I don’t know much about this guy as a coach, but the announcement coming tomorrow.
I read he coached the WRs/OC at Houston under Briles. So, sounds like this hire is (a) A move toward the wide open Baylor/Houston offense and (b) A Texas recruiting insider.
Go Beavs.
First. Seems like a decent hire IMO
agreed. just looking at the surface stylistic tendencies it’s a move in the right direction for a program with a confessed lack of aptitude in the passing game. No better lineage than perhaps the coaching tree Leach is a part of.
Phillips was one helluva receiver in the run & shoot under Pardee.
So is our identity going to be air raid? or power run?
Or somewhere in the middle where we dont really have an identity and we are just trying to find balance, ala Riley?
Texas connections will help compensate for the loss of Odum in recruiting
Good question.
Hopefully GA’s statements about varying pace as the situation dictates gives a clue here, maybe we’ll see some balance…………..take what the opponent gives ya.
My understanding is that we want to always have the power run game as a foundation. But for those days when the opposition has the upper hand for whatever reason, we need to have the ability to open it up and take more than is given.
There’s a minor movement within football where some coaches are eschewing systems written in stone for parts of systems that work always. Instead of the air raid and the 85% of that O that invariably fails sometimes, forward thinking coaches are taking the 15% that always works and mixing it with the 10% of the run-n-shoot that always works and the 20% of this and that and such and on and on.
The system itself will be a bag of tricks. But the run game is always the most important trick in the bag. So many other tricks are enhanced when the run game clicks, even if it seems weak in varying games.
case in point, Mike Leach, who ran this past season more than he ever has and even then with a top-flight passing combination at Qb/WR
I think GA is always going to use the Utah St. 2012 season as a point of reference/template. The Aggies averaged 265 yards passing and 204 yards rushing. They had dynamic players at ALL skill positions (albeit against mid-major competition).
That’s why you get the lukewarm responses from the coaches regarding McM at times. I don’t think the coaching staff considers him “dynamic” and that’s what they want. GA wants to be able to run up the gut with power, use the QB run game to mix it up and to throw long at times. He’s trying to find all the P-12 caliber players to get there.
Kansas sucks at football.
I know, and that’s coming from us….
Kansas sucks at a lot more than football.
Dorthy and Toto disagree.
http://pictures.ozy.com/pictures/900×900/0/8/8/38088_39_Oz_DotTotoPort_clr.jpg
Meh… semantics.
She would say Kansas blows.
Interesting trivia I did not know but discovered while researching Phillips. I won’t reveal it because it was fun to find it myself.
Who was the first player in NCAA history to have 1000+ receiving yards in a season?
It will probably be easy for a couple of you guys.
Terry Baker’s favorite target, Vern Burke, right? 1962 Liberty Bowl season? Burke was huge by the standards back then.
I figured it would be easy for some of you. I knew he was a major factor from that season, but I never knew the milestone trivia.
It’s interesting, they was one more sub-1000 leader and then things kind of took off after that with the passing game, but a lot of it was TE oriented at first. Howard Twilley was a beast and then a good pro with the Dolphins.
I knew the Burke stat just because I’ve been an OSU fan since I was a little kid. It doesn’t get much notice.
I remember Burke was an AA for that year and the next. And then I remember Belitnekoff and Twilley changing the game. But I honestly never knew any of the stats for receivers. I just remember who was fun to watch.
I remember baseball stats from that era. The probable cause was my ownership of several baseball cards.
Any chance we poach some of the Jayhawk’s recruits?
I hope you are thinking basketball.
I detect exquisite AB sarcasm at work with that comment.
Texas RB Dominic Williams would be nice, but just wishful thinking at this point
Phillips has been around a long time, coached and played in the NFL. Led the nation in receiving as a college player. I don’t think you’re going to get much more experience than that. KU is a train wreck program, but he had 72 and 62 reception receivers last year and they used three QB’s also. Seems like a good get for a team that must improve in the passing game.
Seems to be a solid hire. Should have connections for recruiting in Texas.
Utes hired E.Washington’s OC as their new OC this morning
Here’s a somewhat current article that gives some background on Phillips. Most hires happen with connections, I don’t know what the connection(s) to OSU are, if there is a direct connection.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article104508466.html
I know it’s probably coach speak, but this quote indicates he’ll feel at home with the Beavs squad:
It looks like he made an impact on the KU receiving corp. I hope he can do something with Villamin.
He and Odum coached at SMU together. Other than that, not sure how he’s connected to GA.
Todat seems like an odd day to announce a hiring, since school hasn’t started yet. But I guess it’s not the type of hiring that required a big press conference or anything of that sort.
It seems to come full circle. GA has been expressing a wont to open the game up here and there with seamless interchange between it, the power run and misdirection. He’s also expressed an interest in making inroads into Oregon football.
It’s a little hard to ignore Mouse Davis’ influence when talking about either of those goals. And I’m sure this leads to talks with people like June Jones for help in finding the fit GA wants.
Speaking of coaching hires: Should you know a young person looking for a handhold in coaching/athletic administration, you might alert them to this, sure to be an eyecatcher on any future résumé.
Montana Tech (NAIA): Montana Tech has an immediate opening for two intern coaching positions (one offensive and one defensive). Primary responsibilities include assisting the head coach in all phases of the football program. Other responsibilities include coaching a position. Must be proficient in using Hudl Video Editor, Microsoft Excel and PowerPoint. Experience with film breakdown and data entry is a must. A monthly stipend will be provided as well as a portion of housing. This is an entry level position. College playing experience and/or previous coaching experience is preferred. Email resume and references to defensive coordinator BJ Campbell at rcampbell@mtech.edu. No phone calls please.
Go Orediggers!
Oregon hires Keith Heyward. They need a Beav to fix their mess. I guess they remembered the “put a Beav on it” campaign.
Speaking of the Sark coaching tree…
http://footballscoop.com/news/lane-kiffin-will-not-coach-cfp-national-championship-alabama/
Saban wants the booger eater to coach, I think you can plug almost anyone in there and win… what will be funny is ,if they lose all the blame will be on Sark.
Do you think it has anything to do with some of the kind of odd comments from Kiffin regarding Saban before the Washington game? Kiffin wasn’t really laughing when he talked about “no happy moments” working for Saban.
Think GA will land Venable at CB. Deciding between Oregon State, WSU or Nevada. Corvallis is best location and OSU the best of the bunch. Can visit the coast, Eugene or Portland easily and on the I-5 corridor. Nevada is much lower level football in a not great town of Reno. WSU is so isolated you limit your options of going places without traveling hundreds of miles. Get used to staring at wheat fields. GA will seal up a Venable committment. Football wise we are on the rise and offer immediate playing opportunity with some facilities that will be brand new later this year.
Why would you leave Corvallis to visit Eugene? I do the opposite… probably more than I actually “visit” Eugene itself.
Reno’s not that bad. It’s also not Sparks. Tahoe does have beaches. And Pullman is a cool little town with Moscow and some great mountains 10 minutes up the road. True… they are more land-locked than those of us on this side of the Cascades/Sierras.
Wisconsin sinks the boat
While I was enjoying the L1L schadenfreude, it’s nice to see that damn boat go down
Buuuuuuuuuuuuuurp!
Fuck yeah bitches! I’m back baby!!!!! Only Lane and I can get fired at USC and parlay that into an OC job at Bama! Roll tide!!!!
Lane’s problem is he’s a lush and I drank him under the table! Suck on that Lane!!!!! Patron with a worm is for amateurs. Patron with a booger is where it’s at! Fuckin Roll tide bitches!!!!!
Wow great intro to the rose bowl about the 1941 Oregon state vs duke game. Just a blurb but pretty cool.
God I hope U$C destroys penn state.
L1L 10 sucks
Before I leave this earth I hope I get to see the Beavers play in the Rose Bowl. It is the grand daddy of them all.
Win it. Not just play in it….
Pretty funny, most people on the big 10 message boards are rooting for USC
Most are OSU/Michigan defenders that don’t wanna admit Penn State got snubbed…they’d have gave Clemson a game
Did you go to PSU? You are remarkably fixated on Penn State getting snubbed.
No, I’m entitled to my opinion though….Ohio State was undeserving and letting a school in simply because of its preseason ranking bugs me….switch Ohio State and Penn State and you’d have seen the 2 loss Ohio State team get in, guaranteed.
I have a problem with that, frankly all Oregon State fans should because Oregon State won’t ever get the kind of treatment….we go 11-1 while UW goes 11-2 with the PAC title and UW will get the bid, reverse that and UW is still the one getting the bid. That’s dumb.
Last paragraph is exactly right, and it will continue to drive away fans.
If you look at the 3 years, anytime there has been any debate over a bid, you can simply look at the preseason ranking and whoever was higher in that poll has gotten the bid, Ohio State over the Big 12 teams in 2014, no real debate in 2015, Ohio State and UW over Penn State this year….
I would be fine with getting snubbed to the Rose Bowl every year if we had the chance. F@$% the college championship…. you guys act surprised like it’s the first time. I stopped caring when they put Bama in against LSU — the year LSU won the SEC AND beat Bama in the regular season. Someone else besides Bama should have been chosen — like an actual conference winner. The bowl championship system repeats the same errors because it isn’t science, it’s fuckin people making the decisions. It will continue to happen until enough people stop watching, period.
Actually, I was bitching then too. The BCS should have only taken conference champs and the college playoff should only take conference champs. At least until its big enough to take every major champ, once it grows over 5 teams than you can start to talk about taking at large teams.
And you can stop it with a simple rule, ‘only conference champs will be considered for playoff bids the only exception is an undefeated independent that played at least 9 games vs. P5 schools”
And you are done. Problem solved.
More interesting background on him here, including his view on “measurables” and his apparent ability to improve players who don’t catch well at first:
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2016/apr/07/tom-keegan-kansas-wr-coach-phillips-resume-loaded/
Looks like a great hire.
Seems like a GA guy and good fit. I don’t have any issue with the hire at all. Glad to see him go outside the Utah State staff as well.
Don’t worry, we’ll get some Utah State flavor with our safeties coaching hire, if it indeed turns out to be John Rushing.
Trojans couging it
Not anymore. That was a pretty good game. Good for USC. I guess a soul crushing defeat is just as good as a blow out for Pedo State.
Nittany Lions (whatever the hell a nittany lion is) do the final couging. Appropriate given their feline mascot.
Nittany is a mountain in Pennsylvania. They had to get creative I guess…..or they are just pretentious assholes….either works.
A nittany lion IS a cougar, so it was an appropriate ending for them.
L1L champs lose to the second place, 3-loss PAC 12 team. Hopefully some around the country will stow the 20/20 hindsight they were using to complain about Penn State not getting in the playoff after the Buckeyes crapped their pants.
Actually, it wasn’t “hindsight” from many, and it still holds true. USC is probably better than Ohio State too. But none of that is even relevant.
Penn State won the conference and division that Ohio State plays in along with beating Ohio State head to head. That is the only argument anyone needs. And that should be enough.
How would you feel if Oregon State went 11-2 beat Washington and won the PAC title but the Rose Bowl decided to take an 11-1 Washington team instead? The Rose Bowl doesn’t do this because its obviously absurd and stupid but that is exactly what the playoff did.
Its funny how you accuse me of some bias (did you go to Penn State?) while you seem to have some unhealthy hate of Penn State.
“How would you feel if Oregon State went 11-2 beat Washington and won the PAC title but the Rose Bowl decided to take an 11-1 Washington team instead?”
Obviously, I’d think it sucked because I’m an Oregon State fan. What would you expect? And how would I feel if Washington went 11-2 and won the PAC title but the playoffs decided to take an 11-1 Oregon State team instead? I’d love it. I care far more about the Beavers than subjective “who’s in?” arguments that can go on all day.
As far as not liking Penn State, I actually think they get a raw deal from a lot of people, as if the players or current coaches were covering sexual assault of children. Doesn’t change that I think getting BLOWN OUT by Michigan and having two losses should keep you out over a team that only lost one game by a single score.
This argument could go on forever, but I only brought it up earlier because you said “Most are OSU/Michigan defenders that don’t wanna admit Penn State got snubbed…they’d have gave Clemson a game” in reply to something that had nothing to do with the playoffs or who the committee chose.
It’s cool man, no hard feelings or anything, just football arguments with no clear answer.
You should despise it. That’s like walking into a store and stealing the cash register. Hey… it sucks for the store owner. But I’m happy that I have the cash.
If you can’t be bothered to win your own conference (hell… your own division within your own conference), you don’t deserve to play in a tournament that has less seeds than there are conferences. If you do, that tourney is automatically illegitimate.
If the committee chooses not to put PSU in the bracket, the only legitimate replacement is OU, a P5 conference champion, not the losers from PSU’s own division. Or maybe an independent or non-P5 champion makes that cut. But you never take a loser and try to pretend they’re not a loser.
I can see an argument for tOSU getting to play in the Rose because of their head to head win over the winner of the other division in their conference. But there was also no reason for USC to be there. They had their chance, and they were losers in their division to the actual second place team in the conference.
As a result, I’ve watched zero bowl games. But I did watch the FCS games on and off. NDSU will not win their sixth in a row. And I don’t think they deserved their seeding because they also were not champions in their conference. So even that set-up isn’t perfect. But at least the margin for error is that much smaller because of the system itself.
If the FBS set up 24 teams for a championship run, we wouldn’t be talking about two undeserving divisional losers stealing cash registers. We would get to see the teams playing the best football at the end of the season winning and advancing, making the next week that much more compelling. As it was, I forgot UW was playing Bama until well after the game on Saturday.
“That’s like walking into a store and stealing the cash register. Hey… it sucks for the store owner. But I’m happy that I have the cash.”
Being happy for the beavers being a beneficiary of a subjective football decision is actually nothing like that.
Taking something that isn’t yours is just as subjective. Theft can be legal. Would you rather call it appropriation?
The football playoff decision isn’t “taking” anything. A playoff spot was never anyone’s to begin with until awarded by the committee.
They’re using the words championship and playoff. By the very definition of those words, there should be nothing subjective about the selections beyond culling from a group of champions.
If they refuse to adhere to the very language they use, then I refuse to call them legitimate. If you don’t earn a place in a tournament of champions, you are taking something from someone who did earn that place.
If tOSU went on to win the whole mess, I would have no qualms calling PSU the national champions. After all, the second place team in their division beat everyone else. Any champion of that second place team has a right to that claim.
If they went on to beat a tournament field which also seeded their champion, I would then view their accomplishment as legitimate.
They’re using those words because the national *championship* is determined by the *playoff*, not because everyone in it won their conference.
“If tOSU went on to win the whole mess, I would have no qualms calling PSU the national champions.”
You’ve gotta be freaking kidding me. Transitive football logic fallacy at its finest.
It’s not a national championship if there’s a champion of the winner of the subjectively seeded playoff. That’s not transitive. It’s reality. PSU are tOSU’s champion this year. tOSU winning some subjectively seeded playoff that excludes PSU does not make them a champion of PSU.
They can’t justify the very language they use. Why are you trying to do so for them?
*2nd place in the South Division
And who’s stupid enough to compare this PSU team to one that would have rightly represented its conference over another team that couldn’t even be bothered to beat them when they had the chance?
You know well enough that when a team suffers a heartbreak of any kind to end the season, their hearts just aren’t in it for the bowl game.
Good point but I can’t agree that their hearts weren’t in it…damn they scored 49 points!
Now I know half the score.
You all made it sound like they came out flat.
Actually it was 48.5% of the score.
Usually don’t root for U$C but it was fun seeing the look on that pompous ass Franklin’s face when they coughed up a furball. Also glad to see their cocky QB not hitting anymore imaginary home runs.
Struck out on that last drive :)
In all seriousness, my argument for Penn State is really just a conference champs only argument but where the hell is all the hate for Penn State coming from?
I am glad SC won and represented the PAC better than any other schools did but don’t understand this hate. Did a mountain lion from PA eat your dogs or something?
I know right? People act like they knew and covered for a serial pedofile for years! What gives guys????
No one on the team or coaching staff had anything to do with that. That is like hating a kid because his dad was a criminal. It just doesn’t make any sense to me. Everyone that was involved is gone. What more were they suppose to do? Close the college? Take the diplomas back from everyone that ever went there?
Their entire program should’ve been shut down. If SMU got the death penalty then what they did more than qualifies
Shut down the entire athletic department, too, just to be safe. What, you disagree? RAPE APOLOGIST! ENABLER!
*Jack Bat(shit crazy) Signal enabled*
I usually don’t make a habit of rooting for schools that harbor a pedophile for 20 years.
Even when no one that is at the school had anything to do with it? Again, I asked above but I’ll ask you too, what were they suppose to do? Close the college?
Never said the school should be closed but I sure as hell will never root for that institution. If you have children this story should chill you to the bone https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-abuse-20160712-story,amp.html
You mean the current board of regents and AD that continue to fight court cases brought against the school? The same ones that continue to deflect blame from the school, even blaming the whistle blower coach? Fuck penn state and fuck their fans who forgive scumbag coaches and forget about the real victims.
So they aren’t caving to lawsuits? The board of regents cleaned house….I guess the crimes of the few should punish everyone forever….
I’m in no way condoning anything but the coaches and kids in this team have NOTHING to do with any of it
FYI, blaming the people that fucked up isn’t deflection, the school, current AD, and board of regents didn’t do anything wrong.
The point is that there should be no coaches.
There should be no players.
There should be no football program. At all. Ever. EVER.
While we’re at it we should also boycott any schools/teams who had a policy, written or implied, of segregation.
They should have received the death penalty, and the fact they didn’t means they’re getting it in the court of public opinion. If that didn’t get the death penalty, we’ll never see it again.
I think we will see it again: but it will be levied against an also-ran program and only because it cost someone a lot of money.
Anybody else here impressed with Sam Darnold?
Yep. He is a QB robot. Dude didn’t even smile during the postgame interview on the field!
It sucks we’ll have to face him the next 2 years. He was really impressive tonight. First time I’ve watched him play. Big guy too, like Ben Rothlesssssburger (too lazy to look up the actual spelling)
I find it interesting that the Orange Bowl and Rose Bowl were far more entertaining that “the games you’ve been waiting for” (as ESPN’s announcers told us for two weeks ad nauseum)
This ^^^^^^^^
That’s because there weren’t any SEC teams playing
Glad to see Penn State was not able to do their signature “come from behind win.”
I think you just set whiskey up
I think it was a Bo Burnham song. Something along the lines of tossing a little boys salad. Salad topped with neverland ranch
Forget salad, I think I just tossed my cookies
In days past I believe it was more like come in the behind…..
Someone on here asked if the new WR coach will have any recruits to possibly poach. Noticed that the WR we offered this weekend, Reggie Roberson, is a former Kansas commit.
Funny, because i was thinking at the time that the offer must have had something to do with whoever we were planning to hire
Per the Ped State discussion above. The reason other B1G fan bases were cheering for SC to win is the holier than thou attitude of the alums. They always presented their school as above the slime of other football powers because of Paterno’s ethics and unquestioned morals. When the truth was revealed, the vast majority have failed to accept that their demigod was just another slimey football coach with better window dressing.
The end of the game was perfect. Most of their fourth quarter comebacks featured miraculous catches of balls that could have been intercepted. The odds caught up with them. Good.
The SC QB will run roughshod over the PAC for a couple years. That kid is good.
So would it be fair to go back and rewrite the discussion about the NCAA placing sanctions on PSU so as to agree that they had a duty to punish the school as they did because one of their members who was thought to be so “pure” so very badly damaged the brand (or whatever you want to call the image they pretend to uphold)?
Just because it had to do with something other than recruiting doesn’t mean a program shouldn’t go to jail for something that bad. Maybe we should be railing against the NCAA softening the original sanctions and allowing the program to re-enter society so quickly. It sounds like their alumni still don’t get it.
And that is one of the biggest complaints. The original sanctions weren’t enough, then they just dropped it once the major court cases were done. Then the alumni come out of hiding like nothing happened.
I bet there are several other players and coaches who knew what was going on and did nothing. And I bet several of those same players and coaches were in the group of deniers and apologists. Like a unfunny version of Sgt. Schultz.
I’m not doubting any of that. But the discussion then had a majority of voices against the NCAA “overstepping” their mandate and punishing a school for something outside the scope of sports. It was like beating your head against a wall trying to explain to them how it was worse than an NFL player getting a DUI and then rightly being suspended.
Those voices gave sanction to the NCAA dumping everything once they thought it was out of mind. And now a lot of them want to be hypocrites because it benefits them?
I’m not buying it.
I’m not saying I don’t enjoy seeing PSU as the goat. And some who are vocal about it were consistently so then. I just see a lot of chinny chin chins wagging at said goat.
http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/article_0d8f92f3-62a3-5d12-a137-66d3bfb8b213.html
OT, does anyone know anything about these “curious cat” tweets?
He is down to one life.
It’s just another social tracking app where anonymity only applies to the “consumers,” not the provider.
Thanks, Jack.
Speaking of tweets, this from a key part of the D:
Elu Aydon© ?@EluAydon 15h15 hours ago
Around this time next year, I promise we will be playin in a bowl game #RespectTheProcess #GoBeavs
FWIW, the return of Bright U. will make it much easier for Elu to make good on that promise. Stay healthy, it can happen.
Haha…
“And let’s face it: Kiffin is about the only coach who could be fired from a job that he’d already quit.”
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18395257/lane-kiffin-abrupt-exit-alabama-crimson-tide-surprising-sort-of
The Peter Principle is a real thing.
He’s the gift that keeps on taking. I don’t know what Lane has against FAU.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/03/lane-kiffin-wants-to-be-in-press-box-to-help-bama-in-title-game-nick-saban-says-thats-not-possible-from-legal-standpoint/
I’m sad to see Kiffin go, he and Saban kind of deserved each other. One’s a joke and the other is humorless. Seems like a match made in heaven!
Claeys just got canned.
Just saw that, I guess he shouldn’t have supported the football players over the schools pre-crimes division.
Indirectly advocating “group sex” is probably not a good position for a college football coach.
He supported his team. The players protested because the accused players were suspended without a chance to defend themselves. It’s not a good look for the university and it’s not how things like this should work, regardless of their guilt.
Doesn’t matter. Title IX investigation and the burden of proof is considerably less. Did you read the statement made by the AD on the matter before the players decided to end the boycott?
https://www.landof10.com/minnesota/minnesota-football-boycott-holiday-bowl-sexual-assault-investigation
Despite gangbangs being completely legal, participating in and/or filming one probably doesn’t look good for your university’s football program. Code of conduct. They all signed it.
But in spite of that incident had Claey’s just kept his mouth shut he’d still have a job.
I don’t know if he would have survived this whole thing had he just shut up. You’re correct about everything else. The rules for attending a university and being a scholarship player on their football team are not the same rules that do or don’t put you in jail.
That the whole team refused to understand this simple concept means the man who leads them is a failure as a leader of young men. But you may be right about how he’s acted through it all. It sounds like the team was turned against the school. Someone poisoned the well, and Claeys sure makes it sound like it was him.
Just told my brother about this….his first words were “Chip Kelly to Minnesota, Riley would be piss in down his leg”
How about Chip shuffles off to Buffalo (Bills)?
Or kicks it back a notch, focuses on offense again, and attempts to rebuild his resume as NYJets OC?
It was a joke at Rileys expense. Most likely he will stay in the nfl I would imagine.
Riley’s a joke at the Huskers’ expense, so it’s only fair
Apparently not ruling out return to college ball:
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/chip-kellys-open-return-college-ranks-010317
I doubt Chip would seriously consider Minnesota but in reality it wouldn’t be a bad landing spot, Big Ten West is ripe for a program to rise. Its pretty much Wisconsin and no one else.
That said, I think Chip actually takes a NFL OC job (New England wouldn’t surprise me) because even though he hasn’t discounted a college job I think he prefers the NFL. If he doesn’t do that I expect he takes a year off and has the pick of the litter next year.
Unless say Texas A&M or UCLA decides to call him than I think he’d go back to college.
Considering the Eagles still owe him $ from firing him and now the $ he’ll get from SF, dude is set for life. He doesn’t need money and can do as he wishes. I agree with you that he will be an OC somewhere in the NFL. I don’t think his ego lets him come back to college football
Utah’s new OC Troy Taylor may be the difference for Utah in the next few years. I’m not sure if they get by USC, though. Taylor was Jake Browning’s high school coach when Browning set all kinds of TD records.It looks like the best hire in the conference to me so far this off season. If Whittingham can find the guy to throw the ball for Taylor’s offense, he might actually get a conference championship. I was wondering mid season about EW’s offense and heard the backstory and it is impressive what Taylor’s high school team did in Cali.
Taylor was only at EWU a short time. He is not responsible for the sunrise each day. He was good at Folsom, good as a high school qb guru and good as a cal announcer. Folsom is very good , but is store bought. It tends to bully weaker competition and slather on stats for the sake of stats. Let’s give Taylor a chance to prove his worth.
completely off-topic: The Chronicle of Higher Education has just published the list of universities that have granted the most research doctorates, #1-50. Looking for Pac 12 schools yields the following rankings:
4. Cal Berkeley
7. UCLA
14. Stanford
15. UW
25. Arizona
30. ASU
31. SC
38. Colorado
47. Utah
The list ends at 50. I’m not inclined to search for it but one has to wonder where OSU, UO, and WSU rank on this list (probably in that order though, I suspect). I offer this to provide some retrospective perspective on the logic of the conference accepting Utah and Colorado rather than, say, Boise State, UNLV, BYU and the like when it recently expanded.. Not that it would ever happen, but if the conference wanted to go to a top-50 academic status (by this admittedly arbitrary metric) for consistency within its existing footprint, it would drop the three above named NW institutions and add Cal-Davis (20), Cal-San Diego (22) and Cal-Irvine (43)
I actually think the PAC would consider Cal-Davis if they greatly upgraded their facilities. Its got a billion dollar endowment (which puts in on par with Utah and Colorado and above 5 current PAC schools)….Its a very good school, I don’t know the full history of it but I’d be interested in why its never been serious about athletics. Probably the best PAC profile within the current footprint.
Remember though, that being a great research institution is not the only important metric when looking at universities — certainly if one were looking for a place to send their son or daughter.. For example, who is teaching undergrads — doc student TAs or full time faculty? What are undergrad class sizes? For example are there 600 students in Econ 101? Hint: 2 years in community college and then transfer in to the research-oriented university — upper division classes normally get full time faculty.
Some of the reason why OSU isn’t ranked is because they don’t offer as many PhD programs as the top universities. These schools are all located in major population areas except Boulder.
Utah and Colorado have been excellent adds to the conference.
Boise State offers only 5 PhD programs btw.
This would be a relative concept. A concentration on engineering and ag and not having a teaching hospital would account for a lot of it. You’ll note that ag econ has become a program on the rise at many of the land grants these days precisely because they wish to be consumed with the pageant part of teaching.
I left out business… also not generally a doctoral pursuit.
Correct. Business is there for those who decided engineering would be too much work, and wanted to always have a 3 day weekend.
Signed,
Business Major
What the hell are Boise State’s five PhD programs? Advanced Potato Farming, Ass Freezing, Power-5 Complaining, Duck Stomping, and Remedial Turf Aesthetics?
Isn’t it still a two year school?
Some other numbers from US News FWIW:
Number of doctoral degrees awarded: WSU (438), OSU (341), UO (339)
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/washington-state-university-236939
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/oregon-state-university-209542
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/university-of-oregon-209551
Looks like we have a new JUCO safety joining the team this week. Kameron Carroll from Ventura College (same school as Jake Luton and Vosean Crumbie)
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/2902745/57fbd4a97bddf705a812cdbe
Not much else known yet. First time I’d seen his name in connection with OSU was tonight when a friend of his tweeted about him heading up to OSU for football.
https://twitter.com/KiyahSewell/status/816523764720549888
Assuming that means PWO if no one has heard anything?
Yes, he’s a PWO. Just confirmed that
As per Nemec’s recent article on Daniel Green, the Beavs are in his unofficial top three. The interesting part to me is he makes it sound like Kansas State and Utah are recruiting him much harder than the Beavs are. I wonder why? If TJ Woods is the primary recruiter for Oregon I would say we may need to adjust that. Obviously Morris and Bradford were solid gets, but we have missed on some other big time players, many who are O-lineman, which is Woods position to coach. What do you guys think?
Am I remembering correctly that there were possible academic concerns with him?
I’ve read of similar concerns as well.
Precisely what question are you asking?
Are you asking about Green’s grades?
Jack, you may have some input on this. Do poor grades really matter much to a private school like USC. People have talked about how Green may have decommitted from USC because of academics, but do they even need to follow the same guidelines that public schools need to adhere to?
My uneducated guess is that players all have to funnel through the ncaa clearinghouse regardless of where they end up playing, so maybe that is the bottleneck for USC, if the rumors are evem true?
Either, a guy’s grades are his business, so if a school wants to recruit a player who may not qualify, that’s a calculated risk which is probably worth taking for a program who otherwise might not land him
USC will get a waiver for any player they want who meets the clearinghouse numbers. But they won’t sign someone in February if those numbers won’t be met by graduation. They’ll pick you up again in the aftermarket if they think you’re worth it then. But they think they have enough plan Bs and Cs who are good enough now and would be happy to be Bs and Cs. They would argue they’re really plans AA and AAA. I would argue whatever.
They had in place long ago an infrastructure for remedial SAs. That’s why Nikegon thought they needed the school to subsidize their athletics with such a system, to the exclusion of their student body. They could request a waiver for applicants outside the mean for acceptance due to their value to the school as athletes. USC knows how to parlay celebrity into productive citizenship, why couldn’t Image U?
Most grant system (land, sea, space, sun) schools have a mandate to serve the public. There are infrastructures for remedial instruction in place where the sheer numbers dictate the necessity of such. That’s why Ed Ray expanded OSU’s mandate to increase capacity. He then leveraged that vision of the future to create a capital commitment to all students, not just SAs. With that remedial structure in place, it makes it easier to accept waivers for potential students from all walks.
Some schools take their mandates to mean that athletics are not as valued as other parameters. So you won’t see a commitment to such. Others recognize revenue sports as a loss leader, which it really isn’t.
If Green is talking to schools who have ties to the Juco market, he’s likely headed to that market. But a part of the recruiting game there, like mission kids, is to sell them before they go there so as to have a path toward future discussions. And even then a lot of those kids end up on the “whatever happened to” pile.
USC feels it doesn’t need to hedge its bets by spending their resources doing this. And they’re probably correct given the talent pool in which they reside. All they have to do is make sure the kid is no Aaron Hernandez, and they’re good to go.
Thanks, I knew you’d have the goods on this topic.
Speaking of “whatever happened to”, Shurod Thompson is a Marshall commit only 1 year into his juco career. Wonder if that will pan out, and if it does, why didnt OSU (or any other team) try to bring him back? He’d still be a 4×3 guy, at a position they seem to be recruiting heavily with a focus on JC players.
What position is he playing? I read a mention back in September he moved over to the WR spot.
http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/01/daniel_green_wests_top_mlb_has.html
Now that I read the article, I also don’t know how you get any sense that OSU isn’t doing this or that. It says Nikegon is trying their best to ignore him even though he wants to make them his final OV.
Utah and KSU have systems in place to work with JUCO kids. A lot of successful players went through Kansas or Utah associate programs and landed at those two schools because those systems include recruiting those kids despite their grades. DE has always done this, benefiting OSU at one time. GA would like to emulate that system because he sees talent fall through the cracks, and wouldn’t mind utilizing it instead. He probably helped develop or streamline it at Utah. And he was probably not allowed to do it at Wiscy.
Grading new roads in-state and through JUCOs takes time, especially since the in-state part had been left to atrophy with the previous staff.
“Now that I read the article…………….”
So in other words, you came to a conclusion in your own head with a disregard for actual facts?
We’re all shocked
Not at all, bonehead.
He didn’t link an article and misrepresented what was written in order to maybe ask something resembling a question. I didn’t know what the hell he was asking until I went and found and read the article he didn’t source and misrepresented.
Probably reading more into it, but these are the items that lead me to my wonderings:
“We communicate every now and then,” he said. “We text during the week. I don’t think we have a visit set up, so I’m not sure (when). I do plan on visiting, actually.” ~Green
The article also mentions that he already has visits set up with KState and Utah. My presumption is that if he was a priority we would have made sure we set up a visit date with him already.
This is all speculation of course.
Of course it’s speculation. The following paragraph puts it in context. He starts talking about Nikegon and probably ruling them out in terms of being the last of his OVs. We would be the beneficiary of that because right now he has goo goo eyes for the peacock, not us.
Jack, is the email in your post where you can be reached? Need to run a question by you.
yes
Horrifying
Go Beavs?
Stacy is a turnover machine
Every team looks like a final four team against us. So frustrating
Did our D1 men’s basketball program just start a walk-on tonight?
Every game since Tinkle went down I believe
The guy who would be starting apparently can’t follow team rules and is suspended most of the time.
Does he practice with the team, even? I’m all for keeping his so-called personal issues quiet, but there should be a way to make at least a glossed-over statement from mbb.
10 – 20 from three. 4 -13 from the line. Okay…
First win in Mackey since ’05!
Minny’s shots went in when they needed to. Purdue looked bad in the last 2 min. Of course Purdue fans were crapping their pants because I guess we’re never supposed to lose to Minnesota, but you have a solid team and the Big Ten could be up for grabs if everyone keeps losing.
Cougs win going away. 75-62, Beavs 4-13 FT, cougs 14-15.
IMO this loss is squarely on the coach.
I’m going to put this loss on WT to some degree. I don’t understand the “milking the shot clock” strategy. It took them out of their offense. They seemed to have decent rhythm with some inside out threes and movement before that. That decision killed the offense for the rest of the game.
Spot on, imo. A couple of times, McLoughlin, Steven, Kendal actually drove to the basket – WT doesn’t seem to believe much in a transition game – almost as if the Beavs wait for the opposing team to get down the floor so the Beavs can do their perimeter passing drill. aarrgh
They don’t have the talent or depth to get into an run and gun type of game.
Or any type of game, apparently.
they don’t seem to have the ball handlers for a fast break team.
Exactly, WT purposely had the guards pull the ball out with about 9 minutes left (seems like some commenters didn’t actually watch the game) and run the shot clock down. There was no need to do that, they weren’t running and gunning with Wazzu, but up until that point the offense had some success. After that, they went into the shitter. I thought it was a strange coaching decision.
The better coached team won that one
OT – UW had the talent and the season that led to 4 players leaving early for NFL draft; WR Ross, DT Qualls, CB Jones and S Baker. Those are all (obviously) impact players. Does UW have the depth to “reload,” or is this going to be worth a couple of losses next year due not just to talent, but leadership? Had these guys stayed, UW would seem to easily be the North favorite, maybe even the PAC favorite (USC?).
An more experienced Browning will be worth a lot, and the program will be stable with Petersen, but I think there is enough losses to make the top of the PAC north more in play than it might have otherwise been.
If Browning went I’d say yeah they will take a step back, but Udub has had top 30/20 Classes ever since Sark got there = there’s more then enough talent on the team.
With Peterson at the helm they are here to stay. Might not make the Playoff again as it’s nearly impossible to repeat that feat unless your name is Bama or Ohio State, but they will be at the top of the PAC 12 heap. Probably 33% chance of repeating as conference champs if Browning stays healthy.
That program has been the sleeping giant. Peterson was the perfect hire. They will not slip much.
UW doesn’t play SC next year; the Beavs get that assignment, down there. Thus, with those holdovers UW would have seemed to be a cinch to win the Pac North next year. Indeed, this next season is the true test of whether Peterson achieves the Don James-like “re-load” status, as opposed to re-build. My suspicion, is UW drops off a bit but probably still wins the north
Lets look on the bright side. The poor performance our men’s basketball team means they get a high draft pick.
Right?
While waiting for an official announcement of Phillips hiring (did I miss it??), here is a piece on Whittingham and his approach or lack thereof to offense at Utah. Things about Whittingham interest me because of the similarities between him and our own GA.
http://www.sltrib.com/home/4776314-155/monson-no-longer-a-dark-overlord?fullpage=1
Do we have a good chance at landing Jamire Calvin?
I don’t feel great about our chances. The fact that we offered that new WR Reggie Roberson last week (who has connections to the pending new WR coach) makes me think we are not feeling confident in Calvin and need a backup plan.
For those not on twitter, there’s a 4* Aussie PF/C, previously with SMU who is planning to transfer schools. Supposed to choose this week between Oregon State and Marquette. Visiting Marquette in a couple of days and already visited OSU.
Had offers from Arizona, Colorado, Wake Forest, Wisconsin back in 2016 cycle.
Have ready he was injured coming into the season and came in out of shape and undersized this year, so SMU fans arent really very high on him.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/5684
Deciding Jan.10th. Would have to sit out remainder of year. Not sure if he would be available next season based on transfer rules and him transferring mid-year. Anybody else know?
We need a guard that can dribble and pass without a turnover.
I see Taggert is brining his own RB coach from Florida so it would appear our guy is safe
If rumors are true, it appears the Gophers will be rowing the boat on the Willamette next season if the final #s can be agreed upon.
Since “Row the Boat” has been trademarked by WMU, I’m going to suggest “Pull the Train” as his new catchphrase.
Where can I get a ticket to ride?
Your local record store? If nothing else a YouTube video perhaps?
Beatles – Ticket to Ride (Live at Wembley Stadium 1965)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70-WSgZn1MQ
Not the Carpenters version?
“…Not the Carpenters version?…” OMG! Now if you’d said Vanilla Fudge then…..
Considering what took place at Minny that started that shit show, I’d say “run the train” would be a more appropriate slogan.
Row the motorboat
Now it’s Les Miles. I forgot how fun these coaching rumors are. So is the nearest grass to Reser in the quad by the Union? I don’t want my HC getting a digestive disorder eating the Field Turf.
LSU Tigers football coach Les Miles is eating grass against Alabama …
http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2014/11/08/lsu-les-miles-eating-grass-alabama
Start the paddleboat?
About time. Coaching hires announced, plus some staff shuffling.
http://www.osubeavers.com/news/2017/1/5/football-andersen-adds-two-dynamic-coaches-to-staff
Did that seem like it took a season to get done??
Red tape probably held things up, plus wanting to announce both together.
Coaching assignments are here:
https://t.co/hJfeTVs5Ud
Woods moved off OC duties but added “run game coordinator”, which is probably what he did already last year.
McGiven is fulltime OC amd QB coach now, while Baldwin only coaches TightEnds (which also has Brian Wozniak involved)
Seems like really light duty for Baldwin again, but maybe he will be in a complimentary OC role again.
Also, GA moved off DL, and Chad is now DL/OLB coach.
GA is strictly head coach now
Is some of this more about titles than actual coaching role and meaning? Reading through these job titles, it almost looks like an attempt to help build and diversify resumes.
What does seem potentially meaningful is Baldwin, who was productive as an OC at CSU, remains at a position coach title, with Phillips apparently addressing “passing game weaknesses” as characterized by Andersen.
I just hope a developing Luton and an improving McM can implement a diverse and balanced offense and OSU can have develop a downfield passing game component.
ObjCritic- I think you nailed it right on the head with building resumes. From my POV, it looks like Andersen helps guys ascend the coaching ladder while at the same time, keeping his core by providing this sort of flexibility. Our “Run Game” coordinator has tangible results to present a school who wants to return to a hard nosed running game. If “Passing Game” coordinator becomes a hit with an aerial assault, a school desiring to make its pass attack sexy picks him up. Meanwhile we have a “coach by committee” that can drift into vacated roles or plug in talented coaches from the pipeline.
You know, this would actually be a fascinating topic for Angry to post his reflections on how this lines up with some business management model or some other tooic for one of his reflective & studious articles.
In fact, I’ll say MAKE IT HAPPEM, ANGRY! At least for a long time reader/ sometimes comment leaver!
Is all of these assistants getting buyouts and if so is that helping our budget?
Of course, another Utah State coach.
Not sure why you’re complaining. GA’s been taking the Utah State Beavers in the right direction. Uh, I mean Oregon State Aggies. Er, Oregon State Beavers. *ahem*
What areas will the new coaches recruit?
Everybody will recruit Utah, Samoa, and JC’s.
And there it is… the first out loud laugh at my desk that draws unwanted attention.
I’d guess Rushing is NorCal, Phillips is Texas.
Good to have the coaching situation settled, hopefully these two will be a net positive to recruiting; their backgrounds seem attractive to many serious recruits.
I kinda liked having Andersen as DL coach and it won’t be easy to gauge the effect of that move.
Noticed that Rushing picked up a masters at BSU ten years after his BA from WSU, maybe not relevant to most recruits but my guess is it says something positive about the man.
Only a little over 6 weeks till practice begins!
Who knew Daniel Green had an older brother who is a Juco 6’7 315 lb Offensive Tackle?
Not me. He looks like he could play too. Would be sweet if we could bring both Green brother into the family.
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/2022088/582bc179dfd8b91ff0a44284
Looks like this guy is a monster… not happy unless he is driving the guy he is blocking to the ground or grandstands.
Oregon’s new RB coach has the twitter handle @coach_pimp
I dont have anything else to add, just thought that was an interesting choice
He’s in charge of recruiting anybody named John.
Very subtle.
Thanks. I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
So it works?
It works for @coach_pimp as he is able to recruit a lot of Johns there.
Holiday Inn Express?
Are you suggesting the name is ironic?
Don’t mean to be nosy or anything like that but the question is did you get laid at the Holiday Inn Express last night? That’s taking into considering the context of this thread……….
No. Uh, business trip. Yeah, that’s the ticket. A business trip.
Are all of our football commits solid? If not who is looking around at other schools?
Looks like my other head coach likes rowing. Please have oars and a skiff in the Willamette in early Sept. for an morning workout. We lost about 350 lbs in the transition.
Minnesota Golden Gophers expected to hire P.J. Fleck to replace Tracy Claeys
ESPN.com · 41 mins ago
There will be boats in the water in the AM on any given day.
Fleck could sit in as a coxswain. He’d be good at it.
And then he’ll come back to Minnesota with a new and brilliant motivational phrase…
Stroke! Stroke! Stroke!
It’s better than Claeys motto, “eat the hotdog”
“Win the buffet”
Now you’re starting to steal Chip Kelly’s mottos
Kelly’s new motto: “Spend all day” Buy-out king of football. I got one way bus fare out of Corvallis. JB
“Ignore the salad bar”
chugga chugga chugga chugga choo choo!
Now everybody, have you heard, if you’re in the games
Then the strokes the word…..
Stroke me, stroke me (stroke, stroke)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=69fPof-ZTnU
See? We even have a song for it.
Hey BG, tell PJ he doesn’t need to be distracted with all that intellectual property and marketing stuff. He can concentrate on signing day and spring ball. We have his back.
Rodents unite!
*except for hockey… go Bemidji!
Holy crap. My BS meter redlined. Fleck is a piece of work. This will be either an epic success or an epic failure of biblical proportions. It’s going to fun for awhile at least. You bastards better get your oars in the water if you want Angrybeavs to be elite.
Does he sound like a flim flam artist?
He makes Tony Robbins seem depressed.
Lol.
Wow, I just watched some of his presser. He’s a lunatic, I thought Harbaugh was nuts, either he’s going to deliver or he’ll be the #1 discount mattress retailer in Minneapolis in 5 years.
In order to be #1, don’t you need to have a constant going out of business sale?
Don’t worry. If he doesn’t deliver, Mexico will do it eventually.
Stand-up philosopher
There’s no art to flim-flam. There is only a lack of shame and spirituality.
… or a density beyond osmium.
Andersen and the Beavs are going to beat Fleck & Minnesota to start off the season. Game will get a lot of media hype. Oregon State has chance to cement itself as a likely Top 25 recruiting school if they can win by close to two TDs and clearly show as the dominant program on national TV.
One game does not a reputation make.
Grantland Rice disagrees with you.
Remember this too: all bad writers are in love with the epic.
They can take our integrity!!!
But they can never have our… TARTAN!!!!!
But one game can a reputation break!
College football games are too long………..I haven’t noticed, but I’m usually multitasking during games so….
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18421234/commissioners-college-football-coaches-seek-shorter-games-record-average-game-2016
It’s not what’s going on on the field. Too many commercial breaks and the reviews by the refs are way the hell too long.
“This review has been brought to you by Cialis. Stick around a little longer, with Cialis”
OT: WBB
If you’re not watching PAC12 Net, you are missing another competitive game. Pivec continues to shine/grow.
34-29 good gals at the half. Gulich with a ticky tak “T”
Big third quarter leads to a commanding 10 pt victory. This team struggles with full court pressure. I was impressed by their rebounding however. Didn’t shoot free throws very well, and missed a couple of gimme’s or this would have been a 15 pt victory. Solid effort.
The women’s team is impressive. Rueck has the gals playing at an already high level and getting meaningful contributions from freshman, Pivec. Cal kept trying to press and OSU would surgically digest it. The only Achilles heel was the free throw shooting.
Saw some interesting trending today on 247, as several of their analysts have switched up their jamire cslvin predictions from nebraska to oregon state this morning.
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Jamire-Calvin-at-Cathedral-138935/CurrentExpertPredictions
Nemec chips in with an echo.
If I’m reading the 247 report right, it seems to be between OSU and Nebraska. Any idea how the new coach effects this?
http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/01/oregon_state_recruiting_could.html#incart_river_index
We must be selling air raid to these guys. And Phillips hire re-enforces that.
Asked Nemec why so many WR. He says they want 2 more in this class. (Reggie Roberson would be my other hope)
What’s the point of the Army All American Bowl?
Never watched it before, but it seems stupid and risky for these players since they’re all already highly recruited.
Right, seems pointless for thr players, other than an accolade for their resume’
Anf we just got calvin!
So they can play the game of put on the hat.
My guess would be, getting a chance to be on national TV. When you are a high school kid that is pretty damn cool. Might be stupid and risky but high school kids don’t really think that far ahead.
Ahhh the thought of beating out the fuskers………. :-)
Yes! Fuck you Mike Riley
Well shit, we came out on top on a hat announcement!
Calvin to OSU!
That is a huge get, a guy that had eliminated the Beavs from consideration not only bring them back in but picking them. Well done Andersen and staff, very impressive.
CALVIN IS A BEAVER!!! OREGON STATE ON THE RISE. RECEIVING CORPS GOING TO BE INTERESTING!
Great start to the day! Hopefully this pushes the class back nrar Top 30. Expect many bowls for Oregon State over Calvin’s time at OSU.
One 4 star recruit does not a bowl team make. Especially if it’s a WR. Now several 4 star linemen would be a big step in the right direction
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Cool deal with Calvin on TV. These kind of things are pretty big for the program. I would think this will get other guys to at least take a second look at OSU offers.
I’m in a bit of a state of disbelief when I think about the other hats that were on the table. Wow. And on national TV at that! Now if they can get some more big guys to join the party….
That was quite the blocked field goal…..or whatever that was.