26.Oct.2017 Oregon State @ Stanford (Game Thread)

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Go Beavs…

Definitely curious to see more of Hall and whether the improved play vs CO was a fluke.

I’m going Stanford 38-17. Stanford isn’t that great, so we should have a chance if we play a complete game.

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  • Chris
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    Sad to see the fans aren’t quite there. I wish there were a few more tonight. Plus… first

  • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav
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    2 min until kickoff…. 15k or less in stands.

  • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav
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    Student section 3/4 full. Pathetic.

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    Stadium is a about a 1/4 full. Is sad. Team already looks like they don’t want to be here. This will get ugly.

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    Massive delay on tv broadcast. Twitter is several minutes ahead

  • Mammothboner6969
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    I mean… it was better than Hekker’s -4 yard punt.

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    Nobody here, 2016 banner in full effect, horrible stadium. Its embarrassing.

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    They showed junior Benny. WHY

  • bleedorange
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    Man togiai is a huge disappointment this year.

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    Togiai is scared to catch.

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    Landry looking good!

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      Hits hard, but doesn’t seem to wrap up. Probably playing with some major adrenaline tonight. Is this his first start?

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    No pass rush whatsoever.

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    Have we brought more than 4 on any passing down yet?

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver
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    Well….oregon woulf be down by 2 TDs by now. I’ll take a 0-0 tie.
    Too bad Hungala couldn’t hang onto that near pick earlier.

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      I feel this yeam has a hard time making big plays when they have the chsnce.

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    I liked the three man rush there on 3rd down. back up in zone with the eight.

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    Another dropped int that could have saved 3 points. How many is that on the season?

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    Thx for the closeup on the empty stands. Geez

  • Zbeav
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    Yet another game where I’m being harassed by a septuagenarian for daring to stand up and cheer for my team. Same dude from the PSU game…called me a cheerleader! Lack of energy in the stands is sad!

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    Holy shit did we just go under center?

  • beaverkman beaverkman
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    trickeration Fred Luania with the lateral

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    McGiven calling another good game…

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    Who was whining earlier about us looking uninspired or uninterested? Nice call………..your opinion sucks.

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    Outplaying the Furd so far, amazing

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    “David Shaw reminds me of Mr. Potatohead before you add on pieces.”

  • beaverkman beaverkman
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    poor read by Garretson on third and short there

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    The chainsaw is so loud and irritating on TV 🙁

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    Another droppes pick.

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    Our Special teams has no advantage, just trying not to lose yards

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    They r such fuck ups. Might as well have taken a knee. Unbelievable

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    Fuck that guy did he say ‘fun effort’? The beavs are winning despite the turnover ahole

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    It should be a shutout at this point if they got the pick and didn’t fumble.

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    Love the jerseys!!!

  • JockItch JockItch
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    “Love Out vs. Oregon” LOL

    http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21173561

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    *Cue

  • Get Beau
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    Was lazy to run Tyner 3 times in a row and not have Nall, Pierce or Johnson run it on 3rd and a little over a yard with just under 2 minutes remaining. Beavs were near 45 yard line and could have had great chance for a sustained drive to finish the half. That may have been a 10 point swing and Beavs were lucky it turned out only as a 3 point swing the wrong way after fumbling. Getting the ball back in 2nd half team had a chance to make this a highly likely win.

    Now have to come out and outscore Stanford in the 2nd half as well. Nall needs to get amped up and help bring home a W.

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    At least in the PAC championship ad they show Nall embarrassing those two ducks in the CW.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits
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    Nall is going to break a big one soon.

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    Now to watch for adjustments…

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    Wow pierce fucked that up. Get the first.

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    Pass protection sux

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    Anyone else see that Stanford players knee snap in half??

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    Great play call.

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    God damn Tyner is fast

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    Finally got him in open space.

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    Might not be many people there but they sound loud on the TV

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    C’mon d. Dont stsrt this shit

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    Landry Payne has been solid today

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    Chryst sucks!

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    Finally……nice adjustment.

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    Wow a play call from under center…

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    Hicks onu having a good game at nickel.

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    A snap from under center!

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    Fucking togiai again

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    Our TE can’t catch.

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    The refs must have been denied acceptance to stanford.

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    Villy trips himself

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    Beavs getting a lot of calls…weird.

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    WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT

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    God dammit, 52 yd attempt w/The Chukar? So named because of his legs…

    Should have gone quickly on 4th.

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    Thank god for these refs!
    Best refs in CFB.

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    My 2 year old son just literally took a shit on the carpet, right in front of my tv.
    You can blame him if the Beavs suddenly start looking like shit.

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    Furd with the Crapperpants gameplan: sling the ball around despite getting ~5 ypc on the ground

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    Hungalu has to lead the country in dropped INT’s

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    Just moved near Reser, I can hear the chainsaw very well every. single. time.
    Angry would be very angry.

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    Scott Barnes looks unimpressed. .

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    BTW, like the “glossy matte” black helmets…orange jerseys still too much…

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    That wasn’t holding, it was a beautiful tackle by Houston.

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    Flag fest Thursday! On ESPN!

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    And I thought USC played like crap against us! Furd wants to one-up them.

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    Tyners beer belly is running over people!

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    Tyner the truck.

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    I think when a player has a run like Tyner just did, you keep him in…even if you don’t give him the ball

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    They speed that 3rd down play up and Tyner is in the end zone.

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    The Stanford OC is not having a good job interview.

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    We’re trying to chew clock with holding penalties. Genius!

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    Maybe Houston is in love?!? He’s very affectionate tonight…

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    Houston just needs to start using that watermelon sized noggin to block his man, and stop holding.

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    Probski sucks hard

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      His first real bad game. I’d give him a break, he’s good been every game.

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      Wtf? He seems worse tonight than normal, how is that possible? Is Read in the the house?

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      To be fair, it seems like he punted high on purpose and didn’t go for the ‘pins’ inside the 10-5 and made them more directional punts to around the 20. The defense was holding and they didn’t want Stanford to have a chance to break one.

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    This smells like another rough loss.

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      We got a pick coming. To many close calls not to get at least 1 more.

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      Agreed. Defense is wearing down. Refs can only bail them out so much.

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        Defense just spent 7 minutes of game clock and 2 tv timeouts on the side lines. Exactly how is that wearing out?

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        Wouldn’t say wearing down, but you just know they can’t keep Stanford out of the end zone all game.

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      Key bonehead plays:

      * Porebski 6 yard punt giving Furd a FG
      * Fumble on exchange giving Furd a FG
      * Choukair 52 yard FG miss (blame the coaches for that one)
      * Tons of dropped INTs

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        Too many empty backfield calls on non passing downs. U can surprise the d on those downs only if they still believe u might run it.

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    Beavs lookin for a way to lose this one.

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    Need to play the run like they did the first half. Christ sux.

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    Time for the Beavs to inflict pain! 5 min drive needed.

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    Let’s hear some more about Bryce Love…

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      He’s only one of the 85 geniuses on Stanford’s team that spend all their time off the field in community service.

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      It’s unclear, is he not playing?

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    Now would be a good time to come out throwing. Really catch them off guard.

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    Non-beaver on the chainsaw sound: “That noise they keep playing sounds like half South Carolina gamecock scream and half smoker’s hacking cough.”

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    Beavs playing “not to lose”…

    A run with the QB would work here if they have the guts to do it.

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    Need more wildcat here. Can’t get too conservative.

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    Regardless of the outcome of this game the beavs have improved enormously in three weeks. Remember, these guys nearly lost to PSU.
    It is too early to say but we may have our next head coach right in front of us.

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      Addition by subtraction…appropriate for a bi-polar (former) head coach…

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    Villy caught one!

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    Clutch play by Villy

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    Old man Willis!

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    First sack in 4 games against furd.

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    Stanford OC calling it poorly…

    “Whachu talkin’ ‘bout Willis?!?”

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    Now, Beavs only need a 2.5 minute drive!!

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    Need one creative play call here to get a first down.

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    Stanford d should be wearing down but it seems that they r becoming more stout against the run as the game goes on. Love to c osu come out and dominate the line of scrimmage on this drive. Might need some creative run calls. Maybe give it on the fly sweep or something.

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    Awesome call!

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    Hall for HC?

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    Love that call to tyner

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    Baldwin talking with the O on sideline…….again. Relaying stuff from McG? probably.

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    Beautiful call. Set up by all the Nallcat.

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    Unbelievable

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    Nall?

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    Big Man pants time guys!

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    Like i said before the end of the half what a bunch of fuck ups!

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    Had a feeling we’d blow it…played too conservative/tight.

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    For fucks sake

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    Man Nall is a huge disappointment this year imo.

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    The fucking fumble before the half is going to cost us the game.

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    If they lose this, Hall will have one tough job keeping the team from completely tanking.

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    Fml

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    Bs call on two point conversion. You can’t block a guy out like its a rebound.

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    This poor team just can’t get out of its own way.

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    The wrecking Nall wrecked our chance at the upset.

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      I thought that was a great play by the defender. The real problem on that play is that the running plays are set up so that the runner has to wait to see what develops. He’s standing and waiting. If they would just snap the ball under center and go hard off tackle that wouldn’t have happened.

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        The real problem is he didn’t have two hands on the ball.

        It seems there’s been a failure to teach players circumstance. Like in that situation you protect first, get yardage second…Nall seemed to be lunging for more yards…stupid.

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          He was using his left arm to pick through traffic instead of protecting the ball. You have play to the situation. He didn’t.

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          Perhaps. Sometimes the obvious stuff is the stuff we forget.

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    Offensive evry time. Thats impossible to stop if they’re not going to call it.

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    Reverse on kickoff? Idk if we can throw the ball downfiled.

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    Which is worse? The heartbreaking blowout losses under Crapperpants, or the heartbreaking close losses under Hall?

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    Beaver football in a nutshell.

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      Yep.

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      ^^^This. I feel like I’ve watched that same game a hundred times as a Beaver. When will the curse end?

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        Yep, which is why I knew it was over.
        I actually knew it was over when we went conservative on offense, trying not to lose instead of trying to win. But we almost got away with that…

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          I thought the same thing. It was odd to watch a team with nothing to lose play like they were in a NFL playoff game. I guess Hall felt a win was needed for team moral, but in the end it ended up costing them the game.

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            Precisely.

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            Sorry but the strategy didn’t cost them the game, the best player fumbling cost them the game.

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    Somebody is going to hire Hall. Just sayin’.

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      Yep, he will be coaching DB’s somewhere next year. Hopefully, at Oregon State.

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    Blow outs aren’t heartbreaking unless the spread is 30 in your favor.

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    That was so much more painful i feel. If they would have won i think they win out and hall is a real candidate. Now i feel its going to be hard to keep these guys motivated after such a demorilizing loss.

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    Good game. Nall chose a bad time to screw the pooch.

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    Hate to say it but that just zapped what little emotional investment I had into the Beavers this season. See you all next fall.

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    Honestly, even if we won, it would’ve been more Stanford losing than us winning. Atrocious playcalling by Stanford and plenty of mistakes by them.

    Are there any serious winnable games left on our schedule? Maybe UO?

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    This is entertainment in the end….gotta love the never say quit in this team. FUCK!!!!

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    We better get our shit together before all we can sell a coach and recruit is “we’re P5″…being P5 means less and less each year.

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    FML! They had the game won. Then luck o de Beavs rears its ugly head. I’m going to say, even with the loss Hall needs to be our HC. If we don’t someone else will take him.

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      I like him, but if his MO is to go NFL style every time he has the lead, he’s going to suffer a lot of heartbreaking losses in college football. And what the fuck is with GA recruiting a kicker whose range is 48 fucking yards???? Another reason why Bat Shit Crazy needed to leave anyway.

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        That was his style tonight vs. Stanford and it was the right style. Sometimes conservative is correct. Tonight was one of those times, its not bad coaching to put the ball in your best players hands and salt away a game. Hall didn’t fumble and they almost certainly win even if they have to punt late there.

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          I think there was room in the second half for more creative play calling. They get 3 or 7 more points and they win. In college football you have to think points.

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            Normally I would agree but to me salting away the game plays to the strength of this roster.

            Frankly I think Hall’s biggest error was not punting when he attempted that 52 yard FG, he should have been even more conservative and who knows maybe they get better field position and end up with more points out of the conservative call.

            This roster screams bleed the clock, shorten the game, and try to win the TOP and field position battler. The problem with that strategy is that you can’t turn the ball over.

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            There were Beaver receivers open, DG is a very limited QB. I don’t mind conservative, but there were some opportunities to do a little more than mesh right over and over again. You’re right, the FG call was pointless, Choukair apparently doesn’t have the leg!

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            And the fact that DG is so limited is why I think Hall was correct to go conservative. I think if Hall had a better QB we might not see him go so conservative but that isn’t the hand he was dealt when GA quit.

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            McGiven has no plays that compensate for Houston getting killed by #66.

            I thought you watched the game/

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    The positive:

    I believe how this team responds to this game under Hall will give us a clear idea of rather or not Hall is the right guy for the job. Had they won this game and a few more it would have almost become an inevitable hire but now we will get to see if his style can get the kids to respond to extreme adversity. The best player just choked away a game, better teams have folded after such a game. If they come out and stay competitive and win a few games down the stretch than I’ll be sold on Hall. If they fold its easy to move on from Hall.

    As for the idea that he got too conservative late, I disagree with that. Conservative was the correct call in with this roster, at home, in this situation. He put the ball in his best players hands and that player failed to make the play. That doesn’t make the strategy unsound.

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      One more point, the team has virtually nothing left to play for now that they have reached 7 losses so folding would be quite easy. I look forward to seeing if Hall can get them to respond and rather Nall has the mental toughness to come back from this.

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      I don’t know. I want to see the entire season before making a final judgement. Some of this is telling me more about how shitty of a coach GA was than how great of a coach Hall is.

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      Regarding conservative, it was much earlier than the Nall fumble. Pretty much all of the 4th Q.

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        And the strategy works if Nall doesn’t fumble. You should be able to count on your best player to not make that mistake.

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    TBH, I think Stanford was looking ahead to Washington State. They played like it.

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      I had the same thought. They looked awful. I don’t care how many times we were reminded about Love.

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      Sure, that is how they started. But, the score at halftime changed that and they still weren’t able to dominate the way a #20 team should.
      Stanford blogger is always a good read; but he sure was overconfident tonight!

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    Better get Hall while we can

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    I watched while texting a friend and also my cousin. With a little over 6 minutes left you could see the Beaver let down. I told them both the Beavs would fuck around and lose the game…

    This is almost worse that getting blown out!

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    Another thing on GA and his fucking recruiting…….the team has a punter who can’t punt 40 yards, a FG who can’t kick 50 and a QB who can’t throw 50. There are high school teams who have players that can do that daily! WTF?

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      Haha. I can’t believe the punter is so crappy. The only reason he gets yardage is if the ball hits the ground and we get a favorable roll. He sucks. Rugby style punting sucks.
      Andersen thought he would be a weapon this year? He was…….for Stanford.

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      Not to defend GA but how many college teams really have a kicker that is consistent from over 50? I think that is more rare than you are claiming. Lots of college teams have kicker issues.

      I think ideally at the college level you have someone that is a virtual lock from 45 and closer and maybe another guy with a big leg that can make a little more than half of the kicks over 50.

      Not saying OSU has that but that is my expectation at the college level.

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        I think most have the range, but accuracy is the big thing. I think Choukair was a 4 star recruit also.

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        There are 125 punters in d1 that have a better average then him. Including QBs. And he’s tied for 89th in longest kick.

        Side note, MCM has a 28 yard punting average, apparently he punted once for fresno.

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    I would say wasting 2 time outs was problematic as well but I am not convinced Hall would have been the rare coach that actually calls defensive time outs with a lead when the other team is in the red zone. Even though you always should in my opinion.

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      He tried on the TD but he was too late in getting the refs attention.

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    Fuck me to tears! I would rather the Beavs got blown out by 30 than to watch them fumble away the win. All they had to do was take 2 and force Stanford to use their remaining timeouts and then put….force Stanford to go 75-80 yards with about 2 minutes left w/out any timeouts. Wrap the fucking ball up with two fucking arms and hands..we gifted Stanford a win. Nall is going to feel the sting of this loss for quite sometime although I think the Beavs got way too conservative in the fourth quarter trying to milk the clock….Beavs should be at least 3-5 now instead of 1-7. Fuck me to tears!

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    Being a Beaver fan is like getting really stoned and watching a sci-fi movie.

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      Disagree….getting really stoned would be a lot more fun….especially after watching that epic choke job.

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    Anyone saying I’d knew they’d lose mid fourth quarter is full of shit.

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      Give me a laxative.

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      I would say that I was anxious that something bad would happen and it did. Being a Beaver fan has taught me that paranoia well. Is it paranoia if it actually keeps happening?

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      I knew they’d lose when Nall fumbled, even on the 4th and 10 I knew Stanford would win. But no, I didn’t know they’d lose prior to that. I didn’t even think they needed to get the first down to win, just get Stanford to burn their time outs and punt the ball would have been enough in my opinion.

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      NiceBeaver’s two year old knew it, and we know he is not full of shit, because it’s all on the carpet.

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    This team played liked it knew it could compete, but it also played like it didn’t believe it could win. Failed to make plays all over the place. Dropped 6 picks, one that would have been returned for a TD. Gave Stanford all its points on giveaways. They should have had another field goal but the Stanford missed it. It was too conservative in the end playing to hang on and not forcing the issue ultimately put all the pressure on themselves.

    They had great game plan on both sides of the ball, and the backup DB’s looked great and played better then some of the starters earlier in the season. The first half they went for broke, but once they realized they could actually win they didn’t believe in themselves and went into a conservative shell. They really needed points on their last drive but couldn’t even get in field goal position.

    But this is the team I think many of us thought we would see all year. It looked much more cohesive, maybe that was coming off the bye week, because they looked very prepared. That can’t be said for early in the season.

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      It’s kind of interesting if Hall was an experienced HC we would all be bitching about how do you lose a game when you out gain the opposition by 200 yards and how do you lose a game when you hold the opposition to 230 yards of offense? The last two games were ripe for the picking.

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        I think you can argue Hall’s role in the loss vs. Colorado more than tonight. Tonight it is obvious how you lost and I wouldn’t put it on any HC even an experienced one (at least not the in game management, I might be critical of the roster construction).

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          After two games, my opinion of his tactics are that he coaches more like NFL coach and it’s burned him a little twice now. Appears to be a great motivator. Time will tell how it all shakes out.

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      Now the team has a bit more than a week to prepare for their first road game under Hall. And more than a week to absorb his approach.
      I like this team for at least two more wins this season. We’ll see if Hall can, as I expect, keep the focus and enthusiasm at a high level.

      Oh, and what does tonights TV appearance do for Hall and the program?

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    Beavs had better discipline than furd, don’t recall any penalties due to out of control emotion by the Beavs. Furd had at least one on the Noah T. catch, there may have been others as well.

    Credit Hall for that, and for the play involving Fred L with the ball. You know linemen gotta love that and the coach who called it.

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      I think Wilson (or was it Moore) had an Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty in the second half because he shoved a guy in the face after play was over.

      Other than that, not much else in the way of penalties, especially compared to Stanford.

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        Thanks, I stand corrected. Forgot about that shove.

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        It was true frosh #22 Dunn, got his ass tore up by Bobo vs CU previously, not a good look, but he’s young..

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    To me, this game showed just how mediocre the Pac 12 Conference is this year…..some good teams but none deserved to be ranked in the top 10. The conference is just not very good.

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    The Beavs Coug’d it.

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    I really wonder if there’s more to the story with GA, this team appears to have at least average P-12 talent except at QB. Was GA a mad man who had mindfucked everyone associated with the team? Even McGiven and Clune look better.

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      DG has played pretty damned good IMO in his only 2 starts of the season. He’s not going to beat you with a 50 yard bomb, but he’s got an arm that is pretty accurate up 35-40 yards. I think they should have thrown the ball a few more times in the 4th and played way too conservatively late in the game. DG is just a little less talented than MM IMO but both DG and MM are much better than Luton.

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        I’m not saying that DG is not serviceable for certain situations, but I think the position needs a big upgrade in the near future and it’s not Luton either.

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        I disagree that DG is better than Luton. The game plan with DG was significantly better than with Luton. DG had happy feet the few times we threw the ball. I feel if Luton would habe handed tyre ball of more he would have looked better also.

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      If you haven’t already, you may enjoy reading the article from the SanFran paper which was linked on the last thread. A little on GA from Jim Wilson. And more.

      http://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/article/Beavers-Gary-Andersen-was-mad-as-hell-and-12306675.php

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        Good read, I like Jim Wilson. Interesting though, all of the assistants who were “in fighting” are still there. Has Hall been able to get them to make peace?

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      I think its becoming obvious that GA was the problem. We may never know exactly why but its becoming clear that he was the biggest issue.

      That said, even if Hall gets the job I think I’d like to see changes on the staff.

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      If we had Hall and McM since game 1 we would probably have 4 wins.

      Luke Falk/WSU 2016 was the end of Gary Andersen, mentally. He went nuts over that system.

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        jax in 3,2,1…

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          I can’t leave you hanging. I mean, your whole self-worth is based on me.

          So here you go.

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        Agreed but I don’t think DG talent is significantly less than MM. I would like to see the O Coord take more shots in the 30-35 yard range….DG has the arm to connect on those passed.

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    Beavs know how to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory….yikes! Feel bad for the team as they played their hearts out but just a few mistakes cost them another win where they out played the opposition. This team is certainly learning how to deal with disappointment and adversity….let’s hope their fortunes change over the last 4 games. At a minimum, I want to see the Beavs go into Autzen with the Ducks needing a win to be bowl eligible and knock them off. I think that would certainly take some sting out of such a bad season. Lastly, I just wonder what this team’s record would be had Hall been the coach rather than GA for the entire season.

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    I’m still confused by the Nall fumble. With 2 minutes left, why doesn’t he have two hands on the ball making security is top priority? Is that lack of coaching, or is that Nall just being greedy and wanting yards? If he had two hands on the ball and the Stanford guy made a great play ripping it out, that’s a lot easier to swallow and understand.

    It points to a lack of discipline and fundamentals. Player has to be coached to understand that situation. If Nall is greedy and can’t do that, put in a RB who does do it. If you look at the great teams who have poor talent (e.g. Boise State, et al) they always have extraordinary discipline and fundamentals.

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      While I somewhat agree I also think Nall should know that without the need for lots of coaching there. I think its more likely the greed angle than a lack of coaching.

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      I think Stanford busted that running play; Nall wasn’t ready or expecting the middle to collapse so early.

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    The one final thought on the conservative play calling. Hall has a defensive background; conservative generally comes with the territory with guys with defensive backgrounds. I’m not a huge fan of it in general and its something to think about when you consider Hall for the job but either way it was the right call tonight in my opinion.

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      Is it fair to say that the playcalling is limited by the abilities of the QB? I’m not sure how aggressive you can be with DG’s arm and ultimately it was ball security that cost them.

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        Yes, I mentioned that above. Its absolutely fair but I think its also likely that we may find that Hall’s background means he may be conservative regardless of who his QB is. We don’t know but many defensive minded coaches are conservative on offense.

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          Well, I was impressed as hell by the defense tonight. They need better hands though! Defense played decently against Colorado until the 4th quarter also. In the college game, Hall will need to score points. Tonight reminded me of a NFL game except for the crappy kicking!

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          The strategy works if special teams works. The L is as much on that phase as any other part.

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            Conservative does not work as well when your punter averages 30 yards.

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            28.6 tonight. Which is about a standard deviation worst than the worst teams avg this season.

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    Nall had a bad play, game was won but that fumble… that’s life though, next game

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      The game was lost on the fumble at the end of the second quarter! That one’s on DG.

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    Regarding conservative play calling…seems people are confused by it. McKalk said it best above where the Beavs suddenly tightened up when they were in the game late. That’s a better way to put it. They still called some passes and good plays, but you could tell they were tight. I didn’t have any problem with the Nall run, but I had a problem with trying to run the clock out in the late 3rd Q and early 4th Q when you need more points there. To me, that’s playing “not to lose” and tight. When I saw them tighten up I realized we weren’t going to score again (need a two score lead in order to milk clock as early as they were trying). It just became obvious by the 9 minute mark in the 4th Stanford would win with that approach. Sure, we almost pulled it off, but we didn’t. And all that time we milked off the clock came back to hurt. Can’t milk clock that early unless you’re up 2+ scores.

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    Anyone have a link to the Hall press conference?

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    https://youtu.be/We2C_9RGpWY

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      A lot of backhanded jabs at Andersen…

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        Rightfully so.

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        Just a few….liked his response to the question on the team’s attitude “changing.”

        “Not changing. CHANGED. MY mentality. A team takes on the identity of their coach. I’m not one to be pushed around.”

        Course Andersen had personalities…but that’s quibbling…

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        Yup.

        Told him that I missed him, and if he would be around… you know… love to sit around and talk to him. So, um, that’s been the communication. I’m pretty sure I’ll be talking to him after this.

        Daaaaaamn! Boom goes the dynamite! Slam city bay-bee!!!

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    I know it’s been 0-2 since he left, but I’m becoming convinced Big Boy Crapperpants was the problem. Team doesn’t completely unravel in the second half anymore. Coordinators look like they’re decent. Games are close to wins.

    For shame, Big Boy, for shame.

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      Get real.

      You were convinced of this as soon as Bike Smiley ditched us for a second time.

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        Wait, I thought Bike was coming back AND building a airport? First flight will be one way direct from Lincoln to Corvallis! His bike will be waiting with a stick of gum for him in valet parking. He can ride around Corvallis with that demented smile on his face as much as he fucking wants as long as he never coaches again!

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    Stanford played a horrible game and OSI still lost. Their QB was off most of the game and team is not even 1/2 of what they are with Bryce. Tyner was best OSU player of 2nd half but in general team clammed up offensively.

    OSU won’t win more than 1 more the rest of the way. Could be the Civil War. Fans need to realize that Colorado is down and this was a bad version of Stanford with no Bryce. Beavs found ways to lose both at home and there are multiple coaches out there who would have won at least one if not both those games by closing half decently. Team folded in both games during clutch part of 4th quarter.

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    Most games boil down to turnovers and this one was no exception. Did everyone hear that stat about 20% of Beaver drives have ended in turnovers this year. That an amazingly bad metric!

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    I wonder if Hall is going to burn out quickly with these heart-breaking loses. GA had high energy when he started and left with energy somewhere between Riley and the grim reaper.

    OSU football is like a horror movie. Some sad sack gets whacked with an axe a few times, doesn’t die, tries to escape, and the killer comes back for a final death blow. House of horror where coaches go to die.

    On the plus side, we’re not as far off as GA made it seem.

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      Didja notice in the presser that Hall said “these young guys” will get better? Not sure if he said “boys” once, but I could be wrong on that.

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      I don’t think so, he’s an NFL guy

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    Who the hell calls constant zone runs against a D who obviously has the right slant against your stale calls?

    If we just run power in the fourth, we win this game. But no. Some moron doesn’t know what the hell that is.

    On the bright side, it was nice not to see all the quitters who didn’t show up for this game. They can continue to stay home… until the fall of 2016, I guess.

    McGiven has to go. That was a pathetic game. The D was actually decent. I don’t know where that came from. We actually had players shooting gaps, not making tackles but changing the play just by busting what was in front of the runner. Junior Seau used to do that a lot. Toss sweeps would turn into impromptu cut backs for a loss because he would just launch himself through the right gaps.

    But McGiven’s O is so fucking constipated. We have the personnel to run power, especially if we jumbo the right side. Why are we not going conservative?

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    Oh… reading all your comments, it looks like you guys thought that was conservative.

    If MM didn’t transfer, we would have lost that game by 40.

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      That wasn’t conservative. It looked consevative because the D was keyed on Nall and flying to him every play he was involved in, which made the run game look like 3 yrds and a cloud of dust between the tackles and rest of the O mildly successful. If they played a straight up balanced D Nall would have had more room to run but nothing else would have worked least of all any passing game.

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        ^^^this^^^

        Stick a lead blocker in front of him, and take an extra yard or two instead of hoping Houston manages to get a solid front on someone… and hoping Nall can just make a move in the hole to beat the fill.

        That’s conservative.

        Just so dumb!

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          Just go to a pro style variant next year if Hall is the coach. You have the running backs, find a good little fullback. Have Nall hit the line with a head of steam. Play action on first down now and then to take advantage of Hodgins and Bradford. Let Hall continue coaching up the defense. Win some 24-14 type games.

          I also read where Tyner has not discounted applying for a medical redshirt.

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            Nall’s been a bit injury prone, not as much this year as last.

            But depending on the coaching change, his NFL chances might be best if he works out hard, has a good combine, and points to his YPC and relative lack of mileage…apparently many projecting him as a FB in NFL and he wants to change that mindset and play RB.

            “Old Man Tyner” potentially coming back is surprising and interesting. He’s due for breaking a long run or runs in the remaining games.

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            Under what grounds would Tyner be eligible for that? That would be awesome if he did. I like him…good attitude, and fast as a cheetah even with the beer gut.

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            Tyner really looked like he was getting comfortable out there last night. Love watching that guy play.

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            I guess Tyner has missed so much time with injuries he could apply for that 6th year. The article I read said he was on target to graduate. The article also mentioned Tyner coming in at 240lbs and still needs to get down to 215.

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            That would be sweet. He likes the beer too much to hit 215 these days. The dude is like 30 and enjoying adulthood (i.e. reaching into the cookie jar or filling a stein when he feels like it).

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    These guys seem to have Hall’s attitude:

    https://youtu.be/M88k3bWQi78

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    Watched game up close. No enough offense. Worries me about Coach Hall. Not sure we ever consistently score enough to get to 6 wins in seasons.

    Keep Hall on staff as DC where he can have a D with his attitude but bring in an offensive head coach to score points and do enough as an entire team to win. Perhaps Beau Baldwin as head coach, that Best guy from EWU as offensive coordinator and Hall as DC where he can motivate the defense.

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      Except that Beau has equal or better personnel and a worse O.

      Besides, his O at EWU was to rely on a scrambling QB who made great plays when it all broke down.

      No thanks. Homie don’t play that game… without having four or five QBs on the roster who are capable of playing.

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    So there was a lot of redshirt reps and prep for a “scout bowl?” There are some interesting red shirt players….

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    This one’s on McGiven and the offensive line. 3.4 yards per carry against a weak front seven who ranks 107 against the run. Terrible pass protection where even 3 man rushes are getting easy penetration

    Hats off to DG for being the best version of DG the last two games. He has a low ceiling, but he’s been bumping up against it since becoming the starter.

    Our defense got bailed out by the worst QB performance we’ll see all year. That negates our biggest weakness, which was the massive inexperience in our depleted secondary. Hats off to the front seven for holding Stanford to 3 yards per carry.

    It was a moot point, but our clock management in the last :20 was as good as could be and as good as we’ve seen in at least 15 years.

    I love coach Hall’s energy, but this program needs a new coach with a winning mentality.

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      Credit our D a little more. They were constantly in Chryst’s lanes, and that threw him a count behind on all but a handful of passes.

      He finally just hucked one that we had covered underneath on 4th and 10. I still don’t know how Omar missed that one.

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    Woke up pissed off. What a fuck up. They had the game in the bag, but bad teams find a way to lose.

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      Agree, and Shaw being so smug makes it worse. Really can’t wait for Stanford to go in the crapper again. They look so slow, white, and nonathletic by the eye test, yet they win. It’s annoying.

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        Its the BYU effect, the guys play slow but are mature. Stanford guys are just a lot smarter than most, and make-up for lack-of maturity — although last night they had a lot of dumb penalties.

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          Their D was fast. I thought we’d get some relief with Alfieri gone, but they just kept coming. I think that measure of undisciplined play that should have cost them the game just because of lost clock threw our O into the crapper. We didn’t do anything without help for the last 27 minutes of the game… except for one drive that ended when holding was called.

          Houston got away with a couple big time holds as well.

          They were a little plodding on O at times. But our D was playing well from many angles, minimizing what speed they did have. You could tell Chryst was frustrated a couple times because he wasn’t getting his normal reads to throw to his wide-outs. He was squeezing the ball a lot.

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            Yeah, the officials didn’t kick out enough guys for us to win

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        Just goes to show the eye test doesn’t always tell the full story. Shaw isn’t as good as Harbaugh, but he’ll get you to a mid-tier bowl every year, and maybe a BCS bowl once every three years or so. The offensive playcalling can be, well, offensively dull at times, but it works given who they can recruit.

        He’s not elite, but he’s a good coach on the whole.

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    Another luck o the Bears….Moore leads Dolphins to 40-0 defeat against Baltimore after rallying the team late for a victory this past weekend?

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    Hungalu is the least clutch linebacker I’ve ever seen. He is decently coached and puts himself in the right place to make game changing plays, then he shits the bed every time.

    Is it too late for Togiai to take his brick hands to defense? Seen enough of him too.

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    I was reading where Jim Wilson said the Beavers are set up to win six games next year, easily. Jim’s been around the program a long time and is pretty astute. His comments would suggest that he sees the talent there. I guess the decision becomes whether Hall is the guy to maximize the talent. If the Beavs can win a couple of road games, I think he has to get serious consideration. I really like his demeanor and body language on the sidelines. He has gone into both games with a plan. I don’t know much about his ability to recruit which is always crucial.

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      He’s widely regarded as one of the best recruiters on staff.

      Reading between the lines the last few years, it sounds like he and Baldwin are the ONLY assistants that have been doing any recruiting.

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        That’s good regarding recruiting. I thought the comments circulating regarding the fighting among the assistants was interesting. With Barnes selecting Hall as interim, it might indicate that Hall was not involved in any of that bullshit (maybe Baldwin wasn’t either?).

        I curious as to whether Hall read any of the assistants the riot act or if the in fighting has stopped with GA gone?. Maybe they all know their out of jobs soon enough and are on their best behavior. The fighting would seem to point to GA’s lack of overall leadership which he seemed oblivious to.

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          I couldn’t help but think about GA’s comments about self-promotion during Hall’s presser when he kept talking about himself as the difference, then briefly alluding to the rest of the staff before coming back to himself.

          If GA really did recommend Hall for the job, I could see a line of reasoning that went:
          -Coaching is mostly about self-promotion now
          -Hall is the most marketable guy here and a good promoter
          -He’s the best fit for HC (at least in the interim)

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            I could see during the presser where Hall was definitely selling himself for the job and I don’t blame him one bit. These close losses must be killing him. 3-5 record and everyone would be lobbying for him and there would be talk of bowl eligibility again. He has four more games, end the road losing streak and that will get some notice also.

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            I think those are points worth considering, but I don’t think the self-promotion explains the difference in play calling or the difference in on-the-field performance.

            Maybe GA just lost the team and they tuned him out. But that wouldn’t explain McLovin’s atrocious play calling during GA’s tenure as HC this season.

            Hall’s 6 years in the NFL leads me to believe he is highly motivated and works hard. He seems intelligent enough to have learned something in his playing and coaching stops, and to apply it now.

            However, I’m not supportive of handing him the job based on his energy and results thus far. I think keeping him and giving him a promotion of some sort would be wise for continuity in recruiting.

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            I’m not making a connection between self-promotion and playcalling. Just observing that some people want to make a saint out of Hall, and he may very well have been one of the guys GA was railing on.

            That doesn’t diminish his eligibility for the HC job. The leader of a program HAS to be a good promoter, or be surrounded by good promoters. We haven’t had that in a while.

            Energy and ability to promote only take you so far, though. Hall needs to have organizational skills and the connections/ability to build the right staff. Those are my reservations about him.

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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/sports/colleges/franklin-leads-penn-state-with-grand-vision-big-personality/2017/10/26/0cd91f30-ba6d-11e7-9b93-b97043e57a22_story.html

    Interesting article that talks a little about Franklin and the transformation of PSU. I wonder what’s in Hall’s binder.

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    Petras and Smalls might be working Isaiah Crocker, saw he tweeted #hallin

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      I liked seeing Petras with an excited tweet about the game last night

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    The thing I’m most pleased about is at least OSU didn’t stink it up on National TV like they have so many times in the past.

    Is Keller Chryst related to Paul Chryst?

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    Unis last night were pretty good, btw.

    Not a lick of white makes them so much nicer. A single orange stripe on a black helmet is our best, IMO. Just take the border off the beavershark and the black off the sleeves, and I’m good.

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      Get rid of the nutria and they are awesome!

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        I’m not beholden to the beavershark. As long as we don’t go back to the bucktoothed poop smear, I’m good.

        I prefer plain black helmets with a single orange stripe.

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    ^^^^^^^^^
    Yessss those were awesome….need to see those at every home game.

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      I wonder sometimes if all the white stripeys on our home unis act as reflector strips for the opposition to see us better. We certainly looked like we played a cleaner D without them. It’s probably coincidence, but it can’t hurt to take away those little things.

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    By the fourth quarter Stanford D had 10 guys within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. One safety maybe 15 yards at most deep. On the Nall fumble their D was like that. Every man on D was going for the ball and we helped with a call between the guards. As someone said collapsing the play. It seems he spun as he tried for more yards and the ball was exposed. How about running outside the tackles here?

    Under GA the Beavs arm tackled everywhere. I was at the UW game and every one of them, even a guard on an interception, tackled below the waist or lower. They did not miss an open tackle as they were coached on the fundamental of tackling one on one not waiting for a gang.

    Last night I had two or maybe three times I was upset with tackling and it was when their QB got free of a couple sacks. Otherwise there are a growing number of Beav tackles that are one on one below the waist.

    Improved coaching in only 2 games. Sure the Beavs mess up at times, but they have to remove all the GA culture from their brains. We are running out of season but these kids are having fun on the sidelines. During timeouts, which you don’t see on TV, there is a sudden interaction of the kids and particularly the student body. The students were rocking the 4th quarter as was the band. This is new even to the Riley years.

    TT is such a weapon but again the season is running out. At least he has moved up the depth chart. Need to use him and his speed more.

    A couple of plays they could do with DG and TT. If you watch the fly sweep the fake calls for the back to just run to the sidelines. If we are on our side of the field I fake to TT heading right to left, fake to Nall on the left side of DG so DG is looking at TT. TT turns up field and just jets. Pass the ball with in 12 – 15 yards and let him run.

    Same thing inside the red zone but make it a bubble screen

    Finally from the slot TT in a foot race down the seam. Depending on where the safety is he goes straight or breaks for the corner.

    Heartbreaker for sure. Early under GA I saw 1-11. Yeah, Stanford did not play great, but our D had their hair on fire. I think the next 4 games are toss ups based on the changes in the fundamentals and schemes of the last two games. The coaches need to make better adjustments at half, but recognize this is 2 games for what looks like to me a new coaching staff.

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    • Jack Jack
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      Question for those who watched on TV:

      Was Nall’s fumble on the exchange? It looked to me like it bounced off his hands or chest then bounced off #66’s face back into Nall’s arms and out again.

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        What I saw was one of the Stanford players reaching in and ripping at the ball thus pulling it out of Nall’s grasp.
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          His one armed grasp, with the ball out and under like a chicken wing. Left arm picking through traffic.
          POOR technique and bad on the QB and staff for not harping on two hands on the ball. Ugh!

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          I must have imagined it. I gasped as he took the exchange because I thought I saw the ball flip forward. Then I thought it bounced right back into his arms, and I was briefly relieved. Then the ball was on the ground, and it was just a “well… crap” moment.

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            I just talked to a friend who watched it last night. He says we actually kinda ran power on that play, But Wily-Matagi treated his wham block on #66 like a chip, and he was thrown into Nall, dislodging the ball. That’s where I saw all the bouncing back and forth.

            I just didn’t have an angle to see it properly.

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    From Goe column: It was enough to make coach Gary Andersen throw up his hands, quit and move back to Logan, Utah.

    Has he?

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    One coaching scenario brought up often on this site is bringing in a new coach from outside the program and promoting Hall to DC or something along those lines.. Don’t give Hall the head job, but give him a raise…

    This is a nice thought in theory, but Hall is bailing town if he gets passed over for the head job.. Whether it’s official or not, Hall is the head coach right now. He’s not going to accept a demotion and stay in Corvallis, that’s not how 99% of human’s work.. He clearly believes in himself and is a young ambitious coach.. I would bet a fair amount of money if OSU passes him up, he bails to take a coordinator job at a higher profile school that could lead to a head job quicker..

    With Hall, it’s a #HALLin or nothing proposition.

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    Received this email this morning:

    Went to the game last night and our son, a student at OSU, joined us. He said it was common knowledge that when Andersen brought in Luton ( whom is LDS like Garrettson), MM2 knew he would not get a fair shake as he is not LDS. Take that for its worth but I found it interesting and it makes me wonder about some of Andersens other decisions.

    Obviously we’ll never know if that’s true, but I never knew Luton was LDS, and that that might be a factor. Gary said he wasn’t LDS, though it’s hard to believe since he is obsessed with Utah (and said golden footballs called him to Corvallis).

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    Jim Mcelwain claiming he received death threats, yet he won’t provide any information. No thanks on him. Last thing we need is another head case.

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      Florida fans telling him they would rather kill themselves than watch him coach another game do not constitute death threats

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        One word for your carpet……… OxiClean.
        Have you found a nice home for your son?

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          Good advice on the oxi. I’ll give it a shot. I can still see evidence, despite my best carpet scrubbing last night.
          The boy went pretty quickly. I posted on craiglist he was available and left him out by the curb last night. Was gone when I woke up this morning!

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      I’m always suspicious of someone with a McName who pronounces it MacName.

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        Is it mac-q-in or mac-el-wain? I’ve heard both on the radio just today.

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          Doesn’t matter. He sucks and is clearly a head case.

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            Ya, but if I’m going to insult him I might as well get his name right.

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