17.Oct.2016 Changing Body Types

VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
Rating: 5.0/5 (3 votes cast)

Check out the change in NFL and NBA body types over the years.

http://Football player bodies

http://Basketball Player Bodies

Mostly I just thought this was interesting (and I think there is more at play here, like a lot of it probably depends on nutrition and advances in training). BUT, I guess my question here would be, can we deduce anything from this data in terms of OSU’s athletes? Some of our best recent players have been undersized. So in a sense we were winning games with players [who have bodies] from another century. e.g. Quizz.

Also, we often ask, “Doesn’t it seem like OSU has more injuries than other teams?”

Any chance this is due to undersized players? I personally can’t make any definitive connection, but I thought it was interesting to think about. GA complained immediately when taking the job about player size and strength.

Anyway, these body types are getting pretty insane in terms of the force they can enact on objects. It’s no wonder the rules have changed to adjust for targeting and such.

Jump to Bottom
  • mckalk says:
    VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    It’s funny you bring this up, not to pick on one player, but I saw a photo recently of a game last year, I think maybe it was the Huskies (I can’t find the photo now) and and what immediately struck me was that Adam Soesman looked like a child playing against men. He was a LB at the time, right? They seem to be passing the eyeball test a little more this year.

    • angry angry says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 2 votes)

      This might be wrong or whatever in terms of social justice warriors, but when I look at the basketball photo of that little white guy next to the enormous black guy, I have to wonder if the major reason there was segregation in sports for so long is that the whites knew the blacks were so much better. Not so much the whites were racists and just hated the blacks, but that deep down they knew allowing blacks to play was a threat to their job security.

      I’m glad my people (6% black mofos!) finally rose to the top.

  • ean says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Garretson out for the season.

    • angry angry says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 2 votes)

      Garretson is undersized for the position, and now he’s out for the year…hmmm!

      • ean says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        6′ doesn’t seem undersized at the college level. More about being a good decision maker and delivering an accurate ball at this level.

      • Angry@angry says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        Your dude is 1 inch taller and 5 pounds lighter according to the roster

    • BlkOrange says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: -2 (from 6 votes)

      I’ll bet that if Mcmaryion does well here on out, that Garretson will still be the QB no matter what next year. Nepotism runs deep with the new regime.

  • Mammothboner6969 says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: +3 (from 3 votes)

    If you don’t believe the modern NFL players and athletes in genral (quite a few) are on PEDs, I’ve got beach front property in Las Vegas to sell you.

  • Bill says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

    I’d say there’s a much more positive correlation to nutrition and training.

    A NFL lineman today isn’t just a fat guy anymore. These guys are in shape, very athletic and can sprint faster than most people.

  • mckalk says:
    VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    What about baseball? Does nutrition and training matter? Babe Ruth was pudgy and ate an atrocious diet, but swung a 48oz bat and hit the ball just as far or further than any computerized superstar of today.

    • Bill says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      Baseball has advanced because of training and nutrition too. They didn’t get bigger but they sure got stronger. Look at how many more pitchers are throwing in the 90mph range vs 20 years ago. Look at how many high school kids can top 90 these days.

      Baby Ruth wouldn’t last in today’s game with the amount of power pitching if he kept the lifestyle he was known for. He likely only saw one guy in his era that threw near 90mph. If he trained like athletes today, he probably be fine.

      • angry angry says:
        VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        Have you seen the movie “Fastball”? If not check it out. It’s good. Touches on the discrepancies in measuring speed, too. The Walter Johnson bit is very interesting.

  • Jack Jack says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

    I’m starting to wonder if Garretson’s issues are a vision thing. Does he wear corrective lenses?

    That would be my first gauge on an athlete’s potential, his or her vision. And I mean that in the specific, has 20/15 or better vision. If the kid wears corrective lenses, do those lenses provide vision that sharp? Or do they only get the athlete to 20/20?

    • Burritodam says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      Was beginning to wonder about his vision too. Not like Seabiscuit or anything though.

  • Bill says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Collins back in the mix at QB. UW – around 30 point favorites.

    Maybe run the offense they ran at civil war last year? Having Nall back can make the game competitive. If he’s not back, then it’s going to be a long day.

  • ObjCritic says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Need to dust off that film from the mid-80s’ when OSU went up to UW as 39(?) point underdogs, and took the game with a freshman(?) qb….read that the Seattle media didn’t even show up to the post-game presser, the OSU coach sitting there grinning…

    OSU fans can throw m&m’s at Marcus McMaryion when he scores/throws a TD….

    • mckalk says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      Some highlights of that game were on You Tube a couple of years back, if I remember correctly a blocked punt was a key part of the Beav victory.

  • ObjCritic says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: -2 (from 2 votes)

    I haven’t watched Andersen’s presser yet, but I want to see if he takes the blame for the loss. So many people consistently said the loss was on the coaching staff, and sometimes that happens. Sometimes its the players, sometimes its the players and the staff, sometimes it officiating, but if this loss is on Andersen et al, I’d like to see if he says that. I’m guessing he’ll just say how proud he is of the kids for fighting….

    • angry angry says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: +2 (from 4 votes)

      He basically says McM does everything right.

      Yet…he doesn’t play him. And nobody asks why…

    • marcodg marcodg says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      He also said “I’m a horrible coach at throwing the football”

      • helmsley says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 4 votes)

        I didn’t listen to the press conference, so not sure to what you are referring. However, I do believe that Andersen has done a little of what Riley did – hired his friends. That will make it more difficult should he decide to change coaches on the offense side.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
          VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 2 votes)

          It’ll be easy for GA to can Brennan.
          And while the WR’s have not been outstanding WRT catching passes, they have shown to be improved downfield blockers.

  • BlackBeav says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    If we don’t gett completely blown out this week it’s a win imo

  • helmsley says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 2 votes)

    Ditto- anything under 70.

    Gary Andersen is like presidents. He ages before our eyes

    • angry angry says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 2 votes)

      I think it’s the lighting/contrast. He’s looked old since he was hired.

  • Theboneyard says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Does anyone have any thoughts on what the basketball starting 5 will look like? I know tinkle, Thompson, Eubanks, and McLaughlin will start but I can’t think of who else would get in.

    • angry angry says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      My guess would be Kone.
      Rakocevic looked pretty good at times last year and could be in the mix. Both are an upgrade over Olaf.

      Big thing is Eubanks improving. He has to reach his potential this year.

      • Bill says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        The biggest thing Eubanks needs to improve on is his conditioning. If he can stay on the floor for 25-30 min a game, that would be huge.

        I’d say opening night would look like this,
        PG – Stacy
        G – Thompson
        G – McLoughlin
        F – Tinkle
        F – Eubanks

        Big G
        Dew
        Kone
        Muller
        Manuel

        Looking over the roster, they are a bit thin at guard. We’ll see how well Manuel and Muller play. Some one will have to make up the minutes lost from GPII. I don’t see any of the players avg the 34 min a game GPII did last year.

        Stacy will need to be the distributor they say he is. He’ll be the 5th scoring option on the floor.

        • Jack Jack says:
          VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          I don’t think there’s any one line-up for us this year. The one you give is probably good for the mid-majors, where Drew can dominate in the paint. But don’t forget G. He should show some good improvement both at the beginning of the season and as the season wears on. He has a nice touch relative to his physicality. His footwork was the problem last year.

          And Cheikh is good for at least two minutes of the opposing offense just staring at the big dude wondering what the hell that he do to their normal shots. He has also shown improvement with his touch and footwork. So there is more upside in him.

          In your line-up, you or I could replace Stacy and probably get double digit assists. But I think we start a more traditional line-up. That one looks like something Buzz Williams would do. And then his guards get tired late in the season, and his team falls off.

          Paragraph 4 of this report is what I expect for the structure of the system.
          http://euroleagueadventures.com/scouting-the-ncaa-varying-degrees-of-college-point-guards/

          We would have been better off with Malcolm this year because he would fill that veteran D role. Now Muller/Sanders will be that guy. The other three will be the primary rotation. Stevie is a lock for heavy play. But saving legs early in the season and playing with line-ups will let Stacy and Jaquori figure out their roles with plenty of game time. There are 80 minutes for three or four players. That’s actually a lot of time. Manuel will have to get his legs right then take some time for himself before conference play begins.

          Then I would rate the players in terms of best for each remaining position within that structure if all were healthy and playing to expectations for the end of this year. That would look something like this:

          3 – Tres, Dew, Stevie (flex), Muller/Sanders (flex)
          4 – Tres, Drew, Ben, Dew (flex)
          5 – Drew, G, Cheikh, Ben/Tres (flex), Russell

      • osu2008 says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        Eubanks looked good this summer with that All-Star team that went to Australia. He’s added more bulk and I think he’s going to be the guy to step up in leadership.

    • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      My guess would be:
      McLauglin
      STJ
      Tres
      Dew
      Eubanks
      But against bigger lineups, slide Eubanks into Dew’s spot and BigG to center.

      Who all on the hoops team is on scholarship this year? I read that Sanders and Muller both were given a scholarship this year, so from this list the only ones I can think of that would not be on scholarship would be Manuel and Russell. Does that sound right? Or is it possibly 2 guys can split 1 scholarship in hoops? like baseball?

      Jaquori McLaughlin -FR
      Kendal Manuel-FR
      Ben Koné-FR
      Christian Russell-FR
      Stephen Thompson Jr.-SO
      Tres Tinkle-SO
      Drew Eubanks-SO
      Gligorije Rakocevic-SO
      Tanner Sanders-SO
      Ronnie Stacy-JR
      Keondre Dew-JR
      Daine Muller G-JR
      Cheikh N’Diaye-SR

      • Jack Jack says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        I think you’re like me, always forgetting hoops is allowed 13 ships. I’m always thinking it’s 12.

        Hoops is a headcount sport, as is football and women’s gymnastics, tennis and volleyball. That means one whole ship per person per year, no partials.

        • Jack Jack says:
          VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          To answer your question, Russell is the only walk-on. And that’s because he’s a frosh. If he becomes a phenom or works hard and a ship opens up, then he gets a full ride because he’s earned it.

          Sanders and Muller have already done this, so giving them a year of full training and nutrition benefits gives them a fair shot at keeping those ships in the future because of increased production and experience.

          Sanders had to lose a lot of bad weight, so we’ll see where he is this season. If he runs it off, he could be one of those pains in the asses for opposing teams that I always hate playing against. He was a pretty good defender in HS with good length and great hands. And he can pass very well.

          Manuel was a redshirt project last year. It was a situation where he’s good enough to be a D1 player if his body matured for another year. He’s also smart enough that he is advanced a year in school for his age, which explains why he was on a college roster but still a year away from being ready to play on that level. The usual path for athletes like that is to go to prep school and develop their games further. But he didn’t need the extra school, and Tinks had a ship to give. Why not learn our system while also developing physically?

          • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            Great, thanks for the info.

            So with that being said, we’ll have at least 2 open scholarships next year (N’Diaye graduating plus #13). Thompson will take one of those. That leaves #13 to sign one more player in the 2017 class.
            If we sign that one more player, and then Duvivier comes back, that would mean Sanders or somebody else will be going back off scholarship? Or is a player guaranteed to stay on scholarship for their remaining years once they become a scholarship player, like in football?

            Just trying to gauge what type of space they have left to work with in the 2017 class for guys like Reichle and Negron.
            I suppose there’s always the option to convert Tres to a walkon in order to open up a spot, but that would likely mean Tinkle has a can’t miss prospect he wants to bring in.

          • Jack Jack says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            I think as it’s planned Sanders is on a one year ship and might be subject to whatever Malcolm decides to do next year. And even if he doesn’t earn one next year, he’s the type of player who could earn it again his senior year. He’s a tweener now, but his senior year he could be a full-fledged D1 player.

          • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            And Negron won’t be coming to OSU

  • helmsley says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    “Also, we often ask, “Doesn’t it seem like OSU has more injuries than other teams?””

    I keep telling you – it’s the Nike shoes.

    I’m sure there is a ratio statistic out there comparing body part injuries in football. So perhaps all teams have more foot and leg injuries than back/shoulder/head ones but it surely seems more disproportionate with the Beavs.

    And then, there’s this: football is a ridiculous, cruel game.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    I see Eva Westbrook was at the game Saturday. Anybody know our chances with her?

    • BlackBeav says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 2 votes)

      I personally know Katie McWilliams and I know she’s been trying to get her to osu hard.. we’ll see because she’s now the #1 player in her class

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: +2 (from 2 votes)

        Well that is encouraging. Hopefully Katie pulls it off.

        • BlackBeav says:
          VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          I’d say the odds are better than 50/50 imo, but that’s just my take. Don’t quote me

          • Corey says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            “I’d say the odds are better than 50/50 imo, but that’s just my take.”

            – BlackBeav

  • DAWGS POUND THE PAC says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Y’all tiny

  • Beav in DE says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Andersen sure has a horrible track record with his QB’s getting injured, doesn’t he? 2011 Utah St, 2014 Wisconsin, 2015 OSU, 2016 OSU…

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      Correlation ? causation

      • Jack Jack says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: +2 (from 2 votes)

        It’s the spread O with a zone read. You’re extremely lucky if you make it through a whole season with your first QB intact while still playing as the O requires.

        • Beav in DE says:
          VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          Exactly. You darn well better have a second QB waiting in the wings if you run that kind of offense.

          • Jack Jack says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            I would contend that particular O calls for changing your QBs during games like subbing any other position. Play situational strengths, and have all your position group be ready for their time.

            It would be better if they weren’t all frosh and sophs, but it is what it is.

  • wannabeav says:
    VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    line is now OSU +35. That’s +6 since it opened. Probably has four more to run by Friday night. still not enough though. I figure 55-7.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: -1 (from 1 vote)

      I think that is reaction to the injury report. Little do they know it will make 0 diffrence.

  • mckalk says:
    VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Arizona does not look like a very good team, yet they took the Huskies to OT. Is there a blueprint there? I didn’t think much about that game at the time because I thought Zona would be better.

    • BlackBeav says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      Huskies probably took it easy on them and saved up for that ass whoopin they gave to Stanford and the ucks

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      Arizona’s on their 3rd string QB now too. They started the year with Solomon but he injured a knee, and their backup had a concussion. They’re onto true freshman Khalil Tate (who we also recruited)

  • Doozeldorf says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

    Andersen said a couple things in his presser that really stood out to me.
    Regarding the QB situation: “…we have to work to bring in the right situation to let us be effective throwing the football.” He seems to be saying they have to bring in a new player or coach.
    Regarding Pierce’s scrum run: “I think they were getting an attitude, a toughness, definitely, that we haven’t had in the past.” This hints at something we’ve know for many years.

    • Beav in DE says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      Sounds like a play-calling comment to me. Coaches have to set the QB up for success.

      • Doozeldorf says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        Is there a play that makes the QB more accurate?

        • Cake says:
          VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

          One where he doesn’t have a 300 lb dude in his face within 2 seconds of the snap.

      • Jack Jack says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        He didn’t continue to soften up the middle when Nall went out, and that run showed that the O-line was ready to do that.

      • Burritodam says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

        My impression is this is a “why pass plays in shit-storm weather?” It’s a gentle condemnation of the play calling.

  • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    FYI, tomorrow Zach Reichle of Wilsonville is announcing where he’ll be playing next year. Beavs and UC Irvine among the tops right now. I’ve read that he’s ranked the top player in the state for highschool.

    • mckalk says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      I saw that, UC Irvine must have something academically? I think at one time an Ivy League school was in the mix. Otherwise, you would think he would want to challenge himself in the P-12. He currently does not play at the highest level in Oregon HS hoops, but then Drew Eubanks didn’t either.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
        VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

        He has an affinity for anteaters?

      • Jack Jack says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        UC Irvine must have something academically?

        Yes.

        And you go out and get the best players in your state, especially if your state happens to be Oregon. I would include Vancouver in that mix. There’s a kid from Brush Prairie in the 2019 class that’s supposed to be pretty good. Hopefully he’s not a homer for someone else in the region.

      • Jack Jack says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        https://twitter.com/trigonis30/status/779394255789789184

        That’s some pretty hefty competition.

        • angry angry says:
          VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          At the 1 minute mark he can be seen playing in Gill.

          His game looks very similar to Tres. Not the most agile buy but a good outside game and some inside game. To me he looks like a good get.

          • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            Speaking of Gill, anybody know what they’re doing to the seating behind the players benches? All of those collapsible orange seats are being pulled out.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            Getting the seats upgraded.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
            VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            They are replacing the seats. To be ADA compliant they will be reducing the number of seats in that section. The camera will now be directed at the student section during games, just as we all wanted.
            Good changes.

        • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
          VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          according to Nemec, he’s down to OSU and UCI for tonight’s decision. Not sure how you pass up some of those other schools though.

          http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2016/10/zach_reichle_wilsonville_sg_do.html

    • Bill says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      He’d be a good pick up. Not an immediate impact player but will be in the rotation if not contending for a starting spot in a few years.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
    VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: +5 (from 5 votes)

    Color me disappointed. Given the title, I hoped this thread was about cheerleaders.

    • mckalk says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      It would have been nice to have some illustrations/graphs showing cheerleader development over the past decades also.

    • angry angry says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: +8 (from 8 votes)

      Hey at least it wasn’t about Bruce Jenner.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

    Funny clip from a WSU presser. Player calls out UCLA for being a little “douchey” for messing around during warmups.

    Check out @SWXLindsayJoy’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/SWXLindsayJoy/status/788213643938717697?s=09

  • Burritodam says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Were the receivers catching balls on the sidelines vs Utah? Seems like it might have helped them make adjustments for the weather conditions.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
    VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: -2 (from 2 votes)

    When will they just rename the school Knight University? University of Knight? Nike U at Eugene?
    http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2016/10/phil_and_penny_knight_will_giv.htm

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: -2 (from 2 votes)

      It’s for scientific discovery…….you know…. like exactly how fast you can speed on the freeway, high on marajuana, before you are given a ticket. Or when does no actually mean no. The real sciencey stuff.

    • Jack Jack says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: -2 (from 2 votes)

      It’s about fucking time.

      Those are the kind of Joneses I would rather keep up with.

      They’re still not the flagship university, so they can cut that shit out.

      • JockItch JockItch says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        Yup…. I commented on the “flagship” moniker on Olive, that it is self-proclaimed, their precious identity is slipping….

  • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Some post practice video with McM. Sounds nervous, but I like that he doesn’t put too much pressure on himself. Says he just needs to get the ball to his playmakers and let them do what they can do. Needs to just be a game manager.

    https://youtu.be/leccCzddGcg

    • angry angry says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      He seems frustrated to me, especially when saying they left plays on the field.

      • Burritodam says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        This article gives the same impression of frustration
        http://pamplinmedia.com/pt/327838-207589-meet-marcus-mcmaryion-the-beavers-new-leader

        So, if Blount is out for the season, he can get a medical waiver but garretson cannot?

        • Jack Jack says:
          VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

          Blount can apply for a medical exemption for a sixth year after all other eligibilities are exhausted. If he does, then both he and OSU football will not have made the most of their respective five years.

        • blackbug says:
          VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          As far as I know Blount has not played 25% of the year so is still eligible to take this year as a redshirt after the injury as he has not redshirted yet.. Garretson does not have the same option. Garretson has had injuries before and may be eligible to apply for a medical redshirt at the completion of his senior year. He used his redshirt year as a transfer.

          • marcodg marcodg says:
            VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            He’s played in 3 games, which for a 12 game season comes out to 25%. Not sure if a bowl game counts… what am I thinking.

      • Jack Jack says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: +2 (from 2 votes)

        I think he’s frustrated with the questions. Is anyone expecting him to say that he needs to try to do more than he can do after the first question?

        • Jack Jack says:
          VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

          They certainly have a lot of vids up. But Beavers Edge?

          That sounds like a sci-fi/suspense porno. Not that Beaver Blitz is any better. I can go find vids of stupid Eastern European men getting mauled by wildlife any time.

      • WFO WFO says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: +2 (from 2 votes)

        “It was a tough one to swallow,” he says. “The coaches thought I had to work on something, or whatever it was. Not much you can do. You swallow your pride, put your head down and work even harder.”

        Looks to me like they gave him some bullshit answer when he asked the valid question about why Blount went in instead of him.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
          VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

          In Eggers article both quotes from McGiven give hints as to why McM was dropped to 3rd string. The way McGiven talks is not going to be an encouragement to a smart guy like McM. I’m beginning to have my doubts about McGiven’s ability to manage both the offensive game plan and the SA’s he is charged to lead.

          McM seems to be taking the only way out available, “The team is 100 percent behind me,” he says. “A lot of the guys are excited to see what I can do when I get out on the field…”

          • Burritodam says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            It’s the facial hair.

          • angry angry says:
            VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            I’ve had my eye on McGiven ever since GA demoted Baldwin for no good reason (i.e. No coordinator in America would look good with StS at QB), right at the time McGiven married into his family. This McM situation is strike 2.

          • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
            VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            And strike three could very well be how McGiven handles the return of Nall, again. Or it could be another play calling fiasco, ala last weeks first half.
            It’s a minefield out there! But, Brennan is likely to be scapegoated before McGiven is demoted.

  • nicebeaver nicebeaver says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Appears we’re looking into the JUCO QB route now

    • Cake says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      Is there a new offer? Obviously we SHOULD be offering a JUCO, but I haven’t heard of one yet.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        Nothing that’s been announced yet, but I’m keeping my eye on a small handful of guys who I think we may hear something.

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
          VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          And one of those guys i was watching announced an offer just now. Former Idaho Vandal Jake Luton.

          Next guy I’m watching is former WSU Coug Peyton Bender

  • Cake says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: -1 (from 1 vote)

    Christian Negron to Loyola of Chicago. That sucks, I think he’s going to be pretty good.

    Hopefully we get a big man commit soon. I like Reichle a lot too, so I hope we get him, but we’re already stacked at the 2.

    • Jack Jack says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      I always got the feeling he was the 1B for a given slot. And all this timeing makes me think Reiche was the 1A.

      There are other bigs in play.

  • Theboneyard says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

    We got Reichle.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      From Nemec’s piece:

      Reichle first understood how badly the Beavers wanted him when his in-home visit featured the entire coaching staff. However, as the recruiting process went on, head coach Wayne Tinkle stood out as a determining factor.

      “He’s an amazing person, and having coach Tinkle there is a huge part of my decision,” he said. “The culture, the values – everything about the program has changed. It’s amazing what he’s done and he’s a huge part of my decision. I’m not sure I would’ve gone to Oregon State if coach Tinkle wasn’t there.”

      Hmmm, “everything about the program has changed”.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    This would be awesome for the angst it would trigger in Nebraska. He would probably spend 99% of his time plotting to beat and stick it to the Huskers. I miss psycho Bo.
    Image for the news result
    Bo Pelini Interested in Purdue?
    Hammer and Rails? – 10 hours ago
    It looks like the former Nebraska football coach is willing to return to the Big Ten and coach …

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      I heard some talk about Les Miles to purdue. Basically getting rid of the old coach early to try and get him. Remember Riley saved that coaches job last year.

    • mckalk says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      That would be too funny to have Riley surrounded by psycho, high strung coaches with the trinity of Harbaugh, Meyer and Pellini. And Bo would be in his division. Purdue would be smacking NU down in about three years.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
        VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        You know psycho Bo would have that game against Nebby circled on the calendar every season. He hates Nebby and after the choice words about the children of the corn’s “fucking bandwagon fans” that was recorded without his knowledge he’d love nothing more than beat the ever loving fuck out of them on a yearly basis. I’m all for it and the week leading up to that game each season. Purdue, hire the man!

        And just maybe he’ll get his cat returned to him

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
          VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          Pellini would be fun at Purdue, but a lot of the money fans are uptight and I don’t know how much of his personality they could take. He’d have to start winning pretty quickly for it to be tolerated.

          • Beav in DE says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            Exactly. I don’t think Bo is a great fit at Purdue, but stranger things have happened.

    • Beav in DE says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      They need to hire PJ Fleck from Western Michigan.

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        I’m sure he’s got to be in the top three on the list.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
          VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          MAC to B1G is a familiar route for coaching progression. Bo would be so much more fun.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
    VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Congratulations to coach Tinkle and his staff.

    This is the second time I’ve posted a similar post only then it was to coach Rueck.

    I wouldn’t complain at all if the coaches kept bringing in top talent and I felt obligated to congratulate them on their gets. In fact I could get spoiled if this keeps happening.

    Looking forward to feeling obligated to giving congratulations to the football coaching staff for their recruiting efforts – – preferably some hogs, lots and lots of hogs.

    • Coach Wayne Tinkle says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      Hey Mud&Sticks, thanks for the kudos!
      I plan to continue spoiling you.
      Thanks for being a fan! #OSDS

  • ObjCritic says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Any thoughts on Moran being the second QB with Collins as the emergency QB? I think it should be the other way around, and OSU should just plan on running a lot.

    You know Collins is likely to run a lot in the read option unless he’s willing to share the carries more now.

    Not sure if there’s any signs Moran is a more polished thrower than Collins yet? He was allegedly fast, and so I think his strength is likely running, similar to Collins. Plus Moran is listed at only 185 lbs.

    • mckalk says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

      In Collins has to play QB, it’s fine at this point, it’s not like we’ve seen any good quarterbacking anyway. If Moran has position upgrade potential over the long haul then save the redshirt if you can.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: +2 (from 2 votes)

        Collins could throw it to himself……….the team’s best receiver. The ultimate Slash.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
          VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

          Hell yes, we haven’t seen any real “slash” yet anyway!!……And, yeah, I credit McGiven for that as well!

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
      VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      I saw Moran in one practice in fall camp and was not impressed. I’m sure we’ll see McMaryion most of the time with Collins also back there.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
    VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Two other guys on the roster that played QB in high school: Tuli Wily-Matagi and Caleb Saulo.

    At the rate the Beavs are going the coaches should consider giving these guys some reps now rather than wait until they’re needed……. Which might be before the end of the UW game.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

      I’d keep Saulo exclusively on D. Tuli W-M, OTOH, hasn’t been used much anyway so, yeah, at least give him some of those famous “mental reps” before Saturday.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        In Andersen’s presser (monday i think?) he mentioned Tuli WM was currently our only active TE on the roster and that position is already as thin as anywhere on the team. They can’t take him away from that spot while Togiai and the Mr.Avocado are injured.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
          VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          And, McGiven uses a TE how much??

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
            VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            Zip so far.

          • dwill03 dwill03 says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

            To be fair: when we had a tight end he was the a large focal point of our offense. Since Togiai went down we’re basically down to blocking “tight ends”.

          • Jack Jack says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            And he does block well.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    So remember last year when we commented on how many bowl games there were and that it was kind of ridiculous? Well there were 37 bowl games including the championship last year, there are now 42. How many sub .500 schools will be playing this year? It’s getting out of hand.
    http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/college-football-bowl-schedule.php

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

    Found this podcast a little intersting. Couple of KBVR students shootin the shit about the QB situation. These guys have access to the players and confirm some of the stuff we’ve been hearing about Moran, mcm, GA, DG. Lots of speculation too, but i found it a little interesting.

    https://youtu.be/tKSOsC_Z8g8

    • marcodg marcodg says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

      Interesting stuff. Worth a listen. “If Marcus comes in and does well … does he keep the job?”

      Discussion of the nepotism aspect around 25:00.

      • Jack Jack says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        What kind of question is that?

        If MM comes in and doesn’t do well but stays in… he keeps the job.

        I personally have wanted to see QB1 and Slash ball all season. I think that’s a next-gen innovation in football. I’ll take five receivers like Collins and line them up all over the place.

        Something has to change the game. Now that the spread offense has hit the NFL, it completely sucks.

        • marcodg marcodg says:
          VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
          Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

          I think the point of the question was that we know what the answer should be but what if it isn’t what it should be? There has been some conjecture here (and in the above podcast) that GA will give his guys a much longer leash and will play them even if others are playing better. I don’t know if that’s true but if MM puts up a few touchdowns and a few hundred yards in the next few games but Blount takes his place when he comes back that will certainly tell us something, right?

          • Jack Jack says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

            Ahh… so we’re building a scarecrow.

            Is Blount coming back this year? He was moved off the scout team because MM needed a fire lit under his butt. MM didn’t respond. Now he has to do so. But he can’t just keep getting gifted playing time if he doesn’t work to earn it in practice.

            Maybe he’s a gamer and needs a couple games under his belt for that switch to be turned on? That’s what we suggested last year when there were no other options who at least had awareness and some game management skills. I think he answered the latter in the CW against a bad D. And the former will be answered if he is a gamer. But he just looks like he needs a hug when he gets the ball. If he does that in practice, what coach would reward it?

            Nobody denies he throws the best ball of anyone on our roster. It’s his presence and game management that are in question. What was touched upon previously was the last play of the game where Bolden was hit late. When the ref was explaining something about the relevance of the price of tea in China, he mentioned something about a ten second run-off. At that point I was watching MM and GA. GA was already waving his arms and screaming. MM was out for a walk in the park until Collins got his attention to get lined up.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            Jack, like this quote?

            “The coaches thought I had to work on something, or whatever it was. “

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            Maybe his nickname should be Low Energy Marcus?

          • Jack Jack says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            oj… like what he says several times following that quote?

          • marcodg marcodg says:
            VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            Ummm, hardly building a scarecrow, Jack. This is all conjecture anyway. I get that there are hidden variables. But, if a player A plays better than player B over a significant period of time then it’s not unreasonable to ask the question of “why is player B playing instead of player A?” The answer isn’t necessarily nefarious and could be any one of the things you said and many more but that that doesn’t invalidate the question. And yes, I realize I’m asking a question as the result of a hypothetical situation but that’s kind of the point.

          • Jack Jack says:
            VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
            Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

            I don’t understand why it can’t be what everyone says publicly since it makes such simple sense. Why aren’t we working off those answers instead of pretending they don’t exist so we can make up something convoluted to fill the now imagined void?

    • angry angry says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

      These guys are tough to listen to…really awkward podcast.

      They’re right about McM/Blount situation and the best passer is now in.

      This is just like Riley, though, in that the coaches went with nepotism and took forever (and it took injury) to get the best player on the field. What I don’t understand is why these people are all amazed he’s played well. Why? He was highly recruited (16th dual threat QB with a lot of P5 offers). Garretson can’t say the same. Why the amazement and hate of McM? Makes ZERO sense.

      They once again confirm Moran isn’t close. I mean I watched that HS game of his on ESPN and he was really bad/awkward throwing. Good runner. He needs a year or two for the game to slow down.

    • angry angry says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: +1 (from 3 votes)

      Sounds like these guys read AB and take notes for their podcast.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
    VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

    3. Head coach Chris Petersen is in his third season with the Huskies and through his first two years, Washington was a combined 15-12 (8-10 in the Pac-12). Petersen had already strongly established himself as one of college football’s elite coaches from his days at Boise State, but what has been the difference this season from a coaching standpoint, that’s made those past two seasons feel like a distant memory for the Huskies?

    UWDP: It was quite a drastic change in coaching philosophies when Petersen took over for Steve Sarkisian three years ago. While Sark was restocking the program with talented players, he didn’t seem too concerned about what types of personalities were attached to that talent. Petersen recruits what he calls OKGs (our kinda guys). The changeover in coaches meant some players were not going to fit in with the new regime, most notably cornerback Marcus Peters who was first suspended and later dismissed from the team despite being one of the best players on the roster. Peters was the eighth player dismissed or suspended during Petersen’s first year.

    The team is now Petersen’s with even the Sarkisian leftovers buying in to his team-first coaching philosophy. That — combined with some very good recruiting classes made up of Petersen’s “kinda guys” — has led to a breakthrough season for the Huskies.

    Our kinda guys? Sounds similar to GA and this staff

    http://www.buildingthedam.com/2016/10/18/13328320/oregon-state-vs-washington-q-a-with-uw-dawg-pound

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
      VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
      Rating: +3 (from 3 votes)

      They are going to rule the North for a while. Great coach, big money in the city, very good facilities,
      and a tradition of some good football. The sleeping giant of the PAC.

      • Jack Jack says:
        VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
        Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

        It’s a good thing only one of those matters when you put your hand in the dirt… and he’s not the one doing it.

  • ObjCritic says:
    VA:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    OSU at UW 1985. I don’t expect similar results, but 38 point underdogs? Good DB play, apparently QB could throw at least a little bit. Check out the big-sleeved jerseys.

    https://youtu.be/_LFBplLflI8

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
    VN:F [1.9.22_1171]
    Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

    Aydon to TE and Tuli Wily-Matagi to QB? Oh wait……

  • Recruiting Updates

  • Categories

  • Archives