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  1. Not bad.

    Quite honestly, I haven’t questioned the guys they pick up at the Tight End position. They are often solid- but for some reason we haven’t used them as much offensively as we did in the past. I think if we recruited at LEAST 3 star offensive linemen every year (2-3 of them a class) I think a lot of these guys we get would be MONSTERS.

    Happy with this verbal

  2. This is a really good pick up! This guy is TALL, has really good vision, knows how to settle down and sit in the ‘zone’, patience, runs hard and up field, gets tackled up field and makes sure to fall forward. I really like this guy and can see him as a Joe Newton esque, but with speed. I like this! He has hands and isn’t afraid to go UP for the ball in a jump ball type situation! :)

    Blocking is good, needs more work in technique in getting his butt lower, but he appears to have really good arm strength and that’s what he relies on for the most part. He has quick feet as well and knows how to put his butt in the hole and block away from where the ball carrier will be. Like I said though, his technique will be a work in progress. He will be useful once he masters the getting low, using leverage, and the quick feet will help with quicker DE’s and corner blitzes. Also, this guy pulls on some plays…that’s not a bad idea for coach Riley to implement when this guy comes to OSU because A) He’s been doing that B) it’s a different look and makes the TE a FB in this situation C) He’s quicker down the line than a Guard or Tackle would be. So I don’t see any problem with utilizing the “trap” pull with a TE. In fact, I’ve never seen that done, but it appears to be effective because they get at least 2-5 yards sometimes more by doing this on each carry that I’ve seen the TE block…grant it it’s highlights, but still…something to consider.

    At the 8:45 mark he stands a running back up completely and tackles him backwards. He hits hard as well. He’s really too tall for a LB in D-1 ball, but he is quick. Perhaps I would see if he could play DE or a hybrid of a DE/LB? It’s a possibility for him to be in for blitzing purposes in passing downs because he’s so tall and quick. I’d like to see his 40 time. anyone know?

  3. last post then i’m off to bed! Looks like the beavs are hitting the trail for a Tackle or 2 while their hopes are to land a Center and a Guard according to scout.com because they aren’t recruiting as many of those as OT. HMMMMMM

  4. I lied…Take a look at scout.com at each position…especially RB, QB, WR, DT, DE, OLB, MLB, S, CB…

    Basically, it looks like Riley and Company are finally picking/choosing players higher than NR and higher than 2 stars for players! There is not a single 2 star “athlete” on the recruitment list for OSU anywhere…unless scout.com did away with 2 stars and made them NR instead. hmmmm….Things changing at OSU?!

  5. I understand he is only 18 years old, but 200# is too small for a Hback/Tightend. I hope this kid loves the gym!

  6. my cousin who is a sophomore at Tigard high school is a twig at I believe 6’3″ 200# and can squat 300# or a little more now probably. He is strong, but scronny. so just because he doesn’t look muscular, doesn’t mean he can’t lift in the weight room. Some people can lift a lot of weights, but don’t look like they can cause they don’t look like they add muscle…it’s cause they add lean muscle instead of bulky muscle like Quizz did the last 2 years. he added bulk instead of lean muscle. there’s a difference in the physique of your body.

    • I don’t doubt that he is strong but I still think he needs to bulk up. At 6’6 210 he could put on more weight.

    • There’s a lot of buzz about Quizz going to Atlanta. I think he was the 18th RB taken, but all the gurus love him more now than before the draft.

      Couple that buzz with the Pac 12 TV deal news. Now look around the league for one of the most accessible, least offensive and best loved people in football. All the things that sometimes annoy us about Mike Riley are major pluses in his dealings with the national media. They all have excellent relationships with Riley from his time in San Diego. Hell, Riley still has a great relationship with the people who fired him in San Diego.

      And now ESPN is an official partner with the Pac 12 they have open access to all the schools. Yes, they always had the capability to pick up a phone and call anyone. But now they have a vested interest in promoting every program to elevate the league itself.

      And Riley is also on the board of trustees for the AFCA. So all that Mayberry stuff may just have us dying at times. But the national media eats it up. The regional and local papers did not do so because they had different scopes. They are to be contentious rivals, and their reader/viewerships want to scoff at all opponents. The national media is a third party.

      Notably, check the interviews with Harbaugh and the Chipster last year. The national media was forced to talk to both because they were winning. Harbaugh spoke his mind, but he was accessible and gruff in a jovial manner. The Chipster seemed to have gone to Barry Bonds’ Finishing School. The media will do the same to Nikegon that they did to Bonds given the chance.

      • I don’t think anyone has an issue with Riley the man. The problem is he’s slow to enact change, passive, can’t win any big games against an opponent not named USC, can’t get us to at least a Holiday Bowl, etc. None of these articles focus on those weaknesses. For die hard fans, it’s the same ol’ fluff–“Riley is nice, Riley is great, Riley is underrated”…yeah, but he also has a lot of flaws. The reporting is not fair or unbiased. These people writing either know Riley and like him, or they stand to make money off a feel good story.

        • The point is that making these attributes out to be more positive than negative will help Riley the coach.

          One of our biggest problems is that we don’t get the recruits we want. I’m not saying we want to be the #1 ranked recruiting class every year. I’m saying I’m fine with #30 so long as it includes the players we actually want instead of plan B’s and C’s. I think that has become more of a reality in the last couple years, but we still have misses due to the negativity generated around the whole Mayberry concept.

          Most recruits say they are looking for precisely what OSU offers, yet they choose schools which offer something entirely different. We know that some of that is just kids being kids and saying what they think others want to hear. But some of that is the perception of Riley as being so gosh darned nice that he couldn’t possibly “coach me up” in a tough man’s sport. That perception has been seeded, fostered and scoffed by our rivals to the point of ridicule. But how do you respond to someone calling you a good person? No, I’m not?

          The national media opens this false ridicule up for ridicule of itself. They absolutely love Riley the man. And their perception of being able to produce talent from nothing is based in numbers, not dismissive ridicule. We expanded our recruiting base due to this whole condition. We do better in Big Xii and SEC country than we do at home because they think being good people is a positive attribute. I don’t think anyone will be watching Michael Doctor on the field next year and thinking, “Wow! That nice young man just dismembered that player. That’s so gosh darned neat!”

          They will see him for what he is on the field, and then they will hear about who he is off the field. They will then hear how the whole program was established and is set to successfully recreate this dynamic.

          Players we want will finally begin to respect the program for what it is. Depth will accrue at all positions. And Riley won’t be able to avoid playing someone good despite stubborn loyalties.

          • I’m getting back on that. I’m just trying to figure out if I should back-date the gaps.

            My father (a UCLA alum who was an athlete there in the late 60’s) was visiting for the UCLA game, and I told him how the game would proceed from beginning to end and how the personnel would affect this outcome.

            I was so dead on that it was at once embarrassing and depressing. It took me until the non-televised game at ASU with all the suspensions to get over that game. I just wanted to see Coach Rob acknowledge the seniors’ general disrespect for hoops. That it took disrespect for the program to facilitate this recognition doesn’t really bother me. I really enjoyed the win against Stanford. I think our youth beating what I think was by far the strongest frosh class in the Pac last year was vindication enough.

            If you’re looking for updates, you probably know we already have Barton signed.
            Eli Carter to Rutgers, Indiana Faithfull to Wofford, Chol to Arizona, Algie Key is going prep and reclassified to 2012 (still has us listed, but his list is getting bigger), Kelvin Amayo will likely go to Rice (Lovett sucks), and Johnny Dee picked up an offer from Portland State last week.

            I’m thinking Coach Rob has narrowed his recruiting quite a bit with only one open ship over the next two years. But look for Cunningham to jump to the NBA if given a chance, and I’ve heard the same about Roberto. Charles Harris at Lake Forest (Chicago area) and Amadi Udenyi of DeLaSalle (Cali) are the players I hear the most about right now. And both are REALLY good. I’d love for JT Flowers to get some looks from us as well.

  7. that’s a really good point jack. I had forgotten that ESPN is now invested into all pac-12 schools and will help provide all schools with marketing the league on ESPN. With this new tv deal, look to see the east coast bias simply dissolve into an even playing field. If the beavs have a successful season this year, I don’t see why we won’t get the better tv time slots most of the time. Also, with this new deal, I wouldn’t be surprised if ESPN and FOX takes more Pac-12 Games this year as a kind of “preview” for the upcoming season also, if the nfl lockout occurs, I think players should be commentators for their alma maters when their alma mater is on tv.

  8. DeCarolis mentions Reser expansion on Cliff’s GT blog but to me it was more of a realization of criticism pointed his way and I still don’t think it is anywhere near as much of a priority for him as it needs to be.

    I like Bill Moos thinking. They are going straight at facilities first according to this article. They believe that will get them recruits, and then the wins and then sustained success. Moos explains here:

    http://www.cougcenter.com/2011/5/5/2154674/pac-12-tv-contract-revenue-wsu-football-basketball-bill-moos-martin-stadium-renovation

    BDC by his own words is trying to give a stimulus to the teams such as a little more money for coaches and some new equipment. That is not how you get recruits though. We are well behind in the strategy to garner the top receruits and BDC’s “game plan” will not have us closing the gap.

    OSUprof has the study and the numbers of why expanding Reser should be our top priority. We have to do the things BDC has for his “long-term goals” as some of our earlier moves and not latest. The track and basketball facility will get going but football is the economic engine and visual clue as to the overall strength of your atheltic department. With Cal and UW having the correct gameplans with their major football stadium upgrades and now WSU knowing their best route to success, why does BDC still not get it? Instead of paying coaches more than a very small amount more, they need to get the 6-7 million Reser current debt paid off ASAP so we can look forward and more realistically be ready to move forward with Reser expansion and a cohesive, beautiful stadium that we will need to recruit in the upper half of the conference.

    I hope we do not extend this guy come 6-3–2011 that just doesn’t know how to get out of mediocre mode.

    Brand, facilities and marketing are the obvious priorities so we can be in higher demand by top recruits, consistently recruit the best athletes to OSU and further enhance our brand/programs.

    We do not want to market this Mayberry fluff though. To be seen as a national reputation school you have to have a powerful brand that is known to win big games. Riley’s Mayberry garbage is just an excuse of not winning enough big games. If he insists on being that guy, whatever, but you build the brand and then market that powerful winning brand and then get more big wins to keep it going and go further into the elite category. This Mayberry stuff puts a lid on the success and makes it hard to be ever seen as truly elite.

    • We don’t market anything Mayberry. We market good people doing good things the right way, and contentious rivals re-brand that as Mayberry with no third party comment. “Riley’s Mayberry garbage” is what others want everyone to perceive at OSU, and they succeed largely because our voice is drowned in our own region.

      It’s not drowned on the national level. It was just never highlighted and drummed into the collective conscience of the national audience by an interested national media partner.

      You go ask the parents of a recruit in Minnesota/Oklahoma/Georgia what they think of Mike Riley’s image as one of the best people in D-1 football as well as one who sculpts NFL players from clay. You will most likely get a, “Who?” from anyone you ask.

      That will change soon.

      Ask someone from California/Washington/Arizona… even Oregon, and you’ll probably get the Mayberry answer… sometimes with a touch of sarcasm. But being good people is not why anyone fails at anything.

      The real issue is that he lacks the personnel to be 100% successful. The need to be creative with personnel decisions increases the likelihood that some of those decisions will be wrong. And I don’t care how good a man anyone is. That man will want his creativity to succeed, sometimes at the cost of his own overall success. Eliminate the need to be creative, and stubborn loyalties to that creativity are eliminated as well.

      • Riley’s biggest problem is he’s too slow to adapt and recognize talent–each year he has a handful of backups who are better than the starters. Everyone but Riley sees it. He favors experience and what he knows over the unknown. That’s a Riley issue that has nothing to do with personnel or perception. If you’re saying everyone has a desire to be creative, and Riley playing Pankey or #28 is an expression of his creativity, then he’s not fulfilling his obligation to the other players, fans, the university, donors, etc. His job is to put the best players on the field. To get it wrong is one thing, but to take half a season to admit it and adapt is another. The latter is his biggest problem, but not his only problem (the “hope” rather than “expect” mentality is a huge flaw as well…lack of confidence is never good).

        • What I’m saying is that he won’t make those mistakes if there are no mistakes to be made. He has obvious flaws, but they are all greatly pronounced by the thin talent. Recruiting has become better in the last couple years. But that’s because we stepped outside our region and sold the same thing to people who might listen rather than come with their own preconceptions.

          Maybe this was late as well, but it works hand in hand with national, third party exposure.

      • I agree that others push that Mayberry stuff on us because they know it doesn’t help us get any bigtime recruits, but we do go along with it too much by saying this “family values” stuff too much. You may want to have family values but you don’t market or try to sell that to sound sexy and cutting edge to top recruits. Still Tinker seems to think that “values” is the main thing we want to get across with a brand and he seems a little surprised as he knows that isn’t how to sell a national brand. He isn’t surprised the poor leadership of BDC would say that necessarily but he knows what is clearly most important is having a POWERFUL brand that is instantly seen as such when viewed. For that to happen you have to have a great football stadium, not a half-finished one.
        Pay off all debts ASAP and then get the basketball facility and track done while also finalizing plans for Reser expansion. Get some media out there with the plans for a 55K Reser to get the fans buzzing and maximize the energy of the project with the new Pac-12 megaTV deal and heavy exposure with Fox and especially ESPN. Then get it built and start enjoying your new POWERFUL brand, beautiful stadium and strong recruits. That is the order.

        • “Pay off all debts ASAP and then get the basketball facility and track done while also finalizing plans for Reser expansion. Get some media out there with the plans for a 55K Reser to get the fans buzzing and maximize the energy of the project with the new Pac-12 megaTV deal and heavy exposure with Fox and especially ESPN. Then get it built and start enjoying your new POWERFUL brand, beautiful stadium and strong recruits. That is the order.”

          I agree. And so does Bob DeCarolis. That’s precisely the plan he has outlined, so I’m not sure why you’re criticizing him so much. “Poor leadership” and “…just doesn’t know how to get out of mediocre mode.” That seems over the top to me, considering those goals you outlined are the same as BDC’s goals.

          http://www.democratherald.com/sports/beavers-sports/article_aad363ac-ff24-52f5-af0e-feaf7a05d5a7.html

      • Ok… worse than naive, it’s old news. This project design was begun in January. They would have built this with a TV deal or without one.

        If you’ve ever been to Martin, you would know why it’s needed regardless of comparative facilities.

        • We had designs for completing Reser ahead of them, but it looks like Bill Moos will be getting started first. I have been to Martin stadium. It is needed, but so is a completed and attractive Reser to be in the upper half of recruiting and to perform football’s role as the economic engine for OSU athletics. We need a POWERFUL brand to go along with our new Pac-12 TV money and a finished, attractive stadium is an important part of the brand image we need to showcase to the nation.

          • And they proceeded with underwriting efforts and gained the board of regents’ permission to pursue design/build processes in January. They put the money in place and got the go-ahead. This TV deal will just help with the back end.

            I would assume OSU is past the design phase for all renovations of Reser. It would have been cost effective to design the whole concept before proceeding on the build in phases. So to know we have designs in place means we are only seeking underwriting for further build phases. I believe Bobby D met with Pat Reser late last year (and maybe some of the children?) in order to further that revenue stream. But to push a family barely a year removed from the loss of its patron is somewhat morose and indecent. Maybe the league’s new valuation spurs them to move more quickly toward a lasting legacy for Al, but the university should bear the responsibility of putting these funds in place. And it’s not like the Reser family only patronizes OSU. Al’s legacy of charity and compassion extends to Portland and Oregon at large.

            Dick Fosbury has spent the better part of recent years in fundraising efforts for the new track facility–one whose design has been heralded as the finest in the sport going back many decades. His and others’ efforts have accumulated funds enough to move forward on that project next month (June 14). To even hint at putting it on the back-burner is a slap in the face, not to mention a serious set-back to our AD’s move toward legitimacy as a serious contender from here forward.

            Coach Rob has managed to garner funds enough to move forward on the hoops facility as well. To simply lavish football with all the spoils is to tell everyone that the processes required for capital improvements were always just a joke.

            Football will have its day soon enough. Its capital improvements have aided the efforts noted above. But it has to wait for its next turn while serious deficiencies in other facilities are addressed. Doing otherwise sends a message to all observers, let alone the primaries, that OSU is not serious about anything but the bottom line. What future prospective hoops/track/whatever coach would want to come to a school where that message was so obvious?

          • It is smart to start pushing for Reser expansion because we all know that Oregon State Athletics is slow to implement change or new, aggressive or innovative ideas. The best chance we have for things to get moving by 2014 is to drive home the point now. With all the increased exposure we are going to have it would be nice if we could soon showcase an attractive, completed Reser. Otherwise Cal and UW are going to be moving up in recruiting and we are going to be seen as laggards.

            If we can build it and get it done then we can reap the benefits and enjoy it in full splendor for a long time. It won’t look funny anymore and Oregon State can have one of the loudest stadiums and we will show well on TV and then get more elite recruits. Riley would then have a better chance of getting us to a BCS Bowl or Rose Bowl and we could have plenty of excitement and buzz in our program too. Coupled with a POWERFUL brand, we could become a strong nationally prominent program, because our new Pac-12 TV contract puts us in a position to do so if we make the right moves. :)

          • It’s a lost cause with this one. he’s been reading the P-O site a bit too much and he’s drinking the orange kool-aid by the gallons. He can’t spout his ideas where people will agree with him there because they’re so elite on their site, so he comes here in hopes someone will read it and hopes they will agree with him! He should change his name to “RecordForABrokenRecord”

          • The Grass isn’t greener on the other side my fellow beaver! We should focus on facilities that will have TV exposure besides football. Such as Gill, Goss(could add some kind of amenities right? and the new track field. So we need to help the other sports so then it doesn’t look like we are like the SEC in FOOTBALL FOOTBALL FOOTBALL! We do have other sports that need to have updated facilities. Also, Reser should have a visitors locker room attached to the stadium. I’m sure that will be factored into the North endzone.

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