10.Jun.2011 Beavs Land 4-star Recruit

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Wide receiver Malik Gilmore from Lakewood, California. 6'3, 195. The most interesting bit is that Brennan sealed this deal. For those who say it's hard to recruit to Corvallis…well, that theory just took a hit, and the (better) theory that we just haven't had the right recruiters will probably prove to be true as we move forward.

He has double digit offers, including Notre Dame and Michigan. A handful of Pac-10 teams as well, with USC coming on of late. Gilmore lists speed as his one weakness, but from this film I saw that's not really the case. His official 40 time isn't listed, but he looks about 4.45.

Hopefully this will get the ball rolling for a nice class. It sure takes some sting out of today's baseball game.

Here is his film. He looks like a high 3-star to me. Wouldn't quite give him that 4th star. Scout.com agrees. Rivals gave him the 4th. If 3.5 were an option that would be most accurate.

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  • Warren says:
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    Huge pickup, I don’t ever remember getting a 4-star this early. He should be a great deep threat and red zone target for us. I’m hoping he can also help bring along his teammate Darius Powe! Hopefully this is another domino to fall in what will hopefully be a great class.

    • angry angry says:
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      So far this is the best class ever (for this point in the year). Each commit is legit and highly sought after. Again, it is a flawed idea that you can’t recruit to Corvallis. You just need enthusiastic recruiters and strong effort in closing. As soon as the Beavers focused on those things, they have had success. It makes me wonder why they were half-assed Luddites for a decade.

  • angry angry says:
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    For those who missed it, check the (football) forum for a good Riley interview from Wednesday.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Good stuff. Everyone should take time to listen to this 20 min interview. Thanks for the heads up, Angry.

  • angry angry says:
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    Anyone know who the QB is in that video? Short-arms the ball a bit but otherwise looks legit.

  • Beavocalypse says:
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    Well- we’ve gotten the token 4 star of the class. Usually this is where OSU peaks. Maybe this year will be different.

  • Orange Lantern says:
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    I like the look of this guy. He looks very athletic and like he will be a solid OSU receiver.
    Recruiting should be easier with the new MegaTV deal and fact that it will end up at 400+ million a year when the Pac-12 Media Enterprises is added. That means atleast 33.3 million per team average per year!! We should focus on the angle of recruiting kids with chips on their sholder as Oregon St. is an ideal place to go up against many bigtime programs and really stand out when you beat them. We just need to start beating Oregon besides USC, Cal & Washington. Right now in the college football landscape you can make a big name for yourself by beating Oregon. What better platform then as the main rival of Oregon. Hopefully Brennan snags many more high recruits in the next couple years so we can get this ship back into full gear ahead. We shall see if we see many differences in the offense with Brennan involved or if the look will mostly seem the same. I am hoping he gets more involved in strategy and can make us less predictable. Now if Banker could recruit a feisty and tenacious D we might have a better chance to get back to the top of the conference.

    • JackBeav says:
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      I agree… great recruit…

      …lotsa moula for the conference…

      …means lotsa moula per school…

      …need to beat in-state cheaters as much as we beat out-of-state cheaters…

      …yada…

      …yada…

      …yada!

    • angry angry says:
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      The defense should be good this year. LB gets a huge upgrade, and the secondary is solid. I have faith in Crighten at DE, so it’s a matter of finding his bookend and a little depth. I think that will sort itself out and we’ll be fine.

      • ObjCritic says:
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        I thought this WR commit was a nice surprise. It will be important to hold on to him. If he’s still going to make his visits, he ‘s going to hear a lot – will OSU counter? I have hopes now that Brennan will. Plus Brennan’s been after this kid even before Brennan became a coach here, that helps.

        Angry – a bit surprised you think this D will be good this year. I think the OLB’s and DB’s could be very good, but worry that an undersided D line will render them inffective?

        • angry angry says:
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          I love a DL of Crichton, Thompson, Frahm, and Glover.

          I realize Thompson might be out, and Glover might be moved inside. If that’s the case, Crichton, Frahm, Glover, and Fernando/Henry is pretty good. Tuivailala might be Paea MkII…total wildcard who could make the line even better. I rate them as a B- right now, which is not bad. Gabe Miller and Taylor Henry were ineffective last year, so I view the unit as an upgrade overall despite losing Paea.

    • osbeavs says:
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      Going to take money to make money. The downside of owning your conference network outright is that you have to invest the capital. The first few years our TV earnings will be down due to start-up costs.

      • angry angry says:
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        Yep, Calculus 101, and the old cost of producing the first widget.

        • osbeavs says:
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          Bummer is everyone expects instant success, I think start-up costs will be more than expected.

  • JackBeav says:
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    I just like the kid and his skills.

    Yay!

  • rosco65pts says:
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    Wait, every year all I hear from Beav fans is that the star rating doesn’t matter, but when Beav gets a 4* all of a sudden it does matter and this is going to be the best recruiting year ever?

    • helmsley says:
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      I don’t think most angry bloggers have ever suggested that getting a 4* doesn’t matter.

    • Beavocalypse says:
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      Most of the commentors here believe we should be getting more 4 stars. The Beaver fans on other sites that say they don’t care are jealous, spiteful idiots. Of course, this would be asking you, an obvious Duck fan, to read.

  • angry angry says:
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    Gilmore’s gutty blocking (watch late in the film) might put him over the edge into 4-star category.

    I wish Issac Seumalo would commit–he would provide added momentum and eye candy (i.e. the 4th star) for recruits who follow the services. When they don’t see 4-star guys, they wonder why. To have two 4-stars early in the process would be huge. There is a possibility Wallace becomes a 4-star down the line.

    It makes me a bit nervous that Gilmore hasn’t visited Corvallis yet. But, he did say “family atmosphere” and a staff he is comfortable with were two priorities.

  • G Joubert says:
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    Three thoughts. First, maybe after his senior season he will be a 4 star. Second, I don’t know about this early signing business. As good as it might seem, it also gives him a full year to reconsider and change his mind. Riley should try to get him up for spring camp. Third, of course you can recruit to Corvallis, and Riley of all people knows it. Except for Chad Johnson, it was under Riley that all those players were recruited who played in the 2001 Fiesta Bowl, and were a field goal away (at Washington on the road against a very good Washington team) from being in the national championship game.

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    I completely agree! There are so many college towns in this continue with huge dynasties for football programs. You just have to be able to sell your strong points. With Mike Riley’s strong showing of putting lowly high school recruits into the NFL I can’t believe he’s never been able to use that as a stronger selling point for some of the bigger name recruits. Hopefully that’s going to start changing.

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    I completely agree with what Angry said earlier. There are so many college towns in this country with huge dynasties for football programs. You just have to be able to sell your strong points. With Mike Riley’s strong showing of putting lowly high school recruits into the NFL I can’t believe he’s never been able to use that as a stronger selling point for some of the bigger name recruits. Hopefully that’s going to start changing.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      Whoops I didn’t think it posted the first time.

  • Warren says:
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    Gilmore’s visiting the 27th and he’s bringing along Darius Powe with him. It’d be great to get both of them.

  • helmsley says:
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    I know this sounds a bit thick, but when will these illustrious players actually attend OSU – assuming they sign an iron-clad agreement?

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      They’ll be on campus for the 2012 season.

  • jim says:
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    that QBs got pretty good precision.

  • angry angry says:
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    Is anyone else scratching their head this morning?

    If improving recruiting results is as easy as firing dead weight and getting up to date with technology, why did these things take a decade to execute?

    • helmsley says:
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      Do the recruiters push academics at all? I was so impressed with a not-so-long-ago comment on Oregonlive (if I remember this correctly) that only OSU and Cornell have land, sea, sky, and earth curricula and research facilities. The recent 6’7″ women’s bb recruit was quoted as saying the fit with her major was one of the reasons she chose OSU. What a unique concept!

      • osbeavs says:
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        The fact about OSU and Cornell is true. Heard somewhere that our EXSS program is rated 8th in the country as well. That is a common major for athletes, that bodes well for us.

      • JackBeav says:
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        Ummm… land, sea, space, sun?

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    “…He wants to visit Notre Dame, Michigan and Utah along with Oregon State. …”
    http://247sports.com/Article/Gilmore-commits-to-Oregon-State-28239

    When he’s a student I’ll believe it until then I’m not getting my hopes up.

    Additionally, there’s this:

    “…”The plan was for me and Darius to commit together but I jumped the gun,” he said. “I know he is really high on Oregon State and he’s going on the visit with me so we’ll see what happens.” …”

    Darius doesn’t even have an offer from the Beavs. He “only” has offers from Michigan, Notre Dame, UCLA, Utah and Washington. Fat chance in hell of the Beavs being able to out recruit those schools.

    I’m still not convinced that Riley can successfully recruit kids of this caliber. Proof of that would be some very good linemen commiting to OSU. I probably don’t even need to speak of the walk-on OL OSU started last year and are expected to be the starters this year.

    • osbeavs says:
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      Yet the only one of those schools list that is actually good is Utah. The guy is a WR which means he will stay. We don’t seem to have problems getting WR talent, its the trenches where we need help, like you said.

      • angry angry says:
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        And DB, which is why Wallace’s verbal is a big deal.

        • osbeavs says:
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          That is recent though, we have traditionally recruited solid WR’s and QB’s, everything else has been hit and miss.

          • angry angry says:
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            Right, but if the staff improves recruiting (which they clearly have) I’m not going to be a dick and discredit that change and effort. I will question why it took a decade, though. Landing a legit CB is improvement. We haven’t had one in years. Landing a 4-star this early is improvement, even if it is at WR.

  • Xcalifguy says:
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    Not sure why OSU doesn’t promote the pro set offense it runs as a recruiting advantage, especially for linemen? I have a second cousin who was a starter on the ucks O line the past 3 yrs (graduated this year), I won’t say who. And no, I hate the ucks. His draft prospects were really zilch, not that he was a great lineman in comparison to a lot who were drafted, but probably competitive. The bigger point is that although Oregon runs the spread and it may be effective at winning college games, for a lot of specific positions the players are at a disadvantage in moving to the next level. I think offensive line is one of those positions. I wonder if my cousin would have gotten a much better chance of draft selection had he played for OSU? No doubt he would have started (not that that’s saying much…), but the pro style offense SHOULD be a selling point for those recruits intent on going to the next level. It’s much easier for scouts to envision these guys making that transition from a pro set much more smoothly.

    • angry angry says:
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      Since 1988, Oregon has had 6 offensive lineman drafted. Oregon State has had 7.
      They probably don’t promote the pro-set because they just don’t…OSU never thinks of these things. But even if they did, they’ve only put one more lineman in the NFL compared with the Ducks.

      • JackBeav says:
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        From what roots? I realize Max Unger may not have been highly rated by the complete idiots who do the ratings for high schoolers, but he was one of maybe three Nikegon recruits I envied over the last several years (the others being last year’s O-line recruits). The rest are pretty much toast.

        OSU has those who have been drafted, and they have a couple extra who have made it via undrafted free agency… and a couple more who would have been major stars were it not for injury.

  • ChrisW12 says:
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    Hey Angry, take a look at Maliks facebook. There is a interesting comment posted by a firmiliar name that is pretty interesting to me. (about 2012 receivers)

    • angry angry says:
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      Kenny Lawler?

      Brennan is doing some nice work…

      • Warren says:
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        Our WR class could potentially be Malik Gilmore, Darius Powe, and Kenny Lawler. Add in guys like Cooks, Trosin, Mullaney, etc. from this past year and I don’t see why a QB wouldn’t want to come here.

        • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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          Because the OL is allowing the QB to take some serious hits. Way too many hits and imo, until the coaching staff starts bringing in some studs, the future doesn’t look much better. Possibly worse.

          • JackBeav says:
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            Actually, they’ve been pretty good in pass protection. It’s their run-blocking that totally sucks eggs.

            Have you been watching this team? Or are you trying to stir a hornets nest out of play-doh?

          • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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            WTF are you talking about? Are you drinking while you’re posting or just talking out of your ass?

          • JackBeav says:
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            I’m not saying that they’ve been spectacular. if you’ve been hanging around here for any length of time, you should know the consensus of thought on our o-line. What was once a run blocking machine which successfully pass blocked because the scheme fooled the defense turned into a unit which could pass block first and forgot how to run block. Since they couldn’t run block on the right side of the line outside the B gap or in the left A gap, they concentrated on protecting the QB. As the year progressed, that failed as well because they couldn’t provide themselves relief enough in the run game.

            Everyone allows their QB to take to take too many shots, but it doesn’t mean they deserve criticism for the sake of criticism. Stanford’s o-line allowed Luck to get creamed by the Beavs more than once, yet I would suggest the best o-line in the Pac 10 went on to have a successful game.

            I agree that we need better o-linemen, but I don’t agree on your primary reasoning.

            And yes, I was drinking with my ass while talking… or something like that.

      • ChrisW12 says:
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        Ya Might not mean anything, but I saw that and thought it was wort noting. Would be a nice receiver class, add in Seumalo and 1 more elite oline and we’re in serious business. I think the new coachs and a down year forcing the other coachs to reevaluate themselves, is going to make this recruiting class a good one.

  • Orange Lantern says:
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    Off topic:

    For those who have not seen this site, it is a good Pac-12 board:

    http://www.pac12board.com/

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    All too often when OSU gets a commitment from a 4 star player they have grade issues and if that’s the case, often never show up.

    W.r.t. the kids who are causing the current excitement, does anyone know for sure if they have the grades to qualify?

    • JackBeav says:
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      Play-doh!

      It’s not like we’re Nikegon fans wondering why DeAnthony Thomas is academically ineligible to compete in high school track and field, yet he still gets into an Ivy League type school like Nikegon.

      Hold on… let me finish laughing….

      Ok… I can see the point about academics being brought up. It happens. But it seems to be something of a hump which we’ve gotten over.

      USC does the same with many players, and they don’t bat an eye when those players don’t make it. They just keep recruiting. The reason it stands out at OSU is because those who are four stars are limited in our classes.

  • JackBeav says:
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    I looked at the tape again. I think he gets the fourth star because he makes what he’s doing look easy. All the intangibles makes it look like he’s not putting any effort into his play. When, in fact, we know those intangibles take a lot of effort to get right in the first place.

    It’s just odd watching someone with so much talent knowing he’s gonna be a Beav. I tried watching the tape to look for that feisty effort so many of our recruits need to show in order to overcome size/speed/talent deficiencies elsewhere. I forgot that he was a prototypical WR prospect. If he stays healthy, there’s no doubt he’ll be playing on Sundays.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Off topic:

    Cliff Harris cited for driving 118 MPH on I-5.

    With a suspended license.

    In a rental car.

    Interesting.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6657525

    • angry angry says:
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      “Once we have finished collecting all the information in this situation, we will determine the appropriate action.”–Kelly

      Translation: “we’re trying to figure out how he can remain on the team without our image being further tarnished.”

      • JackBeav says:
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        I say the three football players involved get at least a one game suspension for NCAA rules involving impermissible benefits IF Nikegon reports it themselves and takes the action quickly. Since it’s out there, they’d be morons not to do so. Since it’s Nikegon, that’s up in the air.

        Harris will receive an additional game because he’s an idiot. He has a court date in Lane County today for the second of his speeding/suspended license violations since 2010. His past says he won’t show up for it, be found guilty by default, and lapse on the fine until they send it to collections.

        All three players will appeal their suspensions and get court injunctions which allow them to play until their appeals are decided. They will be denied on Sep. 5th, and the Chipster will say justice was done.

    • JackBeav says:
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      The rental was done by a Nikegon employee, and she claims to have bank deposits amounting to the $300 she spent to rent the car. Regardless of whether or not this is true, it is still an impermissible benefit given to the three football players involved.

      The $300 she spent on her rental does not cleanly transfer in terms of the actual value of this benefit. Even if it did, it would still be an impermissible benefit.

      It’s a Hertz rental, and through experience I can tell you it costs an arm and a leg for someone under 25 to rent one of their cars. At that age I had to go to Enterprise because of all the additional fees (and nearly having to prove that I could buy the car outright on top of the fees). And that was as a member of the US military at the time. I think the rules have eased a bit, but I still think anyone under 21 still can’t drive rentals without some major, major fees.

      Since the local news outlet followed up on the rental with Hertz, we can assume they know she broke their rental contract. Their actions from there could be to charge the additional fees for additional drivers and underage drivers to the credit card she provided. Those charges could effectively double her original $300 cost for just the two drivers known to have used the car with her permission. They could also report the incident to her insurance provider, which would kill her rates in the future. But that seems unlikely. Lastly, and most probably, she will probably be added to Hertz’ blacklist for rentals.

      And I would suppose she probably loses her job for three violations of NCAA rules governing impermissible benefits… that we know about.

      Harris was lucky the trooper didn’t call the rental agency to confirm that he was an authorized operator of the vehicle. But common sense kinda dictates that was obviously the case. I don’t know any cops who miss on the detail that the car they’ve pulled over is a rental. So Harris obviously got off really light on this stop. A cop having a bad day would have been completely in the right for impounding the car and arresting Harris, leading to more costs and complications for the employee who gave the impermissible gift.

      This story leads me to believe this was not the first time this rental/borrow agreement has taken place. The only reason these kids pay the Nikegon employee $300 cash is because they can’t walk into Hertz and lay down $300 cash for a weekend rental. I find it hard to believe that this is an isolated incident, but I guess someone as stupid as Harris can come up with an idea for circumventing the law, breaking NCAA rules and avoiding the excessive costs associated with renting a car at his age all by himself at least once.

  • Nerraw eromlig says:
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    Big Malik will definitely be a Beaver in 2012. This kid comes from a great back ground hard working blue collar parents were who taught him character and values something it sounds like Oregon st. Fans respect. His family just drove from Lakewood ca to Corvallis on the weekend of June 27th and he is in love with the entire coaching staff the town and school. Check out the recently updated pictures on his Facebook. The kid just spent the week up at Nike in Beaverton fir the Opening Event an repped OSU with a new hat. Spent some quality time with youngsters from a group home and sported OSU socks during the entire event. Malik also is working hard to recruit teammates and other ballers to OSU which is why he committed so early and even if Darius Powe doesn’t commit to OSU Coach Brennen and Coach Riley were the only reasons why a 6th 3in 200lb wr with offers from his dads favorite school Notre Dame and traditions like Michigan would even commit to OSU. Lastly grades will not be an issue with this kid if he had offers from Duke,Cal,Notre Dame,and OSU grades are his last concern. So beaver fans have no fear #18 is hear. We just got to work on helping get the #18 jersey in 2012.

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