sorry you got ran off…
    you too Caleb Smith, insert names…

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      When you drop THOSE names, I think your comment is backfiring

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        I don’t know, man, those bodies would help right now.
        Better than a team of Inspector Clouseaus.

        • Youngorst says:
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          I think it’s funny how many dislike Del Rio based on Andersen dropping him down the depth chart. That truly means nothing to me. He’s shown no ability to evaluate QBs and the fact that Florida grabbed him and chose him as their starter leads me to believe he is definitely better than the guys in Corvallis.

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            So he cant complete passes during the spring ball and he’s supposed to be the #1 guy…..makes since.

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            Collins couldn’t complete passes yet Andersen made him #1.

            You do realize that right?

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            Florida would’ve taken a hamster if it could throw after what they endured last year. It’s not hard to play QB in the SEC compared to the
            Pac-12 you are not under nearly as much score to keep up pressure.

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            Seth was 12-22 with 209 yards 2 TDs and no ints in the same spring game del rio couldn’t complete a pass, Mitchell was the next best 6-12 for 59 and an int, and vanderveen threw 1 int. Yes giving seth the starting job made since then.

          • youngorst says:
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            Based on 1 scrimmage?

            That is not the best way to pick a starting QB. But to each their own.

            At worst the guy who was #2 at the end of the previous season (and had real game action) should have remained in the competition for the job into Fall camp.

            I’m done arguing. Andersen will either figure it out or he won’t. You guys will probably defend him either way.

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            He left after spring ball, how would he have competed for the job in fall?

  • Ugly says:
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    Only OSU’s punter and kicker could play on another Pac 12 team.
    Who else ?

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    ..seth collins is our best player.
    maybe return to QB ? at least wild beaver

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    The players seem confused. (or perhaps it’s me). All the talk to football players to “just do your job.” I’m not sure they know what their jobs are.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Cougs up on Oregon 28-14 just before half

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      We might not be the worst blowout in the pac today USC destroying ASU 41-6 half way through the 3rd.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Aunt Patty sure has an O-line! That’s said still acknowledging the weakness of the nike D.

  • angry angry says:
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    Some strong opinions in here.

    Riley was definitely not the answer. It’s weird people are even thinking about going there. Only thing he was good at was recruiting QBs and WRs. Bad coach, bad game management, no discipline. GA has none of those problems, but they do have the same problem of bad play calling. GA needs an OC and a QB. Then he needs bodies in the trenches and depth everywhere. Is it his fault? Yes. He let too many guys walk for being weaklings who couldn’t take his mindset, and now he’s left with nothing. He burned bridges when he claims to care about the kids. What he cares about his winning and thinks he can abuse/will people into doing that with tough love and discipline, and he can’t. Some players respond to other methods. He can’t see this, and so now he’s dug his own grave. We’ll see if he digs out of it.

    Definitely showed his warts. He’s a flawed coach, and now we know what WI fans were yapping about when they warned us.

    I think GA gets off on that moment when a program flips and he’s constantly chasing the rush of that moment. It’s like a playboy who’s 60 and still constantly chasing tail. The rush of the chase never gets old for some.

    • Youngorst says:
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      I want to be clear, I’m in no way claiming Riley was/is the answer.

      • Youngorst says:
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        My stance is that it’s reasonably clear to me that GA is not the answer either. Am I quick to pull that trigger? Yes I am but sometimes it’s obvious. I find it obvious in this case.

        Honestly, as a Seahawks fan it reminds me of the transition from the Holmgren era to the Carroll era. I had many of the same gripes with Holmgren as I had with Riley, Holmgren was clearly trending downward in Seattle, when he left they hired Jim Mora who had a decent history with the Falcons, after 1 year it was obvious he wasn’t the guy and they quickly made the change. Now they have Carroll who is better than both.

        This feels similar, I’d rather pull the bandaid instead of letting it linger.

        • angry angry says:
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          Carroll was a crappy NFL coach his first stint and there was no reason to believe he was the answer since he cheated his way to victory at USC. Seahawks basically got lucky and NFL players responded to a college coach.

          • Youngorst says:
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            They made the hire and paid lots of money for it. Call it luck all you want, it’s been a massive success.

          • Youngorst says:
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            And I think average in his 1st stint would be more accurate. He was above .500 in the NFL prior to coming to Seattle. Even Belichek got fired from an NFL coaching job.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          then pony up the cash to buy him out. Problem solved

          • Youngorst says:
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            Hahahahahahahahaha

            So now we aren’t allowed to criticize the coach on this site? That is hilarious. After years of people saying that about Riley that is now your position?

            I didn’t hire GA nor would I have. I’d never hire a defensive guy for a college head coaching job. I’m allowed to not like the hire and voice that displeasure, it’s pretty hilarious to be attacked for being critical of a coach on this site. Of all the sites on the Internet, this is the last place is expect someone to tell me to pony up the cash.

          • angry angry says:
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            Who said we can’t criticize the coach? Check out the new post that’s up.

  • Youngorst says:
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    That seems to be whiskeys stance. I don’t have the money for the buy out so I should shut up. Seems to be implying that pretty clearly to me.

    • angry angry says:
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      I don’t think he’s saying you can’t criticize the coach, but I do think he believes GA deserves more time and we should stop complaining, which is valid.

      • Youngorst says:
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        I’ll stop complaining when he wins a conference game, I think im taking a valid position as well so I’ll stand by it.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        We have a winner

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      Clearly reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit

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        I read what you said just fine. What you implied was quite clear to me.

        You disagree with my assessment of Andersen and think your opinion is more valid so you felt like using a very condescending post to shut me up.

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    This rebuild is s dumpster fire. No mistaking that. Personally I think they are done winning this year. GA has dug a hole, the question is can he get out of it,in a reasonable amount of time. Conservatively speaking, Ed Ray should start gathering the money required to get rid of Andersen and not be sneaky about it. He needs to feel some pressure, no more free pass.I’d give him till year 4 but that better be a bowl game year.

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    Oh, so it’s win immediately under all unreasonable expectations or get shown the door? How well has that worked for some of the more prominent programs like, Texas, or USC? Riley basically left the cupboard bare. Oregon State has almost no depth to speak of and everyone wants them to be a title contender in the blink of an eye. I am a firm believer that patience yields better results than a quick firing trigger and that you cannot truly judge a coach until his 3rd or 4th year. To expect someone to come in and immediately go from worst to playoff contender is ghastly unrealistic and borders on SEC level idiocy. It takes time to build a good program. Unless one of you thinks we can honestly lure a Nick Saban level hire away from Alabama or something like that, let this play out. If it’s still a tire fire two years from now I’ll help you kick him out the door myself. Until then… PATIENCE.

    • youngorst says:
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      That is not even close to what people are saying.

      Its more “hey, how bout you not get beat by an average of 30 points in 10 straight PAC games”

      I know, too much to ask in your view. But its not even close to expecting playoffs.

      • StarcraftSquall says:
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        You’re rewriting history.

        Yes, some of the blowouts have been bad like today. Here’s the P12 games that weren’t 30 pt blowouts:

        @ Oregon 42-52 – had plenty of chances to win this game – mental errors
        @ Utah 12-27 – kind of a methodical performance. This is when Collins lost his QB spot.
        Colorado 13-17 – do we need to rehash this one?
        @ Washington State 31-52 – OSU decided to show up after halftime, not before.
        Stanford – 24-42 – at one point OSU was leading this game but the eventual Pac-12 champion wore them down.

        Let’s not get over our skies, but this Colorado team that we lost to today is playing well enough to win the South Division, they’ve gotten that much better. You want signs of improvement I think they need to present themselves during the home games before we start to worry that the whole thing needs to blow up. This was a deck-stacked-against-us game and I think people are more up in arms because they are used to Colorado sucking. That’s not the case anymore.

  • BlackBeav says:
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    I know someone else said this, but what kind of offense are we even? We will go no huddle then sporadically decide to go up tempo, with success most times, then slow it back down. I think it comes down to needing a new coordinator that is 100% sold on the up tempo spread, or vice versa with a huddle pro style offense. Make up your minds.

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