10.Jan.2018 Thoughts on Final Two Hires

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What do you guys think?

I woke to rumors we might land Simonton, Jackson, or Bernard as a RB coach. Those wouldn’t be great hires because they’d be more alums/incest, so on that front it’s good we expanded the gene pool. But instead we got Pitre, who doesn’t even have a page chronicling his career arc. Smith claims Pitre is a great, up and coming coach who is a great West Coast recruiter. Really? We’ll see. Gut reaction is disappointment. Mainly because (a) who knows anything about this guy? and (b) can he really out recruit established position coaches given he was at Montana State?

Greg Burns comes off as passive and a “Riley Guy” ala Rod Perry in this interview. Gut reaction is (a) looks low energy/intensity like a Riley guy…wouldn’t be surprised if Riley suggested him to Smith (b) comes off as extremely passive and even clueless at times (c) didn’t have a job last year after being fired by Cal. How good can he be?

Neither appears to be the ace recruiter we desperately need. It’s like having a bullpen full of setup men. Meanwhile, we let go of Hall, who by all accounts was an excellent recruiter and brought much needed energy.

I’ll try to give these guys a fair chance, but these are my gut reactions. Open to hearing how/why these guys are the best we could do.

If you like your AngryBeavs, you can keep your ABs.




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  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    I’ll reserve judgement till I have some time to get a closer look at both of these guys, but I will say I was hoping for Hall and Simonton(or Bernard based on those same rumors you mentioned).
    Would be curious to hear some of the names that interviewed.

  • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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    Neither one of these two are home run hires, time will tell but maybe not even ground rule doubles.

    That they each have a Masters Degree seems noteworthy and fits the “build rather than try to recruit” theme which seems to be JS’s approach.

    That Psychology Masters of Burns though, is a lot more impressive to me than Pitre’s in Educational, Equality and Cultural Diversity……….speaking of which, the staff now shows enough diversity to have a chance of pleasing even Lindsay!

  • ohiobeav says:
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    After hearing Tibesar’s interview on JBS yesterday, I think the goal is to become a blend of Stanford and Wisconsin, by stressing fundamentals, teaching, effort, and intelligent football. The vision is apparently to steer away from high value recruiting and go for high football iq and effort guys. This approach will certainly set the Beavs apart from most schools, but may bury the program for at least 3-4 years until the “culture” is established. How the idea reacts with any Rileyism internally will be interesting. Not too hopeful, nor patient about it all.

    Without a cerebral qb or a super athletic qb, how do they overcome it all?

  • Rocketsaucer says:
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    not over the moon about either hire, but Burns was laid of when Wilcox started at Cal. Not that unusal to purge the current coaching staff when a new HC comes into town

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      My thoughts too…kind of the same as ‘how good can Hall be if he was laid off by JS?’

  • Bill says:
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    Hey now, Rod Perry was a good coach. Don’t recall much from a recruiting perspective but the DBs were pretty good during his tenure.

    So if Burns is that kind of coach, then I’m ok with it. He’s got a pretty decent resume. Stops all over the pac 12.

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Perry, like Hall, had time in the NFL. A recruiting advantage not shared by Burns.

      • Calibeav says:
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        Burns was db coach in Tampa in 2006…that works to at least name drop a little

  • Bill says:
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    The only thing I could really find on Pitre is this,
    https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/sports/bobcats/football/msu-s-pitre-an-indispensable-coach-confidant/article_14cfded5-148f-5038-8dc3-999c48334b6c.html

    So Pitre is connected to Smith through the Montana St HC, who coached at UW with Smith. So he’s a grandchild in the Chris Petersen coaching tree.

  • Calibeav says:
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    I think Pitre was a solid triple not yet established but definitely and up and comer.. he’s still close with Maurice Jones Drew who works for my Rams now and has major pull in La high school football circles.. they were beastly on the ground at Montana state

    http://bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=42691

  • Jack Jack says:
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    That they were both hired today says:

    1. One or neither of them was 9’s choice for #10.
    2. 9’s #9 was someone else’s #10.

    • blackbug says:
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      You never make any sense.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        That’s because you don’t bother to think.

        How long have Burns and Pitre been available? How long has one or the other not been on the staff, recruiting, handling personnel and looking at the neat TE coach over there?

        9’s choice for either DB or RB coach was a plan B, C or beyond. I’m assuming Pitre was probably always his #10. But if Burns was his #9, then why didn’t he go find him, unemployed in Greenland, 1.5 months ago?

        • Jack Jack says:
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          The definitive term never makes me think you don’t have second level deductive skills.

          • helmsley says:
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            “buy property that will be seaside in a couple decades.” Any thoughts on buying property in Puerto Rico?

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I wouldn’t buy in PR until the US shows that it cares about its territory and the Americans living in it.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            … millions of Americans who are migrating to the mainland and are pissed… and will find out they get to vote for representation when living stateside.

            I can’t wait until they start getting deported.

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          Because of climate change, the sled dogs in Greenland got fleas and the incessant scratching caused a delay in getting him the message.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You didn’t have to bring up something so depressing.
            https://omg.jpl.nasa.gov/portal/

            On the bright side, if you can figure out how sea level rise will affect plate tectonics in subduction zones, you could buy property that will be seaside in a couple decades.

        • Xblackbug says:
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          Only you would be stupid enough to declare you know how or what I am thinking. Talk about not thinking before posting.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You declared your non-thought. Don’t get all hissy over something you stated.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    Save Riley I’m not against any of these hires..some of these guys are on the younger (ish) side but the universal trait (except for Riley) are smart, cerebral coaches. And the horrifying aspect of this is that Riley gets to sink his zombie bit into Tight Ends which means that our best recruit because of his energy and help in recruiting will turn into a Riley zombie first.

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      Maybe JS looked at the zeal of our newest TE and decided the one player Smiley couldn’t infect with his limp attitude was Smalls.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Even Bikey can’t drag Smalls down. More then likely, he’ll hitch a ride on Smalls’ wagon and get undue praise for it.

        • Gum Chewing Bastard says:
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          Golly, I think ya might be misunderestimating my influence. I already got the kid hooked on Doublemint. I was into Big Red a couple of months ago, but shucks…

        • Beavocalypse says:
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          I hope to God you’re right Jack. When I saw that the draw of the last two coaches were Secondary and Running backs, I knew Riley would get Tight Ends and my heart just dropped. Smalls is too important to us as we recruit the next 4 or so classes to have him get Riley’d…and we have talent in that group I don’t want him fucking up.

    • helmsley says:
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      I hear only good things about Pitre from fellow Bobcat fans, who are enthused about the team’s trajectory under coach Choate.

      • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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        Someone on the Bobcat link posted above said Pitre was a good recruiter, any thoughts on that?

        • ObjCritic says:
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          Rowr?

          Will OSU corner the market on Eastern MT talent?

          Seriously, he sounds effective at connecting in a personal level, but he may need some time to overcome his credentials in comparison to other PAC and P5 coaches.

          • Burrito damage says:
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            Will the beavs then be Havres and MSU the havre-nots?

          • helmsley says:
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            ” Will OSU corner the market on Eastern MT talent?” Another Dwan Edwards would do nicely.

          • helmsley says:
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            Will the beavs then be Havres and MSU the havre-nots? Marc Mariani and Mike Tilleman for instance?

  • Sparkyd73 says:
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    I’m not surprised by the Hall decision. Certainly doesn’t seem to fit the JS mantra of low self promotion types. I’m a bit concerned that recruiting is self promotion, so that could be an uphill battle.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Gameday!!!!

    Fun stat for the day…

    The Beavs’ record at McKale v. the last five Zony coaches:
    Lindsey – 1.000
    Olson – 0.000
    O’Neill – 0.000
    Pennell – 0.000
    Miller – 0.125

    • orangejulius orangejulius says:
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      So you’re saying there’s a chance?

      • Jack Jack says:
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        As long as there’s a coach named Miller on the sideline, there’s a chance.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Mistake… I lazily counted the years, not the games played. I forgot we rotate out of certain trips every year and didn’t play @UA last year or in 2013.

      And I might as well throw Snowden in there. Our all time records at McKale v. –
      Snowden: 4-1
      Lindsey: 1-0
      Olson: 0-fer
      O’Neill: 0-1
      Pennell: 0-1
      Miller: 1-5

      I believe this is our 40th game at McKale.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Mark Helfrich takes a year off and gets hired as the Chicago Bears OC. Pretty good gig for a guy nobody around oregon wants anything to do with.

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      I still maintain he had a couple down years because he whiffed on some QB’s, but probably would have turned it around.

      They just got impatient thinking they were Alabama.

      • angry angry says:
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        Agree.

      • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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        Makes me wonder if it was him or Frost who really kept the momentum going at Oregon after Kelly left? Mariota didnt hurt either. After Frost left is when they had their biggest regression, but a big part of that was going from Alioti to Hoke on defense.
        Helfrich failed with personnel decision making, but I still think he was a pretty effective offensive coach.
        We’ll see how that translates to the NFL with a mediocre Bears team.

        • ObjCritic says:
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          Did Helfrich identify and recruit “3*” Mariota?

        • Bill says:
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          the biggest regression was on defense for them. Offense was going to regress a bit with Mariota leaving but it didn’t fall off a cliff like their defense.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Hoke was an attempt to put a band aid on a sucking chest wound. The downfall started with promoting Pellum to DC.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          With regard to Helfrich vs Frost, this is fun…a guy I know is friends with a former defensive coach from the Helf/Frost era. Toward the end they were recruiting Hawaii and Helf liked the look of a QB there. Frost said he didn’t like him and not to offer. Helf listened to Frost. Later, Helf is fired and Frost becomes head coach at UCF. One of his first offers is to the QB from Hawaii. Kid was the starter this past year. Seems Frost saw the writing on the wall and back doored Helf on the QB he wanted for his next coaching gig. Good times.

  • DrShrimpPuertoRico DrShrimpPuertoRico says:
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    I’m looking forward to our sweep of the AZ schools this week. Also, I REALLY like this Peyote.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    For Kee Whetzel fans, he’s on Joe Beaver today around12:30

  • ObjCritic says:
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    NiceBeaver right in about WB Purdy, who had an incredibly productive and efficient year. Thanks for all the recruiting insights!

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      Now that we know he’s being looked at and getting an in-home visit soon, I’d be curious to hear peoples’ assessment of his film.
      I came away really impressed with him overall, as a leader and he appears to be a pretty cerebral QB who doesn’t just rely on out-athleting the competition. He also has the wheels to get yards on the ground when needed(over 1000 rushing yards while throwing for 4500 yards in his senior season alone, with 65%+ completion)
      I’m also lousy at film evaluation, so I’d like to get others opinions.

      http://www.hudl.com/v/28QCgC

      • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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        That link contains his main senior year highlights, but he has more game specific links in his profile.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        His total yardage and TD:INT ratio for his senior year were fantastic.

        Has a PFWO offer at Alabama.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          I sure hope Iowa doesn’t need any more QBs this cycle.

          • Beavocalypse says:
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            Nicely played WFO hahaha

          • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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            A couple of scenatios I see playing out here. Both he and Jamarye Joyner are being recruited by UCF as well as Alabama(most likely pwo for both guys at bama though)
            UCF is getting a visit from Joyner this weekend. Nebraska is also recruiting Joyner. If Joyner ends up committing to UCF, I would expect Nebraska to go after Purdy. If that happens, I don’t like our chances. But, if Joyner commits to Nebraska, then I give us a 50/50 shot with Purdy. This is one of those cases where Riley on the road talking God talk might be beneficial.
            Bama will be lingering for both guys till the final weekend, at which point I could see both being let down because Bama strings them along but never offers a full ride. Just don’t see this playing out quickly as both guys have become some of the better options available for the later signing period.

          • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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            Iowa State just offered Purdy instead, lol. You were close

      • angry angry says:
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        Looks accurate and makes quick decisions.

        Uses a lot of loft on the deeper throws/not great arm strength.

        Good looking prospect with a bad offer sheet. My benchmark: is he better than Luton, and the answer is yes.

        • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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          Do you like him better than Petras?

          • angry angry says:
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            No. But he’s better than Luton, so that’s good. Might be able to start as a Freshman.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I would say he has pretty good arm strength since he throws off his back foot. He looks like Bernie Kosar. That kind of release could be beneficial for quick outs and throwing on the run. The latter might be important. While he has wheels, he tends to pull it down a little quick, and he doesn’t have the speed to get to the edge like he did in HS. Still, the wheels and backfield presence can be harnessed to develop a moving pocket.

          What’s his completion percentage?

      • BeaverQB BeaverQB says:
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        I like him. He looks like he’s got a live arm, good mobility and seems like a humble kid.

        The one question I have is whether or not being in shotgun all his HS career will help/hurt him in Lindgren’s offense? Not sure if Lindgren will have QB’s under center much, but if so, that will be a major adjustment for Purdy.

        If we can get him, I think that will be a big positive for the program.

        Maybe Niner’s staff can recruit after all…

        • ObjCritic says:
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          In terms of productivity and efficiency, he looks like a Petras consolation prize….

          • angry angry says:
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            Not sure about that. The guy who signed with BYU looked the best of all the QBs we were in on.
            We’d be lucky to get Purdy. He’s not Petras or the BYU guy, but I don’t think he’s a consolation prize. He’s a legit QB, which we don’t have right now, so he’s a prize.

  • angry angry says:
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    Sidd is probably guessing again, but interesting if true.

    https://twitter.com/SiddFinch4/status/951478658140524545

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Hold on… just about there… nnnnngh… nnnnnngh… almost there….

      Nope, never mind.

      Not interesting.

  • youngorst says:
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    So, i think this staff will likely get OSU back to Bowl games quickly (I’d say next year if they didn’t have that OSU game) but not sure they have the recruiting abilities to get to a New Years Six level.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Every game next year is an OSU game.

    • DrShrimpPuertoRico DrShrimpPuertoRico says:
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      Poll:
      I live within a day’s drive of Columbus and I know a guy who can hook me up with good tickets for the tOSU game. Should I go and watch that shit show just to experience The Horseshoe?

      • BeaverQB BeaverQB says:
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        Yes, just wear neutral colors in case you have to not look like a Beaver fan…

      • Jack Jack says:
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        You need an excuse to go to the biggest party in the state?

      • ObjCritic says:
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        Go as Jim Harbsugh….

        • Jack Jack says:
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          He can go as John Cooper.

          He was an assistant at OSU under Prothro.

      • Lancer says:
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        Personal experience OSU @ USC game, during the 28 year dry spell:

        80+ year old woman, w/ walker accompanied by her 60 year old daughter, approaches entrance to [very small] Beaver tailgate in LA. Is stopped by her daughter, who says, “No, no, that is the entrance to the Oregon State Beavers tailgate.”

        “Well,” she declares after squinting for some time at the banner hanging overhead, “we DON’T want to go there, DO we.” They both leave.

        YMMV? Then again, tOSU facility is quite impressive.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          You might make voodoo?

          Yo momma means victory?

          You made me vote?

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    A couple of nights ago I mentioned a 2nd 4* WR potentially visiting besides Crocker. He isn’t coming this weekend, but may later. He’ll be at UCLA this weekend according to 247

    https://247sports.com/Player/Chris-Olave-46040337

    • angry angry says:
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      If only we had someone to throw to all these guys!

      • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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        There’s another QB we’re recruiting. Juco QB Lindsey Scott. Was a 2016 LSU guy, then went JUCO so he could transfer anywhere this year. Should have 3 years left. His film is here.
        Mizzou aopears to be the main competition for him.

        https://twitter.com/_lj18_/status/915649454346301440

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          As they used to say in the old Big 8…….screw Mizzu.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Speaking of…

            Has anyone had a chance to laugh at Bama’s and UGA’s 2018 schedules yet?

          • ObjCritic says:
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            Good point Jack.

            The photo on the UGA site with the schedule announcement looks like Georgia is receiving a gift from God (e.g. Saban):
            http://www.georgiadogs.com/news/2017/9/19/bulldogs-2018-football-schedule-announced.aspx

            Following is the complete 2018 Georgia football schedule:
            Sept. 1 AUSTIN PEAY
            Sept. 8 at South Carolina
            Sept. 15 MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE
            Sept. 22 at Missouri
            Sept. 29 TENNESSEE
            Oct. 6 VANDERBILT
            Oct. 13 at LSU
            Oct. 27 Florida (Jacksonville)
            Nov. 3 at Kentucky
            Nov. 10 AUBURN
            Nov. 17 MASSACHUSETTS
            Nov. 24 GEORGIA TECH

            Alabama 2018 schedule

            Sept. 1 vs. Louisville (Orlando)
            Sept. 8 vs. Arkansas State
            Sept. 15: at Ole Miss
            Sept. 22: Texas A&M at Alabama
            Sept. 29: vs Louisiana-Lafayette
            Oct. 6: at Arkansas
            Oct. 13: vs. Missouri
            Oct. 20: at Tennessee
            Oct. 27: bye
            Nov. 3: at LSU
            Nov. 10: vs. Mississippi State
            Nov. 17: vs The Citadel
            Nov. 24: vs. Auburn

            Love the 11.17 cupcake…strategic scheduling near the end of the season.

          • Ostatebeavs87 says:
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            whats amazing is no one talks about how the SEC plays 8 conference games compared to pac-12 (and i’m sure other league’s) 9.

            CFB is just a broken terrible system… 9 to 8 conference games is a massive swing

  • Jack Jack says:
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    I didn’t see this yesterday. Margie died.
    http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/obituaries/death-notices/article_93aabee3-5597-5a6d-a22f-3d62d2078e18.html

    RIP.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    If anyone listens to Kee post any interesting tidbits or impressions please. Thanks

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Not sure how interesting, but here are the tidbits:
      Kee was reasonably well spoken, there was some discussion of his background but what I found interesting was: 1) he has spoken with both Smith and TT on Tuesday but there was no indication if those meetings were individual or team….I suspect Team.
      2) right now the team is doing voluntary workouts on their own, Kee says he lifts about 3 days per week and did mention that QB’s and receivers are doing some throwing.

      BONUS: Dave from Tumwater was in good form. Expressed amazement that the hosts were surprised when Parker read a news article from Tucson wherein the writer emphasized the assumed “mentor” relationship MR has over JS. Worth a listen, here is the link, but note that Dave’s call was actually two calls surrounding an interview with Scot Lynn late in the program:

      https://beaver.hypothetical.net/audio/joe-beaver-show_2369_20180111.mp3

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        Did he identify the QBs throwing?

        Only 3 days per week?!? I do that! : )

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          Didn’t ID QB’s.
          I too, was surprised at the 3 day thing. Since it is voluntary it must vary by individual SA and there was no indication of how long this “voluntary” period lasts. Nor any discussion of the two new strength coaches and any effect a short staff may have had.

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    I have one reason why Coach Sitre is intriguing for me.

    He was a scouting intern for the Patriots…and that organization is pretty spot on at the professional level. Let’s hope he learned some cool stuff while he was there.

  • Jack Jack says:
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    I guess he’s not even professional enough to put this on one of his fake twitter accounts then retweet it.
    https://twitter.com/AndrewNemec/status/951580061961891840

  • XDGreatSwammi says:
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    If you want to see a real cupcake schedule for 2108, check out Oregon’s non conference gig….effing UNBeaverable and totally effing RIduckulous!

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      What a bunch of fargin ice holes

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      I’m going to be dead and gone in 2108.

    • Beavers4life Beavers4life says:
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      *ucks schedule: 4 out of 7 home games in the first 4 weeks of September, 1 in October and 2 in November.
      Beavers have 6 home games: 2 in sept 2 in oct and 2 in Nov.

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    If the mbb defense travels on the road, could see a split this weekend.

  • Bill says:
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    Ayton looks like an NBA center out there. Man among boys.

    Got to get him fouled out for a chance.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Beavs are having an in home visit with JC QB Lindsay Scott jr tomorrow. Please keep this in the blog….lol…

    I think I just gave the pay sites some material…

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      Here’s his offer sheet: https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2016/lindsey-scott-jr-1016

      Some Ivy on there, so he didn’t wind up at JC due to grades. Anyone know why he’s at a JC?

      • Bill says:
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        Guys who go to JC who aren’t academic risks usually didn’t have a specific place to transfer to. They get a chance to show off their skills and then pick the school with the best opportunity. Likely one that offers playing time. Matt Moore was a guy with a similar situation.

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          I agree with this. Wanted to transfer out of LSU after redshirting freshman year(something like 10 or 11 guys left their program that year) and JUCO is the best way to get playing time rather than sitting out a year after transferring.

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    Two new FB strength coaches announced, both have PAC experience.

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    MBB doing quite well, considering the refs are letting Ristic treat the game like a MMA fight.

  • them beavers them beavers says:
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    so zona is the better team in this basketball game vs the Beavers but talk about home cooking calls; there has been a lot of non calls and a lot of BS calls against the Beavers in this one.

  • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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    Why does OSU even bother playing Arizona in Tucson? Eubanks gets T’d up for blocking a UA players forearm with his chest, then STJr gets knocked to the floor by the same UA player with no call. Ridiculous, extremely obvious and tough to win when they’re playing 5 on 8.

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      I fully agree

    • angry angry says:
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      I tried watching the last game and saw the refs road cook for Utah. Can’t watch Pac 12 anymore…too much ref incompetence/gambling on the games they ref.

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      Nice job Larry Scott’s done cleaning up the officiating. You have to think they’re instructed to favor the conference darlings to boost NCAA seeds and revenue.

  • ohiobeav says:
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    Get ready for Hurley to whine at the ref for 40 solid minutes on Saturday as well. He’ll get more than his share of homer calls and still complain and whine.

    I’d like to see Tinkle just go ballistic on these runt Pac12 refs and demand some respect/ Where is Barnes? Get Larry Scott on the phone and remind him that this is a conference where all teams should be equally represented and viewed by the conference. Beavs don’t need to be
    “put in their place” whenever it looks like they might move out of the cellar and no longer be the conference’s easy win on the schedule.

    Tinkle is getting a lot of good effort out of his guys and Arizona just looked like a bunch of prancing front-runners getting all of the calls in the second half. Disgusting product from the PAC12 again.

    • Homefry Homefry says:
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      Could it be as simple as this? OSU is the shitholer of the Pac 12.

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    Luckily Scott Rueck makes up for the crap from Larry Scott and Scott Barnes. Those two Scotts are bringing us Scotties down :-p

    • oneoldbeav oneoldbeav says:
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      Hey, scotty, did you hear the shout out you got from Tumwater Dave on JBS today?
      I posted the link above in response to ObjCritic. John W. continues to be amazed that some recognize the mistake made by JS in hiring MR.

      And, Rueck? He has a challenge coming tomorrow evening when The Realtor arrives. PAC at 6pm

      • angry angry says:
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        Minute mark of the Dave comment?
        I can’t listen to these chuckleheads more than a minute.

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          Just a link to the episode for me. I can’t even find a way to listen to it. I suck at that kind of stuff…

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            Here is the link, I’ll edit this post when I have time to locate the minute marks.
            https://beaver.hypothetical.net/audio/joe-beaver-show_2369_20180111.mp3

            EDIT:
            OK, you can get the TumwaterD vs JohnW exchange, including background, in a total of 10 minutes. The KheeW stuff is before any of that and begins at 30:30.

            1:11 – 1:13 Parker recounts what is said in AZ paper re:mentor
            1:20 – 1:23 Absolute gold as TumDave calls in response to the reaction of John and Parker to the comments in the paper.
            1:44 – 1:49 Dave/John continue

            Side issue: note the confusion as Doug Blair and John try to answer Dave’s question as to who is second in command, Assistant HC or Associate HC.

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        Just listened. Funny how Warren thinks Riley HC part 3 is so laughable and farfetched. Given this fanbase’s worship of Saint Mike, and the repeated talking him back, it’s not farfetched at all.

        Do the Arizona writers have a clearer grasp of the football program than our own?

        • Jack Jack says:
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          I like the, “Let them think what they want,” ambivalence. Don’t they know that many in our own fan base believe the same thing? And I’m not talking about us here who can see this perception before it occurs because we know all the baggage that comes with hiring a quitter. We know this because it has played out precisely like this everywhere it has ever occurred.

          9, whether he meant to do so or not, asked for that perception when he made the poor decision to re-rehire MR. Now, anytime anything good happens for his OSU program, it will be because of MR’s influence. MR gets credit without having to do any work, and it will always be that way because that’s the way it has always been.

          Why is it so hard for people to understand why simple decisions have simple consequences. This is only one of many in this situation.

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          Hate and vitriol when saying MR during a re-rehire needs to be mitigated?

          Somebody doesn’t understand ethics and performance. Hiring him in the first place does damage to the program. Part of that is the perception that these wonderlings think is hatred and vitriol on top of incredulous. 9 bought it, and these guys are paying for it without even knowing they’re doing so. I know they’re not cynical and just agitating for talking points because they’re not savvy enough to summarize and competently restate their opposition.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Another JUCO QB who will likely be getting a look.
    Jack Colletto out of Arizona Western(and from near the Couv in Camas, WA)

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Jackcolletto/status/937839015155318784

    Has a Memphis, Vandy, EWU and Idaho offer.
    https://247sports.com/Player/Jack-Coletto-46046152

    Former Gatorade POY in Washington in highschool.
    http://www.clarkcountytoday.com/sports/camas-qb-jack-colletto-opts-to-go-the-jc-route/

    • Recruiting Nerd says:
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      Are we looking at another prep QB AND and. JUCO QB? Or is this a take the best option kind of play?

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        We have barely any bodies on our roster who have any meaninful reps under their belt. Luton and Blount have both played a handful of games. Moran has played a few series.
        I think Moran comes back off QB to play safety again.
        So, you have:
        Luton-Redshirt jr(4 D1 games played in 2017, coming off back injury)
        Blount- Redshirt Soph(former walkon, played as injury backup in 2016 and sat 2017)
        Willard-Redshirt freshman
        Dukart-True freshman, will likely redshirt.

        That’s it! So take away Dukart, and you’re down to 3 inexperienced guys competing to run this team.

        We need more QBs, so taking a JC and another 2018 guy is
        reasonable.

        We thought Riley left the cupboards bare back when he bolted for Nebraska and left us with McMaryion, Kempt, Vanderveen, DelRio, Mitchell and Sanders. Then GA said “hold my scotch!”

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          Makes total sense to take 2 more quarterbacks, I was just looking for confirmation. I like Dukart, but he needs a RS to bulk up a bit. Wonder what our chances are with Purdy and Scott. We need some quality depth. I’ll bet if Purdy was 2+ inches taller his offer sheet would be much more impressive.

          Nicebeaver, can’t thank you enough for the regular updates. Any word on Casey Rogers? Will he visit?

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            I dont really like our chances with Purdy. I think Arizona will come in late and try to keep him close to home if their other QB Joyner goes elsewhere. Unless Ken Niumatalolo ends up coaching UA, which is a popular rumor today.

            Purdy received an Iowa St offer yesterday, so just another team to compete with. I’m sure more schools will join.

            Also, don’t think Rogers has interest.

          • angry angry says:
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            Funny that some think Purdy is a consolation prize, too. Like we’re so great we can just land him. Better teams will get in on him. He’s not great, but he’s good enough to have better offers than he currently does or us.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            But MR put three QBs in the NFL, and another one is a P5 head coach.

            Sprinkle in some god, and we’re golden.

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            Anytime the topic of how many QB’s Riley put in the NFL is mentioned I think it begs the question: Do we want the Beavs to prepare guys for the NFL or do we want to see the Rose Bowl?

            As an example, Mannion set records for passing while MR said, disingenuously, “we need to run more”. Many here agreed and felt a credible and wisely used run game would have led to markedly better W/L records. But, Mannion made it to The League.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            That all the QBs are back-ups says more. All three were probably going to develop to be NFL QBs. They all had obvious internal drivers that were apparent in HS. They’re the kind of players who would go be back-ups at USC and still get in the NFL. But they chose to develop under Riley.

            That’s a fine enough decision. The guy knows football and technique. But he isn’t a killer. And that’s most apparent when looking at the data on halftime scores v. final outcomes. In all the games MR has coached in college, you can count on one hand the number of wins after losing at halftime.

            The NFL is a 4th quarter league.

            *This is an old point, so his Nebby numbers might change that. But I don’t care enough to look, and I’m pretty sure it doesn’t change much.

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          Man, I’d like to think CJS could land Purdy, but who knows. Seems like a quality kid. Good grades, volunteer work, etc.

  • angry angry says:
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    Question for those of you who made it to the CSU game this year: how is Fort Collins?
    Have a job opportunity in FC or Denver.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      My in-laws live in FC and I’ve spent some time there. It’s a really nice town. A lot of tech companies combined with the college make it a smarty pants town. Higher incomes and education levels, and all those things that come with it. I would easily pick FC over Denver if given the choice, but that depends on if you’re a more big city guy or not. FC has easy access to the foothills and traffic is reasonable (although everyone in CO drives like fucking psychos compared to Oregon). Great beer and bike town if you’re in to that (which I am). Live within 3 miles of work and ride your bike to work and you will thank the sweet jesus for your life choices. The downtown has character and people have a sense of pride in the place. FC was a close second to Bend. The weather is a lot like Bend’s actually.

    • Alpha Alpha says:
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      Both are cool, but FC is the winner winner chicken dinner

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      great town. Loved it there; good restaurants, drinking holes, coffee shops, boutique hotels. I was at Boulder for the game in ’14 and I think Ft. C. compares favorably.

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        Agree. It reminds me of Ann Arbor, MI. My oldest brother went to school there and boy has it changed.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    We should have made Mitch Barnhart the pac12 commissioner.

    http://amp.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article194245494.html

    • scotty says:
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      Yeah, we hired a women’s tennis commissioner to head an organization that relies most heavily on football and basketball. What could go wrong?

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Rikey contract info. Actually really cheap:

    Mike Riley’s annual base salary at Oregon State is $50,004, according to university documents.
    So for those of you wondering how his new employment would affect his #Huskers buyout, Nebraska will now owe him $165,833/month instead of $170,000/month.
    Riley also signed his new contract this past Tuesday (Jan. 9).
    Riley will receive a signing bonus of $35,000 within 60 days of his contract going into effect. He’ll also get another $35,000 retention bonus if he is still employed by Oregon State on Feb. 29, 2019.

    Via @erinsorenson on twitter

    • angry angry says:
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      Nebraska is going to sue us for paying him under market rate, now.
      More problems from Riley!

      • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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        What’s market rate for a part time TE coach who doesn’t recruit?
        That’s basically the job of a grad assistant who will give advice on the side.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Has anyone checked the Nebby sites today to see if this has been picked up? I know they’re really frosty over Pelini going to FCS and how little he gets paid there. This is less than half that amount.

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            This comment perfectly describes how professional OSU is being… all begun by a bad hire, aka the gift that keeps on giving. It’s in response to someone who said, “let it go because it makes us look petty,” then later recanted on the grounds that academics are being cut in the state, but MR is getting $2m per year for coaching OSU.

            NO

            Letting this go makes us look bad…very bad. They will be sending in the lawyers, I guarantee it. Expect OSU to announce a pay raise for Riles here soon. NU wins the lottery if they decide to go to court and challenge us…..then our lawyers will move to have the contract voided because Riley is clearly in violation of a contract that he signed and agreed to follow.

            Posted by BledRed on Jan 12, 2018 | 2:46 PM

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            It’s a good thing the Nebby AD isn’t some aggressive, money-grubbing type who knows anything about our state or OSU football.

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        Don’t they sort of deserve it for being stupid enough to hire Riley in the first place? Yes, I know Eichorst is gone, but he could not have been the only one who signed off on the debacle that was MR@Nebby.

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      so, his actual salary this year is about 110k and you can be sure that retention bonus will roll over each year, so he’s getting 85k a year. still overpaid.

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        Cost/Benefit analysis on paying him to stay home?

        • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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          Aside from the monetary cost, I still don’t like that he’s taking up a coaching job that could be filled by somebody who is actually motivated to do a good job.
          Who was passed over for him?

          Also, wasnt he already on the road with JS and conducting interviews in the Valley Center prior to being on contract(signed jan 9th)?
          Do we need to prorate his contract to cover that period?

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      Signing and retention bonuses?

      Really OSU AD?

      His market value is whatever the positions he turned down would be. So it turns out it was really dumb to tell the story he did about those opportunities existing when he created and asked for whatever weird position he holds at OSU.

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      Showed this to my buddy and he pointed out the next leap year is 2020, not 2019….so does this mean he’ll never see his ‘retention bonus’?

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        Kinda blows the credibility thing out the window.

        Who reported this?

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    OT: PAC WVB Frosh of the year, Kylee McLaughlin, transfers to OU. Well so much for the VB
    renaissance. She must like good football. Luck O da Beavs.

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    @erinsorenson doesn’t tell anyone anything.

    I guess the date is a clever thing.

    Yay… more joke consequences of re-rehiring MR. I suppose we’ll never be rid of them now. Anything regarding him and OSU is believable.

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    On cue CSU offers Purdy.

    Why do I have a good feeling about Crocker?

  • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver says:
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    Danny Moran has a little more salary info:

    Riley = $50,004(plus 35K signing bonus)
    Lindgren = $500,004
    Michalczik = $425,004
    Cookus = $200,004
    McDonald = $200,004
    That’s all he has so far since other guys were hired later.

    Overall, OSU is paying out less in 2018 in total football salary than they did in 2017, by about $40K. (But he didn’t mention the salaries we’re still paying out to the McGivens and Clunes of the world for 2018, if they don’t get rehired somewhere else)

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Glad to see OSU knows how to operate in good faith.

      I’d say Jake Cookus is worth four times Mike Riley. Wouldn’t you agree, Nebraska?

      We’re a bigger joke than we were 24 hours ago.

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        I wonder what the “4” on the end of each total represents? The article mentioned Smith’s salary from UW, and it had an “8” on the end.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Nebby fan thinks it’s code for how many wins he had last year, and it’s just taking an embarrassing “fuck you” and making it worse.

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          Footnotes to fine print?

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    Dave and Scott keeping up the good fight on JBS today.

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    Looks like OSU is making an effort to pick up a Juco RB before next year. Had seen some recent rumors that Tyner isnt coming back, so maybe that’s true.

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      Riley had an in-Home Visit with Lindsey Scott. Decision due Monday.

      Supposedly a visit with JC QB Matt Struck scheduled for next week? Anyone know anything About Him?

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    Riley had an in-Home Visit with Lindsey Scott. Decision due Monday.

    Supposedly a visit with JC QB Matt Struck scheduled for next week? Anyone know anything About Him?

    • angry angry says:
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      If we could get Purdy and Scott I’d feel pretty good. Not into Struck at all.

      • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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        I wouldnt read a whole lot into the struck info. We ‘re visiting Riverside Juco, which is where he goes to school. Dont know if we’re going specifically to see him, or maybe just to check out some Juco linemen.

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          We could use some JUCO d linemen, that’s for sure…

          What’s your best guess on Scott? I hope Purdy takes a visit that first weekend in Feb

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      Start a gofundme account for Tinkle, Casey, and JSmith so that they can voice their disapproval of PAC12 refs after each Beav game throughout the year. Get it on the record and they don’t have to worry about the ridiculous fines for objecting to getting robbed by the PAC12 refs yet again.

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      The Pac is fining him for them leading him into a publicly audible space to air his complaints?

      Poorly planned.

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    Can we give Jonathan Smith a negative retention bonus for Riley? As in he loses money each year the gum chewer sticks around

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      It’s built in.

      Mike Riley is like radiation in large, steady doses.

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    https://twitter.com/angrybeavs/status/952015658237112320

    And the Chuckle Heads then say Andersen left the cupboard more bare than Riley did in ’14 (not sure I agree with that). They’re clearly setting up a narrative, if the Beavs do improve next year, that it’s because of Riley and no credit to Andersen’s players.

    • BeaverBeliever BeaverBeliever says:
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      Can we stop calling people like this OSU fans?

      Because it’s pretty clear to me at this point that they’re bigger fans of Riley than they are of the university.

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        “Enablers” or “apologists” might be better terms for them.

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        *Trump/America

        Same stupidity.

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          I agree Jack, same stupidity, there are those that love Riley some that hate Riley and then the Silent majority that stays quiet because they get blasted by the idiots on both sides when they say the world is not coming to an end. It is easier to just lump all people that don’t agree with you as being stupid. This is the “new” free speech practiced all over American college campuses.

    • Bill says:
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      Andersen left no viable QBs. I’d say that’s leaving it pretty bare.

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        Not really.

        Find one QB… done.

        After Riley… find about three-quarters of a team… and one QB.

        Don’t take the time to form bullshit into apples so you can compare them to oranges. It just makes your hands stinky.

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      Heard this argument on Joe Beaver Show today. It was the first time they proposed that GA left the cupboard more bare than Riley 2.0. It is revisionist history. Jon said that the cupboard wasn’t bare for GA but he ran off all of the good talent. Now GA left nobody to play for JS.

      Not true according to Jim WIlson’s end of year assessment. The pro-Riley defense is too much to bear some days. Often becomes a defense of him as a person rather than a simple examination of his game management, program trend, leadership and vision, which he was lacking in all parts at the end and confirmed at Nebraska.

      • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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        “He’s a great man…”

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          This about the guy who has to decide whether or not to sue Nebby when they dock his payments by about $300k per year because he chose to publicly embarrass them with his baloney contract?

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        “Often becomes a defense of him as a person rather…”
        Exactly. Wonder if this occurs because John/Mike and other supporters are too close personally to MR to see the forest for the trees?

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          Oddly, they have to make it a false attack on his person before it can become an attack on his person. If being a football coach is all that defines Mike Riley, the person, then he and his supporters have been openly lying to everyone for decades.

          Nebby fan is confused right now because s/he thought Bikey was a decent dude. See… OSU is only a douche for paying him less than anyone in FBS. We’re not on the hook for his chiseling fraud. He chose to (reportedly) snub his nose at his contract that he signed. This is not an anomaly with this man.

          When someone tells you exactly who they are, believe them.

          He’s objectively not a good head coach. He really has never been so. He had a couple apex years and great players leading us to some third place finishes in the Pac after he took over a team that was log-jammed at 4th and had won the conference… after he broke the team down and rebuilt it to be middling.

          Conflating his coaching with his person is on his supporters. This contract doesn’t help the person side of him if he didn’t ever want to be thought of by anyone as a fraud. But that’s his neat deal.

          He’s a quitter.

          He’s a two-time quitter.

          If anyone thinks that’s a personal attack, then they’re just dumb. Unless they can prove that he didn’t quit twice, then he’s a two-time quitter. I they think that’s a bad thing to say about someone, then maybe they should ask the person who did it why he did it… twice?

          Instead, they make up straw men about how calling it like Bike Smiley called it is a personal attack of some mysterious kind.

          Did these people grow up in lazy-ville with lazy parents?

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            If you made the argument that his last year at OS, Mike Riley phoned it in and quit then I could buy your argument. Taking a better job with the NFL and Nebraska is getting promoted not quitting. You can say it 500 more times but it is still a silly argument.

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            What’s silly?

            That he quit? I have no issue with him quitting. I have a slight issue with his being oblivious to anything professional in asking to come back, twice. But it’s not his fault that he was rehired or re-rehired, giving him the sense that OSU is a bunch of schmucks that you can quit on with no consequence.

            I’m not sure what you think is silly. Is it silly that every single God damned thing that has happened regarding his perception during his re-rehire is happening as I have said it was going to happen? That’s not because I’m some prescient being. It’s because whenever someone hires a quitter, this stuff happens. Quitters are quitters. They quit in the middle of games and go hang out with their best friend and giggle outside the officially designated team area on a sideline during a game. They have family scuttle the team where they quit twice while they quit in the middle of the season on their current team, all in the name of returning to the team where they quit twice… because they know that team and school is a bunch of lazy, apathetic schmucks with expectations that don’t even rise to the level of having simple best management practices in place.

            You think that’s silly?

            I think you don’t care, so why should I?

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            If there’s one thing we’ve learned in all this, it’s that Bo Pelini has more self-respect than Mike Riley based on salary demands and job titles alone.

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    Hearing Colletto will be a Beav if offered. Meeting with Smith and Lundgren tonight. 4 years to play 3 via Az Western and Camas HS. Offers from Memphis and Vandy but wants to play Pac 12.

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      Who the hell is Colletto? This guy? Hahaha
      https://www.hudl.com/profile/3921383/jack-colletto

      If that’s our QB we better move our Uni to Canada.

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        He throws off his front foot every play and kicks his back foot up before releasing. I’m no expert but I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an exxagerated back foot while throwing. Is he a pitcher?

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        Why? He has pretty damn good numbers from his high school film, although his inteceptions aren’t shown. And he hits your magical 60% completion mark at 63%. Better than anything on the roster right now.

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          He’s hot trash.

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            14-0. 2800+ yards passing, 27 tds, 4 Ints, 1200+ yards rushing and 21 tds. And graduated with a 3.9 GPA. Yes his throw is goofy, but what in those stats makes him” hot trash”.

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            What do you want from me? I’m not a fan at all. If you are, enjoy the great get.

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            Like your opinion man. Not one liners. His stats are better than any QB in recent memory at OSU. And you love to evaluate talent, you’ve been pretty spot on with And.

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            *QBs

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            Thanks.

            I gave my opinion, though. This guy is worse than Luton, IMO. You want me to break down why? It’ll have to wait until tomorrow. I’m not sure it’s worth it unless he becomes a Beav, though. Kinda a waste of time if he’s not even a Beav.

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            That’s fair.

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            Check it and see.

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            He’s not a pocket passer (the leg kick looks ridiculous), but he is a decent runner and can throw on the run. Wildcat option at best.

            He has highlights playing defense, so perhaps he’ll be converted to safety.

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        Colletto is one of the guys I mentioned last night. I can confirm he’s in contact with OSU and they initiated, but that’s all I know at this point.

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          And you were correct. No offer yet following the visit tonight. According to a friend of his family OSU is interested but we (OSU) still have other options on the table.

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            Weird leg kick thing aside he throws with a lot of touch and is accurate as hell. I’m intrigued

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    WBB: The German says, “No Sale”, scores 20 in 38 minutes as good gals win 57-54 over #18 ASU.
    1 of 7 Three pointers, 15 TO’s
    Realtor looking as wild as ever, maybe eyes bugging out a bit more. She has TWENTY seasons at ASU, that climate may lead to bug eyes?

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      I was at this game, and it was enjoyable. OSU handled ASU’s full court press much better than I’ve seen them do before, though ASU wasn’t as agressive when pressing as they could have been.

      Offensive boards and turnovers were a concern still. Rueck’s offense is a bit high-risk-high-reward when passing, which pays off when they’ve got outside players who get the reward more often. It’s a fairly young team but there’s a lot of potential for future seasons.

      Down the stretch, ASU didn’t handle the pressure well when OSU took the lead. It was over when Ryan fouled out in the last minute. I couldn’t believe ASU had her in that position.

      OSU only made one three (and attempted seven), but it came at a good time to pull the Beavs within two at halftime as time expired.

      So, plenty to work on but a good win.

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        “…a lot of potential for future seasons”
        Destiny Slocum

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          And with the 3 incoming freshman, I can see some players possibly moving on. PT is going to be tough to come by next year.

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            Aleah Goodman is hopefully on that transfers. She’s a turnover machine, dribbles way too much without protecting the ball and slows down the offense. She didn’t get much PT in the fourth last night and that was a good move by rueck. She hits an occasional three but not much upside IMO. I don’t see her getting much PT next year with pivec, katie and Destiny. I just don’t think she has the skill set to play in the Pac.

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            She’s a frosh with limited minutes, and you want her off your team?

            Yikes.

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            I just don’t think she’s Pac12 material. She’s not very quick, she’s not a great ball handler, she picks up her dribble and gets trapped way too often, and she stalls the offense. I also don’t think she’ll get much PT next year or the year after with Slocum, Pivec, etc. on the floor. I’m not sure why she gets as much PT as she does as Kalmer is a much better option than Goodman. I could be wrong, but for a FR she certainly doesn’t seem polished enough in many aspects of her game to merit PT. I suppose that’s why Rueck sat her for much of the 4th quarter last night. Personally, I think AG should have set on the bench for most of the season based on what I’ve seen so far…I’ve watched her 4 times in person at Gill at floor level and you can tell she’s often over-matched. I realize she’s a FR but I just don’t see her potential…..

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            Plus, every game that I’ve seen her play, she has played plenty of minutes to show whether or not she’s ready. IMO, she hasn’t proven it yet but maybe that’ll change next season, but I don’t think so….

          • Jack Jack says:
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            A coach always expands the roster early to see who is having good and bad days. I wouldn’t expect a frosh to be much good in conference play. But if she does have a good day, she will get 4th quarter time when the roster tightens to six or seven.

            A good coach will run +/- in his or her head. But it won’t be based on individual +/-. That’s only a fun and vague stat. It will be based on which line-ups work against the opposition. That’s how you define your 4th Q roster.

            If a frosh starts earning crunch time, then you have a star on your hands. If not, s/he’s developmental.

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        I didn’t get a chance to watch this one. What was the story with Tudor? She’s OSU’s second leading scorer (or was) and goes scoreless again with 5 TO’s. That’s the third game now, I think she’s taken one shot in the last three games, after the 27 pts against WSU. Gulich heroics goes only so far. Good thing this game was at Gill.

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          She had several TO’s and got pulled in favor of Kalmer.

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      Yeah, I noticed her eyeballs during the break…weird looking chic….

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    I like Kalmer–collectively many missed open jumpers last night, but at least they were good looks.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      One of the funniest things I’ve heard a coach yell at courtside:

      [player’s name]!!! There’s a reason you’re always open out there!!! Stop shooting the goddamn ball!!!!

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        In college, I had a friend who played in high school. She couldn’t shoot but she racked up assists like nobody’s business. They gave her a new position: “passing guard”.

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      She can handle the ball better than any of the guards and seems to be the quickest.

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    Hey AB’s…. After years of lobbying from the wife we’re giving the “snow bird” thing a try. Left Oregon on 1-2 for a three-month trail in the Valley of the Sun. It’s OK…. miss the Oregon weather and my local boys. This place is full of smug, pot-bellied, self-satisfied Trump lovers from snow bound mid-western hell-scapes. They think nine holes of golf in a cart followed by a half-dozen gin and tonics is an exercise program. Oh-well.

    I’ll be at the MBB game today. Nike buddy hooked me up with supposedly behind the bench tickets. Look for good ole PBH… goofy glasses and all if you watch on tv.

    Been following the football news. JS seems very methodical and measured. Wonder if he can manage game day situations. Bet they lead the league in delay of game penalties next year.

    Also wonder about the Riley deal. Does that guys greed know no limits!

    Anyway… Happy (belated) New Year.

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      If we get a verified shot of Jerry Pettibone behind the bench today, I’ll buy that old Beaver statue off of you!

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      Happy New Year to you as well!
      First baseball game is Feb 16, you can treat the wife to a late Valentines Day (Surprise?) outing!!

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      I’m sure you will like your visit to Tempe today Coach. You’ll be reminded of the Oregon you miss with the abundance of homeless, liberals and the waft of reefer in the air up and down Mill Ave.

  • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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    Keith Jackson has passed away. RIP. “Whoa nellie”

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      I didn’t realize he was still alive.

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        Well technically he’s not now

        Actually he wasn’t bad on baseball w he did big playoff games in the 70’s

        • Big Beav says:
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          WHEN he did big playoff games in the 70’s. He was so good in football that people forget he did other sports too

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        I was just thinking about him the other day. I seem to remember him calling a game in 99 or 2000 that we played in. But I might be incorrect on that. Anybody else remember?

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          He called the 2000 Civil War.

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            Nope that was Fox sports Scott Linn and Todd mckin called the game. Jackson was an ABC sports guy I believe.

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            Good memory; I just looked on YouTube and Keith called the 2001 Civil War.

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      Liked his work, brought enough of his own style and personality to the work without it being overbearing. Some of these guys think THEY”RE the entertainment instead of the game.

      Too bad he never called an OSU victory in “The Grandaddy of ‘Em All!”

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    I heard Mike Riley was the first one to call Nall and try to recruit him to stay at OSU. Not a good sign, the head coach should be making that call.

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      Nall was a Riley recruit, likely has little to no relationship with Smith. Smith should definitely have made a call as well but having the guy that got Nall to OSU originally call isn’t a bad thing.

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        OSU was Nall’s only offer. Not exactly a hard sell.

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        I dunno that Nall was too impressed by it. He hadn’t talked to Riley since the team meeting when Riley left. Still think going to the NFL was the right personal decision for the guy but I don’t know that I love the process of how it played out. Just another little piece of info that is not a huge deal but taken together with the other little pieces of info dropped here paints a bit of a concerning picture.

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          I think it was a bad decision but I don’t think he gets drafted.

          I just have a hard time getting worked up over any of the news before we’ve even had a chance to see some on field results.

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            I think it was a fine decision, even if he doesn’t pan out and is out of the NFL that is 1 less year of taking hits. I say you always go early if you have any bit of a chance. With the possible exception of QB since your really need the live reps. And yeah I agree, no sense in getting too worked up, which I am not doing, but pointing out potential red flags and documenting it makes a ton of sense.

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            As someone with 40K in debt from grad school alone I say that if you can get a free year of grad school that has more value than being a day 3 pick or going undrafted.

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            It’s a great decision. He’ll get drafted 3rd to 5th rounds, make bank, and avoid all the hits.

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            You keep saying that, I’d bet almost anything that he doesn’t go before round 5 (and even that is higher than is likely). No way he goes in round 3.

            To go in the first 3 rounds he’d need to be amongst the top 10-12 RBs in the draft. He isn’t even close to that level in the eyes of the NFL

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            He was told he is likely a 3rd day pick

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            3rd day is round 4-7, right?

            That’s about right. I’d expect the high end of that. Considering he passed up his senior year for the risk I think several teams must have told them they’re interested.

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          I have no doubt he will end up on a practice squad/bottom end of roster and make a couple hundred grand over the next few years. I just think he could have improved his draft stock with another year and that money was still there in 2019 either way. Unless you are guaranteed to go on day 1 or 2 another year of college is the smart move. That is just my opinion.

          That said, he should have grad transferred so for the Beavs it doesn’t matter a whole lot.

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            Are you bearish on Nall because you didn’t watch games, didn’t like him for personal reasons, think NFL GMs are dumb, etc? I just don’t understand how you can watch him and think he doesn’t project. From a draft site:

            Oregon State senior RB Ryan Nall kept his jersey clean better than any other back in the country, earning the highest elusive rating (160.9) of any FBS running back with at least 90 carries last season.
            Feeding into his high elusive rating, Nall forced 47 missed tackles on the ground and he also added another seven forced missed tackles on his 22 receptions.
            In addition to his ability to make defenders miss, Nall proved he could simply run through his opposition. He ranked No. 1 among all FBS running backs with over 110 in yards after contact per attempt (5.03).
            Nall stayed up through first contact on 40 percent of his rushes last season, ranking No. 5 among draft-eligible running backs.

            Behind an awful OL no less. All it takes is one wise team. The only legit knock on him is injury prone.

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            I like Nall just fine. I watched plenty of OSU games (all of Nall’s games except the last 3 Andersen coached).

            I am bearish on him because I’ve watched the NFL draft since I was a kid and RBs with Nall’s skillset do not get drafted in the early rounds of the NFL draft very often.

            It doesn’t only take “1 wise team” because a “wise team” won’t draft a guy in Round 3 when they can get him in Round 6. Even John Schneider took Bobby Wagner in Round 2 and waited till Round 3 for Russell Wilson even though Schneider 100% wanted Russell Wilson.

            I admit its 100% possible someone takes him in Round 6 or 7 (maybe even Round 5) because at that stage of the draft its impossible to predict what players a team will take. It often comes down to a list of players they consider similar talents and they take the guy they think they are less likely to be able to sign after the draft as often as they take the guy they deem to be the most talented.

            He absolutely will not go in the first 4 rounds of the draft unless he lights up the combine. If that happens than I will re-evaluate my stance.

            And note: I am in no way saying he does not project to the NFL. Lots of guys that I that project to the NFL don’t get drafted until day 3. This is especially true at the RB position. RBs like David Johnson and Alvin Kamara don’t go until Round 3. That is the kind of talent that is still available in Round 3 of the NFL draft at the RB position most years. Nall does not project to be that type of player at all.

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            Take Gerhart…he was a trash RB, yet he ran behind a great college line. A team bit on him. You really think he was better than Nall? Nall has so much more speed and elusiveness. Gerhart goes round 2. It’s why I say 3-5 is likely. Some team will see the reality.

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            He has game speed that’s probably better than what his 40 yard dash times will be, has no major character issues that are a red flag and doesn’t appear to have work ethic issues. I know some here said he did not put forth high, consistent effort this past season but I didn’t see enough games to know if that was true. If so, that might be another legitimate criticism, the other being injury prone. I think Jack pointed out Nall whiffed on some pass blocking and is weak there.

            I think its a RB-rich draft, and I think the value on RBs has returned towards previous high values, though not as high as it was historically.

            I tend to think OAK or AZ could take him. NE? I could see him being drafted by round 5.

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            Fair assessment. I think that’s worst case. Jets sure can use him.

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            Look you are entitled to that belief. We will find out in May. Just because some team bought the Gerhart Hesiman hype in 2010 doesn’t mean Nall goes Round 2. Even NFL teams can get enamored with a ‘name’. Its why Tim Tebow goes Round 1.

            Gerhart doesn’t prove anything about when Nall will get picked. You will see 10-12 backs go in the first 3 rounds. I don’t think Nall is one of the first 20 backs picked. I just don’t.

            And that is not because I dislike Nall. Its based on paying attention to draft trends. Nall isn’t a top 3 round talent/name.

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            And make no mistake, being injury prone isn’t a minor red flag. NFL teams have 53 roster spots, players that struggle to stay on the field are valued less than players that stay healthy.

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            We should put a wager on it. I can’t imagine being a GM and letting Nall slip past the 5th…

          • Jack Jack says:
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            If Nall is blocking, Nall can slip by into the 6th untouched.

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        No.

        You don’t big-time someone you want to keep on your roster. Having the guy who made him gain bad weight and play LB call him first was probably not a great idea.

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    I’m heading over to the women’s gymnastics at Pitt, should be fun.

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      Fun evening with my youngest daughter. The OS team beat Pitt fairly soundly. The coaching staff for OS was not happy with the judging on the vault. I’m not anywhere near an expert in gymnastics, but I do know a coach that feels they are getting homered. It was good to see a coach dealing with it.

  • marcodg marcodg says:
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    Interesting uniforms on MBB. I kinda like them.

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      They look like swimming trunks from the 1890’s.

  • angry angry says:
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    Men’s BB looks good. How long before the refs start jobbing them?

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      They can’t hold or expand a lead on the road.

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      Swallowed whistles and the ASU comeback is completed. It doesn’t take very many blown calls to change the momentum of a game and this is one of those examples. Once the Beavs went up by 13, they no longer shot foul shots. Difference in defense for ASU is that now you know you can foul without getting called for it, turns into poor turnovers for the beavs and runout layups for asu just like UA the other night. Not quite a lost weekend but the beavs led late in both games of the toughest road trip on the schedule. COuld be a sign of good things to come, apart from refs taking over games and deciding it for the players.

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        there were so many fouls that both teams were in the bonus with 10 mins to play ugh

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      I think it was about 38 minutes? Prevent defenses lose football games and prevent offenses lose basketball games, why don’t coaches understand this? Beavers dribbling around until five seconds on the clock and then throwing up a prayer cost them another game.

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      This team is good, I wish they would just believe in themselves. The young team lacks confidence, they played with both schools on the road and for the most part showed they were the better team. But they play like they listen to all the critics who say they won’t win so they wait for something bad to happen,instead of just going out and playing for the full 40minutes. Maybe it’s Tinkle or maybe its just youth, need some leadership on the team like GP when things start to go South you are able to overcome. They haven’t figured that out yet. But when they do they will be very good. There isn’t a team in this league I don’t think they can’t beat. I am not afraid of either AZ or Asu at home or in Vegas.

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    Arizona State cheerleaders are hot. Check the battery on Gary Andersen’s ankle bracelet.

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    Damn, tune in just in time to hear the Bears lose by 2….

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    Very tough loss, but we definitely had a chance to win it. If we play that good for the rest of our away games, we’ll be going to the NIT at worst.

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    Pretty funny how #TPB are saying hiring Riley for cheap is a douche move on our part, when they’re the ones who “stole” (LMFAO) him from us in the first place!

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    Okay, reading all the Nall stuff, be honest. Which will you remember him for more: The Civil War win, or fumbling away the Stanford game? BE HONEST

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      I don’t remember him for either. But out of those two, the CW win.

      I remember him most for being so fast and elusive for his size. Really would love to see him return for another year, so this one hurts. Few players leaving hurt my calloused soul!

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      CW win. That kind of nose for the goal line will be appreciated by somebody (that’s why I think maybe NE). Also, the long runs, eluding, breaking tackles, then leaving DBs behind.

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        The speed/long runs were majestic and what stands out. I’ve never seen a RB that big run that fast behind a shit line where the C is a crappy big-headed walk-on. Haha. It was amazing. He’s a total freak. He could even play LB in the NFL.

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        Outrunning hole’s 180# secondary at 235#. That run when he put on the brakes on the sideline and let that hole defender fly right by. I could watch that gif a million times.

        If you watch that Stanford fumble the ball was kicked out of his hand by his own player. How the fuck do you prevent that?

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          Precisely. Wasn’t it the big-headed walk-on Houston who knocked it out of his hand?

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            I think it was the TE. That ogre nose tackle blew him up if I recall.

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            Wily-Matagi half-assed a wham block and got blown up. His hip hit Nall in the basket, and Nall belched leather.

  • angry angry says:
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    Poll up on the Nall debate on Twitter:

    https://twitter.com/angrybeavs/status/952363261961236481

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      Just a note, this is just on his draft status, not what I think he’d do in the nfl.

      We’ve can go round and round about this but he’s likely a 6th round at best and most likely undrafted.

      So many factors working against him,

      – 40 time. I think he’ll run 4.65 at best. His size is what hurts him. Few backs in the NFL are his size. Derrick Henry would be the most current comparable. Nall is essentially a poor man’s Derrick Henry. Sj ran 4.45 and I don’t think Nall is that fast. He’s a second level guy.
      – what position he says he’ll be. I don’t see him doing full back because he’d have to learn the position.
      – There are a lot of backs with more production who are draft eligible. The less that declare will help.
      – His health. He couldn’t stay healthy for a while year. Huge red flag.
      – fumbles – another ding. Esp fumbling in critical situations.

      Too many red flags to justify a high draft pick. He’s be a take a late round flyer on the guy pick at best.

      I’m not sure how anyone can justify Nall being picked before the 6th round. I’m all ears.

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        This is why: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-2018-prospect-preview-ryan-nall-is-one-of-the-hardest-backs-to-tackle-in-all-of-college-football

        He was #1 in all of college football in key stats, while running behind a shit line comprised of a walk-on center. 6 YPC career average running behind horrible OSU lines. Consistently played faster than any 40 time and blew by elite speed in Oregon, USC, etc.

        The injury concerns are real and will drop him a bit. Fumble concerns are overblown.

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          Pretty thin case there. If his production backed up those stats, sure but they don’t. Never cracked 1,000 on the ground. Doesn’t eliminate any of the numerous red flags.

          I’m sure some nfl teams will try to sneak him under the radar. But not before the 6th. Most will try to get him as an undrafted free agent.

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            Why kind of production do you want? Bad line, had runs of 75, 89, 65. 6 YPC avg. Converted goal line TDs. What else you want?

            Who gives a shit about 1000 yards. That’s an awful benchmark. Man…lifelong Jets fan. Curtis Martin would break 1000 yards every year on a 3.9 average. So overrated. Remember Jerome Bettis and his 3.9 career average? lol. So slow, and broke 1k maybe half his seasons, and at a low YPC. YPC is all that matters.

            Bottom line is just watch the guy. He is huge and agiley avoids fast defenders and then pulls away from them. That’s all I, as a scout, would care about. Nall could be moved to LB in the NFL and kill it, too, so there’s that.

            You guys are kind of funny. Complain I criticize for no reason, then you criticize one of the best players in uni history who is a legit NFL talent. He’s a better prospect than Quiz, who went in the 5th.

            Only legit knock on Nall is health. Fumbles, blocking, etc all overblown/false because people are upset at this false notion he quit on the team and want to knock him to feel good about themselves. I hope the Jets get him.

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            Fumbles, blocking, etc all overblown….

            Utter bullshit. His faults cost us games. I hesitate to say that he was anything beyond half-assing the first part of the season, but his actual play could lead a conspiracy theorist to think he was trying to sabotage the team.

            That’s how awful his play was this year, and NFL GMs will see the same thing. That decent O-line you say was bad was bad because he was making them look bad. AP and TT made them look decent. Nall’s 2017 tape screams prima donna. He does none of the little or extra things.

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            You’re cherry picking examples from the 90s using nfl stats. I am not looking at any of their NFL stats. How many guys with nalls overall college stats and physical size have been drafted high in recent years? He never had a breakout year to say he’s worthy of something as high as the 3rd round. I’m justifying why he won’t be drafted as high as you think. Nall may become a successful back but he won’t be drafted very high.

            I don’t think Nall quit. These are legit concerns in his play that will be exacerbated at the next level which lowers his draft stock.

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            There are a lot of those 3.9 awful backs. I’m not cherry picking.
            They get by on longevity and gain a great reputation that way. But they aren’t difference makers or game breakers. Accumulators don’t do it for me. Give me game breakers.

            Nall didn’t quit. He was hurt, and GA also fucked with his entire career. The LB/RB playing weight fiasco. But then take, for example, when Nall complained he didn’t get enough touches last year. GA then barely gives him the ball the next few games. And people complain he doens’t have 1k yards. Yeah, hard to do with McGiven is having a bozo in Luton chucking the ball around the yard, and your HC is actively playing mind games. I’m not sure if NFL scouts will know all that, but the reality is that players like Nall are rare. Size, speed, agility, and love of the game. I’ll take that over a few fumbles and try to coach those out of him. Injuries are the only legit concern. And as a Jet fan, I pray we take him 3rd or later. We won’t because we’re an awful franchise, though, and well fall for some bigger name from LSU et al.

          • Bill says:
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            If Nall played in the 90s, he’d be a high draft pick but not in today’s NFL.

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            Agree with Bill that 6th round is the highest he could realistically go.

            – Injury concerns

            – Mediocre production (& fumbling)
            You can blame GA for this, but the why doesn’t really matter. He didn’t demonstrate production, while dozens of other backs did (some in bad situations of their own). And in any case, a bad relationship with the coach (for any reason) also won’t reflect well in the mind of a draft scout.

            – Poor blocking

            – Unusual size (and low speed) for the position.
            This is a factor because the NFL is very conservative. Few GMs are willing to risk their careers innovating when “tried and true” is less likely to get them fired if it doesn’t work. High draft picks fit the ideal RB mold- Nall does not.

            His film should look better than his numbers, but there are plenty of reasons for teams to pass.

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          But then take, for example, when Nall complained he didn’t get enough touches last year. GA then barely gives him the ball the next few games.

          Yeah… I’m surprised he wasn’t benched.

          20/20 hindsight says the coaches were whack… or frack… or, what’s the word now… ratch.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      It depends. He could go late 6th round to UFA. If we’re thinking NFL teams don’t care that he never (or can’t) blocks and is injury prone, and all they do is draft for a pure runner, and don’t watch other OSU RBs who didn’t pause for a half hour at the mesh point this last year… maybe 5th round.

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        Of course, Cleveland and Detroit have draft picks up and down the draft.

        So anything’s possible.

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    What is the Isaac Garcia Tweet all about? The Tweet reads like he’s coming back, but I don’t understand how that can happen. Wouldn’t he have to sit out another year? Dude is going to be 40 by the time he plays.

    I don’t understand how some people aren’t on Twitter. By far the most useful social media.

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      Back when he transferred out, i was told it wasnt academics, but it was more about he and the old coaching staff just butting heads too much, so he left.
      So i’m not sure if he could just reenroll and not sit?
      Might be good for DE depth if he does, but he also sounds like potential trouble

  • Bill says:
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    Tough loss but it shows that the level of play doesn’t crap out on the road. Which means they could finish in the middle of the pac. If they can keep improving on defense, they have a very small chance at the dance which is better than the no chance they had at the beg of the conf season.

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      I’m not sure of that their non-conf schedule was super weak. If they would be on the bubble they’ll be booted for sure. Heck, I think I even heard one of the announcers say teams are hurt by playing the Beavers win or lose

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    Here’s come chum boys, have at it!

    http://www.espn.com/espnw/feature/22002385/in-fight-sexual-assault-college-football-brenda-tracy-truth-triumphs?addata=espn:frontpage

    This article makes Clownzano and Riley look like heros…..WOW

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      some*

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      I can’t stand her anymore. Regret standing up for her. She’s good as anti-Riley fodder (i.e. pointing out how he’s an awful guy for overlooking gang rape).

      But man is she annoying. Anyone who turns a negative experience into their identity is pathetic, in my opinion. It’s one thing to lead a cause, but another to make that cause your entire identity.

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        Professional victim.

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          Precisely. Nice summation.

          It sucks what happened to her. She is a victim. But she’s made it her identity, and that’s where she fails.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            That’s really harsh. I had other words to use that I’ll hold back on. Being a full-time advocate who creates change legislatively and interpersonally doesn’t mean that’s her identity. You don’t have the ability to make that call about someone’s identity. Is it up to you to decide how she manages her trauma?

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            Well, I’ve spoken with her on Twitter, and it IS her identity. She’s not a well-balanced person anymore. It’s all she talks about, and she identifies as that on her own account. It says “Rape Survivor” on her Twitter. That is a badge/identifier. Very unfortunate.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Oh I see, you’ve ‘spoken’ on twitter. Her social media presence where she talks about being a rape survivor. Because her being an advocate means also doing that in social media. Too bad she’s not handling it how you think she should.

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            I don’t think about her, so I don’t know how she should handle it, but I do know that living in the past and identifying with something traumatic/awful daily isn’t healthy.

          • angry angry says:
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            It’s basically this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality

            Where something legit bad happened to her, and now that’s her mentality. She’s gotten a lot of attention for her behavior as the victim, so she continues to do it. Just because something bad happened to her in the past, doesn’t mean I can’t judge her present actions. I view them as victim status-ing. It’s virtue signaling/oppression Olympics. That’s why I don’t like it. It’s great to stop meatheads from ganging raping, but it’s not great to watch someone live in the past stuck playing the victim because society is rewarding her for it (with attention, praise). If she’s “managing her trauma” in pubic then yes, I do have a right to comment on it. I have to see it daily on Twitter, and it’s over the top. She preaches and tells others how to live, she panders to sympathy, plays the victim, etc.

            All said, I do think she’s a victim. I do think she’s doing some good things. She’s just over the top now that she’s gotten praise and has decided to make it her complete identity.

            Sorry?

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            Or it is healthy and empowering to take control of something she didn’t have control of at the time. You claim to be psychologically savvy, but now you’re just being judgmental as you push one person’s experience through your own lense of how it should be dealt with.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Really with the ‘virtue signalling’? Borrowing from the so called alt-right lingo now?

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Someone’s public and social media presence does not make up who they are and it’s not enough info for you to make a mental health assessment on them.

          • angry angry says:
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            Probably healthy to an extent, but now she’s mired in it with clowns like Canzano using her to write feel good stories/get hits, social justice warriors getting in her ear for their own causes, etc. None of it really gets to the root of the problem.

            And yes, anyone has a right to judge someone’s public actions. That’s what I’m doing. Why? Because they’re at the point where they irritate me. I used to support her; wrote posts about her here. Now? No. I see through it. What you’re calling judgmental I call an unfortunate reality of the modern age, where someone can get the sugar high of attention and praise for talking about awful events and wearing them as a badge.

            No idea what the alt-right is or their lingo.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            Alt right is a term white supremacists, mainly Richard Spencer, came up with to try and make their message more socially acceptable and get it into the mainstream. ‘virtue signalling’ is one of their terms.

            And I do remember you pushing against Brenda Tracy going to schools to talk to athletes when Canzano wrote about it 4 years ago or whenever it was. You thought it was unhealthy then, too.

          • angry angry says:
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            Gotcha, I don’t follow those people or their lingo.

            My lady listens to the Joe Rogan podcast a lot, and I think she picked it up from there, and maybe explained it to me. Rogan is a huge democrat, though. No clue.

            Anyway, I don’t feel like arguing about this. She’s being rewarded by society for being a victim. That’s the sad state of things in the age of social media. All of us are victims of something (some much worse than what she went through), and we do things every day to get over them and live a full life, yet we don’t seek that sugar high reward. At first I was like “good for her”. Now I find her annoying. It’s that simple. And it’s my prerogative.

            I don’t like victim blaming, either. FWIW.

            You’re free to express your thoughts on it. I’m sure you think it’s healthy, etc. I’ll read them, but I’m done commenting on this because it’s a sensitive issue that will blow up, and I’m not in the mood to argue.

          • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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            I’m not really arguing either. I’m saying respect her process and movement through this. We’re not close enough to her to determine anything she’s doing is unhealthy. People are more than their social media presence and interviews with an idiot at the Oregonian.

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            Cool. Well it happened almost 20 years ago. She’s had plenty of time to move through the process. All I’m saying is that I once sympathized, then I was indifferent, and now I’m annoyed with her. Respect my “movement through the process” of getting over her!

            Maybe the problem is me (cue Angry@angry). Society says so because most people find her inspiring. I find her annoying.

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            Haha. I just realized I used an Andersen quote there!

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            Tracy sort of lost me after she so easily forgave Riley. He may have done a really evil thing through cover up, neglect or indifference, but it seemed glossed over after she hugged him and received an apology. WTF? I don’t think the photo “looked like accountability” at all. I thought it looked more like Riley trying to dodge a bullet (and it seems he successfully did so).

            The ESPN story rehashes the same ground again other then I don’t remember her talking about also being abused as a child and that she originally was going to sue OSU but the statue of limitations had run out. Is she still employed by OSU?

          • Jack Jack says:
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            It says “Rape Survivor” on her Twitter. That is a badge/identifier. Very unfortunate.

            Also… not her fault.

            I’ll bet that she would like to not be a rape survivor. The way she acts, it seems like she doesn’t want anyone to have to go through what she went through.

            So selfish.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            No idea what the alt-right is or their lingo.

            Bullshit. Some of your ideas and verbiage reek of white supremacist tropes as old as the Birchers.

            Simply reek of it.

            If you don’t know of them, you’re sufficiently excused from this discussion for being an idiot know-nothing. Here’s an example of their work:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality

            This is the kind of crap that gives Wiki a bad name. The uneducated dolt who looks at that page won’t think all those [citation needed] tags are Wiki code for, “this is unsupported bullshit that we are givving the author a chance to cite before we pull the plug on this bullshit that wouldn’t fly as a junior HS term paper.”

            The use of SJW is always amusing to me. When warrioring these warriors, what are you warrioring? Could it be your ideal for social justice?

            Well… could it be the ideal for social justice that white supremacists have proselytized for generations and you mimic wholly independently of the knowledge of their existence?

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            Well it happened almost 20 years ago. She’s had plenty of time to move through the process.

            You know this how?

            It only took you 19 years to get over your gang rape, so 20 is enough for her?

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            Ugh!

            Then I read the article.

            If all of that had not happened, I would not be where I am, right now, today, this minute, talking to you. I am absolutely living in my purpose. I am so honored, and I feel so privileged, to be in this position. I feel chosen.

            So I’ll apologize to anyone for thinking that she’s wrapped in this identity. It’s hard not think that when she uses this pervasive religulous language to wrap herself in the event itself. This will also explain why she so readily forgives Bikey. While he’s completely oblivious to how his negative actions affect others, it’s almost not his fault when he just rolls out the god talk and is forgiven for them with little or no consequence.

            He’s not the first to do it. Some of the most vile men to walk this earth have called on their evangelical faith in order to excuse them from the consequences of some really disgusting things.

            But back to her.

            While this is an identity for her, the retelling of her story has little to do with her “victim mentality.” That term, btw, is a bogus idea made up by mental midgets. There are only victims. You don’t stop being a victim. There is a term for a certain type of paranoia called victim complex. That has to do with someone believing they are a constant victim of imaginary slights. It has nothing to do with actually being a victim other than being an untreated one can lead to anxiety-induced conditions such as that.

            Her identity is one of empowerment and change for the better. If you don’t like that she continues to educate young men and state legislatures about the evil that is campus rape, then stop campus rape. Do that, and she’ll have nothing to do, leaving you with nothing to complain about regarding her.

            I will say that her tact that only men can stop this is an incomplete thought. Information only keeps honest people honest. There are some really damaged people out there who have different ideas for what societal norms are or should be. Here’s something a little more thoughtful than that bad Wiki page.
            http://www.zurinstitute.com/victimhood.html

          • angry angry says:
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            Jack’s been triggered.

            Good points, McKalk.

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            If I’m following the thread, Jack started off calling you a John Birch-esque racist and then AFTER reading the article conceded that your opinion had some validity. Look, I think there are many people who have accountability to educate on this ……….parents, teachers, coaches and advocates like Tracy. It’s all needed. My beef is with Riley getting a free pass and Tracy ultimately seems to have played a hand in that through her quasi-religious absolving of the Bikester.

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            Jack’s been calling me a Bircher since 2011 because I’d rather store my savings in gold than US Dollars in an era where our Government is printing dollars like ’87 Topps.

            Some sound and definitive logic there, no?

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Yes, I’ve been accusing you of using Bircher language and ideas since then, probably before that. It’s because you use Bircher language and ideas. You said you weren’t a gold bug, but you used language that has been used by Bircher gold-bugs for generations to forward your thoughts, almost verbatim.

            Victim mentality?

            White supremacist babble that was first intended for blacks. Apparently people who get disproportionately disenfranchised by not the letter but the execution of the law shouldn’t complain that they’re disproportionately disenfranchised by such inefficiencies.

            That language isn’t so pervasive that it applies to thoughtful dialogue. But it is well known to those who would rather have thoughtful dialogues, not be reminded of the crosses that burned in their yards when they were children just because they went to a different church than the righteous on Sundays.

            You want to trigger me? You go right ahead and use your pseudo-intellectual racist tropes and then feign ignorance of their creations and consistent uses as weapons of destruction. I grew up with a grandfather using that trash language, so I know it all too well.

          • angry angry says:
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            Sure, I’m a gold bug and a racist.
            You nailed it again.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            f I’m following the thread, Jack started of calling you a John Birch-esque racist and then AFTER reading the article conceded that your opinion had some validity.

            I conceded that one opinion had validity. That opinion had nothing to do with the white supremacist (or alt-right, as the white supremacist wimps looking for public validation like to call themselves) tropes parried here. So this point where you’re trying to conflate the two is either disingenuous or just mentally lazy.

            I also saw nothing of Tracy wanting to sue OSU. So I don’t know where you read that.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            And the opinion that being a victim is here identity is incorrect. I only apologized (of my own volition) to those who are confused about her identity because of what she says.

            If you don’t want to read the link I posted, fine. But it will clarify what identity she is trying to adopt, one you have a sense of yourself.

          • mckalk mckalk says:
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            “Tracy looked for a lawyer. She felt betrayed by law enforcement and Oregon State University and wanted to sue”

            Sharpen your reading skills, Jackie or better yet read the story closely BEFORE pontificating.

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            I did miss that. Dolphin Boy’s original report said she had zero interest in a lawsuit at the time. I think the sexual assault as a child was reported.

            What was different was that you implied the statute of limitations had run out. There are no limitations on civil suits. The statute of limitations was about the criminal side. The author was poor at describing how they were insufficient AND the CPD fucked up the evidence retention.

            I can’t remember the original, but didn’t an assistant coach threaten her too? I seem to remember something abut assistants contacting sexual assault victims and death threats.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Holy shit.

            There are SOL on civil cases. The acronym is appropriate. I was going by the laws that allowed victims of priests to sue decades later. I need to look into that stuff.

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            Wow. These are pathetic. I’m not sure how states can reconcile the SOL for civil torts to be less than criminal SOLs. We have victims in California suing the state to run rape kits. Bringing these criminals to justice are what it takes most times to get a decision in a civil suit.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Sure, I’m a gold bug and a racist.

            Nope. You’re full of shit when you say you don’t know the what alt-right, the publicly marketed narrative white supremacists have coined for themselves, is. You’ve been told before that the phrasing of your language is almost verbatim to them and the ideas in lock-step.

            You repeating them is your choice, not mine.

          • angry angry says:
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            I don’t pay attention to that stuff, Jack. I like reason and nothing more. If that’s alt-right then I’m alt-right, and if it’s not them I’m not. I tend to vote what most would call “moderate” and last few elections my votes were split between D/R and write-ins/independents. Whoever is best for the job. No party loyalty, and I like it that way. Merit system/best person for the problem at hand. I’ve “wasted” many votes according to the mainstream media by doing this.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            The alt-right is as far from reason as you can get, if that’s the tack you want to take.

            They start by stating a conclusion. Then they cherry-pick a bunch of gooey analogies that have nothing to do with reality in order to prove their conclusion. And most of the time even those don’t work.

            And they have done it using the same language for almost 90 years. Birchers simply adopted it and continued the hypocrisy of shallow platitudes forwarded to cover complex issues in order to distract. If you go to the myths vs. facts page at jbs.org, their “facts” barely rise above “nuh-uh” in terms of reason.

            Your prior use of it was obviously saturated in the creepy filter of gamer-gate, of which you claimed ignorance at that time… and then championed its primary antagonist. And then you sort of let it go when it turned out he was undeniably a creep to even the unreasonable.

            So excuse me if I don’t buy this latest iteration.

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            The arrogance…you know more about my beliefs than me, because of your weird grandfather who you can’t get over. Dang.

            Okay man, I’m an alt-right nazi, you nailed it.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Yeah… I’m the bad guy for pointing out that you used white supremacist language and half-baked pseudo-ideologies… yet again.

            You’re the good guy because you… yet again… have no clue who the people whose ideas you think are reasonable even are… after being told many times who they are and what they believe and how their language is easy to spot because it has no reason whatsoever.

            Participation trophies for everyone! Responsibility is dead.

          • angry angry says:
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            I’m partially black, and about as far from “White Supremacy” as you can get. But awesome instincts, dude.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Oh…

            Then by all means, write and think in the language of dehumanization all you want.

            My bad.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            Btw, I’ve not called you anything. I’ve called out the language and ideas you employ for what they are. The use of them sort of pigeon-holes you as someone who can’t think of this conversation as nuanced. So I’m not surprised that you break a complex subject down into the little dichotomy you did.

            It’s all good.
            https://qz.com/1056319/what-is-the-alt-right-a-linguistic-data-analysis-of-3-billion-reddit-comments-shows-a-disparate-group-that-is-quickly-uniting/

      • Jack Jack says:
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        It’s like starting a blog to speak in support of what you believe.

        It’s un-American.

        Stoicism and regressed terror are best for her.

        We know better.

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          Leave it to Jack and that other lefty loon to resort to calling someone a nazi (modern term alt-right) when ideals go against theirs. Same game, same tactics. Can you get some new content please? P.S. even if Angry was a “nazi” why would that offend him calling him that? It’s same the logic as pointing out a blatant racist as racist as if that is some argument ender.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            You just didn’t read any of it, eh?

            That’s cool.

            It is sort of a neat question about it being a pejorative or not. One would think a full embrace of it would be the way to go instead of the deflections of ignorance and apathy.

            But I can see the other side as well. When you adhere to a singular shallow model so closely that your language and vision conforms to it instead of it being one of many models that informs your life, you start to realize that your inflexibility hinders the breadth and especially the depth of your networking.

            In short, models which require antipathy are useless to people who want to both walk and chew gum.

            Oh…and the nazis are enemies of the USA.

            So there’s that too… not that anyone has been called a nazi here. I did call someone a know-nothing, contingent on that person adhering to his claim of being a know-nothing.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I also don’t think you can claim nazi on this, since you’re the first to bring them up. While they are ethno-supremacist, they are also deeply fascist. They’re a little more organized politically than the othersand, therefore, have a more involved language.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            That’s not to say that white supremacists haven’t adopted some of their language on a superficial level. They have. And it’s obviously superficial. Nazi “science” lingo is like listening to a frosh HS calc student explain triple integrals. The American white supremacists are like second graders mimicking their nazi big brothers with the same lingo. But a true nazi has to forgo religion and magic to at leat try to explain their math. The second graders rely on their magic.

          • Jack Jack says:
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            I suppose if you want a label for what I’m calling out, you can say I’m calling these people sophists. Antipathy and dehumanization are sophist in their roots.

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    Looking at the PAC12 standings and all teams will end up with likely 5-6 losses at least. Does that tell east coast bias honks that the conference is weak again and only deserves 4-5 teams in the tourney? Beavs will be on the outside looking in even if they finish in the top half. Likely they will need to get to 20 wins to even be considered.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    MBB really blew a chance for a signature win.
    If Eubanks had Angry’s GF footwork and fundamentals the team would be so much better.
    He allows the double to come to him and then can’t pass out of it.
    So many misses at the hoop for the team. They should have won by 7-8.
    Team is hamstrung by the lack of a true ball handler. Just like the women.

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      I thought I heard it wrong, but there was some crazy stat about his lack of assists earlier this season. I looked it up, he had six assists in total through the first 13 games of the season! Yesterday was his best game passing with four assists and he still had many plays where he held the ball too long in the double team.

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      Speaking of “Angry’s GF footwork and fundamentals”, she’ll be back at it today at 1 on PAC12. Hopefully, not for a full 38 minutes again; I’d like Joanna Grymek to get some time on the floor both as a relief for Marie and for her own confidence.
      In the “team can’t look ahead but fans can” file………..next weekend is a HUGE opportunity/test for this team!……….that’s right next to water is wet in the file!

  • angry angry says:
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    Speaking of Nall, he just joined Twitter.
    https://twitter.com/Ryannall34/status/952602159744339968

    Yeah, that sure looks like a lazy guy who fakes injuries.

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    I think that if Terron Ward can get carries in the NFL and Tim Cook can make a practice squad after basically playing in one game during the college season, Nall is going to do okay. I actually think he needs to work on his blocking to increase his value. The rest of the stuff is pretty good.

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      I saw everyone’s favorite avocado farmer is on the Raven’s practice squad as well, like that kid but surely Nall is more dynamic. High draft pick no, make it to an NFL roster, yes

  • angry angry says:
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    Can anyone recommend a rotary tool (/Dremel type tool) that’s super high quality and made in the USA, Germany or any other Country known for high quality tools? I am sick of Chinese junk that breaks.

    • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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      I have a dremel (the most expensive one) and a dewalt 20v version. Never had a problem with either. My dremel is used for fine grinding small parts mostly with a flex shaft. It probably has 400 hours on it by now. What are going to use it for?

      • angry angry says:
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        Is there plastic on that Dremel and/or the attachments?
        I’ll be using it mostly for wood work

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          Yes, there’s plastic on the attachments (angle gringing, circle cutting attachment but it seems more robust then the harbor freight one that my dad has. I use mine mostly for aluminium and some mild steel and vhmw plastic. The flex shaft set up is pretty cool because it’s so small, and easier to control then just the motor portion. All of the tooling and collets are metal, and mine has a variable speed dial too.

        • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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          I have the dremel 4300-9/64 its on Amazon plus the flex shaft. You can also get it with a keyless drill type chuck for it, but i have never had a problem with the original style collet getting loose when ive hand tightend it. The 4000 series is just as good also and a little cheaper.

        • angry angry says:
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          Cool, thanks. Those plastic attachments wearing at all? I saw that mentioned in the amazon reviews for those models. Some reviewers say it broke at 1 year, others at 3 years…and it’s made in China, right?

          WFO can probably chime in with a recommendation, too.

          • BlackBandits BlackBandits says:
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            Dont know where its made, but probably china. I used some of the attachments until I became comfortable with free handing most of the work surfaces. I use the attachment to grind the blades on my lawn mower but that’s it now. Everything else is free hand.

          • WFO WFO says:
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            I’m more of a 12 amp Milwaukee straight grinder guy. All of my smaller grinders are pneumatic die grinders.

            If I was going to do more detailed work I’d probably go with the one mentioned above that has the wand attachment, easier to use than holding the whole grinder.

          • angry angry says:
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            Cool, thanks guys. I am against the China stuff/plastic on the bits. Appreciate the suggestions, though, and was able to look into them all more.

            I wound up buying one from the 1970s that was new in the box/USA made. 1/3 the price of modern day made in China ones, too. Crazy. I feel good about it! Should last 40 years instead of 4.

    • JockItch JockItch says:
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      I would go with Bosch. I’ve used their oscillating tools and impact-drivers, and they are worth every penny….German brand, not sure where they are currently assembled though, mine were manufactured and assembled in Germany (roughly 5 years old).

      https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=bosch+rotary+tool&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=229195041314&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11129276622780012570&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029602&hvtargid=kwd-308205636473&ref=pd_sl_59tvtvkjpq_e_p38

      http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/power-tools/cordless-tools/behind-the-scenes-with-bosch-in-germany_o

    • Jack Jack says:
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      If you’re looking to make an investment, go to Foredom for a flex rotary. If you’re just looking for a DIY tool, the Dremel 4200 is the way to go. Proxxon makes a quality tool as well, also quieter. But its cost/benefit isn’t worth it.

      Don’t buy the cordless. You’ll get no consistency from the tool, and it’s just more parts that can break/fizzle.

  • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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    Sumlin to AZ per ESPN. Lame

    • angry angry says:
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      Why is that lame?
      People here say he’s a great coach. Smart hire if he’s great. To me he seemed mediocre at his last gig.

      • AKBeaver AKBeaver says:
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        He’s a solid coach and has talent to work with starting with a good qb. He’ll do better than Richrod. ASU fans must be pissed as many thought he was going to be their coach instead of Edwards.

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          The AZ schools are a bit strange to me when it comes to football. They don’t seem to be consistently good PROGRAMS as they could be; I’d think the weather and good+ facilities would allow them to bring in consistent, high level coaching and player talent. Frank Kush had some sustained success in the 70s, and I’m probably forgetting successful runs. I know AZ has had some good battles with UO (if you don’t like defense), and ASU has had a decent season or two, but Erickson also had some pretty unremarkable years there.

          I dunno….maybe the heat discourages some recruits and and the players are too distracted by weather, skirts and swimsuits….

      • Angry@angry says:
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        “Smart hire if he’s great”. Haha

        Solid opinion.

        • angry angry says:
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          People here say he’s great, but his record is pretty poor given the resources he had. So, yeah, smart hire if he’s actually great. That’s hard for you to understand?

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            Doesn’t that kinda go without saying? Poor hire if he sucks, smart hire if he’s great… you’re not exactly offering anything. Just talking

          • angry angry says:
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            I was trying to understand why he thought it was lame. Hence the first question “Why is that lame?”…then I just elaborated and wasn’t trying to add anything. I was trying to get an answer to a question. Again, nuance lost on you.

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      Great hire by AZ, Fits what they need. Wish we had got him.

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    I’m hearing from a friend I trust that Jack Colletto will receive an offer from OSU today. I’m not an insider so take it for what it’s worth.

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      Must mean Lindsey Scott shot us down, he was going to make a decision tomorrow. Too bad, I thought he looked more dynamic on film.

      • angry angry says:
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        What did Scott say to shoot us down? Missed that.

        https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jack-Colletto-114865/RecruitInterests

        Colletto’s offers. Another Idaho level QB? Great.

        • Bill says:
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          Wrong, idaho state level. It’s like two more levels down.

          • angry angry says:
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            That’s correct.

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            At least he has a Vandy offer.

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            Schools were willing to offer him out of high school if he switched to defense or they would take him as a preferred walk on at QB. He was determined to prove he was a Pac 12 QB and went the JUCO route to Arizona Western in Yuma. AZ Western is a national power and already had former 4 star Bryce Perkins at QB when Colletto got there. Perkins is going to Virginia next year and Colletto earned snaps this season. Some say he was the better QB. I don’t love his mechanics but the kid is smart and a competitor. I hope he becomes a Beaver.

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            5th comment on his tweet about the offer “Don’t donit! Stay away from Mike Riley” lol

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            C’mon, maybe Idaho State is reaching for the stars….swinging for the fences….its all in how you frame it!

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          I’m only speculating that OSU wouldn’t offer to 2 different JUCO guys. I thought one more prep and one JUCO made more sense, but I’m no expert. Since Scott is choosing tomorrow, I would have thought that OSU would have waited on Colletto until after Scott decided.

    • Bill says:
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      He’s a do not offer type guy. Definition of noodle arm.

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      He tweeted the offer 5 minutes ago. I’m hearing it’s a take it or leave it and OSU will move on to the next guy, so I would expect a decision soon if he’s committing.

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    Lady Beavs completely dominated.

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      Rueck on getting his second T in the last few games, “It’s ridiculous (to be getting T’s) but some things were ridiculous so it was necessary”
      Anybody miss the over the back on Marie which led to the T?

      Also said of the crowd at Gill, “we are spoiled by them and I hope they feel a little bit spoiled too”

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        I was at the game and the officiating sucked…after rueck got teed up, the officiating got a little better.

      • angry angry says:
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        I love Rueck. Man crush on the li’l guy.

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        “It’s ridiculous (to be getting T’s) but some things were ridiculous so it was necessary”

        Tinkle needs to take some time in a Rueck class for coaching bball. There is definitely a proper time for forcing a T by the refs.

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          Damn Straight !!

          And, this tweet from Steve Gress of the GT reinforces that point:
          “Well, since Rueck got the T, the Beavers scored the final 10 points of the half and lead 38-27. OSU also got several more calls than the first 16 minutes of the half.”

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    It looks like Banker coached the New Orleans secondary. Wow…what a devastating ending for them.

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      I know the DB fucked up, but when you see plays like that you have to wonder? Vikings home game in the Super Bowl versus the Patriots is probably the match up the NFL wants.

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        Pats/Eagles is probably the best matchup.

        Too bad Wentz got hurt. Foles has been really solid, though. Funny the Eagles backup is worlds better than the Jets’ starters.

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          But you know the Viks playing at home would be a big story line.

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            My nightmare football season rolls on. Just set to send a text to rib a friend and WTF?
            It looked like the Saint DB TRIED to avoid hitting the receiver.

  • bleedorange says:
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    Wow. That Vikings game was crazy!

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      Just watch the replay………how the fuck did he miss that? It wasn’t even close, like he was avoiding the hit altogether. Wow major fuck up.

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        What he said^^^^

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        If you rewatch it, the db was already past the wr as he jumped. NFL will likely never say anything other than great finish but that looked like a WWF dive by the db. Kinda suspicious to be so badly timed and miss the tackle by 2 feet without any contact. Good reason to never bet on sports.

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        (Generous?) Speculation he didn’t want the “defenseless receiver/targeting” call, and subsequent yards and ball placement…maybe…maybe he expected something else from the receiver and just whiffed?

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    Angry,

    Bet? Sure, what are the terms you want?

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Mariota probably sore today…the little bit I watched I think he’d been sacked 5 times and knocked down several others. 8 total sacks, many knockdowns…

    Didn’t see Cooks targeted, see he only ended up with 3 catches/32 yards. He did take DBs deep with him and create some room underneath for others.

    Would like to see Cooks get a SB ring, but wouldn’t want to hear/see the Brady/Trump love fest after…

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    UCLA gets a commitment from one of OSUs main JC DT targets, Baracka Beckett tonight

    • angry angry says:
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      Thank God we have Mike Riley, Ace Recruiter, on our staff.

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        Simple Jack vs. Chip Kelly.

        We all know how this turns out.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    “angry beaver
    angry beaver
    @angrybeavs
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    12m
    Can we please land a legitimate Pac-12 QB? Shouldn’t have to be looking in Idaho and under rugs for a QB. #GoBeavs”

    Seriously. Why is it ao hard to find a guy who would be willing to take a starting job at a Pac12 school. Why is every guy we get the one every other team in the nation overlooked?

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      There was another JC QB named Cordale Grundy who we were giving a look to, but he just committed to Univ of Texas San Antonio before we could get any traction, lol

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        Maybe Riley advised him that San Antonio is very nice he should check it out? “You know, I like it so much, I got a place down there….”

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          Why aren’t these QB’s falling over themselves to get in the vicinity of Mike Riley?

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      We can thank Ginger Baker for this, indirectly. I always thought they were acid rock with folk progressions. Phase 2 is a little funkier than this.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    ^^who doesn’t need some 70’s Nigerian (shithole) funk?

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Okay, who’s the asshole with the down vote?

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Issac Garcia is s Beav again!

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      Re-Beaved?

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        JS had him at “you don’t have to wear big boy pants.”

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          I imagine that convo went.. hey I looked at film of our d line last year.. All big and slow with no push.. I see you can get off the ball…Would you like to start for us next year ?

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      So what’s his eligibility status? Did he ever actually enroll? Is he like a mission guy with 5 to play 4 at an advanced age?

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        I don’t recall if he decided to leave the team during spring ball or fall camp, but it was fairly early in one or the other. In any event, he didn’t play a down. Perhaps we should have paid more attention then; he apparently saw something not-so-good early on.

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        CMIIW, but I believe he has to be in good academic standing for two full terms of at least 12 hours each.

  • scotty says:
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    Where on earth did the myth that Riley is a great recruiter start? I thought he “coached ’em up” and “did more with less”. Can’t have it both ways, Riley fans.

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      I agree, I don’t think Riley wad known as a great recruiter. Good thing he is an assistant coach rather than the head coach.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        What does correcting a false narrative have to do with OSU doing less wrong than the biggest wrong that could be?

      • cj cj says:
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        Riley wad…awesome!

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    WBB biggest week upcoming. Civil War. On like an 8 year winning streak which is likely to break this weekend.

    I think these two games will ultimately decide the team’s fate for the rest of the year.

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      Cannot disagree with any of your points.
      What do ya think it would take for the Beavs to come out on top? Hot hands beyond the arc and keeping Marie out of foul trouble? Keep TO’s under 12?
      Any reason to think we’ll see Marie and Grymek on the floor together for, say, 10-15 minutes?

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    Picture of CJS and several assistants on Twitter, about to depart on home visits. Any word on who they are visiting this week?

    How did Gray, Crocker, and Brockermeyer like their visits?

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      No time for recruiting today. Busy MLK/community service day in these parts. See twitter for Crocker’s reaction. Have heard the other 2 had good trips too. Go follow those guys and let them know you want them here.
      Did anybody else notice Gray is a 4* guy on ESPN?

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        Crocker will be “keeping in mind for sure”….that kind of language says a lot. I’ve heard that, and/or said it when the odds are there is no plan to commit.

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          Maybe he means he’ll be keeping in mind how easy it will be to score 50 on us when he’s on the other sideline?

  • angry angry says:
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    Regarding the myth that Riley is a good recruiter, it seems to have sprung up with this Riley III hire. I think the old guard is looking for justification and grasping at straws, so they came up with that.

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      I don’t know that it’s just Pollyanna poo. I thought one or a couple of the new assistants (and maybe some players and/or PSAs?) have said as much, provoking minor wtf moments.

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      My take is: JS thought Riley would be a slam dunk with the fan base. Probably didn’t follow the decline that closely, and figured it was nothing but love for old Smilley. So when the announcement came with so much push back, he’s kinda been in oh shit how do we fix this mode. Spin machine up and running, $50,000 salary, No position group so far, that whole thing has been whacky to say the least.

      Another thing: I didn’t comment on the Brenda Tracy stuff above but the one who looks the worst to me now is Dr. Ray. When rumors of Mr. Milquetoast were floating about my first inclination was there’s no way in a million years Ray would allow Riley back on staff after the dog and pony show he rolled out over the situation. Now it all looks like PR bullshit to save the face and get the University out of hot water with the press. Now since Brenda accepted the apology he can hire his buddy back…

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        I don’t know about the buddy-ness of it all might be. Ray probably doesn’t really have time to deal with an assistant football coach.

        Regarding MR getting $50k… maybe that was the motive behind the low rate. Maybe it was because MR is willing to forgo a couple-hundred K in order to allow OSU to make payroll for the other nine assistants.

        You know… because we’re cheap and the end of the earth as far as college football is concerned.

        I have to think MR (or his agent) contacted NU before he signed this and agreed to mitigate his pay by “at least [X] amount” because the going rate for a 17 year P5 and 3 year NFL head coach as a P5 assistant is not commensurate with 25% that of someone with only a partial season of paid coaching experience on this level.

        They probably quietly made a deal that NU would pay him $2.3m out his $2.6m so long as he made less at OSU. Does the money really matter to Riley that much? Would you do that deal… $2.3m instead of $2.6m just so you could eat cotton candy and ride your bike to and from home?

        One thing’s for sure. MR doesn’t take this job for $50k if Nebby isn’t paying him anything. This is his NU contract, if anyone’s interested.
        http://dataomaha.com/documents/mike-rileys-contract

      • angry angry says:
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        Good points on Ray. I know many donors aren’t happy with him at all.
        I have no idea what makes a good or bad Uni President, but when he called himself a “hanging judge” I was eternally turned off by him.

        He also did the same exact “teams must bring their A game or we kick their butt” with Smith that he did with GA. I found that to be totally bizarre behavior. Like, no self-awareness to realize you just said that with one of the worst coaches in Uni history?

        • Bill says:
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          Donors are not turned off by Ray. He’s been an excellent president for OSU. Some (who are louder) may want him to concentrate more on athletics but he’s done the school right in the academic world.

          Raised a billion dollars. Improved the graduation rate. Some very nice building additions to campus. Expanded the Bend campus. could go on more.

          He’s positioned OSU to be the top university in the state for the next 20 years.

          As for sports it’s been hit and miss.
          – Football has been largely a miss but both of his hires were received well at the time of hire. (He did not hire Riley in 2003 but the lifetime contract was a big mistake).
          – AD hires – BDC’s legacy is looking better, Barnes is a dick.
          – Basketball has been a win. CR got the practice facility built. WT got to the tourney. SR got to the final four.
          – baseball has been a win – consistent juggernaut with many stadium improvements.
          – Other sports – does anyone care that much?

          • angry angry says:
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            Well, I’ve spoken with some bigger donors who are turned off by him, so I’m going with their words. I do get the impression there is a split, which is why I said “many” and not all. Some like him.

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            I’m thinking they don’t like him due to football

            I’m a donor. What constitutes a big donor? 500k a year?

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      So hyped! He might even play today ( right now) because Lonzo is out. ..We’ve ( Lakers) needed a backup PG all year, GP2 might be able to stick in the rotation if he plays well.

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        Lonzo is actually one of the few PG’s in the league the The Mitten has a prettier shot then (insert LOL cry face emoji)

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        Randle with the ho-hum behind-the-back transition assist off his face?

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          Lonzo is special though.. So much hate for the kid. He is damm near averaging a triple double at 20 years old in the league.. and is shockingly already a good to great defender… Once his shot starts falling consistently like it has been lately its a wrap.

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            He’s a jason kidd type PG

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            He’ll be a solid player for years to come.

            Everyone just wants to see him fail because of Lavar.

            His shot is ugly though. Ugly doesn’t mean it can’t be effective. But it’s ugly

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            Not Bill Cartwright shooting free throws bad but definitely reminiscent of Shawn Marion’s shot.

          • calibeav calibeav says:
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            LOL… His shot is hideous but I don’t have to see his shot naked so I could care less as long as he gets his percentages up (which he will) it’s fine.

            That people take Lavar serious is silly to me.. He says things for attention / headlines and it works. Its the Floyd “money” Mayweather model. People hate them and they laugh all the way to the bank.

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    Football Scoop says Mike Cavanaugh will join the Syracuse staff coaching offensive line.
    FWIW, after all, it’s Scoop. No confirmation yet from Sidd.

  • calibeav calibeav says:
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    GP2 is in making his Laker debut

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      I figured they would do it to start the 4th. Clarkson was looking bad for a long stretch.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    Chipper gets the U dub transfer QB.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Well that’s a surprise.

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      “Meanwhile, another candidate in the race to succeed quarterback Josh Rosen emerged when graduate transfer K.J. Carta-Samuels told CBS Sports that he would enroll at UCLA in the spring and spend his final college season in Westwood in 2018. The 6-foot-2, 220-pound Carta-Samuels completed 27 of 47 passes for 310 yards as a backup in his career with the Huskies.

      He will battle returning quarterbacks Devon Modster, Matt Lynch and Austin Burton as well as incoming freshman Dorian Thompson-Robinson to become the starter when UCLA opens the season against Cincinnati on Sept. 1 at the Rose Bowl.”

      http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-meadors-return-20180115-story.html

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    Some info for the Nall debate…here’s a list of early draft entries at RB from S-I. I am unsure of the seniors that are entering the draft:

    Names current as of Jan. 15.

    Josh Adams, RB, Notre Dame
    Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
    Derrius Guice, RB, LSU
    Nyheim Hines, RB, NC State
    Kerryon Johnson, RB, Auburn
    Ronald Jones II, RB, USC
    John Kelly, RB, Tennessee
    Ryan Nall, RB, Oregon State
    Kamryn Pettway, RB, Auburn
    Bo Scarbrough, RB, Alabama
    Mark Walton, RB, Miami

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    Early point spread for Oregon State/Ohio State shows Ohio State favored by only 30.5 pts.

    • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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      They should have a much better vertical passing game with the new QB. I hope we can stay within 30. JS can look at MR’s games at Neb. and try the George Costanza do the opposite theory.

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    Wasn’t Lindsey Scott supposed to sign somewhere yesterday?

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    Lakers fans not giving Tyler Ennis much love:
    https://twitter.com/LWOS_LALakers/status/953318564395659264

    • calibeav calibeav says:
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      Ennis was surprisingly solid for us last year but has been woeful this season. GP2 has a chance to carve out some minutes

      • Jack Jack says:
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        Ennis is strong, but he’s still struggling with D. He’s not quite athletic enough laterally on this level. He’s developed a back-shuffle/shot contention method that seems to work against lesser talent. But he needs to work on his springs.

        GP2 is nothing but springs. He also showed some fun passes for gimmes. His teammates would love him if he’s about that plus a couple highlight reel plays for himself. I could see the energy Clarkson brought to the floor initially, but he fizzled and shouldn’t have been on the floor for the last half of the 3rd. Watching GP2 with more energy and his cyber-springs after no practice with the team had to make Laker fan think, “Hmmmm.” He’s one of those guys you wouldn’t want covering you because he’s going to be low point production in that league until he logs time with a team that plays like one. So he’s going to play hungry on D. But on the flip side, I would hate it more if I had to cover him. He is constantly on the move, even without knowing his spacing, like last night.

        He’s an intriguing role player on that team. I also thought he would work with the Rockets.

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    This stat is just nuts:
    https://twitter.com/BeaverBaseball/status/953373663809568768

    That’s .977 in 18.5 games per season.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    It’s my perception that the staff seems to be recruiting/offering a number of WRs…is that really a need area? I’d think more DT and OL (including specifically center)?

  • AfghanBeav AfghanBeav says:
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    Stanford’s RB Love to return for another season… how’d he think it was a bad idea to go to NFL, but Nall thought he’d make the cut?

    Wish Nall luck, but it’s looking like 5-7 if at all.

    • Jack Jack says:
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      Maybe he’s weighing the potential value of an NFL RB’s career v. the potential value of an NFL RB’s career as a Stanford alumnus.

    • youngorst says:
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      I don’t think Love thought it was a bad idea just that maybe he could improve his stock. 2018 is loaded at RB, not sure if 2019 is.

      Nall made a mistake IMO but we shall see.

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      Also, he was 2nd in Heismann voting, maybe he hopes to win that? Read he averaged 8.3 YPC and set a record with 13 runs of 50+ yards…..

  • Jack Jack says:
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    Read it if you want, but the headline is smh-worthy.
    https://twitter.com/Oregonian/status/953395142160977920

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      I listened to most of that interview. For a guy who was only around Riley for a couple of years(as a player and then as a Grad Assistant), Smith sure sounds a hell of alot like Mike Riley on the air.

      I never actually heard him say we’re searching for our identity though. I could have missed it, but I just remember him saying that our offense will play to our personnel, and that he and Lindgren are familiar running offenses with “multiple looks”

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        So it sounds like they want to run a multiple O, and they are still evaluating talent on hand before deciding which of the multiples will be their strength. That’s fine… if known and implemented after spring ball, not four games into the season… every season.

        Chalk the headline up to Dolphin boy and the O trolling for click-throughs from the cult of Riley.

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          Anybody know when winter conditioning starts? I remember it being a pretty big deal back when GA was brand new, but since Smith came on, they’ve been pretty quiet when it comes to self promotion.

      • Jack Jack says:
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        And he certainly didn’t sound like MR during his welcome presser. Is he different now?

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          Basing that opinion off the Canzano interview. Didn’t sound like presser Smith

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            So he’s already lost the mojo? That was quick.

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            Some thoughts about JS and Riley:
            So JS now is prodded by Clownzano to comment on riding his bike as a kid? Is the intention by the Oregonian to paint JS as the little Riley disciple who says neat deal and rides his bike around town? JS needs to wake up and be his own best representative instead of allowing the media to paint their version of him.
            ObjCritic is correct about all of the Riley mythology coming in the next year. It will be intolerable and JS won’t be allowed to right his own chapter of OSU football.

            I could understand the love for Riley if he had ever had a championship/Rose Bowl year, but he didn’t. It is kind of like those who still backed Paterno at the end, at least Penn St had some championships to explain their devotion even in the midst of the embarassment that was JoePa. and their fanatical backing of him.

            But Riley didn’t recruit well, didn’t manage the games well, didn’t put teams away when they were on the ropes, didn’t change with the landscape of the game, didn’t exude confidence, never started a season prepared, couldn’t get rid of his buddies when they were failing him, didn’t do more with less at OSU, didn’t do more with more at Nebraska, coached in multple debacles on national television, didn’t have a season with less than 4 losses…. EVER!!?!?!

            This JS interview becomes the harbinger of things to come: Riley will lead the story, comparisons, analysis and credit line for anything JS does. It is important that JS gets credit for what he accomplishes as a HC. I think having Riley on the mind of media would have been inevitable but eventually dies down if RIley weren’t onstaff. But now I would guess it will be open session to seek out any Riley connection whenever possible by a lazy media.

            Riley will be the most talked about $50k coach in America, as a joke and byword of humiliation and ridicule for the University. It is really surprising that JS hasn’t had second thought s about it and switched directions. Small time town and small time vision will result in small time expectations and small time results will follow.

            I was attending Boise St (!992) when AD Gene Blaymeier asserted that BSU could compete with USC and the PAC 10 some day. He was ridiculed in the local media at the time because they were still a D1AA school. That kind of visionary mentality will never be seen in Corvallis…”Aw shucks, we could never really compete for championships. Maybe an upset of a good team once in a while, but be happy with 7-8 wins, after all, Mike Riley is the best we can ever expect as a coach too. He is so nice and all of college footbal respects him.”

            Until this lackluster expectation is vanquished in the mindset of OSU, nothing will ever change. A loser is a loser as long as he allows himself to be a loser. Loser mentality is not wanting or expecting more. I am told to just relax and watch how Riley will help JS. I’m told to wait and see what happens for the next 3-4 years as JS builds it up. Why? Why wait for more of the same low expectations? Why care anymore about loser football in a fan-base that is so shell-shocked from 28 years (which was 17 years ago) that it doesn’t mind a national perception of ridicule on a yearly basis? ANy good press Riley brought due to an upset of USC was quickly squandered in a national televised blowout. Don’t live in 1967, 1999, 2001,2008,2009. Save the nostalgia and try to win this year. Try to make decisions that better the view of those who see OSU. Is the VFC 2016 banner down yet? Why not? Easy first step.

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            ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
            Excellent points by ohiobeav, almost worthy of “Tumwater Dave” (maybe on steroids).
            Someone did call JBS not long ago and commented, paraphrased, “The Beavs aren’t handicapped by a small town, but a small town mentality

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    Besides the opener beat down, the schedule next year has a pretty interesting home slate:

    Home games: UA, WSU, CAL, USC, UO…they may do fairly well on some ticket package sales. Haven’t heard that season ticket sales are really up as a result of “The Return.” Maybe if it was only “The Return” of Smith sales would be better….

    http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-18/2018-oregon-state-beavers-football-schedule.php

    With USC in Reser this year we’ll probably get to hear about that Mike Riley upset magic while he’s chewing away on the sidelines.

  • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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    One of you was asking about Casey Rogers. He has committed to Nebraska today.

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      Bummer…but I figured he was a long shot. Thanks for the update Nice Beaver. I come here 90% for recruiting info.

  • angry angry says:
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    Hey guys, what did I miss today? I was out all day attending an Alt-Right Nazi convention.

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      On this evenings radio program Tinkle nearly caused Parker to swallow his mic when he said to expect him to be all over the refs this weekend. He’s noticed that the most vocal coaches seem to get the calls, especially at home.
      Also said he’d be sending a number of plays to the Commisioner’s office for review.

      • angry angry says:
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        Finally. Someone has to start standing up to the obvious collusion.

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          I was just giving you feedback on the origins of the words you’re using. Do whatever you want with it.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        About fucking time. Been working for Sean Miller and the bluebloods for years. Might not work the first or every time but keep it up coach.

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        Wait… it took him how many years of hoops experience to figure this out?

        This sort of bleeds into the Pollyanna narrative that coaches know more than we do because they’re paid a lot of money–a sort of Calvinistic dipshit argument. I suppose that means that we know better than Mile Riley now.

    • DrShrimpPuertoRico DrShrimpPuertoRico says:
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      Oh, were you at the Cross Burning Convention in Walnut Creek? Me too! I was the guy in the white hood.

      • angry angry says:
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        Wasn’t it heartwarming how they allowed us pay the entry fee with gold coins that had Hitler’s head minted on them? What a day!

        • Jack Jack says:
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          Why would anyone waste resources to mint any coin with Hitler’s head on it? That, as mentioned, is a waste of resources and makes people start conversations with you about which Chaplin film is best.

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      Purdy gets a full ride offer grom Bama.
      Still no Beaver offer, lol

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        Yikes. And some claimed he was our “consolation prize” huh? lol

        • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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          We are more selective than Bama.

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            We’ve earned that right.

          • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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            Wonder which recruiting site will be first to upgrade Purdy to a 4*/5* guy? There’s no way they can let Bama get away with signing a 3* QB

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          I was saying he looks like the best qb I’ve seen go after in 6-8 years. a month or so ago… or whenever nice beavers spotted him on his radar and shared it with us

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            I don’t know about best QB I’ve ever seen, but he looked good. Better than anyone on our roster for sure.

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        Wow, seriously no offer? Any clue when Lindgren was making his home visit? The only justification I can think of is that he will make the offer in person during his visit…

        Read somewhere his only open weekend for a OV is February 2nd.

        NiceBeaver, any word on Lindsey Scott? He would buy niner some time to recruit a prep QB to groom…

    • NiceBeaver NiceBeaver says:
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      Wow, Cougs QB Hilinski has committed suicide.
      Sorry to bring such bad news to the blog.

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        Holy crap. RIP, TH.

        Not sure I buy that it’s a suicide. He looks so happy in every photo, and it’s hard to kill yourself with any long gun. Cops better look deep into that one.

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          ^^ what a thoughtful response. Smh

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          Major depression can hit with no notice, just like it can over a long period of time.

          All it takes is one bad thought. One bad thought can lead to another bad thought, then another, then another. Pretty soon the mind is so filled with bad thoughts that you find yourself in a position where you can’t truly feel happy. The mind starts to slow down and you don’t feel like doing anything but lie down and hope it goes away. The people that usually make you happy: your family and your friends, you begin to doubt that they truly care for you because you fear the thought of them having the same perception of yourself in that same moment.

          Then the thought of ending it instantly creeps up. What’s the worst that will happen? Seeing black? At least you don’t have to live in this state. Even if the state ends, it may pop back up in the future and you’ll be just as miserable. It’s a vicious cycle and suicide provides an out. You start looking around at the world and see how hopeless it is in so many different facets that the attitude affects your relationships and your ability to perform simple tasks.

          This is what I have discovered about my depression cycles. It always starts with a bad thought, whether it is my lack of capabilities, my disappointments, my failures, the job market, etc. What always brings me out of it is doing experiences with other people, whether it is golf with my dad or hiking with my friends. Even this couldn’t bring Tyler out of the loop, and I feel particularly sorry for him because that is a whole new level of being depressed.

          RIP Tyler

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            Dam man thanks for sharing that perspective and your truth.. Glad you have a handle on everything..

          • Jack Jack says:
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            That’s amazing awareness. Does being that aware help mitigate it when it comes on?

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            And I ask that thinking that’s just a drop in the bucket in terms of the depth of said awareness.

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            Jack, thinking about my awareness of the situation almost never helps when I’m in that state. Sometimes it pulls me in when I’m originally in a good state, which is a reason why I never bring the topics of major depression or PTSD with my dad who also suffers the same type of depression as I do. It’s more like “shit here we go again” and it’s a train that can’t be stopped.

            The go-to method for me is to simply forget about it through pre-occupation, preferably lifting or running, probably because of the hormones released temporarily increases my confidence and that carries over to doing schoolwork. After some time I get enough confidence back that I can carry on with my life.

            I have also been able to forget about my state by simply listening to running water and rain. Sometimes I jump in the hot tub and do sessions until it goes away. But during that time, I never try to rationalize with my depression. It often makes it worse.

        • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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          “it’s hard to kill yourself with a long gun”

          You cannot be fucking serious. How’d that work out for Kurt Cobain? Or the many others that ended it all with shotguns? Pretty ignorant statement there.

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          >Not sure I buy that it’s a suicide. He looks so happy in every photo, and it’s hard to kill yourself with any long gun. Cops better look deep into that one.

          This is the dumbest thing you’ve ever said. You evidently know nothing about depression, or rifles for that matter.

          • angry angry says:
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            Well official studies disagree with you.

            The handgun’s short barrel length may also be important; it is difficult to aim a rifle or shotgun at oneself and pull the trigger.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1350343/pdf/amjph00246-0074.pdf

            Look at the chart. Hand guns make up 70 to 80 of gun related suicided. Rifles are very low, and for good reason (mentioned above). Any rifle “suicide” deserves a long look. Sure, someone athletic might be able to do that and pull a trigger with their toe or tie it to a door or something, but in general it’s a difficult maneuver, which is exactly what I wrote. Apology accepted, no worries.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Do you even own a shotgun or rifle? Obviously not because if you did you’d know that statistic is complete and utter horseshit. Hell, even I can come up with some horseshit statistics to support an argument.

            Fun fact. One can take a standard 12 gauge shotgun, put the barrel to any part of their face and use their thumb to easily PUSH the trigger. Go ahead and try it with an unloaded shotgun and see just how easy it is.

            Furthermore, you stated that the police should be looking into whether or not it was a suicide. Think they haven’t already done so? No, they don’t investigate shit. They show up, see a guy with a missing head, a note and a gun and say, eh, obviously suicide. Get off your smug horse thinking you know more than everyone else here. I’d say with 100% certainty that the police know more about what happened than you do. But keep up your ignorant fight with stupid, meaningless statistics.

          • angry angry says:
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            Butt hurt alert.

            Yeah, I own a shotgun and trained professionally on it. Cops generally know shit when it comes to suicides. They see a note and want to wrap up the case as fast as possible. Get a clue on how cops work. They have donuts to attend to.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            Smug Alert! I KNOW EVERYTHING!

          • angry angry says:
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            How does that mean I know everything?

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            Guys. As chance would have it, my Mauser 98 hunting rifle happens to be sitting in the corner as I read this exchange. It has a 26″ #5 taper Shilen super match barrel installed. So I walked over and picked it up. Yes, I checked to make sure it was unloaded, and no, I didn’t actually point it at my own head. But I did do a quick mock up, and yes a guy with decently long arms could definitely shoot himself with it, and a 26″ barrel is probably 4″ longer than your average hunting rifle.

            Having a hard time wrapping my head around that one. Poor kid.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            His QB assessments have more merit than his ignorant firearms knowledge.

          • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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            WFO, I did the same with three of my long guns after reading that ignorant statistic/statement of Angry’s. There is nothing special about any of the three I picked up after making sure they were unloaded. Savage .410, 12 gauge and .30-06. I’m 5′-11″ and easily was able to reach the trigger on all three with my thumb and the barrel pointed at my face/head. Anyone with a tape measure and a little geometry knowledge could easily do the same without doing what we did.

            But I’ll defer to Angry on this one. He’s the expert on police investigations, suicide and long guns.

        • Jack Jack says:
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          It’s not hard to commit suicide with a shotgun. It’s an odd choice for anyone not 20 to 50 and male. But it’s not hard. I’m sure if you look at suicide by gunshot in the UK, you’ll find that most of them are by shotgun.

          It’s simply a matter of what tools are most readily available. Handguns are that easy and cheap to acquire in the US. They’re also easier to keep inconspicuously in living quarters or on one’s person.

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    GT reports, “Inside linebackers coach Trent Bray will receive base pay of $300,012 …
    Bray was making $400,000 at Nebraska … and was the interim head coach for a short time after Riley was fired.”

    Don’t think anyone else, besides simple Jack (not really), took a pay cut to join Smith’s staff.
    http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/football/osu-football-dc-tim-tibesar-to-make-for-his-first/article_a07cc935-cbfd-5dc4-b0ce-a95104ea3f8f.html

    • angry angry says:
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      That’s interesting and all, but we have more important matters to attend to, like gold nazi coins, donuts, shotguns, and figuring out the best hemorrhoid cream for the butt hurt.

      • whiskey soaked napkins whiskey soaked napkins says:
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        You forgot the Kurt Cobain suicide conspiracy theories , lazy police suicide investigations, and being an expert in suicide statistics and long gun training.

        You’re awesome. Keep that shit up.

        • angry angry says:
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          You’re a cop or something and it’s creating massive butt hurt. Cool. Stick a donut in it, dood.

          • Angry@angry says:
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            You linked a study from 30 years ago. Angry I know it’s not in your dna to think someone might know more than you but coming from someone who’s responded to multiple suicides / attempts, you really are coming across as pretty ignorant on this one.

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            My point was police should look extra hard at any suicide, but especially those cases involving long guns. That’s controversial to you? If so, it’s a you problem. There’s nothing controversial at all about it if you read true crime and follow these types of cases. Maybe this case was exactly as they say, but it warrants a harder look than a case with a hand gun. And no, I don’t know everything about guns. That just shows logical leaps of butt hurt. I do know a bit about guns and trained with the NRA, a guy who trained police/tactical units, and I’m certified by the NRA. That’s the extent of my training and knowledge on the use and mechanics of guns. I do know a lot about crime, death, etc though, having crown up reading true crime novels for 30+ years and studying the subject on various levels. Again, if this offends you, it’s a you problem. I’ve also dealt with suicide (inordinate amount of HS acquaintances or friends) growing up, so I get that angle. I’m not sure what the butt hurt is about. If a long gun is involved, investigators should look doubly hard at all the evidence. End of my point. If that creates butt aches, I can recommend a cream for you.

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