10.Sep.2019 Cal Poly @ Oregon State

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Having lived on the Central Coast for over a decade, I spent a lot of time in San Luis Obispo, and that football program always seemed to be in the news for playing teams tough and having one or two fringe NFL guys each year. Never went to a game, but that just seemed to be the reputation. That HC has been there 11 years so I assume that’s still what they’re all about.

I’m not sure what to make of this game. Seems the Beavs should have better athletes and be able to “out-athlete” this team, but the Beavs are so bad at fundamentals it’s hard to say. What I’m envisioning is Cal Poly’s unorthodox offense giving the Beavs some problems. If that continues into the 2nd quarter, then nerves will kick in, and then it’s anyone’s guess. So, the Beavs have to score early and establish the way it’s gonna be, else it’s going to be a frustrating day that could be a ballgame in the 4th.

Regarding Luton, I agree with the crowd who thinks if he struggles at all this game replace him immediately. Actually, I’m in the camp that says start Gebbia, but we know that won’t happen…so. I want to see a Mannion/Katz changing of the guard. We need a leader at QB. Jake is a nice guy and heroic for coming back from a spinal injury, but he’s not a natural leader. He’s quiet, and he had a passive, deer-in-headlight look in his eyes during that 4th quarter drive versus Hawaii. It is who he is. Not his fault. The coach is to blame for thinking that guy is the best talent and the best leader. So, if there is the slightest hint he’s struggling he has to go. He’d make a good backup.

I’m going Beavs I guess, but I don’t have conviction either way.

Beavs 38-31

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  • Ripper Ripper
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    Good to hear on the donations — kudos to all who donated.

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    Found a link to the condensed 30 minute version of the OSU/Hawaii game, if anybody wants to relive it. I’m mildly curious to see what Pierce did “wrong” to barely see any 2nd half action.

    https://youtu.be/qUHQ5U2ldnc

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      Pierce didn’t do anything wrong other than being a senior. This season is a lost cause so Smith is giving the majority of reps to Jefferson to develop him for the future and keep him happy so he doesn’t transfer to Fresno St and light up the MWC for 2 years. Or does this logic only apply to QB’s?

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    Hey angry, setup a new recurring donation last night. Tried to edit my previous one as I wanted to increase it but couldn’t figure out how so I just canceled it.

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    OSU is 16.5 point favorites. Seems high to me.

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    We have a family connection to Cal Poly and spend several weeks there every year. We’ve been to a number of football games. They are well attended in the 11,000 seat stadium.

    The university is the main reason for the existence of San Luis Ospibo. Its a first rate university and the SLO area is thriving. It is one of the the most expensive places to live in the entire country.

    Because it is so difficult to get a student into Cal Poly they have adapted the service model approach. They will run a ball control offense with really smart kids that execute their assignments and rarely make mistakes. The head coach, Tim Walsh, spent about twelve years at Portland State and got them started in the Big Sky. We left to be the OC at West Point, where he became a “triple option” coach. He took the Head Coach job at Poly in 2009.

    I guarantee that the OSU student section will contain at least fifty engineering, construction management and IT students that applied to Cal Poly.

    I think the Beavs offense will be able to score plenty and that the slowly developing triple option will not be able to answer every score as the clock runs down. Beavs will win, but it doesn’t really mean much unless if they cannot their act together for PAC-12 teams.

    Really good Big Sky teams can and do beat bad PAC-12 teams, Average Big Sky teams wont beat poor PAC-12 teams.

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      What do you think for the final score?
      I do think the Beavs win but I don’t see us winning by 17 like Vegas does.

      SLO is a cool little city. I like it better than Santa Barbara or any other Central Coast city. The entire area became so overpriced we decided to move.

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        Hesitate to guess a final score. It should be a comfortable 48-21 unless, of course, the Beavs explore new and unchartered methods to self-implode then 28-21.

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      Too bad you couldn’t implement the triple option in a competent way.

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      I lived in San Luis for 25 years, we moved to Corvallis 11 years ago.

      The University and the CMC are the largest employers, but the university is less a driver of that town than OSU is in this town.

      There was a time you’d see maybe a couple thousand people at a game, basically a glorified high school game.

      I remember when Chris Gocong was drafted. ‘Wow, a Mustang got drafted’

      Locals thought they were crazy to move up to big boy football. They’ve come a long way to be sure.

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    T Boone Pickens died. Figures, after Oklahoma State trounced us. They will probably go into the toilet now. Luck o’ da….?

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    I’ve been looking around for indication that Saturday’s game will be televised. So far can’t find anything. Anyone have better info?

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      It’s on the Pac12 Network.

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        My Dish schedule shows it on Pac 12.

      • OrangeJulius OrangeJulius
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        I heard on the radio Pac 12 Oregon or you have to use the Pac12 app.

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          I’ve read the same. Only on Pac12 Oregon or on the App/website.
          So if your cable package doesn’t have Pac12 Oregon included, you won’t be getting it.

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            I have hired the commentators from the Hawaii game and will be Facebook Living it. I will add a link when we are ready to start filming.

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          Yuck.
          It will probably stream on some shady site (not that I condone that).

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      Thanks to all who responded. If it’s on P-12 Oregon, I’ll have to watch on my computer as Dish doesn’t broadcast that in Central Oregon.

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    For anybody interested in the Cal Poly game thos weekend, LOTS of cheap tickets available. I’ve found this ticket reseller “tickpick” to be the easiest/cheapest method to get into games this year. I used to try StubHub, Vivid and Seatgeek, but all of those sites have been upping their buyer fees. This site doesn’t have any fees. And the app works well too. I ended up with front row seats on the upper deck for $22.

    https://www.tickpick.com/r/?e=beavrecruiting@gmail.com

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    Does anyone have experience with how to download the P12 Now app on a “smart tv”? I did an app search and Apple TV app search but no results. Just afraid my Luton comments won’t have the same impact if I can only watch on the iPad. Thanks in advance.

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      HDMI cable with an AV adapter for your ipad should stream your Luton comments in glorious 1080

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        Thank you NB, much appreciated. The whole app thing on the tv appears to be a wasr of time.

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          A waste and a wasr

        • Nicebeaver Nicebeaver
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          I don’t have AppleTv, but if its anything like AmazonFire, adding apps only slows the platform down.
          I’ve had the most luck streaming everything via HDMI, so the tv acts as a large monitor and the PC does all of the processing.

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            I’m not a fan of running apps, either.
            HDMI right into the TV is the easiest. You might have to adjust your default audio device from speakers to the HMDI else it plays through the computer. Else it’s simple.

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            You can also buy a Chromecast for $40 if you don’t like to have a cable running to your television. Depending on the length of your hdmi cable, the chromecast can be less expensive.

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            Yes, true if the cable bothers you. I have mine setup so I don’t see it.

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            I’m a big fan of the Chromecast, works from any device and as stated it’s wireless. Chromecast, Roku, and/or HDMI are all better options than smart tv apps.

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      Pac12 site says AppleTv supports an app now.

      https://pac-12.com/content/pac-12-now-web-ios-android-apps

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    Hey Wrigg and Bandits, I made some pine tar tonight if you want a bar. I think you two were the ones who asked for a bar? I forget if you guys donated, but if so I’ll send out a free bar.

    It’s a really strong pine tar scent that not everyone appreciates. To me it’s manly and awesome for cleaning a beard (it has shea butter and olive oil in it, so very conditioning), but again, the scent is not for everyone. Warning in advance! Email me an address.

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      Angry, just sent in a donation. Unfortunately I have no idea how to get your email address so if you don’t have mine please let me know.

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        Use the contact link below the Twitter feed on the right hand side. Angry email sent, thanks.

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    Hi Angry. I follow your site frequently but seldom comment as I’ve gotten shot down pretty severely for daring to suggest that the high point of OSU football the last 50 years was actually the Mike Riley era (with one big season from DE sandwiched into it).

    Having said that, your site is the best fan message board out there for OSU fans, and I really enjoy your readers comments on recruiting, coaching, rumors and the like. I’ve lived in Florida for 30 years (trying to get back to Oregon but not much luck yet) and it is very difficult to get any news from the Northwest. Most of the other Beaver message boards I have looked at appear to be populated by old timers who are happy if we get a first down. You have some loyal and dedicated followers who understand sports and I enjoy following their comments. I even miss Jack.

    I just sent you a donation and will send more in the future. Keep up the good work.

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      Thanks, boss. Comment more, too.

      PS. What’s preventing you from moving back to Oregon?

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      Feel free to comment more. So what if you have a different opinion and others disagree. I’ve been called a fuckwit on more than one occasion. It’s a fan message board and you can’t take it personal.

      At the end of the day we’re all beaver fans and just would like what’s best for OSU sports programs. Even if we don’t agree on what’s best.

      Last year or the year before I pitched the idea that OSU should leave the PAC-12 and drop down to the mountain west conference for football. I was thoroughly blasted here by pretty much everyone. Today I still stand by that idea even though others disagreed. True story.

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        I was saying that on Blitz in ’07. Boy did that not go over well…
        I’m not sure I fully believe it or it’s frustration with all the losing and sub par program.. But it’s something they should consider and maybe come back to the PAC when they’re ready.

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          Last Saturday was the first beaver football game I did not watch or give two fucks about in many years. Don’t take this personal but I laughed at yours and others predictions that the beavers would win. I knew they would lose that game.

          It helped we had plans that night and attended a concert in Lincoln City to divert my attention. Glad I saved myself the aggravation.

          I don’t intend on watching this weekend either. My give a fuck meter for beaver football has hit a new low. I’ve donated plenty of my hard earned $ to OSU sports programs in the past but I will no longer donate to the football program. I’ll instead give it to programs like baseball and women’s basketball that don’t accept losing or that culture.

          My fiancée has tried to talk me into season tickets the last two seasons. I quickly nixed that idea.

          She also despises Luton as much as you do. The other day she compared his lack of QB skills to Darrell Garretson. I had forgotten all about him. I thanked her for the painful reminder and also drew a parallel. They’ve both had ONE good game as an OSU QB. Gebbia should be the starter going forward but that won’t happen. It’s the loser and OSU way. Beating a dead horse and continue to expect it to resurrect itself.

          The Cal-Poly game will be closer than most people think. They do something rather well that OSU is pretty piss poor at defending.

          Tibesar needs to go. Smith is in over is head right now and needs to surround himself with more experienced assistants. Anyone know what Norm Chow is up to these days?

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            Hey if they had a competent QB and scored on that final drive my score would have been spot on. Horse shoes and hand grenades, but I thought Smith would go to Gebbia if Luton sucked. I think he’ll do that this weekend, too. If Luton is bad or even average vs that Cal Poly D and he doesn’t, he’s going to lose a lot of fans. I’m getting a lot of PMs on twitter where people are really upset with Smith. The honeymoon is ending fast. I’m 60/40 (negative lean) on Smith. See a few things I like. But the most basic things are getting the right players on the field, time management, risk/reward, and he can’t even do those things. Quickly losing faith in him. His OC is fine. The rest of the guys probably need to go. And we should be running a 4-3. I know it’s hard to find DTs, but even two crappy ones will make for a better D than all the huge gaps in a 3-4. Those LBs are getting zero pressure so might as well try to plug the run with a fat guy in the middle.

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            But they didn’t. And lost. And if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.

            Agree that the offense is mostly fine.

            Wholeheartedly agree with you on the 4-3!!!! So much this.

            Smith/Lindgren abandon the run too easily. When you’re gashing your opponent, keep doing it until they adjust to stop you.

            More thoughts on Tibesar….

            I’m getting sick and fucking tired of hearing about players being out of position on defense. If your players are too fucking stupid to understand basic schemes then…..

            1. You suck at teaching and should probably at least change your approach.

            OR

            2. Recruit smarter players.

            Tigers don’t change their stripes. Tibs is what he is and the players are what they are. And right now it’s a bad fit and they don’t go well together.

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            Agree 100% on Tibesar. I actually looked back at his resume and it’s pretty weird. Lots of one and done jobs and no real success as a DC. His only claim to fame is as a position coach on a good defensive team (Wisconsin), where we can assume he was coaching his group the way the DC wanted it done.

            A good DC can take the same group of kids and go from terrible to acceptable in one season. Anyone remember hole’s not too distant past terrible defense?

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            “if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle”

            Reminds me of a funny comment I heard the other day at the Ok State game. A couple of drunk cowboy fans walked into the restroom and as they were going through the door I heard the first one say “am I going into the right bathroom?”

            Without skipping a beat, his buddy said “depends on what pronoun you prefer”

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            Aunt/balls comment. Yes I know that’s why I said horse shoes and hand grenades. It’s another way of saying aunt/balls.

            Still, with proper coaching and the right QB on the field we’d win that game.

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            Totally agree on the “recruit smarter players” comment from WSN. I was thinking the same thing after game 13(?) of players “being out of position.” How hard can that be to correct unless they’re just mentally slow?

            The Beavs need some Michael Doctor-quality players on D….in the right places, quick to the ball, tackling, creating TOs…

            Its been so long since there’s been competent QB and defensive play its stunning; you’d think it’d happen by chance by now.

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            BTW, there ARE aunts with balls these days….so the comment is losing its strength…..just need to use the correct pro-noun in referring to them/they….

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            “Balls”, said the queen, “if I had two, I’d be king!”

            The king just smiled, not because he wanted to, but because he had two.

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      I’m not sure why you would get shot down by suggesting the Mike Riley era was the high point of OSU football. That’s probably a true statement. But Riley failed to adapt, so his era lasted a bit too long. Now if you suggest Riley should still be our coach, then let the shooting down commence.

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        Riley’s second tenure was the best “long” term period of success since Tommy Prothro, IF you define “long” as 5 years or more. Otherwise, it’s Dennis all the way.

        I can’t speak for others, but I soured on Riley post 2010 when it was clear he knew he had had a good run as well and began coasting. Human nature being what it is, you can only partially blame him for that. The real culprit was DeCarolis who became satisfied with an average win total or 6-7 wins a year rather than establishing a stretch goal for Riley of 8-10 wins a year, which Erickson was able to accomplish, even with an 11 game schedule in most seasons.

        Just to connect with a recent observation, it was at the point when truly distinctive coaches began coming on the market (Leach, Wilcox, Miles) and OSU passed on them that the program fell to its currently parlous state.

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          The peak Riley years were great. There was often hope we’d break through and make it to a Rose Bowl. We were one game away a few times.

          Riley probably got exhausted by the near misses like the rest of us and lost the extra edge it takes to sustain winning.

          Here’s a good bye week topic, Angry: why do we all continue emotionally investing in Beaver football when it will obviously be a losing bet over our lifetimes?

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            Good topic.
            Riley 2006-2009 was good. I personally give most of that credit to Jim Gilstrap. He was an awesome talent evaluator. Once he died, Riley had to rely on others (and himself) who were not as good as Jim. Jim was GREAT at it. It wasn’t Riley finding hidden gems; it was Gilstrap.

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    From a Tennessee Vols football board:

    “If my marriage was as strong as my fandom I’d still be married..

    ..and doubly miserable.”

    Sounds like some of us!

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    I’m not gonna link it but there’s a heartbreaking story on ESPN.com (suck my ball bag ESPN) about Blake and Wendy Anderson. Blake is the head coach at Arkansas St. Wendy lost her battle with breast cancer just before Arkansas St opened their season. As someone that also lost their wife to cancer at a young age it really hit home with me. Went thru all the same stuff Coach Anderson did and I feel awful for the guy.

    Go Arkansas St! This guy is rooting for you coach.

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      Shit is terrible. I’m at the age now where several of our close friends have been diagnosed over the past few years, as well as my cousin. All in their young 40’s. Just comes out of nowhere and devastates families.

      Will be pulling for Ak State too. Thanks for sharing

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        Sorry to hear that.

        I was a widow at 36. Cancer is fucking horrible and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy after seeing what my wife had to go thru. If I could have I’d have traded places with her.

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          Couldn’t imagine going through that in my 30’s. From your perspective or your late-wife’s perspective. All I can say is sorry, and I hope you’ve been able to adjust well to your new life path.

          I’ve been wanting to read up on the statistics of the rates of this disease over the years. Is it increasing? Is it affecting younger age groups more frequently?
          I have this terrible feeling they’re going to eventually tie it directly to something environmental with concrete evidence, like birth control or something. Maybe that tie has already been made? Just seems like breast cancer is becoming more and more common, but maybe that is just my observation as I get older and see more people my age affected.

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            Honestly I have no idea on that. Personally I think it’s mostly genetics. But until I see concrete evidence? Much like you I’m in the dark.

            Cancer doesn’t just affect the person afflicted with it. This might sound horrible, but dying is the easy part. It’s the part leading up to dying that is awful for those afflicted. It’s also awful for those caring for the afflicted.

            I had to tell my 5 year old son on his birthday his mother was coming home to die. That will never sit well with me. How do you tell a 5 year old on his fucking birthday his mother is coming home with hospice to die. I didn’t want to do it. I did it because I had to. And I have to live with it. Cancer doesn’t care.

            I could spend a lot of my time being angry over a huge part of my life being fucked up because of cancer. And my kids growing up being different without their mother and being raised by only one parent. But I’m not. And I won’t. It is what it is. Again, cancer doesn’t care.

            Live your life and ignore the trivial shit as best you can. You never know when your time on this earth is going to end. It’s cliche buts it’s the truth.

            I need to go ride my motorcycle. Maybe I’ll do that Saturdaywhile ignoring the game.

            As mentioned in the previous thread. This asshole met a wonderful gal in October 2017. We’re getting married next month. She tolerates me, my sons and all of our quirkinesses. She’s an absolute saint for that reason alone. She’s my best friend, motorcycle riding buddy and I love her more than I can ever say or show.

            Peace degenerates and go Beavs!

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            Thanks for sharing whiskey. That’s awesome that you’ve met someone and are getting married. Very happy for you.

            I became a widower last October, at age 32. Not cancer though – a brain hemorrhage. Out of nowhere, no warning whatsoever. It’s so crazy how everything about your life can change in an instant. Really helps get your priorities in order. Life is fragile, and fleeting. We don’t spend nearly enough energy on what really matters.

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            Yeah I’ve lost two HS friends in their 30s already.

            Luckily it hasn’t hit closer yet. My family got “lucky” and we all die immediately from heart attack and strokes. No cancer in a huge family (yet, knock on wood).

            Speaking of motorcycles and death…I was up in the Canyon over the weekend lying on a small river beach up there, and we left that spot at 2:55. Got about 5 miles down the road and saw cars on the side of the road and someone running to get a first aid kit. A woman in a pickup has her window rolled down, so I ask, “what happened?”…someone drove their motorcycle off an embankment. I asked if they needed help. She said, no, her husband was a paramedic, and he was on the scene. The way she said it was so calm I figured it was all alright (though, having ridden dirtbikes as a kid, no way you drive off a ditch and are alright, but the way this woman acted suggested they would be alright somehow). I went on down the road and thought, “damn they’re lucky a medic was in this remote area”…looked on twitter yesterday, turns out there were two on the bike and both died from blunt force trauma and the accident occurred at 2:55. So as I was getting in my car from an amazing day at the beach, someone was driving a motorcycle off an embankment into a ditch. Just crazy to think about. They think liquor might have been involved……..be safe, Beavs (Jack??).

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            WSN I’m happy for you and I hope this brings you happiness.
            Alex, I am very sorry to hear that and I truly understand how you are feeling. My wife passed away from cancer three days before Xmas this past December. A really shitty three years. A couple guys on the site that I know personally knew this. Since it is true confession time on the site, I decided to share. Angry, that’s why I asked about the email. I was going to thank you for the site. As stupid as it sounds, the banter on here has been a distraction from the stress/ depression that accompanies dealing with cancer. My wife even had a term for it…..”Angrybeaving.”

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            Wow, sorry to hear that, BG.
            Angrybeaving is great. She sounds great. I think sharing stories like that and celebrating peoples’ life like that is the best you can do. I don’t know……..

            Sorry, Alex. That’s awful. Terrifying. I was wondering where you’ve been. Now it makes sense.

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            Ugh. Must just be a bad year. Nothing as heavy as you guys but one of my best friends died after years of pain pill addiction. Same shit story, had hit the bottom and it was starting to look better then bam. Gone. He was a minor league pitcher right out of high school, he could have had his choice of colleges but dipstick wanted to go straight to the pros. Blew his shoulder up in the minor league grinder. The older he got the more it hurt and he got on the pills and then they got on him.

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    Heavy convos going on here…I’ll stay out of that right now.

    Priorities have changed for me…going for a hike Saturday afternoon with the wife, and then Gary Clark Jr concert after that–I’ll catch the game Sunday.

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      New topic idea: things to do while the beavs are playing:

      1. go on a hike
      2. ride a motorcycle
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      Going to Gary Clark on Friday myself. Should be a good show, although a bigger venue than the last time we saw him.
      Have a good time

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      Homefry, you’re in for a really good show. Dont be one of those people who get anxious to beat traffic home and leave early. He played at least 2 hrs 15 min and it kept getting better throughout.
      Actually one of the best sounding live shows I’ve ever seen. Not sure if that was just the edgfield sound system or the band, or both.
      Regardless, stay to the end and enjoy it. And anybody else in the Bend area Saturday should check him out too.

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    Terrell Roberts was shot and killed in his grandma’s backyard. He was 38 years old.

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    Nice trying to make a Segue to a positive topic and I’ll go right back to the negative:

    In other Beaver News:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/us/nfl-player-terrell-roberts-killed-trnd/index.html

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    I emailed the beaver football staff about many years ago, back when we were recruiting Thomas Tyner. I made a suggestion, that they should put together a highlight reel package to play up on the jumbo tron during a timeout, while Tyner was there on an official visit. Told them it would be cool to include all of their recent successful running backs and then toward the end of the video it should fade out and only show the text “Who’s Next?”

    https://twitter.com/BeaverFootball/status/1172313316292608000?s=19

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      Apply for the job. Even part time could probably do more.

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      OSU interviewed and hired me once (I wound up taking a better offer right before moving out there) and wanted to interview me a 2nd time for a computer job in the athletic department. That second one would have been interesting.

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        I had a very similar experience. I was offered the head coaching job for football but had to turn it down, so they hired Dennis Erickson. The funny part is that they liked me so much that they offered me the basketball head job, which I also turned down before they hired Richard McKay. Good times.

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      Just think, all these great ideas you have currently, will be used by then in the near future. Something to look forward to!

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      Wasn’t his official visit the Sac State loss, with him leaving at half time with the Beavers trailing….

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    Cal Poly makes me nervous given the Beav defense can’t seem to get in the correct position. Poly has been running the option for years. I remember watching them against Wisconsin probably 10 years ago and they lost 36-35. I think they only lost because their kicker missed extra points a la Serna. Beavs should blow them out, but who the hell knows?

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    Gettin’ edgy on da Twitter.
    https://twitter.com/BeavRecruiting/status/1172286190457769984

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      Nice to see California politicians tackling the REAL issues. Who cares about the homeless epidemic, return of medieval diseases, and debt up the wazoo? Think about the poor elite athletes!

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        Yeah they get free tuition and housing. And a lot of vagina. Boo hoo for them. They’re getting paid plenty.

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      This whole thing is confusing. As far as I know, the only reason schools punished athletes for excepting endorsement money was so they can remain eligible with the NCAA. So this is basically saying it’s illegal for schools to punish kids for not following NCAA rules. So now schools have no control, the athletes can do whatever they want, but the NCAA can still make an athlete ineligible if they accept endorsement money. Is this interpretation correct?

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        No idea how it will shake out, and it’s still not technically law yet. But I’ve read arguments that the NCAA will ban players from CA schools from post season play if this happens.
        Wonder if the threat of no bowl game will prevent players from wanting to make some scratch on the side? I would suspect the Johnny Manzels of the world could make a killing off of merchandise sales in college and would prefer to make that money vs play in the RedBox Bowl.

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          Yeah, that’s a pretty lame threat by the NCAA, as usual.

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          Was listening to DP show this morning on this topic. His argument was it will now force all other schools/states to push for this to keep things “fair”. I know it’s not state to state, it’s more school to school but it isn’t “fair” that some schools offer things to athletes like gear that they will then get when they graduate or a promise to a job when they graduate or facilities that are paid for by…you get where I’m going with this.

          So USC gets to pay players for their likeness and have Urban Meyer as their coach next year. Ah, it must be nice.

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            It’s a death blow for a sport in decline.

            The recruiting advantages of the same top 25 schools every year already made it borderline watchable, and now money will be involved. The end.

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            I don’t think the schools will be paying the athletes, they just can’t punish them if they do accept money. The money will be coming from boosters and sponsors. So Phil Knight can tell potential UO recruits that they’ll feature them in a Nike commercial and pay them gobs of money if they become a Duck. Yeah, that’s fair…

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            Dooz, who would watch the sport at that point and why? It would become a worse product than the XFL.

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            I agree 100%. It wouldn’t be worth watching.

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            I dont think the school get to pay players. Instead, players are no longer blocked from receiving money from outside sources for things related to their likeness. So….if I were a booster at a California school, I could pay an athlete for his/her autograph. Or the athlete could pull in revenue from selling merchandise with their own name on it.

            I’d imagine some athletes will be more focused on doing things to get noticed so they can up merchandise sales, rather than being good at their sport.
            Seems like it would only further strengthen the schools with deep pockets.
            At what point is NCAA athletics going to be no more credible than WWE wrestling, with mascots?

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            I’d imagine some schools would be able to set up a model where they could do away with scholarships entirely and field a team entirely of walkons, because they could find ways to have their team get paid better than they would elsewhere. Walk on at Oregon and get paid by Nike? Or take a scholarship at oregon state and receive an occasional gift card to outback steakhouse?

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            We can offer free potato salad for life. That might attract some big Southern boys.

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    Hey WFO and OldBeav, you guys see Rosewood is now off the CITIES list for guitars? I’m stoked by far my favorite fretboard material.

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      Good news especially for backs and sides, but I like ebony for fretboards.
      Lots of info on CITIES and conservation of tonewoods in Taylor Guitars “Wood and Steel” quarterly magazine.
      Winter 2018 edition pointed out the asian demand for “red woods” for furniture which lead to overly broad inclusion of, among others, Indian Rosewood.

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        Ebony is great but heavy and it chips easily.

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          I have ebony, maple and rosewood. Ebony is my favorite also but they all have their place.

          Angy did you see the Gibson Government models they released after the feds raided them and seized a bunch of rosewood, then had to return it when it turned out to be legal wood?

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    It’s since been deleted, but the Pac12 network had a promo for Oregon State posted recently, but instead of Oregon State fans, they were showing Oklahoma State fans. Derp.

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    This is still another example of the depth to which our football program has fallen, and the huge disrespect that we receive generally around the conference. I’m hearing from an increasing number of fans that they would be thrilled if only we could win 5-6 games a year. The old school happiness with mediocrity is gaining ground. Pathetic!!!

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    Lol is Building the Dam taking a shot at Angry? What reason could he possibly have for this?

    https://www.buildingthedam.com/2019/9/13/20855374/gnawing-thoughts-looking-back-at-that-dumb-game-and-looking-forward-to-cal-poly

    “Just want to remind you that Building The Dam is free and we won’t be begging for you to donate to our site.”

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      Haha. What losers.

      And yeah, they just run huge ads and signed on with some cheesy corporate network that limits what they can say, such as, “FUCK YOOOUS YOU FUCKERS!!”

      Ah the freedom of my model.

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        Is it the orangeswagger guy working for building the dam now?
        They rotate site hosts every few months it seems like. Nobody lasts long there. Maybe it doesn’t pay well?

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          I don’t know. I never even heard of building the dam never mind read it or know who hosts it.

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            It took a hit since Andy left, but the new guys are doing a podcast, which is cool. Not much activity in the comments, though. 3 years of Anderpants followed by 2-10 will do that, I guess.

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            I have plans for a podcast in December or so.
            I’ve had that plan for a while, but I think I might finally have time to do it then.

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        my check is in the mail to AB (no, really, it is) and maybe that site doesn’t “beg” for donations, but they beg me to turn off my ad blocker every time I log on, which I resolutely refuse to do.

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        I wonder how long someone would last with a riley sucks post? Minutes, perhaps seconds.

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      They get most of their info from here anyways I’m guessing

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      They deleted the comment.
      I also just realized they have 4 comments on that post.
      That site sounds like a blast. They hate us ’cause they ain’t us.

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      That’s right, they’ll just slap a dozen annoying ads on every page. I like SB Nation overall, but AB is more fun and ad-free (yes I know about blockers blah blah)

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    https://osubeavers.com/news/2019/9/12/womens-soccer-beavers-conquer-cougars.aspx

    Headline sounds like movie title on pay per view.

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    For shit’s sake, are the Beavs going to be the worst Power 5 program? Kansas is rolling Boston College on the road 38-24. Les Miles is grinning like a Chesire Cat on the sideline. Still a quarter plus to play, so they could figure out a way to screw it up.

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    So the game is on Pac-12 Oregon tomorrow?

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    Anthony Gordon zero star no body looking really good for WSU… Shows it’s all about coaching and oline… Angry can say what he wants, oline > QB

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      Gordon knows how to keep his eyes downfield when sliding in the pocket.

      And, didja see that use of 9 or 10 receivers? Doesn’t lock on to a primary, ala you know who.

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      Something to be said about the scheme as well. Leach continues to find QB’s that thrive in his scheme.

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      I agree that OLine is extremely important, but I don’t think you understand what angry was trying to say in the first place. Angry’s opinion wasn’t that a good QB is better than a good OLine, but that QB is, by far, the most important SINGLE position in football. OLine is made of multiple positions, and takes a while to build, while a single good QB will change your fortunes overnight from being terrible to at least mediocre.

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        i understand his argument and I disagree… You could be the best QB in the world and if it takes a defender 1-2 seconds to get to you, you are going to look terrible… LT is by far the most important position in football… But again it is a team sport, an above average line trumps every position group… it’s been proven over and over

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        Yes, QB is most important by far. A good line just makes that guy elite. Your LT isn’t handling the ball every play nor is he throwing it downfield. Ridiculous to think that’s the most important position. It’s important (top 5) but no not the most.

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    BASEBALL:
    This from Eggers, “Nice addition for @MitchellCanham staff with @BeaverBaseball: undergrad assistant Daniel Robertson, the former OSU outfielder who played four years in the major leagues”

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    Both Rodent schools are playing triple option teams this weekend. What are the odds?
    MN played Georgia Tech in a bowl game last season in the swan song for Paul Johnson, the Godfather for that style of offense, and totally shut them down. The DC has explained that the success was due to eye and assignment discipline. The style temps players into doing the other guys job and that opens up the lanes. Based on the first two weeks, I think this is going to be a problem for our hapless team. Expecting a wayyyy too close victory, but would not be shocked if they gag this one away. Go Beavs! Hopefully Pettibonehead has been guest coaching the scout team.

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      This is the one game this year where we know we have superior talent. If they can’t shut this offense down, then Tibs should be let go at year end. I’m seriously doubting Tibesar can teach his defense in a way that the players can learn and understand how to execute it.

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    I don’t think we lose to Cal Poly, but say we do. What happens? Anarchy? I’m going with anarchy…calls for Smith’s head.

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    Kansas just absolutely bushwhacked BC 48-24. Not only did Les Miles help them rebound from a bad loss, but the Jayhawks completely junked their ground and pound offense from week 2 in favor of a spread offense. Being willing to make wholesale changes on the level of throwing out your entire offensive playbook to give your team a better chance to win is the sort of leadership the Beavers need right now.

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      There was a lot of interesting analysis in the Kansas City newspapers showing how in the Jayhawks first two games they were just running straight into nine man fronts and getting stuffed by lesser opponents. Questions to Miles about why his QB can’t audible out of crappy plays.

      As you said, a lot of credit goes to Miles for making a quick change. I don’t see our media doing any kind of deep dives or asking hard questions.

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    Les Miles “wasn’t a good fit” for OSU huh?
    It’s almost like the admin are afraid of a big personality and actually having to do
    What it takes to put together a winning program.

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      I’m curious why people think Leach or Miles or any other coach who was currently out of coaching were just going to take the OSU job? Sure leach or miles would have been cool, how do we know they weren’t offered and they declined? I know Erickson came but that’s more about him being in the area at the time along with his northwest ties. Leach was lured to WSU because of bill moos, an actual AD that knows his job. We had BDC and the current dip shit. Barnhart hired Erickson.

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        You make a good point about whether these name coaches would have actually been interested. I would have liked to see a declaration by BDC and “dipshit” that they were pursuing these name coaches whether or not it was a possibility. With basketball, we knew that Ben Howland was being pursued, so at least they tried.

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          Erickson was either a lured by barnhart or it was right place right time and back in his old stomping grounds. Or both, Barnhart was a good AD, I would think it was more him selling the location, just like I think Moos sold WSU to Leach.
          Say we’re hiring a new coach this year, do you go after Briles? Hes a little above leach on the pariah scale but that’s about what that WSU hire was when it happened.

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      I was never sure that rumor was true, but I think so. OSU decided his personality didn’t fit. Same with Leach. Fans were part of that…they didn’t want either. Unless the fans change and become open it might be a whole lot more of the same.

      AD has been a problem. That Todd Stansbury dude sucked. Barnes is horrible.

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    Regarding Les Miles, I spoke with a donor/source who actually spoke to him on the phone. Said Miles would have taken the job in a heartbeat and added “The main donors and the influential coaches and the admin‘s here at OSU all had themselves convinced that he wasn’t a good fit. I tried to convince people myself and they just didn’t want to hear it. I talked to him On and off for a couple of weeks, one time on the phone for an hour and a half, he asked all about the stadium the facilities the town etc.… And it stopped when he was informed that there was absolutely no interest. I talked to him at length on the phone about OSU and the opportunity here. He would of taken it in a heart beat. Swear on my child’s life.”

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    Beaver decision makers are morons

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      I seem to remember an interview on JBS with some old-timer football guy from the 60’s making a similar comment and that the admin at the time determined OSU would not be known for sports but academics…and there was an effort internally to submarine athletics, which apparently persists to this day.

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        Well then let’s be known for academics. We’re not respected for either as of today.

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        I know for a fact that Erickson wanted to come back with Smith as his OC for a few years then retire and hand off the reins. Basically just get it rolling again then off to the sunset. There were many past players and donors contacted about it and the consensus was that’s not a bad idea. A letter was sent to barnes and was quickly squashed. I think that would have jump started smith and Erickson is a good evaluator of talent at least it would have gotten the ball rolling in the right direction.

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          Yes, that was reported. I think even Erickson said he reached out to the administration. I don’t think we ever heard whether Smith was interested in that plan. There is some risk with the “coach in waiting” scenarios.

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            Smith was on board. Erickson ran it by him first, they had a DC lined up also. But for the life of me I dont remember who.

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        Ohio, there was a big hubbub in the early mid 90’s with pettibone shunning the 50’s and 60’s players saying the program didnt want anything to do with the past and wanted to look to the future for inspiration for football. Basically he started canceling things like anniversary of past bowl teams, pre game get togethers of old players and such. There was a massive push back from alumni. It was bad. Another thing that stuck with past players was the recognition of the giant killers team. Not that it was a great season with a couple of signature wins but that they completely forgot about the 65 rose bowl team that beat 3 ranked teams in their season and actually played in the post season. That was Dee Andros’ doing since he coach the giant killers team then was AD for many years. It wasnt til Riley showed up that things changed for football alumni, Riley used to watch those early 60’s teams practice all the time and made an effort to bring those old guys back for the recognition they deserved. And please dont think those old football players wanted Riley back for his second stint, most of them are like us here they want a winning tradition not mediocrity.

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