26.Sep.2011 Post UCLA General Discussion

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Thanks for biting your tongue and not bombarding the petition with random, off-topic comments. Feel free to let it all out now.

Some thoughts I've been having:

  • It's difficult to remain interested in NCAA football. (Specifically the Beavers (duh)).
  • Feel like the Beavers are Microsoft, and the Ducks are Apple. Maybe not completely accurate since Microsoft had a good run. Beavs are Linux, Ducks are Apple? That's probably more accurate.
  • Every time I try to be positive and think about improved recruiting, etc, it's tempered by this qualifier: the same staff will be coaching them.
  • Mike Riley had a really bad press conference. He basically blamed Sean Mannion. He also looked completely befuddled and shot. He should retire.
  • People keep mentioning Riley as the next AD. Do we really want his mindset at the top?
  • ASU has looked damn good this year. 0-4 is a given.
  • It's hard to look at the schedule and find a win, but you know the Beavers will improve as the season progresses and someone will overlook them. I'm now thinking 2 to 3 wins. Adjusted down from 7 (what the hell was I thinking???).
  • I watched a lot of college football this weekend, and it just seems like everyone else makes the game look effortless. Beavs, even when they were "good", always looked on their heels and different than other teams. Something is just off.
  • Cliff Kirkpatrick is blowing Riley. That's the only explanation for his delusion.
  • Beaver fans aren't afraid to lose Riley; they're afraid we'll get a worse coach. I don't fear that. Should I? Can't the new coach be fired if he sucks? Isn't a shot at greatness worth the risk?

That's about it. If I can muster up a care in the world I'll do a writeup for the ASU game later in the week. Other hobbies are sounding better, though.

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  • angry angry says:
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    OSU’s ranking of 119th nationally in pass defense out of 120 FBS teams is not likely to scare Sun Devils’ quarterback Brock Osweiler or his stable of quick receivers.

    “That’s going to be a hard one,’’ said Riley of the ASU game.

    “They’re good.’’

    hahaha

  • JackBeav says:
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    I have three complaints about the UCLA game.

    1. When #13 was in the game, our defense was horrible. What sane person looks at any tape this year and thinks, “Hmmm… that #13 is good. He should be on the field more often.”

    2. We had an opportunity to take the lead with 10 minutes left after we stopped them on downs. Instead of kicking a 51 yard FG and building on our momentum, we give it all up by taking a poor chance on fourth down? You keep the fans and your team engaged by scoring points. Do it when you have the chance.

    3. We took zero chances downfield. Those long crosses to Bishop were all, and those are not considered over the top. Take a shot every now and then on first downs or third and longs. Just huck it every now and then to see what happens. Without that mentality, Mannion doesn’t learn to pull that 4th and 8 incompletion back and just lob the easy TD to the streaking Wheaton when the UCLA safety bites on the out.

    • angry angry says:
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      #13 is the new Pankey.

      Thanks to this staff’s bullheadedness, I’m stuck spending the next three years waiting for him to graduate.

      • slamadam says:
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        robinson is a junior this year

        • JackBeav says:
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          That sounds about right. This year is one year. Next year, he will inevitably get hurt and miss the year. There will be breathless reports from beat writers about him getting a medical exemption. And they’ll blow up his legend as if his career numbers over three seasons are worthy of a D1 LB over three seasons. Never mind that those numbers represent tackles mostly made ten yards downfield and mostly with a safety helping. And never mind that even if they were legitimate numbers they would only be representative of an average LB over half of one season.

          They’ll talk about how the injury bug takes “experience” off the field. Meanwhile, “inexperience” will shine like no tomorrow. But when he comes back for year three, he’ll be inserted as a starter, and we’ll all be wondering what the hell #13 is doing on the field again.

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      “2. We had an opportunity to take the lead with 10 minutes left after we stopped them on downs. Instead of kicking a 51 yard FG and building on our momentum, we give it all up by taking a poor chance on fourth down?”

      I don’t think a field goal there would have been the right call. I was in the stands about eye level with the goal posts, it was getting windy at that point in the game and the wind would have been in our face. At that distance, I highly doubt Romaine makes the kick. I do, however, agree that the running play called was garbage. I don’t understand why you bother handing the ball off when you only need 1 yard and your quarterback is 6’5″ with long arms. All Mannion needs to do is get a small push and lean forward over the pile. 1st down. That’s how we used Derek Anderson in those situations.

      • JackBeav says:
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        Romaine was hitting the goal line from his own 35 into that wind. I think he makes it from 25 yards closer.

        I knew the coaches were worried about the wind when they called for the directional kick to start the fourth quarter. But Romaine still put it on the two before it bounced out. That’s a lot of leg. I think the coaches screwed the pooch with regards to Romaine’s use. He should have kicked that ball straight and deep. THEN they might have seen that the wind was not as big a factor as they worried it was.

      • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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        I think going for it on 4th and 1 was the right call. If you can’t get 1 yard you don’t deserve to win. The fly sweep two plays before is what forced them into a 4th and 1 to begin with. The fly sweep play call was a horrible play call. Made no sense. They had that play shut down the whole game and in a crucial spot you can’t run that play. Mannion had been making some good throws and stretch run plays had been doing a better job. Also, why the hell was Terron Ward in the game? He had shown no ability to hit the hole with power or break any tackles. He was gonna get stuffed the second he received contact and that’s what happened. Jovan Stevenson had clearly outplayed him and had shown more patience and was running much harder. If anyone gets the ball in a run it should have been Stevenson.

        The run play being ran wrong was most likely Langsdorf’s fault. We know he’s a moron and probably gave Sean the wrong call, but Riley would much rather blame Sean than the guy calling the plays.

        • angry angry says:
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          I think going for it on 4th and 1 was the right call. If you can’t get 1 yard you don’t deserve to win.

          By that logic, teams would never punt.

          In this case, I thought going for it was the right call since at 21-19 a FG still wins the game. So, a coach is looking at either (a) tied game or (b) down only 2 where a FG wins it. That is a good risk/reward. Also, the Beavs had momentum, so it was smart to try and build on it.

          The play call and execution left much to be desired.

          • JackBeav says:
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            We’re not talking about the 2PAT anymore. What we’re discussing is the run play on 4th and 1 from their 34 yard line. I’m suggesting that we should have tried that FG that would have given us the lead instead of risking all our momentum on a play that hadn’t worked all game.

            If it’s a miss, then at least we get to blame the classic scapegoat–the K. But if Romaine hits that FG, we go up by one and give our D a renewed purpose after they made a great 4th down play of their own.

        • JackBeav says:
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          I’m not gonna get down on Ward for his play. He was making some tough yards out of nothing for most of the game. And by tough yards I mean something positive up the middle if he was fortunate enough to make it to the line. Stevenson was clearly better off tackle. But that was because Joe was doing some nice blocking to seal the edge. We clearly were going to struggle up the middle with the personnel we have on the o-line. They clearly could not contain unless we ran the fly sweep.

          A little bit of thought would have been nice.

          And UCLA couldn’t make one yard prior to us not making one yard. I guess an argument could be made that they deserved to win about as much as we did. But at least they took the chances to score when the opportunities presented themselves.

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            Ward’s problem is he has no vision. He took the handoff and ran straight into the backs/butts of his linemen. Anxiety issue, maybe.

            Stevenson bounced some runs outside after the initial hole collapsed.

            I wasn’t impressed with Ward’s speed, either. I heard he was a 4.40 guy…even when he found a little space he didn’t look very fast.

          • JackBeav says:
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            Ward never got any space where he wasn’t sideways from trying to sidle through some tiny gap. The call was a dive, and that’s what he did. Is he experienced enough to read the play as he ‘s getting the ball? No. So for that reason the coaches called the wrong personnel on top of the wrong play.

          • Mckalk Mckalk says:
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            Ward seems to go down very easily and he too fumbled in the red zone.

    • osbeavs says:
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      Robinson had 3 tackles on the game!!! Doctor barely played and had 4. Riley is quoted as saying that the guy played because he was bigger. He is still a garbage football player, my grandma is tougher (and this not hyperbole). Riley has his head so far up his ass, I will never forgive him.

    • Gash says:
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      The Angry Beavers in my section complain every time we punt in our own territory, kick a field goal inside the 20, or kick a field goal in a near the 4th quarter that is not a definitive game changer. If we had missed a 51 yard field goal on 4th and 1 the Angry Beavers in my section would have booed the Beavers off the field, if not eaten Mike Riley alive.

      As it was all comments were that it was a good call to go for it, but . . .

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      The Freshman Mannion in his first game as the undisputed quarterback should ‘just lob the easy TD to the streaking Wheaton when the UCLA safety bites on the out’ a play which requires the ability first to consistently throw a good deep out

      Another Angry Beaver fan smarter than Mike Riley

  • CorVegasBeav says:
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    Riley would be HORRIBLE as AD. Pat Casey should be AD next year after coaching for one more final season. I am not afraid of losing Riley, but I do have some fear of DeCarolis picking the next head coach. I think we should hire Creative Artists for one week and they can pick the next head coach. They have done a good job being forward-thinking for the Pac-12 working with Larry Scott and would atleast try to make us relevant.

    I am not anti-Nike like JackBeav but admit they have been cutting us short. They either need to treat us as another school they majorly support or we should maybe consider Under Armour. They tend to do designs that get noticed and are on the forefront of carving out unique niches for their teams and I do think OSU could be the right type of program for them in theory. Problem is I don’t think Riley is really thier type of personality. We are just a very stagnant program in a very archaic mold and not many brands want to be associated with that.

    • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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      “Riley would be HORRIBLE as AD.”

      I agree. As posted below in this thread, I think Riley is best-suited to the role of offensive coordinator at OSU (or at another D-1 football program). MR is not well-suited to the role of head coach of a major college football program. MR as AD would be even worse. It’s simply a bad fit with Riley’s talents and passions.

  • JackBeav says:
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    Also, sadly, Castro’s suspension was a factor in this game. Regardless of #13’s lack of presence in the gaps which were gaping while he was in, Masaniai would have eaten space in the middle. But at least Riley’s weird suspension rotations were done so they don’t hurt the team… as he suggested before the opener.

    • angry angry says:
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      Exactly. Not only did he send an unspoken message that “we need Castro to beat Sac State”, but he also hurt the team vs UCLA, a game they needed much more. He doesn’t get simple things. He is bad at psychology.

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    On another note, a decision nobody seems to be talking about: When the score was 21-19 after the TD in the third quarter, we got a penalty on the 2-point conversion. Riley STILL decided to go for two at the EIGHT YARD LINE! It was still the THIRD QUARTER! If he had kicked the PAT it would have been 21-20, and when OSU was driving for a POTENTIAL tying TD later, the score would have only been 27-20. If they hadn’t been stopped on downs they would have only needed the PAT. I am befuddled by this decision.

    • JackBeav says:
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      That’s a minor one in my mind. I agree that we probably should have taken the gimme instead of trying for two at that point. But we weren’t going to lose momentum because of that one play. I think not trying the long FG killed the game. If Romaine hits a 51 yard FG, the crowd goes nuts, and our D sets up for a stand on their 20 and with a lead instead of having to trot out deflated after a bad offensive play to try and hold a shorter field.

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        why do you assume a freshman makes a 51 yarder? youre talking about a kid that kicked the ball out of bounds after one of the second half scores to give ucla good field position. my problem wasnt the decision to go for, it was that it was a play call destined to fail. no andrews, no phillipp, and youre still gonna put the most important play of the game (season) on the offensive line?

        • JackBeav says:
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          He has the leg, and he can make it. But if you give him a vote of no confidence and try to do something with the ball that we weren’t able to do all game, then what message does that send? He’s not a frosh. He’s a place kicker. Use him like one.

          • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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            At the time the decision was made, the wind was also a factor (Romaine would have been kicking into maybe a 5-10 mph wind). But TR does have a strong leg, and I think he could have made the kick.

      • osbeavs says:
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        Why didn’t we attempt to pass on 4th and one? It is unconventional but considering our run game and the fact that we have two (essentially)possession receivers in Rodgers and Wheaton. We couldn’t hit one of them on that slot drive play we ran like 30 times. We could have lined up with Jenkins at the FB position and let him peel out to the flat as an outlet if the shallow cross was finally covered.

        • Gash says:
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          Rodgers and Wheaton are ‘(essentially)possession receivers’

          Another Angry Beaver fan smarter than Mike Riley

          • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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            “…Another Angry Beaver fan smarter than Mike Riley…”

            Another Mike Riley fan who wants to hear no evil? This is the same kind of bull shit that used to be spread over on PO. Anyone who questions the coach about anything is an idiot.

    • mckalk mckalk says:
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      That play would have caused John Madden to roll over in his…..nevermind. Madden always said never go for two until it is your last option to tie a game because of how low of a percentage play (even lower from 8 yards out) it is. Of course, that is predicated upon having a defense that could actually rise up and stop the opponent on a crucial series.

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    During the Oregon vs. Arizona game I actually found myself liking known a-hole Stoop’s antics and tirades, at least he shows passion for his job.

    Doctor and Stevenson both should be starting next week versus ASU. (unless Agnew is healthy)

    • sparkyd73 says:
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      Stoops is an embarrassment to all that is good about college sports. He should not be allowed anywhere near a forming mind. I cannot understand any parent that would even consider letting their son play for him. In all of the tirades that I ever saw from Bobby Knight I never saw him be as out of control. And to keep going down that rabbit hole Knight had an amazing record which Stoops does not.

      I know that many people on this site will disagree with me on this, but as disappointed as I am in this team and as much as I feel OS needs dramatic changes, I would not exchange Riley for Stoops, Erickson or even the Chipster.

      I’m not saying that I approve of the losing, that does not capture my thoughts at all. Maybe I’m just living with my head in the sand but I don’t want to see OS cheat, or win without class.

  • homefry homefry says:
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    As I told my wife later Saturday, at this will free up my weekends and eliminate drinking beer in the middle of the day…

  • StarcraftSquall says:
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    Here are the Post-Week 4 Pac-12 Power Ratings:

    STAN 145.33
    ORE 144.87
    AZST 135.24
    UTAH 131.85
    USC 127.57
    WASH 126.14
    ARIZ 122.55
    WAST 122.13
    CAL 121.02
    UCLA 120.78
    ORST 119.97
    COL 119.09

    Feel free to comment. It appears that one of the most winnable games in the Pac-12 for OSU this year is one that won’t be played (Colorado).

  • matt b says:
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    #13 is miscast as an outside linebacker. He hits well but reading, reacting and disengaging are a bit slow. He would have been a perfect candidate for fb where acting is more important than reacting and where his size would add critical leverage to engage blocking schemes. He is very good at stuffing. Stanford used/uses converted linebackers and lineman for fb and hback to get additional mass/leverage for running plays.

    Converted qb to safety may be the 2nd best potential rb on team and may be the best kicker for kick offs on team. He may be good at safety in future years but is quite versatile now. He reads blocking/holes very well and would be very good as receiver in short passing game.

    This isn’t a good time to change but personnel should be matched to the job you are asking them to do and the system should be matched to personnel strengths and weaknesses. The current system does not adjust in game to run plays (offense and defense) that accentuate discovered advantages nor does it force the opposition to make tactical adjustments in real time.

    • JackBeav says:
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      #13 hits well? Hits what? His imaginary friend?

      Watching the game the first time, I saw him standing on the edge for what I can only assume was contain… when the misdirection was to the opposite side and the ball was going over the B gap on his side.

      At least he had to courtesy to wave at the RB and fall down when he was going by.

      Then there was #40 flying around the field demolishing ball carriers who were previously enjoying the parade route established by #13. There were a couple plays where #40 destroyed the edge block and allowed Crichton or Wynn to engulf the hole. Where #13 stood and waved, #40 destroyed.

      In watching the game a second time, I only saw #13 make one tackle. And he couldn’t help but make it because he was just in the way. He certainly didn’t initiate the hit. There were two other times when he jumped on the tackle after the play was over. But that was it. He wasn’t even effective enough to be someone who swarmed to the ball late.

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    The Peter Principle states that every employee rises to his level of incompetence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle

    Mike Riley is the living embodiment of the Peter Principle.

    Let’s quickly review Riley’s career. Riley made his reputation as an offensive strategist. His innovative offensive schemes won two Grey Cups in Canada. He then enjoyed success as offensive coordinator at USC under head coach John Robinson. This got him the head coaching job at OSU. He coached two years in his first stint at OSU (both losing seasons) and then took an NFL head coaching position at San Diego. After going 14-34 in three seasons, Riley was fired. He was an assistant coach with the Saints for one season, and then returned as head coach of the Beavers, where he’s been since 2003.

    MR has proven himself well-qualified to install and run a complex pro-style offense at the D-1 level. That’s what he loves to do. It’s his passion. In fact, MR’s life’s work is a particular pro-style offense that he has been developing for 25+ years. As for the rest (defense, special teams, recruiting, motivating players, administering a big-time college football program), MR lacks great passion or interest. So, as head coach, he delegates all this to others.

    A head coach is like a CEO. A CEO can’t succeed by delegating everything to subordinates, closing his office door, and spending full time focusing on his own favorite pet project. The head coach/CEO must actively manage the enterprise, and hold subordinates accountable when parts of the business fail to perform. That’s simply not happening at OSU, and it’s clearly Riley’s fault, as head coach/CEO.

    While MR focuses obsessively on his beloved pro-style offense (and the QB’s and receivers who make it go), the rest of the program has been spiraling downward. It is obvious to any objective observer that some of Riley’s key subordinates are under-performing badly. Riley has shown little interest or ability — as head coach — to properly manage guys — like Banker — to whom he has delegated so much power. MR seems to prefer maintaining friendships and cozy working relationships than to doing his job as CEO and firing subordinates who fail to perform.

    I have a feeling that MR knows this, deep down. Part of him wishes he could just be left alone to run his little offense, and not have to deal with all this other stuff. MR is a kind and decent guy who doesn’t want to fire or demote friends such as Mark Banker or Danny Langsdorf. But that’s what a competent head coach/CEO would do in the current situation. MR’s failure to do this is what the Peter Principle is all about….

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      No, sorry….the peter principle doesnt apply. Riley has already shown he is a good HC, in previous winning seasons and bowl games. But right now he has slacked off and that in combination with incompetant subordinates gives us our new doormat identity. Riley can win, if he wants to. Clearly, he no longer gives a rats ass…

  • slamadam says:
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    My thoughts- Above all else, the thing that bugs me the most is that this team, with all its faults and flaws, should be sitting 2-1 today. Now unless they pull a big upset once in the next two weeks were all looking at 0-5. There was more to like saturday than the first two games. once jrod gets a bit more comfortable and is all the way back i believe hes capable getting this team a win all by himself. the freshman group has a lot of playmakers. (cooks, crighton, wynn, welch, zimmerman all have me excited) . mannion did some good things. (no sacks!) but without agnew or phillip and andrews the running game was non existant, and arizona state has a much better defense than ucla, so i shudder to think about the ground game next week. say what you will about riley, but winning 81 football games at oregon state is a respectable and even admirable feat. its time for banker to go though. theyre average at best in the front 7 and even weaker in the secondary. its such a vanilla defense it reminds me of a middle school team, only with worse man to man coverage.

    • osbeavs says:
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      81? Where in the hell did you get that number? He has 69 wins, 5 short of Lon Stiner’s 74 (All time wins at OSU). I for one hope that Riley doesn’t get 74, it would be a crying shame for him to be our all time wins coach when his best bowl game was a sun bowl.

    • angry angry says:
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      Agreed, OsBeav. Stiner has a much better winning percentage, and he won a Rose Bowl. He’s the best OSU coach. Then Prothro (two Rose Bowls, fantastic win %). After that it’s between Riley and DE.

      • osbeavs says:
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        Angry, did you know that one of the years in the 60’s we didn’t go the Rose Bowl under Protho because the Rose Bowl had a no repeat clause (although we had won the Pac). Makes our teams in the 60’s sound that much better.

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    Regarding Mannion’s “fumble”, I write this a couple weeks ago…

    “I’ll use your comment to slide into a tangential pet peeve of mine… QB fumbles/incomplete passes.
    It’s fucking ridiculous that people, including refs, can’t figure out that the direction the ball travels after leaving the QB’s hand for the most part DETERMINES whether his arm was moving forward or not. The only exception is if the ball itself was hit. If the ball travels forward then, by physics law, his arm must have been moving forward! How could his arm be moving backward, get hit, but the ball fly forward?
    You hear commentators watching slo-mo frame-by-frame replay after replay during a challenge trying to decipher whether his arm was moving forward or not… just watch the fucking ball, idiots.”

    …and right on cue we had the perfect example of this with Mannion’s non-fumble.

    Tell me, how does the ball travel forward unless his arm is traveling forward? Seriously, is there a part of the rule I’m interpreting incorrectly?

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      Agreed. We were at the game on the opposite side of the stadium, and even we could see that the ball moved/lofted forward from where we were standing. What gives? I’ve seen this happen alot in the NFL and College ball, but it is always (with the exception being our Mannion’s pass) called an incompletion — or if anything at worst, intentional grounding. WTF!!!!!! This changed the whole approach to the game for the Beavs, and spotted UCLA an easy TD. Beavs 23 – UCLA 21. PAC12 reffing still sucks. So whats the ruling?

      • numbers says:
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        Absolutely incpomplete. Intentional grounding if anything. I was watching the Cal/UW game and Cals qb actually does the same thing, ruled incomplete- no question. Why do we always get the dumbest refs. I would love to see a video compliation of some of the horrendous calls and no calls over the last couple years. I’d love to see more acountabilty in officating. Beavs always get the crappy calls, and we’re sucking so much that it usually demoralizes us.

        • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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          Did you notice the challenge that went in our favor when Bishop pulled that Superman leap to the end zone? His feet were clearly out of bounds prior to hitting the goal line with the ball. There’s a really good chance if he’s ruled out at the 5 yard line, Oregon State fails to score a touchdown in the next 4 plays. That call, was definitely in our favor. Perhaps it was to make up for the earlier fumble after the refs were able to review during half time. Either way, the crappy calls went both ways in my opinion.

          • numbers says:
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            Oh, no doubt they go both ways. I just am always shocked at hoe bad and inconsistent they can be

        • Joe_Avezzano says:
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          Intentional grounding does not apply. Neither does a fumble.

          The problem is that referees don’t know what to do with a QB “soap dish” play. Clearly they have not reviewed enough NFL film of Dave Krieg, soap dish master extraordinaire. Most of Kreig’s went backwards, though, unlike Mannion’s.

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      I have never seen a challenge get reviewed so quickly. Interesting how much the crowd was angry with Riley for not challenging quicker than he did, but I could easily see that he was waiting for them to do their job on their own and review an obviously close call.

      But I agree, physics should be part of the consideration.

    • Mike says:
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      The ball was not in his control when his arm began to move forward, and the inertia thereof carried the ball forward. Fumble. Period. The stripes got it right… weird that the professionals, backed up by technology got it right, but your “the ball went forward theory” is foolproof in your mind.

      But, you also said you liked Stoops’ antics, so your credibility is lost well before I read this drivel.

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        Unfortuantely, that is how the rule is written and what the announcers said. The ball has to be in control when the forward motion starts. It was bang, bang and the arm was moving forward but he didn’t really have control of it.

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        Hey Mike, I had asked the question once before with no response. When I read through your condescending answer I can see that in your puffed up chest sorta way you’re answering my question about how the rule is written. Thanks for adding to the conversation and helping me understand the rule better, even if you are an arrogant prick while doing so.

  • BeaverBeliever21 says:
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    Keith Pankey can’t understand how Rueben Robinson gets playing time.

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      At least Pankey was in the B gap for most of his career. His problem was that he was too slow to get out of it and play to the edge. But Robinson doesn’t even occupy the gap. He runs to the space vacated by the DE and stands there, or he waits for a blocker to come to him. And whether he’s touched or not, he’s almost always falling backward.

      He did the same thing at MLB last year. When a RB was running right at him, he would stand then fall down backwards. If he was lucky the RB would run into him as he was falling. But most of the time it was the safety running by him (toward the RB) to make the play.

      He’s played in three games now, and he has one solo tackle and three assisted. Yes, he’s barely outpacing our kicker, who at least knows the sideline is his friend.

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        He also was absolutely miserable against UO in 2009. He replaced Bubba (after his injury) and almost singlehandedly was the reason our D sucked in the 4th, because he is afraid to play the game of football. I have hated his play since that moment. He is atrocious and embarrassing.

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      Seems like a Chuck Norris joke would work well here, but I can’t think of one.

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    LIke I said before. Oregon State was getting the breaks for awhile, and the ball bounced our way so to speak, now we’ve been on the opposite side including last season. I see us winning two games this year. We beat Washington, and we beat BYU.

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      Did you see Washington this weekend? Price looked pretty dang good. I think he will pick apart our pathetic D, as will the BYU QB. Sadly, I see each of those teams crushing us. Too bad we don’t play colorado, they look to be bit more at our level. My optimism has been totally drained. This will be a painful season that will suck on a Petoabonian or Kragthorpian level!

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        Amen, brother… We had UCLA and Sac St at home, and couldnt get the job done. And one sees last year’s fade looming, not the previous years coming on. This could get really ugly, esp UO at the end…. the Ducks run up 1000 yds offense, score in 3 figs….oh, god…

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      Maybe Washington. BYU has a much more talented team than we do. (Washington has been getting by mediocre teams just barely but that’s why they’re still in the spotlight. I expect them to start dropping games soon.)

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    To add a positive note to the horrible game on Saturday, Hekker boomed the ball, albeit one time was way to far.

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    Junior just switched his commitment to Cal, calls it his “dream school”. Our start had to be a factor.

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      Hmmm…his high school team is 0-4…seems like he’d feel right at home at OSU.

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    This next game looks to highlight the differences between Erickson and Riley. If Riley ever needed to mustard an upset it is now. I don’t think we will be within 2 TDs when it over though. Our defense is too awful. Banker really does need to go. We do have athletes on this team and ought to be able to compete, but the players have to be focused the entire game and playing with total purpose as a team to get wins. They have to understand that the outcome is the sum of many components during the game and work hard as a team all game. We just don’t get teams off the field enough with our defense. I think J Rod should continue to provide some leadership but we need more of a banding together with more players on both sides of the ball.

    We have our work cut out for us any way you slice it. I hope this team can show a lot of fight and play with pride and to win. I think I would like to see a little more leadership from Wheaton. He is a weapon who we need to be more vocal in boosting the confidence of the offense with Rodgers. I hope Agnew gets healthy and will help give us more shots to win. He seems to be more aggressive then some of the other guys. Stevenson I thought had a respectable game and you have to love his hit on Poyer’s punt return.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Man, that “Mustard an upset” really cracked me up! I didnt figure it out right away, and was looking for some obscure football slang…. then I realized it was just spelling (which I am not good at or I woulda got it sooner)…..and laughed my head off.

      …now I am gonna go slash my wrists…

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      Hehe, mustard is for hot dogs!

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    I guess the game wasn’t as bad as I thought. I told my son who was in the student section, that I didn’t remember our secondary breaking up any passes. He said yes they broke up one pass.

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      Collins actually made a play by reading the man on an underthrow and turning around to swat at the ball. He still ran into the receiver, but because he was turned and playing the ball, there was no PI.

      Amazing how that works.

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    Maximo changed his verbal to Cal. Send in the clowns.

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      O-live quotes have him going to his dream school as an H-back/FB instead of to OSU as a WR. Who knows? I don’t think Tedford’s time at Cal will be very long either. So it’s possibly true.

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    The coaches do need to be accountable. All hope is not lost even though things seem grim. I just wish our AD or coaches could pleasantly surprise us with something to show they are willing to enact some change. Whether that is an in season replacement of Banker, demotion of Langsdorf, a public statement that the Angry muskrat won’t be on the middle of the field next year or anything. But our department is stubborn as hell and resists change to great lengths when change is something that needs to occur in a natural way. Banker is obviously 4 or 5 years behind the times, and people generally don’t want to see the same mediocre product for 20 years straight and are worried about that.

    So do SOMETHING. Anything. Show us you are not just stubbornly unwilling to do anything when the fanbase is ravid for something to be different.

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    Get leach before unm gets him!

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    I think what has fans more upset than anything is that the Athletic Department is so stubborn to enact any changes when they are obviously so wanted by the vast majority of fans.

    Fans think they are being tuned out when the AD and head coach are not willing to enact hardly any kind of change. Whether this is replacing Banker in season, demoting Langsdorf, publicy stating that the Angry Muskrat won’t be in the middle of the field next year or what have you, there has been complete denial that there are any issues or anything wrong when clearly there is.

    fans are scared that they will be forced to live with mediocrity for 20 years and are not being heard. And for the most part they are right. DeCarolis needs to do SOMETHING. Just to show that we are willing to not just be the exact same thing while fans want some change. There are many possibilities to what that could be but you don’t just clam up and pretend it is best to do nothing at all.

    Some kind of steps need to be taken to restore more energy and excitement to the program. Being seen as stagnant and behind the times is not how you are going to excite recruits. Banker is clearly not able to keep up an effective defense. He needs to figure it out very quick and maybe take more chances. But what we see every week is almost the exact same problems.

    But our biggest problem is that we are completely unwilling as a program to do something different and not stagnate in perception. Something has to change to let fans know we just won’t be the exact same if it isn’t getting the reults we need. The AD and coach both need to figure out a couple of ways to end the denial and stubborness and show a willingness to try something new. I don’t care if it is a public poll to pick our next logo and design for the field. Just quit taking the fans for granted and do something. Many of us are tired of the rut and we seem to have 10 more years of it whether we care or not.

    So atleast give us some kind of change to hang our hats on since we don’t have much other choice apparently. The only choice I have is not renewing season tickets and not donating next year and I am going to exercise both rights. If I saw more effort to try to be effective and interesting and doing what it takes to be relevant and desireable maybe in a couple of years I would change my mind. But I and many others see how stubborn this department is to change so I unfortunately am not holding my breath.

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    Opening line @Tempe is +17.5

    The only Pac 12 line bigger than that is UCLA +22 @Stanford. Anyone who thinks Weasel saved his job with this win should not read next Monday’s UCLA press.
    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0925-simers-ucla-20110925,0,2766162.column?obref=obinsite

    I watched the Duck game, and UA killed themselves by dropping three sure TD’s on three separate drives that stalled out. There was absolutely no defense played in that game. And Nikegon’s defense was getting away with a lot of head-hunting. I haven’t seen that from them before, so I’ll take it as them getting chippy when they play the Zonies. I suspect they were getting upset that Darron Thomas was getting hit a lot. But when you run your QB, what do you expect?

    ASU’s unis absolutely suck. I thought they were bad when they came out with them. Now I think I was a little too nice in my initial analysis. ASU is a decent team, but they’re not great. Man, what I wouldn’t give to play a Fink-coached team every week. That guy sucks about as much as ASU’s unis.

    Cleveland Wallace was one of three prospects on an official this weekend, and he loved Corvallis and OSU. I think he sees an opportunity to play early. I think he and the Commish will make a nice tandem in a couple years. I don’t know/wasn’t told who the other two prospects were.

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      Grant Bays and Gavin Andrews were the other two visitors.

      Those ASU unis are TERRIBLE. Old ones were pretty nice.

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      who is the Commish?

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      I like the last line of the la times article. I thought even last season; what if Riley had gone to USC? The OSU bandwagon prevailed with that dumb lifetime contract – beware of bandwagons.

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        Funny thing is that Riley’s program would be killer in LA. His greatest weakness is gone at UCLA and even more so at USC. Think recruiting.

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          If Riley had left… I believe based on the bandwagon feeling at the time, that we might have seen either Banker or Langsdorf as our current head coach.

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            But they could be fired in a heartbeat – assuming BDC hadn’t bestowed a benevolent contract.

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            I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. Thanks for nothing. Just kidding. I think.

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    Linux has too many possibilities with its open source aspects and input from many voices. It is quite adaptable. Oregon State is poor at change and adaptation. They are more like a 15 year old Macintosh still sitting in your basement. While technically “Apple” they have not incorporated the same modern aspects and design and broad functionality that modern recruits demand. Something has to be done to make us intriguing and put us on the map.

    Otherwise we don’t offer as much as many other locales and will get further behind. Our marketing is piss poor. Significant change is needed to bring excitement especially if we are in a “down cycle”. I don’t like that argument much because after 11 years no down year should be bad as the likely 1-11 we may be facing this year. It should never happen.

    Something has to be done to put some spice into Oregon St or we are in danger of being written off and the cycle could last for longer than we want. It is a real danger. Hire a bolder marketing firm and give us something new and different to keep us from staying in a rut. Get aggressive and quit being scared of change. Get in the Iphone 5 or unlocked Iphone 4 era because that is where we are at. Drop the angry muskrat and the horrible script below it and join the 21st Century.

    • angry angry says:
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      I’ve tried Linux three times now. I just don’t see the point in fighting with your operating system. It takes 20 minutes to do a simple task in Linux. :/

      I WANT to love it. I really do.

  • angry angry says:
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    Mamma Machado seems burnt out. Hope that lard ass soccer mom retires!

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    Cleveland Wallace seems like a legit cornerback who can help the Beavs right away. I just hope Banker doesn’t try to ‘teach’ him ‘technique.’ The guy has instinct which is what you need.

    I’m missing Erickson more and more. I can handle 100 yards in penalties when the defense is in your face and has attitude and confidence. That’s one of my biggest problems with Riley. His demeanor seeps into the players and that usually isn’t a good thing. We need some gutsy defensive coordinator who wants to bring a fiersome defense back to Oregon State and can liven these boys up. We are playing on our heels all the time and that just won’t ever work.

    • Mckalk Mckalk says:
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      Some of Pettibone’s defenses played with more passion!

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      I agree 100%. Everyone whined about leading the NCAA in personal foul penalties for a few years (okay, I’ll admit that is a little ridiculous) and wanted to clean up the program and now look what we have. I’d trade every one of our nice boys we have now for some hardened inner city JC players to bring back some attitude and toughness in a heart beat.

  • DU1266 says:
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    Angry –

    Glad to see your orange colored glasses have come off and your have downgraded your expected win total to my initial prediction (which I got lit up for).

    DU1266

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      Dude, I do not wear orange colored glasses. I honestly thought the young players would be better than they are, and I didn’t expect their coaches to be this bad. In retrospect, I should have realized Riley has been mentally shot since the ’09 Civil War. That game killed him. It ended his career.

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        OSU is DOS …. remember dos, and how limited and simpleminded it was?

        Angry with orange colored glasses? LOL … Hey, before the season started there was reason to be a little optimistic. Experienced qb, line shuffling, some new talent. But then the reality of terrible coaching set in.

        Any wins this season will be flukes….where their O fails and ours finds itself. What is scary is the final UO game….they dont hesitate to run up the score, and it could be huge…

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        It seems that my prediction of 5-7 was too optimistic. I hate that. =\ (And no, this isn’t a sarcastic comment.)

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          Hard to blame you, most people had Sac. St and UCLA as wins. I think things have to fall right to even get three wins.

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        Angry –

        I’m just giving you shit for the poor prediction and everyone else who predicted more than 5 wins deserves the same ball busting. And I’m afraid that I never bought into the “experienced qb, line shuffling, some new talent.” The experienced QB was overhyped because he’s just not that good and it’s progressing. A reshuffled o-line doesn’t matter much when they are all equally bad. Lastly, new talent is great, but they are too young to play good football on a consistent basis.

        Overall, I’m just giving you shit.

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          With all due respect, DU, you have no right to do anything but continue to make a prediction. The season is only 3 games old. You can give out the shit at season’s end, when you are shown to be right. Until then, you should stifle it.

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            LOL – that response is laughable but everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion on the matter.

          • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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            Not according to you. You are giving out the shit before you are proved correct.

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            Yeah, the point of this forum is to welcome debate, not stifle it. Disagree, but be open.

  • helmsley says:
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    Granted, this is football season and the focus is there. However, there are many good things going on at OSU right now – check out the osu.edu webpage. For those of you who advocated withholding contributions to BASF, etc., perhaps you can accomplish what JackBeav suggested and stipulate – anything but football – perhaps specify the basketball practice facility.

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    Did I just see a college game day commericial with Benny’s head?

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      You must be watching Monday Night Football. Yes, that was Benny Beaver for ESPN’s “Gameday” commercial! It’s too bad that OSU is having the season they are, because Having Benny Beaver as one of the Capitol One Mascots is the greatest Marketing opportunity OSU has seen since the Fiesta Bowl! Rather than seizing the moment, they are blowing it. Now our football team is becoming irrelevant, and so will Benny Beaver on ESPN, and with the Capitol One Mascot Challenge. It truly is unfortunate.

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        OSU is toast, prepare for 10 years or more of shit football.

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          10 years of shit football is a little dramatic. However, they do need to get this turned out quickly.

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      Was it being roasted on a spit?

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    And the recruits start running in other directions….another one just bit the dust.

    http://highschoolsports.oregonlive.com/news/article/1131565249763409792/football-south-salems-junior-espitia-switches-commitment-from-oregon-state-to-cal-bears/

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    Seems like OSU could benefit from a stout FB with a mean streak this Saturday to hit the blitzing MLB Burfict, who should be coming at young Sean Mannion plenty of times. OSU may losing one receiving option in doing so, but they’ll need to provide an additional means of pass protection.

  • mckalk mckalk says:
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    Angry, I liked your observation on how the Beavers always make everything look hard. Maybe as fans, it appears that way because we are following one team so closely, but even when the team was better it seemed like it was always pulling teeth for them to get some of their wins.

    I think part of it is the slow starts under Riley, it continuously creates situations where there is a lot of pressure to just get back to .500 only 4 or 5 weeks into the season. Some of his teams have responded well to that pressure for awhile, but I think in the end it is mentally draining.

    In my mind, another factor has been the declining defense. Games drag out when the opposition is able to convert on third downs over and over again and fans are helpless waiting for the offense to get the ball back.. I personally thought the only thing saving the team for the last two or three seasons was 99 percentile ball security from the offense because the defense does not create turnovers. It creates a very thin margin for error and now I think with just a few turnovers, a poor defense and sluggish offense it is all coming home to roost.

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      I don’t know why they don’t look the part. They haven’t since the Fiesta Bowl, though. So, to me it’s due to the type of athlete Riley recruits and then also getting the team prepared. I think players execute/play fast when the game is second nature and no thought is involved. These guys have never looked that way under Riley (2006 was the closet thing to it). From the film I’ve seen of practice, Riley walks around and says “good catch, nice throw”, etc but never drills details into these players. My opinion is they need to do the same thing over and over and over until it’s second nature. I’d also hire a sports psychologist (duh) and have them visualize the game/success the week leading up to kickoff. That is huge. I actually learned how to snowboard by visualizing the mountain, my movements, etc before even hitting the slopes, so I know it’s a valid method for hand/eye, muscle memory, and confidence.

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        I think it is the passion,especially on the defensive side. People forget that Pettibone had some defenses that as the cliche goes played “with their hair on fire”. He could never get the offense and defense going at the same time and the “bone” was never going to be a long term solution in the P-10. People tend to see the 28 years as all 1-10 seasons, there were some close calls with Air Kragthorpe and Pettibone, I think just one 6-5 season out of those guys and people would not look at Riley the same way. The game was changing with scholarship parity anyway. I think some of Riley’s coaching flaws are being seriously exposed.

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          there were some close calls with Air Kragthorpe and Pettibone, I think just one 6-5 season out of those guys and people would not look at Riley the same way. The game was changing with scholarship parity anyway.

          This is probably the most astute comment ever left on this site. It’s highly overlooked by fans, and it enslaves them into anointing Riley a savior. Beaver fans are petrified of change. They only think “it could be worse” instead of acknowledging it could also be better. With the right hire, I think winning in Corvallis (or anywhere) is easy. It’s all about the right staff and a cohesive strategy.

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      On offense, it appears the pro-set Riley operates is perhaps too much to ask for most young players to run smoothly and easily in short order. It seems like plays take forever to develop, and everybody is thinking at different rates. If you need a qb to be in the system 3 years to really be effective, its likely some other aspect of the team is out of synch or lower quality due to poorer recruiting. For example, Canfield puts it together his last year, but the linebackers, a former strength, are now weak. THEN, compound with poor play calling from Langsdorf. Contrast this to UO’s system, where Darren Thomas gets up to speed quickly and can be effective in his first full year as a starter. I think good coaching and teaching is making the game simple and fast for your team, difficult for the opposition. Kelly does this at UO, Patterson at TCU. Riley conversely, makes it difficult for his young players, and therefore easy for the opposing defense in a qb’s first two years. Katz had 4 springs, 3 falls, a full season as starter, and still plays slow in Riley’s system.

      On defense, I think the coaches have got the kids over-thinking and applying the wrong techniques in pass defense. The players are not playing to their abilities or using their instincts. The UCLA TD pass was an example of that – its as if the db’s are now afraid to go after the ball, even if in position. Compound that with inexplicable coaching decisions like giving Reuben Robinson playing time despite a lack of speed or production, and the defense makes the game look difficult too.

      Its not hard to imagine a coach the caliber of Patterson, Peterson, or Mendenhall taking this same OSU squad, making the game easier and faster for them, and getting better results.

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        You make a good point, I think the offense is too much. I wonder how some true freshmen from Utah St. can light up Auburn on the road in his first game ever, but Riley’s QB’s take forever to develop and then does it really even matter if the defense can’t stop the spread anyway?

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          I think Mannion seems to be grasping things pretty well. Which is impressive when you consider the quality of pass protection and complete lack of a running game.

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            I think you are right, but I get the feeling that the playbook is being squeezed. Let athletes be athletes. If Mannion has the huge arm, why were there no deep pass plays against UCLA? I think QB’s are attracted to OSU because they make the NFL, but I am not sure that makes for that great of teams. I don’t want a NFL QB farm team, I want to see a kick ass, passionate D-1 football team!

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            I don’t know that the O-line is buying enough time to really air it out.

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          McKalk, are you in my brain today?

          But yeah, what you said happens. Astute observers are realizing that 3 years is too long to groom a QB. Too many other issues can creep up by the time that QB is ready to win. There’s no real advantage to running a complex pro offense. Ideally the advantage would be play action passing, but the Beavers never have a breakaway threat at RB so the defense doesn’t have to respect that. A pro offense also requires a great offensive line to set up the play action via run and then block for the PA pass. It’s as if the Beavers play to their weakness by running a pro offense. Also, I never see Riley use mismatches to his advantage. Watch Boise St closely and you’ll see that’s how they blow people out. They’ll force a slow LB to cover a RB, etc. Our team doesn’t do that. Question is: why???

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            Yeah Riley doesn’t take advantage of mis-matches as well as other coaches. BSU runs a fairly complex system though.

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            Pro style offenses are so dependent on a high quality offensive line that when you don’t have that, it becomes impotent. I was listening to a SEC radio show today and someone pointed out that Alabama is not running any play action yet because their offensive has not jelled. Kind of illustrates the futility of what Langsdork and Riley are trying to do!

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    I hate to take away from the current conversation but this Gavin Andrews guy looks legit. Check out his film if you haven’t. Either the teams he is playing against are crummy or he is underrated at 3 stars. He manhandles everyone. He should make for a great tackle.

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      He’s great.
      I think he’ll be a Beav (if the losses don’t scare him off).

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        If we land this Grant Bays kid we will have some solid building blocks… of course nobody (myself included) wants to wait 3 years to be good again. I am still a little concerned about finding a decent DT.

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          Fred Thompson will be great.

          But, we need more. I think Issac should be moved to DT. He’s better on the OL, but the team needs him on defense.

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            yeah Fred looks legit. Hopefully he stays healthy. Perhaps what would work best next to Fred though is an athletic DT. Wonder if Glover can get his grades up for next year?

            The team needs guys on the O-line and D-line so I imagine Isaac play OG where he will likely have the best shot at playing pro.

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      Andrews is more than legit. His tape sells him short. Whole defensive schemes are scrapped to isolate and marginalize him and him alone. Although Granite Bay didn’t play the two best teams in their division (CIF I-IV, San Joaquin Section… Grant, Folom), they played in the toughest section in Cali last year.

      He is underrated by the pay sites because they require combines and crap like that for their “analysis” of players. But he was hurt in wrestling, and he missed all those combines and camps. But make no mistake, he is an elite OT prospect according to many of the coaches he has to play against. He has absolutely incredible strength, size, hands, feet and determination. That tape shows you his run blocking. This one will show you his pass block skills.

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    I see Lucky & crew finally brought up the PO purepigskin board but for some reason they don’t have the recruiting board back up yet.

    Hummm I wonder why? 🙂 I went over to see if the folks over there were reassuring themselves that stars don’t matter. LOL

    Not that I’m pleased about kids already dropping OSU. In fact I’m pissed but I have to resign myself to OSU being piss poor at recruiting until Riley and crew are gone.

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      Did someone besides Espitia switch?

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        I thought there were two but I may be mistaken. The way the season is going I won’t be surprised if more bail.

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    Don’t get me wrong losing Espitia sucks because you never want the bad publicity of losing a recruit but at the same time the guy is a tweener. Not big enough to play H-Back and not an athletic receiver. I mean his peak projection is probably that of a Morales or Adeniji. Great players but not the kind of player that makes or breaks a team.

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      Espitia sucks. I think he was going to play LB for the Beavs. I’m tired of position changes/conversions. That’s part of the reason these guys look so unsure.

      Skotte sucks, too. He’s going to be the next Robinson/Pankey if Desmond Collins isn’t already that guy.

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        I don’t see what you’re seeing in Skotte. Unlike Robinson, he’s aggressive. Well, Unlike Robinson, a scrub jay is aggressive. So that doesn’t help anyone. Unlike Pankey, Skotte can shed tackles. He doesn’t get handled, and he plays downhill. And even unlike Kristick, he plays with control and fundamentally sound technique.

        Since I haven’t seen his coverage skills, I’ll say that at worst he’s Feti Unga with a little more talent.

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      I think he’d have made a decent h-back, but I don’t think he’s really going to be missed. Nor do I think he’s going to be an impact player at CAL.

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    Not that OSU needs to be dirty or get into head games, but I really think somebody needs to be willing to hit Burfict hard and legally whenever they get the chance:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/21/sports/la-sp-0922-vontaze-burfict-20110922

    OSU’s standard passiveness will not make them competitive in this game.

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      Ahhh… time to run the fly sweep with Anderson and York just so they can get a running start at Burfict on the edge. How out of control do you think he gets if he takes a couple shots like that early?

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        And I’m not saying give them the ball. Like James did against USC in 2008, the fly sweep can be used to put a blocker on the edge in a hurry. Just make that blocker a FB instead of a WR.

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          Spot on, Jack. And to expand on ObjC’s point that “SOMEBODY needs … to hit Burfict hard and legally whenever they GET THE CHANCE”. I submit that a smart coach would have a specific “somebody” or two and would create the scheme to see that they “get the chance”. Much like you have outlined.

          Ah, but thats a smart coach, IMO.

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      Riley, in the Oregonian, said Burfict was being “playful” when he head-butted Katz last year.

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        do you disagree?

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          I can only assume that “playfulness” was not implicit in Burfict’s being benched for the next game; personally, I don’t know. Riley then went on about what a terrific player Burfict is. After the Sac St game, in the postgame interview, Riley spent some time praising the SS quarterback. He tends to do to that about opposing teams/players. I think even faint praise in the media for his own players, assuming they access it, might encourage them.

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    I’m getting tired of this “blame the youth of the team” mentality. The youth who play are doing well. The “mistakes” which kill us are being committed by juniors and seniors. Why are we constantly waiting for NCAA eligibility rules to make our team better?

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      When “blame the youth of the team” is the only excuse you have it’s better than nothing. Especially when you’re talking to the faithful and trying to cover your arse.

      Don’t question, just accept the word. That’s what faith is isn’t it? Oh and if you do question “the word” you’re an agent of the devil.

      I think I’m seeing a pattern here.

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    More meekness from Riley in OregonLive:

    “Illinois sacked Osweiler six times in a 17-14 win over ASU on Sept. 17, but that doesn’t mean OSU will tee off in the same fashion. “They covered really well to allow those sacks to take place,” said Riley. … OSU’s secondary hasn’t been good (ranking 119th out of 120 FBS teams), and the Beavers’ DBs will have their hands full vs. ASU WRs Aaron Pflugrad, Gerell Robinson, and Jamal Miles.”

    Implicit in that paragraph, or at least the way its presented is “We won’t cover well to get those sacks.” Which is a loser’s attitude. Turn Wynn loose, and let Mitchell and Poyer at least play with some abandon based on their experience.

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    Angry – I was watching other CFB games last weekend. I was really impressed with the OkSU-TAMU game. Ok St really played terrific. Suffocating defense, resilient offense. And I liked their new unis. I wished I was watching a different OSU during the game.

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    ean: I’ve remembered who the other kid was that I was thinking of. Thomas Tyner

    Not a formal commit because he’s still has a year to go but he had said publicly that he wanted to be a Beav.

    Now he’s a strong Duck lean and that’s happened since they started playing. Fricking bummer.

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      who knows.. guys that good tend to get cash offers late in the game.

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      It is still Waaaaay too early to tell. A lot can happen in between. Such as NCAA sanctions for the team down south, OSU starting a mens track program, OSU hiring a new offensive genius/guru as Offensive Coordinator. He could play immediately at OSU. Team down south, maybe not? Plus, is Chip going to last the NCAA violations? There are too many questions at this point.
      But, the way OSU is playing probably doesn’t help with any recruits, blue chip or not.

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        It’s my understanding that Tyner was at the Sac State game so I wouldn’t be surprised if that turned him off so much that if the ‘ucks get whacked he’ll go somewhere else rather than OSU. Anywhere except OSU.

        Imo we have Riley to blame for the team performance and for the weak recruiting.

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    How our Beavers in the NFL performed on Sunday:

    Derek Anderson, QB (Carolina Panthers) – Anderson did not play in Carolina’s 16-10 victory over Jacksonville.

    Nick Barnett, LB (Buffalo Bills) – Barnett made 11 tackles – six solo – as Buffalo snapped a 15-game losing streak with a 34-31 win over New England. Buffalo became the first team to win consecutive games in which it trailed by at least 18 points. On the year, he has made 29 tackles with one pass deflection and one forced fumble.

    Brandon Browner, CB (Seattle Seahawks) – Browner made three tackles in Seattle’s 13-10 win over Arizona. He has started all three games this season and has made 14 tackles – 11 solo – for the Seahawks.

    Victor Butler. LB (Dallas Cowboys) – Butler recorded a sack in Dallas’ 18-16 win over Washington on Monday night. He has two tackles and a sack on the year.

    Sean Canfield, QB (New Orleans Saints) – Canfield is currently on New Orleans’ practice squad.

    Kyle DeVan (Philadelphia Eagles) – DeVan started in Philadelphia’s 19-16 loss to the New York Giants. He has started in all three games this season.

    James Dockery, CB (Cleveland Browns) – Dockery played but did not record a statistic in the Browns’ 17-16 win over Miami. He has appeared in all three games this season.

    Dwan Edwards, DT (Buffalo Bills) – Edwards made seven tackles in Buffalo’s 34-31 comeback win over New England, snapping a 15-game losing streak to the Patriots. He has 10 tackles on the year.

    Brandon Hughes, DB (Philadelphia Eagles) – Hughes did not play in Philadelphia’s 29-16 loss to the New York Giants. He has four tackles on the year.

    Steven Jackson, RB (St. Louis Rams) – Jackson carried the ball four times for 23 yards in St. Louis’ 37-7 loss to Baltimore. He has six carries for 79 yards and one touchdown on the year.

    Andy Levitre, OG (Buffalo Bills) – Levitre started in Buffalo’s 34-31 win over New England. Bills’ running back Fred Jackson rushed for 74 yards and one touchdown in the win. Levitre has started all three games in 2011.

    Keenan Lewis, DB (Pittsburgh Steelers) – Lewis made five tackles in Pittsburgh’s 23-20 defeat of Indianapolis. He has 10 tackles on the season and has played in all three games, starting one.

    Adam Koets, OT (New York Giants) – Koets is currently on the Giants’ reserve/physically unable to perform (PUP) list.

    Gabe Miller, DE (Kansas City Chiefs) – Miller is currently on Kansas City’s injured reserve.

    Matt Moore, QB (Miami Dolphins) – Moore did not play in Miami’s 17-16 loss to Cleveland.

    Chad Ochocinco, WR (New England Patriots) – Ochocinco caught two passes for 28 yards in New England’s 34-31 loss to Buffalo. He has five receptions for 87 yards on the season.

    Stephen Paea, DT (Chicago Bears) – Paea did not play in Chicago’s 27-17 loss to Green Bay.

    Sabby Piscitelli, DB (Kansas City Chiefs) – Piscitelli made three tackles in Kansas City’s 20-17 loss to San Diego. He has 15 tackles on the year, including 12 solo.

    Jacquizz Rodgers. RB (Atlanta Falcons) – Rodgers carried the ball two times for 7 yards in Atlanta’s 16-13 loss to Tampa Bay. On the year, he has rushed for 24 yards on seven carries and has caught three passes for 33 yards.

    Roy Schuening, OG (Oakland Raiders) – Schuening is on Oakland’s injured reserve.

    Sammie Stroughter, WR (Tampa Bay Buccaneers) – Stroughter did not play in Tampa Bay’s 16-13 win over Atlanta. He has returned one kickoff for 78 yards this season.

    I’m a Bills fan so their recent success has been extra nice with 3 Beavers on their roster.

    • progressivebeav says:
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      Just link to the page on the OSU Beavers site instead of spamming us with copied content. 🙂

    • OSU4Life says:
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      Thanks Jasonthebeaver!

      It is great to see former OSU players having success in the NFL, especially since our football team isn’t currently having any success whatsoever!

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    Watched the ASU-USC game last night. ASU looked pretty dang good. Playcalling was infinitely better than the Beavers. I saw plenty of screens and run after catches where they were able to find running lanes all over. The screens is what I missed most. I am not sure we ran one last week. They were breaking them for 10-12 yards frequently. Then the run game worked far better off these packages then it does for Riley and Langsdork. They either do delayed draws or they would hit the gaps in the line with a full pile of steam and force 5-7 yards off quick burst strikes. It was very agressive.

    Riley’s offenses almost seem to apologize if they start working. This was a different animal. Confidence, aggression, pride, swagger, determination. Man I wish we played like that. Dennis Erickson doesn’t have every year strike gold but he does get frequent enough years where it is clicking and the team fights harder and has those great years. To me this is looking like another special year for Erickson. The team is motivated and having fun winning. I think they will represent the South in the PAC championship and play that game pretty close.

    In our better years we typically were holding on for wins for dear life. Erickson’s teams are far more likely to cap off a win right where it is far more of a statement and you can celebrate taking it straight at the team. He might relax some in the last 5 minutes but they aren’t playing footsy trying to hold on to a win like Riley typically does. I expect we get hammered by 20 points.

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    Ok here comes Phil again:

    OSU has won 3 in a row SU but the Away Dog has covered all 3. Last Time Here (‘09) was the 1st OSU win in Tempe in 17 tries. Both teams are in their preferred technical roles as ASU has
    gone 8-0-1 ATS at home vs conf foes including last week vs USC as they pulled ahead in the P12 South battle with a 43-22 win (+4 TO’s). OSU has gone 9-2 ATS as a dog away from home but is still searching for their 1st win of the season as they dropped a home meeting vs UCLA last week despite yardage (375-357) and first down (22-17) edges. Last year OSU led by 10 but allowed a late TD after a blocked punt in the 31-28 victory (-3’). OSU does have just 12 returning starters but won on the road at Arizona with a 1st year starting QB last year and appears to be in
    a similar situation here with rFr Mannion getting the call. With that being said, the home team is on an 18-5-1 ATS run and the favorite has covered 5 of the L/8 allowing us to side with the Sun Devils here.
    ARIZONA ST 35 OREGON ST 18

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    Grant Bays is down to us and Boise, who he visits this weekend.

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      Great.

      So he’ll see BSU win decisively and when he checks the scores saturday night he’ll see ASU 45 OSU 10.

      That’ll make it a pretty hard decision.

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    I love how our defense is 2nd worst of all 120 FBS teams but Riley keeps selling us that this is a great coaching staff and there are no issues besides ‘young guys.’ Its pretty pathetic. You aren’t ranked 119th out of 120 FBS teams in pass efficiency defense and #3 on the coach hot seat list for a job well done. You are there when you are sucking it up at a tremendous and consistently awful level. Next to no accountability and his meekness reeks of zero confidence. I could care less what he says about ‘we will try to put a few more things together this week.’ The guy has such a defeatist attitude he doesn’t deserve to be coaching this team anymore. Have some confidence in what you can coach your guys to do. You have enough athletes to win games.

    But pretty much it is next to impossible to win when you are 2nd worst in pass efficiency defense and teams make third and long on you at a seeming 80-85% clip. Banker sucks. Our DB ‘technique’ is worst in FBS. Get rid of the clowns who are teaching this nonsense and since these guys are extensions of you, then man up and if you can’t get any results then step away with some grace while you have any left. I would say 42-10 is a possible final score. I don’t think we get more than 14. I think I am ready for Locey to finish off the season as interim head coach after Riley is shamefully exposed for being so inferior to inspiring confidence, fight and a winning attitude in his teams in comparison to Erickson this Saturday.

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    This ASU-OSU game is gonna suck. I think the offense will make some plays and put up about 21 points on the board, but I also think ASU has 550+ yards of total offense and the game is over in the first half. ASU wins 49-21 and that’s with calling off the dogs in the fourth.

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      I don’t know? 21 points, that’s assuming OSU doesn’t kick any field goals! Only 1 offensive touchdown vs UCLA!!! I think ASU has a better defense than UCLA. I’d say 55-20 two touchdowns, and two field goals. I’m half way kidding, and I hope I’m wrong, but reality says we both will be right.

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        Well, the offense will be better and I think the ASU’s defense will not be as aggressive in the second half when they have a huge lead. I think the Beavers score 7 in the first half and 14 in the second half against an ASU D that’s a little more passive.

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    http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/26546/video-riley-on-the-hot-seat

    Spirited debate going on with other Pac-12 fans in the comments section, should anyone care to throw down in a debate. Everybody else’s fans think we’re crazy for wanting better.

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      Yep, we are all crazy for throwing MR under the bus..

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        Did you listen to the answer? He makes some great points.

        Mike Riley is still a good head coach. We’re not a rich program and we can’t afford to do better, particularly when you look at the $7 million buyout. That’s an astronomical number for a program like OS, which is barely making the rent payments every month and doesn’t have a multi-million $ donor. Just for the sake of argument, let’s say he retired tomorrow and gave up that buyout money…who do we get? Who can we afford who would come to Corvallis? No ‘name’ coach will come here for the paltry $1 million we pay Mike Riley. Unless you want to cut a check for $20 million ($7 million buyout and a $2-3 million a year for a 4-5 year contract for somebody better) we’re stuck with him.

        On the other hand, Langsdorf should be fired and I think he will be, or at least re-shuffled to QB coach or something like that. And fortunately, since Mike Riley IS still a good coach, a move like that could be what we need to move the program forward.

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          You put forth a great argument justifying Bob D being fired tomorrow.

          How much is OSU supposed to be getting from this new TV contract? Isn’t it millions? Couldn’t some of that be used for a new coach’s salary?

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        I hate the “He has done more with less” argument. He’s done more with less by choice. When you recruit poorly you have no choice but to “do more with less”. He brings up the wins in years prior but that has nothing to do with the embarrassment of this year. He’s lost 7 of 8 games and the only three good teams his team has played in that time, his team hasn’t even been all that competitive with. In the 7 losses they’ve been outscored 214-95. They’ve lost twice to some really bad UCLA teams, once to Sacramento St, once to a Cougars team that hadn’t won out of the state of Washington in 4 years, once to Washington and were destroyed by Wisconsin and Stanford and Oregon beat them in a third straight Civil War by 17. It’s not that his team has lost 7 of 8 times, they’ve been embarrassed in these losses. Inexcusable.

        Mike Riley is likely to be the only coach that can go from winning 8 or 9 games consistently over a few years to not making a bowl game to then going winless and still can keep his job. That’s the sad reality, unfortunately. I could maybe see him gone in a year or two but that’s as soon as it will happen.

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          We recruit poorly because we don’t have the money to spend on recruiting.

          Don’t like it? Cut a check. $7 million is the number. Or, I hear you can buy a player for the cost of an apartment in Eugene and maybe a big screen TV and a used car.

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            Perhaps it is all about money but I get the impression OS doesn’t look very hard.

            I’ve wondered about a Montana State player – Elvis Akpla – Lincoln High School, Portland – state long and triple jump champion – redshirted at Oregon. Doing rather well at WR for the Bobcats this year. An in-stater, does anyone know if OS tried to recruit him out of high school or when he decided to leave UO? BTW, couldn’t have been academics, he’s majoring in cell biology.

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            a lot of local guys get offered preferred walk on spots.

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          Riley makes 1.5 million a year. Ted conveniently underreported that. He also ignores that the pass defense has been rated among the very worst in college football the last 2 years and that no adjustments or improvement have been seen there. 118 teams out of 120 do it better than us. Only one worse.

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            Ted basically laughed at me a couple of years ago when I pointed out that Riley’s slow starts were not cute and he should be held accountable. Ted’s a cocky ass.

        • Billy says:
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          BeavBelieve, keep in mind(according to brownale) there is no such thing as an embarrassing loss no matter how lopsided the score or how lowly the other team(Sac St) may be. Humiliation concerning Beaver sports is nonexistant.

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            Stagnation and regression are what we are talking about go ask Ron McBride, Rick Minter, Dave Wannsedt, Ralph Freigden and Jeff Bower about that. Only problem in Corvallis is that Bobby D. had the foresight to annoint Mike Riley as the “Joe Pa of the West” without any merit, so the program is stuck with an outrageous buyout.

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      “…Everybody else’s fans think we’re crazy for wanting better….”

      Now if I was the fan of another Pac school and I saw the direction OSU was headed (cellar) I’d be questioning why they’d want to make a coaching change too.

      Seriously – If Riley is that highly thought of MAYBE some AD will hire him away from the Beavs. Here’s hoping.

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        Exactly, didn’t Cal and Stanford both have 1-10 seasons in the last decade? I know Arizona had some awful seasons recently. What about the Huskies….0-12? I guess those fans would love to have those head coaches back, right? It just pisses me off that because of past history which is now pushing 15 years ago, we are supposed to bow down before Riley and just take it up the… Look, I am all for giving Riley next season to figure this thing out, but ultimately if you are coaching BCS D-1 school the final grade is in the win/loss record.

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    Anyone know if the AZST/OSU game will be televised? Can’t find anything…not a good sign.

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      It will be on Fox Sports Arizona and Fox College Sports Pacific. I won’t be able to see it.

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    Is that what an 0-3 start gets you!? Shitty cable channel with no HD or regional tv. Last year we were on FSN or VS. Now comcast 415. We are F’d.

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    The Arizona game is going to be available online on the 8th. Probably gonna be another game on Fox College Sports. This is getting annoying. When your team is horrible I guess you can’t expect for them to be on tv though.

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    I am going to keep it positive the rest of the week for the sake of the players. We do have some good young men here. I really like Malcolm Agnew. He’s a good kid. I’ll be rooting for him, James, Jordan and anyone else who shows true grit.

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      “…I am going to keep it positive the rest of the week for the sake of the players….”

      Do you really think the players read message boards like this?

      Imo if they deserve positive they get positive, otherwise they get what they deserve.

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        I hear you. I blame the coaches and AD the most. I have no faith in our defensive teaching or schemes. Our offense is too predictable. I do like some of the players. I always believe J Rod is giving it his best and Agnew seems like a very likeable guy who will play hard.

        Riley looks too lost in interviews though. Unless the team somehow pulls together and learns to get opposing teams off the field, it is going to be a very long season. What sucks is if Riley is so loyal if he does not get rid of Banker and Langsdorf then then AD should be getting involved. But the AD crowned Riley and Co. as fantastic coaches when if you look at the statistics we are among the worst in several categories. That is unnacceptable and a new coach will do the most good there. So Banker unless he remarkably finishes in the top half of passing defense in the nation needs to be looking for work now. In all honesty, I don’t think he finishes the year above 115th in the nation. I think Riley realizes no other sane athletic department would hire with those stats and that Banker would be very lucky to coach D2. Same thing withs Langs. He would be lucky to be working in D2 anywhere else but Riley blindly stays the course with his lackeys.

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    Vontez Burfict is a great player. In high school he was recruited by all the big programs. Problem was that academically he was a high school sophmore. According to a source at another school, Dennis Erickson was able to engage the services of an academic from BYU to provide some tutoring and clean up the transcript to make him immediately elgible at ASU. The other schools couldn’t figure out how to get him admitted to school.

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      I can’t remember the link, but there’s an article out there, that Burfict learned how to play linebacker from video games. That goes to Angry’s point again about the positve aspects of being a gamer!

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      If that’s true, and if anyone could do it, it would be DE.

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    I’d be okay with Riley demoting Langsdork and firing Banker. Then giving Riley one more year. I’d be okay with that.

    What I am hoping happens is Riley admits, to himself, that he is shot, and then he retires. I think once he realizes he’s done he will retire. He’s honorable like that and likes Corvallis, so he wouldn’t make fans suffer. If he goes 0-12 I think he might retire, though he’d probably want one more shot to turn things around with improved talent (specifically on the lines) the following year.

    My guess is that he takes over play calling in the off season but keeps Langsdork on staff as a QB coach, and then fires Banker and promotes Locey to D coordinator.

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      It seems like the staff is playing the injury card more than I ever remember in the past, which does have truth to it, but also goes to lack of depth which is the coaches responsibility. Anyway, I think the media message of injuries and youth, is the set up to reassure the gullible geriatric fan base (who aren’t exactly that riled up to begin with) and smoothly transition to next year.

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      I was with Banker for the most part until Rueben Robinson started showing up on my TV screen. His defense works if he puts good players on the field and lets them play. And I thought Newhouse could have possibly been the problem with the whole Pankey debacle. So I was willing to go with a “youth make mistakes” attitude while watching some vastly superior play on the defensive side.

      But now I see #13 playing (to use the term very, very loosely), and none of the superior talent on the field even getting a chance to make mistakes. We knew this last week when we heard the strange reports that he was getting reps with the first team. It was even laughed off by the beat writers at that time as something too unbelievable to be anything but “just getting him reps.”

      So what if we all had 20/10 foresight? We now have the chance to see if Banker has 20/20 hindsight. If he doesn’t, then I’m screaming for his head alone. I will not care about the offense until we get a DC who will not unfairly handicap his team from the outset.

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        #13 is an issue as was Pankey, #28, etc. Even Henry is an issue. We don’t talk about it much, but Wynn should be playing over Henry.

        Personnel/evaluation isn’t the only issue. The horrible DB technique and vanilla schemes make life easy for opponents. What was our last safety/cornerback blitz? I can’t remember one…EVER. How about a LB blitz? Maybe one per year? It is so passive and reactionary. It’s a very bad scheme, and he needs to go ASAP.

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          I can remember Hardin blitzing last year and missing a wide-open sack on the QB…

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          What puzzles me is that Banker obviously had a little run there with a nice pool of talent that actually made it to the NFL, so is it a drop in talent level or scheme? I think the college game is starting to pass these guys by and they would be better suited to the NFL if they are still going to coach. Banker is on a three year trend of regression and Riley has yet to address anything. You have to do something well and Banker’s defenses don’t do anything well anymore.

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            I think a lot of it comes down to talent. OSU hasn’t owned the LOS in a while. You cannot win a football game without stopping the run. So we sell out to stop the run and we don’t have the DB’s to play man coverage. We either need DB’s that can play man coverage or we need a D-line that can stop the run without stacking 8 in the box…. ideally both. Personally I think the college game is a talent driven game scheme is not as big of a deal as having the best players. In the NFL there is so much parity it comes down to QB play and coaching with the best QB’s acting as an extra coach.

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            Strongly agree that OSU’s problems start in the trenches, where we are usually overmatched. That’s largely a recruiting issue. It’s also a focus issue. Riley focuses most of his love and attention on QBs, receivers, and running backs (to run his complex pro-style offense). Riley delegates the rest to his staff. That’s not working out — to say the least.

            The person in charge of OSU football needs to focus, big-time, on winning the line of scrimmage (offense and defense). Not clear that Riley is willing to do that. If Riley won’t, we need to find someone who will.

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            when you look at who they are recruiting it seems like there is a renewed effort to reinforce the trenches… of course that is 2 or 3 years off. Not sure if fans will have the patience or if it is even worth waiting for or not. I am also curious about a couple of DT’s that committed but went the JC route.

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            Interesting notes on Tomasi Molesi and Happy Iona.

            We all know that Molesi went to Western Arizona. And by all accounts he is doing well as a DT. But the interesting part is that Happy Iona went to Hinds Community College and was seemingly gone from the picture. But this summer Iona transferred… to Arizona Western… where he now plays alongside Tomasi Molesi… and is doing well in his own right.

            Could the two of them playing together at a JUCO where our line coaches have good relationships mean something?

            I guess it’s wait and see for that one.

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            Yes, the lines show the biggest talent deficiency. Part of that is evaluation. I think some of it is hubris—Riley got in the mindset that Cav could turn anyone into a good lineman. DT is the most difficult position to recruit simply due to a lack of supply. This is why Issac should play DT, even though he’d be a better guard. The team needs a good DT more than a great OG.

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            It’s been mentioned before, you can’t run a pro-style offense without a versatile and talented O-line. That is why so many schools go to other schemes. I don’t get the unimaginative defenses because the pros are trying all kinds of different things to get to the QB or confuse the QB. That has to be on Banker to some degree.

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            Osu ideally should run option and 335(dont need big dts/lbs).

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    Here’s the link (hope it works). He always played from the perspective of a middle linebacker, lol!

    http://mobile.latimes.com/p.p?a=rp&postId=882313&m=b&sessionToken=&postUserId=7&pageNumber=3

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      The source was not Kiffen but please read his quote carefully about Vontaze (sorry I got his name wrong…and his eligibility)

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    I am not sure bring LaGrone back is a good thing:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2011/09/oregon_state_tuesday_practice.html

    Kudos to him for trying, but if he’s got a recurring knee problem, is out of football shape, and hasn’t worked with his teammates, and already left the team once, why use a scholarship on him?

    I just see him getting on the field and the staff using the “they haven’t worked together” excuse when nobody seems to know what their assignments are.

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    From the G-T:

    “For the eighth consecutive season the Beavers failed to reach Oct. 1 with a winning record (12-19). However, they are 37-14 in the final three months of the season starting in 2004.”

    Read more: http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/article_e54bf3dc-e937-11e0-9295-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1ZGUlSTsw

    Eight. Straight. Seasons. And this is not a coaching issue?

    On another bad note, I expect Robinson to get lots of reps this weekend as he will be getting victimized “at home.”

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    It’d be interesting if someone charted the trend of OSU’s defense in terms of yards and points, particularly the pass d and metrics like yards, tds, int’s, p-i calls.

    I haven’t dug that deep into the numbers, but it “feels” like the trend under Riley II is to continually degrade and soften what was a respected pass defense with effective corners.

    Reporter: “Mark, your team is second to last in the country in pass deficiency, yet we keep hearing from staff and players you just need to keep doing what your doing. Is it possible your being stubborn and need to change pass defense techniques?”

    Why in the hell can’t somebody pose that simple, fair, straight up question?

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    Another thing that annoys me with the media is they seem to want to compartmentalize (is that a word?) the 0-3 start and not look at this as a continuation of a longer trend and the possible causes. I guess if the media did a good job with their analysis we wouldn’t have as much fun on Angry’s blog.

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      I just ‘unfollowed’ Buker on Twitter. Who’s next?

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        I still follow Paul Buker, because his tweets sometimes include useful links. But most of Buker’s posts are sad. Buker only occasionally fakes interest in the Beavers. More often, Buker tweets on his apparent obsessions with (1) alcohol; and (2) his much younger and more attractive female colleague, Lindsay Schnell.

        Paul — better to act your age and keep these obsessions to yourself, if you don’t mind.

        PS to Paul: enough with the “Dept of…” tweets. Stop trying to be clever. Not your thing, dude….

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    Our o-line and d-line have been deteriorating for years. The extent of the deterioration of our o-line was masked by the presence of All-American running back Jacquizz Rodgers. The extent of the deterioration of our d-line was masked by the presence of of All-American DT Stephen Paea. Problems in these areas became obvious last season. But when Rodgers and Paea departed, it became more clear just how far the decay had progressed.

    Job #1 for OSU football should be to upgrade the o-line and d-line. Perhaps that message is starting to get through. Dylan Wynn and Fred Thompson and Isaac Seumalo and Gavin Andrews are good steps in that direction. But we need to keep it up. We’ll know we have arrived when OSU starts doubling or tripling its opponents in ground yards gained (as Wisconsin and UCLA just did to us…)

  • beaverbeliver says:
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    Well we made it on someone’s top ten list. Sadly, this one is rather ominous.

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/page/bottom10110928/maryland-terrapins-earn-not-coveted-no-5-spot-bottom-10

    I think we may be on this list for a while as I do not see a win in our future anytime soon.

  • helmsley says:
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    Great post in today’s Oregonian to John Hunt’s article about the beavs –

    “I really wish local media would stop presenting the OSU party line – what have you got to lose; access to a coaching staff whose responses are as vanilla and ineffective as their play calling?”

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    For folks who are curious about defensive trends…Unfortunately, I can’t find 2003 and 2004, which were two of the best defenses Oregon State has ever fielded. They yielded 302.2 and 316.7 yards per game in total defense those years.

    Year PPG Rush Pass
    2005 33.2 108.0 298.7
    2006 22.2 110.1 223.7
    2007 23.1 70.6 235.5
    2008 25.0 131.2 180.9
    2009 26.8 114.4 235.1
    2010 26.8 179.5 228.4
    2011 30.3 163.3 210.3

    I truly don’t believe that Mark Banker is the issue. Is the defense great? Nope. They’re young and they show some promise though, in my opinion.

    Is it possible that our biggest issues are A) on the offensive side of the ball and B) We’re young and have been decimated by injuries?

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      Mark Banker has been a problem FOR YEARS. I’ve been wanting him gone for a long time. He’s taught horrible technique for a long time. He just often had some great players who masked his deficiencies. Also, when you have great pass rushers the QB doesn’t have the time to step into his throws and they aren’t accurate and sometimes is sacked and can’t get them off. Right now the defense isn’t getting a great pass rush consistently and the QB’s can make accurate throws consistently and the horrible technique is being exposed quite often.

      Banker has taught the horrible technique for many years and it only hurts the defense. The defensive back coach helps teach it too. They both need to go. He also is a horrible evaluator. I mean, how does Rueben Robinson could any significant time at all, especially when he’s being played over Michael Doctor? Doctor may not be the biggest guy but he makes place and tackles better than Robinson ever has the potential to.

      When a guy is making less talented guys over other guys who are clearly better then that is when it is time to fire him. The bad technique thing is bad enough, but when you’re not even getting the correct guys on the field you’re setting your team up to fail miserably. That is unacceptable.

      I’d like to see Locey be given the duty of defensive coordinator. He’s been a D-Coordinator for 13-14 years or so, so he has experience with that, plus he can only be an improvement over Banker.

      Riley needs to start calling the plays again. He sometimes didn’t have the greatest play calls but can anyone really be as bad as Langsdorf? The Beavers offense looked much better with Riley calling the plays and his calls made sense, unlike Langsdorf who looks like he just calls out a random play and hope it works.

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        Hmm – random play might be an improvement over the same play.

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      I think when you are 5-12 over the last 17 games and have lost to UCLA twice, WSU and Sac.St you’ve got problems everywhere.

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    If you want to ask DeCarolis a question you can post it on FB and maybe it gets answered. Reading the current list is entertaining if nothing else.

    http://www.facebook.com/OregonStateBeavers

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    From Pat Forde’s weekly CFB article.

    • Disappearing program of the month: Oregon State (14). Last year the perennially competitive Beavers lost four of their last five games to finish with their first losing season since 2005. What looked like a surprising blip on the radar screen then appears to be a trend now. Oregon State is 0-3 this season, losing at home to FCS Sacramento State and struggling UCLA. A program that successfully put its inept history in the rearview mirror for more than a decade is in danger of backsliding to the bad old days.

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    Very well stated by Pat Forde…

    “A program that successfully put its inept history in the rearview mirror for more than a decade is in danger of backsliding to the bad old days.”

    We’ve been saying this for several months now, but it’s nice to hear it from a national source.

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      Yes, well said, but sad that the local media won’t address this ‘trend”.

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    As Angry has indicated previoulsy regarding all of the Red Shirting, Gray Shirting and recruiting gambles (recruiting injured and non qualifiers), OSU is constantly spending future capital (scholarships and money) to field a team today. The Red/Gray shirting reduces available roster depth as much as 20%. At the start of training camp there were only 3 offensive tackles available, not including guys who are tasked to play multiple positions. On a 100 man roster there should be at least 6 healthy tackles to start. Perhaps in November you end up with 3 but not in August. The JC in my area started the year with 18-20 guys over 270lbs and another 10 or so above 250lbs. Size alone does not make for a good team. But it is really hard to compete when you start with little competion and depth along the front lines and all of your jc transfers are very undersized and not ready to play.

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    Back to Angry’s original post the Ducks are Apple and the Beavers are Amiga. As for coaching changes, how about a consortium of “Angry” bloggers? I have seen so much more passion for the beavers and the game here than I ever hear from the “coaches”.
    I have heard a lot about Riley bringing the program out of the abyss. But if we go 0-12, then it looks like he has brought us full circle. And the credit he gets for the Tostido’s bowl team. Maybe he put together some of the guys, but I think if he had continued as coach they would have been in the sun bowl.

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    Is there any chance we see Riley take over playcalling before off-season?

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    From Cliff’s midweek practice update:

    “Assistant coaches were frustrated with the lack of execution and attention to detail.

    “There were some rough moments, but it was overall pretty good,” coach Mike Riley said.”

    Riley’s remark contrasts with the reported frustration of assistant coaches. As Angry has pointed out, lack of attention to detail is severe shortcoming of this staff, and it starts with Riley.

    At this point in the season, this shouldn’t be occuring. Spring camp, fall camp, maybe. Game 4 when your unvictoried, no way.

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      Execution/detail were issues even when they won 9 and 10 games.

      Teams with great execution don’t have a coach who says, “it was overall pretty good”. If it was only pretty good, they keep going until it is perfect. Perfectionism is important in a coach. More than intensity etc.

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        LOL … pretty good aint gonna cut it — the rest of the season are all tough games. We will get pounded in some of them. Riley should be hopping mad about the way its gone for the first three games. The man is done. He no longer gives a shit.

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    Someone needs to kidnap Riley’s wife. Ransom would be 7 wins….

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    Angry for to replace Riley in 2012. Start the movement now.

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    There’s been a lot of talk around the internet about the Beavers maybe about going after Chris Petersen, because of the similarity in programs. Would he be a viable candidate at Oregon State, number 1, and number 2, would he even be INTERESTED in the job? Considering how much easier the schedules are to get to the BCS at Boise, would he even sniff at it? And plus, would he turn out to be another Dirk Koetter, or the answer we’re looking for (remember how well that worked out for ASU)?

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      The thing about firing Riley and grabbing a great coach like Peterson is that the risk (i.e. buying Riley out) would pay off in a year or two via BCS games.

      From Peterson’s point of view, I don’t see a single compelling reason to coach at Oregon State.

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      I don’t see Petersen even interviewing for the position. That guy has had/would have much bigger job offers than OSU. We are a small time program in a big time conference, we can’t keep up here. At least at BSU he can keep up with the competition that he plays. And you are absolutely right about the schedules that BSU plays, why give that up. He has a sweet gig at BSU and probably won’t leave until the right opportunity comes along (say Ohio St, Notre Dame, etc).

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        OSU would be a situation where Petersen could use to actually get into a NC game, whereas he can win forever at BSU and not get there. But I agree that the next step for him would surely be to a big name school. What you do if you are contemplating giving Riley the axe, is to find a Petersen on his way up. And grab Mike Leach for OC.

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          Petersen isn’t on his way up, he is already an “A-list” guy. Also, I think Petersen’s chances don’t improve much at OSU. It is easier to win all of your games at BSU. But, say he were at OSU and won all of his games but Oklahoma and a SEC team were undefeated, he would still get held out. Happened to Cincinnati a couple of years ago.

          I agree about trying to find a young guy on his way up. I wouldn’t mind that guy from Houston, the air raid would go over well with our current receiver corps. If we went for Leach, make him HC not OC.

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            He said “a peterson” not “peterson,” many somebody like Peterson that would view OSU as an upgrade.

            I think Mendenhall could see OSU as an upgrade. I think the D coordinator at Air Force could see OSU as an upgrade (though it’d probably be best to keep him at the D coordinator level).

            Angry has brought up the Air FOrce D coordinator before. I think poaching him and taking the play calling duties away from Langsdorf would equate to an additional 2 wins per season; we’d see a defense that was fundamentally sound, detailed oriented, and ready, and more diverse play calling.

            Plus, the overalll decrease in complacency would energize the program and athletes.

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            Only two additional wins?
            I see taking play calling from Langs as worth two by itself, a defense which will “FREE THE DB 4” worth another 2-3.

    • ean says:
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      Petersen would likely only take a job that is better than BSU. OSU is a lateral move at best. Plus Petersen is like Riley and seems happy at BSU. Although if Petersen were smart he would consider jumping ship now that Kellen Moore is a senior.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    What’s Mike Price up to these days?

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      Mediocrity at UTEP and (allegedly) still taking strippers to hotel rooms.

  • Gash says:
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    At least the AngryBeaver him/herself? seems to believe that Riley has lost his touch over the last two years, but I’ve been listening to Angry Beavers slamming Riley and dreaming of Erickson since he got rehired so there is some explaining to do

    We were one win away from the Rose Bowl two years in a row, and the 2009 team was only a few plays away from winning in Eugene; that was awsome game between two impressive teams. despite the BYU loss we had with the Rodgers brothers the highest national profile for an OSU football team ever. The defense in 2007 was dominating and has been solid most of that decade. and we had the second most pac-10 wins in the last decade. If everything has gone to hell in the last two years, so be it, but how do you argue, as many Angry Beavers do, that Riley never was a good coach, never was a good recruiter, and someone else in his position could certainly have done much better?

    And what the hell is all this gushing about Erickson still? He brought in his JC’s, stamped his ticket to the NFL (as Riley did) and left the cupboard half bare. Remember when Steven Jackson had to struggle to get one yard four plays out of five because we had no o-line? sounds like some comments i read today. if Erickson is successful over the next few years at ASU it will be the first time in his career that he didn’t leave a team in worse condition than when he took it over.

    • angry angry says:
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      If Erickson were still here, and I were wishing for Riley, you’d be praising Erickson and calling me an idiot for wanting Riley. You basically just love whoever the coach is, and think there is something wrong with any coach who leaves. It’s a you issue.

    • JackBeav says:
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      Are we seeing any love for Erickson here? I totally missed it. And I don’t think anyone is arguing that Riley was a good coach… and might be again once he’s forced to play the youth on this team instead of some of the mind-boggling personnel decisions we see week in and week out.

      I give the guy a lot of credit for going with Mannion instead of Katz, but I have to give him hell for being wishy-washy about it. I give him a lot of credit for bringing in better talent and changing up the coaching staff. But I have to give him hell for playing lesser talent and not going far enough with the coaching swaps. I give him a lot of credit for showing us that OSU can sustain a winning program. But I have to give him hell for not expecting it from himself, or of his team, from the outset of EVERY SINGLE SEASON.

      And I have to give the pollyannas hell for not respecting what Mike Riley has done at OSU. Instead of looking at the solid program he’s built and respecting Oregon State for being the winner we are, they whine about 28 years (which I lived through) and the inevitable darkness that would engulf a Riley-built program because it’s “Oh so fundamentally weak” for a myriad of bullshit reasons contrived out of a sense of poor expectations.

      WINNERS DON”T EXPECT TO LOSE!

      They just don’t. And if you’re not a winner, you’re a loser. It’s as simple as that. Riley is his own worst enemy in this case. He has shown that the bullshit losing expectations foisted on us by outsiders and insiders alike are just that… bullshit.

      Maybe it’s not a new coach we need. maybe it’s new fans. maybe Riley is finally tired of fighting against the losers in our fanbase and just giving them what they want. That sounds as plausible as “no good coach would come to Corvallis.” Then again, when a large segment of your fan base holds dear to the same ideals, what would you expect from any potential A-listers? Who wants to go to a school where they expect nothing?

      • angry angry says:
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        Maybe it’s not a new coach we need. maybe it’s new fans

        Haha. So true. I’ve lived everywhere in this country except the South East, and I can verify OSU has the most deadbeat fans. They expect nothing and are thrilled if they get anything.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      I don’t think we’re arguing Riley is not a good coach, but rather he’s topped out and shown us what he can do with his program (Sun Bowl). We also strongly suggest he’s become complacent with his “life-time” contract, doesn’t hold his assistants accountable, has O and D coordinators that emulate, rather than compliment, his calm, unmotivating demeanor, and that he’s unlikely to change his coordinators because his friendship with them is more important than the continued progress of the program.

      UO coach Rich Brooks was recently honored into the UO (?) hall of fame. I think he’s a good analogy to Riley; nice guy, likeable, took a program higher than it had gone in a very long time (Rose Bowl). Riley came close to the Rose Bowl twice. But the difference is, UO didn’t stagnate with Brooks; they sought continued progress and achieved it with Bellotti (who I can’t stand for a number of reasons) and Kelly. Why shouldn’t OSU seek continued progress instead of settling for a Sun Bowl?

      Riley has become demonstrably uninspired and therefore uninspiring, can’t get his teams to win early (which affects bowl seeding), and hasn’t demonstrated the willingness to proactively implement change to continue the progress he’s made. Robinson and Casey have demonstrated you CAN recruit to Corvallis. Riley and staff are currently on track for a fine recruiting class (if they don’t start bailing out over the course of this season). At the least, OSU needs some new O and D coordinators to energize the program, improve early season performance, and take advantage of the incoming talent.

  • JackBeav says:
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    There’s been a lot of talk about Riley taking over play-calling duties because Langsdorf just doesn’t get it. And he doesn’t. As much as anyone wants to blindly love their team and coaches, they can’t admit that wrong is wrong.

    So I propose a method which will save face for Langsdorf. We don’t need to demote Langsdorf and give the play-calling duties to Riley. In a stroke of genius, Langsdorf will announce that Mannion is light years ahead of any QB we’ve ever had, and he will call the plays on his own. The variation will throw all our opponents for a loop. They won’t know how to scout a frosh QB’s methods. Mannion will win out this season. Langsdorf will be hailed as a genius and get hired away.

    Problem solved.

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    Cutting and pasting from my own post above, adding to the clutter…BUT

    Angry has brought up the Air FOrce D coordinator before. I think poaching the Air Force D coordinator and taking the play calling duties away from Langsdorf would equate to an additional 2 wins per season. We’d see a defense that was fundamentally sound, detailed oriented, and ready, and more diverse offensive play calling.

    This seems like a progressive move, not reactive or over-reactive, that would the decrease the overall complacency and energize the program and athletes.

  • OStater says:
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    I don’t think we could do better than Leach. We do have to lose the loser’s mentality. I don’t think Petersen is impossibel to get. The PAC-12 is a high paid conference with exposure that is about to get premium through the 3 billion deal and PAC-12 Networks.

    With Kellen Morre leaving this would be as smart a time for Chris to consider a change as any. He seem to be more of a country boy and I honestly think he may have more interest in an OSU than he did for Stanford.

    Leach though is going to be looking at a place that is in a major conference where he can shake things up. If and when we get a new head coach it will be a great opportunity to quickly prove how good you if the record goes from say 1-11 this year and a new coach comes in and goes 8-4 he will quickly be seen as a premier coach. Even 7-5 will go pretty far after a year like this.

    I just have a lot of confidence of what Leach would do for our pysche. Our Pysche under Riley has certain inherent flaws that aren’t going away anytime soon and take atleast 8-4 to really start to be OK. 12+ years of aw shucks is more than I would wish on anyone else and I just think fans are ready for a more emboldened leader. Leach sets the high expectations and he talks about things from a national perspective. With Riley he seems to just be glad to have found a quiet little town wherfe he has maximized a long term deal with only having to provide mediocre results. He loses almost all of his big stage games. He just is not a national impact type guy at all. He is regional and happy to beat WSU or Cal.

    Leach would take a great deal of pride in winning the bigger games and restoring the pride in our fans. The problem with letting Riley have an extra year is a guy like LEach will be tied up. You have to strike rare opportunities when they present themself. If we do this on our terms teher are likely to be few impact coaches available. If you look at that hot seat site there are 5 Pac-12 coaches in the Top 10 I think. We want to be the school that gets one of the best coaches and not wait til 2 or 3 other conference schools pick first. Then we are more likely to fall in line and end up with a 5 year deal for a mediocre coach and then have to try that out and have hime for probably 4 years minimum.

    If we are going to take a risk. Do it with someone like Leach where the upside is big and where our national reputation would be instantly fixed. Instead of a sleep school with litlle national interest, the pundits would instantly have us back on the radar and wondering how good Leach’s new team will be and if they can make a BCS Bowl in his first couple years. I would say Leach and Petersen gives us the best shot to make BCS Bowls and am confident both would make Holiday and Alamo bowls with some regularity. Riley really is a Sun Bowl every 5 years at best kinda guy at this point and I don’t want to spend the next 5 years waiting for that to maybe or maybe not happen. I could easily see us not even pulling that off unless we make a bold decision and go for a leader who has higher expectations for himself and his teams.

    Our Erickson hire worked because we got a great coach when the timing was right. That is the key right there. The timing is strong to atleast reach out to Leach and there could be an outside shot at Petersen too. The PAC-12 offers a higher stage for a great coach. If Petersen does not leave in the next 2 or 3 years he probably never will. Leach though to me is what we could most use to change up the image of the program and most excite the fans that we are going to be exciting and relevant. You need a way to put Corvallis on the map and being quiet will never work. Leach would have an exciting offense and no way would he put up with the lousy DB play we have seen lately under Riley and Banker.

    He would call it out and actually fix what needs fixing instead of stubbornly pretending that being 119 out of 120 does not mean that the technique isn’t OBVIOUSLY flawed. Leach doesn’t make excuses. He would recruit strong and get kids buying in and excited to be winners and a factor in the national stage. Playing it safe has never treated OSU well. Going bold will help our image in more ways then just wins and OSU desperately needs all those things right now. We need to be talked about and not the forgotten.

  • Tyler says:
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    Read his book I love leach!

    His system.would work here too, though rain might be issue. Texas recruits!

  • OS_Beaver says:
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    New OSU writers wanted!

    Hey everyone. I am looking for a couple more people who want to share some thoughts and stories over at beaverbyte.com. During a frustrating season with less inspiration I feel as if it would be good to just open up the blog to the community. If you are a regular contributor here or follow OSU sports and would have interest in writing some content for the community then I would be glad to give some writer’s accounts out where you could publish at any time. This isn’t about any competition. I don’t have enough content to share at this time and simply would like the site to be of more value for fans to check in with along with all the other usual suspects like Angrybeavs, Oregonlive, Pure-Orange and GTconnect. 2-3 more writers who could add to the mix would make it more of an asset for everyone. So check out the site and email the address provided if interested. I would be happy to give anyone here, including Angry, a writer’s account to help keep the site going along with others we all regulary check out. Cheers!
    http://beaverbyte.com

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    Sorry I forgot to log in Angry.

  • OkStaterNOregon says:
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    I am a Corvallis local now, but moved here a few years back from Oklahoma-
    I am a huge Ok State fan…

    both schools are eerily similar.. with the big school in the state getting the glory..

    but now, you see Oklahoma State as a top 10 team!!

    They had to lose the loser mentality… it started with Les Miles as a coach… he may not have been popular, but he changed the dynamic., It can be done folks..

    I don’t know why people here have a man crush on Dennis???

    they always talk about bringing him back.. why??

    INVEST $$ in a big name, with proven success.. someone who may not be squeekee clean or a good ole boy..

    Leach would win here… Carl Pelini… etc..

    If Bob wants donors and a full stadium, you don’t do it with a “nice guy” who does not have a win going into October and does not go to bowls… that means you are in the bottom half of college football..

    bottom feeders should not get paid $1M yr as coaches

    • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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      That is where the comparisons between OKST and OSU stop though. T.Boone Pickens is what makes OKST go. Pickens is to OKST as Phil Knight is to Oregon. Oregon State doesn’t have that type of booster, which seriously handicaps the athletic department when it comes to raising funds for running after high profile coaches. Also, Corvallis is far away from Texas recruiting grounds, while OKST is in the backyard already.

      • OkStaterNOregon says:
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        but, OK State is far away from California… that is where the speed and Qb’s seem to be as of late..

        $$ and location is no excuse… Boise State, Iowa, Nebraska etc.. are far away from fertile grounds- so tired of hearing about “little old Corvallis” and its location…

        it is all about Coach and Culture- period- Get a coach who is fired up and must win to keep his job…and you will win

        Or State is OK with sucking.. they gave a coach with a losing record a 10yr contract.. now they cant get rid of him..

        • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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          The top 3 QB’s in the conferece (Luck, Thomas, Foles) are all from Texas. The next tier (Wynn, Barkley and Price in my opinion) are from Cali. Our “dual threat” is from Cali. Nebraska is a state that lives and breathes football. No shortage of donors at that school. Plus they have all of those big farm boys living all over that area. Look at their O-line compared to ours. They have the advantage in geography in the midwest. Oregon State’s biggest nearby city is Portland, voted the least masculine city in the country. Not alot of quality football recruits coming from this area.

          Chip Kelly went to Oregon because of the opportunity the school offers. They have so many more resources to work with when it comes to recruiting, plus they have the Nike flash to woo the players with. Oregon State has…..well……chainsaw sounds and a Heisman trophy.

          • OkStaterNOregon says:
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            SUH was a Portland kid…

            Nebraska’s QB– Cali

            Isn’t Oregon pulling alot of kids out of Cali?

            What does Boise State have to woo???? nothing..

            As much as Oregon State fans have man crush on Dennis , you have woh is me for Corvallis…

            Coaching and Culture!! bottom line…

  • OkStaterNOregon says:
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    If Chip K would have gone to Corvallis, he would be winning!! Look what Bob Stoops @ OU and Bo Pelini @ Nebraska did in 2 years…. with someone elses recruits… Chip K did the same thing!!

    Alumni here need to either REALLY force a change from the top down or accept the fact that Chip will get the recruits and Beavers will fall off the map..

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      You don’t understand the dynamics in my opinion. Chip K is able to get the recruits at Oregon because of the crazy spending by Phil Knight. They have been able to buy themselves a national audience and created first class facilities. And they have been willing to “bend” the rules as well.

      OS does not have a loser mentality, although this year and last year could certainly lead to that. I could certainly see how an outsider with 2 years of living here could come to that conclusion, but I don’t believe that it is an accurated assessment.

      Riley may not be the guy that will be able to take OS to the promise land, but to use Chip Kelley or Bob Stoops as an example shows your ignorance.

      • OkStaterNOregon says:
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        no ignorance here..

        more excuses for failure …

        it is simply not about recruiting…

        What players did Chip K or Bob S recruit, that they had on the NC teams? none!! they were able to coach the players they had been dealt

        excuses== facilites.. weather… location.. bla. bla bla..

        for every excuse I can give examples of teams that win… with their location, facilities, weather..whatever..

        Coaching and motivating a kid is what matters…

        • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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          Chip Kelly wasn’t “dealth” those players, he’s been with Oregon since 2007 and was responsible for recruiting most of them. He was the offensive coordinator there prior to becoming the head coach. Chip’s connections with “agents” in Texas are the common link between Oregon getting all of these high profile recruits. (Thomas, James, DA Thomas, Seastrunk, D. Williams)

          Can’t say anything about Stoops because I don’t follow Oklahoma football. You should stop talking about Oregon football for the same reason.

  • angry angry says:
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    I agree 100% with OkStater…

    Coaching and culture. I watched Justin Roper dominate while running Oregon’s offense. Justin Roper, folks.

    Talent matters to a certain degree and then it’s about maximizing that talent/putting it in position to succeed while also creating a winning culture. Not just hope for winning, but creating certainty. Jim Harbaugh is an even better example than Boise State. By using just coaching and culture, look how quickly he turned Stanford around.

    Even Sark is changing the culture in Washington. Unfortunately for them he’s a bad coach/all show, so it’ll only be semi-successful. It’s still a change for the better. Their culture has improved.

  • JackBeav says:
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    I also agree with OkStater. While I’m not a proponent of firing Riley, there is a need for fire within his staff. I said it above. Riley is only coaching to the level expected of OSU fans.

    When some dildo like Ted Miller tells us that we can’t get anyone great to coach here, we don’t need half the fan base to say, “See! Dildo says we’re a loser just like I do!” Characterizations of OSU just like dildo’s should be considered nothing less than fightin’ words.

    Weather, location, facilities… all excuses for being a loser. Money? I can get down with the argument that we couldn’t previously afford a top flight coach. But we will soon enough. Earmarks be damned! More excuses.

    I happen to love the location, weather and the OSU campus. Has anyone seen our younger, smaller sister school down here in Eugene? Removing the cemetery from campus and all the street rats from the town wouldn’t make it look much better. And their attitude is comical if you choose to bear it. But at least they have an attitude. I remember a time when they were just like us.

    • OkStaterNOregon says:
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      agreed..

      tell me what advantage Boise St has? or Iowa?

      Oregon State will be as good or as bad as the Alum / Donors allow the AD to be-
      The Civil War game in Corvallis, where Masoli raped, pillaged and pilfered the Beavers broke the back of the team and I don’t think they will recover-

      • angry angry says:
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        I think the CW for the Roses broke Riley. He handled the first one better and they did recover. Never recovered from that second one. They’re 5-17 since.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    If Chris Peterson is eyeing the PAC12 he’s not going to come to Oregon State.

    UCLA and USC have issues at head coach. Peterson doesn’t need to come to a shitty program to prove anything. He’s already on the radar and if one of the socal teams needs a new coach in the next couple of years he’ll probably end up there.

    • OkStaterNOregon says:
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      AGREED 100% Peterson will not leave Boise St for here.. would you??

      Oregon State will need to find a hungry D or O coord to hire.,.

      Carl Pelini or any number of people @ Oklahoma , Oregon etc..

  • OkStaterNOregon says:
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    Fans expect value in what they pat for tickets..donors do too..

    Do you expect much value in a $5 little caesars pizza? I don’t- it is food and a quick dinner for the family.

    If you want my donor $$ or $35 a ticket for a home game against Sac State .. you better win.. and win looking good… I don’t mind seeing a team lose… but losing to a team you should not lose to is something all together different..or losing because of horrible play calling–

    Bob D doomed the program with a 10yr contract…. donors / alum should start pooling money to buy out contracts…

    https://www.facebook.com/OregonStateBeavers

    look at the”ask the ad” column here… look at the things people are saying..

    • helmsley says:
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      Funny you would mention Sacramento State. Montana State just defeated them 31-21.

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