17.Sep.2017 Bye Week Thread

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So, what are you guys looking for coming out of the bye?

For me it’s basically whether Garrettson can salvage this season. By salvage, at this point I mean simply match last year’s win total. It’s possible (ASU, AZ, OR, Cal are beatable…even Stanford looks worse than usual). Sadly, the only way Luton was coming out of a game was the way he did. Gary was just too tied to him and forcing his will on the QB situation.

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  • Jack Jack says:
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    Coming out of the bye, I’ll be looking for another bye.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    6 official visitors so far (5 football, 1 mbb) There’s also one more east coat linebacker who I think is coming but I’m not sure yet.
    Spencer Petras-QB (verbal commit)
    Case Rogers-RB/WR (verbal comnit)
    Victor Terry-OLB (WSU verbal commit)(Cathedral HS)
    Cameron Thomas-FS/WR (Baton Rouge, LA/Austin, TX)
    Terrance Horne-ATH(Miramar, FL)

    Hoops:
    Aguir Agau-Shooting Guard (Cathedral HS)

    • Beav in DE says:
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      So have we just given up on recruiting linemen? I’m not seeing any buzz about any on either side of the ball.

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        We have one DE/LT who has verbally committed in Koch. There are a few other guys who we’re recruiting. I would assume they end up going the JC route once again to plug some holes to make up for some of the misses in the 2016 class. The JC targets usually become more obvious a little later in the season. Not a great plan, considering we hardly played any of last year’s JC guys yet.

      • Cake says:
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        >So have we just given up on recruiting linemen? I’m not seeing any buzz about any on either side of the ball.

        We brought in 6 linemen last year.

        Clay Cordasco JR
        Justin Sattelmaier SO
        Keli’i Montibon SO
        Onesimus Clarke FR
        Brock Wellsfry FR
        Travis MacKay FR

        And we only have 1 senior. Considering how many other areas of need and how small this class is, I’m not too concerned.

  • Gobeavers92 says:
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    I was blinded by the shiny new toy and was completely wrong. Now the issue is with DG running the offense my guess is he will run much more than Luton (as he should will make our running backs much more effective) but will probably get hurt during the UW or USC game. Now that McM is gone by the time we get to the “winnable” games it will be Conner Blount at QB. All of this equals 1-11.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Blount can hand the ball off as well as anyone else.

      • Gobeavers92 says:
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        He can’t run like DG.

      • JackLuv'sTRUMP JackLuv'sTRUMP says:
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        Can he deadlift as much as you?

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Why are you asking me?

          Dumb question… I mean, completely brilliant from your point of view… but just some of the dumbest stuff on the interwebs.

          It barely beats out the question:

          Can Ted Nugent finish a crossword puzzle before you can do so?

          I feel like you should provide a 15 page click-slide to explain your ignorance.

        • ObjCritic says:
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          https://youtu.be/l_uh8XjgLTE

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I always loved Tommy Shaw’s stuff.

          • ObjCritic says:
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            I was trying to be efficient: You asking JackLuv’sTrump to implicitly take the conversation higher; Ted Nugent, a shitty song/video!

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I actually like Nugent’s first album. I just don’t think he’s a great front man. And I don’t really like his sound without St. Holmes. Those two would clash so nicely.

          • ObjCritic says:
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            I’d be more prone to the Terrible Ted and the Ten Fingers of Doom, than corporate-rock-political-commentary-archer Ted….

            But I don’t listen to any of it anymore…that song popped into my head when I read your exchange above…

  • FatDog says:
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    My prediction is Garrettson will show signs of hope in two close and exciting games with WA and USC then Lutton will be cleared to come back and will start for losses against beatable teams.

  • Dr. Scotty says:
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    I’m afraid he has a classic case of craniorectal inversion. He won’t be cleared to coach for another 4 to 6 years.

    Listen to the doctor, Coach Anderpants. Let me examine you for that while I’m at it…

  • Turd Burglar says:
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    I’m looking to see if Gary pulls his head out of his ass. Biggest waste of OSU money to date. Might as well have kept the old gang around…

    What a joke!

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Old gang would have us in the same boat. Only the verbiage of disbelief from the head coach would change.

      All hat, no cattle.

      • scotty says:
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        At least the old gang was cheaper. Whatever, they bolted at the slightest demand for accountability.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Good point. If we had the old gang, we’d still be wringing our hands about paying way more for a decent coach. So there won’t be as big a sticker shock on the next turnover.

          At least we’re not Nebby, overpaying for the coach we have while also paying another dude not to be their coach. Imagine a bad season for them. What do they do? Pay two guys not to be their coach and find another, more expensive coach? They pay Pelini through 2018. Bikey is contracted through 2020. If they fire him, they could be paying north of $8m next season for coaching.

          Those poor bastards.

    • JockItch JockItch says:
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      Are you real?!?!?!

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    According to Eggers: “But the OSU offense is better with Luton, who is a much more accurate thrower and showed he has good instincts scrambling out of trouble for the first time Saturday. Luton picked up 39 yards on six runs.”

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/372496-256176-luton-injury-latest-blow-to-osu

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      I don’t think we have a real read on DG yet. He was really pummeled in the Minnesota game last year and then was injured much of the year. He did win the Cal game. Since there really isn’t any alternative I’m willing to cast my lot with him. Hopefully he avoids getting hurt.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      I can see his point about not leaving Luton in there. It’s a little hard not to see his point whe the reality is what it is. But it also sets up his take on Aunt Patty, and that one is dead on. I think Leach doesn’t care about the health of his players… never has.

    • steveEbeaver says:
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      Admittingly I didn’t watch much of the latest shitshow but of the 6 or 8 throws that I saw Luton make every one of them was either underthrown or late and the two DG threw were on target. Small sample size I know but I’ll take my chances with DG from here on out.

  • beavers4life beavers4life says:
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    They signed 4 OT in 2015

    Miki Fifita 3*
    Blake Brandel 3*
    Zach Lucas 3*
    JC Transfer Sosaia Tauaho 0*
    Laney College (Oakland, CA)

    If Redshirting these OL, they would be Redshirt Soph. this season and Redshirt Jr. next season. If they get experience and can gel well with the 2017 class, we will have a fairly young offensive line group.

    They signed 0 OL period in 2016

    They signed 5 OT in 2017

    JC Transfer Justin Sattelmaier 3*
    Palomar College (San Marcos, CA)
    Travis Mackay 3*
    Brock Wellsfry 3*
    Onesimus Lutu-Clarke 3*
    JC Transfer Clay Cordasco 2*
    Los Angeles Valley College (Van Nuys, CA)

    If all of these guys, minus JC transfers, are redshirting this season, then they will be Redshirt Soph. next year.

    What this track record of recruiting tells me is Anderson and Co. recruit OL every other year heavily based on need/depth at the position. Different than Riley in that respect where they tried to get a little bit of every position where need is for next season. I could see where he wants to be able to go after talent in RB, WR, CB, S LB, QB every year rather than use up those spots on OL/DL where he’d rather them redshirt their first year into the program. I could see that happening.

    • Beav in DE says:
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      What if it’s a down year on the year you decide to take a big crop? I assumed last year we were so thin at OL that we were trying to add depth with the numbers we took and we would go forward taking a normal number in subsequent years.

      We still look thin to me based on the quality of the guys we brought in last year.

    • angry angry says:
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      MacKay and Wellsfry are going to be really good. Hope they don’t transfer or get injured.

      Sattelmaier looked really awkward on film. Seemed like a reach and a wasted scholarship.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Don’t forget Lutu-Clarke. He has some really nice hands and feet.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Sattlemeier looked like he had concrete ski boots, or was caught in quicksand, or whatever…feet WAY too slow to play OT at D1 and expect to block rushing DEs. Requisite height, weight, arm length? Yes? Footspeed, no.

        Looking forward to Wellsfry run blocking…

    • LA Pine says:
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      We signed Nous Keobounnam in 2016. I think he’s non-scholarship but he’s played in all the games this year.

      We also signed JC transfer Keli’i Montibon this year and he is probably closer to seeing game time than the other JC transfers.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Lavaka was class of 2016

  • ean says:
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    Bitcoin and Ethereum charge fees anytime you move the money. It isn’t a ton but charging a small portion is the incentive for miners to verify the transactions.

    • angry angry says:
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      I didn’t realize that, but it seems they do. It’s much smaller than Paypal’s fee, which is about 8%.

      • ean says:
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        The more money you move the less the percentage is. I believe with both Bitcoin and Eth transactions get independently verified twice. So the small percentage that is taken is the incentive for people to leave their computers on “mining”.

        • angry angry says:
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          Makes sense. I mined some other currencies years ago out of curiosity. All it got me was a larger electric bill. I’m convinced the people mining are doing so plugged into someone else’s electricity.

          • cj cj says:
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            What about this…

            say I want to donate $25 but don’t want to sign up for either of your selections (prefer Paypal)

            Would it be acceptable for me to add the 8% fee to my donation, i.e., $25 x 1.08 = $27 donation?

            Thanks for the consideration

          • Jack Jack says:
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            25=.92(X)

          • angry angry says:
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            CJ, you don’t even have to do that so long as you select “send as a gift” in paypal. The problem is most people don’t know that or always forget to do it. If it’s a gift then they take no fees.

            We expire July of 2018, so there isn’t a huge rush. I thought now was a good/slow time to explain the situation and give people options because I know it will take people a while to sign up and adjust to crypto. So yeah, in short, if you’re concerned about donating to AB due to privacy, go with the cryptos, and if not, Paypal is okay if you “gift” it (I think you have to select “send money to friends and family”). I don’t like posting my paypal email because in the past when I have done it I received a bunch of spam – probably because google crawls the site, etc. Hang on to the $25 until we get closer to July 2018 and check in then to see how we’re doing with fundraising, or send me an email (click contact on the right), and I’ll tell you my Paypal email address on there so Google and the rabid data miners don’t spam me.

          • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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            25 or 6 to 4?

          • Jack Jack says:
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            What if 6 were 9?

          • PdXBeav says:
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            Then 6 wouldn’t have to worry about being 8 by 7 anymore as 7 has already 8 9

  • scotty says:
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    “If you like this post, please consider buying AngryBeavs a cup of coffee:”

    What range of coffee? Folgers instant? Starbucks? Microbatch nitro? That super expensive stuff they get civets to poop out?

    • angry angry says:
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      Starbucks seems like a happy medium, but I’d take some Folgers or the expensive poop type. I don’t even drink coffee, tbh, so you can buy me a bowl of oatmeal instead. That just sounds so boring and un hip.

      We have less than a year to make hosting fees and wanted to try this model. It’s good for all due to low fees and we don’t have to see each other’s financial info. Not sure if anyone will take the five minutes to setup an account, though (and that account will have to be funded via their bank, which takes another 5 minutes).

  • ObjCritic says:
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    What I’m looking for in the bye, signs of:

    recruiting/pursuing legit QB and linemen; and
    changes in OC roles.

    • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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      Don’t like Petras as our QB recruit?

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I do. I think he requires vigilance on part of the staff or poaching may easily occur given the direction of this season.

        Also, if another is not necessary in the same class, but it may be, because its not difficult to imagine him getting poached by a school with a rep for QB development, at least be working on recruits a year behind Petras.

    • wannabeav says:
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      there better be some big developments on the recruiting front and level of competitiveness vs. UW or the decision to move the Colorado State game will look even worse

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    Unlike Porebski, Johnny Hekker really is a weapon
    https://twitter.com/NFL/status/909554498527404032

    • angry angry says:
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      8/13 for 131 yards and 1TD. 121 rating in the NFL. Best Riley QB ever?

      • cj cj says:
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        remember, he was a qb in high school and had some passes as a Beav.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          We were told… every single game.

          I still can’t believe he Steve Saxed whatshisname… Perry? Prince? One of those guys.

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          Hekker, a totally underused weapon by Riley’s “dedicated sp teams coach”!!

          OTOH, maybe GA needs a full time sp teams guy. Porebski’s woes are one thing, but a fair catch at the three??? A touchback on an untimed kick??

  • 3rdgenBeaver says:
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    I’m looking to see if there are any staff changes…. my question for all of you is why we are excited about DG?…. we have went from a qb in Luton who couldn’t compete and wasn’t recruited to DG who if we have all seen can’t compete…. oh yeah and like everyone else in our football program was once a back up at Utah State.

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      I think excited is a bit of an overstatement.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Hopeful is a better term. We know the Luton isn’t working out; can’t be much worse.

        • 3rdgenBeaver says:
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          I realize I’m preaching to the choir but we are being hopeful a back up qb from the mountain west conference led by coaches from the mountain west can win in the PAC 12?….I am with an earlier post in the prediction that we are going to look at the ah shucks days as the good ol days….Let’s just remember it only took Jimmy Anderson a couple years to put a death sentence on the basketball program….and it has lasted more than 20 years…it’s quickly going their in football…. hope the AD keeps this all in mind moving forward

          • marcodg marcodg says:
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            Hopeful is what you are when you no longer have control of the situation and must leave the outcome to the whims of fate. As I said above I don’t think we have a full picture of DG yet. If the Beavs can win a few games and keep a few close to give the current verbals reason to believe then so be it.

            Looking to the future though, I think the most problematic thing going on with this regime is the number of misses on recruits, particularly at QB. I hope (there’s that word again) that Petras or perhaps Dukart is the real deal.

            One overlooked disadvantage of not being as flush with cash as other programs is that OSU can’t really afford to make a mistake. It’s hard to risk investing money when that same money has to go to buy food.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You act as if you’ve never seen a MWC team beat Pac opponents.

            I’ve seen it… a lot.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            FWIW, Baldwin has spent a lot of his career as OC of power 5 teams.

            2001 Cincinnati (OC)
            2002 Baylor (OC/QB)
            2003–2006 Michigan State (OC/TE)
            2007–2008 New Mexico (OC/QB)
            2009 Utah State (OC/WR)
            2010 Utah State (OC/QB)
            2011 Utah State (OC/TE)
            2012 Colorado State (OC/TE)
            2013–2014 Colorado State (OC/QB, interim head coach

    • beavers4life beavers4life says:
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      Running game….you’re eluding to the fact that you think DG will take over passing duties for Luton. If the coaching staff decides to continue the Beav Raid, then we will be far worse off with DG as the QB than Luton, but if we go back to what got us the final 2 wins last season, then we will see us running the ball a lot more. Most likely not 21 straight times, but you never know.

      • marcodg marcodg says:
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        As they already have a DG “package” that appears to be run-based, my thought is that is the direction they will go. DG doesn’t have the gun that Luton has but certainly slants, bubble screens, comebacks, etc. are within his capabilities.

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          The concern that DG doesn’t have a deep ball seems to be a sticking point for people with respect to DG vs Luton. Did Luton have a deep ball though? Maybe one that went to Timmy Hernandez in week 0, but that’s the only successful deep throw I can remember (i missed all of the PSU game)
          In DGs favor, we have a taller receiving corp this year comoared to 2016 and also have Noah Togiai to throw to. He has more targets in the intermediate game, which will at least help stretch the defense enough for short gains on the ground. I think of it like when Canfield played. He was best when he threw short to intermediate, but he also had Quizz at RB to move the ball on the ground. Add to that DGs ability to get 5-10 yards on occasion with his legs, and I think our offense will actually be pretty decent, as long as we keep it to manageable short yardage plays that eat up the clock. This should also help to keep our defense more fresh in the 2nd half. We are not a team that should look for the home run ball when passing. Let Nall be your home run hitter when he breaks tackles and outruns a tired secondary. If you gave the occasional trick play that springs a receiver wide open downfield, go for it, but our receivers just don’t have downfield speed as the team is currently constructed.

          I don’t think DG is anything more than a savvy senior with a limited tool set, who knows the playbook. But that is all we need to make the game competitve against several of our remaining teams.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            It’s not that DG doesn’t have a deep ball. He can huck it and let a receiver run under it every once in a while. All the QBs could do that.

            It’s that he doesn’t (or didn’t) have the arm to hit a deep out with timing. He also had a propensity to throw back shoulder passes to the back of the defender’s shoulders.

            He also needs to learn to hit the deck after he gets three or four yards on a scramble. The feet-first slide has always killed me. I cringe any time a QB does it.

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            That’s why I was thinking the trick play that gets a receiver wide open would be the situation to have him chuck it. At least there would be more room for error if the coverage isn’t ready for a pass, and accuracy wouldn’t be as important.

    • wannabeav says:
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      as Jack noted above, the single best demonstration of QB play in the Andersen era was Garretson vs. Cal. By all accounts, our team strength on offense is the stable of running backs. They aren’t as effective this year as the last half of last year because the scheme we run (read/option) REQUIRES the QB to keep the ball 1/3 to 40% of the time. Luton didn’t keep once in the first two games; and did thrice in the Minnesota game. THE KEY PLAY in the WSU game, the 4th and one, just begged for Luton to fake to Nall and keep the ball for the one yard for a first down, but the WSU defense knew the McTaketh/Luton tendency and put all their emphasis on stopping Nall. Game turned permanently, right there. Eggers waxed eloquently about how that was the right call, and if he meant going for it on 4th down, I agree. The “read” to give it to Nall with two linebackers just aching to pinch in and make the tackle as an awful decision. In sum, the Luton experience provided an equally one-dimensional offense as when Seth was QB two years ago. or maybe marginally better, because although Seth called his own number on the keeper too often, he couldn’t hit the side of barn either

  • ObjCritic says:
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    A lesson for many, including those of us who like Andersen because he appeared different than Riley (though so far, no less mediocre):

    Three And Out

    1. Nebraska athletic director Shawn Eichorst got tired of Bo Pelini yelling at him, so he fired Pelini and hired the nicest coach in college football. Unfortunately, the job isn’t to find the coach who is the most different then the guy you fired. It’s to hire the coach who will win the most games. This is how you end up explaining how your team lost to Northern Illinois at home.

    There’s a video here of the explanation, can’t get the link to post:

    https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/09/17/jim-mcelwain-butch-jones-florida-tennessee

  • Beav in DE says:
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    https://www.hudl.com/video/3/4269390/59b752a4f56ab31288272abb

    Here you all go. Petras’s highlights from his senior season (3 games thus far).

    Looks like a similar skill set to Luton’s with less of the “gun slinger” mentality. Seems to go through his progressions and isn’t forcing things. Not mobile. Lots of slightly underthrown balls indicating he isn’t the most accurate passer.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    Angry: RE: (I now use UOrigin. It’s open source. They don’t sell your data, and it’s faster.)

    Firefox addons has a uBlock Origin am I correct in assuming that that’s what you’re referring to?

    Re bitcoin & crypto currencies in general: During WW2 one of the most highly guarded secrets was the existence of the British code breaking computer called colossus.

    It’s my belief that if quantum computing was possible today it would be the classification equivalent of the colossus. It’s my understanding that a quantum computer could manipulate the block chain and thus destroy the integrity of cryptos.

    It is now public knowledge that quantum computers are now being developed. For example see DWAVE https://www.dwavesys.com/

    It’s also common knowledge that technology in the black world is many, many years ahead of what’s available in the white world.

    The point I’m getting at is play in the crypto currency world (I was until the fork) but keep in mind that it might be in even greater jeopardy than what’s common knowledge (bankers, governments, etc.).

    I think the folks who have it right are the ones who take at least some of their crypto profits off the table and put those profits into PMs, homes, etc.

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    Love that your going block chain / crypto with it! Firm believer in the growth here.

    • angry angry says:
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      Well then, I look forward to that first cup of coffee!

      I’m not sure I’m a believer in crypto. In this case it’s more about users not wanting to donate b/c of privacy, and this side steps that. So it has a valid use here. From my perspective, almost all donations that came via paypal were not done as gifts, so they’d take ~8% off the top. That’s ridiculous. So in this case it’s a win for all to use a crypto. The problem will be most people don’t understand the technology and/or won’t want to spend the 10 minutes setting it up.

  • dwill03 dwill03 says:
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    Luton may have a cannon, but he also makes poor decisions, has bad ball placement and is often times slow to make reads because he’s always focused on the downfield pass. Almost always overlooks the underneath guy that would move the chains hoping to make the big play. Trying to live up to that gunslinger moniker I guess.

    The Air Raid is all about getting the ball out quickly in space, and having great blocking from wide receivers, clipping off 5-7 yards at a time. We aren’t running an BEVAir Raid. We aren’t running a Read Option. We aren’t running a run and shoot. We’re running a half ass combination of everything and it sucks. Major offensive identity crisis going on here.

    Hopefully having DG back there simplifies the offense and we can get back to power running with quick hitting plays to keep the chains moving.

    To win at a small school you need find what you do well, recruit to that strength, perfect it, and then make subtle modifications to keep the opposing coaches on their toes. Having an innovative coaching staff also helps. Thought we really could have changed the game with a 2 QB set starring MM and STG in the back field at the same time. Still think they screwed the pooch on that one.

    Instead we’ve assembled a staff trying to parrot a bunch of things that have worked for other schools, not focusing on any one strength and doing everything poorly. Changing “Identity” every season. Fucking train wreck. I’ve been beating the GA drum since day one, as he says everything I want to hear a coach say. However, now it’s just starting to sound like coach speak bull shit.

    I’m starting to think we don’t have any cerebral coaches on staff. Maybe Baldwin (the diet coke addiction doesn’t support that) but everyone else just seems like football guys. Guys who talk tough, say tough things. Guys who could be good positional coaches, could head coach high school ball, but don’t have the mental capacity for coordinator positions. Reactors instead of planners.

    I think Brennan was one, but he got passed over for nepotism.

    I’m still going to give GA the benefit of the doubt for now, but he needs to step up to the plate. The is spinning out of control quickly…

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    Just saw this nall with 1,729 yards on 273 carries so far in his OSU career:

    https://twitter.com/BeaverFootball

    6!3 YPC.

    Exclamation intentional.

    Huh. Wonder what the offensive emphasis should be?!?

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Slow developing plays, poorly thrown balls, and turnovers?

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Don’t forget the snail’s pace hand-off. Crucial to the modern whatthefuckarewedoing offense.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    The more I sit here and think about the rest of the season, I start to wonder if we should be pulling the redshirt from either Blount or Willard(or both), and using the rest of this wasted season to get those guys some experience?

    As a fan, from a pure watch-ability and entertainment perspective, I’d prefer to see Garretson out there, plus he is the guy who deserves to be playing. But looking to next year, what happens should Jake Luton decide to medically retire? Suddenly, we’re down to having almost zero in game experience(Blount’s limited experience in 2016) to draw from as we enter another new season. It’s almost worse than where we were in 2015. Garretson will be gone, Luton could be gone, and we’d only have Blount/Willard/Petras/Dukart available to start the season.

    In addition, playing Garretson this year means we once again will revert back to our offensive playbook of 2015/2016. Once again, our “identity” will be in flux, because we have been recruiting around the idea that we want a Jake Luton-esque type of QB, but none of our players will be accustomed to playing that style of offense. It will be back to square 1 for the 4th year in a row. Do our current QB recruits start looking around because they don’t like the idea of running an offense that sees Garretson scrambling for yardage on the read option? I could see Petras deciding we’re not a good fit.

    So what to do? Do we concede this will be a losing season and at least use it to develop the young guys, or do we play the best player available(DG) at the expense of next year, with 2 to 3 more wins being our best case scenario in 2017?
    Honestly, I think I want to see what Willard can do in mop up duty in the next few games, and hopefully see him start a few games towards the end of the year. I know, crazy to think that’s where we are.

    • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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      I hear you Nicebeaver but if w go 1-11 this year I think it will really hurt us in other areas… morale and especially recruiting. Recruiting is a huge % of one’s success in the D1 league and after winning 4 games last year with the up tick at the end of the season it helped us recruit. Everyone thought the turn around had come. My fear is as we continue to play bad it will kill us on recruiting sending us down the downhill slide to the dark days of not to long ago.

      • Beav in DE says:
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        Unless something changes drastically, there’s going to be plenty of garbage time to go around this year.

        Is there really any harm in burning Blount’s redshirt? Does anyone think he’s the future of the program? At least we’ll have someone with some experience on the roster.

        I didn’t realize until recently that Willard ran a veer in HS. Seems to me Blount would be more mentally ready for game time, and Willard has a higher ceiling.

  • beavers4life beavers4life says:
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    Per OLive:

    “Luton has thrown four touchdowns and four interceptions in four games, completing 83 of 135 passes (61.5 percent) for 853 yards. He ranks 13th in the conference with a 118.41 quarterback rating and 6.3 yards per attempt.”

    How can Luton be 13th in the conference with 12 teams? Luck-o-the-Beavs?

    • WFO WFO says:
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      More than one qb per team.

    • LA Pine says:
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      I thought Luton played alright vs WSU. I was pissed right off the bat with the all-pass offense the first couple series. But then the running game was working and the play action was working too. If our special teams wasn’t such shit we’d have been in that game a lot longer. I thought the replay booth fucked us on Pierce’s run, I didn’t see his foot get out of bounds and I think we would have scored that drive to make it 7-7.

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        That was the biggest issue for me .. They came out slinging the rock which shows an overall lack of strategic preparation skills from GA. He should have made it clear to Mcpassin that we need to set the tone in this game and run the ball early and often. Instead we go three and out on the first drive with two pass plays and a telegraphed QB run from Garretson?!!!

        Unreal.

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          Getting the ball in SC’s hands is forgivable for the first play. But after the next two I knew I didn’t have enough bourbon.

        • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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          Hanging on to the ball is our only chance to win with this young of a team. And running the ball at the beginning helps us establish ourselves in the opponents mind. It also establishes on our own defenses mind – “holy crap maybe there is a chance we won’t be out there 90% of the game and if we get the ball back maybe they can actually do something with it.”

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            Exactly Bill. Instead we came out trying to Out Raid the Raid masters. Foolishness

      • JockItch JockItch says:
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        Yeah I was surprised they called that back — wasn’t indisputable evidence that he DID touch the line — or very disputable, should have stayed with the call on the field IMO.

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      Probably Hilinsky. Falk has been out significant minutes this year.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    I’m going to go back to the one constant in all our QB issues, our OC.

    Luton’s injury makes me seriously think about the dude. If I run his history in my mind, he seems to have a lot of broken players in his position group.

    It may not have anything to do with the players themselves. He may be putting too much responsibility on them by always putting them in harm’s way. I’m sure it’s not intentional. But his track record is a little dim.

    • helmsley says:
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      How can McGiven possibly be a credible recruiter? Perhaps Andersen doesn’t read the newspaper comments or ab (so he says) but parents and the recruits do. I believe they are going to end up with recruits that nobody else wants and the coaches don’t seem to do very well improving a player’s ability.

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    it’s a sad when you have to seek comfort from the pain of others, but today’s “Unsportsmanlike Conduct” on 1620 The Zone in Omaha today was gold. There was a lot of predictable bitching but here’s the one that shocked me: they are beginning to wonder if they can attract a good coach to Nebraska. Nebraska! One of the top 15 Blue Blood programs in history and only three years into the Riley era they are having doubts of this magnitude. Amazing.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Moron sports talk hosts have repeated this about recruiting so often that it must be getting to them. They simply make mistakes in hiring coaches for one reason or another. One of the biggest issues is that they always look for someone who has connections to the program. They immediately cut out 99% of all candidates.

      Is it any wonder they make strange hires when they venture outside that groupthink?

      There are some good coaches who have Nebby connections. But there are more that are just as good or better. What’s needed there is just a reset. They need to give it someone who has the energy to make over the attitude, not lie prostrate to it.

      We needed one, and we got DE. We needed another, and we got GA. I was hoping that having a new-ish coach and an AD whose name starts with Barn might make for some fun football.

      I guess we’ll see if they ever get it.

      Pay someone enough money, and they can get whomever they want, within reason.

      • Beavers4life Beavers4life says:
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        Let’s look at it this way, if Riley can recruit top talent to Nebraska and load up the roster, then isn’t it safe to say that he won’t leave the cupboard bare for the next coach like he did at Oregon state? Just a thought.

        If GA can manage another 40(won’t with a small class) recruiting class

        • Jack Jack says:
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          You know how I feel about ordinal rankings.

          Your caveat about size just proves that those stupid things are just wrong anyway. There are about a half dozen PSAs at each position which are can’t miss types. Beyond that, anyone who tells you they can rank the great mass of solid football players that make up the rest is just trying to sell you something. If you want to spend your money on it, fine. But don’t try to sell to me something second-hand.

          If you want to talk about measurables, we’re taller, bigger, stronger and faster than we were. But very little of that is translating into good play. I’ve seen teams loaded with highly ranked recruits do the same thing. We’re just the latest.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            ^ this. This team has talent. Not USC talent, but enough talent to complete.

  • angry angry says:
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    Received my first donation in Ethereum. Okay, that was pretty cool.

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    OK, I have to chime in on Garretson here. Obviously he’s our best chance now, and he brings something to the table (quick and GREAT at executing the read option). And maybe he forces the coaches to call a better game and use our roster more effectively.

    However, a lot of you seem be hopeful to the point of delusional when remembering his 2016 performance.

    Here are his overall numbers:
    73/146 (50% completion) for 617 yds, 3 TD/4 INT.

    (Luton’s YTD btw):
    83/135 (61.5% completion) for 853 yds, 4TD /4 INT

    Oh, that Cal game, the “best performance by a QB in the Anderson era”?
    13/24 (54%) for 85 yds, 0 TD / 2 INT.

    Yes, Garretson balled out running the option but the simple fact is he was awful as a passer, even in his best game. I had to check to make sure I wasn’t going crazy, but the stats reflect my memory of Garretson- that his accuracy was atrocious, the worst of any of the motley crew that GA has fielded. He was smart and savvy and made the best of a very limited skill set, and we’re remembering him (too) fondly for it.

    Bottom line: all I’ve got is the hope that his week 1 injury messed up his throwing mechanics for the rest of the season. If we have 2016 Garretson to look forward to, I’m afraid that our offense will become too one-dimensional for the run game to gain much traction.

    For the record, pre-season I thought Luton was interesting, but I thought McM was interesting as well. I thought DG was clearly and obviously the #3. If not handing McM the #2 job is what caused the transfer…then that handling was beyond asinine.

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      Agree, mostly. I thought Luton should have been #3 based on the dumb INTs in camp and GA’s “arm, legs, mind” mantra.

    • alex says:
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      If you want to be hopeful though: Garretson played well vs Minnesota last year (stats back it up) and obviously looked pretty good on his two throws on Saturday. Just gotta cling to “he wasn’t right but now he is”, because last year’s Garretson is not a winning option.

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        You’d hope he’d improve/learn over that year and get better. People saw two good throws and are thinking that’s what happened. Then they’re clinging to his good moments last year. We’ll find out. I’m alright with DG because he can run at least. I like him better than Luton and have all along. To me, depth chart should have been McM, DG, Luton. Instead it was the opposite, and hence we’re bottom feeders with the worst QB play of any team I’ve seen this year. I’d like to know where our QB ranks nationally.

        • alex says:
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          I just don’t see improving/learning being an option. Like you always say, you can’t teach accuracy, and he threw for 50% last year. He was already smart and savvy – those are the traits that get better with experience and a veteran player.

          Pretty simple imo. Either he was hurt last year and it significantly hurt his performance, or else that’s just who he is.

          • angry angry says:
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            I don’t expect him to be more accurate, but I do expect him to make fewer poor decisions, which might result in a higher completion %. I.e. if he doesn’t make a few stupid throws per game that he used to, then that % goes up. It looks like more accuracy on a stat sheet. Plus, he can run and he’s savvy as we all agree.

            All that said, best case they win 3 games with him. He’s not a game changer. But neither was Luton, and DG is closer to a game manager. That’s what this team needs. It will force us to run and play within the framework of the players on our roster rather than GA’s current offense, which is a pipe dream based around imaginary players we don’t have.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Yeah, I think if Garrettson stays healthy he gives the team a punchers chance in a few games. His ability to actually run the read option and the hopefully ensuing change in game plan at least gives some reason for hope.

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            He also failed to win the QB competition against Luton (not that that really
            means anything since JL was handpicked.)

            Spring game QB stats:
            DG: 8-11, 66 yds, 2 TD’s
            MM: 9-14, 126 yds , 1 TD
            JL: 13-21, 118 yds, 1 TD (while recovering from the mystery illness)

            GA’s quote after the scrimmage was “it’s awesome to have 3 QB’s who can manage a game in the PAC-12.”

            DG was also 6-9 for 61 yards and the victim of “dropped passes” in the first fall scrimmage.

            The numbers show a guy with a high completion percentage that just can’t throw a deep ball. Seems to jive with why the coaches went out and got Luton.

        • ReverendBeav says:
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          Luton ranks 67th of 130 QBs who have played at least 20 snaps per game.according to ESPN’s QBR.

          TOTAL QBR: Adjusted Total Quarterback Rating, which values the quarterback on all play types on a 0-100 scale adjusted for the strength of opposing defenses faced.

    • Doozeldorf Doozeldorf says:
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      I’m not sure what justifies “delusional”. Is someone now predicting we’ll make a bowl game with DG at the helm? I think hopefulness you’re sensing simply stems from the likely change to the offense. We watched 3 games with the same schizophrenic offense, say any type of change provides hope for improvement.

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      On that Cal game:

      I didn’t realize he threw it that much. That might be because there were a lot of possessions with some extra tacked on at the end. I’d like to see less passing than that.

      That game was the best because it was manged better than any other. MM had a couple at the end of the year. But those two Ds didn’t touch our RBs until they were well past the LoS. And those games were simply not managed as well as the Cal game.

      DG had the O in a rhythm all game long. He got them set and ran clock when he needed to. He moved with pace here and there. He kept a D who practiced against that style on its heels. And when he made a mistake, he didn’t pout. He just kept playing the game, taking what he was given and moving the chains.

      The announcers were pointing out what I’ve seen from most of the rest of our games. We run tempo to set. But before we have the play called, Wazzu has a couple fat guys saunter off for some subs. Hello? Why are we letting them do this? I know Houston is new to it, but can he and the QB get on the same page about guys who jump offside? Some of those cats leap so far over on their jump that I imagined Luton and Houston had time to look at them and say, “Excuse me. We’re trying to run a play here. Could you please get back to your side of the line so we can do this? Thank you.”

      I mean… come on! It’s not rocket surgery.

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    Fresno pondering if they’re starting the right QB. Lol. This poor guy.

    http://www.fresnobee.com/sports/college/mountain-west/fresno-state/bulldogs-football/article173855961.html

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      Wow, San Jose State put up 42 points in a half against Fresno State….then 20 more in the second half…

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    Is Anderpants ducking the press conference this week?

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    DG in small doses is ok to throw a curve at the D. DG over a few games (if he can stay on the field) will show us why they brought in Luton…..he just can’t make the throws consistently. Against better D’s they’ll stack the box and blitz. Our run will get stuffed. He’ll run around and get killed.

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      Very likely he’ll run around and get killed vs good Ds yeah.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      They brought in Luton who couldn’t make the throws consistently and ran around and got killed.

  • Issaquahbeav says:
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    I watched the hit against Luton again today and still feel Thompson should have been ejected. Beaver fans are so apathetic right now, they aren’t even making a big deal about this. Plus, the media could care less about Beaver football, too, so they don’t care to discuss it. If this was Faulk. Browning or Herbert, there would be a national outcry over the lack of targeting call.

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    Lotta people are saying Willard has been the best QB at practice all season and it hasn’t really been close. Wonder if he gets a shot along with DG? To me his film was outstanding. Even though it took me so long to watch it:

    https://www.hudl.com/video/3/2884576/5888f4540c54453bc4f70eb0

    • Beav in DE says:
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      I like his film and he seems to have good physical tools. He ran a veer in HS and everything said about him (including his own quotes) mentioned him playing in “a few years.”

      Also, I read a lot of stuff about OSU football and haven’t come across anyone who said he was the best QB. I think the only mentions I’ve seen have been that he had a 15 yes TD run in a scrimmage against backups and he “also looked good throwing the football” against backups (the also being a comparison to Luton.)

      Link?

      • Bill says:
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        No to Willard. He’s no where near ready to play. Needs redshirt and then be the backup for a year or two before even thinking about competing for the starting job.

      • alex says:
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        One thing that might help his development is the TMP 7×7 league that he was in. Granted 7 on 7 is a different game, but at least it means he’s had a lot of experience throwing against quality DBs.

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          Relatedly, that could also be a positive for team chemistry and/or recruiting. Could be a factor in landing Crocker.

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      Link?

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      Who are the people saying Willard is the best QB at practices? Practices are closed except for the last 20 minutes open to the media and Willard is with the scout team running the opponents offense.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I know which one he’s talking about. I saw it.

        The Twitter handle @definitelyNotAidanWillardsMom posted it.

        • Beav in DE says:
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          To be fair, if anyone knew about positive buzz around Willard, it would be his mom.

    • youngorst says:
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      Even if he is the best, wasting him at this point in this cluster of a season makes no sense.

      Let him redshirt and compete in the spring and next fall. Its the smart thing to do.

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        Willard is listed at 188 pounds… He’d have a rough time out there against Pac-12 defenses.Just guessing but I assume he could take over in 2019 his RS SO year.

  • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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    OT: For those of you Nike-haters around here, some good news for you all:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/19/surging-adidas-overtakes-jordan-brand-for-no-2-spot-behind-nike-in-u-s-sneaker-sales/

    News like this makes me wish we hadn’t signed that 11 year extension with them.

    • scotty says:
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      11 years? Even Riley thinks that’s too long

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Speak of the devil. He sure is in the news recently.
        https://sports.yahoo.com/forde-yard-dash-hot-seats-starting-melt-ads-go-043831603.html

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          “Riley said he and his staff were re-examining how they prepare for practices and game-planning and that there would be changes, though he wouldn’t elaborate. A former offensive coordinator, Riley said he had thought about but would not take over the play-calling duties from Danny Langsdorf.

          ”I have been around a while, so I’ve seen good times and I’ve seen hard times, and I feel good about that,” Riley said. ”We can do better, we can help these kids, we can play better than that, and that can result in winning.”

          Riley said he has a great support system with his wife, Dee, who attended his news conference.

          ”I have a tremendous home,” he said. ”I think she still likes me. I used to rely on my dog, Rudy, when I got home. I knew Rudy just wanted to go for a walk. He was glad to see me. Rudy’s not around anymore. But Dee is pretty consistent.”

          https://sports.yahoo.com/nebraskas-mike-riley-keeping-cool-pressure-mounts-201419831–ncaaf.html

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            Nothing about his memories of smelling his mom’s apple pie while he played catch with Pops?

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            He brought his wife to the press conference and rambled about his dog? He’s down to his final manipulation techniques. Ramblings of a senile man right there.

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            Neb. AD should have kicked the tires before buying. Swallowed the “more with less” crap the sports press was selling. It was just less.
            Les Miles kid plays for Neb., so now they think he is the solution. Les is less?

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            Still not elaborating, still “thinking about” taking over play calling from “Langs,” then not doing it….

            Sounds like he’s an old Care Bear and he’s just going to care really hard before the next game…

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            Please don’t make me fire Langs, ok I’ll give you Cavanaugh!

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            Asked by The Associated Press on Monday whether he thinks he’s now coaching for his job, Riley said: ”Oh, I always do. But I don’t try to dwell on anything like that because I’ve got so many other people I need to help.” Yup, help your coaches stay on your staff as long as humanly possible to collect a paycheck. He’s the ring leader and the AD is his puppets and the coaches are his puppeteers.

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            Riley is a pathetic man.
            2nd biggest cronie in Nebraska after Buffet.

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      Out of the fire, into the frying pan.

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      I don’t have a problem with us being with Nike I just don’t like that the relationship seems to be OSU is the business and Nike is the customer when it comes to football. The school should be telling Nike what they want (and that should be uniforms like we wore in the 2010 Civil War).

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    This is possibly the weakest speech I’ve ever seen.

    It makes me feel better about the state of OSU football. At least we’re not that weak.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKFiSh7VYAE_BmT?format=jpg

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Now that I’ve looked into it, I’m fully convinced McGiven has been a weak link for more than his career here. I don’t think we can count his first season as an OC. It was at Montana State, where Rob Ash was pretty much his own OC. If you want to count it for whatever reason, go ahead. It only dilutes the truth.

    2013 – 2 QBs played. This would be fair enough. QBs are going to get hurt. Pretty much any school out there is going to average between one and two QBs over time. The goal here is to be closer to one. Where I would show concern is that he took a great college QB and first killed his production then broke him after Baldwin then Wells kept him upright and productive in the two previous years. Whatever. Shit happens. This can be an outlier.

    2014 – It’s not an outlier. McGiven manages to break several QBs. Four QBs play that year, and McGiven gets a prize for creating all his walking wounded… if they’re lucky enough to be walking.

    2015 – 3 QBs note: he was not the OC this year, so it can likely be dropped from consideration if there are any complaints about properly assigning numbers. But he was the QB coach. And was promoted immediately following the season, suggesting extensive involvement in the previous seasons’ debacle.

    2016 – 3 QBs
    2017 – 2 QBs so far

    That’s 2.8 QBs per year on the FBS level, 2.75 if we remove 2015. So much for goals.

    I’ve also looked into GA’s supposed weird handling of QBs over the years, and I don’t see it. Without McGiven, his offenses led by Baldwin, Wells and Ludwig used an average of 1.33 QBs per season. And I would argue that bringing Stave back from injury in 2014 shows GA has healed, not harmed QBs.

    I’ve looked into the McEvoy/Stave situation that Wiscy fan thought was some weird conspiracy like I’ve seen here. It’s a bigger nothing burger than it is here. Stave himself told the public that he wasn’t right. GA historically leaves these decisions up to the doctors and players. If they’re ready, he will play them. I think the confusion with Stave’s rehab was that he and Wiscy fan didn’t understand that there are different classifications of injury. And what kind of pain he was experiencing was affecting his shoulder. They diagnosed it, got him a better rehab schedule and got him back on the field.

    And if you watched him play against tOSU at the end of that year, you would know why they lost 59-0.

    We can argue about the actual production of GA QBs during those spans. Given time, Baldwin found Kennedy and Keaton for USU. Other than that, they’ve all been less than average players in Borel, Stave and McEvoy. Except for Kennedy in 2011, all of them were upright and available for play at the end of each season. I say that not knowing if Kennedy was healthy at the end of the season and just didn’t play because Keaton Wally Pipped him.

    Kevin McGiven as an OC has an average of 1.75 QBs sidelined with injury at the end of every season… if all remains the same to end this year.

    Luton might actually be a decent QB for all we know. It’s not the shiny toy that is the problem. It’s that the big boy playing with the shiny toy has left a path of destruction.

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      Great investigation piece.

      Maybe we can get Cj to email this over to GA for his perusal.

    • alex says:
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      “Luton might actually be a decent QB for all we know. It’s not the shiny toy that is the problem. It’s that the big boy playing with the shiny toy has left a path of destruction.”

      I agree with this. We have not put Luton in a position to succeed. Would be interesting to see what this season would have looked like with the same QB but a more rational game plan and run/pass ratio. For instance…not asking your new QB in his very first start (on the road no less) to throw 47 times.

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    OT – Phil Knight’s 80th BDay Basketaball Tournament:

    “• ITEM: PK 80 — the mega-college basketball tournament scheduled for Portland over Thanksgiving Weekend — has released its schedule of games.

    COMMENT: It’s the tournament being staged in honor of Phil Knight’s 80th birthday — and surely the most impressive non-postseason college basketball event in history.

    The 16 teams are all Nike schools, with traditional powers Duke, North Carolina and Connecticut — three of the last four NCAA champions — leading the way.

    Also in the field are Michigan State, Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Florida, Ohio State, Butler and DePaul, along with Northwest schools Oregon and Gonzaga, both Final Four teams last spring. Completing the bracket are Stanford, Portland and Portland State.

    Games will be held at Moda Center and Memorial Coliseum and televised on ESPN, ESPN2 or ESPNU.

    In first-round round action on Thursday, Nov. 23, the Pilots will take on North Carolina, Oregon will face UConn, and Portland State will vie with Duke. Gonzaga vs. Ohio State will be the day’s feature game.

    Semifinals and consolation play will take place Friday, Nov. 24, with final-round action Sunday. ”

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/371883-255599-riley-gathering-a-tribute-to-solberg-coaching-profession

    This pushes back the CW for a day. Wonder if PK is going to attend the CW this year instead of hanging out with Ohio State as he did last year?

    “…all nike schools.” Bleah.

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      I find it odd that OSU is the only Oregon program not participating. Anyone know if they were offered a slot and declined?

      • Jack Jack says:
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        In-season tourneys only allow one team per conference. This is actually two different tourneys running simultaneously. So you’re not going to see anyone from the same conference play against each other. Stanford gets the nod in the second one because the guy who made a mint on the backs of children went to school there.

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        Can only have 2 Pac-12 teams so it is either Stanford or the Beavers.

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      Would be a bit ironic is Uncle Phil kicked the bucket before his 80th Bday

  • youngorst says:
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    So, it appears that the “changes to be made if team gets blown out” rumors were just that.

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    From olive about Cal – It’s nice that people elsewhere are discovering what those of us in the Pacific Northwest have known for a long time: Beau Baldwin can coach offense.

    I really don’t get why Oregon State is so bloody stagnant. BB is now out of OSU’s league. Forever.

  • angry angry says:
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    So coinbase appears to be quite a racket. They charged a 1.50 fee to move the digital currency to the bank. This on a $10 donation. So it’s down to $8.50. That is worse than paypal. Wow. Paypal is free to transfer to the bank. These digital currencies are like an onion and stink the more layers I peel off. Funny because one of the supposed benefits of BTC was low transaction costs.

    So, I am thinking Paypal is the way to go, but people need to send the donations as a “gift”.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      What?

      Financial institutions want a cut of your money at every turn?

      News to me.

      • angry angry says:
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        A. Paypal doesn’t take a cut for a transfer to a bank account or if the send marks it as a “gift”, as mentioned above.
        B. Not sure coinbase is a legit financial institution?
        C. BTC advocates low transaction fees. Maybe if sending to another wallet, but not true if cashing out.

    • ean says:
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      Coinbase doesn’t charge to move your money into it. It just charges when you change it to LTC, ETH or BTC. GDAX charges like 0.5% though and can link into your Coinbase. Probably not going to beat Paypal or VenMo since they don’t have fees if you use them right.

      • angry angry says:
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        Thanks.
        I was just surprised since a big selling point by pro BTC people is the low transaction fees. They fail to mention the extremely high (15%?!) withdrawal fees.

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          when you get below like $100 in an exchange the fees are really high % wise.

          • angry angry says:
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            Okay.
            I exchanged it out just to see how the process worked, but in the future I’ll leave the funds in there until they’re higher.

    • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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      Venmo is free to receive funds. Not sure how they make their $$ but I send and receive $$ all the time w/o being charged.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Venmo is a PayPal Trojan Horse.

        They don’t charge for debit or checking transactions on lower levels. They do charge 3% on credit processing. But they pay 2.9% to PayPal for all the debit and checking transactions. Venmo gives PayPal a subsidiary that can expand the parent company’s footprint and can run flat or at sustainable losses while they glean the same profit anyway.

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          Duh, totally spaced the CC way to pay. I only have my checking account linked and haven’t ever setup a CC as there’s no need. Thanks Jack.

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    McGiven bumbles through another post practice interview. Sounds like he was impressed by our passing game last week, says we were efficient, but just lacked some “explosive” plays.
    Can’t tell if he’s talking about the same game I watched.

    https://youtu.be/ARKNlzykZJc

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      What a goof ball. All I hear is, “I want to keep my job.” The rest is in one ear and out the other. Scary that guy is making QB decisions. He should have never been promoted and should have been fired game 1.

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      >says we were efficient, but just lacked some “explosive” plays

      As a team, we completed 65% of our passes with zero picks. Luton was at 63%. That is efficient. And at 5.1 yards per attempt for Luton and 5.4 overall, that’s a clear lack of explosive plays.

      How is he wrong?

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        He’s playing in the weeds.

        That’s how.

        The passing game efficiency doesn’t matter when you don’t draw the safeties into the box. They will play deep and wide, aka the edges. If you’re gifted the middle, take the fucking middle of the field.

        After that works, watch the safeties creep in.

        Now pass the ball and see what happens regarding explosive plays.

        Nobody respects our run game despite it being both efficient and having explosive plays. And that includes our OC.

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        63% is not very efficient for dink and diving down the field.

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          >63% is not very efficient for dink and diving down the field.

          And we dinked and dunked down the field because we lacked the explosive play, right?

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    Interesting article by a doc talking about the sample bias and media hype around CTE and the (lack of connection to) football.
    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/im-brain-scientist-let-son-play-football-135727314.html

  • alex says:
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    New plan to maximize our chances of winning this season:

    Get Garretson one of those opaque visors that a lot of NFL guys wear. Then swear the team to secrecy and stick Chuckie Keaton out there in his uniform. They should be about the same size, right? GA finally gets his QB! …again

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      For McGiveth to get him injured for like the 4th time? For old time sakes?

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        “Oh, this does not look good. Garretson has been carted into the locker room after that gruesome knee injury. What’s this? Garretson has emerged from the locker room, walking normally? We’re now being told that it was just a “tweak” and he just needed to “walk it off.”

  • NorCalBeaver NorCalBeaver says:
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    https://youtu.be/0QneeOjX1fk

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      “Nall said he expects the offense to be more versatile with Garretson at the helm, comparing it to last year. OSU’s passing numbers ranked at the bottom of the Pac-12 in 2016, but Nall excelled as the focal point of the run game.”
      Versitle= run based? Like it should have been from the start.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      The Beavers extensively used two-running back sets at Washington State featuring Nall and speedy sophomore Artavis Pierce, often putting Pierce in motion to help open up the middle of the field, or even using him as a slot receiver.

      That package, which was used with Luton at quarterback, could become a staple with Garretson in his place.

      “Those are some of the things maybe you find out as the year goes on,” McGiven said. “We got a pretty good player on the sideline that can impact the game. Maybe we need to do some things to try to get them involved more and get on the field more and create that conflict with the defense of — who’s going to carry the ball?”

      McGiven found out that with his RB stable he could run two-back sets…wow.

      How about some three back sets, maybe with Aydon at TE?

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      The middle third of the schedule is going to require at least 2 QBs…best for Luton to sit out at least that long.

      If Garretson got hurt by Minnesota hits last year and it affected his subsequent play, I expect UW and USC at the least have the athletes on the D line to send him back to the sideline.

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        I hope Blount is getting mentally prepared to play

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          I guess one good thing is that UW has no film to watch for game planning.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I love that we’re talking about Luton like this. He had his head caved in and broke his back. If there were an IR in college football, I would nominate him to be on it.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Dude! Double fault. An Oregonlive link as well as a Danny Moran link? You’re better than that

  • WillieRelease says:
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    Saw Andrew Nemec is having Talanoa Hufanga on his radio show tonight, where he’ll announce his latest updated teams he’s considering for his commitment.
    Not tuning in. Really not looking forward to hearing him cut Oregon State and keep Oregon while Andrew pleasures himself to pictures of Willie Taggart in the background.

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      I think the show is Thursday night. But yeah, Nemec can hardly contain his himself. He is all over thr kid too. Its creepy. Anyone know or think we survive the cut? Its sucks to think a kid in OSU’s backyard could go somewhere else. Great time to screw up GA.

      • Doozeldorf Doozeldorf says:
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        It depends. Does he want to play for a winning team that gets positive national attention, or does he want to play for a team in shambles that no one outside of Oregon cares about (except for our expat Beav fans).

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          He gets to see every week how our consensus top star gets a whopping 15 carries per game. Whatever people say about going to Oregon State because he’ll be the big fish has so little meaning right now. We can barely find a way to get the ball in the hands of our best player.

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            One wonders how Melvin Gordon racked up a zillion yards while GA was at Wisconsin. Oh, wait.

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            He had the equivalent of what we’ve had for QB talent (McEvoy is talented enough to get NFL practice squad sniffs) AND AN OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR WHO UNDERSTOOD THIS.

            In his last two years at USU, he had Robert Turbin then Kerwynn Williams run for over 1500 yards apiece.

            Kevin McGiven, pyhooya.

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            He got sniffs at safety, his correct position that he was switched to when Paul Chryst took over.

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            I knew that. Point is he had talent. He was a capable back-up for Stave because of his athleticism, not his arm. Think SC. That weakness was mitigated by running the ball and having continuity behind center. Play calling was conservative and followed a plan because they had no QB who was going to win a game for them.

            They’re still that way.

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    Before the season, I thought we had a shot, but after seeing 4 games I would totally understand why he’d go somewhere else.
    Some people say Nebraska is where he will land. I don’t buy it, considering Riley is the main draw and he’s in hot seat talk. Why go to Nebraska and then see Riley get fired the next week?
    If I had to guess, a top 3 would include USC, UW, Oregon. Maybe add Alabama just because they’re Alabama. I don’t know how far he plans to trim his list, but those 4 plus Nebraska would be my top 5 guess. If OSU makes the cut, it will just feel like we’re there as a courtesy shoutout.

    • Ryan says:
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      Agreed, I really hope he goes out of state and not too Oregon. I would be sick if he chooses them.

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      Perhaps he wants to help row the boat?

  • Tyner says:
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    Put me in coach!!

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    So for the bye weekend, if you watched another game or games, which would it be?

    For me, TCU at Oklahoma State.

    I’ve often thought TCU/Gary Patterson should be kind of a model for Oregon State because they seem to recruit well (and not based just on “stars”) despite the significant competition around them, use players creatively, and even though they have some down years, they don’t go long between years of meaningful bowl games. Also, they tend to play defense, which is nice if you like that sort of thing….

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      I like to watch Michigan.

      Well, I like to watch Jim Harbaugh and all his different “WTF?” faces.

      Seriously, I might tape SDSU@AFA and flip through that and the three late Pac games.

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        Hmm. Looks like AFA kept it respectable on the road against Michigan. SDSU@ AFA does look like an interesting match up.

        • Ryan says:
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          I saw a tweet during the AFA vs Michigan game that AFA had yet to throw a pass going into the 3rd quarter.

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            Get that game tape to McGiven!

            Should we refer to him as “McLovin” from SuperBad? The officers are played Andersen and Barnes…

            Fogell: I am McLovin!

            Officer Michaels: McLovin?
            Fogell: Yeah.
            Officer Michaels: Great name.
            Officer Slater: It is, it just rolls of the tongue.
            Officer Michaels: ‘Sounds like a sexy hamburger!

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        I encourage Beav fans to watch the Purdue – Michigan game.(1:00 Pacific) Not just because I’m a Boiler, but because they have a chance to win and you can see what a new hire can do to change a program around. Jeff Brohm has them playing totally inspired football. He’s taken basically the same team from last year (which sucked donkey) and turned night into day. He’s playing an offense based on player strengths, and the DC is a complete beast. Coaches are constantly pushing guys to be better. They dominated Missouri, but at the half coach looked somewhat irritated. He wants more from the guys and has convinced them they can be more. They don’t spot the other team 14 point in 6 minutes like they did the last 3 years, they haven’t given up huge chunks with defensive errors, and they play to win.

        Fans are totally excited. If it’s not sold out, it will be close to it. At least monitor the score and tune in near the end if it’s close. If Purdue wins you’ll see a bunch of people go bananas and maybe nutty Jim will have some sort of tantrum.

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      Craig Evans: Fall quarter has begun. Is he officially enrolled? Did he pass his summer school classes? If both questions can be answered yes, has this information been sent along to the the NCAA? If so, how long before they process it?

      If none of the above is happening –

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Whoa!

        He’s in ONID.

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          Interesting question: how much does Evans help our defense? Is he an immediate game changer?

          Obviously our offense has been awful this year, but our D has been terrible in its own right. Major regression from last year. And DL seems to be the weakest link…can Evans change that?

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    Was just reading that a 2 year old girl took a foul ball to the face today along the 1st base line in Yankee Stadium. Sounds like she went to the hospital on a stretcher, but not much info on her current status. Surprised something like this doesn’t happen more frequently.
    Been awhile since I’ve been to Goss. Do we have netting down the baselines?

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      Saw that a 19-year old college football player died after being taken to hospital for a neck injury sustained during a game Saturday.

      Terrible.

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        Where was that?

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            Wow.

            Makes the glossing over of the UO football coaching staff’s mismanagement of off-season conditioning all the more glaring.

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            Wow, I hadn’t heard of any of this till you posted it. Has always been tough for me to support a sport where guys get severe neck/back injuries on a regular basis. This brings it to a whole new level. Suddenly this form of entertainment is no longer entertaining.

            Kent State sounds like they’re in for a major lawsuit, based on the strength coach not being certified. Reminds me of a nearby school. Saw recently on that UOMatters site that HBO Sports is investigating Oregon over that whole strength coach incident, with a recent public records request they’ve sent to the school. Not sure of the timing, but this Kent State incident probably was a catalyst for the show to pursue that story.

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            Is this news just not getting much coverage because the media relies on a large college football fanbase reading their stories to stay alive? Seems like this should be front page news?

            I see CBS sports has it off to the side on their front page, but I didn’t see any mention of players dying on ESPN’s college football page. Instead, they have more important stories like “What’s Wrong with Nebraska; and Can Mike Riley Fix it?” and “Huge Spike in Targeting Penalties Being Called”

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            ESPN has had it up for 9 hours according to my news wire.

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            This kind of thing is bad for ESPN’s business, so I’m sure they aren’t going to draw a lot of attention to it.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            People watch auto racing and get excited when there’s crashes. Drivers, and sometimes spectators, die. Can someone break down the difference?

          • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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            I don’t watch racing. Never found it interesting other than the occasional drag race.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Most people I know who watch racing like it because of the tech stuff and strategy. NASCAR on an oval is mostly boring stuff. But when they go short track or road, it’s pretty fun to watch. Super speedways are boring as shit, but that’s where “the big one” always happens. 1.5 ovals can be fun for the last 50 miles because of fuel strategies and pit intervals.

  • Cali Fan says:
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    I have a good friend and his son is being recruited to OSU in Football. He asked me about the “State of the Program” ….What do I say ? Not sure if I steer him into the shit show.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      If he likes the school and what it can offer, take the free education.

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      Can he coach?

    • Doozeldorf Doozeldorf says:
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      Do you know the state of the program? Just wondering why he asked you. Do you have some inside connection? If not, all outsiders can draw their own conclusions of the state of the program by watching games and reading articles.

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      We’re just a few key pieces from being good

  • Fararararar says:
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    Who did Hufanga list in his top 5?

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      It’s tomorrow. Sounds like it’s going to be top 6. I forgot about Utah earlier. He just had his OV there this past weekend.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        No way he considers us with the season going down the shitter.

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          Perhaps he thinks it would be a laugh to go to Oregon State. He’ll be a star and an NFL prospect wherever he goes and would be even more outstanding at OSU.

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            I don’t think they’d get him either but not because of the losing, I just think he is smart enough to see that Andersen (if he likes him) won’t be there in 3 years.

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    He’s cutting to 5 tomorrow

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    Beavs are -6 turnover margin after 4 games. 8 fumbles and 4 ints. And they haven’t faced the toughest defenses yet.

    Beavs have given up 190 pts in 4 games. And they haven’t faced the best offenses yet.

    In the long sad tradition of OSU scheduling woes, CSU and Minnesota are both on the rise the year that they get to play the Beavs. Minnesota defense has given up 24 points in 3 games, CSU played valiantly against Alabama, and has an experienced offense led by a senior qb.

    Perhaps the Beavs aren’t as bad as they have looked but will end up with the #1 most difficult schedule in all of college football, again. Yet, let’s make sure and keep the Buckeye game next year to continue the humiliation.

    Until the Beavs can win 6 games regularly, they should get out of any games that are strictly body-bag games and only play lower tier bottom feeders from smaller conferences in order to help with confidence and developing a winning tradition within the program again. If the Beavs go to Columbus next year and get destroyed on national tv again, it will be intolerable for Beaver nation and inexcusable for the AD to allow it, and may likely signal the end for GA before next year is even out of the gate.

    This year seems lost already, given the high hopes out of fall camp. Perhaps there is rapid improvement but it looks like too many areas that must improve to make any difference. QB woes, defensive miscues, special teams ineptitude and turnovers that become quick points for the opponent all must change. I don’t see it happening.

    Beavs may beat Arizona, ASU, or Cal, but I don’t see another win beyond 1 of those. 2-10 for year 3 and the gunslinger experiment ends with a team in disarray wondering what happened.

    Tale as old as time, Beavers are the easy win on everyone else’s schedule. Someday it may be different…This cycle kills recruiting until you can get an entire group of Alpha dogs that create the culture of turning it all while they are there, but how to get them?

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      I doubt at this point the Beavers can get out of any already scheduled games… especially with Ohio State who has TV time lined up for the massacre live.

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        You can always get out, just not sure they’d be willing to put the work in to do so. Even though they should. Opening with Ohio State is absurd and honestly if they do let Andersen go (and if they go 1-11 I think they might have too eat that money) the new coach is not gonna like seeing that as the opener. Just terrible scheduling, Oregon State should never be scheduling bodybag games. Its embarrassing.

        If it were at a neutral site or Ohio State were making a return trip you can justify the game, as a road bodybag game it just shows how small time the school thinks the football program is.

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          Yes, they coukld get out of the game if they really wanted to. Make sure you thank Bob DeCorlis for this game. I forget what the payout is for this game.

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          On the flip side, some of these kids have played at some great venues. They can someday tell their kids they played “there” when watching games.

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        Has anyone written Barnes about getting out of it?

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          I thought people here had said before that the Ohio St game was to pay for Craig Robinson’s golden parachute?
          I think we need to take our lumps on this one

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            More like paying for not going after Wagner for cause. CR’s buy-out was just a cost of doing business.

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      This years class is going to be super small due to the youth of our team and limited # of scholarships. I believe I heard we can only take 16 guys.

      If they can find 1 gem at every position (Probably need to take 2 QB’s this class though) and hold onto them it will be a success.

      Anticipate a ranking in the 50’s though…..

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    Re the player who passed away, it got me thinking.

    Theres been a few osu players have been knocked out cold on the field.
    From what I can remember,
    Williams, decoud, Luton.

    Is this systemic or just unlucky?

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    Nebraska has fired their AD. Put another notch in Bike Smiley’s belt!!!

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      Shawn has led Nebraska Athletics in many positive ways, but those efforts have not translated into on-field performance,” Chancellor Ronnie Green said. “Our fans and our student-athletes deserve leadership that drives the highest levels of competitiveness, as well as excellence across all facets of Husker Athletics.”

      • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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        That’s hilarious. He gives Riley a contract extension one week and gets fired the next, as Riley just keeps biking along with a smile on his face. How the hell does Mike do it?

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          He gave him the extension back in January. Nobody was told about it until last week. I think someone found it in an FOIA request.

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      Haha. That AD was terrible, though.
      He hired Riley, then he doubled down and extended him.

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        This was the guy Pelini called a “fucking pussy” in his farewell address to the team.

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          Haha, the best thing ever would be Mike Leach and Bo Pellini on the same team somehow. Now that would be a press conference.

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      Feaux Pellini has a major erection

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      Wow. They gave MR an extension to show recruits that the program and coaching staff is stable. So what does firing the AD say about that stability???

  • Corliss says:
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    State of Nebraska just voted to formally censure Mike Riley.

  • Ryan says:
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    I still think Mike Riley gets fired after this season, just dont see how he will survive now. But, he will be rich. It’s like he is Forest Gump of coaches.

  • angry angry says:
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    I’m scared Riley gets canned next week and people start calling for OSU to replace GA with him. Our fanbase is old and senile. They might buy that “be careful what you wish for” thing…

    GA’s recruits should be ripe to win next year, so Riley would walk into that and get all the credit lol

    • Ryan says:
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      With what money? We can’t even afford to fire and hire a new staff currently.

      • Ryan says:
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        Man, Nebby fans are calling out Mike Riley, saying your next bud.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          I was thinking Simple Jack would have to fire Langskidney at the end of this year, looks like it might be sooner than that. Those fuckers are bloodthirsty.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Let me be the first to say “Mike Riley for OC”

      He’ll still be getting paid by Nebraska so it doesn’t matter what we pay him. Gives him a chance to save face. And he’s actually a pretty good offensive coach. It would give him a chance to do what we were asking him to do for years……make the play calls, not Langsdorf.

      • angry angry says:
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        Too dangerous. If he does well everyone would want him as HC.
        If we fire GA and take Riley back I’m done with OSU forever.

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          He’s getting HC money through 2020. By that time he’ll be ready to retire from the game, if he isn’t already.
          If it were strictly a McGiven replaced by Riley scenario, I would be down for it.
          It’s not a long term plan, but it makes us better in the short term.
          I have less faith in McGiven than I even had for Banker.

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            Stupid is as stupid does. Fuck no. Nice must hate Oregon State because GA isn’t nice like smiley.

        • Angry@angry says:
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          win / win?

          • angry angry says:
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            Typical loser mentality. It’s no surprise you want Riley back. You probably want your HS girlfriend back, too.

      • RanYakumo RanYakumo says:
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        Absolutely no way we should ever hire Mike Riley again. It was hard enough to get rid of him last time, just imagine how hard it’ll be if we welcome him back yet again. Look at what he’s done to Nebraska and their fanbase mentally just three years into his term there. We don’t need that again.

        I’d rather take my chances with any of the other coaches out there.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Not just no.

        Fuck no.

        I’m with angry, if OSU is stupid enough to hire Simple Jack again in any capacity I’m done watching.

    • scotty says:
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      Is it too early for a #NeverRiley campaign?

      • Jack Jack says:
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        To use a colloquialism, why on God’s green earth would anyone in their right mind think that he is eligible for rehire?

        If there is anyone who believes that, it explains 28 years. Hell, the first rehire explains the 28 years.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Gazette Times want ad.
    Looking to rent a 3 BR house close to the OSU campus. Must have a fenced yard for the grandkids and be certified hypoallergenic for the wife. Prefer a built in bike rack and extra storage space in the garage for gum. Must be able to move in on short notice anytime after the Rutgers game, I mean Saturday. Send replies to huskerlegend@corncast.cobb.

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    Huskers should hire Chip Kelly for HC, Mark Helfrich for OC, and Gary Andersen for DC. That combo might win their division.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      They’d be paying 5 Head Coaching salaries(Chip, Pelini, Riley, GA, Helfrich) for 1 HC and 2 coordinators.
      But…..they just might win their division.

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        Look, it’s not that hard, put Tom Osborne’s ass back on the sidelines (prop him up if you need to). It’s the only thing that delusional fan base understands.

  • hopefulaintaplan says:
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    It is a sad to think that it will likely be another decade before Beaver football will maybe return to relevance. By the time we go through firing coordinators and then firing Andersen to getting new coaches that have “their” guys in the system.

    I am about ready to say screw Beaver football right now.

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    Man, this Riley thing has exploded in the media. I was kind of thinking NIU was good, but my frame of reference was from the past, they were a shitty MAC team last year and not picked to do anything this year. This was a bad, bad loss for Bike. I think NU wins against Rutgers, but they look improved over last year. If Smilin’ starts getting blown out by the Big 10 perennials this is going to get real ugly. Bike will need to retire, he ain’t gonna be a Beaver again in this lifetime.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      I think he responded to the Eichorst firing by talking about his Grey Cup.

      I almost feel bad for him. The sunshine pumpers here must have convinced him he was much better than he was.

  • angry angry says:
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    Petras interview up on sedge. He seems cool. When’s the early signing period, December? We need an early early early signing period.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      He didn’t call himself a “gunslinger” did he?

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      I don’t understand the benefit of having an early signing period that’s still after the season. It seems like it would make more sense to let everyone make their commitments before the season so they can move on and focus on their respective seasons.

      What good does a 2 month gap between signing periods do anyone?

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        For schools, it prevents late poaching when coaches don’t have to focus on games anymore. For the prospects, no benefit at all.

        Its good for OSU, less guys will get poached between the CW and signing day.

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        It’s also good for teams without bowls to prepare for. As soon as the regular season is done, they can hit the recruiting trail hard and bring in some wins while their competition is distracted.

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    So why aren’t the Beavs involved in this? Too inept?

    http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170921/ohio-state-and-oklahoma-state-reach-agreement-on-osu-trademark

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      Oregon State already has a deal with Ohio State related to this. Saw something on it at some point. Ohio State and Oregon State already have an agreement, Oregon State can use OSU, Oklahoma State couldn’t. Hence the lawsuit.

      • ReverendBeav says:
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        The agreement requires Oregon State to open the 2018 season in Columbus and a promise to not put up a fight.

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          I say we mount an effort to throw this shit in their face next year.

          Yeah… you stomped us.

          But you’re still amoral shits because you fight in court to trademark a monogram.

          Fuck off, amoral shits.

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      Everything that is wrong with America right there.

      tOSU and oSu reach an agreement to call themselves us… in court… with legalese and all.

      Who the fuck thinks it’s right to trademark something so stupid? I ca see design infractions. But initials? Only POTUS is that litigious for inane reasons.

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        Oh… I forgot about Ralph Laurent and polo.

        That one’s really really really stupid and ethically and morally wrong as well.

  • Gum Chewing Bastard says:
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    Golly, who says I can’t get people fired up? Got plenty of fire, just ask my former boss!

  • alex says:
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    I’d say the national narrative on Riley has changed:

    [Eichorst] was doomed as soon as he hired Riley, now 64, who was already deep in his twilight at Oregon State. Riley offered little other than a smiling foil to Bo Pelini’s perpetual scowl. Eichorst simply gave Riley a retirement cushion, and anyone smart enough to realize Nebraska is flat and the Earth isn’t could have seen this Riley flop coming.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/nebraska-no-longer-top-tier-destination-gig-012351882.html

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      Just think, if Riley had just fired Banker three years ago when Bobby D.asked him instead of pouting, we would probably still be stuck with the Smilin’ One.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Whatever, I’d like to see what that reporter said when NE hired Riley, probably all the same regurgitated bullshit everyone else has always said. Now he acts like he saw it coming.

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        prolly

        angry, is the forum you were on yet come to a consensus you were right?

      • mckalk mckalk says:
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        Yeah, the Husker fan base completely bought into the “Riley does more with less” bullshit narrative and thought with Nebraska’s money and power, he would be a huge success. We screamed from the rooftop that Riley actually could have achieved more at Oregon St. if he had been a better coach and we were scoffed at. FU NU!

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          It’s kind of satisfying….in a way. #tpb

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            I got nothing against NU… except maybe watching a 13-7 halftime deficit turn into something like 60-7 one fall day. They paid us to take Smiley off our hands. If they don’t want to listen, I can kinda understand. Cavalierism is more and more prevalent these days.

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      Can’t remember, did OSU win a decent bowl game after Riley lost the “CW-for-the-roses?” That’s probably the year he should have retired, but I think it really got to him to lose two consecutive opportunities to get to the Rose Bowl.

      The Alamo Bowl year would have been a good year to retire if he’d not relaxed after taking the lead, kept giving the ball to Woods, and gone out with a victory….I still see that DE victimizing the OT, who got no help, and clearly couldn’t stop him…but pass, pass, pass….

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    Another loss for OSU as Hufanga cuts the Beavs will keeping Nebraska and the Ucks. He did cut Alabama, too, so we’re in good company!

    In all honesty, I can’t remember any of the guys we’ve “almost” landed that have done those stupid ceremonies being any good in college.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      Might as well cut Nebraska and UCLA off that list too, as both will be replacing coaches this year

      • Ryan says:
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        I heard USC was his leader. Hope he goes to Nebraska.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Ahhh… the old, “We’ll put your family in an apartment in the same building as the one we buy for you so they can watch you play football… don’t worry… if they ask we’ll blame the black guy,” schtick.

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            You will note that USC did kinda protest the NCAA doing to McNair what they did was wrong. Then they sold him down the river without thinking twice.

            I have no idea whether their boosters were “this” close to being discovered and led the NCAA to their goat, McNair. I would not beieve any conspiracy theories that USC boosters put coaches and players in that kind of position… ever.

            But it sure did stink a bunch.

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    OT: The 5 star kid from Corvallis has picked his top six. Yep, we are not in it at all.

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    My nephew is good friends with Hufanga’s cousin. He says that Hufanga and Cota are “silent” commits for OSU and plan to shock the recruiting world on signing day. Stay tuned! Go Beavs!!

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      I’d believe that Riley will be Alabamas next coach after Saban unexpectedly retires after this season before I believe that nonsense.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      It would be a big time story, and OSU would find a way… sorry… O S U… would find a way to put it together and make them stars.

      But I’m not buying.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        They’re both going to want an XBox in their lockers, and they don’t want to know where the money that paid for said XBox came from.

        And then they’ll probably have the gall to call out NCAA football for unfair labor practices.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I wonder what MLK Jr. would say about that pimple of a death star on a street named after him.

          Or… I don’t wonder because he said a shit ton about it while he lived.
          http://billmoyers.com/story/martin-luther-kings-fight-workers-rights/

          • Jack Jack says:
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            It’s not like shoes made by slave labor are any big thing. How would you like to mould a freedom fighter’s likeness?
            https://thinkprogress.org/mlk-jr-memorial-statue-completed-using-unpaid-chinese-laborers-91e5b427aa7/

          • Ughh says:
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            I think I can get more truth from the crazy homeless guy on the corner than I can from Bill Moyers and think”progress”.org.

            LMAO
            Thanks again Jack.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            It’s the new knee-jerk reaction from the right: look at the URL and if it’s associated with anything even slightly left, you disregard it as fake news. The same person will probably also tell you they “think for themselves” as they all follow the same thought process.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I think I can get more truth from the crazy homeless guy on the corner than I can from Bill Moyers and think”progress”.org.

            Am I allowed to scoff at what you call thinking? Or would that make you bunch of highly sensitive stupids cry?

            I can support all this with many other articles/sources. Bill Moyers is possibly one of the best sources for truth out there. Who else was running a list of the fallen on their channel, let alone taking time out of a weekly show to honor people who honored you. I’ve seen half a dozen names of friends and mates on his show, and I cried every time. You follow the groupthink of a bunch of draft-dodging fuck-faces who peddle drugs, racism and gold.

            You flag-shitting Murikan’ts can go fuck yourself. I have zero time for pretend patriots.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You may continue your two minutes hate now.

  • Calibeav says:
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    Wow Nemec went savage on GA, the entire Beavers staff click and Crew!!

    http://s.oregonlive.com/Cjj8qEG

    He did shout out Beav Recruiting though…

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      So?

    • ObjCritic says:
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      It looked like he enjoyed himself.

      I do find it surprising that OSU has not been able land any of the top in-state recruits thus far.

      I can however understand Hufanga wanting to leave town and see something different. I think a lot of kids feel that way.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      He must read angrybeavs. I see he dropped the big boy pants reference.

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        No road victories, giving up 486 YPG and 47.5 PPG might do that to a guy….

        I wonder if this defense is thus far the worst performing defense since Avezanno?

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          A quick look and the 1983 beavers gave up 456 ypg and a (comparatively) miserly 30.2 PPG….

          Andersen’s pants are down around his ankles…

  • Cal Beavers says:
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    Can we try the Triple Option ?
    We have a stable of running Backs & DG can run a little
    Just a thought…

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Who would you ask to implement it?

      I just want an offense where we actually hand the ball to our backs, and that can’t be done. Why would you think more options would simplify things?

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Great.

        Now I’m imagining a triple option where we take the third option on 70% of our plays.

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      Easy there….McLovin just learned that he could put two backs in there at the same time…you know, just something an OC can learn as the season goes on…

      I’d love to see some three back sets of Nall, Peirce, Johnson…any one could probably motion out to the slot…Johnson could act as a FB on a handoff (gasp!) or circle out as a pass option…

      Get REALLY crazy and take the snap from directly under center….c’mon Gartetson, get your hands up against Houston’s big boy pants!

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    TRENT BRAY will likely soon be looking for a new gig. Room for him in the best college town in the PAC12?

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      If he doesn’t have any state of Utah ties his application will go in the trash bin…

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        Our program must not have had enough Utah ties for Anderpants’ liking, because he sent it straight into the trash can, too!

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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          Is it just me, or do the coaches on our staff with the least Utah ties the coaches who seem to be making the most positive influence on the program right now? Cory Hall and Telly Lockett seem to be 2 of our best recruiters and position coaches. Too early to tell with Phillips and Rushing (although Phillips has turned out to be pretty important to our recruiting in the short time he’s been here)
          Coach Chad has Utah ties but also recruits fairly well for us, so maybe it’s just a skin color thing?
          The white guys are our weakest links

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Baldwin and Woods were only passing through.

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            You might have a point. I was watching The Drive last night on the Pac-12 Network. It was the episode when the Ducks practiced in Florence for the week due to the wildfire smoke. I came away impressed with the new coaching staff and wondered what might happen if the Beavs found a young up and coming black coach to take over. The guys may find a better connection to him. I think it would be worth a shot.

  • Gobeavfan says:
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    Seth as QB in Triple option.

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    Aaron Hernandez diagnosed with stage 3 CTE at age 27 not good news for the NFL or football in general.

    • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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      I wonder when/if they’ll discover that CTE isn’t just related to concussions, but maybe also linked to steroid use?
      Seems that only Pro Wrestlers and Football players ever seem to have these young deaths and fits of rage. Does it affect the boxing world, where the use of steroids is actually pretty closely monitored? I just don’t follow the news very closely, so maybe it does.

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        That’s an interesting point. I think steroids are closely linked to concussions/CTE, if only because it’s making players bigger/stronger/faster, thereby increasing the damage done by tackles and hits.

        I think a serious crackdown on steroids would be a big win for player safety, and that’s not even accounting for other health risks of juicing.

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      We have no clue what the mitigating circumstances are in his case. Assigning that severity to that young a brain suggests factors other than football were involved.

      What is really bad for football is that there are ways to map brain activity with scans over time. And those scans show a marked decrease in brain function in similar sectors for children who play some of these sports.
      https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/09/football-brain-injury-chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy/540459/

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        Lance Armstrong has interviewed several ex-NFL players and always asks about CTE since he has a high school aged son who plays football. In a recent interview with Emmanuel Acho, Acho said that he’d recommend limiting the number of years played and wouldn’t let his son play until high school. If he could get a scholly then play 4 more years and go to school for free while preparing to get a real job.

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    Time for a new thread?

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    At least we are not Rutgers…
    http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/9/22/16349832/rutgers-ncaa-violations-decision

  • Beav2000 says:
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    Not making the top 6 for Hufanga says it all. Top recruits ain’t signing up for this trainwreck.

    Actually, as Nemec pointed out being 0-10 for the top 10 recruits in Oregon for 2018 says it all.

    I’m not sure how Ando pulls outa this downward spiral….if he can’t recruit in his backyard, he’s hosed.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      It doesn’t say anything. Where he goes will say everything.

      Second place is just the first loser.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      If I were that young with that talent, I would go somewhere like Sonoma State or Cal Poly. I would bide my time not getting killed by NFL wannabes and continuing my own training regimen in a beautiful, laid-back place.

      The NFL knows where I am in three years.

    • Beav in DE says:
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      We have a commitment from #11. Does that count for anything?

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Will Scott Frost get to choose the new AD that will hire him?

  • beavers4life beavers4life says:
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    FWIW, I looked up the difference between UW and OSU’s Scholarship roster not including kicker, punter, LS:

    OSU Freshman: 26
    UW Freshman: 28

    OSU Sophomore: 12
    UW Sophomore: 21

    OSU Junior: 23
    UW Junior: 24

    OSU Senior: 9
    UW Senior: 15

    OSU Total Scholarships: 70
    UW Total Scholarships: 88

    According to this, we have 18 Scholarships available to give right now plus the 9 seniors makes 27 to give? Is my math wrong on this? Why are we leaving 11 Scholarships on the table if the NCAA allows for 85 on a roster?

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      Where are you getting the scholarship totals from?
      The team doesn’t make that info readily available. I have a spreadsheet I had put together back in August with what is believed to be the scholarship numbers, and OSU had every slot filled at that time. A couple of guys have since transferred or retired, but they typically re-allocate those open slots to a new JC player or a walk on. We definitely don’t have 11 open spots though.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Fyi, there’s a new thread up to continue this one before it dies

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