04.Sep.2012 Wisconsin @ Oregon State

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This game has so many angles I'm not sure where to start. This post is a jumbled mess and stream of conscious…no editing, just uncensored initial thoughts.

Some big picture stories

  • Riley's September woes
  • Beavs historically choking in the spotlight
  • Wisconsin laying an egg vs Northern Iowa
  • Montee Ball getting hit 35 times in week 1
  • Danny O'Brien being a shell of Russell Wilson
  • Badger O-line not looking vintage
  • Beavs coming off a postponed game–good or bad?
  • Etc

I mean, how can anyone guess how all these things will play out on Saturday?

Some smaller picture thoughts:

  1. Riley will continue to underperform in September: The difficult truth is that Beavers are a soft team, both mentally and physically. They tend to harden as they take hits throughout the year, but they never start the season mentally or physically ready. Why would it be different this time? Well all know Wisconsin is vulnerable, but that assumes a Beaver team ready to take the game, and that's never been the case in big non-conference games, especially early in the season. If you think it's going to be different this time, give me good reasons.
  2. Wisconsin is not a great team. Based on what I saw, I'd say they're in the 25-30 range, a gritty, workaday bunch but nothing spectacular. The offensive line is weaker this year, the QB is half the player Rusell Wilson was, and the defense looks soft. But, they're Wisconsin and have a "brand" (or identity as Riley likes to call it). Even though the offensive linemen aren't as good, they hear over and over and Wisconsin is an O-line factory, and they buy into that and find confidence in it. What is OSU's identity? We tried "Linebacker U, West Coast" and that worked for a few years until Riley signed Pankey et al. An identity that changes yearly isn't much of an identity, and not having a pedigree to live up to doesn't exactly instill expectation or confidence in players. So, I don't know what to expect from OSU (probably a lot of pass attempts and a hodge podge defense?).
  3. The Beavs should be able to sling the ball around vs this defense. I'm confident in that. But will they be able to run the ball enough to keep the defense honest? Don't know, because I haven't seen the Beavs new O-line play a game. I think Isaac (and the return of Andrews) will bring some physicality to the line. But that still leaves three soft players who are susceptible to being pushed around, though two of them (Enger and Phillip) have great talent. Colin Kelly will be exposed once again–watch for this poor pass blocking to put Mannion on the turf.
  4. The defensive ends, specifically pass rush, are the strength of the Beav's D. The Badger staff knows this, and they'll formulate a plan to keep the ends off balance. Wisky doesn't like to pass, and when they do it's playaction or on non-passing downs, which to a degree neutralizes the Crichton and Wynn. Can't you see the D-ends bull rushing as Montee Ball runs right past them? Can't you see the ends playing on their heals on pass plays? I just think we'll be out coached and off balance. 3rd downs could be a nightmare.
  5. Beavs special teams will bite them. Field position and FGs will factor into the outcome, and the Badgers have a decisive edge.
  6. Never been a huge Montee Ball fan. I actually thought the backup, James White, looked more explosive. I could see Ball grinding OSU down for 4.5 to 5 YPC just because the DTs are so soft, and then White coming in and ripping off a big, backbreaking run. Ball had 35 touches last week, which is quite high. Not sure how that will play into this game.

These are just random thoughts, no real analysis because there's not much with which to work.

I have a strong conviction this game will come down to one major factor: Beavs being off balance on defense. When I close my eyes and picture the Wisconsin staff game planning, I can imagine methodical guys who identify OSU's weakness, and know exactly how they want to attack it. When I do the same for OSU, I imagine a haphazard mess, much like Craig Robinson's "street ball" game plans. The Beavs have had a extra time to prepare for this game. What I heard, is that Riley has been giving guys time off, lifting, and sending the team to the movies. No matter how you slice it, that is a soft, player's coach, and hence that's what we'll see on the field. The tougher team, both mentally and physically, will win the game. Yes, I can see why people love the Beavs chances in this game–their wide open passing attack should have success, no doubt. Wisconsin looked vulnerable. No doubt. I think a lot of fans are going to feel like OSU "should have won" this game come Sunday morning. There will be points left on the field, opportunities missed, etc. What people need to understand is that kind of sloppy play is highly predictable (i.e. our coach isn't detailed) and should be expected rather than viewed as a "missed opportunity" or feeling that "we were so close". The difference between being close to doing something and actually doing it come from repetition with focus on detail. At the end of the day football is about execution and toughness, and when teams are closely matched, the one that has those two traits will always win the game.

Wisconsin 31, OSU 20

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  • NCAA_viOlation NCAA_viOlation says:
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    Another story line that could have an impact Saturday is it will be a Fred Thompson memorial day. The team is supposed to be wearing something on their jerseys to remember him this season. (I read it somewhere but can’t remember if they’re wearing his initials or his #)
    Anyway, it will be an emotional start to an already big time game. This could actually benefit the Beavs and keep them focused/motivated throughout the game.

  • oneoldbeav says:
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    “… Riley has been giving guys time off, lifting, and sending the team to the movies. No matter how you slice it, that is a soft, player’s coach, and hence that’s what we’ll see on the field. ”

    Riley’s approach to the extra time off is one of my biggest concerns this week; I suspect your analysis is correct. As said before, I’d have preferred he push fundamentals and cardio conditioning, not that that would have made a huge difference at this late date but it would be a slight net plus.

    • SadBeaver says:
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      This is pretty typical for teams to do. There are only a certain number of hours that NCAA athletes are able to officially practice. I would rather have them rested, motivated and hanging out together building chemistry then sitting at the dorms or apartments getting into trouble or playing on their xboxes.

      • oneoldbeav says:
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        Points taken, but how much difference at game time will rest received last weekend make? And how much more motivated does hanging out together bring than working together? Unofficial hard cardio work should add (slightly, and certainly more than no work) to how long it will take for Beavs to look gassed on Saturday.
        If a suggestion to work unofficially on fundamentals resulted in one down-field block or one open field tackle it could be a difference maker.
        While the NCAA has rules on practice time we all know lots can be done by players amongst themselves at the “suggestion” of their coaches.

        • SadBeaver says:
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          I don’t necessarily disagree with you. Camp is long and hard though, it is an experience that is unlike almost anything else(For reference I have been through 4 DI level football camps). Even if you consider the Beavs camp “easy” you can only go that hard for so long. Bodies need some recovery and some “walking wounded”(make no mistake to play football at this level you have to be a tough kid and likely many injuries go unreported) might have benefited from a few days without the pads or hard cardio. Keep in mind school hasn’t started yet either, so I think this is were a balance needs to be struck. Its likely players did have unofficial work during the off time. Perhaps it took the form of some pick up basketball, weights, etc. I think they will be ready to play Saturday. I could be eating my words, but I think the coaches played the hand they where dealt by Issac the best they could based on the circumstances.

  • Timber2002 says:
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    This feels like the LSU game in 2004. Beavs are focused, healthy, and fired up.

    • wannabeav says:
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      yes, the exception to the rule that Angry has ably scripted. That was the one game in Riley’s career where he almost stole a big one in September. On the other hand, per Angry’s formula, that was also a game that many the Sunday after, now years after, “Oregon State should have won.”

    • ObjCritic says:
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      Exactly what I’ve been thinking….a coulda’ woulda’ shoulda’ game.

      I expect Riley to be more creative in offensive play calling, and that will help make the game more competitive for stretches – watch for fly sweeps and reverses to try and create subsequent opportunities for Woods/Agnew up the middle. OSU probably has enough of a speed advantage in Wheaton and Cooks to make that work, as long as some WR is blocking as well as James Rodgers.

      Think of Utah last year – with a QB that didn’t belong in DI ball – and try to be optimistic that Banker is going to slow down a Wisconsin run game, even one that has a less dominant O-line than last year’s Wisconsin team. Unless OSU’s DTs play out of their minds – perhaps inspired by big Fred Thompson – NO unit should be more fired up than the DTs, I just can’t see it happening.

      I think Wisconsin is going to have an advantage in that they will have had a warm-up game, and I think they know they underperformed and they’ll want to prove they underperformed. Also, don’t forget, while O’Brien is not near the QB his predecessor was, he still completed a high percentage of passes (19/24?). Not bad at all. I think Wisconsin is balanced enough to keep OSU’s D on the field for a long time,and methodically put up points. Do that against an OSU team that didn’t have a warm-up game, and I think it makes it more challenging for OSU’s offense to get rolling.

      End result: “We coulda’ had’em doggone it! Now we’ll need to build on that….”

  • Bill says:
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    The key to this game will be how the offense starts. They’ll need to get out to a hot start to force Wisconsin to rely on their new QB to win the game. Much like a few years ago when Gerheart and Luck came to town. It was 31-7 at half. I don’t see Mannion carrying the team for a comeback.

    If OSU can jump out to a 14-17 point lead in the first half, I think they’ll have enough to hang on.

    Smaller keys to the game, pretty basic stuff.
    1. Must win in the trenches just enough. I expect the run game to need around 100yds to have a shot at winning. And the dline must be able to stop Ball/White at least some of the time. Under 175yds would be good. You know they are going to get theirs.
    2. Play calling must improve over last year. We’ll see what Riley does.

    And just stuff I’d personally like to see,
    Turnovers!! Poyer jumping a route would be great.
    Hopefully we’ll see some new looks from the offense. Maybe 4 or 5 WR sets?
    No more draw plays on 1st or 2nd down! They work maybe 10% of the time.
    Mannion needs to show a quicker release.

    I’ll go with the optimist point of view – 34 – 27. Beavs

  • JD says:
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    To take from Angry’s last paragraph, I have a bad feeling that we will be talking on Sunday about how the Beavs should have won that game. I’m concerned special teams will hurt us and possibly cost us the game.

    • SadBeaver says:
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      Why is everyone so down on our special teams? Shankatopomass is gone, and punt/kickoff returns have been a pretty good play for us the last few years.

      • JD says:
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        Just to clarify, I think that our kick coverage has been very good and our return game has been above average. I’m thinking more along the lines of a missed field goal or extra point or maybe a bad snap on a punt.

        • bone says:
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          Haven’t seen a bad snap in years. We’ve seen the others too often.

          • oneoldbeav says:
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            Yes, but new long snapper this time, no game experience. Still, got to start sometime and every good snap will help with confidence. GO BEAVS!

          • JD says:
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            This will be the first game for our new long snapper.

          • bone says:
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            Whoops misread the original post. I read it as we have seen those in the misques in the past. But yes I agree we might (hopefully not) have some growing pains with the snapper, but I haven’t read or seen any negetive about the snapping game.

          • Joe_Avezzano says:
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            I seem to recall Katz or Mannion in the shotgun having a snap sail over his head into the endzone in the last year or two.

          • SadBeaver says:
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            That was against TCU a few years ago now at Cowboy Stadium… I was at that game. It was the definition of overwhelming atmosphere(pretty much a home game for TCU to boot). So Not really comparable to a home opener at Reser. I have a little apprehension, but am confident that this will not happen.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            I was there also. TCU has some good looking women!

          • SadBeaver says:
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            That was a “Would’ve Could’ve Should’ve” game for sure. I am hoping for different results this time. I think the home advantage will be key to pulling this one out. Plus I believe these kids have more fire in them. I will be looking early for some fired up defensive plays and some consistent offense then I should know how the game will go.

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            I got my $12 margarita dumped all over my foot at that game by a kid sitting in front of me, and the Dad didn’t even bother to pay for it, said he couldn’t afford it. After he came back with beers and snacks for his family I nearly blew a head gasket but didn’t want to get kicked out so early in the game.
            So instead I offered the now empty Cowboys souvenir cup to the kid which his parents thought was incredibly forgiving of me, then I spent the rest of the game “preaching” Atheism to the kid. By the time the game was over he was mercilessly drilling his parents about why they were Christian and if Jesus had been killed by hanging there would be nooses on churches instead of crosses, etc. Ahhhhhh, made the Beaver loss feel just a tad better.
            Not telling you this to insight a religious discussion, it was just my way of dealing with the lying Christian Dad. No this doesn’t mean I think all Christians are liars.
            When does the effing season start?!

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhhhahhhahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahah.

            That’s some funny shits right there.

          • wannabeav says:
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            that happened to katz again last Saturday night in Seattle.

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    Angry, I just cut and pasted this to a popular Badgers site because I thought you did as good of a job as you can with the information we have. I’ve been haunting this Badger site since last year and many of them really appreciate honest, candid, unbiased discussion of opposing teams.
    Might get some Badgers in here for the week.

    • wannabeav says:
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      curiously, Sarkisian is also fond of the “finding an identity” trope.

      • WFO WFO says:
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        Meant to post this earlier…was watching post-game of Bama/michigan and their QB was saying “Coach Saban challenged us to go out and find our identity today” .

        I was surprised to hear that coming from a coach like Saban. I figured he was more like Kelly where he assigns an identity to his team on the first day of practice.

        • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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          WFO, I think people are surprised by that because they see what they don’t like in Riley and assume a good coach does the opposite.

          • Jack says:
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            It is the opposite. Saban didn’t wait for week three or four and then say, “We’re still looking for our identity.” He challenged his kids to find it.

            NOW!!!

            What do you think would have happened if the things instilled in those players were not apparent in their first game? He and his coaching staff put several hours into making that team in his mold. I guarantee he would not hesitate to bench any one of his players were they to not rise to his explicit challenge.

            And they know it all too well.

  • Realistic fan says:
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    Scout.com says Jake Welch has left the program. Just like Braun, on the surface dosen’t look big but together it’s two developing rotation guys that really hurt the depth. I hope we stay healthy or we could be screwed.

    • SadBeaver says:
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      That is us and most other schools every year 🙂 I would argue that we are probably deeper this year than in the previous 4. Looks at RB for instance. No we don;t have Quiz, but we have 4 backs with true hard earned game experience.

    • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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      @beaverkman 04 Sep @JHuntweet @CliffGT @LindsayRae19 Jake Welch OT left team, why? Tuition?
      @CliffGT
      @beaverkman @JHuntweet @LindsayRae19 probably. He said it was an issue in August.

  • GoBeavs90 says:
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    I will stick by what a said a few weeks ago and say the Beavers win this game. Wisconsin looks worse than I thought they would be. They couldn’t run the ball worth crap against an FCS team. O-Line is an issue for them and don’t expect it to be a whole lot better for Saturday. If this game comes down to QB play, Oregon State will win. Mannion is better and I don’t think it’s close either. O’Brien is not good. He’s going to give the secondary opportunities to make plays and I think Poyer may have a pick 6 in him this Saturday. Beavers just need to avoid the turnovers which I think they will.

    I think OSU wins 34-24 and Mannion throws for 290 and 3 TD.

  • sparkyd73 says:
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    You asked for why it could be different this year on the slow start. It is in essence still pre-season so my hope springs eternal. As much as we harp on the lack of change in coaching and approach – there are actually quite a few changes that have happened in the coaching spots this year and last – RB, WR, Defensive Backs, Safety GA, LB GA, OL GA (for a bit). I really think these guys have brought some passion and a change in approach.

    I’m not holding my breath that it will all change, but I’m cautiously optimistic.

  • Grape says:
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    This extra wait for game day is just making me even more antsy and excited for the game.

  • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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    Wisconsin’s offense looked predictable on Saturday, and my memory wants to say that they ran the ball almost every first down. If they’re secondary doesn’t learn from that mistakes, Mannion will pick them apart. It should be fun either way and I’m looking forward to being there.

  • beaverbeliver says:
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    We will lose. We do not beat ranked teams in September. Hard to be optimistic when our running game is such a mystery. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      I love that this person with the name beaverbeliver always has one of the most pessimistic views. This has to be my favorite website at this point. So many things that make me laugh. Most of which (I believe) aren’t meant to be funny, but innately are. When I get some extra scratch Angry, I’ll donate. Stopped freeloading music a while back, so I guess it’s time to do the same here.

      Beaver’s 38 – Wisky 24. I don’t know why, if healthy I just feel good about his group. The ones who speak say the right things, and as a unit they seem to have busted ass in the offseason. Most of the young dudes came from winning programs, have the intrinsic motivation and “swagger” the last few squads have been lacking. My 2 cents for what it’s worth. Been wrong before, but I’m a glass half full guy.

    • hellobeavers says:
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      “I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it” should be the official quote of a Jerkoff.

  • bone says:
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    One area where I see Wisconsin’s biggest advantage is that they have played a game. They might not have game film on us, but they will be able to look at their film and see what they did wrong and make corrections.

    • oneoldbeav says:
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      Seems to me that not only is having played a game an advantage for the Badgers, but their performance in that game makes it even more so. They now have added motivation to show that they are better than their performance last Saturday.
      They are gonna want to really stomp the Beavs to show they deserve a top 15 ranking; hard to know for sure which side will be more amped up for this one. With emotions this high the first several minutes will likely see some over-reaching by some; very important for coaches to preach assignment football.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        With it being at Reser and the opener, I think OSU will come out more fired up and grab an early lead.

        • oneoldbeav says:
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          You’re right, Beavs will be more fired up, just hope they turn that to their advantage by playing within themselves and not over reaching. I’ll also be watching for early penalties.
          Really hope you are right about grabbing an early lead, anything that causes the Badgers to go to the air is to the Beavs advantage.

  • Bow Down to Washington says:
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    Husky Nation is in the house! Greetings to all beaver villagers. The mighty Huskies will be at LSU, and I want you to pay particular attention to the play of Keith Price. He may be the best overall QB in the league.
    I would like to officially invite you to come up to Seattle on Oct. 27 for the game, but hurry because tickets are going fast.
    Speaking of tickets, what is with your fans? There are over 300 tickets up for sale on Tickets Now for your Wisconsin game. Riley calls this the biggest non-conference game in school history and there are still tickets available on the OSU website besides the aftermarket sites. Your stadium only holds 45,000, and you haven’t sold it out yet? Looks like I will be coming to visit some of my beaver friends this weekend. Since you will probably be wearing that ugly orange, I will be in my black sweatshirt with the ROYAL PURPLE “W” on it. If you need tickets, go to Craig’s List, they are really cheap ($15-$20) there.

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      Thanks for the official invite, but I can’t take you seriously until you capitalize Beavers.

      • Bow Down to Washington says:
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        To get upper case you need to finish in the top half of the conference. Until then it is lower case. But nice try. You there is a logical pecking order in place.
        Huskies—cougs
        Cardinal—bears
        Trojans—bruins
        Utes—buffs
        Ducks—beavs
        both arizona schools are lower case

        • bone says:
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          Big talk from a guy who’s team has beaten OSU twice in the last decade. You couldn’t even beat us last year which is pathetic. 0-12?

        • SadBeaver says:
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          How about we just beat the huskies…. oh wait.. we did..

          How soon those silly huskies forget…

          Think the fragile Mr. Price will make it through the LSU game?

        • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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          Look at that, a husky just happened upon the site and stopped to lick his balls. Go figure.

          LSU will murder wU this weekend and the huskies will be licking their wounds Sunday.

          But as much as I hate to admit it I have to say I want those ball lickers to win just to represent.

        • WFO WFO says:
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          0-12.

          End of conversation. Thanks for stopping by.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      You must be still must be sore from last year’s loss to OSU and the recurring underachievement of the UW program: 37-71 record since 2003 sound about right?

      I guess 67K husky fans are worth less than 43K beavers fans….

    • wannabeav says:
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      Price is injury prone. Sorta like Locker was. I doubt he’ll even be suited up by the end of October when the Beavs come to town, especially since UW has no running game to keep defenses honest. Welcome to Mannion’s world (2011 version).

      • Jack says:
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        Their O-line is almost as bad as ours was last year. I’m going to have to watch their game against LSU with one hand over my eyes, only peeking out to see if the body bags are off the field yet.

    • Jack says:
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      Cool! Husky fan will be wearing our school colors mixed with his as, I can only imagine, a tribute the the better team in this millennium.

      Don’t worry. You won’t be down forever, and then you can stop needing to ask people to bow down just to hear what you have to say.

      I hope you guys have at least 2 wins when you get to see the Beavs march into Seattle for your annual loss to us. I think it would be embarrassing if we went and made it close to the eventual cellar dweller for the Pac 12 North this year. Please have your almost average team get it together enough to be 3-4 or maybe even 4-3 when we show up. It’s more fun watching you lose when you guys think you have a chance.

  • Bow Down to Washington says:
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    Sark is 1-1 against the beavs. Last year Price was hurt and he came in while injured and almost beat you. We have had 2 outstanding recruiting years and also have upgraded our coaching staff so this is a breakthrough year for the Huskies. There is a reason why coaches from Cal, Tennessee and OSU leave there and come to Washington and that is they see a winning future!

    • progressivebeav says:
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      For those who forgot this troll:
      http://angrybeavs.com/basketball/7927#comment-42656

      It’s fine. Just be funnier next time. I enjoy jokes.
      -angry

      • Bow Down to Washington says:
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        Progressive
        How is identifying yourself as a Husky and asking why you have not sold out your game trolling?

        • WFO WFO says:
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          I guess it’s not…just like that one time the huskies almost didn’t go 0-12.

          But then they did. Oops.

          0-12.

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          Because you are not a beaver fan, and clearly just trying to be annoying. Thats trolling.

    • Beavers4life says:
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      you mean upgrading by taking keith heyward off our hands? you can have him! good luck with your cornerbacks looking back to the ball in the next year or two.

    • bone says:
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      whoop! 1-2 vs Oregon state. And if we are going to put injured players. the lone victory was the first game after we had lost James Rodgers. Good Luck vs. LSU!

    • wannabeav says:
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      6-6 and 7-5 for the Huskies this year. Better than Ty, but this is not Sark’s breakout year. always next year.

    • Jack says:
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      Heh heh heh… winning future?

      Good luck making a bowl game this year. At least you guys forced us to go out and get a good DB coach.

    • Dwill03 Dwill03 says:
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      Silly Huskies. So much false hope. You guys have had 2 of the 3 slipperiest coaches in the Pac in the last 10 years with Slick Rick and Shaddy Sark (3rd of the triumvirate your missing is sneaky Pete, but he’s the Seahawk coach so your covered.) so I understand the excitement with all the false bravado being sold to you. Unfortunately for you results will be decided on the field. I’m predicting your the new UCLA, underachievers for years to come. Your used car salesman of a coach will land talent, but can’t coach himself out of a wet paper bag. Have fun with your over-priced mediocrity.

  • Beavers4life says:
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    Angry and Co.,

    The time off thing was a good thing for a multitude of reasons.

    1) It first off gave the players something to take their focus off of football, which in turn takes their mind off of the mentality of playing an FCS opponent vs. a top-15 opponent.

    2) It gave coaches an opportunity to rehash a new gameplan to know what they want to do against Wisconsin. (In the offseason, a good coach will re-evaluate each game film of the previous year and have a general idea of how they can game plan better. Not sure if Riley and company did that this summer.)

    3) Would you rather have them practice a day or two and then take the weekend off(Labor Day weekend mind you) OR take a day or two off befpore the weekend and then dedicate 6-7 days nearly in a row compared to the 1-2 days on, 1-2 days off, 5 days on?

    4) Riley wanted to prepare as a team for Wisconsin with as many HEALTHY guys as possible. Which means, he needed to start on that Friday for practices seeing how they found out the game was cancelled on Wednesday. So really, the fact that we found out a day/day and a half early of the game cancelling, that gave the players that much more time to redirect their focus onto Wisconsin.

    5) This is the biggest one IMHO because the hunger factor of having the let down of an FCS(“Guaranteed win”) to a “We have to be 100% focused on what we’re doing to win.” mentallity. As a former player, I know what the players who were/are “hurt” are going through. They are anxious to get out there and perform at a high level.

    Now, on a somewhat off topic, I feel this team has almost prepared themselves enough mentally, but we’ll see about physically.

    1) The players worked on having the right mentality after last season ended. You could almost tell that the team couldn’t wait for the next season before the Civil War even began.

    2) A lot of the players stayed behind when they had a chance to go home, but chose to work out and get better.

    3) I just have a good feeling this team is just that…a team! There will be more of an effort to protect their fellow player/brother.

    These are the reasons I feel OSU will get a win this Saturday. As long as they stay focused, play hard, play fast, play disciplined football. Then yes, we should win.

  • bone says:
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    Looks like Riley got a hold of the Wisconsin game tape, he just didn’t get it from Wisconsin.

    • WFO WFO says:
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      Dude makes a couple $mil a year and he doesn’t have a fuckin tivo?

      • JaysonL says:
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        taping the game (TV) version is not the same thing as coaches film that is usually available. Coaches film is also taped from higher to be able to see formations better, quite different then your DVR’d version.

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          Yeah… that’s why watching tape on HS DB’s is sometimes hard. The camera is usually focused on the ball and not on the downfield play.

  • Fightingbeaver says:
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    I just hope you whiners don’t use the postponed game with Nicholls State as a lame excuse if the Beavers lose Saturday. I’m sure the game would have helped with game time experience and we would have seen what our team could do against a very low ranked team, but look at the plus side.

    We had an extra week to prepare for the game, fine tuning plays and execution. We had no new injuries that I’m aware of and those with minor injuries have had time to heal.

    As far as time for for goofing around and cutting practice short. Typical Riley “nice guy” stuff. He has done this in the past, even prior to Civil War games. I believe, with two losing seasons our team and coaching staff would use any and all practice time to get in “tip top” readiness. There is no reason why Riley can’t schedule movies and other fun activities after practice is over. That’s what Dennis Erickson did, and he got together many times with the team after practice.

    31 – 17 Badgers

    • Sad Beaver says:
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      You should stop using “We” to refer to the Beavers. You are quite obviously not a Beaver(or at least stop mixing your first, second, and third person forms if you intend to impersonate a true fan). Your reading comprehension needs works as well, so I am guessing you are a Duck. Read the items above regarding the “goof around time” which really wasn’t. Maybe call it team bonding while the coaches all can game plan time. How did Dennis do at ASU? Idaho? I don’t want any part of that legacy.

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        How old are you Sad? I doubt old enough to know the good times when Dennis took us to the Fiesta Bowl. You need to grow up and face the facts. I have been a devoted Beaver fan much longer than you have been out of diapers. I am just tired of losing and losing to the Ducks. So I will say and use we any time and as much as I want. I have donated more money than you will make in your pitiful lifetime to OSu and to the football program.

        So you bad mouth me because I want a winning Beaver team………no, a Championship team. You had better think about setting your standards higher than continuing “toilet bowls”. Grow up.

        • Sad Beaver says:
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          You have some anger management issues. I simply stated my opinion that it appeared to me that:
          1) You are a troll.
          2) Your reading comprehension was not up to par(or your just didn’t bother to read the other comments in the thread you were replying to).
          3) Your writing style was all over the place.
          I want championships as well and I am quite realistic with my expectations. I expect Oregon State to get better. If they don’t I expect changes. Unless you have a major building named after you, I can assure you that you have not donated more money to OSU than I will make in my lifetime. Obviously not a math genius either. Perhaps you will entertain us with more of your dribble later. I look forward to the laugh.

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          OSu?

          Really?

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          You are a troll, pure and simple. Missing a warm up game is in fact a possible reason for not performing well the week after. And you Duck fans — talk about whining. Your announcers on the radio NEVER see a call that goes against the ducks as a good one.

          Fighting Beaver all right…..fighting anything positive. Please leave.

    • hellobeavers says:
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      There is a debate on whether it is an advantage or disadvantage to not have played a game before Wisconsin. If we lose, I’m sure some folks will make the case that we were at a disadvantage. And if we win, then I’m sure you will claim that it is only because Mike Riley & Co had so much time to prepare.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Did NOT get an extra week of practice. Use a calculator if you cant add.

  • Fightingbeaver says:
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    Oh, by the way, at 9 AM this morning there were 5 Comcast trucks doing new installs on my street. I talked to one of their techs and he said they were swamped with new orders.

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      My tailgate friend switched to Dish about a month ago only to discover this Pac-12 fiasco.

      I called Comcast to complain my rate jumping up $20 per month and they lowered it $18/month AND upgraded me to their ultra premium double secret package, which only gets me like 5 more channels but increases my internet speed. The deal is good for a year. I’m normally lukewarm on Comcast but this one time they impressed me. I suggest calling Comcast at least once a year to complain about your rates, they’ve always done something to help me out.

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        JtB… fist bump. Responded to your earlier comments. You not have seen it.. as the conversation has moved on. JB

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        ALWAYS complain about dropping a TV provider and they will almost always lower your rates and/or give you additional channel services, etc! Every year, do it! You will not be disappointed.

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    It’s pretty difficult to disagree with your bottom paragraph. the optimist in me thinks that the sac state disaster was the ultimate wake up call that inspired tangible changes to be made this fall camp (not to mention wisconsin looked pretty average against northern iowa). that doesn’t appear to be the case though. the day at the movies crap is starting to get old. wisconsin didn’t look good enough to say the beavers don’t have a chance, but unfortunately the more likely outcome is a reasonably close game in which the beavers botch big oppurtunities in the red zone, on short yardage situations, to pin a team deep in their own territory, by fumbling, etc. if the o-line and d-line both play better than expected though they’re capable of pulling it off.

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      I’m thinking the movie thing was a bonding thing scheduled long in advance in preparation for an actual game. The timing says to me that the coaches wanted the players to be together and not off doing whatever on their last free night before Friday’s walk-through and eventual pre-game rituals. If that’s the case, then the logistics would have required pre-payment for tickets. And those would have been wasted if they didn’t use them.

      Then our discussion would be about wasting money on movie tickets that go unused while dreams of building a better West Side still linger… or something like that.

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      I agree with you the Beavs will continue to botch their redzone opportunities. As a result, settling for FGs will ultimately hurt the Beavs resulting in close loss.

  • ncaa_viOlation ncaa_viOlation says:
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    Osu released their plan to reimburse Nicholls State ticket holders just now.

    ” The recent inclement weather conditions in Louisiana and neighboring states due to Hurricane Isaac prompted school officials at Oregon State University and Nicholls State University to postpone last Saturday’s college football game at Reser Stadium. Fans that possess tickets to that game have three options for those unused tickets, beginning Mon., Sept. 10:

    Use for Rescheduled Game (TBD): Fans are encouraged to hold onto their tickets until a new date has been selected. Nicholls State tickets will be valid for admission to the rescheduled game.

    Exchange Tickets: Fans can exchange their tickets for the best available seats to a Pac-12 home game (excluding Oregon) while supplies last. Exchange tickets will be assigned primarily in sections 9-10, 15-16, 111 or 121 of the stadium. An email will be sent out to ticket holders on Monday, September 10 for fans to submit requests online. Requests will also be taken by the calling the Beaver Ticket Office at 1-800-GO-BEAVS (M-F, 9:00am-5:00pm).

    1. Requests will be accepted from season ticket holders only from September 10-13. Season ticket holder requests placed before the September 13 priority deadline will be assigned in priority order.

    2. All other ticket holders can exchange their tickets beginning at 9 a.m. on September 17 until September 27 at 5 p.m. Non-season ticket holder requests will be assigned first come, first served, based on availability.

    3. Requests will only be accepted from the primary ticket account holder. Offer only applies for paid tickets.

    4. Available games include:10/6 vs. Washington St., 10/20 vs. Utah, 11/3 vs. Arizona St., and 11/17 vs. California.

    Refunds: The Beaver Ticket Office will issue refunds upon request. In the event that the game is rescheduled, fans that have their tickets refunded will be required to purchase new tickets if they wish to attend.”

  • wannabeav says:
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    that”s equitable. among other things, it should fill the house for every game. Finally, a silver lining to the Nicholls fiasco.

  • Mud&Sticks Mud&Sticks says:
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    I’m still wondering if there’s any truth to the rumor that OSU is on the hook to Nicholls St for $400K?

    OSU basketball signs Dutch big man. Info in the Forums, basketball section.

  • Bow Down to Washington says:
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    Hey there Duck fans, I know there has to be some on this site.
    Latest rumor in Seattle is that Dr. Mark Emmert, President of the NCAA, will announce the sanctions against you guys during the week prior to the mighty Husky game. Why, because he hates you and is extremely smart after being educated at one of the nation’s premiere educational universities.

    • HopefulBeav says:
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      Don’t most fan bases wait for their team to actually become relevant before they act so obnoxious? I can’t help but feel like most UW fans forgot that first part.

    • KBeav says:
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      Now that’s one thing I can root for!!

      Kenny Duck….where are you? I know you’re out there!

  • Timber! says:
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    I’m prepared to see the usual. The Beavs doing inexplicably dumb things. Over and over. Trademark Riley team sloppiness, lack of confidence/direction in players. Expect losing football and I can only be pleasantly surprised when something good happens. I can’t stand this anymore.

  • lovebeaver says:
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    GOOOOOOOOOO BEAVER’S..Someone here in the Philippines is a big fan..PLeaseeeeee win for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee…………………….

    • Jack says:
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      Decided to go back to that persona did we?

      You’ll forget to maintain your character sooner than the others. You’re just not very good at it. It’s ok. Neither are they. But at least they can keep it together for about three sentences before they fall apart.

  • capitalcause says:
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    BD2W = Douche Bag = Freakin’ loser

    • Jack says:
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      So what if he’s a Duck fan? I can still make fun of the (faux) parochial attitudes Husky fan projects. He does them well enough to pass muster. I suppose any Nikegon agitator knows their bylines by heart. My friend over on eschmuck tells me half their posters are starting shit on Dawgman on a daily basis. So why not here?

  • ncaa_viOlation ncaa_viOlation says:
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    Great day to be a beaver per twitter

  • hellobeavers says:
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    No credit given to Mike Riley for the big league move he pulled on the Wisconsin coach? He made that guy look pretty foolish.

    I can’t help but think about what the blog post from Angy would say if the roles were reversed. If Mike Riley tried to stop the Wisconsin coach from getting our film and he did so anyway, how would you guys have reacted?

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      That was pretty cool, and I’m sure Brett B. would do the same thing. It’s just gamesmanship and I have no problem with any of that happening.
      But hellobeavs, don’t come down on this blog without giving some time. You’re the first person to mention it here, doesn’t mean everyone else is covering it up because they hate Riley. Chillax.

      Now that it’s been posted on here people will respond, some will think it’s cool, some will find a negative aspect to it **cough fightingbeaver cough**.

      • Jack says:
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        I don’t think it’s the first anyone has brought it up. Is it? I think someone linked it above.

        Either way, I think nobody really cares enough to comment.

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          Brett B is the poster child for Summers Eve. The most disliked coach in the B1G by a wide margin.

  • WFO WFO says:
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    Linkage?

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    Sorry, wrong one. Here is the game film article:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/09/oregon_state_beavers_football_122.html

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      Riley is such a lameass. Yer asked if you got W game film? “NO!! OH, god we are at a huge disadvantage…..we will get whipped!” And you let your players know you got it, and are scheming like crazy.

  • Eric_Beaver says:
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    I was sitting on the toilet at work, reading the comments here on my mobile device, and found myself getting carried away. Before the Beavers have played a game, I’m finding myself more optimistic than any fan should be. Regardless of the Wisconsin outcome, the Pac-12 North looks surprisingly weak. Now that we have seen all the competition, some of those conference games that looked like losses (Cal, Stanford) don’t look so bad. If we take 1 of 2 from UCLA and Utah, we could have one loss going into the Civil War. If the ducks lose to USC, we will be playing for a right to the conference championship game…

    Writing the last sentence made me laugh out loud. It’s fun to daydream.

    • JD says:
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      I was thinking last night that the Beavs 3 toughest games will all be at home (Wiscy, Utah and the Civil War) and I felt overly optimistic about this season. Hope I feel the same way Saturday evening.

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        Remind me never to borrow your phone.

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        Yep — so far the season is looking positive for getting back into it. Most of the north looking weak, etc.

        If we show strong with Wisconsin, just play em competitively, it will still look that way. If we could beat em, could be a huge lift.

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    Question. Oregon State and Linn Benton have a partnership program. What would prevent OS from enrolling redshirts and walk-on lower division students in the partnership program so that both OS and the students can save $$$?

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    OT… it’s official. Jabari Bird to Cal. UW fan must be crying over this one. They thought Bird and Gordon would be a package deal.

    They still may be. Gordon visited Cal this weekend with Bird.

    Also hanging out with Jabari over the weekend?

    A young man with the initials LMW. I can’t wait for November to get here.

    • Bow Down to Washington says:
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      You really must live in hole somewhere in Corvallis. Bird was always a very heavy CAL lean and everyone knew it except you. By the way, did you notice that we have a commitment from a 4-star Oregon player and have left the 2-star kids for OSU!

      • WFO WFO says:
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        There were oregon kids on the roster when you went 0-12.

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          You must have scored low on reading comprehension. The topic was basketball.
          We also got Terrance Jones from Oregon, remember him?
          Who was the last Washington player that OSU got?

          • WFO WFO says:
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            Yep I scored low all right. Still went 12-0 in school tho. And that’s the opposite of 0-12.

            0-12.

            0-12.

            0-12.

          • Jack says:
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            Wow! You got Terrance Jones?

            How’d that work out for you?

            Are you going to cheer for Aaron Gordon when he either becomes a Bear or decides he wants to “Bear Down?”

            Go do some more Romar math.

  • Numbers says:
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    Got email… Kraft fight hunger Bowl tickets go on sale to general public sept 10. Pac12 team vs Navy.
    Currently per-sale to previous attendees.

  • Grape says:
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    Cavanaugh will be up in the booth Saturday, first time since 1997.

  • matt b says:
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    Oregon State likes to use gray shirts, redshirts and Mormon Missionaries. Though they are not as radical as BYU, they do tend to play mature players because they recruit so many developmental projects. When you lean heavily on redshirts, you must realize that you are basiclly committing five years of scholarship for four years of player. This puts you at a slight disadvantage to programs that can plug and play, that can cycle guys in and out more quickly. This should be evident to most business folks. In order to make up this numerical as well as financial gap, you need to recruit some jc guys every year. But these jc guys need to be plug and play. If you recruit 3-4 jc guys and then redshirt them, you exacerbate your disadvantage relative to your competition. Oregon State tends to recruit jc guys as place fillers at the end of recruiting. Big mistake since these guys are most often jc projects or borderline qualifiers. Teams like Bama and Texas do not wait until the end to find the jc guys they need or want. I believe that OS needs to rethink how it allocates scholarship resources so that every year they can bring in fresh resources that are ready to go as opposed to presenting frozen food. Last year was an anomaly where they were forced to use too many fresh resources and then ended up redshirting some jc guys.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Blake and the Beavers:

    Christ, she does a better job than most beat writers:

    http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2012/09/blake_and_the_beavers_tough_qu.html#

    p.s. – It’s so painful watching beat writers, who became writers and not television reporters for a reason, try to to do video reports.

    • Fightingbeaver says:
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      That was cool, Blake did a super job and the questions were right on. Thanks for posting interview….made my evening.

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      What great poise for such a young lady. Thanks for posting the link.

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    DISH Uplinks Pac-12 Network:
    http://beaverbyte.com

  • HopefulBeav says:
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    Man I’m so pumped for this game. I keep convincing myself we have a chance.

    • ObjCritic says:
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      “So you’re telling me there’s a chance! “

    • WFO WFO says:
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      I would feel better if they had a warmup game to get up to speed and shake out the cobwebs.

      With that said,I think you have good reason to be optimistic.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Okay, I’m sipping the kool-aid. I think the Beavs have a chance to actually win this Saturday. I really think Riley wants this one… he wants redemption and to save face. Game tape, play calling, Cav up in the booth, and change ups in the practices are doing things differently to get different results.

    My dad who turned 78 last week and is a serious OSU alumni will be there Saturday. He bleeds orange. Hope they win so our after the game phone call is a good one.

  • JD says:
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    Time for Riley to have his guys prepared to play.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/44145/oregon-state-looking-to-reverse-last-years-misfortune

    • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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      It’s interesting how it was a big surprise to people that Mannion beat out Katz. Clearly those people weren’t checking in to angrybeavs.com for the 6 months prior.

      • Jack says:
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        No, they were reading. That probably made them work on their denial that much harder.

    • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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      No shit it is time. Looking pathetic in Sept isnt going to cut it for much longer.

      That said, I think Riley sees this, and this wont be a lopsided loss.

  • Bow Down to Washington says:
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    Question. Why are there still thousands of tickets left for the ‘biggest non-conference game in OSU history” ?
    Weather to be perfect.
    No Holiday conflict.
    Top-20 team.
    Stadium only holds 45,000.

    Huskies drew 54,000 against lowly San Diego State on Labor Day weekend when families take their last vacation before school starts.

    OK bloggers, here is your chance to justify why beaver fans can’t perform. Lots of talk and not much pocketbook action?

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      Not sure why other fans are so concerned that our games sell out, but here’s a couple reasons IMO:

      1) Program has been stale for the last few years, and the team was flat-out bad last season.

      2) The casual/unaffiliated fans have all jumped on the Oregon bandwagon, whereas 8-10 years ago it was a bit closer to an even split, maybe 65-35 for Oregon. The Beavs rely mostly on alumni & students to attend, while at UW and Oregon I’d guess the percentage of attendees that are alumni are significantly lower than at OSU.

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        The tickets were not cheap, being at least $75 a piece. Not inexpensive for a casual fan. The Beavers are also on national TV this week.

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          SadBeav, I think your point about TV coverage is spot on. Some may not realize how many fans have a limited budget for tickets and save their money for games which aren’t on TV.

          Especially true in view of the $4K drop in family incomes and increase in gas prices over the last three or four years.

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            Gas prices are precisely where they were this time of year four years ago. Then the Sauds decided to flood the market with crude for about three months, cutting prices in half.

            As far as median incomes are concerned, they’re tied to the housing bubble. The ratio of housing prices to incomes bolted straight up for several years beginning with the complete deregulation of the financial sector. They have only recently fallen back into normal territory, so the market may finally have a chance to correct itself. Also, median home equities fell from ~$110k to ~$75k over that span.

            Those numbers you mention are not for the span from 2009 to now. They are from 2007 through 2010, with about 75% of that decline occurring from March of 2007 to March of 2009. The raw numbers show that incomes have risen since 2010 at a decent rate. I know there are cutesy charts out there that try to show this as a current cycle, but they need to be shifted two years to the left to be accurate. I wonder how some of these people who throw the graphs out there actually cite CPS data, yet there is no data on Census.gov which they can cite beyond 2010.

            I say it’s a government conspiracy designed to make the people creating these graphs and charts look like liars with their pants on fire.

            Yeah… that’s it.

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      Where did you hear that there were “thousands”? I read a couple days ago that there were about 1,500 left. Are you rounding up to make it plural?

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      How about Husky Stadium is in a major metropolitan area where Seattle is home to 600,000 + people, and more then 3.5 million people in the surrounding area. Whereas Corvallis is town home to 54,000 people, and at least an hour and a half away from the bulk of the fan base. Washington boasted a total enrollment of 42,000 students in 2011 compared to OSU’s 25,000 in 2011. Looking at the stats, a meager 54,000 in Husky stadium is borderline pathetic.

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        If you look at it in a purely statistical sense based on population within the surrounding area of the stadium (say a 30 mile radius) then they should outdraw us by at least 10 to 1 if not closer to 15 to 1. So the real question should be why didn’t the Huskies sell out their 67,000 seat NFL stadium??

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      dude…… you are trying hard to troll this site, and are doing a PATHETIC job of it.

      PLEASE….find someone in your fam with some brains, so we can at least be entertained.

  • ObjCritic says:
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    Playing against Poyer – nice to see a Beav not named Rodgers with sone notoriety:

    http://m.host.madison.com/sports/college/football/badgers-football-blog-critical-matchup-is-jared-abbrederis-against-beavers/article_805c9dfa-f7b4-11e1-be8d-001a4bcf887a.html

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    I heard they’re honoring the ’62 giant killers team this weekend. I can’t believe I’ve never taken the time to go see Terry Baker’s Heisman trophy… and I call myself a fan.

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      The Heisman is nice… first one west of Dallas/Norman.

      ’67 was the Giant Killers.

      That ’62 team made a lot of history. It was the first time they beat Nikegon in Corvallis since 1946. Baker had just under 5000 total yards, which was unheard of on that level. And the Beavs told the Sun Bowl to shove it due to Texas’ segregation laws concerning football.

      It was the last time (only time) a Heisman winner was named Sportsman of the Year by SI… in part due to the Beavs’ stance on the Sun Bowl (which made Don Haskins a better man than he wanted to be… and James Michener a liar of epic proportions… pun intended). Baker was such a hot name that the POTUS invited and sat next to him to watch the Navy-Army game (which Navy won… on the same field the Liberty Bowl would be played) and the AGOTUS personally presented the Heisman. Unknown talk show hosts named Sullivan and Carson gushed over him in live interviews. And about 30 million people tuned in to watch the last bowl game played in Chuck Taylors (I made that stat up). Baker’s 99 yard TD run is the only one of its kind in all of Bowl history. And that bowl was Rich Brooks’ last game. He never lost to the Ducks as a player.

      And then he went on to play in the Final Four.

      Not a bad year for OSU.

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        Got me sold. Terry Baker for president.

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          Got my vote. That’s some impressive shit.

          My Dad was in school at OSU and was at that Giant Killers game. Been hearing stories about it my whole life.

  • angry angry says:
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    Badger breakdown

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    What is a reliable source for the latest Beavers depth charts? The latest one I can find is from John Hunt 8/27/12
    http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2012/08/oregon_state_beavers_football_113.html

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    Caught a rapid fire replay of the Badgers game and noticed that Northern Iowa converted a 4th and 7 AND a 4th and 3. Surprised that there has been no discussion here on the topic of converting, not just third downs, but forth down as well.

    Even with Rley calling plays, would the Beavs have gone for it as did N Iowa? Doubtful, but maybe we’ll see the Beavs convert thirds and not face the decision to go or not on fourth. GO BEAVS

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      No way would Riley go for it on 4th typically (unless it was near the end of the game and no other option availed). Riles is a classic “field position” kind of guy; exactly the opposite of that high school coach who never punts, etc. That said, he is a bit of a gambleer in overtime situtations.

      My predictor: if Mannion clearly outplays the W qb we have a shot. The schemes are neutral factors and clearly Wisconsin has more talent. superior QB play is must for win this Saturday.

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      I agree with wannabeaver, Riley most likey won’t go with 4th down plays…..except to punt the ball back to the opponent. Riley also needs to (since he is calling the shots) do more surprise plays and passing plays on first downs. He usually does two running plays and the opponent is always ready for the 3rd down pass play. Let’s watch and see how many times Riley calls plays “up the middle” even though they shut the play down time after time.

      No one has mentioned penalties or turnovers. I believe these two negatives will be a big factor in the game.

      I went to the campus to scout around and pick up tickets. A lot of construction with main street in front of book store all torn up and looks like a lot less parking spaces available for non pay parking.

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        Fighting,

        Your thinking of Langsdorf play calling. Riley has not called the plays for several years. I think you will find that Riley mixes up the plays quite well(see pretty good success for the Beavers prior to 2010). The big question mark will be if we have a run game or not. That lands squarely on our young offensive line. Have fun at the game. GO BEAVS!

      • whatever says:
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        Mike Riley is no riverboat gambler, but when he has a decent offense, we go for it on 4th down at a decent clip. 2009 – 4th in the Pac-10. 2008, 4th in the Pac-10.

        As for his play calling, you’re way off. You’re thinking of the last 2 seasons when we sucked and had no offensive line. When we have a good team, Mike Riley’s offensive play calling is creative and has good to very good variety.

      • Jack says:
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        That main street in front of the bookstore is what we like to call “Jefferson.”

  • Beaver Byte says:
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    Dish is seriously close to officially agreeing to terms, but the Pac-12 office says they need everyone’s help to get this done ASAP so the Pac-12 Networks are on DISH! Once they have any Pac-12 Network then we can go to Pac-12.com and see every single football and basketball game of every Pac-12 team!

    If you have any chance at all please go to this link and contact Dish with the links provided and let them know you really, really want the Pac-12 Networks on DISH!!! Together we can hopefully get the Pac-12 Network officially added and available for viewing by this Saturday!!

    http://pac-12.com/portals/0/content/enterprises/dearfan/index.html

    • SadBeaver says:
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      I think this is just to put pressure on DIRECTV. Guess we will see, but I seriously doubt DISH gets on board before DTV, if ever.

      • Beaver Byte says:
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        Check my site. They had an official ad displayed earlier today which I have posted. Said Pac-12 Networks coming soon to the Mult-Sports package at $9 a month that includes NFL Redzone, MLB, NHL, etc. Appears we are taking the Big Ten Networks spot in that package and this is a great and smart package to have the Pac-12 Networks on. A deal is very, very close. I expect it to be done in under a week and hopefully in the next couple days.

        A final push by subscribers making sure they let Dish Network know how much they want Pac-12 Networks should get this deal finalized!

        Call DISH at 1-888-926-5457 🙂 (Tell them you need Pac-12 Networks on DISH!)

        • Numbers says:
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          And that you’ll sue for false advertisement if they don’t….

        • Bob says:
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          I called DISH. I’ve been with DISH for 14 years. I was told by a supervisor that they are still “negotiating” with the Pac-12 Networks but that is all she could tell me. She gave me no time frame nor indication that anything was imminent, but maybe she just didn’t know. I’m going to give it a bit more time, if nothing is resolved soon I intend to switch to Comcast.

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    Hey BN.. I may have come up with an idea to help with our thin offensive line problem. Do you remember Jarvez Hall? He is a former (2001) offensive lineman who was recently featured on TV having lost over 280 pounds.

    While Hall himself is 28 and too old to play, I’m thinking; that 280 pounds of surplus fat and skin just may have some eligibility left. Package it up, roll it onto the field and PRESTO!… instant offensive lineman, with the added benefit of never jumping offsides.

    I would put the name Tubagoo, pronounced Tub-a-goo in it’s jersey and call him Hugh Tubagoo in the game program.

    Now there may be a problem with getting Tubagoo admitted to school but two thoughts; 1.) It’s OSU not Harvard and 2.) It just might be easier than admitting Chad Johnson. Just a thought. JB

    PS: An additional benefit is; at the end of the year Tubagoo could be converted to biodiesel and used in some Athletic Department vehicles.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Tweet:
    Mike Riley ?@Coach_Riley

    We’re going to have a HUGE visitor ROLL into Reser tomorrow at Noon. Come check it out! #GoBeavs

    Anyone know who?

  • Kenny Beaver says:
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    Coach Rob at the DNC in row 2.
    Doin some recruitin I hope.

    Today at a Portland Fred Meyer a Direct TV rep tried to sell me a low cost plan. I asked if they had the Pac-12 network. He said no. I asked if he thought that DTV would get it, he said, ” not this week and maybe never”. He also said that I was not the first person today to ask for it.

  • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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    The Beavergopher Manifesto:

    This game has mucho significance for me. Wisconsin is the arch rival of the U of Minnesota. They are our Oregon. In a remarkable turn of misfortune, both of my alma maters arch rivals are riding
    a wave of unprecedented success. The turnaround started at almost the exact same time in the early 90’s. As we like to say around the Big 10, Wisconsin thinks football was invented in 1993. Since that time, they have been a good to very good program. Historically they have been a bad program.

    As a fan group, they are regarded as the most obnoxious in the B1G. Drunken loudmouths. Think of trashy folks who are suddenly rich because of a winning Lotto ticket. If you think, hey this sounds like the Ducks, you are spot on. They are poor winners. NO CLASS. Barry Alaverez was
    well liked. Brett B is despised. The game film thing is classic. He is a Dick!

    I pray that some how we ride a wave of magic and can silence their obnoxious traveling fans. If not here are some ways to irritate Badgers.

    1) Call them Fadgers
    2) Call their mascot………Becky (Have to admit, cool,Mascot)
    3) Ask how many National Championships they have won in football. Answer = 0
    Minnesota has won 6
    4) Ask if they know the their school song, On Wisconsin, was actually written for the the U of
    Minnesota. It was a losing entry in a competition for a school song. They have our reject.
    5) Mispronounce their coach’s name: Bulemia

    When this series was scheduled I was planning to come out for the game. Based on 08, 09. I thought we had a very good chance of beating them. Then the wheels fell off. Went to last years game. Actually a better outcome than what I expected. I have actually started to think we may have a chance in this game. Perhaps early onset dementia?

    There has been much upheaval in Madison since last season. Everyone knows that Paul Chryst
    left for the Pitt job. Some of the knobs in Wisc were happy to see him go? He was great as a OC and pretty much did as he wanted. There were three key coaches on the offensive side for them.
    Chryst, Bostad(o-line coach), and Joe Rudolph( up and comer and their best recruiter). When Chryst left, everyone expected that one of the other would go with him to Pitt and the other one would take over as the new OC to have a seamless transition and run the same scheme. So Badgerville almost imploded when both Bostad and Rudolph left with Chyst. They also lost their WR coach. Only holdover was their first year RB coach who used to coach at Minnesota. The upshot was that all the loyalty was to Chryst and not to Bulemia. In the midst of this, their Asst AD for football “resigned” when it was revealed that he groped a male subordinate at a Rose Bowl party. Hopefully this will all have a negative effect on their season.

    If we can get 100+ yards on the ground we have a chance. The weak spot on their D is their d ends and getting a pass rush, so I think we will be able to move it on them in the passing game. Need to use the TE’s to get their two very good LB’s off the line a bit. Need to get some stops early so our d-line does not get worn down. What really killed us last year were the throws to their TE’s on drag routes over the middle. A common theme I’ve seen in games against the Gophers.
    Sell out to stop the run and they nail you with play action. They have another very good TE this year.

    Sorry for the long rambling post. I hate the F’ing BADgers and long to give them some shit.
    I will be at TCF stadium on saturday with my retro Benny flag flying proudly with my M flag.
    DVR set.

    Go Beavs!

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      I’d be interested in your insights regarding their secondary. They lost a couple good starters, didn’t they? With just enough ground game to keep them honest I’m hoping Mannion can pick them apart.

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        That is our best match-up. Wheaton and Cooks should be able beat their guys. We have a big speed advantage there. All the talk last spring and during camp was that this would be the best D they have had since Bulemia took over. Did not look that way against UNI. Over the years they have had a string of very good DE’s that have made the league. They don’t seem to have the guy this year.
        They have a very good four man rotation at DT. Beau Allen will be a handful for young Issac.

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      Dude, your main purpose here seems to be for quick jokes and double entendre. It’s nice to see some good football talk out of ya. Kudos on the breakdown and analysis. Since it’ll be my first run in with Badgers this weekend (they really can’t be as bad as Ducks, can they?) I’ll probably gravitate more towards the “thanks for making it out, would you like a (shitty cause that’s probably all you drink) beer” rather then badgering them. The inside info is great though. If they do end up being as annoying as you say (and as they are on the boards) then it’ll be put to use. Go beaver gophers!

      • beavergopher beavergopher says:
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        That is my main purpose in life LOL. To answer your question, yes they are as bad as the Ducks.
        One other thing that happened during the summer was that their projected starting RG flunked out of school. Casey Dehn. They have been so good for so long that the assumption was that they would plug another guy in and not miss a beat. However, this is not the same coaching staff.

        They do have some great micro brews in Badgerland so go easy on them on that front.

        Go Beavs! Down with the skunks!

        PS. Going to a CE class this morning. Will see a UW grad. Will give a ration of shit about their impending beat-down in Baton Rouge.

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    Trio of recruits at the game:
    Safety – Pat Martin
    DT – Edwin Delva
    LB – D’vante Henry, former OSU commit

    All juco guys, I’d be stoked for all three, especially the d tackle. Hopefully Reser is rockin. Holding out hope that we can pull the upset. Mike Riley seems a lot more upbeat then he has Ian the past.

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      Henry has no other visits planned. Sounds like he could finally be a Beaver if his grades are in order. Seems Beavs have good shot with Martin, but getting some quality DT’s is absolutely crucial.

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    As a payback for trying to withhold game tape, can we withhold walk through access?

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      They should withhold prenatal care from Bulemia as payback. Dude has gotten so fat he looks
      like he will need a C section any hour.

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      Riley would never do it but I agree with this. Just like BB said, they gain no advantage by giving us film, we could touche them. Might seem silly but it might start a nice B1G vs Pac12 rivalry and get a little face time on ESPN.
      “Mr. Rogers-esque Mike Riley denies Big 10 champs walk through.”
      Do it!

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        It would just be a-hole to deny a walk-through, plus it would just amp them up that much more. Riley can touche Bielema by not stooping to his level and then sending them home with a loss.

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          Hey, bendbeav, is there ANY way to listen to Beavs radio network in Bend? Broadcasts always fade out at dusk, if not before, and it isn’t always workable to listen on the internet.
          Would have liked to hear Parker and Riley last night but……………..

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            I’ve listened to some hoops games the last couple seasons without any problems, just in town, not sure how it is outside of town. It comes in on the home stereo, the little crosley radio, and in my car. How’s your antenna? Have they changed anything recently with the station or the wattage?

        • Fightingbeaver says:
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          That sounds like a mature thing to do. Something the ducks would think of.

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        We could at least change their scheduled walk through slot on them once or twice. Anything to throw them out of sync and step. Make them go through some of the adversity we face on these long road trips. Traveling west is a lot easier on the body than time changes east. Be gentlemanly about it, kinda awe shucks- would it have been more helpful to not move your slot, golly gee. I want a fair game with good officiating. But we don’t have to make all the little things a cake walk. Like providing a poor estimate on travel time from hotel to stadium. Stuff like that. Make em sweat the details just a little. Say things like water is available for the walk through but we haven’t tested it’s quality in some time…. I can’t stand the jerk, but lane kiffin tries to deny walk throughs.

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          I travel quite a bit and I totally disagree that traveling west is easier than east. Waking up at 4 AM and not needing to be ready for 3 hours, sucks.

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            Yes, but for a football team all you have to do is keep your own time and schedule. Unless it’s a late kick-off, it’s just another game. Nicholls State at OSU would have been a 2:30 kick-off for the visitors and their routine. Arky State didn’t have a prayer with a 9:30 kick-off.

            When you travel east, a normal noon or so kick-off kills your west coast schedule and routine.

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            Exactly. Thats why we really need an AD, who understands these things and puts us in a positive position… I haven’t seen us get it right yet

          • Numbers says:
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            As a pilot, i see both the science and practice agree that it is substantially easier for the human to lengthen his day vs shorten it. It’s an eveloutionary function stemming from caveman days. If you believe in that sort of thing…

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            So easy, even a cave man can do it?

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    OT… Lavonda Wagner resurfaces as an ugly white man.
    http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/20052645/more-trouble-for-gillispie-as-allegations-of-mistreatment-surface

    Ties to OSU? Mitch Barnhart hired this dude at Kentucky before he spent three years dealing with this walking piece of poo. Some of you may remember that Gillespie tried to sue UK for breach of contract, but he had no contract. Thank goodness Barnhart saw the light and decided to go with an unimpeachable man in his next hire.

    Did anyone catch (the fake) Steve Spurrier’s comment about Kentucky football and hoops?
    “Kentucky football is a step ahead of Kentucky basketball on one thing. They vacate wins before the season ever starts.” –obviously from a blog, not TOBC

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    Hallice Cooke boarding a plane in Chicago:
    https://twitter.com/Hallywood_3/status/244111938940989440

    They’re coming. That’s about a four hour flight if I remember correctly. Imagine… in four hours everyone getting off that plane will get to do what we here have not done… see OSU’s new marketing campaign greeting them.

    If only USC would step up and join us on this venture. Then all would be right in the world.

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      If he commits, that wraps up our 2013 class, doesn’t it?

      Then Coach Rob looks for 2014 guys. I like that he would be a bit ahead of everyone else.

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        Wraps it up for the early period. You never know what kind of attrition may occur, so the spring could be another busy period. But that would mean players are leaving early because of an outstanding season most likely. So unsigned prospects will be ready to sign on under those conditions.

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          Good stuff, I like how it shakes out in 2013-2014:

          PG – Starks SR, Barton JR, Westbrook, FR
          SG – Nelson SR, Morris-Walker SO, COOKE???
          SF – Moreland JR, Robbins SO
          PF – Collier SR, Reid SO, Schaftenaar SO
          C – Gomis SO, N’Diaye FR

          Weak spot is down low, as Gomis still is only at 75%, and N’Diaye is a complete unknown. I’d love for Moreland to put on a little weight and start banging down low.

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    Beavs 28 Wisky 24

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    I’m taking the Utah State Aggies over the crappy uofu tonight.

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    OSU added OL David Keller to team today. He had signed with Fresno State back in February.

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      An outstanding pick-up on signing day, let alone now.

      This one came out of left field timing-wise. But I just got the back story. He apparently had cold feet on signing day, but he decided to stick with his commitment at that time. Closer to graduation the cold feet turned to ice, and he requested to be released from his NLI. CSU-Fresno denied him, and he was stuck to stew over his situation all summer. For the duration of the summer, he told everyone who would listen that he was going to become a Beav come hell or high water. He was just under the impression (from the coaches) that he needed to attend Fresno for a year before he could transfer since he signed his NLI.

      Then he was held up for two weeks before he could enter fall camp because of Clearinghouse issues. After that was finally cleared up, he was able to practice without pads until the required number of practices allowed him to suit up fully. But it was looking like the coaches were going to work him on the second team and get him looks with the ones. That was two weeks ago.

      The day before he was going to pad up, he met with academic counselors to get his schedule set and talk about what he wanted to achieve. They told him the truth about eligibility and NLIs and transfers and all that.

      After that meeting he was gone. He didn’t return calls from the Fresno coaches or talk to anyone. In his mind he had wasted too much time listening to them, and he was packed for Corvallis even if it meant he was going to have to just enroll and burn a year while just being a student.

      Maybe one day we’ll get the whole story and clarification. But it’s still a little weird he was made to attend somewhere he just didn’t want to go in the end. Fresno fans are pissed at him. I guess I can’t blame them.

      But I’ll take Keller with open arms.

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        How do the transfer rules work?

        Is the 1 year prohibition only against playing? Can you still practice with the team, attend offseason workouts, etc?

        Is it a full year, or just the (fall) football season?

        If nothing else, I’m assuming you could ask players to invite him to informal workouts/practices/etc in the meantime?

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          I’d have to look it up, but I think if you sign a NLI then go somewhere else you actually burn one year of eligibility. You keep your redshirt year intact, but you lose a year of eligibility.

          The other option would be to go through one season with the school you signed with then transfer. In that case, you’re down one year of eligibility and a redshirt year before you even play.

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            Ideal candidate for Partnership Program OS/LB. His resume was impressive last spring. There are Beaver freshman that signed letter of intent but will not actually play a down and will therefore redshirt. Why would his case not be the same? It would seem that he has burned his redshirt year.

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          He should be a 4×4 who can practice this year.

          • Beavergopher Beavergopher says:
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            Any relation to Helen?

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            He may be 5×4. Oregon State is appealing to the NCAA because Fresneck flat out lied to him about the rules and he tried to get out of that commitment back in May.

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            You remain a 5×4, you just can’t use your redshirt to sit out the first year unless you’re released from your NLI.

      • bendbeaver bendbeaver says:
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        That’s quite a detailed back story. Are you his dad?

        • Jack says:
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          Heard through the grapevine… only one side of the story… take it with some salt.

          • Jack says:
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            Heh heh… I didn’t even realize what I said about grapevine. The person who told me the story works at Gallo.

  • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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    Guess I know now what Riley was talking about in that tweet about something big coming today:

    Tweet:
    Mike Riley ?@Coach_Riley

    The Big Rig is here, thank you to everyone at May Trucking, Beaver Nation will be rolling in style! #GoBeavs http://pic.twitter.com/loEHTlFJ

    Nice truck! I hope it is full of 5 star recruits!

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      PS – Someone buy Riley a belt. He looks red neck.

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        Tweet: brent brennan ?@coachbrennan

        legendary wideout is in town for the game! so great to see @J_Rodgers18

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    The bad marketing continues… I would not let my wife wear this:

    http://www.osubeaversshop.com/gdosu41111216.html

    • Jack says:
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      Wouldn’t let? As in a “nobody’s gonna take this thing off my head” unsharing kind of way?

    • Fightingbeaver says:
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      That’s as bad as the pink “zero” color duck hat.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        What? A duck fan doesnt like duck gear? Man, yer gonna get excommunicated…..or fried …. or plucked?

  • bone says:
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    Man this has got to he the harshes one game suspension for the players who got suspended. Close to a month suspension.

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      How many players got suspended again?

      Sean Martin and Josh Williams? Anybody else?

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    OT: This may have already been discussed but Johnny Hekker is now the starting punting for the St Louis Rams, While I believe Hekker has always been a great practice kicker (reason is started at OSU) he has failed to live up to those expectation during live action.

    OVER/UNDER on number of game before Hekker is cut?? I’m thinking 4

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      I’ll take the under.

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      I’ll take the over. His problem is consistency. He can have an early flub, and coaches will chalk it up to rookie/whatever/just another P mistake. He can go a while before the second flub, at which time NFL players start ending up PUP and IR lists. Coaches can fill empty roster spots with a back-up P in order to push the starter or eventually replace him. A third flub would be the charm, and that would be well into the season if not near the end.

      If we never hear his name called, then he will probably survive a while.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    1,100 tickets left, man BDC, just one sellout! Dumb. Bring in some youth football teams or something. I think with better marketing this game would have soldout.

    • angry angry says:
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      Can’t even sell out what is being dubbed “the biggest non-con game in Corvallis history”??!

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        Our AD is failing everywhere we look.

      • bone says:
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        Well that number just decreased by 3. I got a few of my family members to buy some tickets.

        • Numbers says:
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          Nice! Should be a good time. Be loud.

          • bone says:
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            Just checked stubhub. Less than 300 tickets left, might be pretty close to a sellout.

      • Kollege says:
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        You may not know how ticketing works and you may want to blame OSU for this, as you do for everything, but here’s a free lesson.

        OSU gives an allotment of tickets to every visiting team for every one of our home games. The visiting team has a period of time to sell those tickets. When their alotted time has passed, those tickets are given back to OSU and released to the public. That period of time often ends very close to the date of the game, usually just 1-2 days before the game That’s what’s happened here. Wisconsin didn’t sell their allotment and the tickets have become available.

        It has nothing to do with OUR athletic department, but many who are ignorant will continue to bitch I’m sure.

        PS – I just checked and there are less than 50 tickets available from the OSU website. Whatever is on Stubhub or wherever is already sold and has nothing to do with the athletic department, it has to do with speculators buying tickets and attempting to sell them at the last minute for a relatively high price.

        This game will be a sellout and you have no clue what you’re talking about.

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Hey, I like to bitch! Its my gawdammed right as an ahole. But I also am not worried about us selling out any game after a 3-9 season. If it hadnt sold out, well, thats what you get when you dont perform……fan disinterest. Quality products will sell.

        • Jack says:
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          Why do I feel like some weak pollyanna on O-live who wanted to poke fun at the Ducks for not really having anything remotely resembling a sell-out streak were it not for creative accounting and ending up with a lecture about something we already know?

          It’s like the dude today in the grocery store who thought it was awesome that he just found a third dime this day. He thought it must have been fate. Trust me. I was just at a counter buying something, and he had walk up to ME and tell me the saga of his fate and the three found dimes.

          All I can say is… awesome!

          Did I say awesome already?

          Awesome!

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    Utah State reinforcing my crappy uofu statement! The Aggies defense really putting a bruising on utah. It’s fun to see their sacks using only 2 down D linemen. It’s an awesome way to stuff that offense. I hope Banker can learn something from this example. Also the USU offense is doing a great job of negating the ute DT Star. A pretty wild game USU 13 uofu 3 at half.

    • Numbers says:
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      UTAH STATE hey Aggies all the way!

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        Next week Utah State is at Wisconsin… Interesting measuring stick

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Damn….and I thought you were nuts picking the Aggies….

          Well, Beavs….YOU CAN DO IT!

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    Add 1 more PAC 12 team to the crappy list. Obviously we need to see what team shows up tomorrow, but more games are looking winnable with each passing week.

    • BeaverBill BeaverBill says:
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      Utah, wow. Didn’t call that.

    • Fightingbeaver says:
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      Wow, win against crappy teams. That will show everyone we are good. Another example of Beaver Nation high standards.

      • bone says:
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        I won’t be too picky with our wins. Wins are wins.

      • GoBeavs90 says:
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        Beavers just had a 3-9 season, I’ll take any win they can get.

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        You must be a Duck fan.

        You are complaining about and degrading OSU wins we havent even got yet…..

        Keeeriiist!!!! Give it a rest!

    • Max says:
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      Utah State is good. They were getting 7.5 points at home, just ridiculous. Utah QB got hurt in the first half.

  • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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    Lac12 no wonder directTv won’t get the poor product, bad television. Larry Scott might have to gi e refunds?

    Nobody’s Strength of Schedule was helped today. Would need a huge showing tomorrow to overcome.

    • Max says:
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      Overcome what? Are we in contention for the BCS title game?

      • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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        LOL … strength of schedule…. Yeah, we might get edged out for that NC game….

      • beaverkman beaverkman says:
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        Sorry about that, overcome the big east. I am an drunk, and have been drinking since 5 getting ready forthe tailgater tomorrow! Yeah right NC, I don’t care about sos, won’t effect us at all.
        Go Beavres!

        • Max says:
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          I’m gonna start drinking now too. Keep the buzz going until 1pm tomorrow. You never know, we are still undefeated!

        • rsteve503 rsteve503 says:
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          Hey, that is a decent excuse. Fightingduck has none…

          GO BEAVS!!

    • Numbers says:
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      Yep some upsets would certainly help. LSU, Nebraska, Okie St, Illinois, and Beavs winning would erase the crappyness that is WSU,Utah,and Colorado. None of which I’m confident in but hopeful for. Also go Fresno State.

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