This one comes down to who starts for USC. Is Slovis starts, Beavs should be in this game. Pick ’em line. 27-24 either way.
If Dart starts, the odds of the game being close drop. I’d say USC by 14 in that scenario. Something like 35-21. Mainly because he’s a really good runner, but also he has a very quick delivery with a strong arm. Very impressive, and even though the Beavs D is improved, I don’t see them stopping that at this point.
Also note: AB lost a $10 per month donor without warning this morning.
If anyone was thinking about becoming a recurring monthly donor, now would be a good time.
I don’t think we match up well against USC. Their DL is their strength, which will neutralize our run game, so Nolan is going to have to carry the load on offense. He’s improvised well against lower level athletes, but it’s a different challenge against a D full of 4 and 5-star recruits.
Their offense has scored a healthy amount of points in all their games, and there’s no reason to think our D will fare any better than their previous opponents.
People seem to think Nolan was a nobody. He had OkState, UCLA, and Utah offers. Probably could have been ranked 4-star himself. In fact, that’s what AB gave him.
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Chance Nolan — I really like this guy, and he should give Gebbia a run for his money. I see a guy with legit wheels, a strong arm, and a fluid throwing motion. He had offers from Oklahoma State, UCLA, and Utah. Big get.
I’m not disrespecting Nolan, I’m just saying he hasn’t proven himself against tough competition yet. This is his chance to announce himself on the national stage.
Yeah. I wasn’t specifically talking about you. You just triggered the comment that’s been on my mind. The sentiment out there seems to be he was a nobody so his performance vs bad teams is a fluke, etc. I’m not sure why this is, but probably the 3 star rating and coming in from JC. These guys always have a lesser reputation.
Agree he needs to prove himself vs a highly regarded team. I’d say Purdue was “tough”, though not elite. On the flipside, there’s really no evidence to suggest he can’t perform in this game.
I’m expecting something like 275 yards, 3TD, 1INT. If he is overwhelmed and doesn’t produce at least at 3/4 potential I’d be pretty surprised.
Chance shows up as a classic “late bloomer” to me (similar to Gebbia). He was a bit undersized coming out of HS. What’s encouraging is that if you look back at his film from HS, MTSU, JC, and now OSU, you can see steady improvement that only appears drastic in the present, but I can understand why the narrative shows up as “under the radar” or “unproven”.
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/3483288/59c72acfff01dc11406b1139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1n6IbQ9E7U&t=197s
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/3483288/5d890acabed6890c248b3ede
Landing at MTSU was probably the worst thing for him as they wanted him to be a Spread RPO hero, and he just doesn’t have the Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson freakish ability to dominate physically in that realm. He made the right call in getting out and going back to JC. He’s the kinda player I could see falling to a Boise St and then end up torching the mwc on the way to a Fiesta Bowl berth after a few years of development.
He played reasonably well last year, but the speed of the P12 was a little much for him in a new system with no real camp. Gebbia was more up to speed and much better because of it. But he improved as he got more time. This season he looks like a mature player. He’s making quick decisions and doesn’t panic when nothing opens up. He steps into throws with confidence and his accuracy has improved over the 3 games. He’s learning how to use his legs and when to use them. Color me encouraged.
Like most of JS recruits, and something I think is often overlooked, is that (like Gebbia) he is a high-academic achiever and really fits the “low ego, high output” mantra. He was top-10 in his high school class and is majoring in Kinesiology, which is pretty damn rigorous for a player to take on, that 200 and 300 level anatomy series is brutal on it’s own. Bodes well for his development as a Pro-Style QB.
This is a big game for him to prove he can play with big boys, but he’s shown he can step up at every other interval, so I’m betting on him putting together a competitive performance. I don’t think he’s gonna backslide enough that we’ll be calling for Noyer or Vidlak.
Hurts for Gebbia (does he transfer again?). But Nolan/Gebbia/Noyer with Gulbranson and Vidlak waiting in the wings ain’t bad, especially considering we were rolling out Seth The Great and Garretson not all that long ago. Gotta think if Chance finishes the season as the starter that at least one of them transfers out.
I feel like Nolan hasn’t gotten a fair shake because he was pretty much thrown the wolves last year due to having no spring and basically no camp due to Covid. What he has shown so far this year has been lights out. Granted yes he’s faced “lesser” competition but he came in vs Purdue and almost led us to a win.
I’m very impressed by Nolan and I feel like he’s only going to show us what he’s really capable of in the coming weeks.
Where do you get that people think he’s a nobody?
When I put my pre-season poll up he only got 20% of the vote.
https://twitter.com/angrybeavs/status/1430901619068006407
Also, it’s just a general sentiment. Hard to pinpoint exactly. Just ways the media dismissed him as an option, etc. Many even had Vidlak ahead of him.
Well he didn’t look very good in limited time last year but like someone pointed out he didn’t have a camp. He looks night and day better than he did then. I hope he continues to improve and can keep up his play against the tougher pac 12 opponents. I think if he can get help from the run game and pass protection he’ll be effective. Not sure he’s at the level where he can carry a team by himself just yet. He has the ability to make plays with his legs when things break down which is huge when the protection isn’t good. Like I’ve said we’ll know a lot after this weekend. If he doesn’t play well it’s not time to write him off yet tho. I think a lot of the fans are quick to demonize a player or coach after 1 bad performance and also anoint them as great after a good one. It’s about body of work and after another 2 games I think then it’s fair to start making assessments on chance. He’s bound to have an off game at some point but it doesn’t mean throw him on the scrap heap.
I hear your concerns about their DL. We need to neutralize their strength by doing short, quick-release passes to keep Nolan and the OL in good shape. This may essentially replace our running game to a large degree.
I expect to see a few more WR screens as well to keep them guessing. The TE will likely play a huge role in both blocking and converting 3rd and 7 type situations.
Hodgins’ absence will be felt regardless who starts. But this game is absolutely winnable if the Beavs hold the ball for 40+ minutes.
Defense gets two late stops, and Jones’ return gives that secondary much needed depth. OSU gets a historic win, 37-33
If they win this game, do we extend Smith a year?
I believe Niner gets an automatic 1 year extension for every year of bowl eligibility.
Well ya 40+ min would be a giant disparity in time that is very uncommon. 35 min is usually a pretty dominant possession of time.
Is Brayden Dorman Rich Droman’s son? Must be related since Rich liked a tweet about a commitment date. 4 star qb with a Wisconsin prediction. Maybe he wants to come play near family???
Good find. Must be related, but Rich’s OSU site bio doesnt show Rich having a son with that name
ESPN power index currently has the Beavs finishing at 8-4 with losses to UW, USC, and Nike.
Washington should be a win.
agreed and I think the beavers could possibly go 9-3 if they stay healthy and the stars are in perfect alignment.
Beavs haven’t won at USC since 1960. Streaks are meant to be broken just like the ducks recently beating tOSU. Beavers finally win in Socal 31-28.
I havent even checked which sport this dude plays or if he’s any good at it, but I want him on the Beavs just to be part of the all-name team.
https://twitter.com/SBLiveOR/status/1440015087058685955?s=19
Did you see the game Royce Fasel had? 299 yards rushing, 6 TDs, 179 yards passing and another TD. 10 tackles and an interception. Played something like 141 snaps. Give him some Beaver love everybody!!
There’s been some movement on that front since last week when somebody on here(was it you?) mentioned him.
Yeah it was me. Don’t see much talent coming through Hillsboro, so it’s kind of a big deal.
From his film, he seems a little slow for P5 football, but it’s hard to argue with his results. He finds ways to get things done at multiple positions
What about the “Scratch Ticket Smith” factor? Will his gambles pay off?
Agree on the USC QB. A running and throwing threat….Some are already suggesting he should replace Slovis, just as Slovis usurped his predecessor…
New presser up. The volume is super low for me.
What’s with the last ten seconds of that interview? Smith lets out a big sigh and seems stressed.
Well yeah, he has USC coming up and he had to waste time answering fluffy questions about growing up in LA and when OSU last won at USC (60 years ago)
Pretty weak group of questions anyway
Ya they nees to fix the quality of the presser. At least give the reporters a Mic when asking questions.
Shakaun Bowser has committed to Colorado. The crystal balls were all saying Kansas State for months. Don’t trust the balls
What do the blue balls predict?
Absence of Beavers
Any relation to Sha-Na-Ha Bowser?
Anybody know where they post attendance figures for games at Reser?
I’m curious what they landed on this week
The box scores on the OSU athletic site has the attendance figures.
26,797 for the Idaho game??
Come on now, OSU.
Maybe divide by 3
Shhhh, home cooking is tasty
That’s the total weight of all people attending not the total number of people.
Haha….Before or after libations….?
I resemble that remark
I was there. 10K max
Game vs UW on 10/2 set for a 6pm start, on PAC12.
Even with a W vs USC, that 6pm factor will keep attendance down, report will probably still show over 26k but we know better.
6pm start should impact attendance too much.
If OSU won at USC, ending a long losing streak there (51 years?), putting the Beavs at 3-1 with a chance (heh heh) to end a several year losing streak hosting UW, with students on campus, it should be sold out, with the expectation a few thousand fans are wearing purple.
If its not sold out after a win at USC, its likely a concern about COVID and crowds.
Sold out? Doubt it. Student section will be full but it’ll be three quarters full of the beavs win at USC.
UW fans won’t travel. Not after the early season debacles.
Good point on the UW fans.
But don’t you think if it were say, 10-15 years ago, and the Beaves beat USC ON THE ROAD, and returned home to face UW and were 3-1, it would be packed? Maybe not completely sold out, but 35K+ and loud?
Maybe the fans from 10-15 years ago (septuagenarians) have passed on and haven’t been replaced.
If the team wins 6 games on the remaining schedule, ensuring a bowl game and an 8 win season, and doesn’t average 35K at home, I hope that’s due to COVID concerns.
It’s going to take a whole season of good things for fans to return in droves.
Might get sell outs next year with reduced capacity!!
When was the last time we had a non Civil War sell out? Wisconsin?
Gary Andersen
38-24 condums
I really want the Beavs to pull this one out. My heart is saying Beavs.
My gut is saying, that Dart qb in one game looked like he might be the best Trojan qb the last 20 years. Just my opinion. That kid is going to be an absolute beast.
Going with gut, as wrong as I want to be 42-27 Trojan. Chance can prove me wrong hopefully. And the secondary….
Nothing says legendary QB like 1 big game against a bottom of the pac 12 team with maybe the best wr in football.
He was named national HS player of the year, so it wouldn’t be that outlandish.
Well Colleto was Washington player of the year at qb and we all know how that turned out. I’m just saying to say he might be the best to come through usc after 1 game against a bad pac 12 team. I mean usc gets really great QBs out of high school and have had some good college QBs in the last 20 years including their national championships.
Yeah he looks great. Hope they start the other guy.
He’s a freshman. Time for us to outsmart a young player. Tibs needs to give confusing looks. Glad there is tape on him. Wazzu was probably caught off guard. Don’t let him get comfortable in the pocket but spy him.
https://twitter.com/insidetroy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
“We don’t know Kedon Slovis’ injury status.”
“We know Jaxson Dart is going to be held out for at least a little while.
So could true freshman Miller Moss get first team reps in practice tomorrow? Could he start Saturday night?
Crazy.”
Also london, wr was in concussion protocol
What’s wrong with Dart?
knee got hit
Ah. That’s a huge bummer for him, but good news for the Beavs. I’m not sure if I’d rather see Slovis or Moss. Don’t know much about either. Looks like both are pocket passers who aren’t run threats, which helps tremendously.
I thought I read it was just a bruise. Granted, that can limit your mobility, but this seems more like a precautionary thing than anything. I guess they may be hesitant to start him if he can’t participate in game prep.
I would expect Dart to play if Slovis isn’t good to go otherwise I think Slovis starts. Dart finished the game so I would think he’ll be fine a week after. I’m more concerned about London. He might be the best WR in college football and was a big part of Darts performance. That guy’s a beast and it would really help us out if he can’t play.
I’d think USC would be careful with London, rest him, and just assume they can out talent/out depth Oregon State…but his concussion health might not be their biggest priority.
Just something of interest regarding the transfer portal. Clemson RB Lyn-J Dixon entered the portal today. He has since followed Beavrecruiting, and Beav coaches Stewart, Yray and Vam Akeran. Doesnt mean anything specifically because he has followed several other accts from other teams too, but good to know we at least have a foot in the door.
He’s a 2018 4* RB out of Georgia with offers out of highschool from pretty much every heavy hitter team in the south.
Played significantly from 2018-2020 as a freshman/sophomore/Junior. This year he seems to be unhappy that an underclassman has passed him up and Clemson’s new RB coach doesnt seem to get along with him. Dabo said publicly he “needs to grow up”.
Graduates in December.
In his film he has alot of Jermar Jefferson in him. Good vision, patient runner, shifty, and can rip off the occasional big play.
Averages an impresaibe 6.6 ypc on his career.
Anyway, by my count, he could redshirt this year and still have 2 years to play 2(since 2020 was a freebie)
Also, DE Andrew Chatfield from Florida looks to have a similar clock. If he sits this season, he should still have 2 to play 2. I dont think he has graduated yet.
Our RB room is pretty deep right now. Not sure how he would fit in, and it doesn’t sound like he would be too open to platooning.
Wouldn’t mind more depth but I think Martinez ends up being the next generation bell cow after sitting for a year. Guys really impressive.
I like Baylor, but he’s just solid and not great – significant dropoff from Jefferson last year. Plus he’s had a lot of injury issues over the years. Really not sold on Fenwick or Lowe.
I’d absolutely take a solid guy that could compete for the top spot and otherwise slide in as a quality #2.
Yeah Lowe doesn’t have the greatest vision nor can he break many tackles. Seems to go down on first contact.
That’s how i view it. If you can find a talent upgrade, take it. Players on your roster who cant keep up will transfer out and find playing time at another school. I think this is the formula OSU needs in order to stay competitive with schools that can recruit better HS talent
I agree, let’s not be the Blazers here and pass on Jordan and Durant cause we’re good in our positions. Not saying this kid is the next Barry Sanders, but you never know
Never thought i’d live to see the day when Beaver fans wanted to pass on a 4* talent who played meaningful minutes each of his first 3 seasons with a perrenial national championship contender. Oh, and he’s also the 2nd best player in terms of career YPC in that school’s history.
The Beavers have arrived!!
lol! I think we can make room. Baylor graduates next year and then Fenwick, Lowe, Shannon and Alfieri the year after.
This guy would graduate the same year as Baylor if he redshirts this year.
Fenwick ran for a 5.4 avg in the SEC and has a 5.7 avg at OSU. Why aren’t you sold?
Lowe has the worst vision I think I’ve ever seen. But he still has value due to his burst. I’d like to see him more on 3rd down/screens.
Looked super slow and plodding in person at the Hawaii game. Most of his carries on the year came against Idaho so I’m guessing those numbers are inflated…willing to be wrong and hope that I am but just not seeing it yet.
Baylor – jack of all trades, solid but not great at any one thing
Lowe – fast but horrible vision
Fenwick – powerful but slow. Needs to be more decisive and get downhill if he’s going to be effective.
To corroborate that, Fenwick’s numbers:
Purdue: 1 carry / 1 yd (1 YPC)
Hawaii: 4 carries / 8 yds (2.0 YPC)
Idaho: 7 carries / 59 yds (8.4 YPC)
That’s not a significant sample size.
We also have Martinez coming in next year who looks really good, Newell waiting in the wings who was our #2 recruit a year ago, and lost our #1 ranked recruit from the previous year (Madison) because there wasn’t going to be playing time for him.
I’m not saying we don’t want him, I’m saying from that guy’s perspective, this isn’t necessarily an easy playing time scenario. I doubt the coaches are telling him that either, as they seem to think we’re deep (playing 3 guys instead of committing to a clear #1).
I never liked Baylor prior to this season, but he is much improved this season and has shown he is very solid with his cutbacks and what appears to be a new burst of speed that I haven’t seen before.
He was always good. Very high career YPC. Used to be more of a slasher so he changed his game a bit.
He clearly has confidence and runs like it. He’s an equivalent to a fifth year senior so that helps a lot. Sometimes when players get the nod, they rise to the occasion.
SI Power Rankings have us at #6 in the conference
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/si-pac-12-football-power-rankings-cal-and-uw-tied-for-no-8-entering-clash-in-seattle/ar-AAOEigK?ocid=entnewsntp
Beavs schedule includes 5 of the 6 ranked below them. Can they get 4 W’s from that group?
Didn’t realize Baylor had been with the program for so long and still has a year left!
Several guys left from the GA era.
Hughes Murray
Bradford
Flemings
Baylor
Grant
Keobounnam
Sharp
I think Lowe could still end up being really good. The perceived vision issue could just be a matter of having very little experience at RB at this level. It’s easier to process information quickly with more reps. Clearly the coaches see some potential in him.
His problem isn’t exactly a bad one. With his speed and burst he gets positive yardage and first downs pretty well. The issue he has is he misses cutbacks and lanes that could be touchdowns. If he figures out how to maneuver in the 2nd level he could be a big play machine.
Lowe seems like he may find himself in the slot eventually.
Wow, Charlie Brewer is leaving Utah after getting benched last weekend. This really looked like a year where Utah could step up and take control of the South, but they’re definitely trending down right now.
Luck o’ da Beavers!
So far, the Beavers positive luck this year is pretty uncanny…
Well, we aren’t playing Utah this year, nor are we in the South…
We play utah oct 23rd at home
Thank you. I just downvoted myself to compensate for my stupidity.
Justyn Martin decommits from Cal. Think Michigan and maybe Ole Miss were other front runners? Wonder if Cal’s performance so far have made him change his mind.
Ole Miss doesn’t have a QB yet in this class, so it seems like they would be the front runner. Their offense has to be attractive to an incoming QB right now.
Decommit usually indicates academic issues. Especially if they were the top guy at their position coming in.
In the sec, if you can throw the ball, you are getting into school.
NO it does not lol
LA TIMES on USC QBs this week:
“USC’s unexpected quarterback competition might have to wait.
After hobbling through his dynamic debut Saturday following a shot to the knee, freshman quarterback Jaxson Dart is still dealing with soreness and will be “day to day” this week, USC interim coach Donte Williams revealed Monday night on USC’s Trojans Live radio show.
Williams said Sunday there would be a competition this week between Dart and junior Kedon Slovis to see who would lead the offense on Saturday against Oregon State. But on Monday night, he explained USC plans to “hold [Dart] out a little bit for precautionary reasons.”
“We’re going to save Jaxson from himself a little bit,” Williams said, adding the quarterback competition would still continue this week.
Dart didn’t seem concerned about his knee after Saturday’s victory at Washington State, while Williams added he never considered taking the freshman out of the game.
“You have little bumps and bruises throughout the game and that kinda just comes with playing the game, so I’ll be good,” Dart said.
Dart also appeared on Trojans Live on Monday night, but he was not asked about his knee injury.
Slovis is dealing with his own injury after he was forced to exit Saturday’s game following a helmet-to-helmet collision. The two-time all-conference quarterback spent the rest of the game on the sideline with a sore neck while Dart took his place, lighting up Washington State’s defense for 391 yards and four touchdowns during an unexpectedly stellar debut.
Williams said during Sunday night media access he expected Slovis to be ready to practice this week after X-rays and an MRI on his neck came back negative.
If Dart is forced to miss time this week, it’s unlikely he’d be able to unseat Slovis, who has kept his job as USC’s starting quarterback since the 2019 season opener. If neither is ready to go this week, USC would be forced to turn to another true freshman, Miller Moss, to lead the offense.”
They’re just playing it up for the media so OSU doesnt know who to prepare for. Smith did it before Hawaii. I really doubt Dart is being held back this week and USC probably already has their starter in place and preparing for this week’s game
Exactly. It was reported as a knee bruise and there hasn’t been any other info to suggest it was more than that.
supposedly Dart didn’t practice today
Confirmed by Williams
Do we believe everything Williams says this week when he’s trying to get his first win in front of fans as USC coach and has already said it’s Oregon State’s problem to figure out which QB to prep for?
Are things so bad at USC that the HC has to flat out lie to reporters in a way that could easily be proven false, all in the name of beating a conference bottom feeder that hasn’t beaten them at home in 60 years?
Yes
Yes. Hope it’s Slovis w/London held out for concussion safety.
Hey Whiskey, how was Bob Saget and Helium?
Thinking of going to a show there later this year. What’s the setup like in there?
Just saw this, was a busy week….
Saget was great. We sat front row center table right in front of the mic. I got picked on quite a bit during his set.
Helium is a decent venue. Maybe 200 people total fit in there? If you buy reserved seats you get a table up in the front. That’s all we’ve ever done. Probably not a bad seat in there if you do go general admission.
I’d recommend helium. But I also recommend you park as close as you can. It’s a bum shit hole with tents all over the sidewalks. We were able to park within 2 blocks.
Speaking of RB’s, Martinez getting more accolades and attention in Texas, but is “locked in” on Oregon State and still planning to enroll early.
Pick’em games for this week are set. First game is Friday with UNLV/Fresno St
A look at Oregon State from the USC perspective. Some of our numbers are pretty impressive so far!
https://247sports.com/college/usc/Article/USC-Trojans-2021-football-Week-4-Oregon-State-Beavers-football-Pac-12-football–171410203/
Let’s see–I could write about how China stole gain of function research from a lab in Winnipeg (which I first reported on this site the first week of March 2020; the public disclosure of which was big news in Canada in late June of this year but buried by corporate media down here); OR, to really annoy people, I could cite the latest analysis on going for it on 4th down, in light of John Harbaugh’s decision Sunday night, courtesy of today’s Wall Street Journal. A few choice quotes about this “tactical innovation”:
“Going for it wasn’t bold. It was smart.”
“[Baltimore’s] options were to punt and pin Mahomes deep in his own territory, or try to seal the win with a first down.”
“Even after a successful punt, a minute would have been plenty of time for [Mahomes] to engineer a scoring drive.”
“The numbers backed that Jackson and Harbaugh made the right call. According to one model, they had a 84% chance at winning by deciding to go for it. Punting would have given them a 66% chance. Even before they converted, they boosted their own win probability by 18 percentage points.”
Their model also said:
4th and 4 pass play with Luton <> 4th and 1 run play with Lamar Jackson.
Just watched the highlights of USC @ WSU. Recognizing there are no transitive properties in football, there were a few things that made me think the Beavers have a very competitive opportunity (notice I didn’t use the word “chance”?) Saturday.
Apparently USC’s sack of the WSU QB was its first of the season, and I only saw one sack in the highlights. If OSU’s line can play up to its potential, Nolan should have adequate time to throw and run, particularly if they are quick routes. Others have suggested screens already.
Dart was impressive, but he did provide turnovers.
Dart also extended plays, so its important Beaver rushers be persistent and keep pursuing. Beavers in the backfield can’t give up on a play early. Similarly, OSU’s DBs have to keep playing if Dart keeps moving and extending plays.
WSU’s RB had 56 yards in the first quarter, and picked up another 10 or so on a run later in the game. OSU’s stable of running backs should be able to be at least if not more effective. Lowe could get some nice burst runs, hopefully he reads the D better.
I like Lindgren’s offense and play calling against USC’s D. Hope he continues to mix in multiple TEs and maybe a FB once in a while. I also think it would be productive for OSU to play their more physical receivers, as USC won’t have much scouting film on them.
As I said before, I think its important the Beavs keep mentally strong. They’ve done a pretty good job of that under Smith so far as One Old Beav pointed out.
I watched the entirwe USC-WSU game and WSU had them on the ropes in the 1st half. WSU was stopped 2 times inside the 10 for no points. USC was out of sorts and Slovis looked mediocre.
WSU qb made some nice palys and USC defense looked like they were doubting themselves a bit without any pressure on WSU qb.
2nd half different story due to quick turnovers by WSU and freshmen qb that WSU hadn’t seen. Dart was hit on his right knee pretty good on a scramble but continued. He also will give Beavers opportunity for turnovers. He was pretty much only throwing to Drake London, and WSU didn’t really adjust to it the whole 2nd half.
WSU had a real chance to be up 28-0 in the first half then puked all over themselves and let the Trojans regroup. WSU fanbase must be continually tormented by their football program.
I would guess that Beavs hav e been holding back on some of the offense until this week. Nolan will be much more comfortable than he was last year at Utah, and the USC defense isn’t as stout or dominant as they have been in the past. Advantage OSU offense, offensive line and Beavs will score points.
OSU defense is now in its 4th game against a pass oriented offense. USC isn’t tailback U anymore and it will be to the Beavs advantage to send pressure and not need to worry about stopping the run as in times past. USC is essentially a soft Air Raid offense with decent recievers. Drake is good but he may be out with a concussion. He was knocked out on the turf after being tackled and slammed backwards to the ground, curious to see if he suits up, likely I guess.
I like the Beavs chances to slow down USC and create turnovers, especially if the freshman is playing. Tibs needs to mix up coverages and blitz packages and keep the kid guessing all game, force him to be patient and he will make mistakes.
I like the Beavs chances to score in the high 30’s to low 40’s and hold USC to mid 20’s while getting key turnovers and succeeding on 3rd and long finally.
FInal score: OSU 38- USC 24
Beavs turn the corner in the JS era this weekend, similar to DE winning at Reser in 2000. Beavs need to bring a possum to the Coliseum…
I watched the game too. That was USC’s first sack but then they went on to get good pressure throughout the game including a strip sack in the end zone for a TD.
Like Ohio beav said they had them on the ropes but really beat themselves and let USC back into it. The stops around the goal line was a killer. They just continued to give USC momentum plays.
The QB played well but part of it was he was throwing up to his receivers and they were just making better plays especially London. That kid is nasty. Thats my biggest concern is them just throwing the ball up and our guys getting beat on the plays for the ball or committing PI. That seems to be an area that the Beavs aren’t able to throw jump balls up and win them or draw PI calls.
I agree tho that they should be able to run the ball with decent effectiveness. WSU used some tunnel screens that were really effective and almost broke into huge plays. USC did adjust well however. The one thing they have to be careful of with the short passing game is sometimes they bring pressure but expect the short route and sit on it. I don’t think the Beavs can beat themselves and win this game.
The turnover battle will decide this game IMO. I don’t see us stopping them many times without turnovers. If they can prevent big plays and play tough in the red zone and hold them to field goals that could be huge as well.
All in all I think this will be a high scoring and exciting game to watch. I really hope the Beavs can pull it off but it will be tough and I think they’ll have to play near perfect.
also wsu lost their starting qb for a lot of the game, especially 2nd half, then rotated qbs rest of game. Their 4th string walk on played some as well.
Happy Fall, ma doods.
Harrison says Nolan has mastered the playbook and been “dialed in since Spring practice, to be honest” in this interview. I knew this couldn’t have been out of the blue. The media never knows how to ID the best player at QB for whatever reason. We’ve seen that a lot, and we shouldn’t put any value on their write ups moving forward. Big story here is Smith messed up personnel and fell for recency bias (Noyer had a few good games last year) and appeal to authority (Noyer was PAC 12 player of the week). Really a shame because we’d be 3-0 if he went with the obvious choice, and based on Harrison’s comments Nolan was always the obvious choice.
Or maybe Harrison (and you) are succumbing to recency bias just because Nolan has had a few good games against bad teams?
In all fairness, it was easy to see from 3 minutes of scrimmage footage that Noyer was terrible. The only other QB observations we got were that Gebbia was “slightly ahead” of Noyer (an injured Gebbia, bear in mind), everyone raving about how Vidlak looked good “for a freshman”, and a throwaway comment in one of the Edge practice reports that Nolan’s passes looked crisp. All QB’s scrimmage stats were equally mediocre.
Not sure how anyone thought they could compare ’21 Noyer to ’20 Noyer when ’20 Noyer played the last few games with an injured shoulder so his mechanics would have been different. Maybe he’s like the kid from Rookie of the Year? Gardenhoser!
I trust the opinion of a player who is there catching passes from all of them. Nolan has been good and a different player for a while.
But what did the receivers say before the first game?
“Go Beav’s?”
Chance was 3rd and 4th on the depth chart at times in the fall camp… then last 2 weeks he started finding his footing and dominated out of nowhere. Hats of to him.. but this was a big surprise as all media personnel wrote him off based on his fall camp play and was third 3rd string at best most of the way.
That’s my point, though. The media always gets it wrong. They said McMaryion was awful, too. They simply don’t know how to analyze QB play. Harrison just said Nolan has been this good since Spring ball. I’d believe him over Mamma Machado’s opinion seeing a few plays.
McMaryion WAS bad until halfway through his second year of game action. He saw quite a bit of time in 2015 and looked overmatched. That carried into 2016 until he started getting more confident.
It’s a good reminder of how the psychological part of the game is important and more difficult to evaluate. McMaryion had the physiological tools to succeed (which is what Riley saw when he recruited him), but he looked like a deer in the headlights for over a year before he settled down.
Hopefully Squinty Chance is dead and Conquering Phoenix Chance has been reborn from his ashes.
McMaryion WAS bad
You’re talking about that one pass in his own territory? Come on…GA brought him in at the worst time.
There were people that year saying Nick Mitchell was the best QB on the roster. They praised Luke Del Rio because he had a big arm that “couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn”, yet many thought he was the best because he threw it furthest. Remember when they liked Garrettson? Remember how Seth the Great was the best option because he could hurdle? Media gets the QB battle wrong every Spring.
No, I’m talking about all the game time he had in 2015 where he had a 40% CP and went 1TD/3INT, then basically carried that same line through the first few games of 2016. Yes, it was mostly garbage time, but we’ve had QB’s look good in garbage time (e.g. Vidlak, Gulbranson) and MM definitely did not. He didn’t look any more composed when he got the majority of the snaps.
Man, we might have had GA even longer if he had started MM in 2017. That was definitely a team that could have scraped out 4-5 wins with a competent QB.
Man, reliving those years is painful. Our offensive philosophy was basically just telling the QB to go do whatever felt right.
Yeah. GA had an obsession with finding Chuckie Keeton 2.0 and never could.
It wasn’t Machado doing any of the write ups. Not to mention they recorded the completions and attempts every practice. Nolan’s were horrible up until the last week or 2. So to say it was their opinion is false it was fact based on numbers at the time. The reports from fans and writers was Nolan didn’t look like he was a D1 qb after the first scrimmage I think. It’s clear he’s turned it around and must’ve had an ah ha moment. But Smith said he based it on a body of work and when Nolan was throwing picks and completing around 50% of his passes for most of the battle I don’t think you can say it was the wrong call based on what he was shown. Hindsight is 20/20 and I’m sure he wished he would’ve started Nolan but probably didn’t feel comfortable with him just because he had a week and a half of good football out of all his opportunities.
Where are these practice stats? Post a link to them.
I highly doubt they’re accurate given that the media can’t even view entire practices.
Only in person action i saw was the spring game with only Nolan and Vidlak and a bunch of 3rd string receivers. Nolan had the play of the day, but otherwise looked worse than Vidlak.
Most practice reports from Summer had Nolan running with the 2nd string offense. Seems that would have to hurt his performance in camp when comparing it with guys playing with the 1st string offense
They were able to watch for all of camp. Olive ,edge had them blitz is pay wall. They were just attempts and completions TD and ints. I’m not looking them up because they’re back a ways but they’re there if you want to find them. Should be accurate because they were all the same.
No the reports were from spring and fall camp and Nolan, Noyer, and Gebbia all rotated with first and 2nd teams. They would have 2 team reps going on on each side of the field. The reports say who ran with 1s and 2s each day.
I liked that he didn’t seem to make a big deal out of playing in the Coliseum. Also enjoyed the question and response, about whether or not the receivers “like each other” given all the depth, competition, and having to share reps/opportunities.
His comment about not picking up from where he left off last year, that it may be due to the play calling, gives me hope that Lindgren will show some other cards this Saturday, and maybe Harrison, Gould, Beason, Lindsey, Bradford, and Tongue(?) are going to provide more of a challenge than USC might appreciate.
Its interesting to watch these young guys in interviews. For many of them, its challenging and its important to remember how young they are and inexperienced with media interactions. Later, they’ll have all the cliche answers down to the cliche questions…
Something that bothers me more than the qb mismanagement is the way Smith called the first game. On the radio there is an interview clip (a little preview thing for Conzano show) where Smith talks about not determining a successful season based on wins and losses. Instead he says, I told the team a month ago we play 12 games this year and with this team, we can line up every Saturday and have a chance to win. Well then why are you telling your team you don’t trust them by going for it in your own territory down 2 with 8 minutes to go…Lose to a better team making sound decisions. Don’t put your team in a tough spot due to controllable decisions.
Are we actually sure there is no transitive properties in football? Wouldn’t that imply that there is zero probability of prediction of any outcomes? I get that final results like yardage totals, scores and turnovers are not really predictable but it makes no sense to say zero. If two teams run the same play against the same defense multiple times then that’s a transitive property where you can compare performance. Otherwise what’s the point of first, second and third string or studying tape at all? I would argue that averages like yards per rush, yards per pass, yards after contact, yards after catch, broken tackles, TFL, hurries and many other average per down statistics can be used in a transitive analysis to compare teams they have not played.
For instance if one team has 15 broken tackles and the other has 3 against the same defense I would argue that the first team is substantially better at breaking tackles.
In statistical terms: there’s correlation, but not statistically significant correlation between two individual game results. It may be a sample size problem because you only get one run through of each matchup.
“For instance if one team has 15 broken tackles and the other has 3 against the same defense I would argue that the first team is substantially better at breaking tackles.”
Your other variable is the tackling performance by that same defense. It could be wildly different. The “broken tackles” could come in different situations, by different players, etc.
Also, a lot of those stats are heavily scheme dependent (e.g. Mike Leach QB stats).
I think that’s still tough to say – what if team A (15 broken tackles) had a Derrick Henry – type RB: huge & powerful? And team B just had average RBs? Or team A had a mauling O-line and the defense’s secondary tackled much worse than their LBs?
Or, what if the defensive team had a key injury between the two games and the opposing team wound up picking on the backup (who didn’t tackle well)? Or conversely, a poor performing tackler gets benched between the games and the backup does much better?
Or maybe most significantly, the difference is just a result of scheme and matchup.
Bottom line is there are a lot of variables and teams are very dynamic week to week. There are personnel changes, individual performances that have a huge effect on the game, and major differences in schematic matchups. One game is also a very small sample size for most metrics.
You really can’t make conclusions like that unless you know every variable that lead to the outcome on the play. It’s not just sample size. It’s more than that and gets into philosophy (i.e. determinism/Laplace’s demon). This is why every week what should happen doesn’t happen (i.e. chaos theory/butterfly effect).
There really is no transitive property. You can make some prediction of what you think will happen based on a past result, but what actually happens is going to be the result of million of decisions, thoughts, and actions prior to the game. Said another way: each game is a unique event.
Beavs beat the Ducks, Ducks beat Ohio State, therefore Beavs should beat Ohio State?
Yeah you can see how silly it is when doing examples like that. Do it with an upset like Appalachian State beating Michigan and it gets even weirder.
I would look at it more as Ohio state
Has 7.6 yds per carry and beavs have 5.2 yards per carry. Beavs not as good at running the ball against the ducks. You can’t say win-loss but you can determine that against the ducks Ohio state runs better and likely runs better than Oregon state against other teams. The more common opponents the more correlation and the certainty of any determination can be. If you add up every category with every common opponent you get a better picture of the result if you run the same game 100 times. It’s still just the highest probability on a significant curve and any game can be an outlier.
I just don’t get how we can say there is no transitive properties. If that’s the case why do we make predictions at all? How can we have gut feelings or guesses? Obviously there’s ways to determine what teams are good at what things and if there is common opponents there’s comparison points. That’s all Phil Steele does and those simulation results are higher than 50% correct. If you look at the full reports they have error bars on everything like OSU rushing 90-150 yds or something like that.
Injury and coaching changes throw everything out the window for sure though.
I just don’t get how we can say there is no transitive properties. If that’s the case why do we make predictions at all?
Because it’s fun, and we think we know the probable outcome based on past results. We can make deductions regarding what a team is good at, but it’s not going to mean they’re good at it that week vs that opponent. What if Chance Nolan gets hammered before the USC game or one of Baylor’s relatives dies. Where’s that in the Hawaii film or Phil Steele reports? Nowhere. But it will effect outcome greatly.
Yeah okay I get what your saying. I guess when I’m doing my own stupid analysis the results week to week are already probabilistic in my head so I don’t make the differentiation. I never think that I can nail a week to week result, I think more if you ran it 100 times based on the info you have then the most likely outcome = blah. It’s already flawed because the previous outcomes could also be outliers.
So basically we’re saying the same thing in different ways.
Considering the most accurate predictions are kickers with more than 50 in game attempts at various ranges it’s an impossible task. That’s as close to an isolated event as you can get in football.
I said previously that there is. It’s more about matchups in college football and that’s why some teams get blown out or beat up on teams that’s unexpected. Its because college football has such a variety of schemes from school to school that sometimes a team that isn’t very good can upset 1 that is because they match up well with scheme and philosophy. For example Stanford has a pretty unique scheme and has had some real success with it but will always lose at least 2 to 3 games a year.
Couldnt tease it this AM, but we got Chatfield!
Huge get.
This guy’s offer sheet is a who’s who of college football. Anyone know if he’s damaged goods, grade issues, etc?
From what I read, the only issue I read about was some “nagging” injuries in fall camp this year, but I’m not sure what they were.
I mean, his offer sheet is OK, I guess…
Florida
Oklahoma
Miami (FL)
Florida State
Arkansas
Fresno State
Indiana
Kentucky
Louisville
LSU
Maryland
Michigan State
Mississippi State
Missouri
North Carolina
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oregon
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
TCU
Temple
Tennessee
UCF
Utah
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Wisconsin
I’m concerned there’s no Bama on that list
No Nebraska either.
What a great way to start the day! Doesn’t look like he has a lot of tackles as a LB. What am I missing? Does he play more on the D-line?
I guess he is an edge rusher so that makes more sense. That’s an awesome addition.
Physically he’s a plug and play at 6’2 260 on the edge. 16 games of SEC experience and 2 years of eligibility.
NB does this year count on his eligibility or is there some kind of transfer change that’s happened? Would he play this year?
https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/andrew-chatfield-jr-/14332
I havent been able to get a straight answer. Nemec is saying he has to sit this season, and then has 2 years remaining. Which makes sense based on normal procedures.
What i never found out is if he is graduated yet. Ive asked but never got an answer. I would think a graduated player could enroll for Fall and play immediately.
But i have to trust Andrew has it correct since that is his job to get these answers right before he publishes
I’d prefer he has 2 full years to play after this season. Let him get comfortable in the system and make any physical adjustments he needs to fit the scheme.
Thanks for the info!
Ive confirmed it that he’s got to sit
Is he allowed to practice and workout with the team this year though? If so, he will have a monster head start going into spring camp.
I think that’s what Nemec wrote. Joins team immediately.
Biggest hurdle is theyve got to get him attending class. Dont want another Devon Williams fiasco
Seth can tutor him on that…
He already played for UF this year, so I find it really hard to believe he could play at OSU this season, too.
Seems odd to me that he suited up/played for UF after already having entered the transfer portal at the end of August. Can’t imagine that happens very often.
PFF graded him as a 71 in 2019 (all-conference), but only a 61 in 2020 (replacement level). Didn’t get a ton of playing time either year, looks like they used him as a second-tier DL rotation player. He did play in one game this year, too.
Here’s some more info:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/mullen-andrew-chatfield-still-here-with-florida-gators/ar-AAO9TsU
Huge get. We lose Schad next year but with Sio and Hodgins returning, it looks like DL could be a strength next year.
DL is the hardest group to develop in football, but I think Tibs has turned it around. Our front 7 is really taking shape. The next fire to extinguish is the DBs.
Chatfield with only 2.5 sacks. Was he a starter last year? What’s his story?
He was a depth player who was in the rotation, but didn’t get the majority of snaps.
Looks like he was in rotation. Maybe in OH can look up his pff and see how many snaps he played. He was one of three 4 star EDGE types in his class. 2019 they brought in four 4 star EDGE types, 2020 three 4 star EDGE types, 2021 two 4 star EDGE types.
You could be the best EDGE in Oregon state history and barely break the rotation for the gators. Reps matter at every position so getting lost on the depth chart might not mean much on a roster like that.
Our best edge rusher EVER (whoever that is, beats the hell out of me) is worse than a random second stringer on Florida in any given year? That’s a bit of hyperbole.
Best edge rusher may have been Scott Crichton drafted third round 2014
DeLawrence Grant or Bill Swanncut would be on the list, too.
Maybe the guy that has the season record Rashed is worth mentioning?
No I mean if our edge guys didn’t get the reps early in their career. If you have 8 4 star guys and you come in as a 3 star the physical talent difference may never allow you to get the in game and practice reps to become great. Ham didn’t come in and light the world on fire. He had 2 full years in the system getting quality reps to become what he was.
Fwiw, i asked to get an idea if we are totally full scholarship wise, or if we still would have room to add another transfer should the right opportunity came along. Short answer is we still have room. Good to know we’ll be keeping an eye out for more transfer talent during the season.
Machado stating on Twitter Chatfield will have 3 years to play. I thought I read 2?
Year 1 – sit out
Year 2&3 – play
It’s more like 2 to play 2, after sitting 1 year.
You’ll have to forgive her, she had to tweet while showing a house in the burbs.
Chatfield is a 4 bedroom 3.5 bath split level with walk in closets and a jacuzzi tub in the master bath.
Someone mentioned (in an earlier thread) Presbyterian football putting up 60+ PPG by always going for it on 4th down, always onside kicking, and always going for 2.
Well, they got burned 72-0 in their game against Campbell.
Is it too late to schedule Presbyterian?
Episcopalian has an open date and they always punt on second down.
Chat field looks like a beast in his HS film. He plays with good discipline too honoring the option and running backs. Let’s just hope he can be like one of the impact transfers and not one of the guys that never see the field.
I would say usually these guys are ones who just need a change of scenery. But hope it doesn’t end like Charles Moore. Beastly guy but left before even playing.
The JC transfers is where the beavs haven’t had much luck in getting those guys to produce. Qbs have been fine but nearly every where else, not so much. Shippen was a top DL transfer. Barely plays. Overall success rate is far below the transfer portal guys.
Everyone is different.
Moore never played a down at Auburn. Shippen was a highly rated JC player, but going from JC to PAC-12 is still a big jump in competition and academic rigor. Chatfield was in the DL rotation at Florida for two years, but just got squeezed out by a bunch of other high-level recruits. That doesn’t mean he’s a slam dunk, but his odds of making an impact seem higher than they were for the other two.
Sandberg low rated and now is a starter. Really need to be good evaluators to be successful. I noted how the 2nd team OL that came in was pretty surprising with Miller and morano on it. Hopefully that’s not an indication of them missing on a lot of OL recruits.
By the way what’s up with Gumbs? Usually when they don’t play and say it’s not an injury maybe he’s sick or not medically cleared to play? Academics? I wouldn’t think it would be academics as he’s not had a problem in the past and think his goal is to play in the league and that’s why he came to play in Tibs system. Plus Smith has had really good academics since he’s been here. Will we ever see Gumbs play again?
Great question. This is where the lack of a skilled beat reporter really shows.
Well to be fair Smith isn’t saying anything other than he’s not available. Maybe resting him til league play? That would be cool.
It takes very little effort to simply report what the staff/school says publicly.
Seems to me someone like NiceBeaver (if he were a full-time paid scribe) could dig out more information. Look what NiceB finds by watching twitter accounts, etc.
There are teammates, support staff, girlfriends, classmates, hangers on, neighbors, etc. Some of them likely know what is going on.
Takes digging, especially if you require two independent sources, but that is exactly what “beat reporters” are supposed to do.
If a “journalist” has found the facts and keeps quiet for fear of losing access, that’s probably a reflection of the current media dynamics, a topic on it’s own.
He’s on twitter. Maybe a fan should just go ask him nicely “when will we get to see you suit up?”
Fair enough.
Back to the upcoming game, from the AP after Tuesdays practice:
But Williams, who has proven to be more elusive than his predecessor Helton when it comes to disclosing injuries, was vague on how USC would handle the position.
“It’s something we have to figure out,” Williams said. “Maybe we’ll play Wildcat, so we’ll just take it day by day.”
NOTES: London attended practice but did not participate after sustaining an apparent head injury against Washington State.
As others have said, expect a lot of spin to continue as the new coach tries to gain an advantage and keep Tibs guessing.
Kyrei Fisher has a very good personality and seems intelligent. Could be a coach somewhere one day.
I wonder IF the beavers beat USC and go on and win 8 or9 games, does smith suddenly become a hot commodity and USC pursues him?
Nah, Niner wants to be in Corvallis
Plus, no where else is he going to get called “Niner.” Apparently people in the know refer to him as “Fourer.”
I would be more worried about UW. He has made roots in the PNW even though he grew up in the LA area. He’s paid competitively now. It would take a lot to leave a rising Oregon State program he built from scratch to take the helm of a crashing Program somewhere else. I don’t see him as an NFL hop guy either.
The budget is way bigger at UW. He’s a Beaver, though. You’d hope that would mean something.
I’m more worried about losing Lindgren. How long until he gets nabbed for a G5 HC job?
Probably after this season if the offense keeps it up. #1 in the pac. It’s a matter of time of maybe even oc to a bigger program.
Agree on Lindgren. He has been a very good hire.
I think Jimmy Lake will turn it around at UW this season. The first two games were rough but they now have some receivers back.
For some reason, I feel like UW will be the surprise team in conference and shock the Ducks.
Off topic but I was thinking about if the A’s would move to Portland. In their last home series, they avg 6k per game and the last two games vs the mariners were 4k each!!! For a team that contends nearly every year!
If Portland ever had a chance at pro baseball, this is it. Oakland’s new stadium proposal is going nowhere. And the owners are looking at Vegas. But they would need a retractable roof and air conditioning for a stadium there.
Oakland won’t be coming to Portland as long as Portland politicians allow recreational rioting throughout the downtown grid for extended parts of the year.
Until Portland changes course from bowing to and freeing the anarchists, MLB to Portland is a pipe dream.
I heard anarchists liked baseball
Its the lack of structure and rules no doubt. I love it when a batter hits a ball, says “Fuck the system!” and runs to third base. Or when a second baseman throws it to the right outfield and declares “Out!” It makes it so much more interesting. One never knows what to expect.
I thought that was what the A in the Oakland ”A’s” stood for.
Portland is a city ran by children. The city leadership is afraid of making anyone unhappy so they cater to every whim of whoever is yelling the loudest. In their pursuit of matching the wokeness of Seattle and San Francisco they completely shit the bed on each initiative.
They still haven’t figured out that you can’t offer social programs that, on paper, would create a utopia, without massive funding supported by an already over-taxed populace.
It’s a perfect example of a city that tries to buy their way out of a problem with no means to execute. Kind of like the UT football team.
So MLB and the Nationals are unaware of the events of January 6th or the Nationals moving?
Homefry: Portland “A”s (Anarchists) is funny.
ObjCritic: I’d say there is a difference between an established franchise in a certain city and moving a franchise into the abyss…
Nonetheless, MLB in Portland would be a great addition to Oregon sports scene…
I disagree about MLB being an addition to the sports scene. These “public/private” partnerships rarely work out for the public sector. Yes, you get good paying construction jobs for a while for building a staudium. Then its a bunch of low-paying food service and janatorial jobs. Then, near the end of the agreement period, its too common for teams to hold municipalities hostage, and threaten to move somewhere else for a better deal.
Portland doesn’t NEED MLB. But the things that made it likeable (to me) have already been lost. Its not genuine anymore, and the hipsters and traffic are annoying.
Plus, the MLB product has been getting boring.
Agree on the boring product, but I am going to a Twins game Wednesday. Payback for a couple that I take to Gopher football.
HR or strikeout. Was hoping Larnach would be back playing by now.
This panders to the popular narrative:
https://www.oregonlive.com/podcasts/2021/09/can-the-beavs-really-win-at-usc-and-end-the-61-year-drought-beaver-banter-podcast.html
Daschel says that ANYONE that criticizes Riley doesn’t understand what he did. Even stands up for Banker.
Like the popular narrative, they don’t think OSU is capable of what’s possible. This isn’t the same team of Andersen and the last several years of Riley.
I don’t think Daschel understands what people criticize about Riley. I don’t think anyone says Riley never did anything good for OSU, because he did. But how can Daschel dispute that the game passed Riley in his later years? How can he dispute that he put loyalty to his staff ahead of winning and progressing the OSU football program? How can he dispute that his aww shucks attitude created a culture that accepted mediocrity?
Well he did say that riley kind of fell off at the end of his time at OSU.
The offensive playcalling towards the end of his time at OSU was unbearable to watch. All too often the following sequence would occur:
1st Down-Take a sack
2nd Down-Throw an incomplete pass
3rd Down-Throw a RB screen
Punt
Note how James Rodgers blocked on fly sweeps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPEhWfwUPTQ&t=80s
Need similar efforts next saturday if fly sweeps are utilized.
Riley outcoached them that game. He found a hole in the USC defense and schemes to exploit it. It was an excellent game plan. Sometimes he could do that and pull out upsets and sometimes his teams would shit the bed in games they should’ve won. That was very frustrating about the Riley era.
They matched up well for a few years.
My memory of that game is Quizz was so low they couldn’t find him. When they did, he was elusive. I don’t remember Riley outcoaching anyone unless you mean he was smart enough to give it to Quizz.
Well, Riley’s offense was based on play action, so any game where we got the running game going, his system was going to work pretty well. Doubly so against aggressive blitzing defenses that would be more prone to bite on the fake.
As I recall, the game plan was to run right at the heart of the USC defense between the tackles. This was totally unexpected and USC never adjusted. Therefore, OSU completely out coached and outplayed USC that day.
Which he started to do too late. At Penn State that year, he turned to Quizz late, and I think he still put up like 90 yards and drove a big DLineman into the endzone. I don’t necessarily think OSU would have won, but it would have been more competitive and Penn State might have struggled with Quizz as much as USC did.
He was motioning james on fly sweeps but then have him kick out the much bigger DE or OLB backer and run it up behind him allowing the tackle to go up the field and block. The defense couldn’t really adjust til later in the game. Once That was rolling tho it opened up everything else. So yea Riley outcoached the USC staff.
Interesting to look back at all of the USC highly rated talented and many of them did not succeed at the next level. All of these USC QBs and WRs were supposed to be something. I expect their O and D line players fared bettered in the NFL than their skill players?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zqXbh5-rvM
A lot of the USC guys peak early.
Banker is underrated here. The game passed him by eventually and he wasn’t able to adjust, but he was a big reason for the success we had during Riley’s years.
Meh. He couldn’t get DBs to turn around and play the ball. He couldn’t stop mobile QBs. Jim Gilstrap is the architect of those successful Riley teams. OSU had the reputation for finding gold under rocks, but that wasn’t the staff; it was Gilstrap. Once he died, that ability to find gold under rocks quickly dissipated and you were left with Riley & Co taking gambles on awful talent like Pankey, Krebs, Cowden, et al. They just didn’t know how to spot the 2-star talent like Gilstrap.
I’m not saying he was perfect, I’m saying he gets dumped on here for later career performance when there was a time when he was actually a pretty good DC.
He was good for awhile but didn’t adjust to the new spread offenses especially Oregon. But to be fair Oregon was killing everyone at the time until chip left and the rules were adjusted. He had a top 5 run D I think 1 or 2 of the years. He wasn’t without warts but he wasn’t a bad DC before the game passed him by.
He was able to successfully develop a solid front seven over the years. I’ll give him that.
Did Isaiah Hodgins land anywhere?
Practice squad for the Bills
I believe he cleared waivers and then landed on the Bills’ practice squad.
That’s ridiculous nobody else picked him up.
Well he hasn’t made the active roster. That’s a big reason why he didn’t have other options.
He’s in a terrible situation. Late round pick on a roster loaded at WR = limited reps and opportunities to prove yourself and get better. Especially bad given that he’s not a physical freak and needs to be a route technician (which takes time & reps). Plus, he got injured right off the bat last year and wasted most of the year on IR.
Hope he gets his shot some time soon. He has real potential but someone’s got to give him a legit chance for him to realize it. I’ve said this a lot and I said it at the time, but he absolutely should not have gone out early. Another year of development at the college level would have helped with the NFL adjustment, and a higher draft slot would likely have sent him to a better situation.
One interesting thing about recruiting is that ~33% of every class will start at some point, the remainder will either be depth or reserves. Riley’s teams were usually able to find guys like Poyer, Rodgers, Butler, etc. that were all-conference caliber as 2-stars, but the sheer number of low-ranked guys meant they also always had no depth. In a way, it’s like what analysts always say about FCS teams that hang with or beat FBS teams: they have a lot of starters that are at the same level, but the drop-off after that tier is significant. Riley’s teams were the same in that our best players could hang with anyone, but there was a major drop off after a certain level. When the top-tier guys had off nights, we didn’t have enough quality to compensate.
That’s one encouraging thing about this year’s team (and a benefit of the transfer portal): we have seemingly more depth than we did in the past.
You also saw a similar effect with our MBB tournament run this year. We didn’t have the same top-end talent as a few of the teams we beat (like OkSU), but everyone played at a high level during that run to compensate.
Good points. I think coaching always wins out compared to talent. Bama has both so that’s why they rarely lose. They could have a bad day with dropped passes etc but the coaching overcomes that. Same with the NFL, Patriots have not been the most talented team most years for the past 24 ish years but they are always a tough out. Then the opposite. Georgia should be better than they are. Oregon should be way more dominant in the pac 12. Sure they’ve won the conference more in recent years but lose to inferior teams.
Great points
I made a comment during the Riley years that getting to lower tier bowl games, and having just above .500 seasons, was about as good as it was going to get. I was blasted with criticism for acceping mediocre results. I think most people felt we could easily replicate the Fiesta Bowl year. I was not blinded into thinking Riley was a great coach, especially during the latter years. But he was for the most part adequate for Oregon State with its limited resources. Now after years of really bad outcomes, I think the fanbase would be overjoyed with a lower tier bowl invitation and a 50 percent win record. I find it ironic how perspectives can so quickly change. Would love to see us be really good under Smith. Most likely scenario would be like the earlier Riley era. I was always ok with that, and still am, at having average seasons where we are competitive. Oregon State, with its low population and underfunded program, will never be a perennial powerhouse. If Smith can just keep us competitive, I am happy.
I see where you’re coming from and you make some good points. With the changing dynamics in the conferences it will be really interesting to see how it all shakes out in the next few years. Underperformance fosters underfunding and vice-versa. Riley’s eras were marked with peaks and valleys which makes it hard to invigorate the fan and donor bases
I don’t think there’s any reason to think the program couldn’t be like Iowa. It will never be like Alabama, but it’s completely possible for us to go to bowl games every year, occasionally win our division, and occasionally pop into the top 15 in the rankings.
Exactly. And who knows. Nobody thought our baseball program would become a National power, and we did. Anything is possible with the right approach. I definitely prefer where we are now to Riley. More upside.
Baseball and football are not comparable in any way because of the money that is involved. If it truly was just the sport and not the business you could truly change a program but look at the ducks, they tried to buy their way into a baseball power and couldn’t do it. They did buy their way to being a football power.
WSU has done a pretty good job of cylcing up towards the top of the conference, relevancy, and good bowl games. OSU should be able to.
So like where Mike Riley had us.
WSU has done surprisingly well in my opinion.
Erickson (9-3), Price (10-2 twice), Doba (10-3), and Leach (11-2) have all won PAC coach of the year. Leach got national COY in 2018.
Price got to 5 bowl games, including Alamo and 2 Rose Bowls. Doba and Leach (twice) got to Holiday Bowls. Their offenses are typically productive and entertaining.
All significantly higher upsides than Riley in my opinion, who topped out at an Alamo Bowl and choked it away, and needed 13 games to get to 10 wins in his best season.
But they are famous for “Cougin’ it!”
I would say a notch above that.
Riley made bowl games 2/3 of the time, not every year. We were ranked in the top 15 maybe once his whole tenure (2012)? Never won the North, never made it to a Holiday Bowl or Rose Bowl.
Never had 11 wins like WSU. His best was 10 with 144 games that season.
144 games. That’s a lot. Crazy Riley was 3 and 8 then 5 and 6 and the Chargers were like yeah we want to hire that guy.
It happened to Kliff Kingsbury, too!
Good points. And let’s not forget, Riley was a game away from a Rose Bowl appearance multiple years. He goes on to one of those and how different is the tune? I think Smith can get us in that same position but win some of those games instead of showing up unprepared in a civil war game. USC certainly has had down years. You see it now with Washington. I always enjoyed Riley putting together some big upsets. Let’s win 7-9 games each year with an unexpected victory in there. That won’t get you to the CFP but it’ll get you to a NY 6 bowl. That’s a pretty good accomplishment. Right now the Pac-12 is a crap shoot. No ones stands out. Maybe 1 or 2 teams each year but you get them in a winner takes all Pac-12 championship game and who knows what can happen.
That’s the entire point with Riley, though. Nobody said he was awful. We said he was mediocre. And mediocre coaches don’t win games that send them to the Rose Bowl. That’s the entire concept of Riley’s win cap, bowl cap, etc. He was simply capped in the mediocre range and was never going to bowl games like the Rose Bowl. You could put him in that game 100 times and he’d lose them all. Smith has a shot to get to that game and actually win it. Smith isn’t elite because of his in-game blunders, but he’s got a higher ceiling but with more volatility. He could be our version of something like Bill Snyder – not elite, but pretty damn close.
@Angry, yes fair point. I think though the way I took some of that criticism is be careful what you/we wish for. Even big mighty USC has had a hard time staying out of mediocracy. Smith can win those big games because he is creative (sometimes gets him in trouble and he over thinks it).
Can I just say how many times offensive series I watched vainly hoping the Beavers would fumble the ball after the snap and recover it for themselves with enough yardage to be awarded 1st down? >.<
Agree Riley was mediocre and had a win cap but if it wasn’t for Oregon and chip with his new innovative offense that comes around once every 20 years if that they would’ve went to the rose bowl IMO. I actually don’t think there will be another offense like it now because of rule changes unless someone else comes up with some other innovative way to give themselves a huge advantage on the field. It’s a luck ‘o da Beavs thing where our best teams were at the same time Oregon had theirs. I think that’s the most frustrating part of it. To lose to your rival and be denied the rose bowl really hurts.
Manny Diaz at Miami on shaky ground. No chance Crystobal goes home, right? Some of the programs (Nebraska, FSU) just can’t accept that they aren’t the cream of the crop anymore.
Football scoop article I read basically said that Miami can’t afford Cristobal, even though he would be their first choice.
Isn’t there a gym giving money to every FSU athlete for an NIL deal? Seems like they could get together some money.
That gym is at Miami.
I’m sure they could put together their coke revenue around Miami to pay Cristobal, if they really wanted to
Yeah my bad, meant to say Miami. Sometimes I get the Florida schools mixed up, lol.
https://apnews.com/article/sports-college-football-football-business-miami-6770541d9a25f60a07c812dedeca3062#:~:text=American%20Top%20Team%2C%20a%20chain,if%20every%20player%20signed%20on.
They could sell their Turnover Chain. There has to be several million in gold in that thing!
NFT turnover chain
It’s also very lightly used – practically brand new!
Beav’s get crushed by the Quacks in the VB Civil War. (-
I guess the coach’s abusive methods don’t work after all. He’ll be fired at the end of the year.
Wilner picks the Beavs to win in an upset. Daschel, who picked USC earlier this week, all of a sudden has a change of heart.
Curious why Junior Walling hasn’t played this year. Kid seemed physically ready to me.
Ya I was curious about that too. Also John Miller but Macarenas and Fisher both looked good too. There is also Earhart.
Some of the people that have played are somewhat interesting especially on the offensive line. There were a lot of more highly rated guys there than Miller and Morano. I wonder if those guys just haven’t panned out or what. It’s good to know that Fuaga and Brewer look good at the Tackle positions.
I’ve heard good notes on Franke from the practice reports too
Franke has gotten some snaps already
Ya he’s an OLB. He put on like 30lbs I think. One of the big gainers.
We’re just loaded at MLB. Unfortunately, that probably means 1 or more will transfer soon. Such is life.
What highly rated OL are you thinking of? White is the only one that comes to mind for me and he’s still a true freshman.
Wonder if there’s any chance Speights goes into the draft if he has a good year.
He and Roberts lead the Pac in tackles last year. Could happen again
It’s very possible. Still has a lot of room to improve in coverage though.
There’s been a trend lately with the Beavs of guys leaving early for the NFL that shouldn’t. I’m curious if that’s a general NCAA trend or just an issue with our program? The conventional rule of thumb says don’t leave early unless you’re broadly considered a 1st round pick, and I think that’s still almost always the best advise. The talent gap between college and the NFL is so broad- an extra season of reps and coaching to improve your craft before going out is so valuable.
If you’re a high pick, you get a lot more money and guaranteed money up front. But even more importantly, the program is much more invested in your success. You’ll get reps, you’ll get more coaching attention, and you’ll get every chance to succeed. If you’re a low pick or UDFA, you don’t get those things. You have to succeed despite them and it’s a tough road.
I see this trend as almost universally a lose-lose for both the players and for the program. Any thoughts on this? Are agents just becoming more unscrupulous? Anyone know if going out early (even if not expected to go high) is a trend with other programs too?
I’ve wondered the same thing. It would be interesting to hear what some of those players think after the fact. Like Hodgins leaving early and has spent the whole time on the practice squad. I wonder if he regrets his decision. I have to think this happens pretty evenly across all football programs. No matter the program, these kids have one thing on their minds: get a contract before I get injured. But I also think the NIL stuff may convince some kids to stay at programs longer, since they now have earning potential while improving their draft stock.
loaded at LB
What about Rawls, how has he done so far?
According to PFF, he’s been our best DL
Not necessarily highly rated but guys that have been in the system longer or have better size. Miller was a walk on and only about 265. Buckles, Darling, Farenczis, Vanderlann, Bloomfield. That’s the one position that’s a big question mark as to where everyone stands. I trust coach M just about more than anyone on the staff tho.
Dart just had meniscus surgery, so Slovis allegedly will start.
https://twitter.com/insidetroy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Boy, and with Slovis dinged up, he will be a sitting duck back there. Someone tell Cory Stover to keep he head up and tackle low. Dont want him getting kicked out again for being agressive
If they get a 2nd 1 isn’t the suspension more severe?
Looks like Beavs will face Slovis.
Jaxson Dart suffered a meniscus injury against Washington State and underwent surgery earlier in the week
That’s the word from “sources” and passed along by Wilner and Shotgun Spratling.
Didn’t know that Shotgun is not only with D1 Baseball but something called The Peristyle.
Minor detail. More importantly, what will the Beavers wear?!?
Kidding, but curious if they have a white helmet w/Benny in it?
Luck o da beavs vibes are weird af this year.
Yeah, everyone’s thrilled that we’re facing a projected future NFL QB instead of a freshman in his first start
Yeah not sure why we are that excited about this? Sure Dart probably could scramble but WSU had him bottled up till they self imploded on offense.
Look how USC was doing with Sloivs… not much…
WSU isn’t Stanford.
USC’s interior OL is top-rated, but the OT’s are a weakness. This is the ‘prove it’ game for our pass rush because there will be a lot of dropbacks, Slovis isn’t a threat to run, and the edges look vulnerable. We need more production from Stover/Sharp/Saluni.
Are they just slow when they move their feet? If so Tibs might want to send his edge rushers up field and force Slovis to step up in the pocket. I don’t think we have an edge that can simply bull rush their way to the QB.
Something to watch is whether or not Sio gets a push up front. That could be the difference in this game.
Why Sio? He’s only our 5th most used DL.
He’s by far the strongest DT on the team and the only one who consistently gets a push. Schad is good but he can’t bull rush
He can if he drinks Red Bull.
Smith pretty evasive when asked if Gebbia is getting healthier.
Gamesmanship. I was at the last game. Gebbia was suited up and warming up with the qbs.
Smith on Thursday, per the GT, sounds more evasive in regard to Gumbs than Gebbia:
Gebbia, who has dealt with a hamstring injury since midway through training camp in August, is no closer to returning, Smith said Thursday.
Smith had no update on outside linebacker Addison Gumbs, who has yet to play this season.
Also mentioned that Jack Colletto … will play Saturday.
I think Colletto would play the day after having his arm amputated.
And rush for a TD…
And return kicks…albeit about 5 yards…
Speaking of UsC Qbs, Jake Garcia who decommitted from usc, will possibly start for Miami this weekend. Interesting senior season he had moving from California to Georgia to try and play his senior year. New Netflix show following the high school he transferred to documents it well once you get past the high school drama they include. Garcia seems like a good kid. Hope he plays well if given the chance.
Game thread scheduled to go up tomorrow night.
You gonna be on the bike till then?
We have relatives visiting so taking off early today, and yes, going to get a ride in before they arrive tomorrow. Our garden is still going well despite hitting 38 degrees a few nights ago. We’ll get to feed them fresh food that we grew, which is pretty cool.
I won’t be around much at all next week, so feel free to put up a thread. Hoping I can catch most of this game tomorrow night…
New baseball commit.
https://www.prepbaseballreport.com/profiles/WI/Evan-Gustafson-6031789524
Here goes. 31-28 beavvers in a not so big of a shocker. 45 yard FG for the game winner as the clock expires…
Why isn’t that a shock?
Because SC isn’t the typical SC, new HC, injuries at QB, OSU dramatically improved at QB and hasn’t beaten SC down there since 1960…so it’s a law of averages thing.
I don’t think the Beavs kick a game winner, but hold onto a lead.
Luck O’ da beavs prediction: Slovis will go down in the first quarter and SC has no other option but to play a make-a-wish kid with no arms at QB. Make-a -wish kid breaks NCAA single game record for pass yardage and touchdowns thrown.
Real prediction. We lose by 4 in a nail bitter.
Yep Beavs fans are too high to have a follow thru. Never happens for us. I think it’s a close game but SC wins by 10. Something along the lines of 42-32. Hope I’m wrong
PHIL STEELE REPORT:
OSU is looking for its first win vs USC in the Coliseum S/’60 (lost 23 straight). The Beavers have dropped the last 4 in the series (1-3 ATS) and their last win vs the Trojans was a 36-7 (+3) victory in ‘10. Last time here (‘17), USC posted a 38-10 win (-33). USC opened the season strong with a 30-7 rout of a solid San Jose St team. They were a 3 TD favorite but trailed Stanford 42-14 before getting two late TD’s and then fired coach Helton. Last week USC with an interim HC trailed 14-0 and Kedon Slovis was injured on 2nd play of game. Jaxson Dart hit 30-46-391 with 4 TD’s. Wash St led 14-7 at half but fumbled opening KO and did not get a FD in 3Q and USC scored 4 TD’s including a 5 yd FR TD. Wash St QB deLaura was injured and replaced by Victor Gabalis most of 3Q. Slovis is taking reps with the first team. Oregon St gave up a 50 yd TD pass to a wide open TE with 2:09 left and lost at Purdue 30-21 (+7) but then were -11 at home vs Hawaii and OSU got a TD with 2:00 left for the cover. Last week they were -24 at home vs Idaho and Oregon St scored TD’s on 1st 4 poss and Idaho was SOD at 31, 42, 33 and int as OSU had 10-9 FD edge (247-122 yd) and led 28-0 H. OSU got TD’s on first 2 2H poss and won 42-0 with 438-192 yd edge. OSU opened with Sam Noyer at QB but Chance Nolan took control of that job and has thrown for 70% with a 5-0 ratio. Oregon St is 9-1 ATS as an AD while USC is 8-13 ATS as a HF the last 5 years. USC is playing to an AGG of just 106.5 and Oregon St is at 103.5 so I like the dog getting double digits here.
USC 34 OREGON STATE 27
POSITION BY POSITION EDGES
WHEN OREGON STATE HAS THE BALL
Oregon St QB/WR’s vs USC DB’s: USC +1.48
Oregon St RB’s vs USC LB’s: USC +1.54
Oregon St OL vs USC DL: USC +0.14
WHEN USC HAS THE BALL
USC QB/WR’s vs Oregon St DB’s: USC +0.06
USC RB’s vs Oregon St LB’s: ORST +1.61
USC OL vs Oregon St DL: USC +0.71
MISCELLANEOUS
Special Teams: USC +0.32
Kicking: USC +0.90
Coaching Staff: ORST +1.40
POSITIONAL EDGE AWARDED TO: USC +2.14
PROJECTED BOX SCORE (ORST-USC)
Projected Rushing: 140-111
Projected Passing: 189-326
Projected Yardage Total: 329-437
Projected Final Score: 27-34
Experience Rankings: 43-89
Team Schedule Strength: 79-24
Las Vegas Line: USC by 11.5
Las Vegas Total: 62.5 Points
+/- Ratings: USC by 10.8
Game Grade: USC by 7.5
Computer Yards: USC 437-325
Computer Points: USC 34-27
Spreadsheet Prediction: USC by 16.5
Positional comparisons are interesting. PFF gives our passing game the advantage, as their secondary and LB coverage has been below average. The strength of their defense at every position is stopping the run. If you flip that one in the Steele formula, that gives us the edge.
Beavs should be getting an official visit from a JUCO DB, Major Williams, during the bye week in mid October.
He would have 3 years to play 3 and graduates in December, so could be on campus for Spring ball.
https://www.hudl.com/profile/7599249/Major-Williams
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/oregon-state-beavers-vs-usc-trojans-prediction-picks-2021
Somewhat agree with the analysis that it will be key to see if we can run the ball against a strong front seven. We couldn’t do it against Purdue. While I trust Coach M., I am in the mode of I will believe it when I see it. I am hopeful for a victory, but the OL will really need to come to play Saturday night to take control of the clock.
Ya but they loaded the box because we couldn’t pass until Nolan came in. If they can’t load the box we should be able to run it somewhat.
The Purdue game was strange. We didn’t attack the perimeter like we should have, so Purdue just loaded the box, and the Beavs kept running into it.
Dont forget your picks. First game is 7pm tonight
Longtime reader, minimal commenter. I see that JJ Young passed. I remember watching him when I was in middle school. He actually spoke at my middle school along with Brent Berry. Very nice even as college athlete. I remember Brent being funny as hell.
That’s sad news, JJ was crazy good and didn’t get enough carries in the wishbone. Averaged 7 freakin’ yards a carry in ’93. Almost had a 1000 yards rushing on just 136 carries. He was on a couple of Pettibone teams that came close to breaking through with 4 win seasons.
Oh I am confident with Chance and BJ. 31-27 Oregon State. Also how can I donate to the blog?
how can I donate to the blog?
Angry may be out on his bike, or just too shy to give a quick answer, so I’ll step in.
At the top of the page you’ll see a black bar with “contact/donate” on the left side, click there and follow the directions.
Thanks for your thoughts, and money, heh heh.
Angry hates donations.
A tweet around 7pm Friday from SC’s top receiver may be an indication of where his head is at on the eve of this weeks game. Now if London drops a couple I may be convinced that his focus was elsewhere.
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Watching Fresno and UNLV and a question popped into my head: is the PAC-12 really a P5 conference from a competitive standpoint? Or are they a P5 conference because they have access to the largest media markets?
The Mountain West has a ways to go before they are considered on par with the PAC-12. UNLV and New Mexico are straight awful. There’s really no equivalent in our conference.
But consider the American conference. Almost every team in that conference can be competitive with any team in the PAC-12 (minus Oregon). How did we get to this point?
The Pac 12 has really outdone itself with shitty coaching hires in the last 10i-12 years. USC probably being the worst offender.
Should probably look at it in a smaller microscope. 5 year comparisons would be better. This year has been a pretty unprecedented OOC for the P12. If we get pasted by mid-majors next year I would be putting up serious alarm eyebrows.
“The Mountain West has a ways to go before they are considered on par with the PAC-12”
Considering…..
Nevada won at Cal
Utah St won at WSU
SDSU won at Utah and Arizona
Fresno won at UCLA
Head to head vs the Pac-12 through 3 weeks the Mountain West has gone 5-5.
They’d argue they’re on par. And I would agree with them. The pac-12 is pretty much a joke and the laughingstock of the P5 conferences. From officiating on down.
Agree, i’ve watched several MW games this year. Their athletes are of similar size and athleticism as Pac athletes, aside from maybe the linemen. Often times, they are former Pac12 players who transferred out and are thriving on their new MW teams.
It’s crazy to me that Fresno State could play both Oregon amd UCLA down to the wire, and then also barely squeak by UNLV who had their backup QB in for half the game. UNLV has been losing games by 30 plus pts this season, but was neck and neck with Fresno.
There’s no transitive property in football right?
33-27 beavs.
TEs account for 120 yards and 2 touchdowns
No question in my mind, the TE’s are gonna be key tonight both from a blocking and receiving standpoint.
If they show up prominently, is it primarily a factor of Lindgren not showing his cards preseason? Both have had enough time in the system to be effective at this point.
@ Purdue – TQ w/2 catches for 42 yards, Musgrave with 2 for 7.
v Hawai’i – TQ 2 for 30 Musgrave 0;
v Idaho – TQ 3 for 14, w/1 TD Musgrave 3 for 40
12 catches, 133 yards, 1 TD total.
USC linebackers pass coverage is pretty much their only visible weakness on defense so we really need to attack that with rb and TE passes.
Given the quality of TE’s that are avaiable the lack of utilization beyond blocking needs to end. This game is a good a time as any.
Lindgren has said multiple that the coverage dictates who gets the ball. That’s just a good job by chance reading the defense and getting it to the right guy. Idk why everyone thinks it’s that they’re not trying to get them involved. It’s good that other teams are respecting them as it opens up the rest of the field whether or not they’re actually catching it. They’ve been pretty effective when they’re asked to block. Musgrave still has quite a bit of work to do there. Showed off his athleticism after the catch against idaho tho.
2006 game is on pac12 oregon. 7-0 Beavs right now. Can we make a statement again today?!
Hope they win again…
It’s 13 years to the day since OSU beat #1 USC…(Sept 25, 2008).. im going with 27-21 OSU
Grateful I got to be there in both 06 and 08. Feels like beating them down in LA for the first time in half a century would be just as impactful for the program and JS trajectory even though they’re no longer Reggie Bush god-tier.
Just happened to see this…Chance is currently the #1 QB in the country
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr
Really shows how flawed qbr is. Chance is great but Haener is 32 and he’s been the most impressive qb I have watched this year.
Haener has been good, but he’s also turned it over several times. 2 INTs plus at least 1 fumble lost that I’ve seen(maybe more?) Chance hasn’t, and his accuracy has been impressive so far.
We’ll see if he can keep it up against teams with more athletic defenses.
Jarrett Guarantano starting for the Cougs today, and throws it right to a Ute defender. Shocker.
Can’t imagine how the Beavs lose if he starts.
Really not an impressive game
Guarantano just cost Wazzu the game
That was a fumble. Nice home cookin in Utah.
If the beavers win the coin toss, do the defer and get the ball in the second half? That’s usually my preference….
Utah has fumbled 7 times, lost 3. So far
Looking like Beavs SHOULD defeat WSU for the first time in several years….
And Utah, Washington, hopefully Stanford. Down year for the pac and the Beavs best team in years. They need to take advantage and take the leap forward and it all starts today. The stars are aligning!
Luck o da Beavs Theory holds that whenever it appears our stars are aligning, it’s actually just two Chinese military satellites.
Looking like there might be quite a fee upsets today.
The Beavs need to run the ball and win the turnover battle. If they do that I think they can win. Make USC drive the whole field without giving up big momentum changing plays and hopefully they will turn it over or get a penalty to end the drive. If the offense can keep producing with Nolan they should only need a few stops.
38-34 Beavs! The dark horse to win the pac12 talk starts after this one!
UCLA shutting down Stanford right now. They might finish the half with less than 50 yards at this rate.
Big win for the sport of college football with Clemson taking loss #2 today. We’ll finally get some variety in the CFP.
Hopefully Oklahoma drops 2 as well
Would have liked to see Auburn lose. That game was very close
So far the Beavs have proved to be a low Big 10 team an average Mountain West team and an above average Big Sky team.
I think SC’s overall better athletes and the “sugar high” of an interim coach tips the advantage to them.
Sadly SC 35 Beavs 28
Williams himself said the novelty wore after game 1 and it would be a challenge for them to adjust to going back to the weekly grind.
If you watched the sc WSU game momentum was one of the biggest factors. If OSU can get on them early and limit big plays I think their energy and heart will quickly fade. If they could get a real gut punch early like a turnover I think that could really shift the game. USC’s coach is very energetic and the team was feeding off of his energy. They need to take the wind out of their sails and not give them any hope. Long methodical drives would be huge to destroying their confidence.
Headed up to the Coliseum with a whole bunch of big win energy! On D Let’s stop the run and make Sc one dimensional. For the love of the lord do not leave Avery and Speights in coverage on 3rd and long. Play some dime! On O establish the run to set up the pass and let’s get this W!
OSU has been getting decent pressure the last couple of games but has faced mobile QBs. While Slovis is mobile enough to evade and sometimes run (kind of like Gebbia) he’s not a threat. So hopefully the pressure can get home more often in this game.
That’s what the fuck I’m talking about!!