24.Sep.2011 Petition to Demote Danny Langsdorf & Fire Mark Banker

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We, __________ (the undersigned), believe Danny Langsdorf must be relieved of his duties (as offensive coordinator) in order for the Oregon State Football program to move forward.

Further, we believe Mark Banker should be fired. Banker teaches corner backs to play off the line of scrimmage, and encourages them to face guard and play the man rather than turn their heads to play the ball when it's in the air. This has directly lead to dozens of pass interference calls that resulted in Beaver losses. Additionally, Mark Banker does not understand how to defend spread offenses.

Finally, we believe you, Bob Decarolis, made a grave error by essentially giving Mike Riley a lifetime contract. We do not believe any coach should be locked into long contracts where complacency is allowed to set in. Thus, this petition will be sent to President Ray so he can review your performance relative to our complaints.

Each signee will have the opportunity to expound upon this petition (in the comment area below) and explain what he or she plans to do if changes are not made. I ask that you read their words carefully. Personally, I will not be donating any monies to any Beaver related cause until change is enacted, and I will continue to encourage others to do the same.

Sincerely,

Angry (and the undersigned)

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  • angry angry says:
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    -Angry

    Until change is enacted, I will not be donating to any Beaver related causes, will not take my yearly trip to Corvallis to see a game, and will encourage other fans to boycott this product.

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      me to

    • Doug says:
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      You guys are funny…..until RIley, Banker and crew got there…..THE BEAVERS NEVER WON. What was it….28 years or so with a losing record? If you are expecting Florida St, , etc, YOU LIVE IN THE WRONG STATE. Oh and by the way…Oregon is not going to win a National Championship either. These guys are good coaches and their players know it. They don’t cheat, they get players to the next level, they legitimately care about their players and families and oh and they do win with out the cream of the crop players – who very rarely want to go to OS. Be a Beaver Believer and cheer them on! Thanks Banks, Riley and Players! Go BEAVS!

  • progressivebeav says:
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    -progressivebeav

    Until changes are made, I have decided to not give my annual donation to BASF.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      Here’s my take:
      If you want to ask for the head of the coach that is fine. Ultimately, it all falls on the Head Coach, including the the Offensive and Defensive Coordinators. I don’t agree with not going to games or stopping donations to the program. Is that one way to show your dissatification? Yes, but I think it should be a last a resort. I think a more constructive way would be to put the money into a fund to buy out Riley, that speaks more in volume than just not doing anything by not going or not donating.

      The problem we have isn’t scheme, it has more to do with execution, and that failed execution falls on the talent level of the program. There is a reason we are playing 10 true freshmen and its because we don’t have the existing talent on the team. I am not impressed with our current freshmen class, they are small and their technique isn’t up to par.

      For example, fly sweep will only be successful if you have good blocking downfield by your outside wide receivers. Or, if you have enough speed to out run the pursuit. Because the play runs laterally it requires blocking downfield by wide receivers in order for the ball carrier to turn it up field for a positive gain. We are not fast enough to out run pursuit, nor are we exhibiting the vision to know when to turn up field for positive gain, and that decision is made harder by the inability to block the edge and the reason we struggle with that is we are smaller and don’t do a good job of staying on blocks. So, should the play be run? Only if we have the right personnel for it and we don’t. The coaches are not putting are guys in areas where they can succeed. That is on the coaches. The talent level is not very high on this team and that is why we are going with the Youth movement to get this guys experience.

      Again, the talent level falls directly on the coaches inability to recruit quality players. When Angry mentioned he thought Riley was “tired”, I don’t agree with his personal energy level being low, however his program is “tired”. What I mean is I think these guys were reading the press clippings on how great they are with turning average talent into all-conference players that they thought they could keep that going. The problem though is you don’t develop the depth behind some of the keys players so when you have a rash of injuries/suspensions you don’t have the ready players to step up. I have for years complained that we have not developed or won the recruiting battles for top tier OL and DL recruits including several top players in Oregon. It’s hard to crictize a program that is a win away from a BCS bowl two years in a row, but what ended up happening is that we had enough key players to “mask” the defenciancies within the program. Now we don’t have those key players we can’t mask how inept the talent level is. What is happening now is my worse nightmare and I feared it would happen.

      However, we don’t have the luxury of a program to lose support of the fans without it putting the entire program behind even more than the over top tier programs.

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        This kind of mentality lead to Wall St bailouts at taxpayers expense. It’s not the fans fault BD extended Riley for a decade. If they want us to pay for it, put a good product on the field and raise ticket prices. Bailing out this terrible decision isn’t a solution.

      • CorVegasBeav says:
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        Riley doesn’t need to be bought out. He should step away and retire. He has raked us for too much and too long already. I am DONE going to games or making any donations. I will half-heartedly watch on TV when Root decides to pick us up. The coordinators are an extention of Riley and hand picked as what he likes. They are all horrible and all need to go.

        If we have to waste some of the Pac-12 TV money and future funds for Reser to get rid of the problem then that is what we have to do. Riley will only get you more of the same or worse. I never thought much of him and since his extension he has been the WORST Div 1 coach. Period. Not even close. He and his staff have been THE WORST. We are the biggest laughingstock in college sports.

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          I agree with this. Mike Riley can see that he isnt doing right by the school, program, players and fans. He should retire. Yes, that is a huge step for him to take, but its his doing, so MAN UP….and do it.

          Before I read this thread I was of the subject post opinion….this is ridiculous. We cant match up with UCLA at home, with UCLA a bottom conference team.

          But add me to the petition.

          –rsteve503

          • Jare321 says:
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            I dont think Riley should be fired but if he doesnt fire the offensive and Defensive Coordinators then he should be fired, the sad part is he wont fire them. Hey Riley quit keeping them because there your friends and think about the team your job and the fans, and fire them before you go down with them.

        • Jare321 says:
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          Riley needs to be fired. Seriously he needs to stop worrying about his friends and think about his career and fire Banker and langsdorf, andthe Secondary coach. The sad part is he wont do this even when they finish 1-11 OSU had a nice run, but because of idiots like Banker,Langsdorf, and heyward and Rileys inabilaty to fire anyone they suck. Until Riley fires the staff or hes fired. I am not donating anything to the BASF, I canceled my Season tickets, and I am no longer buying any Oregon State parafanilia. Mike Riley shouldn’t be shocked when Reser stadium is only half full, and the only noise is the Fans booing him. I hope OSU keeps losing so then change might happen.

    • Jare321 says:
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      The sad thing is this page is useless until Riley is fired these idiots will still be here, and the fact that Riley doesn’t think they should be fired makes him the dumbest. I just hope Oregon State doesn’t hire a shitty coach to take his place. He will be fired in 2013 Gurantee it. Until then im just gonna keep marking down the Calendar. Hurry up 2013.

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  • ZackBeav says:
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    -ZackBeav

    This program continues to neglect change and I’m getting sick and tired of it. Especially when the school down south is doing what they are doing.

    • Jare321 says:
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      I cant wait wait to watch the Civil War it’ll be about 45 to nothing at half time, and then in the press confrence you’ll here Riley use some Dumb Coach Cliche like were improving week by week, or were just learning from each game trying to dodge the fact that they got there ass kicked because of poor coaching. I feel sorry for the players they play there hearts out only to be cheated by their idiot coaches.

  • BeavGirl BeavGirl says:
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  • OneEyedKing says:
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    The only play UCLA ran all game was the run up the right guard, and for four quarters we refused to adjust to it. This is the last football game I go to until something changes.

    -Chris Simpson, alumni.

  • pinger says:
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    Angry, I have been reading your comments for two years but only now am I compelled to join and ……must…sign your petition.
    Pinger

  • mashuai says:
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  • seaverbeaver says:
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    it’s like watching someone stick a round peg in a square hole. i’m boycotting games until there’s change.

    -seaverbeaver

  • Beavinhi says:
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    BeavinHI

    Piss poor product

  • Bryan says:
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    The product on the field is flat out embarrassing. Predictable play calling and zero adjustments at halftime. I am shocked that more people didn’t boo today. What is happening in Corvallis? Change needs to take place immediately before the losing skid turns into 0-12.

  • CraigBeav says:
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    CraigBeav
    Craig Miles – OSU Alumnus ’07

    If I can predict the play calls on both sides of the ball with much greater than 50% accuracy, then so can an opposing coaching staff. It is indicative of a brain-dead, unimaginative, and lazy coaching staff with no fear of being fired. Dr. Ray, I remember you telling all of us in El Paso before the Sun Bowl in 2006 how proud you were of all that the team had accomplished and how the expectations for the program were growing each year. If the administration’s expectations for the football program have grown since our 28 years of futility, it certainly has not shown it recently.

  • ChrisW12 says:
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    I will not donate 1 more cent till Langsdorf is gone. Let’s give up on learning from the last game and win!!! This program has to get some winnners until then I am done!

    • Jare321 says:
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      Oregon State needs to fire Langsdorf and go get San Diego States Offensive Coordinator. Oregon State doesn’t need to get a new offense they just need to get a new Coordinator. San Diego State runs an offense similar to OSU to bad this will never happen.

  • EDS says:
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    EDS

    The bottom line for me is that I am embarrassed to be an Oregon State fan. This football program is on the verge of becoming irrelevant. By the looks of all the empty seats in the stadium today we are not the only ones that think this. Please be proactive and do something about this failing program. I will also stop all donations and not attend any more games until something is done.

  • Gman says:
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    -Gman

    Worst play calling I’ve seen in a long time. It’s not that our team is not talented but rather the coaching staff is atrocious. Won’t be donating.

  • OStateJake says:
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  • Noah says:
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    Noah

    Eight consecutive seasons of slow starts indicates there is a coaching problem.

  • HassMakesTheCatch says:
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    -HassMakesTheCatch

    I will also boycott games and withhold BASF donations if changes aren’t made.

  • Sad Beaver says:
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    It is a terrible situation to put our young student athletes in. To have them held back by poor coaching and play calling. This has been the case for the last several years, only to be helped by stand out athletes who took it upon themselves to step out and lead, despite the poor coaching. I see the talent and the fire in the players, then see the coaches on the sideline showing no fire or emotion. I also see the signs of defeat in the same coaching staff before the game has even began. The slumped shoulders and lack of enthusiasm is a disease that we must stamp out at the source. For the future of our student athletes, I urge you to make the hard changes required to turn this program around.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    It is sad to see no improvement. It is even more depressing to be a simple fan and recognize poor play calling and poor coaching. The sad part is that some talent was talked into going to OSU to play football only to be not properly coached resulting in injuries and a defeated attitude.

    Remove the coordinators and Riley if he doesn’t do it.

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      Agree completely. I’m sad for the players, most of all. As for being a simple fan, I’m the simplest of the simple and learn by reading the analyses of the other posters to this website. However, even I think it’s odd that I see only the opposite team’s players reaching for passes.

  • Connor Pelton says:
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    If Mark Banker is not fired before November 27th, 2010, I will drop my season tickets, drop my donation to Oregon State, and not by a single article of Oregon State clothing. This is ridiculous. We deserve better!

  • Tyler says:
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    Changes need to happen.

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  • osbeavs says:
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    My frustration extends beyond Mark Banker. I believe that athletic department leadership is apathetic (see: LaVonda Wagner firing). The apathy is harmful to the point of costing the institution in a dire way. It is often shown that as athletic department profile increases so do student applications to a school. If the goal of the school is to grow to 35,000 students, this is certainly not the way. In fact, I am willing to bet that a number of prospective students will not apply because of our appalling athletic performance (absurd I know, but a harsh reality).

    Regarding actual game performance, I believe that the coaching staff has repeatedly failed to evaluate proper talent. Often the best players sit on the bench while sub par athletes continue to play. While there are a number of examples that can be pointed out, the most outstanding is the play of Rueben Robinson. While the following will be a criticism of his play, it is an even larger criticism of the coaching staff. Inexplicably, he started today and played nearly all of the game. Now this would lead us to believe that he may in fact have more tackles than his backup (who as far as I can tell only played one series) and yet he only had 3 tackles, Michael Doctor had 4. While this may not paint the whole picture, it is clear by watching the game that his performance was brutally poor. On the other hand, Michael Doctor in his one full series late in the game made monumental changes in the course of the game. He made a few key tackles that led to UCLA attempting a 4th down conversion. Yet, confusingly their power back (Coleman) was not on the field for the 4th down attempt. If you rewind to the end of 2nd down, it is clear that Doctor hits Coleman with such force that he has to leave the field. Thus, Doctor is more than statistically significant as an individual, his performance has an impact on the entire game flow.

    My opinion has been that this kind of flawed and poor performance has been occurring for years. Had I personally performed this poorly in any endeavor in my life I would certainly have lost my job (or opportunity). The absurdity that is the “coaching” can only be explained by apathy. Thus, we have no option but to fire at the bare minimum Mark Banker and at the maximum, the entire coaching staff and Bob DeCarolis.

    In order to regain my support and donations to the athletic department I would like to see change. Further, the replacements should be coaches who focus on detail and consistency.

  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Are there any doctors in the house? Just wondering if its possible to re-transplant a donated kidney back to its donor? That might help get the ball rolling.

  • Scott Hoefer says:
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    The lack of fire and energy from the coaching staff is embarrassing. It appears obvious to me in Mike Riley interviews that he is not concerned about winning this season. Instead of being deeply troubled by a Pac-10 loss to one of the few teams we legitimately had a chance to beat this season, he is smiling about how nice it was to see James Rodgers running around out there and how special this stable of receivers has the potential to be. What about the total inability to stop the run and the inability of the offense to score touchdowns once they are in the red zone?

    Also, the Beavers are 5-12 over their last 17 games going back to the 2009 Civil War. Of those 12 losses, 2 were totally embarrassing (WSU & Sac St.), 3 were blowouts (BYU Las Vegas Bowl, Stanford, Wisconsin), 3 were inexcusable (UW, UCLA twice), and only 4 were losses I can swallow as a fan (both Civil Wars, TCU, & Boise St.).

  • beaverbeliver says:
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    This season will be a failure on a Petabonain level! Two years ago I was booking a flight to pasadena and now this. We will be 0-12. I might quit football this year!

  • silverstream055 silverstream055 says:
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    I’ve been thinking a lot about the Beavers since yesterday’s discouraging loss to UCLA.

    Mike Riley, in his post-game press conference, blamed this loss on a few key plays, such as Mannion’s fumble and interception, an out-of-bounds kickoff from Romaine, and a punt from midfield into the end zone by Hekker. If not for a few plays like that — Riley says — the Beavers would have won.

    Mike Riley is a nice guy and a good person. But his statements at the post-game press conference were mostly nonsense.

    In the first half yesterday, the Beavers had only 10 rushing yards (net). For the game, the Beavers only had 88 rushing yards (net).

    On the other side of the ball, UCLA rushed for 211 yards (net). UCLA’s longest run from scrimmage was only 14 yards, yet UCLA still averaged 4.3 yards per rush on 49 rushes (most of them without their best running back, who left the game early with an injury). Despite knowing what plays were coming, the Beavers were unable to stop UCLA’s second and third string running backs from gaining almost 5 yards a pop.

    Why did OSU lose to a weak UCLA team in a must-win game at Reser? The Beavers lost because — once again — our opponent dominated the trenches. That’s happening mostly because the Beavers up front are playing undersized and undertalented players — many of them walk-ons.

    Sure, there are other serious problems. Langsdorf’s play calling is bad and predictable. Langsdorf needs to be relieved of play-calling duties asap. Banker regularly makes bad decisions on defensive personnel and schemes — he needs to go, too. The team, as a whole, seems to lack fire and intensity. That’s on Riley, who needs to figure out some way to better motivate and prepare his teams (especially for early season games).

    But, all that being said, football games are usually won by the team that dominates the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. That’s rarely OSU. In most games, the Beavers seem overmatched in the trenches — in size, strength, speed, and skill. That’s why the Beavers are losing games (1-7 in their last 8 games) and are likely to keep losing games, no matter how many talented wide receivers Riley puts on the field.

    This all comes back to Riley. MR is a cerebral coach. His complex, pro-style offense is a labor of love that he has been tinkering with for 20+ years. His idea of “fun” is dreaming about a well-oiled Beaver passing game. He’s deeply into the art and beauty of the game, especially on offense. Each season, over time, Riley’s teams get better and better at executing his complex offense, and that’s the main reason why OSU has tended — in past years — to start off slow and improve towards the end of each year.

    But Riley has lost sight of the bigger picture. While he’s obsessing about his “beautiful” offense, and the QBs and wide receivers needed to execute it, the rest of his team and his program is heading in the wrong direction.

    OSU needs to get back to basics, and figure out how to win the wars in the trenches. That requires recruiting bigger, tougher, faster, and more skilled players for the o-line and d-line. And that requires changing the program mindset from finesse to domination.

    Wouldn’t it be fun to head into games knowing that OSU’s guys, up front, were bigger, faster, and better than our opponents, and expecting OSU to dominate the line of scrimmage? How long has it been since that happened? The head coach of the Beavers needs to focus on that problem, and solve it asap. Until that happens, the Beavers are going nowhere.

    If Riley is willing to focus on this problem and solve it, that would be fine by me (since I really do like Riley as a person). But if Riley can’t or won’t do this, he needs to go, too (no matter how good a person he is…)

    Perhaps Riley should return to being an offensive coordinator, rather than a head coach. Having thought about this a lot, I suspect Riley would be happier and more successful as OC. Riley’s first love is offense, not defense (and certainly not football program administration). Let Riley run the offense, and spend all his time, energy, and knowledge creating the “well-oiled machine” he dreams about. Bring in someone else to be head coach and to run OSU’s football program — someone who can and will focus on the bigger picture, and who will do what it takes to win the wars in the trenches each week.

  • osu2008 says:
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    Yesterday was the last straw!! I’m finished going to anymore football games from now on until changes are made!

  • SalemBeav says:
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    – SalemBeav

    I have been hearing a lot about a great class coming in next year. How many of these kids are going to de-commit if the Beavers go 0 – 12? And after UCLA, who can we beat. We have been looking at the future with hope, but if we lose the 2012 recruiting class we are at the start of another win less streak. I am not as sophisticated as your average poster on this blog as to the mechanics of the game, but even I know what play they are going to call.

  • CorVegasBeav says:
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    There is nowhere near enough accountability from Riley. He is a pathetic head coach. The OC and DC were his picks and they are horrible. The longterm contract was unbelievably stupid. I am not sure we will win one game this year. I look at the schedule and I am not seeing it. Short of BCS bowls there is no reason to extend any coach for any more than 3 years max. Fans have every right to want the coordinators and head coach to be relieved of their duties. Riley runs the program like a kindergarten class. Keep learning and one day we are going to get a win guys. It may take 3 years but gee golly aw gosh darnit we are gonna get a win.

    In all seriousness I would much rather have a cute girl be the head coach if this is the pathetic best Mike Riley and his lackeys can do. The guy is paid over a million and a half a year. What he has made from the state pulling the wool over the eyes of OSU is more money than 25 people might make in a lifetime.

    To me it would be FAR MORE worth getting attention by having Sarah Underwood as our coach. recruits would want to come here. We would be getting lots of media attention and in all honesty I expect the players would be more inspired to play better football and try to win for her. Riley on the other hand is the most unispiring person I can think of in Div 1. Even if Sarah only won 1 game it would be far more enjoyable than watching Riley struggle to rarely win year and year.

    I will not be donating and am cancelling my season tickets until a new head coach is hired. That is the best way to approach this since new coordinators will still have the BIG PROBLEM of Riley. Get a new leader who has confidence, states in his interviews that he expects his team to win and starts the season in Week 1 like everyone else. He deflects the blame to the players. Its the coaches job to put the whole package together, have the players buy into it and produce a winner. Riley at this point is bringing real harm to the university. Fans, donors and alumni should not have to waste decades of their lives watching a piss poor product all so one dreadful coaching staff can get wealthy.

    This is a Pac-12 institution and we can do much better. Take De Carolis out of the hiring process. Let Ed Ray pick the new head coach.

    -signed

  • boycat says:
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    You think BDC has the cojones to make a change? Does he have the cojones to go after Mike Leach?

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  • John says:
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    It stings to say we aren’t even mediocre anymore. Change is needed, hopefully the A.D. realizes this as well.

  • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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    One more post for me… This season is coming on as ludicrous. We lose to Sac State and then to UCLA, two HOME games to win if we are just mediocre, and Riley waxes on as if its all going ok! GOOD GOD, MAN, GET UPSET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is a coach talking who HAS A LIFETIME CONTRACT and knows it…..he is smiling all the way to the bank. The AD has blundered big time, and the players, program and fans are paying the price.

    But there is no way out of this. The school hasnt the balls, or money (I dont think) to buy him out, or to fire him.

    This program is doomed. 0-12 wont be the worst of it….as that will lead to more of the same in coming years. Good players will transfer and recruits will decomit.

    Meanwhile the conference expands and the other programs will be getting better. Its doormat status for OSU, for the forseeable future. It may not be another 28 years, but its gonna be ugly.

  • OSU4Life says:
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    -OSU4Life

    Until changes are made, I have decided to not give my annual donation to BASF, or renew my season tickets for football, that my family has had for 8 consecutive seasons.
    Do something soon, before it’s another 28 years of mediocrity to abysmal losing seasons.

  • Beaver4life says:
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    Worst playcalling ever, in both sides of the ball. 5-7 was bad enough, going 0-12 is unacceptable and will lead to same for years to come. Do something now before all the recruits decommit. Banker and Langsdorf must go. This clearly falls on the coaching staff. We’re so predicatble, that even my wife knows now what plays we’ll be running every single time we have the ball. I’ll not renew my season tickets and I’ll stop my BASF donation until changes are made.

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  • Billy says:
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    Bob: the only coach deserving that you have given an extension to is Pat. Your serious judgement errors in this department must stop!! Because Mike is essentially here forever(because of you) other coaching staff changes HAVE to be made, esp. at OC. I’ve been bleeding orange and black since the late 40’s. However, I doubt I’ll be bleeding any more $$$ unless certain personnel decisions are come to pass. Happy contemplating, WMCJR

  • firebeav says:
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    -firebeav

    • Doug says:
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      I too am very embarrassed by the Riley and company approach to family atmosphere that includes losing football. The last 10 games have been very difficult to watch and attend, the next 9 could be worse. I am waiting until the season is over before looking at investing $ 3K to seats and BASF for the 2012 football season. Some changes are absolutely needed and that starts at the top…How does Boise St. do it? How about schemes both offensively and defensively that make them tough to defend or go against offensively. Hope we get one…we are still reeling in bx from the 0fer season.

  • Laffy says:
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    Terrible coaches, terrible play calling, no motivation. This all equals me canceling season tickets and not donating a dime.

  • HitechBeaver says:
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    Mike Riley and staff will not adjust to ANYTHING. They can’t grasp the concept of change and evolution while in game. This is going to go down as worse than Pettibone for God’s sake. And you Bob De Carolis, you are a pathetic athletic director, you give a lifetime contract to your buddy and this ends up to absolute SHIT… it’s common knowledge and I hope President Ray can’s your ass.

  • KC says:
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    this situation is dire. The landscape of College football is changing quickly and we’ve not adapted at all, certainly not enough to even stay competitive. Make the right changes now.

    -KC

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    Please make a change! I feel like we have lost the game before it has even started.

    osubaby

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    I’m very disappointed in Riley’s leadership of his assistants and the lack of fire or apparent frustration during the current losing habit we’re in. It’s one thing to keep a level head during turmoil, but quite another to shrug shoulders and “hope we get ’em next time.”
    The lifetime contact appears to be at the root of Riley’s complacency.
    In 2011, I reduced my BASF donation by 33% due to the coaching staff’s lack of performance as well as the ridiculous pricing of the RV lot ($2500 annually and it sits less than half full)
    Please take action now. Two consecutive losing seasons is not acceptable and it’s been a decade since our last BCS bowl. Please keep OSU football relevant.

    Jason Barker

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Riley and his staff have demonstrated an inability to learn how to: 1) win early in the season, 2) implement a defensive scheme that allows defensive backs to play the ball AND to adapt to, and effectively neutralize spread/option offenses; 3) make offensive adjustments within a timeframe that allows them to compete in, or win, games. There is a disturbing trend of all three of these factors worsening and becoming demonstrably more consistent; they are trends, not anomalies. The Civil War this year is going to be a huge embarassment for the players.I won’t be purchasing season tickets again, donating, or attending games at OSU until the coaches take responsibility for their inability to prepare their team, including:

    Riley and staff make demonstrable efforts (e.g. retreats) in the off-season to learn from other coaching staffs strategies for early season success;

    Riley either forces Banker to change the way he teaches and implements his scheme, or he removes Banker; and

    Langsdorf’s play calling responsibilities are suspended.

  • JackBeav says:
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    Ok… this is a fairly complex issue. So stay tuned.

    I disagree with all calls for Bobby D’s job, and I always have done so. He is not the coach. He does not recruit. He is under political pressure from some boosters to “lock up” a coach when it looks like someone is trying to poach said coach.

    Bobby D is viewed as one of the best administrators there is anywhere by his peers. The nuts and bolts of running an AD are much more complex than going to games and smiling whether we win or lose.

    Is there a better way to go about marketing our brand?

    Certainly.

    But we’re just now coming out of a period of penny-pinching. The focus has not yet been on style… obviously.

    So here’s what needs to happen:
    1. Riley needs to call the plays.
    2. RILEY NEEDS TO CALL THE PLAYS!!!!!!
    3. Whoever is responsible for putting #13 on the field for defense needs to leave in shame. AND that person also needs to apologize to #13 for embarrassing him so badly.
    4. Lose the angry muskrat cartoon with the dissimilar 70’s/80’s font underneath. It’s been embarrassing for years, and it will continue to be embarrassing. All I can do is fantasize about winning the lottery so I can win an audience with my school’s AD and offer up a good sum of money to just lose the angry muskrat. I mean, what the hell? Did you people just give up on the fortunate few of us who attended OSU before 1997? We kinda like Benny and our school. Many of us kinda don’t like the angry muskrat with the broken font.
    5. I can imagine a eulogy for my mother, and that would have less heartfelt sincerity than the next sentence. Lose Nike. They do nothing. They. make nothing. They suck. Oh… and they don’t have our best interest at heart… ever.
    6. Everyone who reads this… do not forgo your football gifts for all. Give directly to other causes. Give to the chemistry department to endow a chair. Give to the track team. Hell, give to our two time world champion formula SAE team. But make sure anything you send to the AD is targeted for something besides the afterthought that is football.

    Many of you know that I think football is a pretty boring sport played by many boring people. And it is. But there are moments here and there where good people do extraordinary things. I’m inspired not by wins and losses in football. I’m inspired by good play. When I watch Jordan Poyer or Dylan Wynn play I feel something more than passive observation. I felt the same on the opening kick when TZ yanked the return man down with ease. But I don’t feel that excitement when I see our coaches standing on the sideline. I saw a little bit of emotion from the head coach for once. And I think it was even genuine. But where was the rest of the staff? What business did they have calling half the plays they did on either side?

    • JackBeav says:
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      How does this relate to the petition? I’m already on record for supporting Bobby D. And I think any changes mid-season simply wreck the season. But there’s some pretty egregious play happening, and it’s not because of talent.

      Changes do need to happen. But they need to happen later (since last year is already past). We go with who we have, and we upgrade later.

      But there better be some soul-searching later. My patience does not reward laziness.

    • Billy says:
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      Comments 1 and 2—Fuckin’A!!! FUCKIN’A!!! Comment number 5–Columbia makes nicer Beaver gear and I would wager the Boyles would jump at the opportunity.

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    I agree with Jack on this. Change needs to happen, Coordinators need to go. The announcement for that should be in the Civil War post game.

    In the meantime, Riley – please take over play-calliing. My wife, sitting in the stands watching the game with very little football knowledge, said “why would you try to run up the middle on that?” on the 4th down play. Yes, why would you. Was it because in the Coach for Dummies book it says 4 and less than a yard you run up the middle?

    I love my Beavs and I’ve had a great time the last few years being able to take my family up to the games and enjoy that experience with them. But, they now are expecting to see the Beavs lose and if for no other reason than that – changes must be made. Not only is it very difficult to recruit good football players to a losing program, but it is also difficult to recruit students to come to a place where they can’t expect competitiveness.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    At a University, an employee in Riley’s position needs to demonstrate they can both learn and teach; by annually possessing the same problems (inability to win early in the season, poor pass defense techniques, inability to develop players quickly) Riley and staff have not demonstrated the ability to do effectively do both. Either Riley and staff aren’t learning how to correct their deficiencies, they cannot effectively teach what they have learned, or both.

    Riley is probably the highest, or one of the highest paid “teachers” on campus; the performance of he and his staff should not acceptable to the university. I won’t support the coaching staff’s performance by attending games, purchasing season tickets, or donating.

  • osubaby osubaby says:
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    All I have ever asked of my own children is to play with heart. My oldest daughter is not an athlete but she plays the game of soccer with heart and has fun doing it. She’s a team player and does what she must with her skill set. The coaching staff of this team lack heart and confidence. The team looks disorganized and without confidence. Football is a team sport and the whole football team is playing like individuals. I believe the coaching staff is doing a diservice to the young men on this team. We need to coach our players to thier skill set. You don’t put your child in algebra when they haven’t learned addition. The game needs to be broken and adjusted to what we have. The coaches need to get off their laurels and find a way to keep their jobs. Mr. DeCarolis you need to inspire these people we call coaches. It comes from the top down. I think you should expect the best from out athletics department heads…

  • Benny B. says:
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    No more season tickets or donations till we get another coach. Riley has never been a good choice. Just doesn’t have the fire to coach football. People laugh at him because he is such a predictable pansy. Now people laugh at us for being Beaver fans. Like said up above lose Riley, Nike , and angry beaver logo. Beaver Nation wold be a much prettier place.

  • FatDog says:
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    Riley must make significant changes to his coaching staff immediately to stop a slide back to the 1980s. Donors and recruits will be withdrawing soon.

    • Jare321 says:
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      Riley’s driving Oregon State into the Ground. Great Coaching

  • angry angry says:
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    It’s been sent to Bob D.

    He stopped responding to me recently. Not sure if it’s his health issues, or he’s just done answering critics and has checked out (like everyone in this program). If I do get a response I’ll post it.

  • Beavker says:
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    – Beavker

    I can’t wear my OS gear now in Omaha, despite the back to back CWS championships. I see Duck gear and stickers all over the place out here. How bad does it have to get? Frank Solich was FIRED at Nebraska following a 9-3 season and a trip to the Alamo Bowl.

  • CorVegasBeav says:
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    The criticism of the program from Bobby D to Riley and the horrible coordinators has all been spot on. Riley just passed Neuheisel on the Hot Seat website. That is an independent site that covers football by their own words from “Honolulu to Miami.” Riley is up to 3rd on the list and Neuheisel dropped down to 4.

    The program has serious fundamental flaws. Bobby D. deserves a lot of criticism because he went way overboard. USC had not gotten that far with Riley. Riley was pretty scared of another San Diego debacle in SoCal where they kicked him out the door once they saw he had nowhere near the ability of other NFL coaches and was losing far too often. BDC could have secured Riley with a 6-7 year deal if the yearly sum was enough. Then off that he could have maybe thought about extensions for 8-4 or better, even if that might not be best for OSU.

    Instead he went 10 years and the real kicker was the insane extension of a year for 6-6 seasons. 10 years is a long time when you have already been with someone for 9. A LONG TIME. But with that deal, which is unprecedented in its stupidity for the Las Vegas bowl blowout we had to show for it against BYU, DeCarolis crossed us into a twilight zone nightmare very quick.

    If you are a reasonable OSU fan who expects 6-6 every year and more seasons hopefully closer to 8-4 or better, you were left in a horrible position. You don’t get excited about New Mexcio bowls but you are told you better love them because once we are in a few and Riley is extended a year for each we are looking at Riley to like 2023. That is an AWFUL situation to put a fan in. That is jamming Riley down our throats and telling us not great is great and we better like it. Well fans never liked this deal unless we were winning at 8-4 or better every year because otherwise it is nuts and has no legs to stand on.

    So what happens is you now have maybe 60-70% of fans who say screw it. I CANNOT live with this until 2023 for 3 New Mexico bowls. And I am one of those fans because it is utterly ridiculous to be in this situation. That is on Bobby D. Without that damn clause the whole thing at 10 years would have been unwise but far more stomachable. Fans now have incentive to rather go 5-7 like we did last year than 6-6. Worse to have any hope for changes they almost have to hope for 0-12 or 1-11. Riley should not have been pushing the terms as much as he did either and he did say the extension of a year for every 6-6 year was his idea, but DeCarolis is the AD and NEVER should have signed off on it. Despite any other good thing he has ever done it is now beginning to be dwarfed by this egregious error in judgement.

    DeCarolis is unlikely to respond to Angry’s and fans petition because he is just as culpable as Riley and the cooridinators in the giant mess. His signing off on a ill-conceived deal created the monster and situation where fans who are not tickled pink by 6-6 have to ask themselves if they want Riley comfortable and rewarded for 6-6 so that he is likely to remain til 2023 or longer even with many losing seasons and a few 6-6 ones. Fans would tell you NO WAY and that is what we are witnessing. A situation like this almost anywhere would warrant both the AD and entire coaching staff being moved out and a fresh beginning made.

    If DeCarolis and Riley want to get real the first announcement should be Riley saying he has decided to wipe out the extension clause from the contract. I doubt it happens but it would be wise for both to do just that. Otherwise this downward spiral is going to continue to deepen. Maybe this summer both coordinators are replaced. But I doubt that is enough and I expect a decent chunk of fans will say they have had enough. It would be best to nip the contract issue in the bud now if Riley and DeCarolis want to escape this bad dream. Otherwise I am afraid their nightmare will continue.

    I say put Pat Casey in the AD role starting next year and if it hasn’t happened by then let him and Riley, if he is still here, have a man to man and at minimum get rid of that damn clause and if possible maybe knock a year or two off the deal so it is through 2017 with perhaps an extra 100,000 a year so Riley can justify it. That is what the program needs for us to have any chance of going forward from here. There is just far too much time left and Riley does not appear to have any answers. We are in Year 11 of Riley after 10+ years of ‘building’ and we are most likely a 0-12 or 1-11 team this year. You can’t justify that with excuses. Maybe in Year 1, but not Year 11.

    Fans aren’t going to do it for another 11 years simply because Riley twice goes 6-6 with a bunch of losing seasons and gets us to two New Mexico Bowls. But that is what we are looking at. And rightfully so fans are disgusted that we have a situation where a head coach stands to be rewarded with over a decade more with maybe just two seasons where he is .500 and perhaps not even a single winning season in that time. It is asinine.

    • angry angry says:
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      I agree. The lifetime contract made Bob D fair game. That was a low reward, high risk play, and he’s on the wrong end of that gamble.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Agree — any contract for reward of service should have some option where, if you start falling down on the job, as Riley &co have done, you can be LET GO. Anyone who refuses to sign such a contract is someone you dont want! Hey….bye-bye, dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. This is gonna snowball, unless drastic action is taken.

  • beavers4life says:
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    Beavers4life

  • Jare321 says:
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    I used to think that Oregon State had one of the best Coaching Staff’s in the country i was wrong. I think Riley should FIRE Mark Banker and go after Troy or Temples Defensive Coordinator, then he should FIRE Langsdorf and go after San Diego States Offensive Coordinator. The sad part is that I know Mike Riley wont do anything to change the Coaching staff. So know im not Donating any money to the School im not wearing any Oregon State Clothing or doing anything till Banker and Langsdorf are fired. Riley quit being an Idiot and fire them if not I know you will end being fired.

  • Jare321 says:
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    Oregon State just needs to fire Mike Riley because I just read an interview with him and hes not going to fire Banker or Langsdorf he’ll regret that move when hes fired. He just needs to quit being a nice guy and fire him.

  • RL Rollins says:
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    Just another example of poor coaching is the lack of time management. I can count several games over the past few years that were lost due to a total lack of time management late in winnable games. BDC and MR need to both go.

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    Incredible points. Outstanding arguments. Keep up
    the great effort.

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