20.Dec.2017 Duck à l’ Schadenfreude

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Sounds like a tasty meal, no?

In general, this blog isn’t to bash the Ducks, but I had a hearty laugh when I saw their two top recruits de-commit today. This after they overpaid millions for a 27-48 head coach who got boat raced by BSU, chained themselves to him for 5 years, and then topped that by giving 1.7mil to a DC who abuses players and wants to be a HC at Kansas State (even writing a K-State clause in his contract). They did this, of course, to keep said class they’re currently in the process of losing.

I called Taggart a fraud who was in it for himself. Well, Mario (lol @ that name) and Leavitt are both cut from the same cloth. Both are real life Stuart Smalleys with a little Tony Robbins in them to appear tough. Frauds.

Merry Christmas, my fair feathered friends.

Go Beavs.

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  • PdX says:
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    Do we really need to focus a post entirely on the Ducks? Just feeds the “little brother” shit.

    • angry angry says:
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      When they’re in turmoil after throwing money at a problem, yes. Big yes.

    • Doozeldorf Doozeldorf says:
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      Losing 9 of the last 10 Civil War games is what feeds the little brother shit.

      • PdX says:
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        Absolutely, but even more so when a beavers blog focuses completely on the rival’s missteps as some sort of accomplishment. Their downfall of any kind does not make us any better than the shit we have been putting out athletically recently outside of baseball and women’s basketball.

  • Youngorst says:
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    Interesting, honestly had no idea they lost anyone. Guess the check bounced. Other than that, don’t really care what is happening at that shithole of a college.

  • Bill says:
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    It takes quite a leap of faith to justify that hire. As I’ve said many times before, the players should have no say in who the coach will be. When I see players petitioning the admin for a current coach, it means that program will go soft in a couple years. Such a short sighted decision.

    I thought Taggart was a good hire by them. He would’ve been able to keep the program in the top half of the conference just purely on recruiting and probably get to a new years bowl every few years. Circumstances really went against the ducks this year.

    I’m predicting Cristobal is going to have a tough time in a couple years. Players are going to get soft with him being a players coach. It’s going to be a quick descent. Ducks may continue to land talent, but they won’t have the coaching they need.

    But they’ll still be better than the beavs for the next few years. Hard to see Smith make a quick turnaround without a good qb coming in.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      Players having an opinion that means something is sort of bizarre when you think about it, at most they play four years. When an administration hires a HC, I’m sure the goal is to keep that coach for much longer than four years if he’s good. Players are transient, if you are going to hire a coach of off one “round” of players, that seems pretty short-sighted. It’s the Ducks though, so I hope they screw it up.

      • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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        Here is one they likely didn’t screw up, Ken Ravizza is listed on the coaching staff for uck baseball. His title?……….Sports Psychologist !

        • MonkeyLuven MonkeyLuven says:
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          That’s because George Horton’s alma mater is Cal State Fullerton where Ravizza is a tenured professor. Most of Ken’s time is truly focused on teaching, large one-off workshops, and supporting his long-time buddy Joe Maddon with the Cubs.

          The ducks don’t get much of his time at all, and I generally haven’t seen much in terms of his value translating to their success.

          For the most part, mental skills coaches need a consistent presence with a team and its players to have the most pronounced impact.

  • BeaverBeliever BeaverBeliever says:
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    https://publicrecords.uoregon.edu/sites/publicrecords1.uoregon.edu/files/Altman%20Docs%20%40nike_COMBINED_Redacted.pdf

    Nike Execs gave Dana Altman advice and counsel. One coach told him to recruit Canada more heavily, and the other pointed out recruits for him that he should look into.

    Would Nike ever do the same for Tinkle and Oregon State? Don’t think so. Just another reason to switch to Adidas as soon as humanly possible.

    • Doozeldorf Doozeldorf says:
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      I’m pretty sure those emails are just the tip of the iceberg that is Nike’s involvement in UO athletic recruiting. No doubt the Feds are gathering their evidence. I just wonder how much heat Altman can take. Although he doesn’t seem like he’s overflowing with morals, so he’ll probably hang on until they have to drag him out.

    • angry angry says:
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      I have an email from 2011 from a guy who named names, players, and $ amounts.
      Tried to call that hotline and give it to the Feds, but no call back. Bruce Barton was purchased for 10-15k, though.

    • Alpha Alpha says:
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      Under Armour…

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Well, you can’t buy it much lower… maybe.

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        This, Adidas is a soccer company.

      • BeaverBeliever BeaverBeliever says:
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        Even if Under Armour wasn’t in such bad financial shape, and even if Adidas wasn’t in the best financial shape they’ve been in North America for some time, it makes sense to partner with Adidas for one simple reason:

        Under Armour currently sponsors three PAC-12 football teams. Adidas currently sponsors only one.

        It’s far more likely that we’ll get big money from Adidas to be their second PAC-12 team (and their 11th Power 5 university overall) than getting big money from Under Armour to be their fourth PAC-12 team (and their 12th Power 5 university overall), especially after Under Armour stole UCLA from them. If we want to compete with schools like UO, USC, and Washington, we need to get as much cash in the deal as possible, and Adidas has cash to burn.

        If you want more reasons though, here’s three:

        First, Adidas is easily the biggest threat to Nike in the market, and is a true rival in every way. Nike hates them, to the point where I’ve heard of stories where employees have nearly been fired from Nike for accidentally wearing Adidas to work. They passed the Air Jordan brand to be the #2 shoe company in America this past summer, too, which probably hasn’t helped matters. If you want to piss off Phil Knight (who, mind you, has hated Adidas pretty much his entire professional life), you go with Adidas, not Under Armour.

        Second, my generation (and younger) are pulled more by Adidas fashion cache these days than Nike. Just take a look at how pretty much every teenager wants shoes like Kanye’s Yeezys, which were also made as football cleats. Now, not saying this would happen, but if OSU got to outfit their entire football team in Yeezys, that would attract MANY more young men(especially African-Americans) to OSU than you would think. I get that many here probably don’t like Kanye (let alone even know who he is), but popular brands like himself are one way we can close the “cool” factor gap between us and schools like UO. Remember, we have to appeal to the current tastes of 17-18 year old young men, not to older people like ourselves. I’m not opposed to Under Armour, but outside of Steph Curry, they don’t have nearly the same fashion pull.

        Finally, I think their uniforms look dope. Sue me. If we get jerseys that look even 3/4s as good as this:

        http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics33/0/IA/IAJKVDHGBQDJHVT.20150718163536.jpg

        I’ll be happy.

        • PdX says:
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          I never thought I would see it, but adidas really has become the more popular shoe brand LATELY. I have been pretty impressed with their stuff including the boost tech and the nmd lines.

  • ID Beav says:
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    LOUD NOISES

  • ObjCritic says:
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    They overpaid for a coach to try and maintain the “#1 class in the country” and prop up and manage perceptions of program credibility and stability. Its likely to backfire, and not just in this class, but more so in next year’s and in this coaching cycle (I bet he’ll be gone after 3 years, tops).

    It was reported that 5 WR verbals decommitted:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2017/12/oregon_ducks_recruiting_why_di.html

    I see no harm in enjoying their shortsightedness, desperation, and clear attempts to buy credibility.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Funny, just catching up on video from earlier in the day.
    Check out this link where Ron Callan is interviewing WR coach Kefense Hynson. A little after the 4 minute mark, Ron asks coach about “Nikko” to which Kefense says he doesn’t think he can talk about him. Then Ron looks at his note sheet and awkwardly says “it says here he’s…..not ready to go….ok…can’t talk about him…..”

    Whoops. Tack that on to the self report list.
    Funny thing is, they could have easily edited that out before tweeting the video out, if our athletic department were paying a little attention.

    https://twitter.com/BeaverFootball/status/943720705949966336

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Wtf, man?

    • Bill says:
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      Don’t think that’s an infraction. Coach didn’t talk about him or even mention the recruits name. Smart coach to catch that and not violate the rules.

      Callan is an idiot. There’s only 11 guys!

      • Jack Jack says:
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        I’m not familiar with the radio side at all. Is Callan not an OSU employee? If not (and if the broadcasted info was live, therefore, couldn’t be edited) then it’s not an infraction.

        • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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          Fair enough, it was live the first time it aired. But the team took the video from the interview and tweeted it out from the official football account at 9PM as if it was their own content. It could have easily been edited in that 12 hour window, or just never tweeted out.

          • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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            And the video is watermarked “#BTD18 Signing Day” which makes me think it was an in house production and not an outside radio interview

        • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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          Callan does the PA for the Seahawks and a regular morning sports update on Portland radio which covers a wide variety of sports/teams. I doubt he is employed by OSU, certainly not full time.

          I’ve found him easy to listen to on WBB broadcasts and FB sideline. Recently he sounds more like Parker with respect to the MR re-re-hire. He doesn’t have a bozo sidekick though and doesn’t continually bring up movie trivia, so there is that.

          EDIT/ADD: Here is what Callan’s tweet profile says:
          “Beaver Sports Network! Football pre/post game host. Sideline reporter. Play-by-Play Women’s Basketball!!”

          • beavers4life beavers4life says:
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            Learfield Sports which contracts out to OSU. He’s not being paid by OSU, he’s being Contracted out. That’s my understanding.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      The link is now down. Guess the person responsible for editing just returned from reattaching the 2016 banner.

  • Mechanical Man says:
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    You know, I grew up watching Duck games hoping they would lose. I loathe the Ducks, and always will, until their special partnership with Nike dies. I will respect them when their academics substantially improve in academic fields that do good for society (particularly STEM).

    But recently, I’ve come to realize how bitter I had become, in part because of this. I started asking myself: is this how I want to live the rest of my life? Obsessing over another’s failure?

    Why can’t we have a good athletic program? Well, football and men’s basketball struggle mightily. But why? Is it the coaches? Players? Facilities?

    No! It’s the donors! The donors are the root cause of this. There appears to be no sense of accountability in the process of hiring quality folks to not only lead individual sports programs, but the athletic program in general. Do these donors not feel the effects of throwing money down the shitter?

    I pray that one day, there is a process where each donor gets an equal voice. Objectivity, not favoritism, is championed. Students, alumni, coaches, and others each argue (with a moderator present) about the plan by goals are elicited, and methods to reach those goals are weighed, so we don’t keep repeating this same damn uncle of mediocrity! It’s insanity what Beaver fans have to go through year in, year out!

    We need objective assholes who point out the flaws of the program more than anything. Okay, perhaps not assholes, but we regular folks need a voice, because these donors are simply making decisions based on emotion and nostalgia, not necessarily critical thinking. We regular folks need a voice, perhaps to explain how the game(s) have evolved, and what it takes to win at the Division 1 level.

    I watched the Civil War with several donors and all they could scream was “get him!” when Royce Freeman took the ball 20 yards on several carries. They were all so confused when Duck players were wide open, 10 yards from the nearest opponent, as if they had no damn clue that the game has evolved since the Wing T set. When someone pointed out what was wrong with the Beavers’ defense, they’d get all quiet and whisper how that guy was a negative Nancy and basically isolated themselves.

    Wonder why OSU is known as the “sheep college”? Because we have fucking sheep as our donor base! They need to wake the fuck up!

    Ok, rant over. Happy Holidays. Go Beavs

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      We used to have players that were fucking sheep……allegedly.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Verb vs Adjective. Really changes the context.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          It’s just a weird place to put an adjective. Sheep is already emphasis enough. We’re supposed to get more or less upset because of the USDA rating on them?

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    OT: My recruiting thoughts.

    1) Andersen had bad class going on paper and it only got worse with the new coaching staff. The class is only half done and there is time for improvement.

    2) The best recruiting schools are mostly done. We are half done, which could be good as we can improve. The class could also get worse on paper.

    3) This is the worst ranking on a class since 247 started keeping results (15+ years). Based off PAC 12 ranking (12th) and national ranking (87th). Coaching transition years are always bad, but they are especially bad at Oregon State with this year being the worst. Other coaches seem to be able to flip some commits, but we struck out. The class is not done and it could change dramatically. First year of early signing so it difficult to evaluate.

    4) 2 of the best recruits in the class were stolen late. Cam Thomas to Florida and Spencer Petras to Iowa.

    5) Not a single pleasant surprise on signing day. I was hoping for at least one.

    6) Isaiah Smalls recently tweeted about up to 4 silent commits. I think we saw only 1 of them. Either 3 are still coming or we lost them already. It is difficult to keep track so my numbers could be off.

    7) New coaching staff brought in only 1 recruit who is the lowest ranked recruit on paper. Hopefully they can improve on this in the late period. They basically traded this 1 recruit for a similarly ranked recruit.

    8) The new coaches reached out to many recruits that they had relationships with coaching at other schools with offers. Their was not a single taker. This speaks volumes at to their recruiting ability. Not a single recruit wanted to follow their coaches to a new school.

    9) Many of the new offers look like desperation on paper.

    10) Losing out on Djibril hurt, but it looks like he has not signed yet. Maybe there’s a chance, but I doubt it.

    11) 1 sure fire way to decrease the average ranking of a class is for it to be OL/DL heavy. This is just based on the numbers needed and how many are available. Every school usually finds their lowest ranked recruits are on the lines. We need our class to be heavy in these areas and it is not, so chances are good the average per recruit goes down.

    13) Many of our recruits are under ranked due to many reasons such as lack of exposure, lack of social media presence, late bloomers, committing early preventing exposure, talent on film with undesirable measurables.

    14) They took risks with lower ranked recruits with huge potential due to measurables (size, speed, weight lifting, height, etc.)

    15) We have signed all 11 commits. Many schools have a lot of there commits yet to sign. This spells opportunities to steal recruits, which we don’t have to worry about. When I looked UCLA had 6 signed with 6 commits that need to be signed.

    16) We could sign about 11 more. We are about halfway done. The class could improve dramatically.

    17) Our coaches are long term recruiters, which does not give fast results, as we see. They recruit to the school and develop long relationships. This gives slow results in the fast world of recruiting. The staff are not looking to make the quick sale. This long term recruiting will make better coach and athlete relationships when at the school. I think it will reap better results down the road.

    18) Right now we need some DL juco help. There appears to be 3 possibilities. A good measurement of the staff will be whether they can get at least 1 of them.

    19) Hopefuls for the late signing period include Victor Terry, Nikko Hall, and Isaah Crocker. Adding these 3 would really help the quality of the class. We need more OL/DL. Any of these recruits that we are still after are pretty low ranked except some of the jucos already mentioned. We shall see how it turns out.

    20) I honestly didn’t want this evaluation to sound as negative as I felt it did. I just felt it needed to be a honest evaluation. It was difficult because I really like every one of the recruits that signed. Hodgins has incredible explosiveness that could net a lot of exciting plays. Wilson looks like he is physically ready to play in college today with good height. Smalls is an exciting person and player who is the recruit with the most impressive offers. Dukart, to me, looks to have a really good arm. Levengood has probably the second best offer list with excellent skills. The main downside is weight, which will be easily fixed. Bickler, you cannot coach his size combined with speed. Tufaga knows how to win and he is close to physically ready for college. Francois, we beat out at least 1 PAC 12 school for him. I always like that and he listed at 215 to 225 lbs. He may be ready the moment he arrives. Dawkins is under recruited, but to me you take 1 look and you can see that when he adds 35 lbs to be 300 lbs he will still be athletic as a tackle. Rogers appears to be durable back and provides some explosive depth. Irish looks fast and elusive.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      On the plus side, the Beavs are ranked higher than Fresno State… yea?

  • scotty says:
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    A Riley Haiku
    Chew chew chew chew chew chew chew
    Hip hip horrific

    A Coach Smith Haiku
    If you have to say you’re boss
    You are not the boss

  • Beav in DE says:
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    Rankings are one thing
    Lots of stabbing in the dark
    I’ll wait ’til the fall

  • Ughh says:
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    Ducks Drown in the Pond
    When They See That Cristobal
    Has No Crystal Ball

    • ReverendBeav says:
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      Jack’s posts are showing as ignored but I never intentionally ignored him. I believe this happened to others a couple weeks ago. Anyone know how I can fix this?

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Before anyone cries to me about recruiting rankings, they’re going to have to explain to me who does the rankings, why they do the rankings, what their methodologies are, and why a class of 11 3-stars is lesser by 40 ordinal positions than a class of 17 3-stars.

    Until I get satisfactory answers to these, your whines are about equal to the bleating of sheep.

    So dumb.

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      Recruiting rankings are like the early baseball statistics that were developed by a British journalist who knew nothing about the sport and assumed it was like cricket (many of those are still used today!)

      You’re measuring something, but does it help explain the end result at all?

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        I don’t even know what their end result is. They try every year to explain how 30% of their 5* and 20% of their 4* go to the NFL, ignoring the fact that 70%, 80% and 100% of all others are misses… by that metric. If it’s performance while in college, then it’s both self-gratifying and self-destructive.

        It seems the only metrics they really have for these rankings are those that lead to the need for their own existence.

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          Make them take a wonderlic test and an iq test along with a act/sat score. Then someone make a formula for all 3 that produces a score. The College Football Aptitude Composite Score. Cant be any worse then the 247/espn human error guesstamation score they use.

    • marcodg marcodg says:
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      Not only that, but the the act of offering a kid increases his * value. And if you happen to be a blue-blood the effect is increased.

    • JockItch JockItch says:
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      Spot on Jack!

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        What was the ranking of the classes for the 2001 Fiesta bowl winner? How about 2006, 2008 Sun bowl winners?
        Those teams were pretty talented and beat higher ranked teams (also lossed to some lesser opponents….tribute those losses to the Riley effect).
        We get classes like those, we’ll be fine.

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          Nobody did rankings in 2001.

          The 2006 team was mostly recruited the three years prior, so they’d be maybe two years of data (I think they started doing rankings in 2004).

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            Those were the “blue chip” years. They had top 50 lists for position and offense/defense. It was mostly pundits from magazines like Atholon Sports, Sports Illustrated and sporting news.

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          That class was absolutely loaded! The problem was, that 2000 team (Fiesta Bowl winners and #4 in the country) lost a shit ton of talent! And I am not talking just the receivers! They lost key guys in the trenches on both sides of the ball! Many of those guys from 2001 that were freshman or RS freshman are some of the best players to ever put on a Beaver football uni!

          Go Beavs!

    • angry angry says:
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      why a class of 11 3-stars is lesser by 40 ordinal positions than a class of 17 3-stars.

      My guess would be with 17 you have 6 more misses built in.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Eggers notes on yesterday:

    http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/382007-269837-as-expected-for-smith-beavers

    Says Smith will likely sign a JC QB, and “If another QB comes aboard, it won’t be K.J. Carta-Samuels, the redshirt junior from Washington….”

    Of course Eggers seemed to really miss on Petras, so we’ll see.

    • Beav in DE says:
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      Kai Locksley is the only uncommitted, high-ranking JC QB I can find. Former Texas commit and son of longtime college coach Mike Locksley. Maybe Riley knows Locksley somehow?

    • angry angry says:
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      Why won’t it be Samuels?

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        Doesn’t say why just that it won’t be him.

        Also says just 1 QB that will likely be JC which indicates that OSU must not be getting Wilson today.

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          Was just going to post about Wilson.
          Last visit before signing was BYU. Got offered late by OSU and CAL, but I think he ends up at close to home, playing for Sitake. He spoke highly of Sitake in the attached interview.
          CAL and OSU are dark horses though, but dont make sense with the lack of time to visit and learn about either program.

          https://twitter.com/Mitch_Harper/status/943864603267575809

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        If that’s the case, there must be something personal between Smith and Samuels.
        Smith needs a QB desperately and he would have no competition here. Unless Smith just thinks Samuels just plain sucks worse than a gimpy Luton.

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          Or Smith likes Luton (angry’s blood pressure is increasing) and doesn’t see the point of adding a 2nd senior to the program

          Or Smith wants to go with someone with more than 1 year of eligibility knowing year one is likely a developmental year anyhow

          Or it could be personal but I think you are drawing a conclusion without a ton of evidence.

          For the record, I’d fully support a grad transfer even if its just competition.

          • Hillsbobevo says:
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            I have zero evidence.

            It just seems like a perfect fit, so it not happening leads me to believe there’s something more to it.

            He either doesn’t think Sameuls is that good (would rather risk his coaching life on Luton/Willard/Dukart), or Samuels doesn’t like the idea of playing for Smith.

            It also could be that Samuels thinks that he could go to a better program than OSU too, but for such a definitive statement, you’d think he’d at least want OSU to fall back on.

          • youngorst says:
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            You ignored the other option, he wants to develop a QB that will be at OSU for more than a single season. That is a perfectly valid reason to avoid Samuels that you are ignoring.

            They only have so many scholarships, using 2 on senior QBs when you are unlikely to be a bowl team may not be the best use of that limited resource.

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            Maybe he wants to stick with his teammates and play on a very good team. One play from starting.

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            What?

            Someone eligible as a grad transfer finding out he’s already on one of the best teams in the country?

            Ridiculous.

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        Because it would be good news and Santa won’t allow that. Gary was a naughty boy this year.

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    Eggers made a comment that Luton and Williard are the only QBs on the roster, other than maybe Moran. Did Blount leave? I know he earned a Scholly right?

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      Also are we bringing on Dawkins as OT or TE? Eggers said TE but the promotional tweet yesterday said OT.

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        From the Gazette Times article:

        Dawkins (6-5, 265) has a good frame to develop as an offensive lineman and also played basketball. Dawkins had a three-star ranking from 247Sports.

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        My guess is he will redshirt and they will work on his blocking with the plan to make him an OT but probably remain open to him ending up at TE if he struggles to add the weight needed or shows the athleticism needed to play TE.

        No reason to commit yet, both positions require learning how to be a strong blocker.

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          He’s too slow to be a TE. He’s been getting by at the HS level because of size and hands.

      • blackbug says:
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        Would not put a lot of stock in Eggers article. There is good info, but some glaring mistakes. He said Djibril is a receiver, which is not true to how we recruited him. The positional break down is wrong. Koch decommitted before Smith rather than under Smith. Interesting tidbit he ended up with Utah State, maybe we found better options.

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          Eggers now says leaving Blount off the list was an “Unintentional omission”

  • angry angry says:
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    I pulled a data set off the net and was looking at the 247 composite recruiting rankings. Our highest ranked class between 2005 and 2016 was the 2012 season. After that, it was the 2016 season under GA. So, the idea Smith is coming in with a bare cupboard isn’t accurate if we go by the composite scores. It’s actually our second best class since composite rankings have been logged.

    Ps. If someone can find the final AP rankings of each team between 2005 and 2016, I can then see if there’s a correlation between class ranking and final finish. My guess would be there isn’t for any given year since it takes the recruits several years to develop, even if they’re highly ranked, but there might be a correlation 2 years later.

    Interesting note: The highest ranked class ever was the 2005 USC class, and the lowest the 2015 UAB class (they signed 1 player, a 2 star!). The worst class with the most signees was 2011 Air Force — 36 signees.

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      Just from memory, MR seemed to do the inverse. Good season= bad recruiting. Bad season= work harder and have better recruiting. Never built upon success.

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        Yeah, there are coach tendencies and many other variables it coudln’t measure. But a pattern or correlation might emerge between class ranking and final AP standing. It would help decide if stars matter. I think they kind of do, but there are always outlier players and teams (if they have great coaching/talent evaluation).

        Seems Smith wants to rely on the latter approach because he’s confident in his coaching. Taggart relied on getting the best recruits to cover up his bad coaching.

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      I don’t agree with the bare cupboard theory, but look at the top end of that class:
      Shurod Thompson
      Christian Wallace
      Mason Moran (QB)
      Isaac Garcia

      See a trend?

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        Yeah, I understand that, but every class has that issue. We’d have to really dig in to see who left from prior classes. That 4-star LB from Hawaii and the 5-Star Yeti DE come to mind right away.

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          Looking into it, since 2012, the top 4 or 5 guys from every class have mostly been busts. Seumalo, Nelson, Brandel, and Harlow are really the only exceptions. Only 3 out of 25 ended up as All-Conference performers.

          Of course, this also says the rankings are terrible.

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      It’s amazing to me how many in the 2012 class listed on 247sports never or hardly contributed on-field.

  • 03Beav says:
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    I think Willie, Leavitt & Mario’s agents are the real MVPs in this deal.
    What this says to me is the fUcks got played and the NikeU circle jerk is in a state of panic.
    They have let the inmates run the asylum and are going to sink.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Schnell alert on USAT.

    Spoiler: It’s an article titled “Oregon State coach Jonathan Smith sees nothing but opportunity,” but it’s a lot about Riley… oh… and some 9.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2017/12/21/oregon-state-coach-jonathan-smith-sees-nothing-but-opportunity/972579001/

    But we won’t hear about some assistant.

    This is 9’s team.

    Inamous last words.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Schnell alert on USAT.

    Spoiler: It’s an article titled “Oregon State coach Jonathan Smith sees nothing but opportunity,” but it’s a lot about Riley… oh… and some 9.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2017/12/21/oregon-state-coach-jonathan-smith-sees-nothing-but-opportunity/972579001/

    But we won’t hear about some assistant.

    This is 9’s team.

    Infamous last words.

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    echo

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    http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/sports/2017/12/20/mike-riley-oregon-state-still-natural-fit/962991001/

    “At the end of the day take Mike Riley out of the equation,” Smith said.

    Apparently easier said than done.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Smith: “A first time head coach, it would be a benefit to have one of your assistants have sat in that seat before, to be able to bounce an idea off of, or just get a second opinion on maybe a discipline issue, weight room issue, schedule issue, whatever. And he fit all that.”

      Discipline? No. Weight room? No. Schedule?!? Hell no. He fits none of that. Unless you’re going to ask his opinion and basically do the opposite.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        If it wasn’t for Riley, 9’s first game as a HC wouldn’t be in the Horseshoe.

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          Maybe he could take some of that $6M Nebby owes him and buy OSU out of that game?

    • ObjCritic says:
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      “Apparently easier said than done.” No doubt, we thought he was GONE.

      “Boomerang Riley?”

      “Coach Herpes?”

      “Coach Lazarus?”

      “The Prodigal Grandpa?”

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        Prodigal Grandpa is his new name.

        • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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          Speaking of, I wonder if Riley and Banker have bumped into each other at the Corvallis Hime Depot yet?
          Awkward!!

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            “Hey Mark, hey! Heard you were in town, was going to call you! Same number?!?”

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Slaughter the fatted payroll!

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Per Tyson Alger, Oregon T&F and MBB & WBB have been served with a notice of allegations by the NCAA.

    Oregon has received a Notice of Allegations related to infractions with the track and field, and men’s and women’s basketball programs. https://t.co/BrPL6TFVKJ

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Not MBB!

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Sweet, an early Christmas present! Can we all join in a a chorus of joy to the world?

      • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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        Fuck, never mind. The track deal is kind of big, but the mbb/wbb deal is ticky tacky as far as sanctions go. Nothing will happen but an apologetic letter and a roll of uncle Phil’s $100 bill toilet paper.

      • marcodg marcodg says:
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        I’ll start. “Jeremiah was a bull frog…”

    • GreatWhiteHunter says:
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      Well that sounds like a little bit of lack of institutional control to me!

      • scotty says:
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        Disagree. Nike remains firmly in control of that institution!

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      This is good, even if track and field are the only ones getting serious penalties.

      Football and basketball make the most money, but track and field is the heart and soul of UO athletics.

      D’Arpino sisters may have to transfer elsewhere (again). Boo hoo.

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      Convenient that the news drops right before a holiday weekend, just like the Willie Lyles news dropped the day before a 4th of July weekend. This was rumored for months but suddenly becomes public today?
      But then the Heimlich story happens days before the post season starts? Noticing a pattern?

      Nice work oregonlive

  • angry angry says:
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    Zach Wilson does look like a nice QB prospect. Hope we can land him. Don’t feel good with BYU in the picture. I feel it’s Cal or BYU, but we can sell early playing time, which he wants. Nicebeav, thoughts?

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      He got offered a few days before signing day and couldnt get in for a visit, but want to sign today and enroll early.
      Think it will end up he stays close to home amd goes to BYU

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        Bummer, he looks like a good one.

        • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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          I suppose it’s possible he chooses OSU, but his home is only 45 minutes from BYU.
          We should know around 5:30pst

    • Bill says:
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      You have to wonder if he’s lds, do you take the chance on signing him when he may not come?

      • youngorst says:
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        He is planning to enroll early so not an issue

        • Bill says:
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          In theory he could still sign at osu in feb and enroll for spring term. One benefit of the quarter system.

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    UO violations aren’t anything that will result in program debilitating penalties.

    Most severe punishment looks like a couple year postseason ban. Hurts bball and track most. Doubt that will happen though

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Andersen being considered for DC at SMU:

    http://footballscoop.com/news/sources-gary-andersen-strong-candidate-join-smu-staff/

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    I’m sure many of you got this same email from OSU today, but for those who didn’t…

    “Yesterday Congress officially passed the “Tax Cuts and Jobs Act” that will go into effect on January 1, 2018. This new legislation means that your Our Beaver Nation (OBN) annual fund contribution, which provides the right to purchase season tickets to Oregon State Football, Men’s Basketball, and Women’s Basketball, will no longer be tax deductible in 2018. If you do not have season tickets to the previously mentioned sports your donation will remain tax deductible. In addition, any donation above the minimum required for season tickets will also remain tax deductible.

    Due to this change in the tax code, it may be to your advantage to make your ticket-related, annual fund contributions prior to December 31, 2017 to guarantee tax-deductibility under the current tax code. Additionally, we want to offer an option for donors who wish to make a donation by December 31, 2017 to allocate their gift toward up to two (2) future years, through the 2019-20 year, to assure your continued seating options for those years. Gifts made in 2017 for future years may not meet the total financial requirement for those years respectively. In that event, the balance will be required.
    We advise you to consult with your own tax advisers to determine whether this opportunity is of value to you.”

    That first paragraph was a little confusing to me but here’s how I understand it… please chime in if I’m wrong; if you make donations to OBN just for the hell of it that donation will still be tax deductible, but it you make that donation as part of the requirement to purchase season tix then that portion is no longer deductible. Am I getting that correct?

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      They’re saying
      “We f’d up in hiring Riley. Season ticket sales are way down. But if you act now(before Jan 1st 2018), you can still purchase athletic tickets for the next 2 seasons and write off the athletic department donation portion this year. Next year, youre fucked and so are we, as nobody will want to donate to our athletic program without the tax incentive. At least for 2017, we may get to see a boost in ticket revenue because of this rule change, and then we will say the Riley hiring was a great success!!
      Conversly, if you’d like to donate to the school on the academic side, by all means, please continue to do so. Those rules are not changing”

    • Bill says:
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      I got the email too. Athletic donations tied to season tix are no longer tax deductible starting in 2018. So if you prepay now, you can still take advantage of the deduction and the donation will apply to future year season tix. A lot of schools are offering this option this week.

      It’s going to change college athletics in a major way.

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    hey…the publicans said all tax reporting will be easier…just mail in your postcard.

  • JockItch JockItch says:
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    Ducks all-time bowl win % – .419

    Beavs all-time bowl win % – .647

    As you see them over the holidays, remember to remind all of your friends and family who root for the Ducks this vital stat as we go into the new year. (I know it’s low hanging fruit, but I’m looking for anything to give me a boost when I’ve got to hear about the 69-10 beat down).

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      Be sure to work in as much Ohio State and Boise State talk as you can. Have the quacks ever beaten them?

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    The 2018 roster was just released. By my count, these are the guys who had eligibility who are now gone.

    Seth Collins
    Austin Hudson
    Reed Woodward
    Ricky Liuchan

    So Collins and Liuchan were definitely on scholarship and I believe Hudson was as well?

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      Most significant loss? Hudson?

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        I’d say so, we were so thin there by the end. Hopefully we get a JUCO safety in the 2nd half of this class.

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        Does anyone know why Hudson is not coming back? I thought he played with a lot of energy when he was in the lineup. I don’t remember what his injury was, but did not think it was career ending.

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      Tyner is gone as well

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      Can’t believe there is a WR on the roster who is 5’5, 130…

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      Is Nall on it.

    • GoBeavs92 says:
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      Unfortunately, I think more attrition is coming. I brought this up before but I’m very curious if Nall leaves and Tyner is gone (along with Johnson graduating) what does the RB group look like then? AP (assuming he stays) and Calvin Tyler? Yikes. Every team in America is trying to establish a running game and those two guys are not going to cut it by themselves the entire season. I like AP but he can’t do it all and will struggle to stay healthy through an entire season being the main guy. We had 4 backs last season, that all had similar strengths, had experience and still ended up on a 1-11 football team. Now take at least 3 of those away and you really have to wonder what that running game will look like? What will the team look like? Need a running game in order to have a successful passing game.

      Go Beavs!

      • angry angry says:
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        What’s wrong with AP and Tyler? Both are very good.

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        Those two are fine. I think you underestimate AP.

        Riley only went with 1 RB ((granted they were fortunately durable) but I think those two will be good.

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          It would basically be all Pierce. Tyler has little to no experience in the backfield. Pass pro alone is going to limit him. AP is great but there also is the possibility of him leaving but even if he stays, very few programs have one RB that lasts the whole season. My whole point is durability and lack of depth/experience. This is a problem.

          Go Beavs!

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            It would basically be all Pierce. Tyler has little to no experience in the backfield.

            So Tyler will get experience. Problem solved.
            He almost got playing time last year with a log jam, so he’s very good.

            We have enough real problems, the main one being QB, that we don’t have to make any up.

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          Which season are you referring to? You do realize that even guys like Steven Jackson, Simonton, Bernard and Quizz had guys that could come in and spell them right. They didn’t do it all themselves.

          And durability is a whole other question when you will have an inexperienced patchwork offensive line, like the Beavs will for next season. It’s a big picture type of thing.

          Go Beavs!

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            Go back and look at Quizz’s seasons, he probably got 90%+ of the carries. He had very little help; whether it was an issue of depth and talent or just Riley’s play calling. There was a concern at the time that nobody else was getting development opportunities, and if he got hurt, there’d be problems.

            Bernard seemed to play even with injuries and was pretty durable, but I don’t remember anyone getting a significant share of the carries there.

            Jackson was a man among boys, and I don’t remember him having any significant injuries that kept him out long but I could be wrong.

            Pierce is very good and I think would rise to the occasion if given a larger role. Tyler was credited last year with Quizz-like elusiveness and almost got PT. Plus Nall may return. If Hall doesn’t return, it may not be ideal, but its solid, and I think less precarious than the depth that Riley used to field.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            AP is a stud, and I think a lot of folks would be surprised by his production if he suddenly became the #1 back.

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            So Tyler will get experience. Problem solved.
            He almost got playing time last year with a log jam, so he’s very good.

            We have enough real problems, the main one being QB, that we don’t have to make any up.
            -Angry

            Younger, undersized backs are hardly “every down type of guys” (Quizz was the exception, not the rule).

            We have Luton coming back next season, so there is the probable starter at QB. However, that doesn’t matter if you don’t have a strong complimentary running game. Not having depth or experience in the backfield and having a patchwork offensive line, is never a good sign for your passing game either!

            You’re entitled to your opinion that you feel this is a non issue. I think it is very much an issue.

            Go Beavs!

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        BJ Baylor RB

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          Couldn’t think of his name…I knew there was another there for depth.

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            YB and Quizz were exceptions for a lot of reasons. One was that the offensive line during those seasons was far better than what we currently have as a whole. Two, Matt Moore was a mobile QB that could demand the respect of a defense with his mobility. Three, there was a complimentary effective passing game. Lastly, both of those backs were very special.

            I will repeat. I love AP and think he may have been one of the top three if not, the best recruit brought in during the CGA era. However he needs help. Every single back from last season got dinged up for part of the year and that was with 4 good sized, experienced backs. The offensive line was terrible at keeping contact off the backs at the LOS. The offensive line looks to be worse and less experienced this season as a unit.

            And inexperienced RBs= inexperienced guys in pass pro…. a passing game and QB’s worst nightmare! AP is the only experience (assuming he comes back)?!

            Not being negative or chicken little here. Just addressing what I see as a possible major issue.

            We’ll all see soon enough.

            Go Beavs!

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            Quizz did not have a better O-line than we currently have except for 2008. The O-line in 2010 was probably worse than what we had last year, and it will be a shit ton worse than what we’ll have next year. Our O-line is fairly well set, talent-wise for several years. We just need to fill roster parameters.

            AP and Tyler sharing the workload would be an immediate upgrade to what we had to start last year with Nall pretending he was LeVeon Bell with the molasses mesh and standing behind the line, waiting for a better hole to magically appear in front of him.

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    Couple items from the tax bill that directly affects the athletic program and all college sports programs,

    1. Congress approved a 21% excise tax salaries over 1M for non profits. The way I’m reading it, is that if any of the top 5 paid employees are paid over $1M, colleges are hit with the excise tax. Basically all of college athletics is hit hard. Also applies to when schools have to pay buyouts to fired coaches.

    2. The elimination of the donor deduction. Schools will now have to reshape how they give benefits to donors since they can’t tie it to tickets.

    3. Tax law disqualified sporting events as a business/entertainment expense. Businesses can’t write tix off as a business expense. Don’t think this affects advertising at games or with the school.

    These are real game changers. It will reshape how colleges do athletics and pay coaches. Maybe it slows the arms race. Certainly hits the bigger schools harder.

    I would suggest seriously considering donating more this year to take advantage of the tax break that’s gone in 10 days if a major donor. Small donors don’t have much to gain by donating early. Usually tax bills give a one year implementation time period but not this one.

    • Bill says:
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      Since it’s an Oregon thread, let’s see what they’ll owe. Oregon is going to be hit hard by the tax bill.

      Altman – 2.5 per year
      Mario – 2.5 per year
      Leavitt – 1.7 per year
      Helfrich – owed 7.5 for the next two years.

      They’ll pay around 2 mil in tax next year.

      Osu gets lucky with GA leaving the dollars. Only Smith and tinkle will be over the 1 mil mark next year.

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      Can you site where you found that the corporate deduction will no longer be eligible? I have not found any other reference to the discontinuance of the corporate deduction.

  • ScruffyChipmunk says:
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    Angry – A serious question:

    If you have the evidence to implicate wrongdoing at UO with Bruce Baron, why don’t you post it online here instead of waiting for a media source to contact you and giving them the scoop?

    A well-articulated story with a documented paper trail would quickly go viral and probably get picked up by the mainstream media right away. Assuming you want the story to be told, it seems like you have the platform to do so right here.

    Not being snarky or suspicious; just curious why you don’t want to break your own news?

    • Timberrr says:
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      Maybe he needs help because it consumes a lot of time. Writing something that damning has to be absolutely accurate, and it’s not always easy to piece it together.

      Perhaps this can be a team effort. I’d like to help. Hoping others would like to pitch in as well.

    • angry angry says:
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      Source asked me not to, but that was 2011.

      I don’t have a paper trail. Just names and schools that the source gave. I just gave some more info on twitter earlier.

  • Ostatebeavs87 says:
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    Tinkle really has a hard time teaching these kids how to recognize profitable fast break opportunities..

    Amazing how many times Stevie has done that exact 1 vs 3 thing and turns it over.. it’s like bro, you aren’t Lebron. He also cant stay in front on D without fouling

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      This is a lazy, poorly coached team. The turnovers look like five guys playing a pickup game.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Get the tie up miracle and then toss it away! JHC they are frustrating to watch.

      • osu82 says:
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        It’s hard to see this team doing anything in conference this season–maybe win a few home games, but probably all loses on the road. It seems like there’s some talent there but the underperformance is staggering.

  • Timberrr says:
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    Eubanks’ technique on defense has not improved over the past three years. I’m very disappointed by his effort versus Kent State.

    Ralph Miller would have a stroke seeing this piss poor defense. They don’t put their hands up. How hard is it to fucking teach this?

  • angry angry says:
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    Wilson signs with BYU.

    Does this really matter? Lol

  • angry angry says:
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    More good recruiting news.
    https://twitter.com/BeavRecruiting/status/944031190209634304

    Glad was have that ace recruiter Riley locking these guys down.

  • angry angry says:
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    New (general) thread up.

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