19.Oct.2016 McMaryion Situation

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I feel like people hate this guy for some reason. Most fans seem to be hoping he fails this weekend so they can say, “See, told you he stinks.”

They also don’t seem to understand this guy was highly recruited.

When he has a good game (Civil War, Utah), it gets spun that he had a bad game. When he has a bad game, nobody seems to realize it’s because of drops or bad play calling (e.g. the screen vs San Jose State). It’s like the guy can’t win.

He literally has to go out and throw for 250-300 yards and beat Washington for anyone, including his coaches, to gain his respect. Meanwhile, everyone had respect for Garretson even though he wasn’t highly recruited and played in a lowly conference. Even now after 6 bad games people like Garretson over McMaryion, in general. They’re willing to make up excuses for Garretson (bad line, wind, drops etc), yet McM gets no benefit of the doubt with his many valid excuses, the least of which is that he gets throw into awful situations where he is likely to fail constantly. Why do these other QBs get a long leash and McM get the short leash? Where does this bias come from? His career numbers aren’t good, but stats do frequently lie or at least tell an incomplete story; given the situations he’s been put in it’s impossible to deduct from the stats. But he passes the eyeball test throwing every time.

Anyway, he gets another tough draw this weekend in Washington. I’m not convinced Washington is unbeatable and a powerhouse. They’re a good team, but Arizona stinks and they hung with them. If McM moves the ball and the D plays like they did last week, the Beavs will be in the game, at least for a half before they tire.

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  • angry angry says:
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    A few more things: he’s never been accepted by this staff for some reason (my guess is because he’s quiet and a Riley recruit, which are NOT valid reasons and show the meatheadedness of this staff). His teammates seem to love him.

    • Angry@angry says:
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      Angry, the staff that did recruit him didn’t like him either. Im not expecting anything from him this week. It would take a lot less than you claim for him to want some respect.

      Funny you say Dallas Buck was a low level recruit, then say McM was highly recruited. Very opposite on both of them.

      • AntiAngryBeaver says:
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        The old staff didn’t want him? He RS’d the only year he was with them. Not really an accurate statement.

      • dwill03 dwill03 says:
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        Yeah. They didn’t want him either when he was a redshirt freshman and we had a 4 year starter senior QB.

        • Angry@angry says:
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          Well they brought in Del Rio. And they had Vanderveen ahead of him too.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            It’s called depth dingleberry.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            Okay… so if DelRio and Vanderveen are fighting to be the starter… that makes McM the depth. And maybe he is good enough to earn a scholarship and provide depth… but we’ve seen nothing that says he’s been slighted his whole career as Angry claims

    • helmsley says:
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      “he gets thrown into awful situations where he is likely to fail constantly.” I vaguely recall that his first in-game action – play call was a pass from inside the end zone? – or something like that.

  • AntiAngryBeaver says:
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    Where are you getting that most people want him to fail? Overall from various boards it seems as if many are looking forward to what he can do. Obviously some seem to think he’s “bad” simply because he’s the 3rd string QB.

    As for highly recruited? OSU and UA. And…..?

    • Angry@angry says:
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      As usual… no response from Angry. He was not “highly recruited”.

  • angry angry says:
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    Let me put it this way:

    There’s a lot of “Garretson failed because of excuse xyz” and “McMaryion failed because he stinks”.
    No clue why this is the majority narrative, but it is. My guess is it goes back to “Coach knows best”, but these coaches seem to have more nepotism than even Riley, so I’m not sure it’s possible to know best when you’re that invested in your guy.

    All that being said, maybe McM does stink. He better get several games to prove that. He’s earned that at this point with his attitude while being bypassed by walkons.

    • AntiAngryBeaver says:
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      He better get several games to prove that

      Unless he gets hurt, he likely has 6 games to prove it. I don’t see the coaches pulling Moran’s RS if McM can play. .

      I think our downfield throwing will get better with McM. It has to, it really can’t get worse!

    • Beav in DE says:
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      They’ve both been bad in their game action as Beavers. Period. DG has had more time to prove himself, and he flopped, so now it’s MM’s turn.

      As far as recruiting action, MM was a very early commit, so it seems like he just shut the door early on potential suitors. It’s tough to say whether he was “highly recruited” or not. The recruiting sites show interest from tOSU, Oklahoma, Michigan, USC, etc., but he also did some pretty high-profile camps/All Star game stuff, so who knows what “interest means.”

      There’s an interview that talks about other teams trying to poach him late in the process, but it doesn’t specify which teams. The way the info is listed on Rivals, it kind of looks like Wisconsin was one of them (they list a recruiting coach, which they don’t do for most of the other teams on his list).

      • AntiAngryBeaver says:
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        “it kind of looks like Wisconsin was one of them (they list a recruiting coach, which they don’t do for most of the other teams on his list).”

        If that is true, that means GA was interested him as he was at Wisconsin a that time. So perhaps it isn’t accurate to state that he isn’t playing since he isn’t a “GA Guy”

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          Or maybe GA is still steamed that McM didn’t go to Wisconsin, so now he’s taking out revenge by putting the guy in bad sitations. Payback’s a bitch

      • Jim says:
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        Please tell me you live in Germany and not Delaware.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    There’s also the chance that having a QB that can actually complete a pass will light a fire under the WRs (looking at you Villamin).

    This situation has potential to help the program overall. GA isn’t scared to shuffle the coaching deck. If it turns out that McM is actually the best QB on the team and he sat for half the year and got “passed” on the depth chart by a walk on I’d imagine GA is going to expect real answers from the coaches responsible for that decision. We’ll see. I wish they didn’t have UW this weekend.

    • Burritodam says:
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      Agreed. I think GA will make the adjustments necessary.

  • Cake says:
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    McMaryion was 3rd on the depth chart because he doesn’t run as well as the other guys, plain and simple. Clearly, the best passer of the ball after last fall was Del Rio, he went to 3rd on the depth chart too and bailed because he can’t run.

    Andersen constantly harps on the ‘mind, feet, arm’ statement and he comes back to it again and again. McMaryion doesn’t run well and, for whatever reason, people still think he can run. Probably because the stereotype of black guys being superior athletes to white guys. Well, in this case at least, it’s not true. Sort of similar to when people though, wrongly, that Ryan Katz could run.

    You constantly hype nepotism…then why is Andersen staring so many Riley recruits at OL, DL, WR, LB, etc?

    • Beav in DE says:
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      MM looked faster than DG last weekend. He may not be as shifty, but he definitely has some footspeed. He’s no StS, but few are.

      It strikes me that MM was 3rd on the depth chart because of his mentality. He seems rather aloof, and as Jack pointed out on the previous thread, didn’t appear to have his head entirely in the game at the end last weekend.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      And DG couldn’t pass. (Like worst rated qb in the nation bad)

      I would say McM’s running ability is > than DG’s passing ability.

      • Cake says:
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        Yep, you’re right, worst in the country. Through a weird coincidence, his 86.8 rating is exactly tied with McMaryion’s rating from last season. (And Conor Blount this season too.)

        None of them can pass but two of them can run, it’s not some conspiracy theory here.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Nobody could pass on Saturday until the sun popped out, the wind died and the crowd gave a cheer.

        Garretson looked like he remembered how to play against Cal. The previous games were a mystery, because he wasn’t even playing to a low-average mid-major QB level.

        MM looks like the clock in his head is just a tick slow. His scrambling ability is a moot point because he seems to be looking at the field a count late. It’s like he has to see his receivers come open to trust that they’re going to be open. He threw a great ball to one guy for a TD. I wonder if that’s because they practice together and he trusts that receiver. I wonder if he just put the ball where it needs to be and takes what the D gives him… if that’s all he needs to do to be successful?

        I kind of like that he’s squaring up against UW for his first start this year. If he’s standing at the end of the game, the rest of the conference will look like a slo-mo game to him, or it should. He should get some really good tape this weekend.

    • angry angry says:
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      McMaryion was the #16 dual threat QB in the country. You don’t get that ranking if you can’t run. In his limited action, he also rushed for a TD vs the Ducks.

      He’s not a blazer or a Mannion.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    I think this from the comments section over at the O makes a few good points:

    I don’t understand why Andersen went with two first-timers in his weakness, in a new conference, that happens to be very good most years offensively. I have no doubt that the beav defense is going to become quite good. I don’t have the same confidence with the offense. Strange Deployment of personnel, lack of Qb talent evaluation, lack of a consistent run game, bringing in a consultant, all point toward incompetency. It hasn’t escaped my attention that Andersen’s buddy over in Utah really hasn’t figured out offense either…

    • BlackBeav says:
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      This. I saw this comment earlier and couldn’t agree more with what they said. Whittingham and Andersen both are struggling with their offenses in the PAC 12. While you look at offensive coaches such as Chip at UO and see how much success they had. The contrast between coaches that are all offensive minded vs all defensive minded is huge, hopefully we can get a more competent OC.

      • Doozeldorf says:
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        An interesting similarity between the two is also the QB. When Utah had Wilson and he was healthy, the offense was pretty good (they had a decent run game as well). It’s no secret that offenses revolve around the QB. If you don’t have a good QB you are missing a critical link in the chain. That’s why those guys are typically the highest paid positions in the NFL.

        • BlackBeav says:
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          I know, I hope we find a QB soon enough. Funny Osu and Utah are shaping up to be the same teams. Good stout defense with a decent run game but questionable offense at times due to quarterbacks.

        • Burritodam says:
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          I suppose Pensyl wasn’t a runner; wasn’t going to be our “galloping giraffe”

          • Beav in DE says:
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            And he hasn’t sniffed the field at Eastern Michigan

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I think he’s had some garbage time this year. Besides, he’s a tall QB at a directional Michigan school. Isn’t that the perfect fit?

    • mckalk says:
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      So true. I don’t know if anyone remembers, but Whittingham totally screwed up the QB situation a few years back and ended having to play a guy named Hays, who had been at a D-2 (Western Oregon level) school that had dropped it’s football program.

      • Jim says:
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        Yep. Utah hasn’t had a good QB, until this season, since Brian Johnson in 2008, the Sugar Bowl year. And even BJ was hit or miss. It almost cost Whitt his job. The last truly good QB was Alex Smith, which was during Urban Meyer’s brief tenure.

  • BlackBeav says:
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    What OneOldBeav said leads me to a question I have for you all, and that I’ve asked previously. Would you rather have an offensive minded coach who is hands off the defense, or vice versa?

    • Doozeldorf says:
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      I don’t mind having a Defensive mind as the Head Coach. I actually think Defense is more important than Offense. But you can’t be completely inept at Offense. If the Defensive Head Coach has a brilliant Offensive Coordinator then you’ll be just fine.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Agree, particularly on the point that D is more important than O.
        Also, having two guys share the OC job doesn’t make it likely that the sum will be “brilliant”. I wonder if this “co-coordinator” business is about something other that effective game planning, and I still ask, ” what are Baldwin’s actual responsibilities?”

  • Bill says:
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    It doesn’t seem that people dislike McMaryion but he’s done nothing to make them believe in him.

    There’s nothing I’ve seen out of him that tells me he’s going to be an upgrade over the current QBs. His skill set isn’t quite a match for the offense GA wants to run. It’s a big reason he struggles when he gets put in.

    McMaryion is not a runner. He was a pocket passer in high school and is one in college. GA’s offense wants the QB to move. GA wants the QB to be able to a real threat on the read option. MM is no threat on the read option.

    Against Utah MM was only asked to pass since they were behind.

    Don’t agree that MM was highly recruited. He had two offers. One scouting service wrote this about him “McMaryion is most likely a non-BCS performer but might get recruited to run a more open offense at a lower BCS program. It would likely take a unique relationship or scheme for a BCS school to covet him. He is solid, just not over the top in terms of passing talent and athleticism.”

    What MM will have to do vs UW to show any progress is hit short/intermediate passes at a high rate. With Nall likely out, the offense will need to keep the ball moving with short passing.

    But again, all this debate about the QBs is because GA has failed to recruit a QB who can run his offense.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      It looks like the offense his high school ran was more pocket passing but there are some called qb runs and some broken play scrambles in this video.

      So unless you’re suggesting that a 20 year old 6’1″ 190# black kid somehow forgot how to run it looks like he’s every bit as athletic as anyone other than Collins.

      http://www.hudl.com/video/3/1592131/5721b5fdc124573b545168bf

      • ObjCritic says:
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        well, and adapt to his strengths. I’m not saying he CAN’T run, but if you took the TCU/Andy Dalton approach with him, where he makes some needed runs to keep drives alive and to keep the D wondering, that’s great. Let him throw the damn ball.

        The staff is saying they need to be able to pass the ball, and yet they appear to be their own worst challenge to passing the ball and balancing the offense.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        That tape doesn’t help your argument. But it is a good point of reference.

        First, he’s a pro style QB. There is no dual threat in that offense, at least not in any of those plays. I also wonder about our current QB commit who is apparently a pro style QB on “ratings” sites yet runs a veer.

        At the risk of sounding like a broken record, rating stars are bullshit.

        He has a long motion, but when he gets the ball out quickly he looks like he makes much better decisions and throws the ball much better. When he doesn’t get it out quickly, he has a whole routine that he has to go through before he makes a throw. You can see him load up before he goes into his motion. And sometimes he loads up and doesn’t throw, starting the whole routine over. When he does release it, he throws it into triple coverage and puts it on a highlight reel because he was lucky enough to get a TD out of it.

        His scrambles are another thing. He has the ability to be a little shifty and pretty quick to a spot. But once he gets there and should be stepping out of bounds or sliding into a fetal position, he has a tendency to try to juke someone in close proximity from a stand still position, and he gets smushed more often than not.

        He does look like his feet are under him on bootlegs, so I would expect to see some of those from him on Saturday. He just needs to realize that the people playing off the edges and coming for him will not hit him as hard if he’s not holding the ball. If he just gets the ball out quickly to the playmakers (hopefully our playmakers), then he should be fine.

    • Beav in DE says:
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      “But again, all this debate about the QBs is because GA has failed to recruit a QB who can run his offense.”

      Is it? Because he’s only been here for slightly more than one recruiting cycle. If Moran, Willard, and whoever else we get this year end up being flops, then I’ll agree with you.

  • Doozeldorf says:
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    The thing is, MM fell down to 3rd string for some reason. No one seems to know the actual reason, but there is a lot of speculation going on. I’m going to speculate that it’s not necessarily because of his talent level, but because of his leadership level. GA wants a General in the QB position, he’s made that pretty clear. And from what I’ve heard, MM is not the General type. So maybe that’s what has kept him down, I don’t know. But what I do know is he’s going to get his shot to show everyone his talent level this weekend. The question I’m interested in, is if MM shits the bed in the first half this weekend, does GA make another QB change in the second half, or does he let MM ride it out. I’m hoping he lets him ride it out for multiple reasons.

    • BlackBeav says:
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      I’m super interested in Moran. Film looked decent-ish to me. I’m not a guru on QB’s but he looked like an adequate passer and he can flat out run. If he bulks up I wonder if he plays next year or not.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        in high school his nickname was “White Lightening” according to one his former teammates…

        Waitaminnit! Is that racist?!?

        • Jack Jack says:
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          He ran bootleg liquor in high school. Moonshiners could trust him because he didn’t drink the product… as that would have been illegal given that he’s underage… and driving.

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          sounds redundant.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Andersen said he likes to be around “edgy” people…and that’s one reason he likes Collins. Maybe McM is too mellow for the ol’ ball coach….

      McM’s going to get several games to prove himself, and I look forward to it. Injuries may not be the best and most fair way for him to have received this opportunity, but he has it now and I hope he does well.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        I think you might be on to something with that. McM is pretty reserved in interviews.

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          “Low Energy Marcus” -Donald Trump

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          Clearly MR saw himself in Marcus and had to offer a scholarship.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      He’s going to have to let him ride. There just are no other options if he’s healthy. So he should have that confidence going in.

      I’m going to go with what the coaches have been saying and what they’ve been telling MM and what he himself has been saying. He needs to accelerate his game and get the ball to people who can run with it. He doesn’t do well moving the pocket, and he’s not a gunslinger. He needs to get the ball out of his hands for the five yard gain instead of wait for something better. Those five yard gains are what can break a game open if a defender makes a mistake.

    • angry angry says:
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      Yes, that’s what I think it is, which is why I wrote “my guess is because he’s quiet and a Riley recruit”.

      By quiet I meant the same thing you’re saying. It’s not a valid reason, because GA said leaders can be quiet, and his teammates really seem to like him, which implies he’s a leader. He has looked like a deer in headlights at times, but guys do need a little time to settle in and he didn’t get nearly as much time as others (who arguably played worse). It’s basically the shy/not my recruit thing, which is so lame.

      • Angry@angry says:
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        You’re so wrong Angry. Coaches want to win. I think we can agree that Andersen really wants to win. If his best QB is someone he doesn’t “like”, he’s still gonna play him because he wants to win.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          No doubt Andersen “wants to win”.

          However, it is how to go about that which is interesting. Like his buddy at Utah, Andersen sees the formula centered on a tough guy, big boy pants defense. He doesn’t even claim to be wise about the offense. So, he seems to rely on “his guys” (OC’s) to interpret for him.

          If it is true that he isn’t well versed in offense, and especially QB play, then it would be expected that he bases his decisions upon the personality of the SA and the input of McGiven (and, I think Baldwin).

          I think the “he’s too quite” thing, along with being thrown into some rough situations (ala UW this week) have led to Andersen’s opinion that McM is a third stringer who tries hard.

          • Corey says:
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            I agree with you, but also think that we blow that concept out of proportion that GA doesn’t know offense at all. Yes, he’s a defense guy first and foremost, but theres no way a guy gets that head coaching job and has success other places without knowing both sides of the ball and what works.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            He played center in college.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    I think it will be interesting to see how this Jake Luton offer turns out and how he responds to his first major offer. Not just because he’s 6’6″ 235, but because there is SO much opportunity at OSU for a QB to come in and take the job. Does he accept? Does his evaluation pan out (are Andersen et al correct in assessing his ability and potential)? He doesn’t have a long history of throwing the ball, so that’s a shortcoming.

    Whether or not he accepts will have to be taken in context of other offers he receives. But if he spurns OSU staff with so much opportunity at OSU and pans out at another D1 school, that’s disappointing. If he accepts with no other meaningful offers and can’t throw the ball, that’s disappointing too.

    Which isn’t to say those are the only two potential outcomes (maybe he goes to another D1 school and fails miserably at throwing, maybe Mason pans out and nobody cares, etc.) but this is another chance to see if Andersen can break his rather poor record with QBs.

    http://www.hudl.com/video/3/7729638/57e8ee7e7bddf874808cbdd8

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Anybody else find it interesting that we haven’t played McM supposedly because he isn’t able to hurt teams with his legs, but the JUCO QB we offered is a 6’5″ pro-style QB who rarely leaves the pocket in his highlight film?

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Read he played in a Wing-T offense, and played baseball as well. So he only recently started working on football throwing mechanics. Those are concerns given Andersen’s QB problems thus far…that’s why I think its interesting if this is a continuation of the pattern, or finally a breakthrough, or if the guy is just not legitimate DI candidate (which describes Andersen’s current OSU qbs unless Mason pans out).

      • Doozeldorf says:
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        I agree it’s and odd offer, unless GA is simply looking for some immediate depth so he doesn’t have to burn Moran’s RS.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      I like that kid. He did have some dangerous passes here and there, but whatever. Only problem I see is that his team seems to have better recievers than we do.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I thought about the WRs too. The offense OSU runs is not complex for receivers, and it supposed to simplify throws for the QB. And yet OSU receivers seem poor at getting separation, and poor at catching on top of that.

        While the two are obviously interrelated, it seems like the qb/wr units have been the worst on the team, and have stubbornly shown the least improvement of any unit. ST good? Yes. OL improving? Yes? D improving? Yes. DBs playing well with DLine and LBs showing within season improvements. QB and WRs? Flat-lined to declining….

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          Hard for a WR to catch a ball consistently thrown at their feet, or 3 feet beyond their reach. Not to mention the revolving door at the QB position.

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            Good point about the revolving QB. That’s a big factor. It takes time for QBs and Receivers to understand each other’s style and tendencies. There’s no way they can do that in one season. These receivers haven’t event spent one full season with the same QB!

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      I don’t see this guy as an upgrade in talent.

      Might be decent with a good supporting cast, but right now the Beavs need a QB who can make his supporting cast better.

  • angry angry says:
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    Regarding the question above, I think if McM struggles at all GA will put Seth in. That’s why I said I hope he gets several games, because I’m not convinced he will even get several quarters, using history as a guide.

  • angry angry says:
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    Anyone heard how Ricky Liuchan is doing? He looks very good on film when signed and had a handful of pac offers. Can’t remember his name mentioned in any capacity.

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    Power Ranking Spreadsheet system, feel free to take a look. Judges each team’s performance and is updated every week.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l2T3pgiHk1WKiNvQZUzWzWYR3Oo5HoBxrxcCbnl2LcY/edit#gid=27

    Best way to read:

    Scroll the cursor to the far right.

    Current Power is the overall rating being used to judge the team.
    Power Rating is the overall talent level of the team.
    Schedule Strength is the average of every opponent divided by the # of games the team plays.
    S R is the ranking of said schedule strength.
    Conf YPG is the average margin of yardage difference in conference games.
    YPP stands for Yards Per POINT.

    If you take the cursor all the way to the right you will see columns listed W1-W15, PS, CH
    These indicate each week CFB games are played. The number on each team’s row indicates
    how big of a favorite or underdog each team is based on the system. (This is Week 8).

    PD indicates the projected amount of times the team is still favored to win plus the amount of wins they already have collected.

    Feel free to browse. It takes me a lot of work to maintain it.

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      glad someone doesn’t think UW’s schedule is that tough. They’ve played 2 teams with 4 wins and the rest have 2 wins each.

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        Well, they basically took the nonconference schedule off: Rutgers, Idaho and Portland State. If we fail to expose them this week (hope springs eternal there 🙂 ) – they go to Utah next weekend and we’ll learn a lot more.

  • angry angry says:
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    McMaryion has been using virtual reality to stay engaged and learn the play calls.
    Pretty cool.

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      ???

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        What’s confusing about that?

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          He is thinking about the possibilities of a VR mammoth boner.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            his or someone else’s?

            Easiest solution. Mail him a magnifying glass

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          I guess I’m confused about the context. Do you mean VR as in the new headsets dubbed VR? Or are you talking about something more digital like a game? Because if it is the first, I’d love more info on that.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Big whoop. I’ve been using virtual reality for years to maintain hope that my two lousy football teams can actually beat their arch rivals before I take the dirt nap.

  • angry angry says:
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    I’d put the odds of Seth Collins moving to QB at like 60%, now knowing GA.
    I don’t think McM will get six games unless he goes nuts, and the Washington game will be a good excuse (most likely as people feel it will be a blowout) to justify a move to Seth without much resistance.

    I’m actually fine with Collins finishing the season IF McMaryion gets a long look/fair shot and truly does stink.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Unrelated to the QB topic. Wanted to say there’s an intriguing JUCO guy I’m keeping an eye out for news on. Montez Sweat. Was a teammate of Craig Evans at Michigan State. Plays DE for CoLin JuCo in Mississippi and is a mississipi state verbal commit currently. If we land Evans(and Nixon), I wouldnt be surprised to see us try to flip Sweat as well.

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    McM needs to be given enough playing time to either prove or disprove his talent and the Husky game will not be a fair assessment. Riley recruited him to shut up the critics who were saying his pro-style offense was a dinosaur. McM seems tailor-made as a dual threat QB for GA’s offense. The outcome will be decided soon enough unless the staff does something else bizarre like start Moran ahead of him.

  • burritodam says:
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    It’s champion bias. The coaching staff sees something in Garretson and Blount that is nearer their ideal; I think the consensus is correct about it being leadership-oriented (or possibly facial hair :). Garretson was trending in the wrong direction; his QBR was dropping linearly in predictable fashion. Marcus’ is trending in the right direction, though it bounces around more so he’s less consistent. I think he just needs time to adjust to his butterflies, speed of the game, etc.

    GA did what he had to do to support Garretson, I don’t really fault him for that but; there was a lot more hand-holding there than I expected. I feel bad for the guy because of the injury, but Marcus’ opportunity is coming at the right time. I’m not sure UW is unbeatable. Their stats look great, but the FBS teams they’ve played are 14-19 now and their FPI’s are 105, 113, 62, 29 and 51 chronologically.

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      “FBS teams they’ve played are 14-19 now and their FPI’s are 105, 113, 62, 29 and 51 chronologically”

      And then there’s the ducks. Their FPI is not quantified as a number. Just the sound of laughter

      Wanna hear a joke? The Oregon ducks defense

      https://bamfstyle.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/gfellaswhite63-lol.jpg

      70 burger

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Shhhh… the UW game is hopeless at +37 or whatever. We’re just going up there to see the new stadium and be in the presence of greatness.

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    Considering the kind of calls the OC makes and the protection provided by the OL I’ll be surprised if McM makes it though the game without being injured. In fact I’ll be surprised if, by the end of the season, any of the current QBs are healthy enough to play.

    It would make me feel a bit more comfortable if I knew the coaching staff was thinking ahead and putting a play book in the hands of ???? perhaps Tuli Wily-Matagi.

    I do believe I heard GA say the coaching staff planned on continuing calling the kind of plays that they’ve been calling so far.

    I’m having a bit of a problem keeping from bringing up the term clusterfuck.

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      That’s an interesting point. Lots of qb injuries at usu, is it just the offense, dumb luck, play calling, etc.?

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      Perhaps it’s a coach thing; Riley endorsing Banker’s play calling (can you say that for the defense?)

    • Homefry Homefry says:
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      Too late, you just did. And I have a problem with “wait for the thrilling final episode” Donald.

  • angry angry says:
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    I read an interesting article today that IQ is directly related to anxiety. Logic being that the smarter you are the more you’ll see all the variables and possible outcomes. I think this applies to McM. The guy has had a 4.0 most of his life and maybe overthinks things. This could be a reason the coaches haven’t been happy with him? Could also explain the deer in headlights look he’s sometimes had. Garretson and StS don’t seem very smart and just react (obviously this hasn’t made them good QBs, but GA might like the trait of not over thinking). Not sure about Blount’s intelligence.

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      Angry, DG was named to some foundations scholar athlete list and was All-Academic Mountain West. Your off base on this entire topic. You just trying to say dumb uninformed shit to get people to read / comment? I guess that’s working for you

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        Yah but a 4.0 in the Mountain West is only like a 2.5 in the Pac12.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Yes, but he’s not wrong about the take on anxiety. DG had a lot for the first couple games as well. His manifested in throws to Eleanor Rigby’s funeral party, for the most part. Then he seemed to start getting a rhythm against Cal. And now it doesn’t matter.

        MM is overthinking it to the point that he’s not trusting the system or his ablities to get the ball where the ball needs to go. Even on his first play last year, IIRC, he hesitated before he threw that pick six instead of just letting the ball get to a space at the right time. The play wouldn’t have succeeded if the ball was there at the right time because the D was in the pocket. But it would have fallen to the ground instead of getting picked for a score. There are several throws in this system that a QB just has no business tossing if he actually looks at where the D is and thinks about it. They are designed that way to take the judgment out of the QBs hands, and they are overwhelmingly positive when done correctly.

        You can put a stopwatch on it if you want. The QB who fakes to A or B then throws to C the quickest is the QB who will have the most success on this level. That usually happens because the pre-snap read lets the QB choose C. He then sets his feet to throw to C but stares down A or B from the snap before turning to C and hucking it. If they all do that equally, then you start looking at who throws better IM and deep routes, because the D-line and the backers are going to start staying at home to take those away. And, again, if you can’t just put the ball in the right spot at the right time, you lose.

      • angry angry says:
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        Garretson is majoring in…sociology. McM is majoring in the sciences. Big difference.

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          Nobody was comparing their intelligence compared to each other… but you said Garretson doesn’t appear smart… which in itself is a pretty dumb statement.

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      lol

  • Beav in DE says:
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    I watched HS film on every QB in the picture for us, except DG.

    McM throws the best ball, but he locks onto his receiver immediately and his eyes never move. He definitely has the athleticism to scramble well, but he isn’t a shifty runner. Overall, he strikes me as a very deliberate player who doesn’t have the reactions to improvise when necessary.

    Blount reads the field well and keeps his eyes downfield even when he’s scrambling, but he doesn’t have the arm or the athleticism to be a P12 QB. He’s smart enough to be a stopgap that doesn’t make huge mistakes (which is exactly what he’s been for us).

    Willard goes through his progressions and is a big, solid athlete, but he doesn’t have elite arm strength. Looks like a more athletic Vanderveen to me.

    Moran is a good athlete with a pretty good arm, but like McM, he isn’t making any reads in his HS offense, just locking on and firing. It’s important to remember he hasn’t been playing QB very long, so his development is going to take a little longer.

    Overall, Willard looks like the most promising prospect to me. Moran is a hit or miss project. McM has the physical tools, but I question whether he has anything else. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

  • mexibeav mexibeav says:
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    I think the major problem is the coaches trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with their offense. We do not have an OL that can give our QB enough time for passing plays to develop. AND our QB has shown an inability to complete those throws even with time. So why are they STILL calling those type of plays?! I get they want all the bells and whistles in the offense, but with a team so young and a new offense, you need to work with their strengths and build confidence.

    That means high percentage play calling, quick slants, hitches, WR screens, trickeration plays, and (of course) running it down the middle to keep them honest.

    This will:
    1) Minimize mistakes (i.e. turnovers)
    2) Gain QB confidence/rhythm
    3) Rest the defense
    4) open up the playbook so when you DO want to take a shot you can do it without hurting the flow of the offense.

    When the OC keeps on calling deep pass plays on 1st or 2nd down and long, it KILLS their drive.

    They need to just take their medicine and not try to force an offense their players are incapable of running effectively.

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    Regardless of who ends up QB, at this point, we desperately need to stop the whole co-offensive coordinator thing. Look at the plays, examine who made Garretson throw the fewest deep bombs (and who called the most run plays, for that matter), and nominate him as the sole OC.

    • angry angry says:
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      Baldwin should be the OC. He’s proven and his O’s put up huge numbers. GA handed his inlaw the job and overreacted to Baldwin when Sts was the problem.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        I don’t think its GA and McGiven who are related. It’s Crowton and McGiven. I don’t know that GA have anything more to their relationship other than the professional connection.

    • mexibeav mexibeav says:
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      Since we’re down to McMaryion/Seth, perhaps the OC starts calling like he did in the CW. I liked the Mix of McMaryion and Seth at Wildcat. That was probably the best I’ve seen the offense operate, even if it was against an awful defense.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Now the juco qb, Luton, has committed

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    OT, but then, maybe not. This thread is emblematic of AB at its best and why I keep following it. Great analysis, especially by Jack. The “good” Jack, one might say.

  • NALL BALL says:
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    UW 49, OSU 17

    Huskies are Playoff bound. GA needs to make this year the one where the Civil War streak ends. That would provide a huge energy boost and propel the Beavers forward to a bowl next year while the Ducks would likely fire Helfrich and labeled as 2nd best in the state by many in the media. Big opportunity for Andersen to prove he is the better coach with the entire state watching to see if the baton for statewide supremacy is passed on to the Oregon State Beavers.

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      “Huskies are playoff bound”

      Remains to be seen. That said they are probably the class of the north. Crapple cup could be trouble for them since it’s late November in Pullman. Personally I think they’ll slip up along the way. They’re good but I don’t see them as CFP good. Probably top 10 but not top 4

  • Chuck_The_Mouth says:
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    Is GA really angry in disguise… Angry wanted a passing QB here ya go: http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2016/10/jake_luton_jc_qb_commits_to_or.html#incart_river_mobile_index

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      Than you look at his stats and regret everything you posted before… 54% completions 11 picks! Ouch lol… we need depth but come on

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        20 touchdowns and 1700 yards also in 6 games. That’s 1000 yards more and 18 touchdowns more then we have right now. And a better completion percentage and less picks.

    • angry angry says:
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      Hm, just finished watching his film. He’s not the answer.
      GA is a mess with QBs.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        Future TE depth?

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          You beat me to it….. 🙂 I’d bet he’s not listed as a QB by or before the end of next year.

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            I’m noticing a trend with our QBs recruits.

            Seth Collins-only D1 QB offer was OSU
            Mason Moran-only D1 QB offer was OSU
            Aidan Willard-only D1 QB offer was/is OSU
            Jake Luton-only D1 QB offer was/is OSU (post juco)

            Is this a winning formula?

          • angry angry says:
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            Moran had a lot of offers. But in general, no the QB situation is an absolute disaster [Trump voice]

            https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/149022

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            Moran had other offers, but they were as a safety. We were the only QB offer he had.

          • angry angry says:
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            I posted that question on twitter. It’s a good one.

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            Part of it could be the timing involved in recruiting a QB, since teams usually sign their QB pretty early on in the process, and other teams might back off, rather than try to poach at that position. Just seems strange that we can get guys at every other position with multiple D1 offers, but not at QB.

            Maybe the strategy will work. Time will tell

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Angry, go watch the kid in person. He’s only what 25 minutes from you? You can’t have that much soap to make on a weekend. Maybe catch him after the game and tell him you run a beaver fan site, maybe you can get an exclusive interview of a future beav QB. That might get you that coveted media pass you’ve been dreaming about. Wink,wink.

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        Are you watching high school tape? Because that was awful. There’s very little college tape out there, but he does throw it significantly better in the handful of throws I saw.

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    McM’s career completion percentage is something like 45%. I wish he was good but I don’t think he is. Coach A probably doesn’t think so either, at least not yet. Garretson sucks too, though. I agree with you there. He’s awful. Clearly Anderson’s focus is on the defense and being tough/disciplined. I expect the ceiling for the Beavers is what Utah has become, but I’m okay with that as it’s a whole lot better than what we saw at the end of the Riley era and these past 2 seasons.

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      45% on sporadic play and weird situations and like 60 career passes. Way too small and sporadic a sample. Washington isn’t going to help. Hopefully he gets to play a complete game versus some easier competition.

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    Luton looks like he throws a good ball and has a cannon arm. Also looks mobile and agile in the pocket.. to me at least. I’m fairly optimistic he’s our starter next year.

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      Also after watching tape I’m positive he had awful receivers I saw at least 6 dropped balls in his highlight tape.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Wouldn’t be surprised to see us go after Luton’s DB teammate Crumbie.

    • BlackBeav says:
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      What do you dislike about Luton, obviously low completion % and high INT numbers but what else

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        He’s not Brett Farve?

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          My first thought on Luton was that he couldn’t start at Idaho, so here we go with another Garrettson situation. People seem to forget that Garrettson WAS A BACKUP at Utah St………let that sink in for a few mintues. I would say that, sure he can be developed, but then with this coaching staff how is that exactly going to happen???

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            He was a Frosh at Idaho.

            I’m not gonna defend GA here especially when it comes to QBs but I am happy he found a JUCO guy at that position. It shows me that he realizes we need more competition there.

            Its a good start.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            Not sure you can make any assumptions about Luton based solely on not starting at Idaho, Del Rio didn’t beat out any of the ham hurlers at OSU in case you forgot.

            As young points out, at the very least it does say GA is flipping rocks looking for some help.

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        On film, a lot of his completed balls are thrown short, either slightly low or slightly behind. His accuracy isn’t fantastic, and there isn’t much evidence of him being able to go through progressions.

        Like a few of our QB’s, he has some nice physical tools, but I wonder how much else is there.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        I never said i didnt like him. Being a pro style qb doesnt fit the arms/legs/mind criteria though

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Who’s a pro-style QB?

          This kid ain’t one. I’m surprised NDSU missed on him. He’s a prototype for the power run game they deploy.

          His release is flat, but he gets some really good snap on it.

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            “His release is flat, but he gets some really good snap on it.”

            I kind of like that….like there’s more potential there and the potential to get it there quickly even on the long throws and deep outs. Better than these one dimension, moon shot deep passes “I’ll-huck-it-down-the-sideline-you-run-under-it-and-by-the-grace-of-the-great-beaever-in-sky-it-will-be-a-completion deep routes Garretson appears to be limited to thus far.

            Hopefully he can be taught to throw a better screen pass than Derek Anderson….

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          *mind/legs/arm

  • Doozeldorf says:
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    Here some interesting tidbits from Gina:
    McGiven says the Beavers cannot afford to waste plays, such as deep passes that never connect. But then he also says “we’re gonna continue to try to do what we’ve done the last couple weeks.” WTF, man? Do you not realize you’ve been wasting plays the last couple weeks?

    On the bright side, UW defense allows an average of 177 passing yards per game. That’s 31 yards more thanour

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    I think, although we are way past that game that it would be a good idea for angry to have a conversation with a counterpart who does what he does for Colorado. They have just gone through what we are experiencing currently and are now coming out the other side. I’m going to bet that they had a lot of the same conversations on their fan-run boards that we are having now. But it’s five years in and they’re now probably the best team in the South Division. We all got upset when the administration wouldn’t pull the Riley plug when the ship was clearly sinking, but by the same token we aren’t Texas or Michigan and can’t just plug and play with our choice of five star recruits, this rebuild is going to take a little bit more time.

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      you aren’t the first person to state this. Welcome to the club. I EXPECT this team/program to make the jump to a lower tier bowl game next year. I also expect we have not seen the last wins of the season this year either despite the injuries piling up.

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    Luton didn’t come from a HS passing offense, played baseball, and claims in recent years he started working on his football throwing mechanics. He does not sound like a good “development” prospect for this staff given their recent record.

    Then there’s these notes from his time at Idaho:

    “Luton, from Marysville, Wash., played eight games as a freshman for Idaho last season and started one in place of injured Matt Linehan. He threw for 403 yards, one touchdown and four interceptions, and also ran for five TDs last season. He was the No. 1 quarterback in spring camp while Linehan recovered from foot surgery.”
    http://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/college/university-of-idaho/article88134277.html

    “Luton committed to Idaho in the fall of 2013 and signed in 2014, redshirting his first season on campus. Luton received no other FBS offers at the time due the run-heavy offense he operated at Marysville-Pilchuck high school.

    “They know I have the talent,” Luton said shortly after committing to Idaho in 2013. “It’s just a few fundamental things I have to tune up and study the offense. I’m ready to come in and try and win the job.”

    Idaho coach Paul Petrino was often ambiguous on the topic of Luton’s chance to overtake Linehan on the depth chart, but the fourth-year Idaho coach is also open about his competition mantra at every position. Luton redshirted his first season and couldn’t move the needle against Linehan heading into the 2015 season. ”

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/jun/09/qb-jake-luton-leaves-vandals/

    Now his recent JC numbers are good, and it may bear checking his tape at the end of his JC season. This staff’s inability to find a QB (unless Moran is viable) is a head scratcher.

    Former OC Baldwin recruited Seth Collins to CSU as a QB, one of Collin’s few QB offers (SJSU the other). Andersen is “hands off” the offense, but Between Baldwin, and the two-headed OC, you’d think they’d find a couple of recruits that could complete at least 60% in this offense?

  • DAWGS POUND THE PAC says:
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    He gonna be Marcus McBusted-up-FACE after this game! Y’all QBs are straight trash

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      Let’s hope nobody gets “busted up.” I’d hate to see Browning get rolled-up on and his knee or ankle trashed. But, perhaps we here in Corvallis have advanced as a species a little further than you guys. That protruding supra-orbital ridge you are rocking up there isn’t very attractive anymore.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Would someone please open the back door?

      A certain somebody needs to go out.

      Should we name him Ralph or Herbie?

  • angry angry says:
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    Interesting article on “student” athletes. This only strengthens my desire for a developmental league detached from attending college.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/20/college-hotline-pac-12-picks-of-the-week-with-cals-sonny-dykes-criticism-of-the-conferences-approach-to-the-schedule/

  • Justafan says:
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    Luton 6’6 220 = Vanderveen
    but they buried him to TE

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Yeah except that Vanderveen had offers from Oklahoma State and Arkansas among others. Then there’s this little nugget:

      ” Rivals.com rates VanderVeen as the nation’s No. 11 dual-threat quarterback. … He completed 59 percent of his passes and threw for 2,422 yards and 20 touchdowns in his senior season, with four interceptions. Also ran for 463 yards (5.79 yards per carry) and six touchdowns. Also, was nearly a .400 hitter in baseball and he plays center on the basketball team.”

      Yeah, bury that loser on the TE depth chart…

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Also spent how many years in Riley’s system trying to perfect the standing fetal position?

        • WFO WFO says:
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          Hey now, a guy can go his whole career and never perfect the standing fetal. Not everyone has the natural gifts that Cody Vaz had.

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            They all had it to some degree, except for Moevao. He had some “oh shit” play in him. It also got him hurt. Moore was the best at moving the pocket, so he could buy time before he had to strike the pose.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            I always thought Moevao would have been great at running hole’s offense as it existed at the time. Masoli was a 220# running back that could throw enough to keep the defense honest and could take the hits if he kept instead of pitching.

            There’s been a few highlight videos recently that had kids that could pull that off. Struck maybe?

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        The coaches said he couldn’t throw a spiral when he got to campus. He was like a more mobile Ryan Gunderson.

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          Correct, and he had a long delivery.

          Reports are that Moran can’t throw a spiral either, or hit a bar door. I was talking to NiceBeaver about this privately — that Moran is sounding like a bust. I know it’s early, but nobody recruited him as a QB except OSU, and I can’t get that HS game that was on ESPN out of my head. He looked SO bad in that game.

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            give him credit, a bar door can be very small. Barns on the other hand…

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            Isn’t that the game where he was playing hurt?

            Something I noticed in his HS film: he’s making a lot of the same throws over and over with no reads. It’s just snap, drop, throw, every time.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            And a QB who can drop while looking away from his primary throw will have the most success. The backers and secondary on this level aren’t reading your body. They’re reading your eyes. And you can move them out of your pocket by looking them off then pegging a window.

            As you mature, you realize that the D will start to look confused because they know they can’t read your eyes anymore. That’s when your bluff target breaks wide open. And since you’re conditioned to set and throw and can’t pass up an easy toss, the ball is in his hands quickly.

            Bread and butter.

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            Billy Kilmer couldn’t throw a fucking spiral either, he did ok!

        • WFO WFO says:
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          My point in beating the Vanderveen dead horse is that he was already on the team and he got buried then run off. Now the coaching staff is scouring the juco ranks and offering the poor man’s version of him. It’s fucking stupid.

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          Let’s be honest. He was Tanner Sanders with D1 talent around him. Since Sanders had similar numbers, he probably could have done better throwing the ball to Seth Jacobs and having Weinreich on his O-line. I never got the feeling anyone who offered him was really offering for him.

          Remember, in order to confirm your bias that BVV is an overlooked QB great that has yet to be allowed to shine by the dark machinations of meanie “not my guy” coach… you have to say the previous staff didn’t do any of that.

          I think some of you guys are suffering PTSD from having to watch Riley for years. If you stop and listen to our new coach, he talks football when asked about football. The media keeps asking a bunch of these same weird questions because they had to sit through pressers with Coach Hem-haw for years. But if you read Eggers you see what a football coach’s answers look like when he’s talking football.

          Of those four players on that Arroyo Grande team, two medically retired, he retired and the last is our K.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            He was Mannion’s backup, over Del Rio. Looks like the previous staff thought he had potential.

            For the record, I have never said he was or would be great. I’m using him as an easy example of how bad this coaching staff is at evaluating talent and managing kids on the roster.

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            You weren’t going to like our offense with either of those two starting.

            Neither was Riley.

            That’s who we were left with. Them and three frosh, of whom I think Kempt would have been the best as an upperclassman. But Riley would have been enamored with LDR’s arm and never played him. And then you had Sanders (who was never going to get a look) and Pensyl.

            Is having seven QBs on your roster indicative of feeling secure at that position?

            We also had a QB playing S for a while… and another transfer who transferred… and one who didn’t make it to school… and another who got a first down then transferred.

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    I think it is a shame that the expectation is that GA simply finds the QB of the future. QBs are hard to find and they are few. I am not a Riley apologist but that is by far the best thing he did at OSU (every starter got their shot at NFL practice squads, sometimes more). The best QB recruits are looking for a place where they can win a bunch of games or get developed for the NFL. We are not in a winning position yet and our team is not one that will make QBs a high draft pick. I suspect that we won’t see the QB of the future commit here until we have some bonafide wins. We will have to keep grinding them out for a while until we get lucky enough to get that QB commit. In other words, they are years away.

    Regarding McM, I think he may be lacking in the most important aspect of the job: decision making. DG had many flaws but his decision making was the best among GA QBs thus far. Often his picks were either plays on a tipped ball or misses on plays where he wasn’t tall enough to see into traffic. He was good for a few crafty pull down and run for a 1st down plays as well. This offense was humming when he was scrambling and throwing short passes. The team has admitted that the deep balls were killing this offense.

    I hope McM proves us all wrong. I would love to have a winner at QB but he has to prove he has solid decision making before anything else. The next point of debate will be his accuracy. I think that this will be suspect as well. I saw a couple of slants that he threw behind his WRs last weekend. The slant and out are critical routes for accuracy. They are bread and butter routes which lead to picks if the ball is slightly behind the receiver.

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      This is nonsense, Cal got Jared Goff coming off a 3-9 season with a brand new coach. And that is an example off the top of my head.

      Go find a QB that can play. Under the radar or not, find one that can play.

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        Cal didn’t exactly pull an @Wisconsin and follow it up with last season after that QB left.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Local kid. Pass happy O. Easier sell.

    • Doozeldorf says:
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      There are some gems out there that get overlooked. Some coaches can see certain things in a kids play and attitude that are critical and can’t be taught. Look at Luke Falk at WSU. He was only recruited by one D1 school and then got dumped by them. Leach recruited him as a walk-on. Look what he did to us in his first game, and he became their franchise QB. So there are good, accurate QBs out there that don’t get recruited by a bunch of D1 schools. Think about how many highschool QBs graduate every year and then how many QB schollies are offered from D1 schools. That’s a huge discrepancy.

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        That’s a good argument for an NFL developmental league at that position alone. It doesn’t have to just be about academic qualifiers.

  • Beav in DE says:
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    If you want to dump on this staff’s ability to evaluate QB talent, you could always go look at video of guys we’ve offered in the last two years. Are they any better than the guys who have committed, or do they all look mediocre?

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      Its about evaluating and recruiting. If you can’t recruit QBs your evaluation is irrelevant so both are an issue right now.

      • youngorst says:
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        That said look at the kid he was recruiting to Wisconsin and tried to bring with him to OSU. Austin Kafentzis. He left Wisconsin and has now left Nevada so we do know that even that 4 star kid may not have been evaluated all that well.

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          IIRC, no one here was that enamored with Kafentzis when he was considering OSU.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            It was a mixed bag.

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            I think it was an attitude problem if I remember correctly. It also was a similar situation to Collins only magnified, ie playing time, daddy issues and so on. From all accounts that was the correct assessment.

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        Which is why I suggested looking at film of the guys we weren’t able to successfully recruit, but tried.

        Are we after the wrong guys, or are we just whiffing on the good ones?

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          We’re whiffing on some good ones. In the last 2 classes, we’ve targeted some higher profile guys first, but ultimately landes on a guy who doesnt have much/any interest from other schools. So maybe its just as simple as nobody wants to play for us whem they have ANY other options.
          Having DG rated the worst QB in the country won’t help with recruiting either.

  • Burritodam says:
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    Would this staff recruit a Mariota or Browning type if given the chance? They’re certainly turning over rocks to find gems, but are they seeing gems for what they are?

    • Burritodam says:
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      Whoops, browning was recruited by top teams. I was thinking of an article that described him as not terribly interested in self-promotion for recruiting.

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        He wasn’t interested in it. Ed taught him well. But he was a nationally recognized stat machine out of California. We never got a whiff from him because Kellen Moore was too short.

        I hear that’s how Bledsoe is recruiting as well. Is that correct?

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          I don’t know much about Bledsoe. Looks like he’s very under the radar; with a decent arm could do quite a bit with lots of football iq.

          • youngorst says:
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            His brother Henry (sophomore) is even better.

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            Does older Bledsoe play any defense? Is he any good at it? Would it be worth recruiting him to maybe get henry?

          • youngorst says:
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            Older Bledsoe was an all state defender and a very good athlete; he is playing Lacrosse at Cal Poly.

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            sorry, thought you were talking about Stuart as he is the oldest Bledsoe. No John is a QB but in my opinion he’s worth recruiting as a QB. He is committed to Northern Arizona as a QB so he won’t be changing positions.

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          It’s my understanding that Browning didn’t go to a lot of summer camps, because he was working out at home with his dad and Troy Taylor.

          recent interesting article http://www.theolympian.com/sports/college/pac-12/university-of-washington/article109081552.html

    • Burritodam says:
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      My question, less specifically, is would we a) recruit a guy with work ethic, some ability and less “leadership-traits” and b) be able to develop him effectively?

    • Bill says:
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      Riley offered Browning a scholarship

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        Yes, but he lost him when he didn’t recruit Kellen Moore.

        And Katz didn’t help.

        • Beav in DE says:
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          Neither did the fact that he had much better offers like Alabama and the fact that Riley never really got highly rated QB’s despite his track record of producing NFL QB’s.

          • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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            Mannion was a 4*, fwiw

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            DA, Moore, Can(Moevao)field, Katz, Mannion

            Moevao and Katz were the only question marks coming in, but they were at least quality back-ups.

            Riley wasn’t any QB whisperer. Petersen is.

            It makes sense. One of them actually played the position.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Scott Brosious has been promoted to an assistant coaching position with the Mariners. Big step up from minor league hitting coach.
    And people said he wasnt qualified to coach the Beavs…..

    • Angry@angry says:
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      Not sure who said that…?

      • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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        Don’t remember specifically who said it but I do remember it being said on more than one occasion and possibly by more than one person.

  • scotty says:
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    Go Cal this week, BTW 🙂

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Oh boy. Wouldn’t that be awesome? That needs to be in this week’s pick’em, along with the score.

      • scotty says:
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        With defenses that putrid, it might go into centuple overtime

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          But Cals defense looked good against Utah this year. That’s why I pick Cal to win our game, it seemed they were getting better each week, until we showed up. Cal will win by 24 points.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Not sure, but is this some of what a football coach’s answers look like when he’s talking football?

    Andersen re: how has McM looked in practice this week?
    “Not a marketable difference in Marcus the way he carries himself,” the coach said. “I think he carries himself like a very, very solid student-athlete every single day when he comes out here to practice and in the way he prepares. I’m proud of the way he prepared this week, and I’m proud of the way he prepared last week.”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/10/oregon_state_beavers_practice_98.html

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Sounds like boilerplate positive reinforcement to me. Don’t blame him for the softball question.

      Maybe someone could ask follow-ups on the questions Eggers asked instead?

  • etyrt says:
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    Reading this whole thing reminds me of the Malcolm Gladwell essay on drafting QBs into the NFL. Despite all the film, scouting, ratings, and knowledge of the experts. Nobody has a damn clue how any of these guys will do until they face live bullets. Maybe the JUCO guy is great, maybe he sucks. All I can say is I have not seen much from any of the QBs who have played here that scream P5 QB

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      Absolutely!

      I think certainly it is easier to tell on the jump from high school to college than college to NFL. That said, the very few kids who in high school look to be great college QBs are not the ones that will be coming here. There is a lot of bellyaching because we can’t find a perfect QB to recruit. We don’t have much to offer. We need to recruit someone with warts and hope that they look good when the bullets are live.

      IMO, we don’t need a special QB by any stretch. We are starting to show progress in a lot of other aspects: defense, offensive line, run game, and WR blocking. We need to build on those strengths (also they are strengths of our staff). This is the anti-Riley and we have got it. The QB will come once things will turn around. For now, we have to get everything else right. A more accurate DG who can throw the ball deep even on rare occasion can win games here. After a few years of that, then we can start looking at landing that upper tier QB that puts us over the top.

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        To be honest, Seth is probably the most P5 QB we have had in GAs time. I just wish he had a mindset that was willing to redshirt, sit, and hone his craft. Then be released his RS sophomore year. On the flip side, i like his attitude as a WR.

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      Angry does. Go ahead, ask him

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    Didn’t Luke Falk play with Andersen’s kids in HS ?

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Week 7 results:

    1. Wrigg3: 6-0 (+9/+7)
    2. Theboneyard: 6-0 (+12/+14)
    3. Outcast: 5-1 (+15/+10)
    4. Sandiegobeav: 5-1 L(-9/-2)
    5. orangejulius: 5-1 L(-12/n)
    6. Jack: 4-2 (n/+1)
    7. Nicebeaver: 4-2 (+2/+3)
    8. Mud&Sticks: 4-2 (+5/-2)
    9. beavergopher: 4-2 (+5/+6)
    10. mckalk: 4-2 (+12/+3)
    11. scotty: 4-2 (+15/+3)
    12. RanYakumo: 4-2 L(-2/+6)
    13. oneoldbeav: 4-2 L(-2/+7)
    14. BlackBandits: 4-2 L(-5/+10)
    15. dwill03: 4-2 L(+9/+17)
    16. Numbers: 4-2 L(+12/+20)
    17. beaverkman: 3-3 (+8/+4)
    18. whiskey: 3-3 L(+1/+7)
    19. cj: 3-3 L(+19/+28)

    Week 8 picks:

    1. Nikegon @ Cal
    2. Wiscy @ Iowa
    3. aTm @ Bama
    4. Texas @ Kansas St.
    5. Wazzu @ Fork U
    6. OSU @ UW (score)

    • dwill03 dwill03 says:
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      1. Cal
      2. Wisky
      3. Bama
      4. Texas
      5. Wazzu
      6. OSU 30-28.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      1. Cal
      2. Wiscy
      3. Bama
      4. Kansas St.
      5. Wazzu
      6. UW (45-17)

    • Outcast says:
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      1. Cal
      2. Wisconsin
      3. Alabama
      4. Kansas State
      5. Arizona State
      6. Washington (45-10)

    • Theboneyard says:
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      Cal
      Wiscy
      Bama
      K ST
      Wazzu
      UW 55-13

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Bears
      Badgers
      Tide
      Cats
      Cougs
      Puppies 52-28

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Cal
      Hogeyes……….I actually think the Fadgers will win, but can’t pick them.
      Saban
      Kittys
      Pirate
      Sled dogs 42-10

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      Bears
      Badgers
      Elephants
      Cats
      Cougs
      Beavs 31-28

    • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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      1. Cal
      2. Wiscy
      3. Bama
      4. Kansas St.
      5. Wazzu
      6. UW 35-25

    • scotty says:
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      Hole, Whiskey, Nick Satan, Texass, Sparky, tbOSU 9, puppies 50

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      1. Cal
      2.Wiscy
      3.Bama
      4.Texas
      5.WSU
      6.UW (38-24)

    • cj cj says:
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      Cal
      Iowa
      aTm
      Ks St
      WSU
      Dawgs 41-35

    • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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      1. Cal (you’ve seen the sieve that is Oregon’s D right?
      2. Wiscy
      3. Bama
      4. Kansas St.
      5. Wazzu
      6. Leg humpers (48-21)

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      Cal
      Wisc
      aTm
      Texass
      WSU
      leg humpers 56-14

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      1. Cal
      2. Badgers
      3. Bama
      4. Horns
      5. ASU
      6. UW (35-6)

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      1) ducks
      2) wisky
      3) bama
      4) Texas
      5) Asu
      6) UW 56-7

    • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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      ‘ucks
      Wisconsin
      Alabama
      Kansas St
      Washington St
      Washington 49 – 10

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    PHIL STEELE REPORT:

    Oregon State (Offense: 93 / Defense: 77 / Special Teams: 53) – Game Grade Average 76.1 (#84)
    Projected Final Record: 2-10

    Washington (Offense: 6 / Defense: 14 / Special Teams: 37) – Game Grade Average 96.4 (#13)
    Projected Final Record: 12-0

    This series has shifted back & forth as Oregon State won 7 of 8 meetings from 2004-2011, but Washington has now won 4 straight including the last 3 by 37 ppg. The Huskies have the edge in all 3 phases & are fresh off a bye, while the Beavers are playing a 6th straight week. My computer is projecting Washington to finish with a commanding 492-222 yard edge. Husky QB Browning has put himself in the Heisman discussion & it will be interesting to see how he does against my #7 pass efficiency defense that Oregon State brings to the table here. Washington makes it 5 straight series wins, again by blowout.

    WASHINGTON 45 OREGON STATE 6

    POSITION BY POSITION EDGES:

    WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL:
    Oregon State QB/WR’s vs Washington DB’s: WASH +1.47
    Oregon State RB’s vs Washington LB’s: WASH +1.17
    Oregon State OL vs Washington DL: WASH +0.59

    WHEN WASHINGTON HAS THE BALL:
    Oregon State DL vs Washington OL: WASH +2.32
    Oregon State LB’s vs Washington RB’s: WASH +1.86
    Oregon State DB’s vs Washington QB/WR’s: WASH +0.43

    MISCELLANEOUS:
    Special Teams: WASH +0.78
    Kicking: ORST +0.32
    Coaching: WASH +1.40

    Oregon State Total: 0.32
    Washington Total: 10.03
    Positional Edge Awarded to Washington By 9.70 Points.

    PROJECTED BOX SCORE (Oregon State – Washington):
    Rushing Yards: 129-278
    Passing Yards: 93-214
    Yardage Total: 222-492
    Projected Final Score: 10-45
    Experience Rankings: 75-42
    Team Schedule Strength: 40-97

    Las Vegas Line: Washington by 37
    Las Vegas Total: 55 Points
    +/- Ratings: Washington by 35.8
    Game Grade: Washington by 25.1
    Computer Yards: Washington 492-222
    Computer Points: Washington 45-10

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    Cal
    Wisconsin
    Alabama
    Texas
    ASU
    Washington 49-13

  • Outcast says:
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    I can appreciate the enthusiasm from those of you picking Oregon State to win, but let’s be real here. Though this team is better than the “1-11 all doom and gloom” perception from before the Cal game, they aren’t ready to win a road conference game, much less against the best team in the conference. Our defense might keep it interesting for a quarter or so, but eventually, UW’s defense is going to force our offense to make mistakes, and the rout will be on until the Huskies let off the gas in the 2nd half.

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      Being real is for those who lack Big Boy Pants!

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      Thanks for the reality check chucko, but I imagine anyone taking the Beavs is doing so tongue and cheek because it doesn’t matter. It’s a game of pick’em done purely for entertainment, with no money or anything else on the line, so why not take the team you support even in a David V Goliath situation.

      And besides, you’ll be eating these words when McM comes out sling the rock, dropping dimes all over those leg humpers leading to the biggest upset of the year. Huck the fuskies!

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        WAIT?? There’s no money for winning this?

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          Maybe we can talk Jack into tracking it all season and awarding the winner a pair of hip hip hooray socks and a night of all you can eat popcorn.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Popsicles or no deal.

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            I thought the whole point of this competition was to determine wang size?

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            I have a lot of numbers if anyone wants to know. It just seems a little busy for this space.

            If you make it to a game, we’ll make sure the winner gets free popcorn and a choice of garments from a lost and found where I think I’ve seen a driver head cover… and a couple small children if you need a cobbler.

            Since we don’t live in the era of soft anymore, there will be no more parties with slip-n-slides, water balloons and popsicles for dessert. From now on we will have popsicle fights on the slip-n-slides and cool down by lining up along the hoops facility and letting the softball team throw water balloons at us.

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        If the situation plays out where I have to eat my words, I would be perfectly happy with that. Even if it means having to listen for the next few months as Angry takes credit for being the greatest football mind of all-time.

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    Boise State offense melting down against BYU. Two pick sixes plus a lost fumble before halftime

  • M Bowman says:
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    Mason Moran=Morgan Mahalak=Thomas Sperbeck. Only Boise got it right.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Bleacher Report with a feature on John Bledsoe.

    http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2671026-growing-up-bledsoe-life-as-the-son-of-a-former-nfl-quarterback

    I dont think OSU has passed on Bledsoe at this point, despite him being a Northern Arizona commit. Seems like a good move if they could bring him in. Free publicity for the program, we could serve Drew Bledsoe’s wine at the Terrace, and we might just get a good player out of it.

    Might have helped that we held part of our Summer camp at the Summit campus where dad and son are part of the program. Good way for both sides to get to know each other well.

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      No scholarship offer from OSU at this point. They have stayed in contact though. I think John is better than FCS. Nice pipeline also because Henry Bledsoe (sophomore) is a good prospect too.

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      Can’t help but wonder if the way Luke Del Rio was handled could/might have an effect on Bledsoe’s willingness to be a Beav. Word gets around.

      Also, I don’t remember reading much, if any, about why Daniel Prieto committed to OSU (he indicated that he was going for sure) and then suddenly flipped to San Diego State. Anyone know why that happened?

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        Prieto was a walkon for us before Blount. Shortly after Blount also became a walkon, Prieto was offered a scholarship by SDSU, so he took that opportunity.

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          FWIW – I found a newspaper article which reports Prieto’s explanation of why he changed his mind. There’s no mention of it but I’m assuming that since he was already a resident of California his walk-on tuition at San Diego State would be a lot cheaper than an out of state walk-on at OSU.

          ======
          http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sdut-sdsu-aztecs-football-qb-transfer-daniel-prieto-2016jun21-story.html

          San Diego State has added some depth at quarterback with junior college transfer Daniel Prieto, a preferred walk-on who played last season at El Camino-Compton College.

          Prieto is a 6-foot, 174-pounder sophomore who prepped at Newbury Park High. He originally committed to Oregon State this spring out of El Camino-Compton, but decided after a recent visit to SDSU that the Aztecs would be a better fit.

          “It was a really great environment,” Prieto said. “I could see myself in San Diego. It’s familiar but also different. That’s really what went into it. … I definitely feel like I will have a better opportunity (than at Oregon State). San Diego State didn’t take a Class of 2016 guy (in its recruiting class), which also played into it. That kind of evens the playing field a little more.”

      • angry angry says:
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        He got a SoCal BJ from a hot cheerleader?

        No offense to Oregon ladies.

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        I don’t think the Luke Del Rio thing means anything other NFL dads. Luke Del Rio committed to Oklahoma State then bounced to Alabama to walk-on for a year. Left immediately to come here and then left after a year to go to Florida. I think that this entire situation reflects more on him than anyone else. I think this reflects on him as a poor leader who runs from a challenge, probably not the quarterback most programs want.

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          This is nonsense, he made a verbal to Oklahoma State, took a shot as a walk on at Bama but failed to earn a scholarship, and got buried on the depth chart by Andersen. All it indicates was that he wanted a legitimate shot which Andersen was not gonna give him at OSU.

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            LDR was gone as soon as Riley ditched OSU for the second time.

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      Free publicity?

      This is one of those kids that makes me angry about what college coaches look at for their evaluations. There is a reason these kids produce at a high level without optimal measurables. It’s because they have a head for football.

      It completely pissed me off that Terron Ward wasn’t offered by anyone until after signing day. I guaranteed at the time he would be a sure fire D1 RB who would pay dividends on both the practice and game fields.

      Jordan Poyer was another one who was just outstanding in high school. Mike Hass should have been given a scholarship from day one. Owen Marecic should have been a huge priority.

      And it hurts like hell when you find out you don’t get Kellen Moore because of the same dumb mentality.

      It’s okay to recruit players who will only be great college players and never see a down in the NFL because of your measurables and pigeon holes. Those players are who bring in better players. OSU doesn’t get either Belitnekoff if we don’t get the first one, just like we don’t get a peek from a legacy like Jake Browning if we don’t get Kellen Moore.

      I don’t know if Bledsoe has greatness written all over him on this level. But I do know he would be a more than capable game manager at the very least. Hearing that his head is filled with football only makes me more sure of this. And, looking really long term, these type of players are the ones who make the best future coaches, IMO. Having him in practice and on the field will pay dividends.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        I think that was a really long way of saying what i said above “and we might just get a good player out of it”

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        And yes, i totally agree with you

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      Lots of cash to buy a bottle of Doubleback…just sayin’

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    BYU called a fake punt from their own end zone last night (4th and 19). Sitake said they wanted to be “aggressive”. He’s a great recruiter, but Angry was right that he’s a little short on intellect.

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      What a dope.

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      I guess it’s shit like this that will cause you to lose a game where your defense scores multiple TDs and you win the turnover battle 5-0.

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      And he has his kicker (who has no knee protection at all) run with the ball. Uhhhhh

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      I’ve been impressed so far with Clune’s defense. Considering the amount of youth he’s been forced to out out there, and being just his first year with the team, they’ve already exceeded my expectations. Big improvement over Sitake’s defense from last year. Wooo!!! Wooo!!!

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        Then there’s this quote:

        “Everytime someone tries to use injuries as an excuse for not performing, I want to smack them upside the head.”

        I think we upgraded at DC this year.

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        Maybe I’m being harsh, but I thought Sitake was “deer in the headlights” much of last year. Whittingham ran the defense at Utah, so I’m thinking Sitake did more recruiting than coaching while there.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      “Sitake ran a fake punt on 4 and long….dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb” -south park

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      That’s hilarious. BTW Sitake, aggressive and smart are mutually exclusive….

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    OT. At Reser last Sat I ran into a prominent b-ball alum. Introduced myself and talked to him for a few minutes. I was told that he had watched practice the day before and little Tinkle..(.Dribble?) was still limping noticeably. He also told me they think they are close to landing a seven footer for the ’18 class that is a good bud with a ’17 recruit. “The kids all want to play with their friends” was how he explained it.

    • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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      I’m guessing the 2018 recruit is Jack Wilson. Any guesses as to who his friend for next year is?

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        Wilson is originally from Montana so……..

        Wilson is big man on court
        Former Coastsider’s game grows into shoe size
        By John Murphy [ sports@hmbreview.com ] Nov 11, 2015

        He wears a size 17 shoe. In fourth grade he was 5-foot-9 and bigger than his male teacher. He’s seven-foot Jack Wilson, a former Montara resident, and he’ll be coming to a gymnasium near you.

        “The summer of my sixth-grade year I was six feet tall,” said Wilson, who lived on the Coastside until one month into his freshman year at Serra High School. “I’ve gotten used to the attention. I’ve embraced it and I love it. I think it’s a blessing that I’m this big.”

        Now a 16-year-old sophomore at the all-boys’ Catholic school, Wilson will be a starter after watching mostly from the bench as the Padres last season won the Central Coast Section Open Division basketball title over St. Francis in a dramatic finish.

        Link to rest of article:
        http://www.hmbreview.com/sports/wilson-is-big-man-on-court/article_fccced46-88c4-11e5-afd2-3f18fc5b3663.html

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        https://twitter.com/jackwilsonfc
        His twitter page is rather sparse but I’m encouraged by who he’s following: Jack Wilson followed Go Beavs, Oregon State Hoops, Andrew Nemec and 45 others

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      For those of us who don’t follow recruiting that closely. Can you decode what that last tidbit about the 7 footer means?

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        Jack Wilson – 2018

        Jacob Hughes (2017) played most of his AAU ball with Belmont Shore (Ethan Thompson). But he also played for Team Arsenal (Jack Wilson). He’s a fringe Top 100 player for 2017 with a nice mid-range game.

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      I hope that kid takes the time to heal properly, even if it means taking a year off.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Over/under for Cal/whoregon tonight is 89.5.

    well…….Cal could put up 90 against that awful defense

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    41-17 Malamutes

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    Gina’s piece on McMaryion is up for those of you who haven’t gotten enough of him yet. According to her, Andersen implied he’ll be the starting QB for the rest of the season.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/10/marcus_mcmaryions_roller-coast.html#incart_river_index

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    I look at it this way McM has gone 16/30 for 233 yards over his last two games played with 1 pick and 1 TD. Given the current state of Beav quarterbacking those are Tom Brady-esque numbers.

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    Will get a good laugh if Oregon-Cal becomes a defensive battle.

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Muhammad gashing the quacks

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      “They keep running the ball down our throats, so let’s continue to put only five in the box every play.”

      Can’t believe people thought Brady Hoke was going to fix anything with that Oregon defense.

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        Who’s worse: Banker or Hoke?

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          Both. At least some of banker’s players were tough.

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          Same bad defense, same dumb look on the sideline, I guess then it’s just a matter of preference…arms crossed or hand jive.

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          I have given Banker a ton of shit, but I can’t deny he led some solid OSU defenses a decade ago. He just never adapted his scheme to be successful against modern offenses.

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            Look at the players that were on those teams.

            Then look at the players who replaced those players.

            If it wasn’t for Paea, even Riley would be saying, “Loyalty schmoyalty.”

      • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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        Every mention of Brady Hoke is another opportunity to bring up this video:

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        I haven’t seen gaping holes that big since my last trip to the whorehouse.

        We all knew their fall back to earth was coming. But they didn’t listen. But but but, uniforms!

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    Does Nebraska play anybody tough this season?

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      Their division blows. Starting to see how Bo got 9+ wins every year.

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        Meet the new boss… same but nicer and will abandon the run game more than the old boss.

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      Wisconsin and Ohio St.

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    If we don’t curb stomp the ducks this year I will be mildly upset. Hopefully GA understands “no mercy”.

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    After all these years the refs are finally calling the holding penalties we have been seeing by the quacks. A lot harder to run it when you can’t cheat.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Right? After years of “get your eyes checked ref” they final heeded the advise.

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    These Quackers are soft. Damn.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Jesus.

    I would rest Nall for the rest of the year just so he could put 500 yards on the ducks. It would be worth it.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    What a pump fake…….hahahaha.

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    21-0 Cal. I can’t decide which I like more: this Brady Hoke defense or the Justin Herbert QB’d offense

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    Cal defense remembering it’s the Cal defense 🙁

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    That sure looked like a TD. You could see the blue behind his heel……..nevermind td bears.

  • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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    Can you guys imagine: Hoke appeared to be the lead candidate to replace Riley until GA swiped the job at the last second. Thanks for feeling destined to be in Corvallis Coach.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Lead candidate among what group of geniuses?

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        I was always curious about who the ex-NFL head coach was who apparently expressed interest in the Beaver job. Unless that was just a false rumor? I never heard an actually name.

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          Obviously it was Jon Gruden 🙂

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            Just what we needed, Chuckie stalking the sidelines. Cazano and Goe would have been scared shitless to write anything negative about him, for fear of him eating their souls.

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          DE

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      Hoke looked like he may have lost a little weight……..I’d have a hard time eating after watching game film if that was my defense, so it makes sense.

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Nice punt by hekker, er, Webb

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Wtf was that? You have Oregon on the ropes and then give them a gift. Brilliant play call and execution

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Cal flushing it away.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Another WTF? play call. Give Oregon another short field when you can punt? Genius

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    Power run game is one of the easiest plays to stop on 4th and 1 unless you have a great line. Oregon played that perfectly and made it look easy. Cal doesn’t have the hogs to do that.

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      Should have lined up in that formation and hard counted them into an off sides penalty. They would have jumped.

  • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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    Clinic on bad coaching 101

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    For a Freshman in his 2nd game, Herbert has looked pretty good

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      He was better than he was bad. You expect the inconsistency, but he looked decent.

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    You can never count on Cal :/

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    Ducks hold a lot.

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    Wow……that might have been a blessing for Cal, if they can move the ball this last series.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Helfrich didn’t go for 2?

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Jesus h christ CAL

  • angry angry says:
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    These teams both stink. Beavs are not far from this level of play (if not beyond it on D). Maybe the rebuild will go faster than people think.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Hope you all bet the over

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Oregon employing the scuba squad in Q4 and OT

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    Cal couging it 🙁

    Should have gone for 2

  • goBeavers goBeavers says:
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    Oregon’s true freshman QB Justin Herbert is having a better game than an OSU QB has had in years. Maybe because he’s from Eugene there was no shot at him, but dude’s 22/39 for 258 yards and 6 TDs 0 INTs. Also, 8 rushes for 54 yards.

    Garretson was 13/24 for 85 yards and 2 INTs vs them. Better game on the ground though. Our QB situation is fucking awful.

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      As of right now you have to go back to Mannion in 2013 vs WSU to get an OSU QB performance to match this one from Herbert lol

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      Jinxed.

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    Will be sweet if this continues, teams are forced to go to 2 point conversions, an UO fails….

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      Will be bitter if this continues, teams are forced to go to 2 point conversions, an UO succeeds….

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    Geez this is going to end exactly like our cal game. They kick a FG then Oregon wins with the td

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Dykes should write a book, how to collapse under pressure.

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    Refs sure they don’t want to call one more biased penalty on Cal?

  • angry angry says:
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    Mark’s bum is toasty.

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      True, but I expected a second half from the holes to match the first. Figured the bye week without a game to focus upon would lead to total collapse of teamwork and heart. Now they have something to build on, either gonna totally check out or come back strong…no in between.

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    59 was so excited he didn’t know what to do. “Fuck I’m running for the endzone” #1 should have just tackled him.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Midnight for Cinderella….but Helfrich can say “Its a new day!”

    2-5, 0-4 in Pac play…

  • Alex says:
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    Lot of comparisons between garretson and Herbert. No question Herbert played well overall, but gotta give garretson props for that clutch OT win where Herbert throws a pick.

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      Herbert is a walkon true freshman.

      Garretson is in his 4th year of college.

      Herbert threw for double the amount of touchdowns in this game then garretson has all season.

      I never look to compliment a zero, but Herbert already looks to be a better qb

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    Alright, doods, I’m off to bed. Game thread is scheduled to go up at 2:30 tomorrow. I will be watching every snap of this one, curious to see if McM jump starts the O and if the Beavs can giant kill Washington (they’re good but kinda overrated). Too bad the Beavs are so thin.

  • them beavers them beavers says:
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    I must be one of the persons that does not mind that sports going over 3 to 4 hrs. I guess I don’t get it why is have a short games so great. I love baseball for it.

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      Lots to love about baseball!! FB over 3.5 hrs? Not so much, too many breaks in the action, reviews and (tonight) penalties.

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        Scoring is the A Numero Uno reason for games being so long.

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          scoring=break in the action. But you put your finger on it better than I.

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    Ducks lose 5 in a row. Let’s reflect on that. For several years people in here went on and on about how the Beavs would forever be left in their dust if they didn’t “upgrade” and ‘modernize’ their offense. I’m not sure what point I’m trying to make, except that the Ducks suck sooner than anyone in here though they would.

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      Killjoy.

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      Once Chip left it was only a matter of time for them.

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      Coaching. I think Helfrich is in trouble. I don’t think they’ll can him this year, but if they don’t win 4 or 5 of their first 6 next season he’ll be out mid season.

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      UO continues to put up points, but their D has been so bad last season and this. They didn’t have great D under Kelly as I recall, at least not in terms of yards and points. It seems like they had their fair share of high scoring affairs and OT games (e.g. AZ) But they probably used to get more TOs and special teams scores to make the difference.

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    Always nice to start the weekend off with a Duck loss, but damn Dykes makes a lot of stupid decisions. He’s going to wear out his welcome down there at some point.

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      They almost didn’t want him back after last season with the late extension deal over the Christmas break last year.

    • EricBeaver says:
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      #firedykes was showing up on twitter through most of the game. Always adds perspective to see things like that.

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        I think the Ginger Lesbian convention this weekend in Vegas might have something to do with that

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        Not if Trump had his twitter on and decided to act as if he has already lost.

        I’m guessing that hashtag will be prevalent for a while.

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    The shine continues to wear off of Riley/Banker’s “break through” victory over the Ducks…

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    Waiting for quack honks to say they’re the best 2-5 team in the country

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    If the Oregon football program was playing Chutes and Ladders, they landed on that big chute thus season. Wheeeeee!!!

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    Question: Can an uncovered left tackle be eligible to receive in any context?

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      Yes, if he reports in as eligible. the NFL announces when those things happen. Not so much in college. It meant the big guy who motioned to the slot was ineligible, which is why he didn’t move off the line of scrimmage. Had he done so, they would have flagged him. And based on the number of flags in the game, I’d say the refs didn’t miss that one.

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        Incorrect, in college (and lower levels) an ineligible number makes you ineligible, the NFL is the only level you can check in as eligible

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          Sorry, read your post too quick, need coffee, thought you said they could report eligible in college

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        Ahhh,,, found what I was looking for. I didn’t even ask the right question. I’m so used to the structure of the NFL that the college game just looks wonky sometimes.

        In the NFL there must be two linemen on either side of the C, and they must be numbered correctly and covered. Anyone who is covered is not an eligible reciever.

        In college you just have to have five players with numbers between 50 and 79 on the LOS, and none of them are eligible receivers. Everyone else is eligible whether or not they’re covered.

        I didn’t look up the very last part about eligibility. I only surmised that because I have never seen a covered receiver get called for being ineligible in the college game. And it happens a lot, especially in a spread O with several shifts taking place. I know that can still be wrong because also in the spread O are WRs who don’t step inside the numbers for several plays at a time (during and between plays), and I know it’s a rule that every O player has to do that between snaps.

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          A covered player is still ineligible even if they have an eligible number in college.

          And I am pretty sure the NFL doesn’t require 2 guys on either side of the center, you can still run an unbalanced line in the NFL.

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            The only eligible receivers in college are the last 2 guys on the LOS assuming they are wearing eligible numbers and the 4 players lined up behind the LOS (including the QB)

            In the NFL the last 2 guys on the LOS are eligible but if they have an ineligible # they must check in with the officials who make an announcement that they are eligible and the 3 guys lined up behind the LOS, the QB is only eligible in the NFL if he is lined up in shotgun,

            Those are the rules for both levels. The NFL can have their center wherever they want though.

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            Yeah… I just got a hold of the actual rules.

            Even the C can be eligible if set up correctly. In college he would need an eligible number and five players with ineligible numbers on one side. In the NFL he could report as eligible and line up uncovered or just have an eligible number while uncovered.

            The NFL makes their rule more complicated by saying anyone who is ineligible without a 50-79 jersey must report and vice versa. And if he reports and remains in the game for consecutive plays where he is eligible, he doesn’t have to keep reporting. College just says there must be five 50-79 jerseys on the line, they must be covered, and they’re ineligible.

            I was pretty sure a covered player wasn’t eligible. But I’ve been watching college teams do it for years in the slot and at the TE, so I was unsure about that. Hell, the Ducks have run a covered TE down the seam for the better part of a decade.

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            The Ducks don’t run a covered TE down the seem, the receiver to his side is always behind the line of scrimmage

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            Trust me.

            I used to get pissed at it and rerun the DVR to show other people… who normally thought I was crazy for thinking such a minor rule should be noticed, let alone enforced.

            Then I would call it out according to formation just to amaze people. An uncovered TE on the empty side would almost always be a QB keeper off tackle to that side. A covered TE with a dropped (or motioned) slot and a WR at the LOS on that side would be a toss up the seam to the TE.

            I first noticed years ago when the TE or WR on that side did, in fact, line up a yard off the LOS. But their shift would draw the weak side receiver one step back while the WR or TE who was off the LOS would deliberately move forward. Then the TE would streak down the seam and be wide open almost always.

            Now it doesn’t phase me. Now I just know college officials really suck.

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            Sorry, not QB keeper… wing option

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    Herbert probably thought he was throwing to a Duck on that last play.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    “Mark Helfrich just spoke. Looked like he was fighting back tears. Brady Hoke was also very emotional. Can tell this one hurts.”

    https://twitter.com/Prehmmr247/status/789728046144036864

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      Maybe he knows he’s getting fired.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      “I did my best, (sniff sniff) I tried hard, I promise”

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Olive duck game recap has 1600 comments in 45 minutes. Lots of ” well the huskies are going to score 90 on the beavers” talk. What a bunch of cry baby fans they have.

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          Why would UW score 90? We’ve already seen what they can do against zero D and negligible O.

          We only have one of those.

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    Ducks are a joke hahahah!! Easily the worst defense I’ve ever seen fielded at a PAC school in recent memory.. and last year we were really bad.

  • mckalk says:
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    Did anyone else think that Bellotti wasn’t sad to see the Ducks lose? I thought there were a lot of shadings to his comments finding the positve with Cal and the negative with Oregon. Nothing wrong with it, in fact i enjoyed it, but interesting. Maybe bitterness still there?

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      I doubt he gives a shit with the amount of money he pulls in (PERS and espn).

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        Gives a shit about what? HIs past relationship with Nikegon? He certainly doesn’t pimp it when he does ESPN. I think he’s good at analysis.

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          No, if they win or lose. He might have been burned by them with the chip Kelly deal but I don’t think he cares. That fucker is the highest paid PERS taker in oregon, and by that I mean he has fuck you money (almost). I just can’t see him caring what happens.

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            Oh yeah, he made a killing financially and he wasn’t really cut out for the AD position to begin with.

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            Actually he was passed this year by a doctor in Portland who goes over $50K per month, Bellotti is a mere $45K per month.!

            It sucks no matter how you look at it..there’s no way a public employee in Oregon should bring in that amount of money in retirement!

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            Why? It’s their contract, PERS is deferred pay for work. I get that people don’t like it since the private sector has completely abandoned pensions and forced people into the con that is the 401k but the reality is that PERS isn’t ‘free money’, its deferred earnings.

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            Calling them takers frankly pisses me off, PERS isn’t a handout or welfare, it was earned.

            Tier 1 was too generous but the whole trash talking of PERS is ridiculous

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    Some thoughts on coaches:

    Looks like Hoke’s last gig at a major program.

    I expect Helfrich will get a shot again somewhere else as an OC, probably not a HC.

    Petersen ought to have UW playing well for the next few to several years. When Browning is done, UW’s OC/QB coach Jonathan Smith ought to be ready for a HC offer. Maybe Andersen will be off to another job as has been his pattern? Or maybe OSU will have to think about proactively managing the change.

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    Beav fans should be praying to football gods that hole keeps helf, forever.

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    Duck fans were oblivious to the “rot from within”. Prukop was no Vernon Adams, anyone could tell that from watching a little film. No internal QB development for two years. No personnel to run Hoke’s defense even if he could coach. Less elite recruiting classes each year.

    I’m tired of the Ducks “win the day” and plug and play bullshit. My only fear is Phil Knight is going to say enough of this cluster fuck, Chip is coming back as soon as he is available and I’m paying whatever it takes. Knight is not going to let the brand fall apart.

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      I’d bet my house that Chip never comes back to Eugene. If (and that is a big if, he wants to be in the NFL) he comes back to college he will have his choice of jobs and Oregon won’t be in the top 10.

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        It ain’t really making it in the NFL so far.

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          Last time I checked he is getting a pay check from an NFL team so until that changes he is in fact making it in the NFL.

          No one was winning with the 49ers roster, he will still be the coach in 2017.

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            You know what I mean, he has had limited success compared to his college career and in my opinion he’s not going to get there at the NFL level. Just my take.

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    OT… for Douglas Adams fans, BBCA premieres Dirk Gently tonight.

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    Is someone going to start a new thread, or do we have to embed some vids to kill this one off?

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      angry said the game thread would be up around 2:30

      Beavergopher, did I see that correct. ‘Sota needed a FG at the end to beat Ruggers at home? Same Ruggers that the Harbaugh’s blasted 78-0?

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    Nebraska fans getting real quiet after that TD. It’s like looking in a mirror. Here comes the Rilllley letdown.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    I had enough of bad football last night. The TV’s not going on until 3:00.

    But I did notice Joe Mathis is out today.

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      Nice. As far as the bad football last night it gave me some solace that Ducks fans had to stick in there that much longer just for the loss.

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    Anyone else see that Nebraska fan doing the Mark Banker hand jive already?

    Bet he starts AngryHuskers in a few years if Riley isn’t gone by then.

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    Serious question,
    Why do a lot of you wish ill on the Nebraska football program? Who cares that Riley moved on (it was for the good anyway) and why can’t we recognize he did do some good things for our program?

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      FYI: Secondary Nebby fan here. Although, yes I do agree he won’t pan out for Nebraska.

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        I think a lot of it has to do with the state he left the program in, and that he left again. OSU’s so talent-deficient at this point (thanks in no part to Riley constantly under-recruiting instead of selling Corvallis’s strengths) that it may well take a four year rebuild for the program to get back to where it was, not to mention the players that were there were also underconditioned.

        He also went on record saying stuff like “I want to coach OSU for the rest of my life”, and then ups and leaves for Nebraska because we wanted him to abandon his incompetent coordinators.

        I don’t constantly hate him, but boy am I glad he’s gone.

    • StateU says:
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      I’m not done proving my point yet about Riley. That is seriously what it is about. Personally, I hold a grudge because he abused the aw shucks nice guy image to cover for some serious shortcomings imo, and when things didn’t pan his staff spun it as Corvallis’ fault through local media they had in their pockets.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      It’s not wishing ill on NU. I respect NU and had a couple friends play there whose names you would know if you are a fan.

      It’s that we pity you.

      Your perception of anger is that some of NU’s fans don’t want to hear the truth about Riley, and they act with hostility at the mere mention of his patterned faults and character traits. At that point it turns into a matter of schadenfreude as those who were once hostile come to the realization that the truth remains the truth.

      And that schadenfreude will be your joy when you realize there are some people who will never acknowledge the truth anyway.

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